Another variant of the Sherman was the Jumbo with 8 inches of steel in the front. Few, too few of them. The Jackson (a TD M-36 bis 2) had a 90mm gun, and provided a surprise to several german tanks who thought themselves at a safe distance. Too few of them also. Combining them would have been interesting.
Oui c'est vrai. Les tigres et les panthers etaient les meilleurs chars de l'epoque alors on ne s'est pas fait prier pr les utilisez . Tout comme les u-boots et avions à reaction allemands.
@DonMeaker Only problem was, after 15 seconds the Sherman's shell would bounce off the Panther's armor, 30 seconds later once the Panther had finished turning, its shell would go clear through the Sherman. One on one the Sherman was no match - that's not how the war was won.
@Claesand That is not what Fritz Bayerlin said. He pointed out the weakness of the Panther: weak armor on top and sides, poor mobility in the hedge rows too slow to get on target. Creighton Abrams developed tactics that made good use of the Sherman's strengths, and protected against its undoubted weaknesses. He taught those tactics widely, and they worked. Patton taught operational methods which pushed the reliable sherman against weak German logistics. That is how the war was won in the West
@DonMeaker Yes, I was just making a point a bit too strongly. The point was that it would be wrong to say that the Sherman was universally superior to the Panther. I think the biggest problems the Allies had with the Panther was its penetration capability coupled with its accuracy and range. I seem to remember - although I should check it - that you can compensate somewhat for a slow turret simply by turning the chassi, sort of like a tank destroyer with a fixed main gun.
@Claesand That is true, but you must first communicate with the driver, get him to raise engine revolutions (which has a time delay) Then as the driver pivots, then again get the driver to slow his pivot, then compensate for the slowing pivot by adjusting the turrent slew rate again, and then track the target. Chassis slew is not as even, varying with different dirt that the tracks encounter. Certainly Panther had useful characteristics, but tracking moving targets at close range was a weakness
@DonMeaker Just a quick little pointer here , one forgets the British inclussion of a 17 pounder on the Sherman , the Firefly . The only western allied tank that could penetrate German armour at a reasonable distance . No allied tank was capable of taking on the panzers , however they had numbers on their side . It was in fact the massive Russian offensive on June 22nd '44 - Op. Bagration- which eventually led to the collapse of Germany on all fronts .
@dafydd67 Bagration was significant, as was Citadel and Stalingrad before. If Stalingrad was significant, so was the loss of North Africa. Italy used up 18 German divisions. Normandy also ate up much German armor, as did the Ardennes. Check Arracourt, which showed much of the German advantage was that they were fighting defensively. Arracourt shows that without numerical advantage German panthers were able to be stopped without benefit of numbers.
I love the sound of a Maybach engine
ToonandBBfan 2 months ago
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@unravelled1962 Sure, I like the colour scheme, but atleast they could have removed the tools and spear tracks when they painted it.
You also don't leave your car windows exposed when you're spraypainting it.
That's my opinion
13fafo 11 months ago
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@unravelled1962 Sure, I like the colour sheme, but atleast they could have removed the tools and spear tracks when they painted it.
You also don't leave your car windows exposed when you're spraypainting it.
That's my opinion
13fafo 11 months ago
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@unravelled1962 Sure, I like the colour sheme, but atleast they could have removed the tools and speartracks when they painted it.
You also don't leave your car windows exposed when you're spraypainting it.
That's my opinion
13fafo 11 months ago
@unravelled1962 Sure, I like the colour sheme, but atleast they could have removed the tools and spear tracks when they painted it.
You also don't leave your car windows exposed when you're spraypainting it.
That's my opinion
13fafo 11 months ago
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13fafo 11 months ago
@unravelled1962 I like the color sheme but atleast you can take of the tools and spare tracks when hey painted it. That's my opinion
13fafo 11 months ago
Criiiicrouiiiiicricricricircrouiiiiiiiii Ahahahaha !
leukat11 1 year ago
Wow, listen to her purr!
TheNewCommissar 1 year ago
Der Klang vom Maybach ist einmalig.....^^
LeChar1989 1 year ago
A fearsome beast in its day. It is still a beautiful machine!
DArcher1999 1 year ago
Schönes Teil 1A aufgebaut echt klasse.
wlts83 1 year ago
The tank is great, but I only don't like the paint job.
(Look at the spare tracks and tools on the side)
13fafo 1 year ago
Notice how the Germans named their fighting vehicles after big cats? Tigers, Panthers, Pumas, Leopards.
thegoosebrain 1 year ago
@thegoosebrain Then all of the sudden , they name the biggest tank "Maus".
nsx4life2008 1 year ago
Another variant of the Sherman was the Jumbo with 8 inches of steel in the front. Few, too few of them. The Jackson (a TD M-36 bis 2) had a 90mm gun, and provided a surprise to several german tanks who thought themselves at a safe distance. Too few of them also. Combining them would have been interesting.
DonMeaker 1 year ago
Nice tank
gamerkid1177 1 year ago
Incroyqable ça fonctionne encore .....
8sacramento8 1 year ago
Oui c'est vrai. Les tigres et les panthers etaient les meilleurs chars de l'epoque alors on ne s'est pas fait prier pr les utilisez . Tout comme les u-boots et avions à reaction allemands.
AdmiralVonSpee 2 years ago 2
c'est vrai que l'armée française a utilisé ces chars jusqu'à l'année 1955? quelqu'un m'a dit qu'il y avait une centaine d'eux en service
Shtickman2008 2 years ago 2
Das ist doch die späte A Ausführung mit Sehschlitz und MG Kuppel oder? Ich komme da immer durch einander XD
KnorpelDelux 2 years ago
einer der besten panzer damals und immer noch mein favorit
schöner panzer
moeis88 3 years ago 2
Einer der besten?^^
KnorpelDelux 2 years ago 5
Ja..eine Legende.Und dazu in "Russlandtarnung".1a+
Kapauz67 3 years ago 3
what a wonderfull tank i like german tanks there are the best !!
staberv8 3 years ago 20
They took 45 seconds to turn the turrent, compared to the Sherman which took only 15 seconds, AND had stabilized guns.
DonMeaker 2 years ago
@DonMeaker But a Panther's shell was twice as powerful as a Sherman's and they were both 75mm.
jakefree25 1 year ago
@DonMeaker Only problem was, after 15 seconds the Sherman's shell would bounce off the Panther's armor, 30 seconds later once the Panther had finished turning, its shell would go clear through the Sherman. One on one the Sherman was no match - that's not how the war was won.
Claesand 1 year ago
@Claesand That is not what Fritz Bayerlin said. He pointed out the weakness of the Panther: weak armor on top and sides, poor mobility in the hedge rows too slow to get on target. Creighton Abrams developed tactics that made good use of the Sherman's strengths, and protected against its undoubted weaknesses. He taught those tactics widely, and they worked. Patton taught operational methods which pushed the reliable sherman against weak German logistics. That is how the war was won in the West
DonMeaker 1 year ago
@DonMeaker Yes, I was just making a point a bit too strongly. The point was that it would be wrong to say that the Sherman was universally superior to the Panther. I think the biggest problems the Allies had with the Panther was its penetration capability coupled with its accuracy and range. I seem to remember - although I should check it - that you can compensate somewhat for a slow turret simply by turning the chassi, sort of like a tank destroyer with a fixed main gun.
Claesand 1 year ago
@Claesand That is true, but you must first communicate with the driver, get him to raise engine revolutions (which has a time delay) Then as the driver pivots, then again get the driver to slow his pivot, then compensate for the slowing pivot by adjusting the turrent slew rate again, and then track the target. Chassis slew is not as even, varying with different dirt that the tracks encounter. Certainly Panther had useful characteristics, but tracking moving targets at close range was a weakness
DonMeaker 1 year ago
@DonMeaker Just a quick little pointer here , one forgets the British inclussion of a 17 pounder on the Sherman , the Firefly . The only western allied tank that could penetrate German armour at a reasonable distance . No allied tank was capable of taking on the panzers , however they had numbers on their side . It was in fact the massive Russian offensive on June 22nd '44 - Op. Bagration- which eventually led to the collapse of Germany on all fronts .
dafydd67 1 year ago
@dafydd67 Bagration was significant, as was Citadel and Stalingrad before. If Stalingrad was significant, so was the loss of North Africa. Italy used up 18 German divisions. Normandy also ate up much German armor, as did the Ardennes. Check Arracourt, which showed much of the German advantage was that they were fighting defensively. Arracourt shows that without numerical advantage German panthers were able to be stopped without benefit of numbers.
DonMeaker 1 year ago