vs this ship yes the enterprise would win. Asgard beams and sheilds? not a chance. The asgard can hop galaxies in the time it takes The Enterprise to leave the solar system.
@ORACLE063 Asgard beams and shields were inspired by Starfleet beams and shields. Speed has nothing to do with it. Star Trek needs exploration plots and you cannot have those with infinite engines.
As for guns, Stargate, again gets it's marching orders from Star Trek: one hit kills if your shield is down, a million little hits is nothing when shields are up. If you want to prove superiority, do better. Much better.
Oh come on Star Trek came out first! Without the undownable Gene these shows like Stargate, Babylon 5, Battlestar Galctica or Star Wars wouldn't even exist!
I am not saying that Star Trek is a bad show in any means, it's just that based on the episodes alone, Stargate tech is more advanced than Starfleet tech(and it makes more sense). Artificial wormholes happen all the time in Stargate while there's only one stable wormhole known to Starfleet, ships travel from one galaxy to another in mere days while Voyager need 70 years to cross 70000ly. But Star Trek has better medical and recreational tech, solid holograms arent often seen in SG.
@quizzisation "Stargate tech is more advanced than Starfleet tech(and it makes more sense). Artificial wormholes happen all the time in Stargate while there's only one stable wormhole known to Starfleet, ships travel from one galaxy to another in mere days."
Nice. But what about the *guns*. Sci-fi always states their engines to be better. (in the early days of Star Trek, warp drive was far and away fastest) Also, Star Trek makes sense, if you ignore the effing non-canon books.
@Idazmi7 Tell me episode like VOY:Threshold make sense:warp10 travel then the crew evolves into some kind of reptiles? Does that kind of technobabble make any sense to you at all? Note that I am not saying that the plot doent make sense, only the tech.
Stargate engines have always been better, All known SG ships have the ability to land on planetary surface, while in Star Trek cannon Intrepid class ships are the only ones that can do so.
@Idazmi7 'In the early days of ST' ok fine, but everyone knows there are a bunch of inconsistencies between TOS and the later series(warp scale, laser weapons),so when I am talking about tech, I am talking about TNG/DS9/VOY era tech, theoretically they should be more advanced than TOS tech right?I have already argued how SG weapons(Asgard beams,Ancient drones) and engines(Intergalactic hyperdrive) are far superior than ST tech,while some ST tech(solid holograms,medical tech) are better than SG.
@quizzisation The later shows ARE better than TOS tech. And the inconsistencies are literally the result of writers who did not research, and made stuff up. And no, Asgard plasma
beams are not "the ultimate kill-ship plot device" anywhere but in Stargate. They are beams of plasma.
Star Trek Voyager is hated by many Star Trek fans BECAUSE it ignores science, and past Star Trek events. The Enterprise made Voyager-distance trips in hours- thrice without upgrades! Three times before Voyager!!!
@Idazmi7 I am sorry, but Asgard Beam IS the ultimate kill-ship plot deice, it turned the tide of the Ori Crusade, the Taur'i Warith War and the Taur'i-Asuran War by killin ships left and right. If you actually go Watch the show you'll know what I mean. And don't forget Ancient Drone Weapons, these guys automatically seek out the weak points in opponents and adjust their formation to avoid incoming enemy fire, these projectiles cannot be shot down and once they hit shields are totally useless.
@quizzisation Star Trek - The Next Generation, Season 5, episode, "Conundrum"
U.S.S. Enterprise D destroys a medium sized war fleet without taking a scratch, as it one-hit-kills everything with phasers, not a single torpedo was used.
@Idazmi7 Yes because those guys were technologically primitive and those guys appeared ONCE only. DS9, Season2, The Jem'Hadar, a Galaxy class ship along with 3 runabouts can't even stand up to 3 Jem'Hadar fighters.
The technologically primitive people aka the Wraith appeared regularly in Stargate Atlantis, and they always get owned. Drone weapons too appeared regularly in the series.
@quizzisation Do they kill continents without deus-ex upgrades? Like, shooting planets without any special preparation? Because I remember it taking a special super-nuke to "melt" a planet in Stargate.
@Dimitri0809 Well 302 are no match vs phasers but yeah plasma beam and drones will destroy any Federation ships. A damaged Daedalus can survive in a star's corona for hours while the flagship of the federation fleet needs a specialized shield to do the same thing. I am not sure about Borg ships though cuz they can adapt so quickly and beam through shields to assimilate everyone. A standard Borg cube defeated 39 Starfleet ships in Wolf 359 so I am guessing it should rival against a 304.
@quizzisation Actually, the Federation flagship survived under the surface of the star, not in the corona. And everyone biases against Star Trek despite obvious advantages:
Transporters (no, they don't have that many issues)
@Idazmi7 'Easily as good as Asgard'? Seriously? Stargate shields depends on power supply, find a ZPM and I don't think federation weapons can damage the ship in anyway.
Transporters can't beam through shields, end of story.
Phasers: sure the name's fancy, but they can't one shot a wraith hive ship like Asgard beams. Drone weapons straight up beats phasers.
Oh and remember those nukes are enhanced with naquada, the effectiveness is boosted by 100ish times, so nukes=standard photon torps
@Idazmi7 How is a naquada enhanced nuke that can destroy a wraith hive ship when placed in the right spot not equal with a photon torpedo that can blow up a Borg scout ship when beamed inside?
Oh and by the way Romulans, Klingons, Cardassians, Ferengi, not to mention the Borg and a lot other alien species the Enterprise encountered, they all have shields that can withstand Galaxy class phaser shots.
@Idazmi7 I see you have never watched Stargate, currently Daedalus, Odyssey, Sun Tzu, Apollo and George Hammond are all very much functional and they are all equipped with Asgard Plasma Beams.
Don't comment on things you don't know. If you have ever watched Stargate, you'll know those 304s are pretty hardy, and Earth is one of the most powerful interstellar races right now with technology from two of the most advanced civilizations EVER existed.
It's stream of superheated plasma directed at a target at high speed.
I don't care what your technobabbles are, just know that Asgard Plasma Beams one shot Ha'taks or wraith cruiser, while Federation phasers seldom one shot anything.
Plasma Beams one shot a ha'tak, and ha'tak shields can survive in the corona of a blue giant for 10 hours.
@Idazmi7 Note that I'm neglecting Ancient Drone weapons, these little self guiding hybrid projectile-energy super bombs can phase through almost all known shields. And they are deployed in HORDES OF HUNDREDS. One of them is enough to kill a Ha'tak.
@Idazmi7 And how can you phase in and out of this so called 'dimensional spectrum'???
The only thing I can remember about phaser is that it's a phased nadion particle beam, which makes little sense if you have the slightest understanding of 'phase' in classical wave phenomenon.
Super heated plasma discharge may be impractical, but at the very least plasma itself is extremely hot and can be controlled by strong EM fields due to it's partially charged nature.
@Idazmi7 Remember the only ONE functional android is currently limited by a primitive positronic matrix, while most SGC brainiacs are still alive and well. Yeah Data's bullet proof but zat shots will fry his circuits outright.Enterprise survived in the star for a few hours with a specialized shield. A damaged Daedalus survived the star's corona with her standard shields for 10 hours.Replicators use tons of power(rationing on Voyager?).Asgard transporters can be modified to do the same thing.
People get so pissy when it comes to this stuff, and all the bad mouthing that goes on about Star Trek, please, if Gene didn't create Trek, there wouldn't be all these other shows now.
All of this is moot, though, because even if you were right, the power the ST ships would have is still less than the power output of a single wraith hive.
And also, the enhanced nukes they had caused an entire planet to go molten. One weapon, doing what you say a fleet couldn't do.
Whatever you say about their power, it's still less than the power of weapons in SG. Why don't you get that?
@GortonMichael I am right! The info is valid: Torpedoes still punce 31 Gigatons worth, and Starfleet ships carry 500 of those. Your Stargate numbers, however, are still unsourced, and un-demonstrated.
@Idazmi7 A single nuke in ..beachhead? Caused the planet to go molten. One. That's a hell of a lot more than destroying the crust partially, and you've said that was with a fleet of ships. And thinking about it, those same nukes are extremely simple and primitively designed. Imagine what the Asgard, or the Ancients could have done with that.
Also, about ZPMs - it stated in another episode that the sabotaged ZPM that Camulus gave earth would have destroyed the solar system.
@Idazmi7 Human built, with lots of naquada jammed in, apparantly. Although, they called it a "mark nine" so I assume they did do stuff to make it better.
@Idazmi7 apparantly, since they keep using them on wraith hives. But that might be only because they pierce through the hull so fast, they can use the interior of the ship to allow the rest of the explosion to effect the ship itself.
Presumerably, they'd be less effective on a shielded target, as all the energy would expend itself on the shield. It'd take down the shield (since it is insanely powerful) but wouldn't affect the ship itself (as it would be focused, no shockwave etc).
@Idazmi7 But the blast doesn't expand. It can't, 'cause there isn't anything for it to expand on. No particles. That's why they shouldn't be a big blast - it's small, highly focused.
@Idazmi7 To both of your comments (I will paste this on the other as well) I doubt Newton, having no knowledge of space, would understand that there is nothing in space. Also, he was proved wrong about quite a few things by scientists who came after.
@Idazmi7 Don't need to be a nobel winner to know that relativity is still waay different from Newton's physics. Also, can we move this conversation to the other one? You know, since it's the same one?
idazmi7 is lying about the torpedoes here too? Wow, no matter how much he lies Photon Torpedoes will always be around 64 megatons. That's the official canon number people.
Why the hell would a Photon Torp be stronger than a Quatum Torp? Quantum Torpedoes' max yield are 128 megatons. Someone needs to GTFO and go study some trek.
Lets crunch some numbers on a Time War Dalek Ship vs. the Enterprise, since we're nerds and thats what we do! Haha lets see now, Time Weapons, Black Whole Generators,Time Travel and Planet Busters vs Phasers and Energy Shields. I don't know guys, but I'd say it's a toss up.
@raywar3 ...Firing technology? That means it has better accuracy. You mean better weapons? Doubt it. If those enhanced missiles the prometheus has got can cripple a kilometres large ship, I reckon they can take down a ship around 400m long.
@Idazmi7 Found it. They said that 1.5kg was the maximum amount of antimatter/matter that could be put in a photon torpedo. That comes out as 65 Megatons.
@GortonMichael Star Wars fans *calculated* that number from an outdated, non-canon source book. The power demonstrated in no less than three episodes implies ~40 Gigatons per unmodified torpedo.
Not the point. The energy requirement is all that matters here. And the power output of the Wraith weapons is waaaay higher than traditional weapons in Star Trek, so those shields should have held up.
the x 303 would only get its backside whooped because there wepons and sheilds suck in comparison to a galaxy class ship (i mean they do have hyper space but really come on who'd use that?)
@been01010 ...What? The asgard were in space since the ancients left for pegasus the first time, so they've had millions of years to develop their shields. Even with the inferior power generators on the Earth ships, those shields should hold up from anything thrown at them. Even the Wraith, who presumerably took tech from the tech the lanteans left behind, took a while to breach the shields.
@GortonMichael Except the fact that Star Trek demonstrates the ability to absorp weapons that flatly have more power. Age matters not across continuities.
The shields on Atlantis held for 10000 years under the ocean, with 3 ZPMs. That works out, if I remember, as 50+ Peta Watts of energy, per ZPM.. The wraith then proceeded to with 2 hives and ~ 3 cruisers attack, and would have depleted the shield within days.
Considering that the same wraith ships, with the same weapons, were attacking the Earth ships, and the ship lasted for a while, you see how much energy is being used here.
@GortonMichael The Battle of the Omarion Nebula: Standard guns wreck a planet in one salvo. You can see it on youtube. BTW, Star Trek explains its OWN numbers, not some fanboi.
@pardusian141 No, it was 2 hives and a couple of cruisers. The ten hives never attacked Atlantis. The city was "destroyed" when they got there. If you're going to try and disprove someone, please re-watch the episode first.
@GortonMichael You my friend are the one with your facts wrong....I have watched those episodes (all three of the siege names) and the first attack was 2 hives with cruisers supporting then the hives were destroyed causing the cruisers to retreat to gather reinforcements. They brought back twelve hives but 2 were destroyed by the Daedalus. The hives reached Atlantis and then the expidition facked the destruction of the city.
this is what happens when fanboys are allowed to talk to one another. bla,bla,bla(expletive Jerk!!!!) bla,bla and so there!!!! Please just go out doors have real fun detox from the boob tube for a year or so and you'll be just fine.
the Prometheus was such a sorry ass excuse for a starship.. rail guns and some missiles if it wasn't for the Asgard shields it would taken out by a pea shooter from earth..they needed some serious upgrades...the Daedalus class ships weren't much better again the Asgard gave it beaming tech and then the beam weapons that made it an actual warship...McKay's shield improvements were a big help
Another thing, Even though there are manythings that repel plasma, the Asgard use a form of shield as well as the normal magnetic bottle which acts as an Armour piercing thing to let the plasma in and works its magic byebye enterprise, also We have naqudria enhanced nuclear warhead, destroys nigh indestructable stargate and anything else in a 100 mile radius.
@Idazmi7 umm, what ST episode did you see this in?
- that would require multi-gigaton levels of fire power, nothing that ST has ever been shown to posess if my memory serves me correctly.
As for the ST VS SG debate Trek fans it can be summed up quite nicely in favor of Stargate. A single BC-304 can travel 3 million ly in 2 weeks (4 day's with a ZPM) A single Intrepid class starship takes 65 years using conventional propulsion systems to travel 75,000 ly. Faster, and better ships = SG win
@Jackneill45 Captain Kirk's ship, the original U.S.S. Enterprise, can cook planets easily, and has, multiple times. It also takes hits from planet-killing weapons on a fairly regular basis, yet the show preserves drama. Everyone forgets that one.
@Jackneill45 Your memory Concerning ST Firepower does not serve you well, A 25 isoton photon torpedo explosion could destroy an entire city within seconds. (VOY: "Living Witness")
A 54 isoton yield gravimetric charge could blow up a small planet. (VOY: "The Omega Directive")
200 isotons was the explosive yield of a photon torpedo with a class-6 warhead. (VOY: "Scorpion, Part II")
@Jackneill45 In addition the Old ST Did Have that Kind of Firepower, in the Episode "Obsession" Kirk and Garrovick beam down to the surface of the planet with the hemoplasm and Less than one ounce of antimatter, which has the explosive force of more than 10,000 cobalt bombs that would rip away Half the Planets atmosphere, Considering How small the Device was, Imagine a Full ounce, in each of 6 Photon Torpedos, fired at even something as Large as the Death Star.
@slickyboy40 It is a well known fact that irl anti matter doesn't work quite like that. You need a 1 to 1 ratio of matter / antimatter for it to react. It is also quite apparent that a lot of the ST stuff from the original series was rectoned out of it when they started TNG, for example the Enterprise being able to make the 50,000 ly journy from the galactic rim to the galactic core in but a few episodes, and the USS Voyager taking 65 years to travel 75,000 ly.
@slickyboy40 Also to inject some sanity into this discussion I've taken the liberity of preperaring some calculations to determin the top speed of the St ships and Stargate ships based on the distance that they travel, and how long it takes them to get there.
ST = .131 LY / Hour (Intrepid Class Top speed)
Stargate:
Without ZPM 6547 LY / Hour Daedalus
With ZPM 34375 Ly / Hour Daedalus Infact a Daedalus with one ZPM is 262,404 times faster than a Intrepid class starship.
@Idazmi7 I know that, however from pretty much TNG, DS9, and Voy on the writers have set a standard for Federation ship speeds which were much slower than those from the original series, and the only times in Voyager that those were messed with was Quantum Slipstreem, the catapult, the Equinox's weird propulsion system, and the Transwarp drive that was stolen from the Borg. Each case had non-Federation tech used to enhance propulsion systems.
@Idazmi7 lol, no. You can't have one without the other buddy. St ships are not more powerful. Star Trek weapons deal low megaton damage levels, not gigaton. Infact the episode that you were referencing proves my point, I will half to watch it again but I do believe it took a combined fleet of something like 30 to 60 ships hours to destroy the surface of a single Dominion planet where as a small number of BC-304's armed with Horizon weapon platforms and Mark 9's can do the same job in minutes.
@Jackneill45 Yes I can have "one without the other" Star Trek weapons do much more in less time because they DO. Also, the Dominion planet was defended. The Romulans were unopposed, and blew away a third of a planet's crust in *one salvo* lasting 2 seconds.
Just because prometheus got blown up, it was the first Tau'ri ship built. The enterprise had centuries of experience or travel, and they are hardly that good, imean the Asgard motherships (old biliskners) coould take on 6 goa'uld MOTHERSHIPS with LIGHT DAMAGE. also the ancients have weapons in STANDARD outposts that Took out a fleet of 30+ MOTHERSHIPS. The asgard, ancients, tau'ri and the Ori could travel between galaxys in DAYS. also we have asgard plasma beams, roflestomp stargate wins :)
Obviously you used Promethius because we have footage of it getting destroyed, but even without the Asgard beams, that ship had shields to withstand the enterprise all day.
Star Trek is more or less the grandfather of modern sci fi so It's natural to see so much hate everybody wants to claim thier faves are the best. Just remember It's supposed to be fun the fi in sci fi, is short for fiction. Anyone can look at what's out there, make up thier own stuff with faster ships more powerful weapons more magical characters. It's not that big a deal.
Imo Stargate > Star Trek because of this simple fact:
Stagrate is so much more exciting. And don't tell me that I haven't seen all episodes from both franchises, because I have, except for DS9, because that is more boring than eating shit.
Unrealistic. The technology in Stargate allows the ships in that universe to travel between galaxies, the shields are much more powerful.
In Star Trek, the technology allows travel within the sectors of one quadrant of the galaxy.
The Enterprise's weapons wouldn't be very effective against the shields of the Prometheus. That and the Asgard beam weapon that the Prometheus and Daedalus ships use would probably rip through the Enterprise, I mean they cut through Ori ships' Ancient tech!
@HeraldDRoi i forgot about the Asgard tech...so really this video is too simple to really compare the two...honestly let's see here, we're talking about human beings who discovered warp tech and were then helped by the Vulcans, star trek...then humans who discovered gate travel to eventually be helped by the Asgard. So humans with Vulcan tech vs. humans with Asgard tech? Asgards win i think.
The tech is way more advanced in Stargate, yeah. The Asgard travel back and forth between our galaxy and theirs all the time, but the races in Star Trek take months, years or even decades to travel across a single quadrant of the galaxy.
Significant difference in tech. I think Star Wars tech would probably stand a decent chance against Stargate's... until the Asurans or the Asgard join in on the fight.
In Star Trek the warp engines couldn't go to other galaxies, Voyager, one of their fastest ships had a hard time getting back to their quadrant of the galaxy..... the only time I can remember that a Trek ships left the galaxy was with help from a traveler, who enhanced the engines with his touch... or when Q was messing around with the Enterprise...
How about Star Trek vs Stargate Replicators? gf Borg, Federation, ... maybe not Q ... but still. let's see the Q fight the ancients and ori? Oh, fun fun :D
dude, gotta say, nice blending. ive often wondered what a 300 crewed promethius class would do against a 1000 crewed galaxy class. and as for the dude downstairs star trek tech is 300 years ahead of stargate ya nut lol
@paladinrycheck *cough* ancients are 1 million years more advanced than star trek *cough* Asgard are at least 5000 *cough* so are the wraith, oh and the Nox. What about those Ori? Hehe, just remember, Stargate is us joining a 1000 millenia evolution process of our galaxy where others are more advanced than the borg (replicators). Hehe oh yes, Replicators.
And the stargate tech i copied from tech from beings that travelled between galaxies 50million years ago :)
From beings that started to ascend 50 million years ago.. from beings that could create artificial wormholes guess what? 50 million years ago :) where does that leave trek tech ? want me to keep going ... somewhere between 50 and 2 million years ago, they build ships that could travel through suns, and draw energy from it ..
I'll continue from my previous post. The ancient CREATED life in atleast 2 galaxies that we know of, in their own image.
The Asgard, another advanced race, able to collapse a sun to create a black hole. time dilation. advanced cloning and what not. admitted that they had barly scrathed the surfuce of all the knowledge possed by the ancients .. comparing stargate tech with star trek tech, it's like comparing star trek tech with that of Lord of the Rings ..
@lolwut112 You seem to lack any knowledge on trek. Trek has genesis there is your create life. Funny that to compare the two you have to compare the most advanced Gate races to average races in Trek. Even the ascended would get beat down as the Q make them their bitch's. Trek the human races are capable of collapsing a star and destroying a entire system. Gate humans with their borrowed and stolen tech would be not match for trek humans, let alone any of the more advanced races. Gate tech LOL.
@lolwut112 ok you have a valid point. But your missing mine. What i meant was, the promethious still uses chemicaly powered weapons. yes the enterprise does as well namley thier torpedes. but the closest to enterprise tech that the promethius has is thier rail guns. but to add another point, i like both star trek and stargate. so i do ponder that big question. who's better? kirk or o'niell?
Why would the Enterprise attack another earth ship, they always open a hailing channel to anything they have not seen before and two they just try to cripple the ship.
this is SOOOOOOOOOO what would happen maby.... ill make a custom class desined to kick stargate but! the vid will be up maby by the month Agest and i know i spelt that wrong! :)
nuclear weapons have been seen not to cripple a constitution class ship with it's shields reduced. So yeah, a galaxy class with out shields probably wouldn't survive...nut really, this is all assuming you can combine the technologies from the two universes. For all we know the 302 might just go splat on enterprises' startrek-style shields.
Then consider of the nuclear weapons are enhanced with nagudah aswell? In Breachhead [9x06] they detonate a MultiGIGAton explosion ..
A 15 MEGAton explosion gives a crater of 2km.. That means the Gigaton explosion is ATLEAST 133,3 times as powerful .. The explosion gave enough energy to supply 70% of the engergi needed to expand a shield around an entire planet to collapse it and create a black hole.
fair enough i'll give you that one ... have F302 jump to hyperspace and exit with the shields, and fire a nuke (they did that against Anubis' mothership to destroy his advanded weapons)
this is actually accurate. The stargate ship shown, which appears to be a combination of shots from odyssey and prometheus, is nonetheless shown to have only earth weapons without the asgard additions; clearly inferior to the weapons of the . However, if one pits the the fleets of the entire universes of stargate and star trek against each other, i believe that it is nearly impossible to deduce the victor due to the large number of incredibly powerful ships seen in both universes.
E, how do you figure in Odyssey? Odyssey is a F-304 Battlecruiser (same as Deadalus, Sun Tzu, Kolobnev, Apollo)
Don't forget, this could have just taken 2sec, Prometheus could have just beamed a Nagudah Enhanced Nuclear warhead aboard Enterprise.. and done, no more enterprise.. Plus, prometheus had Asgard shields. No way in hell they would fail that easy .. especially not considering how much of a beating it could take from Anubis.
@TheBushImpersonator More advanced Weaponary ??????????? Are you serious, how a PLASMA WEAPON could be more advanced than a PHASER. How missiles could be more advanced than a FOTON TORPEDO ? Man you are sleeping all theese years. WAKE UP !
@mguimaraens Actually as shown in TNG plasma weaponry is very effective against Federation star ships and I would imagine Drone's are more advanced than PHOTON (please take note of the PH) torpedoes. Stargate ships are also proven to have very thick armour that a PHASER could probably not penetrate.
@Narzul666 Have some CULTURE before continuing speaking this BULSHIT.
1 -The plasma shot out of a plasma weapon would tend to dissipate in the surrounding environment within about 50 centimeters from the gun, from thermal and/or electric pressure expansion, called blooming
2-Many materials already exist that are highly resistant to plasma, reinforced carbon-carbon used on the Space Shuttle's nose cone for example; or the ceramic inserts used in bulletproof vests.
1 - Phasers are phase shifting beams of energy and on the enterprise D the type X phaser array exerts about 4.1 MW of power which is enough to cut through the hull plating on any federation starship. Tau'ri ships from stargate use hull plating much thicker than that of Star Trek
2 - most human vessel in SG use Railguns which is a solid projectile launch at mach 10 (with minimal friction in space) these would be more than enough to pummel any federation ship into submission.
vs this ship yes the enterprise would win. Asgard beams and sheilds? not a chance. The asgard can hop galaxies in the time it takes The Enterprise to leave the solar system.
ORACLE063 3 days ago
@ORACLE063 Asgard beams and shields were inspired by Starfleet beams and shields. Speed has nothing to do with it. Star Trek needs exploration plots and you cannot have those with infinite engines.
As for guns, Stargate, again gets it's marching orders from Star Trek: one hit kills if your shield is down, a million little hits is nothing when shields are up. If you want to prove superiority, do better. Much better.
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Minecraftnavody 3 days ago
The U.S.A.F Daedalus would have obliterated the enterprise any day of the week...
/watch?v=LTB4_SDJkN4&feature=related
Leumas357 2 weeks ago
@Leumas357 Dude, phasers do the same thing.
Idazmi7 2 weeks ago
@Idazmi7 Look here.
/watch?v=UspfD7SW5Ns&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PLC5D9D40030D0E9D9
Idazmi7 2 weeks ago
@Leumas357 exept Friday cause it's girls' night
Hipponikos 4 days ago
An x304 would have smashed it
twistyjay8686 2 weeks ago
You used the Promethius? NO! You should have used the Odessy after the Asgard Upgrades. Then the Enterprise wouldn't have a ghost of a chance.
JPeel459 3 weeks ago
@JPeel459 as much as I love star trek, I agree.
I mean common, weaponry that can swiss cheese a ship whose builders have 1 million plus years of advancements?
miack84 3 weeks ago
@miack84 Look here.
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Idazmi7 3 weeks ago
Cool compilation!
TheWlodekCRZ 3 weeks ago
Where did you get the music from?
LivesForJihad 3 weeks ago
Oh come on Star Trek came out first! Without the undownable Gene these shows like Stargate, Babylon 5, Battlestar Galctica or Star Wars wouldn't even exist!
theemrpoint123 1 month ago 6
would have been better if stargate won coz the SGC are the BEST
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rocekful 1 month ago
this video sucks!
FinlandGyu 1 month ago 5
@Idazmi7
I am not saying that Star Trek is a bad show in any means, it's just that based on the episodes alone, Stargate tech is more advanced than Starfleet tech(and it makes more sense). Artificial wormholes happen all the time in Stargate while there's only one stable wormhole known to Starfleet, ships travel from one galaxy to another in mere days while Voyager need 70 years to cross 70000ly. But Star Trek has better medical and recreational tech, solid holograms arent often seen in SG.
quizzisation 1 month ago
@quizzisation "Stargate tech is more advanced than Starfleet tech(and it makes more sense). Artificial wormholes happen all the time in Stargate while there's only one stable wormhole known to Starfleet, ships travel from one galaxy to another in mere days."
Nice. But what about the *guns*. Sci-fi always states their engines to be better. (in the early days of Star Trek, warp drive was far and away fastest) Also, Star Trek makes sense, if you ignore the effing non-canon books.
Idazmi7 1 month ago
@Idazmi7 Tell me episode like VOY:Threshold make sense:warp10 travel then the crew evolves into some kind of reptiles? Does that kind of technobabble make any sense to you at all? Note that I am not saying that the plot doent make sense, only the tech.
Stargate engines have always been better, All known SG ships have the ability to land on planetary surface, while in Star Trek cannon Intrepid class ships are the only ones that can do so.
quizzisation 1 month ago
@Idazmi7 'In the early days of ST' ok fine, but everyone knows there are a bunch of inconsistencies between TOS and the later series(warp scale, laser weapons),so when I am talking about tech, I am talking about TNG/DS9/VOY era tech, theoretically they should be more advanced than TOS tech right?I have already argued how SG weapons(Asgard beams,Ancient drones) and engines(Intergalactic hyperdrive) are far superior than ST tech,while some ST tech(solid holograms,medical tech) are better than SG.
quizzisation 1 month ago
@quizzisation The later shows ARE better than TOS tech. And the inconsistencies are literally the result of writers who did not research, and made stuff up. And no, Asgard plasma
beams are not "the ultimate kill-ship plot device" anywhere but in Stargate. They are beams of plasma.
Star Trek Voyager is hated by many Star Trek fans BECAUSE it ignores science, and past Star Trek events. The Enterprise made Voyager-distance trips in hours- thrice without upgrades! Three times before Voyager!!!
Idazmi7 1 month ago
@Idazmi7 I am sorry, but Asgard Beam IS the ultimate kill-ship plot deice, it turned the tide of the Ori Crusade, the Taur'i Warith War and the Taur'i-Asuran War by killin ships left and right. If you actually go Watch the show you'll know what I mean. And don't forget Ancient Drone Weapons, these guys automatically seek out the weak points in opponents and adjust their formation to avoid incoming enemy fire, these projectiles cannot be shot down and once they hit shields are totally useless.
quizzisation 1 month ago
@quizzisation Star Trek - The Next Generation, Season 5, episode, "Conundrum"
U.S.S. Enterprise D destroys a medium sized war fleet without taking a scratch, as it one-hit-kills everything with phasers, not a single torpedo was used.
Idazmi7 1 month ago
@Idazmi7 Yes because those guys were technologically primitive and those guys appeared ONCE only. DS9, Season2, The Jem'Hadar, a Galaxy class ship along with 3 runabouts can't even stand up to 3 Jem'Hadar fighters.
The technologically primitive people aka the Wraith appeared regularly in Stargate Atlantis, and they always get owned. Drone weapons too appeared regularly in the series.
quizzisation 1 month ago
@quizzisation Do they kill continents without deus-ex upgrades? Like, shooting planets without any special preparation? Because I remember it taking a special super-nuke to "melt" a planet in Stargate.
/watch?v=QN2ZrTpvIss - power
/watch?v=lcMgcJuQqvg - firing rates
Idazmi7 1 month ago
Year, year - for sure.
An better armed science ship should destroy a full armed battleship.
*LOL*
Impossible.
Stargate ships have strong deflector shields, too.
Where were they..?
Magically disappeard to give Feds any lousy chance ? :P
Further Star Gate guys are half of the time in war with the wraith.
Federation has just some less wars and so worse technics and experience in space war.
ALL other scifi series have a lot of battleships - just ST only ONE - and thats NOT Enterprise D. *ROFL*
MoviesAreMyDream 1 month ago
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@MoviesAreMyDream
"An better armed science ship should destroy a full armed battleship, lol impossible"
Actually, the Enterprise D is a heavily shielded battlecruiser that can fire torpedoes at 10 shots per *second*
"Federation has just some less wars and so worse technics and experience in space war."
DS9. Pwned.
"ALL other scifi series have a lot of battleships - just ST only ONE - and thats NOT Enterprise D. *ROFL*"
DS9. Pwned.
Idazmi7 1 month ago
Star Trek FTW
Peppergon 1 month ago
"reads coments"
we defenatly need to get out more
sergiostudios 2 months ago
Stargate owns star trek..
Dimitri0809 2 months ago
@Dimitri0809 Well 302 are no match vs phasers but yeah plasma beam and drones will destroy any Federation ships. A damaged Daedalus can survive in a star's corona for hours while the flagship of the federation fleet needs a specialized shield to do the same thing. I am not sure about Borg ships though cuz they can adapt so quickly and beam through shields to assimilate everyone. A standard Borg cube defeated 39 Starfleet ships in Wolf 359 so I am guessing it should rival against a 304.
quizzisation 2 months ago
@quizzisation Actually, the Federation flagship survived under the surface of the star, not in the corona. And everyone biases against Star Trek despite obvious advantages:
Transporters (no, they don't have that many issues)
Phasers (not lasers, Photonic Maser Emmiters)
Torpedoes (Antimatter beats Nukes)
Shields (easily as good as Asgard)
Replicators (Make stuff from thin air)
Androids (Like friendly Terminators)
All of that is mundane, every-episode stuff.
Idazmi7 1 month ago
@Idazmi7 'Easily as good as Asgard'? Seriously? Stargate shields depends on power supply, find a ZPM and I don't think federation weapons can damage the ship in anyway.
Transporters can't beam through shields, end of story.
Phasers: sure the name's fancy, but they can't one shot a wraith hive ship like Asgard beams. Drone weapons straight up beats phasers.
Oh and remember those nukes are enhanced with naquada, the effectiveness is boosted by 100ish times, so nukes=standard photon torps
quizzisation 1 month ago
@quizzisation Phasers one-shot everything else! Only higher species have survived even ONE phaser blast from the Galaxy class!
"nukes=standard photon torps"
No they do not.
Idazmi7 1 month ago
@Idazmi7 How is a naquada enhanced nuke that can destroy a wraith hive ship when placed in the right spot not equal with a photon torpedo that can blow up a Borg scout ship when beamed inside?
Oh and by the way Romulans, Klingons, Cardassians, Ferengi, not to mention the Borg and a lot other alien species the Enterprise encountered, they all have shields that can withstand Galaxy class phaser shots.
quizzisation 1 month ago
@quizzisation Not at maximum power.
Idazmi7 1 month ago
@quizzisation
At maximum power, the Enterprise overpowered and destroyed a Ferengi Marauder.
They also destroyed *three* Romulan Warbirds with the Primary Deflector (which is actually a gun, the Navigation Shield blocks small meteors)
A Klingon Negh'Var battleship was destroyed by rapid phaser fire, before it could return fire.
All done by the Enterprise D.
Idazmi7 1 month ago
@Idazmi7 You said 'phaser one shot everything else', I was replying to your statement that phasers dont one shot everything.
But Asgard plasma beam does. Michael's cruiser was destroyed in a single shot after Col Caldwell ordered Major Marks to 'make that ship go away'.
quizzisation 1 month ago
@quizzisation I replied and proved you wrong.
Each exampleI gave features a one-shot kill/derilect because diplomacy failed.
And all Asgard-beam armed human ships in Stargate were destroyed. How's that possible with their "ultimateness?"
Idazmi7 1 month ago
@Idazmi7 I see you have never watched Stargate, currently Daedalus, Odyssey, Sun Tzu, Apollo and George Hammond are all very much functional and they are all equipped with Asgard Plasma Beams.
Don't comment on things you don't know. If you have ever watched Stargate, you'll know those 304s are pretty hardy, and Earth is one of the most powerful interstellar races right now with technology from two of the most advanced civilizations EVER existed.
quizzisation 1 month ago
@quizzisation Plasma Beams?
Phasers are Particle beams fluctuated (phased) in and out of the dimentional spectrum!
Idazmi7 1 month ago
@Idazmi7
It's stream of superheated plasma directed at a target at high speed.
I don't care what your technobabbles are, just know that Asgard Plasma Beams one shot Ha'taks or wraith cruiser, while Federation phasers seldom one shot anything.
Plasma Beams one shot a ha'tak, and ha'tak shields can survive in the corona of a blue giant for 10 hours.
quizzisation 1 month ago
@Idazmi7 Note that I'm neglecting Ancient Drone weapons, these little self guiding hybrid projectile-energy super bombs can phase through almost all known shields. And they are deployed in HORDES OF HUNDREDS. One of them is enough to kill a Ha'tak.
quizzisation 1 month ago
@Idazmi7 And how can you phase in and out of this so called 'dimensional spectrum'???
The only thing I can remember about phaser is that it's a phased nadion particle beam, which makes little sense if you have the slightest understanding of 'phase' in classical wave phenomenon.
Super heated plasma discharge may be impractical, but at the very least plasma itself is extremely hot and can be controlled by strong EM fields due to it's partially charged nature.
Don't embarrass yourself.
quizzisation 1 month ago
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@quizzisation "makes little sense if you have the slightest understanding of 'phase' in classical wave phenomenon"
Don't embarras *yourself*. You did not refute my claim, you only demonstrate your lack of knowledge in the Star Trek areas.
Idazmi7 1 month ago
@Idazmi7 Remember the only ONE functional android is currently limited by a primitive positronic matrix, while most SGC brainiacs are still alive and well. Yeah Data's bullet proof but zat shots will fry his circuits outright.Enterprise survived in the star for a few hours with a specialized shield. A damaged Daedalus survived the star's corona with her standard shields for 10 hours.Replicators use tons of power(rationing on Voyager?).Asgard transporters can be modified to do the same thing.
quizzisation 1 month ago
@Idazmi7 Photonic maser = laser.
demoniack81 1 month ago
@demoniack81 No it doesnt.
Idazmi7 1 month ago
People get so pissy when it comes to this stuff, and all the bad mouthing that goes on about Star Trek, please, if Gene didn't create Trek, there wouldn't be all these other shows now.
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Defiant47 2 months ago
Stagate is better i don't care what anyone says!
ianhumphreys7 2 months ago
All of this is moot, though, because even if you were right, the power the ST ships would have is still less than the power output of a single wraith hive.
And also, the enhanced nukes they had caused an entire planet to go molten. One weapon, doing what you say a fleet couldn't do.
Whatever you say about their power, it's still less than the power of weapons in SG. Why don't you get that?
GortonMichael 2 months ago
And of course a bloody "Star wars vs Star trek" would have biased info. lol.
GortonMichael 2 months ago
@GortonMichael That's not the site i referred you to.
Idazmi7 2 months ago
@Idazmi7 lol? picard578.hostoi.com/startrek-vs-starwars/star_trek/index[dot]html
I like how it says startrek vs starwars.
GortonMichael 2 months ago
@GortonMichael I am right! The info is valid: Torpedoes still punce 31 Gigatons worth, and Starfleet ships carry 500 of those. Your Stargate numbers, however, are still unsourced, and un-demonstrated.
Idazmi7 2 months ago
@Idazmi7 A single nuke in ..beachhead? Caused the planet to go molten. One. That's a hell of a lot more than destroying the crust partially, and you've said that was with a fleet of ships. And thinking about it, those same nukes are extremely simple and primitively designed. Imagine what the Asgard, or the Ancients could have done with that.
Also, about ZPMs - it stated in another episode that the sabotaged ZPM that Camulus gave earth would have destroyed the solar system.
GortonMichael 2 months ago
@GortonMichael "A single nuke in ..beachhead? Caused the planet to go molten."
Human built?
Idazmi7 2 months ago
@Idazmi7 Human built, with lots of naquada jammed in, apparantly. Although, they called it a "mark nine" so I assume they did do stuff to make it better.
GortonMichael 2 months ago
@GortonMichael Hmm... can it be used in space?
Idazmi7 2 months ago
@Idazmi7 apparantly, since they keep using them on wraith hives. But that might be only because they pierce through the hull so fast, they can use the interior of the ship to allow the rest of the explosion to effect the ship itself.
Presumerably, they'd be less effective on a shielded target, as all the energy would expend itself on the shield. It'd take down the shield (since it is insanely powerful) but wouldn't affect the ship itself (as it would be focused, no shockwave etc).
GortonMichael 2 months ago
@GortonMichael But considering the shield is now down, it wouldn't take much to blow the ship up for good, I suppose.
GortonMichael 2 months ago
@GortonMichael Without atmosphere, explosions are actually bigger: no atmosphere to "cushion" the blast.
Idazmi7 2 months ago
@Idazmi7 But the blast doesn't expand. It can't, 'cause there isn't anything for it to expand on. No particles. That's why they shouldn't be a big blast - it's small, highly focused.
GortonMichael 2 months ago
@GortonMichael Actually, newtonian physics implies the *opposite* of what you just said.
Idazmi7 2 months ago
@Idazmi7 To both of your comments (I will paste this on the other as well) I doubt Newton, having no knowledge of space, would understand that there is nothing in space. Also, he was proved wrong about quite a few things by scientists who came after.
GortonMichael 2 months ago
@GortonMichael Relativity was based on Newton, and no, you are not a Nobel laureate for scientific discovery, so I doubt you.
Idazmi7 2 months ago
@Idazmi7 Don't need to be a nobel winner to know that relativity is still waay different from Newton's physics. Also, can we move this conversation to the other one? You know, since it's the same one?
GortonMichael 2 months ago
@GortonMichael "Don't need to be a nobel winner to know that relativity is still waay different from Newton's physics"
The force of Gravity, constant motion, orbital velocity, friction...
All modified from existing statements in Newtonian physics. It amazes me, how you will re-write the UNIVERSE for Stargate supremacy.
:P
Idazmi7 2 months ago
idazmi7 is lying about the torpedoes here too? Wow, no matter how much he lies Photon Torpedoes will always be around 64 megatons. That's the official canon number people.
Why the hell would a Photon Torp be stronger than a Quatum Torp? Quantum Torpedoes' max yield are 128 megatons. Someone needs to GTFO and go study some trek.
QuantumNova 2 months ago
Destiny would own any ship from Star Trek!
MrJondoe981 2 months ago
fujjj buuu neni možní abi zničili prometea tak snadno
MrHaindrich 2 months ago
Was expecting the Enterprise to face off against goa'uld mothership; no reason for Federation ship to attack an Earth vessel.
Bandaloope 2 months ago
Lets crunch some numbers on a Time War Dalek Ship vs. the Enterprise, since we're nerds and thats what we do! Haha lets see now, Time Weapons, Black Whole Generators,Time Travel and Planet Busters vs Phasers and Energy Shields. I don't know guys, but I'd say it's a toss up.
notablegoat 2 months ago
the enterprise would win. It has better firing technology.
raywar3 2 months ago
@raywar3 ...Firing technology? That means it has better accuracy. You mean better weapons? Doubt it. If those enhanced missiles the prometheus has got can cripple a kilometres large ship, I reckon they can take down a ship around 400m long.
I won't even mention the power differences.
GortonMichael 2 months ago
@GortonMichael The Photon torpedo is 5 gigaton, and the Enterprise can spit them out like bullets. (the Best of Both Worlds)
Idazmi7 2 months ago
@Idazmi7 And in voyager it states that some of their most powerful photon torpedoes are ~75 megatons.
GortonMichael 2 months ago
@GortonMichael When? I've never even heard them mention less than 400 megatons for "primitive" weapons.
Idazmi7 2 months ago
@Idazmi7 Hang on. Let me get back to you on that. I don't remember which episode it was
I'll try and find it tommorow or something
GortonMichael 2 months ago
@Idazmi7 Found it. They said that 1.5kg was the maximum amount of antimatter/matter that could be put in a photon torpedo. That comes out as 65 Megatons.
GortonMichael 2 months ago
@GortonMichael Star Wars fans *calculated* that number from an outdated, non-canon source book. The power demonstrated in no less than three episodes implies ~40 Gigatons per unmodified torpedo.
"Balance of Terror"
"Battle of the Omarion Nebula"
One other I don't remember.
Idazmi7 2 months ago
@Idazmi7 meh? I got that from the episode.
GortonMichael 2 months ago
@GortonMichael Which one from which series?
BTW, the source of my info:
picard578.hostoi.com/startrek-vs-starwars/star_trek/index[dot]html
Idazmi7 2 months ago
@Idazmi7 It was from voyager.
GortonMichael 2 months ago
@GortonMichael Nope. They rate power according to fictional "Isotons" not megatons.
Idazmi7 2 months ago
@Idazmi7 But being fair they also said that you could increase the yield to about 100 gigatons.
GortonMichael 2 months ago
@GortonMichael 10* gigatons
GortonMichael 2 months ago
Not the point. The energy requirement is all that matters here. And the power output of the Wraith weapons is waaaay higher than traditional weapons in Star Trek, so those shields should have held up.
GortonMichael 3 months ago
@GortonMichael Wrong.
Idazmi7 2 months ago
Of course the Enterprise would waste the Prometheus,.. but that's what makes SG-1 the cooler show... they manage more with less.
Vinemaple 3 months ago
@Vinemaple If that's what makes a Sci-fi cool for you, I suggest Doctor Who! Savest the Universe with nothing but his Brain and Sonic Screwdriver :)
notablegoat 2 months ago
the x 303 would only get its backside whooped because there wepons and sheilds suck in comparison to a galaxy class ship (i mean they do have hyper space but really come on who'd use that?)
been01010 3 months ago
@been01010 ...What? The asgard were in space since the ancients left for pegasus the first time, so they've had millions of years to develop their shields. Even with the inferior power generators on the Earth ships, those shields should hold up from anything thrown at them. Even the Wraith, who presumerably took tech from the tech the lanteans left behind, took a while to breach the shields.
GortonMichael 3 months ago
@GortonMichael Except the fact that Star Trek demonstrates the ability to absorp weapons that flatly have more power. Age matters not across continuities.
Idazmi7 3 months ago
@Idazmi7 Do they? When's that?
The shields on Atlantis held for 10000 years under the ocean, with 3 ZPMs. That works out, if I remember, as 50+ Peta Watts of energy, per ZPM.. The wraith then proceeded to with 2 hives and ~ 3 cruisers attack, and would have depleted the shield within days.
Considering that the same wraith ships, with the same weapons, were attacking the Earth ships, and the ship lasted for a while, you see how much energy is being used here.
GortonMichael 3 months ago
@GortonMichael YOTA Joules. Not Peta. Sorry.
GortonMichael 3 months ago
@GortonMichael The Battle of the Omarion Nebula: Standard guns wreck a planet in one salvo. You can see it on youtube. BTW, Star Trek explains its OWN numbers, not some fanboi.
Idazmi7 3 months ago
@GortonMichael Actually it was 10 hives.
pardusian141 2 months ago
@pardusian141 No, it was 2 hives and a couple of cruisers. The ten hives never attacked Atlantis. The city was "destroyed" when they got there. If you're going to try and disprove someone, please re-watch the episode first.
GortonMichael 2 months ago
@GortonMichael You my friend are the one with your facts wrong....I have watched those episodes (all three of the siege names) and the first attack was 2 hives with cruisers supporting then the hives were destroyed causing the cruisers to retreat to gather reinforcements. They brought back twelve hives but 2 were destroyed by the Daedalus. The hives reached Atlantis and then the expidition facked the destruction of the city.
pardusian141 2 months ago
@pardusian141 And? They never attacked the city, did they? So how am I wrong? REWATCH AGAIN.
GortonMichael 2 months ago
who did the voice of captain caveman at the end? cool ;}
jonnydwelshboy 3 months ago
this is what happens when fanboys are allowed to talk to one another. bla,bla,bla(expletive Jerk!!!!) bla,bla and so there!!!! Please just go out doors have real fun detox from the boob tube for a year or so and you'll be just fine.
woofdogmeow 3 months ago
SG wins
977Sarah 3 months ago
@977Sarah Ori shots move too slow.
Idazmi7 3 months ago
die asgart hätten sie besiegt
I3loodcheck 4 months ago
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Stargate just got owned.
vulpixgrant 4 months ago
the Prometheus was such a sorry ass excuse for a starship.. rail guns and some missiles if it wasn't for the Asgard shields it would taken out by a pea shooter from earth..they needed some serious upgrades...the Daedalus class ships weren't much better again the Asgard gave it beaming tech and then the beam weapons that made it an actual warship...McKay's shield improvements were a big help
xadam2dudex 4 months ago
wtf?
vpr08 4 months ago
long live the goa`ulds
Sovjetski 4 months ago
ROFLMAO.... :P 6997 Nerds like this
darkskyblue1 4 months ago
Another thing, Even though there are manythings that repel plasma, the Asgard use a form of shield as well as the normal magnetic bottle which acts as an Armour piercing thing to let the plasma in and works its magic byebye enterprise, also We have naqudria enhanced nuclear warhead, destroys nigh indestructable stargate and anything else in a 100 mile radius.
LOL ROFL :) star trek got PWNED!
HaloDrwhoSG1SGASGU 5 months ago
@HaloDrwhoSG1SGASGU No it didn't. You forget that a single phaser blast for 1.3 seconds can obliterate a continent: that's an 15000 mile radius.
Idazmi7 5 months ago
@Idazmi7 umm, what ST episode did you see this in?
- that would require multi-gigaton levels of fire power, nothing that ST has ever been shown to posess if my memory serves me correctly.
As for the ST VS SG debate Trek fans it can be summed up quite nicely in favor of Stargate. A single BC-304 can travel 3 million ly in 2 weeks (4 day's with a ZPM) A single Intrepid class starship takes 65 years using conventional propulsion systems to travel 75,000 ly. Faster, and better ships = SG win
Jackneill45 4 months ago
@Jackneill45 Captain Kirk's ship, the original U.S.S. Enterprise, can cook planets easily, and has, multiple times. It also takes hits from planet-killing weapons on a fairly regular basis, yet the show preserves drama. Everyone forgets that one.
Idazmi7 4 months ago
@Jackneill45 Your memory Concerning ST Firepower does not serve you well, A 25 isoton photon torpedo explosion could destroy an entire city within seconds. (VOY: "Living Witness")
A 54 isoton yield gravimetric charge could blow up a small planet. (VOY: "The Omega Directive")
200 isotons was the explosive yield of a photon torpedo with a class-6 warhead. (VOY: "Scorpion, Part II")
slickyboy40 4 months ago
@Jackneill45 In addition the Old ST Did Have that Kind of Firepower, in the Episode "Obsession" Kirk and Garrovick beam down to the surface of the planet with the hemoplasm and Less than one ounce of antimatter, which has the explosive force of more than 10,000 cobalt bombs that would rip away Half the Planets atmosphere, Considering How small the Device was, Imagine a Full ounce, in each of 6 Photon Torpedos, fired at even something as Large as the Death Star.
slickyboy40 4 months ago
@slickyboy40 It is a well known fact that irl anti matter doesn't work quite like that. You need a 1 to 1 ratio of matter / antimatter for it to react. It is also quite apparent that a lot of the ST stuff from the original series was rectoned out of it when they started TNG, for example the Enterprise being able to make the 50,000 ly journy from the galactic rim to the galactic core in but a few episodes, and the USS Voyager taking 65 years to travel 75,000 ly.
Jackneill45 4 months ago
@slickyboy40 Also to inject some sanity into this discussion I've taken the liberity of preperaring some calculations to determin the top speed of the St ships and Stargate ships based on the distance that they travel, and how long it takes them to get there.
ST = .131 LY / Hour (Intrepid Class Top speed)
Stargate:
Without ZPM 6547 LY / Hour Daedalus
With ZPM 34375 Ly / Hour Daedalus Infact a Daedalus with one ZPM is 262,404 times faster than a Intrepid class starship.
Jackneill45 4 months ago
@Jackneill45 Captain Kirk did indeed go to the galactic core and back, and Voyager is well known to screw with Star Trek's tech continuity.
Try again.
Idazmi7 3 months ago
@Idazmi7 I know that, however from pretty much TNG, DS9, and Voy on the writers have set a standard for Federation ship speeds which were much slower than those from the original series, and the only times in Voyager that those were messed with was Quantum Slipstreem, the catapult, the Equinox's weird propulsion system, and the Transwarp drive that was stolen from the Borg. Each case had non-Federation tech used to enhance propulsion systems.
Jackneill45 3 months ago
@Jackneill45 So Star Trek ships are slower, and more powerful.
Idazmi7 3 months ago
@Idazmi7 lol, no. You can't have one without the other buddy. St ships are not more powerful. Star Trek weapons deal low megaton damage levels, not gigaton. Infact the episode that you were referencing proves my point, I will half to watch it again but I do believe it took a combined fleet of something like 30 to 60 ships hours to destroy the surface of a single Dominion planet where as a small number of BC-304's armed with Horizon weapon platforms and Mark 9's can do the same job in minutes.
Jackneill45 3 months ago
@Jackneill45 Yes I can have "one without the other" Star Trek weapons do much more in less time because they DO. Also, the Dominion planet was defended. The Romulans were unopposed, and blew away a third of a planet's crust in *one salvo* lasting 2 seconds.
Beat that.
Idazmi7 3 months ago
@Jackneill45 You never watched Star Trek's war episodes, did you? Battle of Omarion Nebula: Romulans blast an ENTIRE planet with standard weapons.
Idazmi7 3 months ago
@Idazmi7 they diden't destroy the planet, just the surface.
Jackneill45 3 months ago
Just because prometheus got blown up, it was the first Tau'ri ship built. The enterprise had centuries of experience or travel, and they are hardly that good, imean the Asgard motherships (old biliskners) coould take on 6 goa'uld MOTHERSHIPS with LIGHT DAMAGE. also the ancients have weapons in STANDARD outposts that Took out a fleet of 30+ MOTHERSHIPS. The asgard, ancients, tau'ri and the Ori could travel between galaxys in DAYS. also we have asgard plasma beams, roflestomp stargate wins :)
HaloDrwhoSG1SGASGU 5 months ago
@HaloDrwhoSG1SGASGU
Stargate vs Stargate = Stargate wins.
Stargate vs Star Trek = Star Trek wins. Apparently, phasers do even more damage than Ori weapons.
Idazmi7 5 months ago
Obviously you used Promethius because we have footage of it getting destroyed, but even without the Asgard beams, that ship had shields to withstand the enterprise all day.
kinkade0001 5 months ago
@kinkade0001 Like what?
Idazmi7 5 months ago
There isn't even a forcefield to keep the stargate people from blowing out into space! Star Trek had those ages ago.
Idazmi7 6 months ago
Star Trek is more or less the grandfather of modern sci fi so It's natural to see so much hate everybody wants to claim thier faves are the best. Just remember It's supposed to be fun the fi in sci fi, is short for fiction. Anyone can look at what's out there, make up thier own stuff with faster ships more powerful weapons more magical characters. It's not that big a deal.
MrKellG 6 months ago
Imo Stargate > Star Trek because of this simple fact:
Stagrate is so much more exciting. And don't tell me that I haven't seen all episodes from both franchises, because I have, except for DS9, because that is more boring than eating shit.
markotarma 7 months ago
Unrealistic. The technology in Stargate allows the ships in that universe to travel between galaxies, the shields are much more powerful.
In Star Trek, the technology allows travel within the sectors of one quadrant of the galaxy.
The Enterprise's weapons wouldn't be very effective against the shields of the Prometheus. That and the Asgard beam weapon that the Prometheus and Daedalus ships use would probably rip through the Enterprise, I mean they cut through Ori ships' Ancient tech!
HeraldDRoi 7 months ago
@HeraldDRoi i forgot about the Asgard tech...so really this video is too simple to really compare the two...honestly let's see here, we're talking about human beings who discovered warp tech and were then helped by the Vulcans, star trek...then humans who discovered gate travel to eventually be helped by the Asgard. So humans with Vulcan tech vs. humans with Asgard tech? Asgards win i think.
Poonard 6 months ago
@Poonard
The tech is way more advanced in Stargate, yeah. The Asgard travel back and forth between our galaxy and theirs all the time, but the races in Star Trek take months, years or even decades to travel across a single quadrant of the galaxy.
Significant difference in tech. I think Star Wars tech would probably stand a decent chance against Stargate's... until the Asurans or the Asgard join in on the fight.
HeraldDRoi 6 months ago
It's okay we beamed a replicator on board, bye federation
therookguy 7 months ago
@therookguy but the federation can replicate replicators lol
Poonard 6 months ago
In Star Trek the warp engines couldn't go to other galaxies, Voyager, one of their fastest ships had a hard time getting back to their quadrant of the galaxy..... the only time I can remember that a Trek ships left the galaxy was with help from a traveler, who enhanced the engines with his touch... or when Q was messing around with the Enterprise...
champion1642 8 months ago
How about Star Trek vs Stargate Replicators? gf Borg, Federation, ... maybe not Q ... but still. let's see the Q fight the ancients and ori? Oh, fun fun :D
zyrohnmng 8 months ago
I personally think that Star trek is overrated, Stargate deserves more credit.
TheSenkie 9 months ago
dude, gotta say, nice blending. ive often wondered what a 300 crewed promethius class would do against a 1000 crewed galaxy class. and as for the dude downstairs star trek tech is 300 years ahead of stargate ya nut lol
paladinrycheck 9 months ago
@paladinrycheck *cough* ancients are 1 million years more advanced than star trek *cough* Asgard are at least 5000 *cough* so are the wraith, oh and the Nox. What about those Ori? Hehe, just remember, Stargate is us joining a 1000 millenia evolution process of our galaxy where others are more advanced than the borg (replicators). Hehe oh yes, Replicators.
zyrohnmng 8 months ago
@paladinrycheck
And the stargate tech i copied from tech from beings that travelled between galaxies 50million years ago :)
From beings that started to ascend 50 million years ago.. from beings that could create artificial wormholes guess what? 50 million years ago :) where does that leave trek tech ? want me to keep going ... somewhere between 50 and 2 million years ago, they build ships that could travel through suns, and draw energy from it ..
lolwut112 8 months ago
@paladinrycheck
I'll continue from my previous post. The ancient CREATED life in atleast 2 galaxies that we know of, in their own image.
The Asgard, another advanced race, able to collapse a sun to create a black hole. time dilation. advanced cloning and what not. admitted that they had barly scrathed the surfuce of all the knowledge possed by the ancients .. comparing stargate tech with star trek tech, it's like comparing star trek tech with that of Lord of the Rings ..
lolwut112 8 months ago
@lolwut112 You seem to lack any knowledge on trek. Trek has genesis there is your create life. Funny that to compare the two you have to compare the most advanced Gate races to average races in Trek. Even the ascended would get beat down as the Q make them their bitch's. Trek the human races are capable of collapsing a star and destroying a entire system. Gate humans with their borrowed and stolen tech would be not match for trek humans, let alone any of the more advanced races. Gate tech LOL.
CES2M3 7 months ago
@lolwut112 ok you have a valid point. But your missing mine. What i meant was, the promethious still uses chemicaly powered weapons. yes the enterprise does as well namley thier torpedes. but the closest to enterprise tech that the promethius has is thier rail guns. but to add another point, i like both star trek and stargate. so i do ponder that big question. who's better? kirk or o'niell?
paladinrycheck 6 months ago
@paladinrycheck Macguyver or Hooker...
Poonard 6 months ago
lol. this is the passion talking, not the reason.
if it was about numbers and datas only, stargate technology is far more powerful than in star trek .
a vulcan would dislike this illogical video.
zecle 10 months ago
Why would the Enterprise attack another earth ship, they always open a hailing channel to anything they have not seen before and two they just try to cripple the ship.
DavidBCusumano 10 months ago
this is SOOOOOOOOOO what would happen maby.... ill make a custom class desined to kick stargate but! the vid will be up maby by the month Agest and i know i spelt that wrong! :)
ISSExcelsior2863A 10 months ago
nuclear weapons have been seen not to cripple a constitution class ship with it's shields reduced. So yeah, a galaxy class with out shields probably wouldn't survive...nut really, this is all assuming you can combine the technologies from the two universes. For all we know the 302 might just go splat on enterprises' startrek-style shields.
hertzfire 11 months ago
@hertzfire
Then consider of the nuclear weapons are enhanced with nagudah aswell? In Breachhead [9x06] they detonate a MultiGIGAton explosion ..
A 15 MEGAton explosion gives a crater of 2km.. That means the Gigaton explosion is ATLEAST 133,3 times as powerful .. The explosion gave enough energy to supply 70% of the engergi needed to expand a shield around an entire planet to collapse it and create a black hole.
lolwut112 11 months ago
Can't beam through the shields.
hertzfire 11 months ago
@hertzfire
fair enough i'll give you that one ... have F302 jump to hyperspace and exit with the shields, and fire a nuke (they did that against Anubis' mothership to destroy his advanded weapons)
lolwut112 11 months ago
this is actually accurate. The stargate ship shown, which appears to be a combination of shots from odyssey and prometheus, is nonetheless shown to have only earth weapons without the asgard additions; clearly inferior to the weapons of the . However, if one pits the the fleets of the entire universes of stargate and star trek against each other, i believe that it is nearly impossible to deduce the victor due to the large number of incredibly powerful ships seen in both universes.
hertzfire 11 months ago
@hertzfire
E, how do you figure in Odyssey? Odyssey is a F-304 Battlecruiser (same as Deadalus, Sun Tzu, Kolobnev, Apollo)
Don't forget, this could have just taken 2sec, Prometheus could have just beamed a Nagudah Enhanced Nuclear warhead aboard Enterprise.. and done, no more enterprise.. Plus, prometheus had Asgard shields. No way in hell they would fail that easy .. especially not considering how much of a beating it could take from Anubis.
lolwut112 11 months ago
I actually think stargate whould kick star trek's ass, STARGATE has more advanced weaponary (as long as it has asgard upgrades), not star trek.
TheBushImpersonator 1 year ago
@TheBushImpersonator More advanced Weaponary ??????????? Are you serious, how a PLASMA WEAPON could be more advanced than a PHASER. How missiles could be more advanced than a FOTON TORPEDO ? Man you are sleeping all theese years. WAKE UP !
mguimaraens 1 year ago
@mguimaraens Actually as shown in TNG plasma weaponry is very effective against Federation star ships and I would imagine Drone's are more advanced than PHOTON (please take note of the PH) torpedoes. Stargate ships are also proven to have very thick armour that a PHASER could probably not penetrate.
Narzul666 11 months ago
@Narzul666 Have some CULTURE before continuing speaking this BULSHIT.
1 -The plasma shot out of a plasma weapon would tend to dissipate in the surrounding environment within about 50 centimeters from the gun, from thermal and/or electric pressure expansion, called blooming
2-Many materials already exist that are highly resistant to plasma, reinforced carbon-carbon used on the Space Shuttle's nose cone for example; or the ceramic inserts used in bulletproof vests.
I Have more if you like.
mguimaraens 11 months ago
@mguimaraens.
1 - Phasers are phase shifting beams of energy and on the enterprise D the type X phaser array exerts about 4.1 MW of power which is enough to cut through the hull plating on any federation starship. Tau'ri ships from stargate use hull plating much thicker than that of Star Trek
2 - most human vessel in SG use Railguns which is a solid projectile launch at mach 10 (with minimal friction in space) these would be more than enough to pummel any federation ship into submission.
Narzul666 11 months ago