Helaman's 2000 Stripling Warriors - Book of Mormon Evidence

[MrBigbear6718]

why do you have faith in people who did not exist. Put your faith in Jesus your creator who is from the beginning to the end

[TrickTrolan]

@kramd1 If only we had more proof to show you, that you might finally believe...eh...who needs FAITH anyways! It's overrated! *sigh*

[kramd1]

The book of mormon not only omits any verifiable geographical locations , but also the architecture, plants and animals native to mesoamerica are not described or mentioned i.e. Bison, Jaguars, Turkeys , python, sloth,armadillo, monkeys , racoon, Tapir, ,Quetzal birds. are not mentioned.

what is mentioned however ; Horses, elephants,sheep, cows, wheat , swords,chariots...............­........are not found.

DNA evidence is also not supportive of the claim.

[breezwonder]

Evidence? Hmmm lets see I'm watching, I'm watching ummm Nope, no evidence!

[FUwogs]

this sounds like lord of the rings when Legolas and his elven brothers stand with the humans in definence of Saruman and his dark lord....wonder if that really happened too?

[LDS4Life71]

@FUwogs No it sounds like the book of Mormon, ANOTHER TESTAMENT OF JESUS CHRIST.

So Glad I KNOW it's TRUE and authentic part of ancient meso america.

[Tejaswrex]

The story of the stripling warriors is about as real as us talking about the bravery of two short dudes taking a magic ring to dump a ring in a volcano to take out the greatest evil the world has ever seen.

[sumguynamedking]

i don't think saying that good mothers are a good thing does anything to prove that this story has any historical validity

[TheLessMon]

If emotionally re-telling a story is "evidence," then me reading to my kids at night is "evidence" that Rumpelstiltskin was a real person.

[FUwogs]

@TheLessMon lol

[ESNWindows]

generally I don't comment on stuff like this. But evidence varies from person to person. I've noticed that no matter how much "proof" you give someone they'll never believe if they're not open for it. So this is the most powerful kind of evidence, faith. Edison wouldn't have made the lightbulb if he didn't believe he could do it. I believe I've seen plenty of "evidence" for the LDS faith that is far more convincing, but it still doesn't prove J.S. had his vision. You can only pray to know that.

[chords7]

If this video is evidence of the BofM where is the evidence, outside the LDS, of the existence of a group called the Stripling Warriors? Other than the Spaulding manuscript.

If there is no evidence of these Stripling warriors isn't this really two false claims using circular logic to support each other? A false claim build to support a false claim. The circle never ends.

[chords7]

It seems we have a far different meaning of the word evidence. People talking with music in the background is not evidence. It is just simply people talking with mood music. Evidence is archeological proofs that support the BofM. Like finding tangible proof of horses in America during that period.

[Wylume]

@chords7 If you do your research you will find they are now finding remains of horses that date back to 400 BC. Now whether or not they were used for riding and for battle I don't know. I do know this that the only error within the Book of Mormon is done through the error of man and not of God. This book is true and the only thing that can make one doubt this truth is through that person's pride and lack of understanding. This you have my word and my testimony in this life and the next.

[chords7]

@Wylume I have done my research and found no evidence to the supporting claims in the Book of Mormon. The book is not supportable; it is spurious at best.

"the only thing that can make one doubt this truth is through that person's pride and lack of understanding." This is far from the truth.

My word and my testimony in this life and the next is that the book of Mormon is false and people will be damned by its claims, except the parts plagiarized from the Bible.

[omiolo]

When Mormon died he passed his record on to his son Moroni. For the next several decades Moroni kept adding to the plates until, before his own demise, he buried them as his father had done.

[omiolo]

Some Mesoamerican-proponents have suggested that Moroni may have taken the plates to the New York hill as a resurrected being. The angel Moroni took the plates away from Joseph once the translation was finished, so it certainly seems reasonable that he -- as an angel -- could have deposited them near Joseph's home as well.

[omiolo]

In a previous article I pointed out that the hill in New York known as Cumorah was probably not the Cumorah of Book of Mormon times and that the name was likely given to the New York hill by early Latter-day Saints.

[omiolo]

As explained last week, the Book of Mormon model for a Mesoamerican geography has -- like virtually all scholarly models -- a handful of anomalies or potentially problematic issues. One of those areas of concern legitimately asks how the golden plates could have been dug out of the ground in upstate New York, if Book of Mormon events took place in Mesoamerica.

[kramd1]

Helaman's 2000 Stripling Warriors - Book of Mormon Evidence

where is the evidence as the title suggests ?

[broxxx1138]

I sat through all the videos of this channel ........there is no evidence...this are stories and comparisons not hard evidence like artifacts or records .....so im wondering how these people who obviously are not retarded,still believe this BS..... mathew 7:15 anyone?

[omiolo]

What the world really needs is courageous parenting from mothers and fathers who are not afraid to speak up and take a stand.

[LDS4Life71]

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[bdplist]

Look at an Example teachers Manual

ALL U NEED IS ART!

Materials needed:

a. The PICTURES Jesus Praying in Gethsemane (PICTURE 4 in the picture section of the manual; 62175; Gospel ART PICTURE KIT 227); The Crucifixion (62505; Gospel ART PICTURE KIT 230); Burial of Jesus (62180; Gospel ART PICTURE KIT 231); The Resurrected Jesus Christ (PICTURE 9 in the picture section of the manual; 62187; Gospel Art Picture Kit 239).

You need TRUTH it is found in Jesus Christ He said JN 14:6 I AM the TRUTH

[omiolo]

Surely one of the greatest purposes of life is to reach out to others? If we love, we have achieved all that is at the core of existence? If we don't love, then all the obedience in the world is worth very little. 'Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am nothing'! (Paul).

[omiolo]

Paul’s counsel, “Be thou an example of the believers,” applies equally to members. Most have not been and may never be full-time missionaries. But all can be member missionaries. That statement reminds me of a report of a humorous event. On a large playing field at a missionary training center, a sign was posted. It read, “Missionaries only!” People who also wanted to play on that field posted a new sign of their own. Their sign read, “Every Member a Missionary!”

[omiolo]

They, just as many generations before them, embarked in the service of God to “serve him with all [their] heart, might, mind and strength.” 9 Missionary service has helped to shape their divine destiny.

[kramd1]

Another mormon video espousing evidence and they present absolutely none.

[solomanspaming]

mormons aren't christian, they have inverted pentagrams on their temples, gordumb hinkley said in 1998 the jesus mormons believe in is not the Jesus of the bible, they are white supremacists, and only allowed blacks in because the gov't threatened to take away their tax-exempt status, and joseph smith was involved in glass looking, he was arrested in 1826 for conning people saying he could seek burried treasure by putting his face in his hat. google it.

[vcomp1960]

@solomanspaming Other than being a great con man, Smith was a great guy!

[bdplist]

@sol U sed "mormons aren't christian, they have inverted pentagrams on their temples"

Look at the background they chose to present this so called "evidence" there it is. Right in front of PAGAN murals of a society & religion that practices HUMAN SACRIFICE!

In addition they must use art work as AIDS to Worship such as the paintings from the Churches ART MISSIONARIES since they have NO artiFACTS they use ART to aid VIVID IMAGINATIONs!

Go to many museums see artFACTS go to the LDS museum see ART!

[hamletisastud]

whoa now, can't we all just get along? there are lots of things to consider when talking about God's commandments. just as long as we all do our best to obey and do what is right, right?

so anyway, i totally love the story of the stripling warriors and their mothers :) they're pretty much awesome.

[awolLDSasap]

Mothers faces leading the young strapping warriors into battle who probably missed sacrament meeting to go kill people? Didn't Christ say turn the other cheek?

[potato212]

@awolLDSasap

Did you ever read the Bible? Why did Christ clear the temple? Why did God command the Israelites in 1 Sam 15 to destroy the Amalekites and leave none of them alive? Some things are worth fighting for, namely defending family and freedom, but only when it is God's command.

[awolLDSasap]

@potato212 You need to move out of the Old and into the New Testament. Jesus gave us new commandments to love God and love one another. In these 2 commandments rest all of the commandments. Jesus presented the serverity of just thinking about sin. If you hate your brother, you have commited murder. If you lust, you have commited adultery. How is it possible to be forgiven of sin? Living the laws and ordinances? No! Living the word of wisdom? Nope!. In Christ alone, the sin is forgiven.

[LDS4Life71]

Don't judge this book by its cover or by what you might think you know about it. Take some time to read it. We have read it numerous times and are posting topics here to help you as you read. As Herbert Spencer once said, “There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance – that principle is contempt prior to investigation.”

[bdplist]

@LDS4Life71 LOOK at yourself you practice what you preach!

"contempt prior to investigation"

U NEED JESUS CHRIST! CTR

[MALDITTOROKKERO]

oh i was wrong on this one. what the mornons are doing nowadays is "approving" the comments..... is this right?? some of the mormon videos oh youtube need to be "apporoved" by the mormons! can you believe it!

MORMONS = MASTERS OF EXCUSES

[cbritton11]

@MALDITTOROKKERO : You see it on both sides. I've responded to many religious and non-religious youtube videos and many of them require approval. I'm ok with that otherwise you'll get a lot of bigoted or off the cuff stupid responses that have nothing to do with civility and genuine discussion, and everything to do with attempting to make a point that does not really matter. Kind of like your post.

[MALDITTOROKKERO]

@cbritton11 it took 3 weeks for you to respond. if my post really doesnt matter, why did you respond?? maybe you need to hear how joseph smith "translated" the book of mormon by putting his head in a hat and i think it's ridiculous. maybe you'll give me some of the "meat" and not the milk???!!!! ;) how did the mormon leaders got all the mormons believing the gold plates story is true? just wow!! am i an anti-mormon? please tell me if im lying about the head in the hat! LOL

[cbritton11]

@MALDITTOROKKERO I was just browsing and ran across your post. The hat thing is no secret and has been taught and part of church history since the beginning. Sorry it took you so long to find out. Do tell how the leaders got all the mormons to believe in the golden plates. I'm a big fan of mormon history. My favorite books are Rough Stone Rolling and No Man Knows My History. Facinating reads. I don't think you're anti. Just not a very civil debater. That's all. Regards

[MALDITTOROKKERO]

@cbritton11 LOL i never said this head in a hat story was a secret! most mormons dont know that jo smith supposedly "translated" the book of mormon this way, and when mormons hear about it, they tell me im making stuff and that im just trying to make the "church" look bad with RIDICULOUS stories.(the head in a hat ofcourse) when i prove to them that this lame story is in their mormon books..LOL the excuses are just fun! oh and i do like fairytales too! lord of the rings is my favorite. ;)

[cbritton11]

@MALDITTOROKKERO You just mentioned the head in the hat like it was the smoking gun to bring down Mormonism. I have no problems with how the translation took place with the seer stone. Why did Jesus use mud to heal a blind man? To us it seems to make no sense. Look, from the beginning of time (Adam and Eve) if we read the Bible the Lord has always worked in "mysterious" ways. Half the things in the Bible are at least twice as, shall we say, unusual as LDS miracles. Show me the smoking gun.

[MALDITTOROKKERO]

@cbritton11 "smoking gun" it should be the smoking gun!! and im amazed how people can believe it's true. but it's not just this story! there is the hill cumorah story, the gold plates... man!! the mormon "church" was openly racist not too long ago.(1978) for the racist part, mormon leaders say it wasnt the "prophets"! they say it was GOD the racist one. can you imagine god saying "YOU CANNOT ENTER MY CHURCH FOR THE BLACK SKIN I GAVE YOU"

of course god would never say that. excuses? you tell me

[cbritton11]

@MALDITTOROKKERO All of your replies show that you know NOTHING about the church's doctrine or history. I can't debate someone who swears that 2+2=5. Sorry to waste your time. Your Brother, CB.

[MALDITTOROKKERO]

@cbritton11 im guessing you didnt like the fact that is useless trying to defend your "church"(or come up with excuses) knowing that there is really no excuse for the mormon racist ways. and me thinking 2+2 = 5?? really!!!??? im not the one who tells 2 different stories about the gold plates!! the mormon members tell 2 stories about hill cumorah, you know why there are different stories and not just ONE TRUE story... because mormonism is an obvious lie!! and you're fine you didnt waste my time

[cbritton11]

@MALDITTOROKKERO Yep, you got me, that was it. Or maybe it was more like talking with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. You can't reason with a sycophant. Blessings to you. CB

[MALDITTOROKKERO]

@cbritton11 yes this was like chatting with a "sycophant" and a blind one who cant see straight ;) thank you for the chat

[LDS4Life71]

@cbritton11 MALDITTOROKKERO is a complete lost fool. I have had several converstations, and he continues to spew rhetoric. He is NOT a christian, and he is NOT born again. God bless you for being patient with him.

[P2BT808]

@cbritton11 omg MALDITTOROKKERO is totally lost huh? lol don't worry there will always be people like him who try to degrade the true church and the saints(US nd everyone else)...CTR!!! ;)

[MALDITTOROKKERO]

is this another vid where mormons have to "aprove it" ??? i gues it is

[CompOfHall]

While this did have some very nice messages I was hoping it would have some evidence like the other videos do.

[LDS4Life71]

This video is part of the DVD "Journey of Faith."

I bought it and my whole family has seen it.

The book of Mormon is a witness of the divinity of the Saviour JESUS CHRIST!

[omiolo]

Other speakers included Elder Paul V. Johnson, commissioner of the Church Educational System, and BYU-Idaho President Kim B. Clark.

[omiolo]

"May God bless you as you now 'commence' a new and exciting life," he said. "May you stay close to the Church, for it is your best friend. May you determine to live the Gospel and remain true to your covenants. May you live happy and productive lives. And may it be said of you one day, as it was of of Sir Robert Shirley, that you did the 'best of things in the worst of times and hoped them in the most calamitous.' "

[omiolo]

It is through being optimistic, applying oneself, denying oneself and not taking shortcuts that individuals can progress, Elder Hinckley said.

[LDSapologist71]

Present day apostles of Jesus Christ testify of the Savior's power to heal, change, and purify us through His Atonement.

[awolLDSasap]

REV. 2 : 2 "I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars"

[awolLDSasap]

Daniel chapter 11

"And in those times there shall many stand up and shall 'exalt' themselves to establish the vision - and he shall exalt himself and magnify himself - and he shall plant the tabernacles (temples)

[awolLDSasap]

Jeremiah chapter 23 -

"In the latter-days ye shall consider it perfectly. I have not sent these prophets - I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied - I have heard what the prophets said that prophesy lies in my name" -

[awolLDSasap]

Only if you're worthy and keep the commandments can a person gain a blind faith in a non existant people.

[moparmonster1965]

Haitians, unlike nephites and lamanites, actually exist.

[amaxamon]

I love this story from the BOM. I don't believe in JS or in any Gods, but there are some wonderful tales in BOM & this is one of them.

[LDSapologist71]

This video is wonderful and inciteful as to the origins of the Maya people.

This is a video clip of the DVD "Journey of Faith"

Been for sale 2 years now, and I seen it on clearance for less that $17 including shipping to my home. From FAIR and FARMS bookstore.

I encourage LDS members and NON LDS members to watch it and investigate. It is amazing what archaeology and anthropology is discovering around El Mirador.

[rbvmtr]

the NEphites , the lamanites , and the Mayan's lived together at the same time .

[LDSapologist71]

The mayans came later. The Nephites existed during Pre classic Mayan history.

[rbvmtr]

@LDSapologist71

Maybe but still the Mayan Culture may have been last but still many lamanites would have been it around and part of or faught against them while the Nephites making strongholds to the north northeast fighting till the last man stood

[moparmonster1965]

Unfortunately, only one of those three groups actually existed. Care to guess which one?

[awolLDSasap]

Lost Jews? Are any American Indians heading back to Jerusalem?

[rbvmtr]

Why ? Did Pat Roberson convince them because of their D.N.A. to move back ?

[awolLDSasap]

Nope. The lds church seems to think that native Americans are Jews. If they were Jewish they would travel back to Jerusalem to be among the gathering of the lost tribes of Israel.