to:surveyork9, God creates and kills as He chooses. It doesn't make Him "evil" to end a life that He created in the first place. The Bible was written by many men. The stories of Jesus by eyewitnesses of the events as they happened. The old Testament by many men throughout history. it is ignorant to say it was written to "invent a glorious past." It just shows you haven't done the research. Impossible to effectivley argue in 300 characters. email me, brentmcbain@gmail.com
@Cherubaby Ahem. In the Bible you'll find verses where God himself kills thousands of people. There are also verses where he orders his chosen people to kill others. So, yes, God _himself_ killed people and ordered to kill people. It's in the Bible. Read it.
@Cherubaby "So?" For starters, a god who kills even his own chosen people (the vast majority of whom didn't even commit crimes/sin), is not all-loving, nor just. Then, many of those he killed where _Jewish babies & children_. A god who does this is not a god worth worshiping, he's a devil, a monster. Listen, don't let religion interfere with your innate sense of justice, compassion & love. That's what religion does, blind people so they justify crimes. Best wishes & lots of love.
@Cherubaby Thanks for the love, but I disagree about the part where you say that god only kills what is evil. Remember that god killed thousands of Jewish babies and children. How could they be evil? According to the Bible, the word of god himself, god killed indiscriminately.
@surveyork9 So what? Ultimately GOD is GOD and since He created ALL things, He has the Right to do whatever He pleases with His Creation. Who are you to question the Creator of the Universe? Do you think an ant can comprehend the Universe? And yet GOD is greater than our finite Universe. He is infinite, and finite beings like ourselves can NEVER comprehend who He is and why He does what He does. It is merely speculation on our part.
Dear @Cherubaby we came back full circle to the old "God can kill whomever he pleases; we can't understand him; who are we to question his will?" One can only say that because some events in the Bible are so naturally repugnant to us, that the only justification for a just, loving god to do them is that we don't understand him. I wish you could get free from the chains of religious morality. PS: My god told me about your suffering in the past. He loves you & wants you to open your mind. Love.
@surveyork9 We know one thing for sure - Jesus Christ is the Son of GOD who came to show us who GOD really is - so if we truly want to understand the nature of GOD let us look at Jesus who is the mirror image of the Father. Remember however, that GOD is Just just as much as He is Love, and Love demands that Evil be punished. Every man will receive according to his works on the Day of Universal Judgement. No one will get away with anything, I promise you that. Let us Love as Jesus Loved us.
Dear @Cherubaby: Yes, let us love each other. However, injustices do occur. If we don't do justice in this world, there's no 2nd chance. I know this pains you, since you want punishment for that bad person who ruined your life. But I think it's better to face the facts than to seek comfort in ancient myth books. Open your mind. Free yourself from the chains of religion.
@surveyork9 If there is no "Universal Day of Judgement" then there is no Justice in the Universe and if I really believed that (which I don't) I would go out and KILL certain people because that would be the ONLY Justice they would ever receive. So I guess they are lucky I don't believe that, aren't they?
Dear @Cherubaby : Yes, they are lucky. That's one function of religion: to establish harsh, eternal punishments for crime so people with poor morals will abstain from killing, vengeance, etc. This world is not always just. Sometimes injustices happen. If you think the law hasn't punished someone who deserves it, you should think about options _within the law_ to have him punished or accept the situation (sad & unjust as it may be) and move on.
@surveyork9 NOT poor morals at all. The point is that if there is no GOD there is no purpose to anything. So you might as well be as selfish as possible and get all you can because there will be no consequences. That would be a very evil world indeed! Sometimes it's too late to bring people to Justice so I guess they got away with it ... I might as well be evil like them also and get away with it. Why not? No GOD = Nothing matters.
Dear @Cherubaby Not poor morals, but you could kill to get revenge if you didn't believe in god? Even without god, many things matter, morals do matter, helping people in need matters. Sometimes injustices happen. If it's not possible to bring the evil-doers to justice, one can fight to have the law changed, help others avoid becoming victims & keep moving forward. Breaking the law is unlikely to help. 2 wrongs seldom become 1 right.
@surveyork9 Without GOD, my reasons for killing would NOT matter one iota. If I kill for Justice, or revenge, or pleasure, what difference would it make? What difference would it make if 6 million starved to death or were killed in the Gas Chambers? Ultimately NONE because nothing serves any purpose and all things ultimately end in Death anyway. So Yes without GOD, there is NO purpose or value to anything.
@surveyork9 Sorry but Man's Morality is Corrupt because Man's Nature is Corrupt. We do NOT have an innate sense of what is right and wrong. For example: Pedophiles believe that "loving"children is good. Homosexuals believe that loving a woman is disgusting. Furriers in China believe that skinning an animal alive is good because animals have no value, apart from their Fur. Their pain is irrelevant. I could tell you more ... So much for Man's innate sense of Morality!
@Cherubaby Human's morality is corrupt according to your religion. Period. Regarding morality: "Morality is innate. Philosophy & reason improve it." Remember that part?
@surveyork9 I am sorry. I apologise. Yes Philosophy and Reason "can" improve it but not necessarily. The Nazis had lots of Philosophy and Reasons for Murdering those who did not agree with them.
@surveyork9 Quote: "You insists that without god there's no reason to behave well."
I'm saying it WOULDN"T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE if you were good or evil because ultimately there is no reward or punishment for being good or evil. Get it?
@Cherubaby I think I got it: If there's no punishment, if it doesn't make a difference if you are good or bad, then there's no reason to behave well. Or is there?
@surveyork9 That's right! You can behave well if you want to but ultimately it doesn't make any difference because all shall pass away, the Good with the Wicked, regardless of their deeds. That makes for a Universe without value, without purpose, and a very sad place indeed. Now contrast this with GOD's purpose ... do you know what that is?
@Cherubaby Well, see? I got it right all along! :) And then, we go back to what I've tried to explain in my previous comments: We must strive for justice in this world, because there's no afterlife. We must find purpose ourselves. God's purpose? I wouldn't trust someone who kills whoever he pleases. Would you? Oh, I know: Yes, of course you would.
@Cherubaby Well, I could be an Atheist, or a Maltheist, or a Deist, or someone who believes in a different god than yours --a god that doesn't kill whomever he pleases, perhaps. That's a god one can trust, not a mass-murderer god.
@surveyork9 You are indeed a man of mystery! The Old Testament does not provide us with a complete understanding of GOD. Jesus is the full Revelation of GOD. Why am I limited to 188 characters?
@Cherubaby Nowadays, we know enough about how the Bible was written, where it drew many of its stories from, etc. In short, the Bible was man-made, with no divine inspiration ever present. If there's a god, he's not the god of the Bible, or the Qur'an, or the Hindu gods. If god exists, he's not in these books. How are religions made? Look at Scientology.
It seems that your views & mine are irreconcilable. Can we at least agree that we both strive for good & abhor evil?
@surveyork9 Yes we both strive for good and abhor evil. I hope you find in life what you're looking for. As for myself, I am not strong enough to live without GOD. Matter of fact, if I didn't believe in GOD I would have ended my life a long time ago. Anyway, if there is anything I can help you with just let me know. Love, Peace, and Wisdom to You my good Friend!
@surveyork9 Where did GOD kill Jewish babies? GOD only kills what is EVIL and EVIL deserves to Die because it destroys everything that is Good. NOT to kill Evil would be Evil because it allows Evil to live and destroy what is Good. People forget that GOD is Just, just as much as He is Love. If GOD is unjust then WHO exactly is going to bring Justice to us?
@Cherubaby Jewish babies killed: Gen 7:23, Gen 19:25, Ex 32:35, Num 11:1, Num 11:33, Num 16:27, Num 16:49, Num 21:6, Num 25:9, Jos 7:24-26, 2Sam 12:15-18, 2Sam 24:15, 1Kg 14:17, 2Kg 2:23-24. God killed entire Jewish cities, tribes, families & some specific babies. He killed his own people. He killed many innocent adults & children. This God is not just. We have to strive for justice ourselves. At least, we know that killing babies is not right.
@surveyork9 Do you honestly believe the Skeptics Bible will give you the Truth? They make fun of things they do not understand, say there are contradictions when there are not, and haven't got a clue as to who GOD really is! If you want to study these topics then you are definitely getting your information from the wrong source.
@surveyork9 Yes GOD only kills what is Evil. In some cases He ordered the destruction of entire races because they were Evil and their children would have grown up to be Evil also. Have you heard of the Criminal Gene Theory? This is an area that Science is just beginning to explore, but the Bible has known and stated this for thousands of years - that some people are just born EVIL and spend their entire lifetime hurting others.
the fact that any supposedly educated person could think that slaughter of anyone at the whim of any god is perfectly Ok, only demonstrates an extremely sick mind.
@Darwinsman We see that when dealing with religion (Abrahamic ones, especially) everything can be justified because it's in the holy books or because it's a tradition. And if someone points out that, for instance, God killing people is, well, bad, immoral, etc. we get this rationalizations: it's in the holy book; how do you dare question god's will; etc. *sigh*
@surveyork9 You are so right. It is used to justify anything.
There's a quotation I like fron Steven Weinberg:
“Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.”
So many of you aren't LISTENING to what is being said. John Piper isn't being heartless. He is explaining, in part, the nature of God and our relationship to Him. You make dumb comments like, "well, i guess the 6 million Jews slaughtered were going to die anyway." If you listen to his longer answer, you will see his points are true and Bible based. God didn't have to make anyone, but He did out of love. This life is only our beginning. Not enough room to make a full argument. Be reasonable
@77maximus77 Who gives a flying fuck about what this douchebag has to say. If you ask another christian douchebag he'll come up with a different excuse... ask another and again a different excuse and so on. Why is the bible the truth? Be cause god wrote it. How do know god wrote it? Because the bible says so. Circular logic. Dosn't work.
@35Rumblefish One excuse I've heard from a friend of mine (she believes in God, but she's pro-choice, pro-gays, etc.) is that the slaughter and murder in the Old Testament are justified because those were violent times, mass killing and looting was the norm, so it's justified that God killed and ordered killings. Then, with the New Testament everything changed to "show your other cheek" instead of "an eye for an eye". And she's content with this rationalization of hers. O_o
@77maximus77 "his points are true and Bible based", anything based on the Bible is on shaky grounds. The Bible was written by men claiming divine inspiration and inventing a glorious past; adapting stories and concepts from nearby cultures (Sumer, Babylon, Egypt, Assyria...). If God made us out of love, that's nice. But when he kills thousands of people himself, where's his love? Oh, then we must accept it's part of "his plan". A mass-killing god isn't an all-loving god. He's evil.
So the only thing that petitionary prayer is supposed to change is the attitude of the petitioner rather than god's plan. This makes no sense. If a person petitions a deity to take action and the deity either does not act for change or does the exact opposite, how does this build trust?
As he says, your life is given by god, what is yours, you can take back. In any fashion you want. But know, Allah doesnt misjudge/miswrong any of his slaves. You will only get paid what you reach to, be it paradise, be it hellfire. Let s ask for the guidance of the giver of guidance, Allah.
This brother does not say anything wrong. Allah azze ve celle has full control, he is the one giving you your initial life, he is the one deciding your path and also give you some of the path to decide your acts (do you feel you are forced to something atm? No right). Then he will give you another life in the hereafter. As Allah says in surah 57:20 , this is life is just timewasting, the real deal is the race for the earning the forgiveness of Allah.
so, if someone prays for something to happen, which does nto coincide with god's will, and therefore, does not happen (pray to keep someone alive, but since it's not in the plan, they die anyway), how does this build trust? As for faith, that is a term which is synonymous with gullibiltiy.
How does it not build trust? If God has the ultimate authority over who lives and who dies, and choses not to save one's life at the request of another, then we STILL find solace in the fact that God did what was right, and that there was nothing more or less we could've done about it.
As for your correlation between faith annd gullibility - we're not in the fifth grade, so argue like an adult.
So theists can't claim absolute morality if it depends on God's mood. Only if theists understood that, wait, Satan isn't the bad guy. At least he's honest about it.
As far as I can tell this guy didn't say anything untrue. However I can see the way he strung his words together would upset the proud. He's not saying God LIKES taking life. That's an assumption. He's not saying what God does with those lives after wards. Atheists will assume it's all over. He also didn't say that God ordains the way anyone dies. He doesn't say what effect these variations of death have pro or con on their loved ones. We know too little.
While Piper is right in saying that God has the right to revoke his mercy on sinners who deserved to die from the day they sinned - Piper is being shortsighted.
The question focused on women and children. The idea is: "Okay, so the men were evil Baal worshiping child sacrificers, but surely the women and children were good at heart."
No, they weren't. God promised Abraham if he could find just ten righteous people, he'd even spare the gang rapists of Sodom. God knew their hearts.
I find it more and more epidemic with Cynics (theists and non-theists alike) that make it a point (to be) or (not to be) something (of what They espouse) based on the babbling rhetoric of vain Intellectuals whether IT BE science, religion, or politics!
The Theist Cynic John Piper IS NO MORE RADICAL than The NonTheist Cynic Bart Ehrman saying, "There's not a single scholar on the face of the Earth who buys any of it."
So... Obviously Piper is misrepresenting what Ehrman clearly didn't count on!
I want to see this fucked up in to a debate with Matt Dilahunty ... there he thinks he has a big cock because there is no atheist to stand up atheism opinion ... he make stuff up stupid immoral idiot ... !
I'm sorry for my ugly words but this guy is from out of space ... he is not human, he has no compassion, no ethics for him every death or any suffering is ok, because his god want that ... :((
I love when god decides to slaughter a 4 year old little girl, but first he decides to send a rapist/psycho who'll torture her and leave her to bleed slowly in terrible pain for hours.........what a guy!! what a great guy!!!............but hey ; HE WANTS IT THAT WAY....I mean he moves in strange and misterious ways right??.........fucking asshole justifying genocide and infanticide in the name of his god..no wonder I despise religion and mindless assholes like this piece of shit!!!
Interesting... I like how he doesn't work his way around the question. His answer is perfectly biblical, but it's unfortunate that this relatively good person lets a religious text replace his moral guidelines.
Yet this is the same kind of asshole who would insist that non-believers have no basis for morality, and that only through his god can people find a source for objective morality. A god who can do 'anything it wants, any time it wants'.
It's funny how you never see a person get shot through the heart and then have their heart keep beating....seems that when "God decides when your last heart beat will be" coincides perfectly with the bullet penetration of the heart =P
God owns your arse so he do what he wants with it. a great entity to worship don' t you thing! (irony in case someone mist it) why could any one with a sane mind worship that???? :-(
@Godshoulddie There is no point of prayer. Well, for some people it has benefits similar to those of meditation and what is also called 'positive projection' or something. There are numerous studies done on the purported benefits of such exercises, I am not really an authority on it.
What a poisoned mind. I actually feel kind of sorry for him. I think it's so sad that a huge amount of people believe that "born in sin" crap. Why did god just make us perfect instead of having to grovel and beg forgiveness for being how he supposedly made us.
And yet if someone he loved got murdered, he'd be out for their blood. He'd put it down to human mischief - not divine intervention, and he''d want their death in revenge for their killing his loved one.
@Blogrich55 I've been subscribed to your channel for a while now and have read many of your comments. I've always considered you one of the mildest people on YT, with never a bad word towards anyone. So I was very surprised when I read you couldn't stomach John Piper. Why not ?!
This dispicable sap needs to be "taken by god" today in a very violent, painful car fire on his way to church to worship the evil sob. ( but god doesn't exist so unfortunately, will have to wait for random chance )
Parents do owe children something after they literaly have given them life, food care safety name it. God doesn't look like any parent I would consider worthy of respect.
Also, aren't bullets shot by people who have free will? How does god govern that.
@hoodmilk You're obvioulsy the one who is wrong. God does whatever He wants, and owes you nothing. In fact, you are always deserving of death and hell. By His grace, you are still alive. Now make something of that life.
So if God makes the decision of when people die does that mean there are no true murderers in the world? If that's the case then we can save ourselves a lot of money by closing down the prisons and letting loose all the murderers, after all they were just gods instrument in ending the life of someone. Also we should stop chasing al quaeda as it wasn't their fault and reconsider hitlers final solution in the light of this new 'fact' that god decided personally that it was the victims time
so by his suicide bomber argument at 1:02 ,9/11 and hundreds of other terror attacks are actually his god's will////,,,,,,........what a prick !!!!!!!! both him and his god
Is it not cool to add a video response that I made years ago? That's pretty much my comment. If his "God" is as Piper's described, then "I'm better than your god". Sheesh. What an asshole Christians think god is. What if there is a god and when Christians stand before him he goes, "What the hell were you believing about me? You thought I was a jerk!"
Madness - but this is the inevitable point where christian thinking leads if you truly believe the whole bible. At least he's honest about it which is more than can be said of moderate cherry-pickers.
I find it strange and remarkable that anyone could consider this particular god a moral arbiter when this description of god is of an utterly amoral entity. ??
If all live or die specifically by the will of their god how come it is so easy to estimate life expectancy based on age, income, location, and life style? No individual's will is apparent there.
@Nederdien I said "amoral", not immoral, there is a difference. So God constantly breaks his own rules, is always right but changes his mind about things, does things that are reprehensible by any standard, but it's all OK because he is god. What submissive garbage.
Your god has a narcissistic personality disorder similar to that of Attila the Hun.
You have no room to talk about morality. The god of the bible and the Koran is a reflection of the ugliest part of humanity.
He misses the point. Even if one assumes a "god" and that ultimately people only live and die because of god's will, the point is that he makes a moral example of himself to human beings by ORDERING the murder of men, women and yes children. So what this man needs to explain is why god offers up the example of murder, as a moral guidance to his followers.
My sister died when the DOCTOR shut off the breathing machine she was on. Seems like her doctor had more to say about the moment of death than the god invented by the ancient Hebrews did.
There is this sermon in which John Piper goes on about how God delights in hate. It's rather scary, it should be in youtube somewhere, I believe. And if anyone wonders if this video is at all out of context (it seems obvious that it is not), Piper has stated equally horrid things on many an occasion. He's right there with Paul Washer who has said that his little daughter as a baby reminded him that human beings are prone to the sin of coveting. I am not even making this up
So please tell me that John Piper never goes to a doctor or takes medication because after all whatever happens is God's will, right? You wouldn't want to mess with God's will with all that human intervention.
No person can even be considered a thinking person if they have the same mindset as John Piper. Speaking of Piper's words that "we are all sinners", quoting from Atlas Shrugged: "To punish him (man) for a crime committed before he was born is a mockery of justice." And that, dear friends, is why "original sin" is an insane idea from the get go.
Yes,it is right for God to slaughter women and children, God is always right no matter what He does. God has ALL rights over ANYTHING in HIS CREATION, to do with it what He will.
Do you not have power over the things you make or build?
God has even more rights over His creation b/c there is NO one He must answer to.
@1689Baptist Do you realize how idiotic that sounds to rational beings? god is a sadistic bastard then... that is what you are saying. Too bad he has no control over that pesky devil... him being omnipotent and all. Bullshit of the lowest degree!
@1689Baptist and in the real world, you think biblically and thus known not to be rational. As a result all your conclusions, colored by your superstition, are suspect.
@1689Baptist It is a non argument when you use quotes from a man made book written by illiterate wandering herdsmen in Egypt 2000 years ago. A book that I do not recognize.
@1689Baptist My point exactly... you were in no way stating facts and you seem unaware of this. I was merely pointing this out. Convincing you was not required.
@1689Baptist Problem is lots of that slaughtering of women and children wasn't done by "God" but by a barbaric tribe who thought it was the will of "God." What if "God" tells someone to slaughter you? Are you down with that?
@ozmoroid It is ALWAYS wrong to murder b/c God has given the command "Thou shalt not murder", what God has decreed is His business, and God has decreed all things that come to pass, including the comments you are posting on this page.
@ozmoroid No, b/c they Got direct commands from God to do it. No one today is getting those commands b/c the Bible is complete, the Bible is God word today.
@1689Baptist No, you're wrong. There's a guy down the street who is still talking to "God." "God" is telling him to commit genocide too, just like in the Old Testament. You see, "God" has decided to do more of that kinda thing. Who are you to tell "Him" otherwise? I guess you weren't in on the revelation.
@1689Baptist You clearly misunderstand the Bible because "God" is not talking to you. "He" talks to the guy down the street and on the authority of those voices you are wrong. Also on the authority of the Jewish scriptures, as properly understood by Jewish scholars, Christianity is wrong and the so-called "New Testament" is bogus.
@1689Baptist - If gawd decreed everything and knows everything that will happen, then why send people to hell? You're just full of oxymorons, aren't you?
@LeksServices Responsibility is not established by free will, but by knowledge, man knows what he is doing, he knows when he does wrong, yet he loves and wants to do what he does, man always does what he most wants to do at the moment of a decision.
Also responsibility requires a being able to hold them responsible.
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to:surveyork9, God creates and kills as He chooses. It doesn't make Him "evil" to end a life that He created in the first place. The Bible was written by many men. The stories of Jesus by eyewitnesses of the events as they happened. The old Testament by many men throughout history. it is ignorant to say it was written to "invent a glorious past." It just shows you haven't done the research. Impossible to effectivley argue in 300 characters. email me, brentmcbain@gmail.com
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Cherubaby 1 month ago
@Cherubaby Ahem. In the Bible you'll find verses where God himself kills thousands of people. There are also verses where he orders his chosen people to kill others. So, yes, God _himself_ killed people and ordered to kill people. It's in the Bible. Read it.
surveyork9 3 weeks ago
@surveyork9 OK so GOD killed people. So? You don't believe that some people deserve to be killed? I can think of a few ...
Cherubaby 3 weeks ago
@Cherubaby "So?" For starters, a god who kills even his own chosen people (the vast majority of whom didn't even commit crimes/sin), is not all-loving, nor just. Then, many of those he killed where _Jewish babies & children_. A god who does this is not a god worth worshiping, he's a devil, a monster. Listen, don't let religion interfere with your innate sense of justice, compassion & love. That's what religion does, blind people so they justify crimes. Best wishes & lots of love.
surveyork9 3 weeks ago
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Cherubaby 3 weeks ago
@Cherubaby Thanks for the love, but I disagree about the part where you say that god only kills what is evil. Remember that god killed thousands of Jewish babies and children. How could they be evil? According to the Bible, the word of god himself, god killed indiscriminately.
Love and peace.
surveyork9 3 weeks ago
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Cherubaby 3 weeks ago
@surveyork9 So what? Ultimately GOD is GOD and since He created ALL things, He has the Right to do whatever He pleases with His Creation. Who are you to question the Creator of the Universe? Do you think an ant can comprehend the Universe? And yet GOD is greater than our finite Universe. He is infinite, and finite beings like ourselves can NEVER comprehend who He is and why He does what He does. It is merely speculation on our part.
Cherubaby 2 weeks ago
Dear @Cherubaby we came back full circle to the old "God can kill whomever he pleases; we can't understand him; who are we to question his will?" One can only say that because some events in the Bible are so naturally repugnant to us, that the only justification for a just, loving god to do them is that we don't understand him. I wish you could get free from the chains of religious morality. PS: My god told me about your suffering in the past. He loves you & wants you to open your mind. Love.
surveyork9 2 weeks ago
@surveyork9 We know one thing for sure - Jesus Christ is the Son of GOD who came to show us who GOD really is - so if we truly want to understand the nature of GOD let us look at Jesus who is the mirror image of the Father. Remember however, that GOD is Just just as much as He is Love, and Love demands that Evil be punished. Every man will receive according to his works on the Day of Universal Judgement. No one will get away with anything, I promise you that. Let us Love as Jesus Loved us.
Cherubaby 2 weeks ago
Dear @Cherubaby: Yes, let us love each other. However, injustices do occur. If we don't do justice in this world, there's no 2nd chance. I know this pains you, since you want punishment for that bad person who ruined your life. But I think it's better to face the facts than to seek comfort in ancient myth books. Open your mind. Free yourself from the chains of religion.
Lots of love and peace.
surveyork9 2 weeks ago
@surveyork9 If there is no "Universal Day of Judgement" then there is no Justice in the Universe and if I really believed that (which I don't) I would go out and KILL certain people because that would be the ONLY Justice they would ever receive. So I guess they are lucky I don't believe that, aren't they?
Cherubaby 2 weeks ago
Dear @Cherubaby : Yes, they are lucky. That's one function of religion: to establish harsh, eternal punishments for crime so people with poor morals will abstain from killing, vengeance, etc. This world is not always just. Sometimes injustices happen. If you think the law hasn't punished someone who deserves it, you should think about options _within the law_ to have him punished or accept the situation (sad & unjust as it may be) and move on.
Open your heart & mind.
Love.
surveyork9 2 weeks ago
@surveyork9 NOT poor morals at all. The point is that if there is no GOD there is no purpose to anything. So you might as well be as selfish as possible and get all you can because there will be no consequences. That would be a very evil world indeed! Sometimes it's too late to bring people to Justice so I guess they got away with it ... I might as well be evil like them also and get away with it. Why not? No GOD = Nothing matters.
Cherubaby 2 weeks ago
Dear @Cherubaby Not poor morals, but you could kill to get revenge if you didn't believe in god? Even without god, many things matter, morals do matter, helping people in need matters. Sometimes injustices happen. If it's not possible to bring the evil-doers to justice, one can fight to have the law changed, help others avoid becoming victims & keep moving forward. Breaking the law is unlikely to help. 2 wrongs seldom become 1 right.
Don't give up. Open your heart.
Love & peace.
surveyork9 2 weeks ago
@surveyork9 Without GOD, my reasons for killing would NOT matter one iota. If I kill for Justice, or revenge, or pleasure, what difference would it make? What difference would it make if 6 million starved to death or were killed in the Gas Chambers? Ultimately NONE because nothing serves any purpose and all things ultimately end in Death anyway. So Yes without GOD, there is NO purpose or value to anything.
Cherubaby 2 weeks ago
@Cherubaby You insists that without god there's no reason to behave well. That's not the case. Morality is innate. Philosophy & reason improve it.
We ourselves must find a purpose in our lives. Knowing that death is the end, makes our lives much more precious.
Peace and love.
surveyork9 2 weeks ago
@surveyork9 Sorry but Man's Morality is Corrupt because Man's Nature is Corrupt. We do NOT have an innate sense of what is right and wrong. For example: Pedophiles believe that "loving"children is good. Homosexuals believe that loving a woman is disgusting. Furriers in China believe that skinning an animal alive is good because animals have no value, apart from their Fur. Their pain is irrelevant. I could tell you more ... So much for Man's innate sense of Morality!
Cherubaby 2 weeks ago
@Cherubaby Human's morality is corrupt according to your religion. Period. Regarding morality: "Morality is innate. Philosophy & reason improve it." Remember that part?
surveyork9 2 weeks ago
@surveyork9 How do Philosophy and Reason prove it? Please explain.
Cherubaby 2 weeks ago
@Cherubaby "Morality is innate. Philosophy & reason *improve* it." I'm starting to suspect that you don't read my comments carefully.
surveyork9 2 weeks ago
@surveyork9 I am sorry. I apologise. Yes Philosophy and Reason "can" improve it but not necessarily. The Nazis had lots of Philosophy and Reasons for Murdering those who did not agree with them.
Cherubaby 2 weeks ago
@surveyork9 Quote: "You insists that without god there's no reason to behave well."
I'm saying it WOULDN"T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE if you were good or evil because ultimately there is no reward or punishment for being good or evil. Get it?
Cherubaby 2 weeks ago
@Cherubaby I think I got it: If there's no punishment, if it doesn't make a difference if you are good or bad, then there's no reason to behave well. Or is there?
surveyork9 2 weeks ago
@surveyork9 That's right! You can behave well if you want to but ultimately it doesn't make any difference because all shall pass away, the Good with the Wicked, regardless of their deeds. That makes for a Universe without value, without purpose, and a very sad place indeed. Now contrast this with GOD's purpose ... do you know what that is?
Cherubaby 2 weeks ago
@Cherubaby Well, see? I got it right all along! :) And then, we go back to what I've tried to explain in my previous comments: We must strive for justice in this world, because there's no afterlife. We must find purpose ourselves. God's purpose? I wouldn't trust someone who kills whoever he pleases. Would you? Oh, I know: Yes, of course you would.
surveyork9 2 weeks ago
@surveyork9 So may I assume you are an Atheist then?
Cherubaby 2 weeks ago
@Cherubaby Well, I could be an Atheist, or a Maltheist, or a Deist, or someone who believes in a different god than yours --a god that doesn't kill whomever he pleases, perhaps. That's a god one can trust, not a mass-murderer god.
surveyork9 2 weeks ago
@surveyork9 You are indeed a man of mystery! The Old Testament does not provide us with a complete understanding of GOD. Jesus is the full Revelation of GOD. Why am I limited to 188 characters?
Cherubaby 2 weeks ago
@Cherubaby Nowadays, we know enough about how the Bible was written, where it drew many of its stories from, etc. In short, the Bible was man-made, with no divine inspiration ever present. If there's a god, he's not the god of the Bible, or the Qur'an, or the Hindu gods. If god exists, he's not in these books. How are religions made? Look at Scientology.
It seems that your views & mine are irreconcilable. Can we at least agree that we both strive for good & abhor evil?
Love & peace
surveyork9 2 weeks ago
@surveyork9 Yes we both strive for good and abhor evil. I hope you find in life what you're looking for. As for myself, I am not strong enough to live without GOD. Matter of fact, if I didn't believe in GOD I would have ended my life a long time ago. Anyway, if there is anything I can help you with just let me know. Love, Peace, and Wisdom to You my good Friend!
Cherubaby 2 weeks ago
@surveyork9 Where did GOD kill Jewish babies? GOD only kills what is EVIL and EVIL deserves to Die because it destroys everything that is Good. NOT to kill Evil would be Evil because it allows Evil to live and destroy what is Good. People forget that GOD is Just, just as much as He is Love. If GOD is unjust then WHO exactly is going to bring Justice to us?
Cherubaby 3 weeks ago
@Cherubaby Jewish babies killed: Gen 7:23, Gen 19:25, Ex 32:35, Num 11:1, Num 11:33, Num 16:27, Num 16:49, Num 21:6, Num 25:9, Jos 7:24-26, 2Sam 12:15-18, 2Sam 24:15, 1Kg 14:17, 2Kg 2:23-24. God killed entire Jewish cities, tribes, families & some specific babies. He killed his own people. He killed many innocent adults & children. This God is not just. We have to strive for justice ourselves. At least, we know that killing babies is not right.
Love & peace.
surveyork9 3 weeks ago
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Cherubaby 3 weeks ago
@surveyork9 Do you honestly believe the Skeptics Bible will give you the Truth? They make fun of things they do not understand, say there are contradictions when there are not, and haven't got a clue as to who GOD really is! If you want to study these topics then you are definitely getting your information from the wrong source.
Cherubaby 2 weeks ago
@surveyork9 Yes GOD only kills what is Evil. In some cases He ordered the destruction of entire races because they were Evil and their children would have grown up to be Evil also. Have you heard of the Criminal Gene Theory? This is an area that Science is just beginning to explore, but the Bible has known and stated this for thousands of years - that some people are just born EVIL and spend their entire lifetime hurting others.
Cherubaby 2 weeks ago
the fact that any supposedly educated person could think that slaughter of anyone at the whim of any god is perfectly Ok, only demonstrates an extremely sick mind.
Darwinsman 5 months ago 2
@Darwinsman We see that when dealing with religion (Abrahamic ones, especially) everything can be justified because it's in the holy books or because it's a tradition. And if someone points out that, for instance, God killing people is, well, bad, immoral, etc. we get this rationalizations: it's in the holy book; how do you dare question god's will; etc. *sigh*
surveyork9 3 weeks ago
@surveyork9 You are so right. It is used to justify anything.
There's a quotation I like fron Steven Weinberg:
“Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.”
Darwinsman 3 weeks ago
So many of you aren't LISTENING to what is being said. John Piper isn't being heartless. He is explaining, in part, the nature of God and our relationship to Him. You make dumb comments like, "well, i guess the 6 million Jews slaughtered were going to die anyway." If you listen to his longer answer, you will see his points are true and Bible based. God didn't have to make anyone, but He did out of love. This life is only our beginning. Not enough room to make a full argument. Be reasonable
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@77maximus77 Quote: "you will see his points are true and Bible based."
True and Bible based?
That surely is an Oxymoron.
Darwinsman 3 months ago
@77maximus77 Who gives a flying fuck about what this douchebag has to say. If you ask another christian douchebag he'll come up with a different excuse... ask another and again a different excuse and so on. Why is the bible the truth? Be cause god wrote it. How do know god wrote it? Because the bible says so. Circular logic. Dosn't work.
35Rumblefish 1 month ago
@35Rumblefish One excuse I've heard from a friend of mine (she believes in God, but she's pro-choice, pro-gays, etc.) is that the slaughter and murder in the Old Testament are justified because those were violent times, mass killing and looting was the norm, so it's justified that God killed and ordered killings. Then, with the New Testament everything changed to "show your other cheek" instead of "an eye for an eye". And she's content with this rationalization of hers. O_o
surveyork9 3 weeks ago
@surveyork9 Well if you're gonna be a chirstian you gotta ratonalize it somehow.
35Rumblefish 3 weeks ago
@77maximus77 "his points are true and Bible based", anything based on the Bible is on shaky grounds. The Bible was written by men claiming divine inspiration and inventing a glorious past; adapting stories and concepts from nearby cultures (Sumer, Babylon, Egypt, Assyria...). If God made us out of love, that's nice. But when he kills thousands of people himself, where's his love? Oh, then we must accept it's part of "his plan". A mass-killing god isn't an all-loving god. He's evil.
surveyork9 3 weeks ago
''it's right for god to slaughter women and children anytime he pleases''
After this i just had to pause this video. I see no point in watching the rest of this clip.
Moh5Itachi1 6 months ago 2
@aveyowyns
So the only thing that petitionary prayer is supposed to change is the attitude of the petitioner rather than god's plan. This makes no sense. If a person petitions a deity to take action and the deity either does not act for change or does the exact opposite, how does this build trust?
klangsteiner 8 months ago
This sounds scarily like a victim of abuse.
Blarghonius 9 months ago
As he says, your life is given by god, what is yours, you can take back. In any fashion you want. But know, Allah doesnt misjudge/miswrong any of his slaves. You will only get paid what you reach to, be it paradise, be it hellfire. Let s ask for the guidance of the giver of guidance, Allah.
Cimbom1990GS 9 months ago
This brother does not say anything wrong. Allah azze ve celle has full control, he is the one giving you your initial life, he is the one deciding your path and also give you some of the path to decide your acts (do you feel you are forced to something atm? No right). Then he will give you another life in the hereafter. As Allah says in surah 57:20 , this is life is just timewasting, the real deal is the race for the earning the forgiveness of Allah.
Cimbom1990GS 9 months ago
If everything that happens is god's will, what is the point of petitionary prayer?
klangsteiner 1 year ago
@klangsteiner
faith (trust) building
aveyowyns 11 months ago
@aveyowyns
so, if someone prays for something to happen, which does nto coincide with god's will, and therefore, does not happen (pray to keep someone alive, but since it's not in the plan, they die anyway), how does this build trust? As for faith, that is a term which is synonymous with gullibiltiy.
klangsteiner 11 months ago
@klangsteiner
How does it not build trust? If God has the ultimate authority over who lives and who dies, and choses not to save one's life at the request of another, then we STILL find solace in the fact that God did what was right, and that there was nothing more or less we could've done about it.
As for your correlation between faith annd gullibility - we're not in the fifth grade, so argue like an adult.
aveyowyns 11 months ago
god doesn't sound like a nice character.
Requiemxtoxinnocence 1 year ago
So theists can't claim absolute morality if it depends on God's mood. Only if theists understood that, wait, Satan isn't the bad guy. At least he's honest about it.
SQuiRR3LM0nk3y 1 year ago
All the abortions happen because of God!
TGGeko 1 year ago
Don`t they have straitjackets in us ? I think that guy should be dressed up in one of those immediately.
aurora123borealis 1 year ago
As far as I can tell this guy didn't say anything untrue. However I can see the way he strung his words together would upset the proud. He's not saying God LIKES taking life. That's an assumption. He's not saying what God does with those lives after wards. Atheists will assume it's all over. He also didn't say that God ordains the way anyone dies. He doesn't say what effect these variations of death have pro or con on their loved ones. We know too little.
0utworlder 1 year ago
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basass101 1 year ago
This man disgusts me
"We deserve to die yesterday" next time he starts this speech someone offer him a bottle of bleach to drink please
TheNorthernPariah 1 year ago
While Piper is right in saying that God has the right to revoke his mercy on sinners who deserved to die from the day they sinned - Piper is being shortsighted.
The question focused on women and children. The idea is: "Okay, so the men were evil Baal worshiping child sacrificers, but surely the women and children were good at heart."
No, they weren't. God promised Abraham if he could find just ten righteous people, he'd even spare the gang rapists of Sodom. God knew their hearts.
highwind8124 1 year ago
This guy is obviously a Calvinist.
LordMalice6d9 1 year ago
I find it more and more epidemic with Cynics (theists and non-theists alike) that make it a point (to be) or (not to be) something (of what They espouse) based on the babbling rhetoric of vain Intellectuals whether IT BE science, religion, or politics!
The Theist Cynic John Piper IS NO MORE RADICAL than The NonTheist Cynic Bart Ehrman saying, "There's not a single scholar on the face of the Earth who buys any of it."
So... Obviously Piper is misrepresenting what Ehrman clearly didn't count on!
Christianizers 1 year ago
Divine Sadism - Why don't Calvinists just admit they believe God is Evil?
trident343 1 year ago 5
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I want to see this fucked up in to a debate with Matt Dilahunty ... there he thinks he has a big cock because there is no atheist to stand up atheism opinion ... he make stuff up stupid immoral idiot ... !
I'm sorry for my ugly words but this guy is from out of space ... he is not human, he has no compassion, no ethics for him every death or any suffering is ok, because his god want that ... :((
eminescinescu 1 year ago
"...any time he pleases..." Oh, you can keep your nasty god, you old goat! I'm so glad I don't believe this baloney.
Donnatella624 1 year ago
How disgusting and pathetic.
EPRVa62 1 year ago
I love when god decides to slaughter a 4 year old little girl, but first he decides to send a rapist/psycho who'll torture her and leave her to bleed slowly in terrible pain for hours.........what a guy!! what a great guy!!!............but hey ; HE WANTS IT THAT WAY....I mean he moves in strange and misterious ways right??.........fucking asshole justifying genocide and infanticide in the name of his god..no wonder I despise religion and mindless assholes like this piece of shit!!!
recordingbean 1 year ago 2
Interesting... I like how he doesn't work his way around the question. His answer is perfectly biblical, but it's unfortunate that this relatively good person lets a religious text replace his moral guidelines.
TheAntiHero99 1 year ago
I pity this mans child...
Shigren 1 year ago
What a lovely fellow and what a pleasant being he worships.
Teloculos 1 year ago
Yet this is the same kind of asshole who would insist that non-believers have no basis for morality, and that only through his god can people find a source for objective morality. A god who can do 'anything it wants, any time it wants'.
Pathetic.
Intiom 1 year ago
So God Killed Jesus... and Jesus IS God?
Chibling 1 year ago
"And Mr. Piper, what about the holocaust?"
"Well, those 6 million people were going to die anyway...."
TomMSTie 1 year ago 7
if god was going to kill a baby at 2 weeks. Why the Fu*k did he create the baby in the first place?
foxfiremozilla 1 year ago
this HAS to be a parody. facepalm.
soundscapenyc 1 year ago
It's funny how you never see a person get shot through the heart and then have their heart keep beating....seems that when "God decides when your last heart beat will be" coincides perfectly with the bullet penetration of the heart =P
JUMPINGJIMBRUNZEL 1 year ago
*cuckoo cuckoo cuckoo*
colonelkentucky81 1 year ago
Good god!
wearealltubes 1 year ago
God owns your arse so he do what he wants with it. a great entity to worship don' t you thing! (irony in case someone mist it) why could any one with a sane mind worship that???? :-(
PingeMusic 1 year ago 2
Piper is a god damned psycho.
bodeezy 1 year ago
and what about men?
lnmylife 1 year ago
brainwashed adults....scary
bradreed 1 year ago
with a God like that who needs a devil?
ModernDeism 1 year ago
Wow. I'm speechless. It's like I don't know where to begin. People who think like this are fucking crazy.
raby760 1 year ago
Couldn't an all powerful, all loving God kill us in a peaceful and painless way?
123Atheist 1 year ago
@123Atheist
Of course he could. That IS what an ALL LOVING diety would do, after all, wouldn't he?
Godshoulddie 1 year ago
@123Atheist Who said God is all loving?
1689Baptist 1 year ago
With age comes reason... but with this dude... with age comes bat shit crazy justifications of bad events like death.
dude12nothin 1 year ago
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Thankyou god for letting me watch this video and confirm what a hypocritical bastard you are. See you in Hell.
pilgrimpater 1 year ago
John Piper is inhuman and so is anybody who agrees with him. You cannot be human and justify the suffering of women and children.
gir908922 1 year ago
With a friend like gawd, who needs enemies ;-)
detersgumig 1 year ago 2
God is God. He can damn well kill anyone any time he damn well chooses to.
CMO999 1 year ago
@CMO999
So, why bother with prayer then? God will do what god wants to do and will or won't do what he wants to do regardless of your wishes, right?
Godshoulddie 1 year ago 2
@Godshoulddie That's right.
CMO999 1 year ago
@CMO999
So, again, I ask what is the point of prayer?
Godshoulddie 1 year ago
@Godshoulddie There is no point of prayer. Well, for some people it has benefits similar to those of meditation and what is also called 'positive projection' or something. There are numerous studies done on the purported benefits of such exercises, I am not really an authority on it.
CMO999 1 year ago
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CMO999 1 year ago
With this logic...i could kill who i wanted and say exactly what this ass is saying.
graygryph 1 year ago
Sorry. Why didn't god just ...
krunk1980 1 year ago
What a poisoned mind. I actually feel kind of sorry for him. I think it's so sad that a huge amount of people believe that "born in sin" crap. Why did god just make us perfect instead of having to grovel and beg forgiveness for being how he supposedly made us.
krunk1980 1 year ago
I wonder what his devil is like ;-)
skinnyjohnsen 1 year ago
And yet if someone he loved got murdered, he'd be out for their blood. He'd put it down to human mischief - not divine intervention, and he''d want their death in revenge for their killing his loved one.
AuntieDiluvian 1 year ago
So who is God answerable to? (I can't stomach Piper BTW)
Blogrich55 1 year ago
@Blogrich55 I've been subscribed to your channel for a while now and have read many of your comments. I've always considered you one of the mildest people on YT, with never a bad word towards anyone. So I was very surprised when I read you couldn't stomach John Piper. Why not ?!
14dicken 1 year ago
@14dicken He has distinct hyper-Charismatic overtones. He also supports Rick Warren.
Blogrich55 1 year ago
Love the added guilt @ 1:30 about sin, hell, and deserving to have already died. Exactly how cults work.
newexperiment 1 year ago
This dispicable sap needs to be "taken by god" today in a very violent, painful car fire on his way to church to worship the evil sob. ( but god doesn't exist so unfortunately, will have to wait for random chance )
6stringsbrainfingers 1 year ago
this is sad
B4mytyme 1 year ago
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I can agree with almost everything he says. I don't think terms just or good are applicable.
5kamon 1 year ago
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5kamon 1 year ago
It's god's will for people to die? There goes my last excuse for not listening to the voices telling me to go on that killing spree!
TheMudbrooker 1 year ago
@CaffeinatedThinking No, nothing is immoral to God. No laws apply to God. The laws that God gives apply man to man or man to God not God to man.
On a much, much smaller scale, it is not unlawful for you to make your child go to bed at 9:00 pm when you stay up till 1:00 am.
1689Baptist 1 year ago
I sure hope Gawd takes this prick's life soon. What a self-loathing scum bag.
johnycannuk 1 year ago
So this guy has abandoned objective morality and free will all in one video. That's talented.
ManicEightBall 1 year ago 2
Parents do owe children something after they literaly have given them life, food care safety name it. God doesn't look like any parent I would consider worthy of respect.
Also, aren't bullets shot by people who have free will? How does god govern that.
heloizyjhenifer 1 year ago
Fucking psycho.
hoodmilk 1 year ago 17
@hoodmilk You're obvioulsy the one who is wrong. God does whatever He wants, and owes you nothing. In fact, you are always deserving of death and hell. By His grace, you are still alive. Now make something of that life.
bugly45 1 year ago
@bugly45 Hahahahahhahahahahaaaaaaaa. OBVIOUSLY!!!???? You're a fucking wackjob.
hoodmilk 1 year ago
Quod licet Iovis non licet bovis, right?
popgrafix 1 year ago
what a chode!
youngn420 1 year ago
This guy is a fucking stupid, crazy, idiot sun of a bitch ....
eminescinescu 1 year ago
So if God makes the decision of when people die does that mean there are no true murderers in the world? If that's the case then we can save ourselves a lot of money by closing down the prisons and letting loose all the murderers, after all they were just gods instrument in ending the life of someone. Also we should stop chasing al quaeda as it wasn't their fault and reconsider hitlers final solution in the light of this new 'fact' that god decided personally that it was the victims time
lampyman101 1 year ago
@tyrongkojy well said
esme1231000 1 year ago
so by his suicide bomber argument at 1:02 ,9/11 and hundreds of other terror attacks are actually his god's will////,,,,,,........what a prick !!!!!!!! both him and his god
esme1231000 1 year ago
Is it not cool to add a video response that I made years ago? That's pretty much my comment. If his "God" is as Piper's described, then "I'm better than your god". Sheesh. What an asshole Christians think god is. What if there is a god and when Christians stand before him he goes, "What the hell were you believing about me? You thought I was a jerk!"
T4148 1 year ago
Madness - but this is the inevitable point where christian thinking leads if you truly believe the whole bible. At least he's honest about it which is more than can be said of moderate cherry-pickers.
Peace.
klhcc 1 year ago
What a truly immoral view point. This, right here, shows exactly how immoral his religion is at it's core.
Textra1 1 year ago
If this is truly his worldview, then it is entirely devoid of morality. How can moraity exist when there is only one agent?
roohif 1 year ago
and yet we have free will? *coughcontradictioncough*
spydrebyte 1 year ago
I just had a convo with a Christian, who said the same thing. He said, god can do things immoral to us, that are moral to him.
216trixie 1 year ago
I find it strange and remarkable that anyone could consider this particular god a moral arbiter when this description of god is of an utterly amoral entity. ??
If all live or die specifically by the will of their god how come it is so easy to estimate life expectancy based on age, income, location, and life style? No individual's will is apparent there.
macnutz 1 year ago 22
It's god's grace to make our estimations work ...
Your wrong, claiming god to be immoral.
God is right because of his god-given rights.
God is moral because of his god-given morals.
Nederdien 1 year ago
@Nederdien I said "amoral", not immoral, there is a difference. So God constantly breaks his own rules, is always right but changes his mind about things, does things that are reprehensible by any standard, but it's all OK because he is god. What submissive garbage.
Your god has a narcissistic personality disorder similar to that of Attila the Hun.
You have no room to talk about morality. The god of the bible and the Koran is a reflection of the ugliest part of humanity.
macnutz 1 year ago
@macnutz Pretty sure he was being sarcastic.
JonathanClement140 1 year ago
Yooo! Whats God the FATHERS NAME????????
Pablo113 1 year ago
He misses the point. Even if one assumes a "god" and that ultimately people only live and die because of god's will, the point is that he makes a moral example of himself to human beings by ORDERING the murder of men, women and yes children. So what this man needs to explain is why god offers up the example of murder, as a moral guidance to his followers.
AncientAtheist 1 year ago
My sister died when the DOCTOR shut off the breathing machine she was on. Seems like her doctor had more to say about the moment of death than the god invented by the ancient Hebrews did.
exodus21v20 1 year ago
There is this sermon in which John Piper goes on about how God delights in hate. It's rather scary, it should be in youtube somewhere, I believe. And if anyone wonders if this video is at all out of context (it seems obvious that it is not), Piper has stated equally horrid things on many an occasion. He's right there with Paul Washer who has said that his little daughter as a baby reminded him that human beings are prone to the sin of coveting. I am not even making this up
Nocturnalux 1 year ago
Oh man. This guy just earned a Dim Bulb of the Week award.
RHYMEMAIDEN1 1 year ago
yet man was made in god's image.
eonnoe 1 year ago
Here's a big middle finger for John Piper.
ozmoroid 1 year ago
So please tell me that John Piper never goes to a doctor or takes medication because after all whatever happens is God's will, right? You wouldn't want to mess with God's will with all that human intervention.
ozmoroid 1 year ago
No person can even be considered a thinking person if they have the same mindset as John Piper. Speaking of Piper's words that "we are all sinners", quoting from Atlas Shrugged: "To punish him (man) for a crime committed before he was born is a mockery of justice." And that, dear friends, is why "original sin" is an insane idea from the get go.
MagnusIan 1 year ago
Is this serious or a parody? I can' t tell!
n3rdm4n 1 year ago
Yes,it is right for God to slaughter women and children, God is always right no matter what He does. God has ALL rights over ANYTHING in HIS CREATION, to do with it what He will.
Do you not have power over the things you make or build?
God has even more rights over His creation b/c there is NO one He must answer to.
Gods rights: ALL
Mans rights: 0
1689Baptist 1 year ago
@1689Baptist Do you realize how idiotic that sounds to rational beings? god is a sadistic bastard then... that is what you are saying. Too bad he has no control over that pesky devil... him being omnipotent and all. Bullshit of the lowest degree!
Skavar4000 1 year ago
@Skavar4000 You don't think Biblically, therefore you are not rational.
1689Baptist 1 year ago
@1689Baptist and in the real world, you think biblically and thus known not to be rational. As a result all your conclusions, colored by your superstition, are suspect.
Skavar4000 1 year ago
@Skavar4000
1Co 1:20 ...hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
1Co 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
1Co 3:20 And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.
1689Baptist 1 year ago
@1689Baptist It is a non argument when you use quotes from a man made book written by illiterate wandering herdsmen in Egypt 2000 years ago. A book that I do not recognize.
Skavar4000 1 year ago
@Skavar4000 I was not trying to prove anything, I was stating a fact, whether you believe it or not makes no difference to me.
1689Baptist 1 year ago
@1689Baptist My point exactly... you were in no way stating facts and you seem unaware of this. I was merely pointing this out. Convincing you was not required.
Skavar4000 1 year ago
@1689Baptist Problem is lots of that slaughtering of women and children wasn't done by "God" but by a barbaric tribe who thought it was the will of "God." What if "God" tells someone to slaughter you? Are you down with that?
ozmoroid 1 year ago
@ozmoroid It is ALWAYS wrong to murder b/c God has given the command "Thou shalt not murder", what God has decreed is His business, and God has decreed all things that come to pass, including the comments you are posting on this page.
1689Baptist 1 year ago
@1689Baptist So are you saying the genocides commanded by God in the Old Testament were wrong?
ozmoroid 1 year ago
@ozmoroid No, b/c they Got direct commands from God to do it. No one today is getting those commands b/c the Bible is complete, the Bible is God word today.
1689Baptist 1 year ago
@1689Baptist No, you're wrong. There's a guy down the street who is still talking to "God." "God" is telling him to commit genocide too, just like in the Old Testament. You see, "God" has decided to do more of that kinda thing. Who are you to tell "Him" otherwise? I guess you weren't in on the revelation.
ozmoroid 1 year ago
@ozmoroid By the authority of the Bible I can say your guy down the street is not hearing from God.
1689Baptist 1 year ago
@1689Baptist You clearly misunderstand the Bible because "God" is not talking to you. "He" talks to the guy down the street and on the authority of those voices you are wrong. Also on the authority of the Jewish scriptures, as properly understood by Jewish scholars, Christianity is wrong and the so-called "New Testament" is bogus.
ozmoroid 1 year ago
@1689Baptist - If gawd decreed everything and knows everything that will happen, then why send people to hell? You're just full of oxymorons, aren't you?
LeksServices 1 year ago
@LeksServices Responsibility is not established by free will, but by knowledge, man knows what he is doing, he knows when he does wrong, yet he loves and wants to do what he does, man always does what he most wants to do at the moment of a decision.
Also responsibility requires a being able to hold them responsible.
1689Baptist 1 year ago
@1689Baptist So I am more moral then god. Sweet.
alianchild 1 year ago