Research into the Universe in the present now makes quit a few of those old theories wrong thinking. New evidence is and will always pop up regarding everything as our awareness becomes greater and greater. Also as our procedures and understanding of the sciences become more understood. Look at what Quantum Mechanics is doing to us now. New theories abound now that more is understood.
Just because you can't do it...you've never seen it, you never experienced it doesn't mean it has never been. Has anyone ever witnessed in the center of the Earth the spinning sphere of iron plasma. No... There's no evidence that there is one either. Just scientific speculation and conjecture.... If you haven't experienced it and there's no evidence it aint there. The machines that say it's there are the same as someone saying there is such a thing as OBE's.
Whenever I make spaghetti sauce, I see God swirling around in the sauce. If I add parmesan cheese, it looks just like it is snowing in heaven. Well... sort of.
Persinger's experiments are simply closing down the biochemical brain so that the locus of awareness shifts to a parallel body. (The magnetic fields cause what are equivalent to temporary brain lesions.) Persinger is therefore proving (not disproving) that parallel bodies exist with his experiments and that we can sense presences (that are not currently measurable by scientific instruments) through these bodies when specific circuits in the biochemical brain are temporarily shut down.
Those are the words of somebody who has never bothered to study quantum mechanics, but continues to have blind faith in a belief system. You're no different to a Catholic priests telling his followers that all things are explainable through God. Do your research - we do not live in an objective reality.
My deceased uncle haunts my aunts house and when I wanted to get rid of her ghost, he was so pissed that he banged on the window. She was barely walking into her house and there was nobody home, explain that with your damn helmet. Scared the crap out of me and never did I try to get rid of him.
ok...i was baptized and jesus forgave my sins and i had a 180 degree turn my craving for cigerates parished, prayers getting answers the fruits of the spirt are alive in me every day zoo sorry
Law: 3. a generalization that describes recurring facts or events in nature; < Word Monkey Dictionary. The problem with logic and human reasoning is it's only as good as the human that's doing it.
In the practice of law theories, reasonings = doubt. Logic is used to infer one fact from another, that's called "circumstantial". Logically Casey Anthony murdered her daughter, but whe was aquitted, see?
How many scientific journals are you currently subscribed to?
Starting at 8 minutes, dfpolis #22, begins outlining several perturbation studies. Jeffrey Long's book Evidence of the Afterlife is an invaluable resource in understanding life after death experinece. He has a webby: NDERF doht org - I'm one of the people who had an OBE. Back in 1999. Dennis Polis Ph.d physics is my 1st recommended channel. He has a whole series of videos logically presented & themed alike. Peace. He's 70yr
@shizzleman8 I asked you to site the peer reviewed journal that his worked was published in, you haven't and that's no surprise to me. I didn't think it existed, but when you have it let me know.
@Moh5Itachi1 Dean Radin has THOUSANDS of peer reviewed articles. Peer review doesn't change the data. Dean Radinn Ph.D is the leader in psychokinesis. The fact that you haven't heard of him before and don't understand the science or how to find peer reviewed articles is a YOU problem not a me problem.
You're only implicating yourself in your own complicity. If you were subscribed to a scientific journal you'd already know who he was. "Why haven't I heard of him before now?" < Exactly!
@Moh5Itachi1 Raden & Nelson (1989): - 832 experiments by 68 investigators on control of random number generators. They subjected the results to meta-analysis. The mean effect of subjects trying to control the outcome: - effect size 32/100,000 random numbers. The odds of this due to being random variation are 1 in 24,000. Radin & Ferrari (1991) 152 studies by 52 investigators on control of 2,592,817 dice thows, effect size 72.3/10,000 odds of 1 in 19,400, + 94 more zeros. I'm not arguing.
@Moh5Itachi1 WHAT IS a foundational element of logic and human reasoning? You're statement is unclear as to what you're addressing. Vague. Who, what, where, when, why, in what way and by what means. See my commment addressing the science of random number generation and it not being so random? I've presented you with names and dates, and outcomes. You can dig for the where and the why. It took me awhile just to understand what a random number generator was. WATCH THE VIDEO!
@shizzleman8 Site your paper why do you keep dancing around it. If the next comment you make isn't ''here's the paper that proves my point'' then I'm done with you. It's very clear that this paper you speak of doesn't exist.
@Moh5Itachi1 I'm telling you about MILLIONS of experiments over the last 65 years and you're asking me for a "paper" OR ELSE? How can the hard evidence I'm providing reconcile with your a priori assumption that it doesn't exist? You started off telling me this God Helmet proves that this is what people experience when they die. Where's the paper that says this is the dying experience? Examing Psychokinesis: The Interaction of Human Intention with Random Number Generators A Meta-Analysis < K?
@shizzleman8 'I'm telling you about MILLIONS of experiments over the last 65 years and you're asking me for a "paper" OR ELSE?''
You didn't site the paper gee i wonder why. As for my sources i can easily point to them.
Ehrsson study
University of Southampton study in 2008
And here's an actual paper.
De Ridder D, Van Laere K, Dupont P, Menovsky T, Van de Heyning P. Visualizing out-of-body experience in the brain. N Engl J Med. 2007 Nov 1;357(18):1829–33.
There are currently 90+ random number generator labs running around the world today. No amout of experiments can be done to contradict the findings.
It's a common practice to exchange one event for another. It's impossible to study death with the use of a helmet. It's just not the same experience. One happens when a person is dead and one when not. It's like trying to measure the effects alcohol has on the brain of a person who drank once when they were a teen and hasn't since.
500+ miilion people have died (not put a helmet on) gone to heaven and then been resuscitated and recounted lucide organized experiences. Most of these people died on the operating table during surgery. The drugs, like PROPOFOL are not hallucinogenics.
Do you want to be cut open while you're on Ecstasy? Didn't think so.
@shizzleman8 ''500+ miilion people have died (not put a helmet on) gone to heaven and then been resuscitated and recounted lucide organized experiences.''
You clearly didn't watch this video and it;s a shame you didn't. What this video shows is that under certain conditions the brain does really weird things. Dying or having a near death experience is one of them. It all comes down to the brain, there's nothing supernatural about these 500+ million experiences.
@Moh5Itachi1 Most people who actually die and are resuscitated do so from the operating table where they were previously put under using anesthesia. There's also the people born blind and deaf who see and hear for the first time after they leave their bodies following heart and brain failure. CPR is bringing people back from clinical death. No one here is requiring CPR with the "God Helmet", because they're not dead. People are struck by lightning and frozen to death and resuscitated. Peace
@shizzleman8 ''There's also the people born blind and deaf who see and hear for the first time after they leave their bodies following heart and brain failure.'' I would like to see the source of this claim but even if it's true again it's all in the brain.
'No one here is requiring CPR with the "God Helmet", because they're not dead. '' Don't know what your getting at here. What the god helmet demonstrates that given certain conditions the brain can do strange things, not magic.
@Moh5Itachi1 Dean Radin Phd. Psychology, and physicist did a top secret experiment for the U.S. Navy on perturbation research (psychokinesis). Most of the study has been declassified. Pear labs and Dean Radin's Global Consciousness Project have been experimenting with & researching randon number generators going back 65 years. The meta-analyzed results have proven telekinesis/psychokinesis beyond a rational doubt. The U.S. Supreme court and legislative bodies of the world notice God. ( ;8~D)
@Moh5Itachi1 Dean Radin Phd. Psychology, and physicist did a top secret experiment for the U.S. Navy on perturbation research (psychokinesis). Most of the study has been declassified. Pear labs and Dean Radin's Global Consciousness Project have been experimenting with & researching randon number generators going back 65 years. The meta-analyzed results have proven telekinesis/psychokinesis beyond a rational doubt. The U.S. Supreme court and legislative bodies of the world notice God. ( ;8~D)
@shizzleman8 ''I would like to see the source of this claim but even if it's true again it's all in the brain.'' I think you missed this part, but since you insist on it.
Link the scientific study plz and don't just send me to someone's blog. I want the actual scientific journal in which it was peer reviewed and published so i can read it for myself.
@Moh5Itachi1 Forgot to address my last comment to you. I'm not as old or as nice as my friend, but I wish you the very best. I was your age once and even though I started out in the ministry I quickly went to work for my Dad's 27 Finance Companies. Money and the law. My friend and I are from different worlds. His academic, mine whatever works in reality. I understand the natural processes of what's happening to the brain with the God Helmet, but consciousness isn't as easy to understand.
I use to have alot obe I use to start off by putting my t.v on timer relax then fall asleep later I hear t.v click off then my brain awakes I then move my legs then the rest of my body,float around the room, then things started to get out of hand. One day I try it again, I heard voices I awoke looked at my radio but plug was pulled out, went back to sleep the it felt aire as then I heard a devil like voice I was sared as hell!! It started to get harder to awake from obe. I use to be sared to go
@runner176 No, just because you can replicate something doesn't meant it doesn't exist.
It's like saying just because we can replicate the experience of getting poked by needles by a machine like this that it must mean that there are no such things as needles!
Just because you know how the light turns on, and can replicate it through other means, doesn't mean there is no such thing as light.
@14sJakeB190 You're right. My dad turned down the rank of admiral in the U.S. Navy and he knew an admiral who was on board (Commanding Officer) an aircraft carrier that was visited by an alien ship. My dad's friend wasn't the only one who saw it. Same with Roswell New Mexico. THE AIR FORCE released the story to the associated press about an alien crash site and recovered alien bodies (I'm pretty sure) and THEN recanted and said it's a weather balloon. WE were all wearing "God Helmets" 8)
I had my first OBE while I was asleep at my grandmother's house. I suddenly became conscious, I didn't move a single muscle, nor I wished to do so. I was just calm...so I just "moved" out of my body, and there I was. Standing next to my physical body, looking around the room. Then, I spotted 3 or 4 golden bright light orbs, around my head and chest. They somehow told me that they were protecting me from anything bad. Then I returned back into my body.
What about people who have had out of body experiences only to wake up and verify what they supposedly saw? Or reports of people seeing things after being pronounced clinically dead? Trying to explain paranormal hallucinations with neurological stimuli can't account for experiences where people actually saw things in the real world, therefore it's not refuted. Talk about half assed.
@ManchuDan22 No, maybe they TRIED to show that, but since this experiment can't account for the examples I mentioned, it fails to refute it entirely. Maybe if YOU hadn't missed the point of my comment you would've understood that yourself, instead of mindlessly assuming everything beyond science's grasp is automatically an illusion because closed minded fools like you aren't open to other possibilities.
Persinger is simply finding external ways to open up the circuitry of the brain that God created that has the capacity to reveal the reality of the spiritual world. Ordinarily, much interaction with God or assault from a demonic source whilst 'in the body' would be in part facilitated through the temporal lobe (plug in point for the human soul - eye consciousness). Manipulating the 'Sensed Prescence', brain chemistry etc. will merely become a game for the modern shaman/oracle in the future...
@Jehu30 "reveal the reality of the spiritual world" REALLY?? You can watch this video and say "reality of the spiritual"? Do you understand what a contridiction that is?
@ManchuDan22 It doesn't bother me what Persinger thinks is taking place - all the other reading I have done fully convinces me he has simply found a medical method of opening up the particular brain circuitry that the human soul/spirit interfaces with between the body & the kind of realm God showed Elisha & Elijah. The encounters he is eliciting in his patients line up NDE's as well, & in those cases individuals have come back with knowledge they couldn't possibly have attained in the normal.
@ManchuDan22 For eg.A man living in Texas (later became a Christian minister) had an NDE, with a lot of the kooky visions that Persinger rattles on about -he came back to consciousness after being put in the hospital morgue -1 or 2 days later. He then advises hospital staff of a baby who had been crying constantly in a neonatal ward that it had a broken bone (arm?) & was right about it. This stuff is all interrelated. I am not contradicting myself at all, I'm just a little further down the road.
@ManchuDan22 A spiritual world isn't contradictory just because your confused pathetic mind can't make sense of the idea. Stop wrongfully touting this video as the end-all-be-all word, as if finding content that preaches to the choir of your bullshit beliefs make them any less falsified.
@baconmoo32@baconmoo32 OOOH, did I hurt your sad little feelings?? Are you so weak and insecure as to be scared of the real world, and you just can't get by without a made-up fantasy world? Some silly delusion that you are actually important to the universe and you can’t understand why YOU are so meaningless.
Of course, anyone above the age of 8 that has Sponge Bob as a favorite on their home page must NEED some serious maturing.
@ManchuDan22 Only someone with an IQ of 8 would think repeatedly insisting what you can't grasp is fake will make the world actually match your retarded beliefs of it. Your views are too negatively biased to represent truth. The sad part is you falsely accuse others of delusion when it's so obvious you're the confused moron who's projecting descriptions of his bleak, pathetic life onto reality. Since intelligence obviously can't convince you, go become a ghost and prove it to yourself. :)
@baconmoo32 HOW PATHETIC! “I believe it, so it must be true”! YOU are just one more SELF-HATING moron who has no education or wisdom, who can only parrot the stupidity that has been shoved into that empty space between your ears. You have NO “intelligence” to use, because you have NO PROOF of any of the absurd claims. BUT YOU just keep supporting those witch doctors & pervert priests, who love getting your money. You STINK of fear and self-loathing, which is obviously well justified!
@ManchuDan22 As mad as wasting time on a total idiot is I still dont hate myself for it. I know you cant get a real education, but believing one less thing than people wont make you less retarded just for claiming to agree with subjects that you have no clue about. You're nothing but a mindless spineless little puppet who concedes the fact that you're too stupid to figure anything out and blindly obeys what smarter people than you force-feed in your shit-speck brain like a good little slave boy.
@ManchuDan22 You're a lazy sackless incompetent bag of shit with less intelligence than the mold on my toilet, who cant even muster the tiny amount of mental strength to research his senseless beliefs and lets other not mentally challenged people do it for him. If you're so interested in proof here's a suggestion: instead of living aimlessly in denial, projecting your stupidity and hypocritical blind faith, go fall face first into some heavy traffic and personally meet the God you wish you knew.
If you want to know how these experiences occur, how a soul floats outside a body, then read 'God Stopping A Nuclear War'.
The first chapter explains it. The rest of the book is a gift.
Interested parties, powerful ones, are hiding information about God from the public. If you knew the truth then all the social engineering going on today would be impossible for them.
If you believe this stuff to be real then you should go and start some research on it, it would revolutionise the world, it really would.
If you give Mr Shermer valid reasons and evidence then he will change his mind, or james randi or any other skeptic
The real problem seems to be that people believe this stuff but cant prove it....which unfortunately lumps it into the same category as Souls, Ghosts, Spirits, Aliens, pyshics, astrology, etc
@shandcunt It's not true that if you give Mr. shermer valid reasons he would change his mind. He is SET on disproving this and that's the way he works. He only looks for evidence against. There already ARE documented experiments proving the validity of OBE, such as people going into another room and observing others, and reporting afterwards what they saw. The careers of these people became marginalized, which is why no one pursues this kind of research and why only the "against" is ever heard.
This is a great example of science refusing to believe that anything outside of matter exists. How would they account for me leaving my body when I was lying in bed, going downstairs to see my sister making noodles, eventually waking up in my body again, going downstairs for REAL, and see my sister eating noodles. There are SCADS of such reports. People have traveled thousands of miles sometimes, and seen a loved one or friend doing something that was later corroborated.
I love how people call it out of body experience, as if to presume we are inside our body to begin with. We extend to the deepest voids of the universes and everyone thinks we're here, in our body. The brain is a machine which communicates to our consciousness, which is not in the brain. Activity generated to the brain with technology simply affects the computer, which we conscious beings witness. I disbelieve this exists at all, this man can make millions off a drugless trip machine if it does.
I don't understand, when people have these experiences they weren't being stimulated with magnetic helmets. So how does this prove anything? Also, what these people say is just subjective. There is no proof they didn't experience the results because they were influenced by the scientist, and there's no proof these are the same experiences other people have had, which scientists are trying to debunk.
in a near death experience people are not dreaming. they are awake consciously as if with their body. in a out of body experience people are not dreaming and electric stimuli of the brain will have no effect since the brain activity is nearly or completely stopped. ever heard about religious resurrection of jesus christ? its the same thing.
If you are interested in the brain and its relationship to the human consciousness - you should read Dr. Pim Van Lommel`s book "Consciousness beyond life - The Science of the Near-Death Experience"
The experiment failed. First, Shermer isn't a valid test subject because he is biased, believing science will explain all. But what is worse, he failed to experience the "floating, pleasantness and spinning" that was to supposed to happen. When the test was designed to produce evil, frightening stuff, Shermer didn't see the devil, aliens or hell. Shermer claims he might have had an out-of-body experience, but that's not what the test was designed to produce! He's a moron.
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sorry but he's wrong about aliens...we cant be alone in this seemingly infinite universe, and we are not...at least scientists say...I LOL AT HIS GUY...about the alien part lol...
@1DreamWarrior Ya - check out Advanced Tutorials on the home site - there is a section on it specifically - I would recommend it highly - there are some good online sources for it I can show you if int
@1DreamWarrior can you please help me out you seem to know alot about this stuff and im trying to have an OBE. and was wondering how long does it take the average person to get to the vibration stage iv tryed a few times but i just cant seem to do it.
@mabsucksshit Fair game - you are attempting what is called a direct transition or WILD method which, to be honest, is a little more advanced. I would try an indiect method with a WBTB (see Inductions on my home site)
Av time to hit first LD with good effort - under a month. If you are looking to jump quicker you could cheat - check out the Red Pill on my home site - it's pretty much guarnateed to work on one or two attempts
Skeptics are always gonna be skeptics. I believe in aliens but that's only because I've seen enough evidence of UFOs (specially more recently thanks to YouTube) Yes we see things and its only happening in our head but just think about this: we are ALL humans and no matter what, a human cannot explain how this universe works and whats real and not..for all I know were hovering on a perfect circular ball with black empty space all around us.
They need to conduct some real science and let the people who experienced real OBE's to try the " god " helmet. They are the only ones who have the experience to make corrolations.
Shermer says the helmet "duplicates out-of-body experiences, near-death experiences, alien abductions, and other paranormal phenomena." But watch as he tries to morph his sensation into something he didn't experience. He's not a scientist, and he failed to experience any of the sensations the experiment was designed to induce.
Notice how Shermer keeps trying to morph his unusual feelings into an out-of-body experience. But listen carefully to what the scientist said the pulses were supposed to produce: "floating, pleasantness, and spinning." Shermer is wrongly interpreting his experience to fit his pre-conceived notion of what he believes the experiment was supposed to induce.
The experiment failed. First, Shermer isn't a valid test subject because he is biased, believing science will explain all. But what is worse, he failed to experience the "floating, pleasantness and spinning" that was to supposed to happen. When the test was designed to produce evil, frightening stuff, Shermer didn't see the devil, aliens or hell. Shermer claims he might have had an out-of-body experience, but that's not what the test was designed to produce! He's a moron.
one too and she told me that she saw her and that she told her she would get a call at 5pm telling her that someone has seen her too and will call her and tell her. now science explain that
i have had out of body experince (i know i cant spell) but it was of a girl that just died and i had a giant crush on her, and she had a twin sister and when i had this exerince i saw the girl that just died and i told her that i liked her a lot and she told me that god has a plan but she told me to call a number at exactly 5 pm i had never heard or seen this number before i felt like i was gone for hours but when i came back it iwas 5 min so i call the number and it was her sister and she had..
oh - and this is nothing like an OBE. it's happened twice to me in my life. this just isn't what it's like. not remotely. nor would any technology capable of either triggering or simulating any 'paranormal' experience either prove or disprove the 'reality' of said experience. trite as it sounds, we can't even know if we're living a dream. i just don't see the point of this.
meh. this is a little like using a whistle to disprove a bird. EVERY experience, technically, is 'all in our head'. the only issue is whether other people can also 'see' what you 'see'. shermer is kind of a hack. sorta like, the reverse image of a birthday party magician. kinda lame.
This is so stupid. Any time anyone is afraid of anything science jumps on it and soothes us saying "Don't worry, it's all in your head" Why can't people just have the balls to face their fears? We really are just children.......
This only proves the you can "simulate" these experiences. With enough probing you could probably produce pain or pleasure by stimulating areas of the brain. Does this mean that pain and pleasure do not exist? If you prove how paper is made, does that mean books have no meaning? Skeptics are always trying to prove a negative, then when they are stumped say "well you can't prove a negative." It's a potentially interesting carnival ride, at best.
@SeeingPatterns. We can indeed stimulate pain and pleasure... it does not mean they don't exist. They exist, as experiences, not as external entities.
This shows OOBE's also exist, *as experiences*, i.e they tell us about the brain, rather than the world 'out there'
Given that dreams are so weird, and assuming dreams are an experience generated within the brain - what is more likely; that God, Astral Planes or Ghosts really exist, or that they are justanother awesome product of the brain? :)
@AxisMundiOnline Ya I'm kinda buying that notion in that the brain is ceratinly essential to computing the experiences of our world(s). Perhaps consider a more flexible model whereby the brain acts as a biological tuning device taking information in and processing it rather than synthesising it and hence the electrical activity recorded in REM may indicate processing as well as synthesising? We do create SOME of the dream but all of it - ask a lucid dreamer and you might be suprised??
Hmm, I don't think it is. I've been a OOBE'r and Lucid Dreamer for more than 10 years. This to me is the most plausible explanation based on what I know... what other explanation can I have? TBH, I think it's the more open minded option. Most people I meet are closed and dismissive to any idea that isn't supernatural...THATS narrow minded. :) xx
It's completely possible that one "OOBE'r" is actually just lucid dreaming while another is actually traversing the Astral Plane. I think you would like to read the book "Travels" by Michael Crichton (he's also the author of Jurassic Park). He describes his experiences with the phenomena, which are incredibly interesting.
@AxisMundiOnline By saying' product of the brain', seems you're implying this 'existence as experince' is 'dreamlike', a creation of the mind', hence 'not objective', not 'real. 'Reality' is obtained thru the senses and 'created' by the brain the same way. OBEs show that consciousness can be separated from the body and perceive 'objective reality' in remote locations- patients have described doctors procedures while in a coma. UFOs are not a product of the brain, neither are they 'physical ET
@AxisMundiOnline In this area, I'm somewhere in the middle. You could say that OOBEs are just brain experiences. But, the experiences you have in "real life" while awake and "aware" every day are just brain experiences. If someone put your brain in a pot, and stimulated it the same way it is being stimulated now, you'd experience the same exact thing.
Is is possible that all experiences are equally valid? I think there are many frequencies in which we can experience reality.
There is a lot of debate on this subject, one side employing scientific deduction and the other conjecturous hiersay. Though there is a subjective experience to be had by the participant of these episodes and I can offer my own there is very drafted mathematical biological equivalent episodes concurrently occuring, the same mechanisms we use to dream and observe our waking reality.
Where is the debate guys, its all simple biology!!??
Proof is probably an over rated commodity so I hear your point of view but we must, by the same token be able to offer some kind of contextual platform of discussion that adheres to some kind of consistent frame of reference which stipulates the need for some kind of model based reality which can be impartially observed by various independent observers. Otherwise we lend our views to no more than conjecturous hiersay so experience albeit wonderful is not a credible platform to explore on
By electrically stimulating certain areas of the brain you can activate memories so vivid as to be indistinguishable, to the subject, from the experience itself. This does not refute the reality of the event being recalled: or does it?
Hi. I am so glad and proud of the commenters. i recently realized anything can be disected and explained, and has an "anatomy" or activity (that can be scientifically explained)...AND THAT DOESN'T answer / explain the larger importance...of...what it REALLLY is or why it is. yes. this "world" / dimension (?) obviously exists, and your science only actually helps prove it's actually there...rather than "disprove" !
@susapultura the only reason things can be dissected and explained is because eventually our minds will pick some reasonable answer for us to see. if you keep delving further into atoms and subatomic elements, you will never find the "smallest" element of matter. what explains this? well, thats because anything and everything is possible and what we see is what we truly expect to see in our unconscious mind. youre all trapped in the prison of your minds constantly finding "rational" explanations
@susapultura seek and you shall find. most people want rational explanations. at the heart of all this is a truly rational explanation: nothing is real but consciousness
TELL YOUR GUARDIANS-ANGELS-DEMONS TO PRAY WITH YOU HOLY MARY-ROSARY AND YOU WILL GET PROOF THAT OOBE IS DEMONIC AND IT WILL DESTROY YOU-YOUR ETERNAL SOUL!!!
Actually I must disagree with the good Dr administering the test. Introducing these waves is unlocking the brain to be able to experience things it could not when we are conscience. Sitting in perfect dark and silence like that is like meditation and its basically a sense deprivation room but with an added affect. Much like hallucinogens open up a world we could not see before under normal circumstances. Out of body experiences are real there is no way they are imagined....
I am not saying he is right or wrong. But, dreams can simulate that I went fishing, that doesn't mean that there is no such thing as going fishing. What if the pulses are just triggering the same things that would be triggered if it really happened. This is silly logic that because you can simulate something that it can't ever happen for real. "The existence of wigs is not the disproof of hair".
@LincolnWorld The difference here is in the eccentricity of the claims. OBE exponents claim that there exists an "astral plane" to which "immaterial souls" ascend after the brain dies. Your analogies aren't nearly as powerful as you seem to think, as we know that things like hair and fishing exist, whereas the "OBE'er's" claims aren't even close to established facts. I have to say, I detest specious arguments like yours because they manage to win over credulous "supernatural" enthusiasts.
@LincolnWorld Of course it can happen without the helmet. it does happen everyday caused by emotional stress., drugs or diseases. What this experiment proves is that the brain is malfunctioning when it does happen and what is felt is not real. No goblins, gods, Jesus, elves or aliens. No fictional characters of any sort. Oh, by the way, you don't have a mind separate from the brain or a soul so no afterlife either. Death is final and nothing can exist without detectable energy : again no god.
Nobody said this is proof that paranormal (things?) don't exist; however, it is an explanation for how these people could have these experiences without encountering anything paranormal. So no, not absolute proof, but it certainly cuts away at the credibility of these testimonials...
Exactly! The brain has all sorts of states. Doctors still argue over depression - i.e. did the brain's neurochemistry become faulty thus triggering depression, or did being depressed for prolonged periods of time trigger the brain's neurochemistry to change? When you're happy, the brain shows it. Smells, memories, pain and pleasure can ALL be triggered by manipulating the brain. Scientists understand FAR too little to be making the assertion that "it's all in the brain." They look like buffoons.
@LincolnWorld well if something can be explained with a logical explanation then why go for something completely against all the physical laws and science that we know work, if we show that your brain can actually simulate these things, its i think a better explanation than seeing a real angel out of your body in some other part of the universe. no offence tho nything is possible hehe
@acidlabz I would say I don't believe it, I just don't deny it.. ;]] calling me stupid is inappropriate just because of my mOsspells and few misStakes, in fact I speak 4 languages (not sure about you), so please take my apologies for imperfect spelling of English.. you are grown up man as I see in your profile and to be honest I was really surprised.. ..but why surprised?.. hmm.. GROWN UP is not a fact that MAN will be very bright ;]]
Why is he saying it creates illusion? How is he sure that the brain is not just stimulated and therefore more sensitive and capture things that normally is not able to. I don´t believe that is the case though, but I think you should ask your self. Aleister Crowley, famous occultist said that demons are parts of the brain, that work in your subcounsciouness. When you invoke a demon, you are invoking a hidden part of yourself. That is what he said.
That is really the problem I think. We can't really tell if we are just "imagining" the experience, or if we really are just picking up things with our senses that we could not before. If we can ever figure out a way to prove which is happening, then that will solve the mysteries.
Research into the Universe in the present now makes quit a few of those old theories wrong thinking. New evidence is and will always pop up regarding everything as our awareness becomes greater and greater. Also as our procedures and understanding of the sciences become more understood. Look at what Quantum Mechanics is doing to us now. New theories abound now that more is understood.
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Machines are known to be wrong just like people. You just gotta trust what you gotta trust.
MichaelinArizona309 1 week ago in playlist Favorite videos
Just because you can't do it...you've never seen it, you never experienced it doesn't mean it has never been. Has anyone ever witnessed in the center of the Earth the spinning sphere of iron plasma. No... There's no evidence that there is one either. Just scientific speculation and conjecture.... If you haven't experienced it and there's no evidence it aint there. The machines that say it's there are the same as someone saying there is such a thing as OBE's.
MichaelinArizona309 1 week ago in playlist Favorite videos
Whenever I make spaghetti sauce, I see God swirling around in the sauce. If I add parmesan cheese, it looks just like it is snowing in heaven. Well... sort of.
tammyterry 2 weeks ago
look up the groundbreaking work of Dr Thomas Campbell. We are consciousness.
joemoe23 4 weeks ago
Persinger's experiments are simply closing down the biochemical brain so that the locus of awareness shifts to a parallel body. (The magnetic fields cause what are equivalent to temporary brain lesions.) Persinger is therefore proving (not disproving) that parallel bodies exist with his experiments and that we can sense presences (that are not currently measurable by scientific instruments) through these bodies when specific circuits in the biochemical brain are temporarily shut down.
eMathSpace 4 weeks ago
@eMathSpace : OH MY GOD. Has stupidity no limits?
MrAquinoflavio 2 weeks ago
This is materialist dogma. Not everything in our Universe is explainable through conventional physical means.
HueyTheDoctor87 1 month ago
@HueyTheDoctor87 : yes it is. Or will be. Eventually.
MrAquinoflavio 2 weeks ago
@MrAquinoflavio
Those are the words of somebody who has never bothered to study quantum mechanics, but continues to have blind faith in a belief system. You're no different to a Catholic priests telling his followers that all things are explainable through God. Do your research - we do not live in an objective reality.
HueyTheDoctor87 2 weeks ago
@MrAquinoflavio ok explain why the hell are we here
DStrike0083 6 days ago
My deceased uncle haunts my aunts house and when I wanted to get rid of her ghost, he was so pissed that he banged on the window. She was barely walking into her house and there was nobody home, explain that with your damn helmet. Scared the crap out of me and never did I try to get rid of him.
ambsie0 1 month ago
pray to jesus plz...
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johnelijahwood 1 month ago
These people need Jesus
MicDizzle2 1 month ago
@MicDizzle2 I can feel Jesus in my ball sack
theBartone9119 1 month ago
ok...i was baptized and jesus forgave my sins and i had a 180 degree turn my craving for cigerates parished, prayers getting answers the fruits of the spirt are alive in me every day zoo sorry
slicksmitty1 1 month ago
Law: 3. a generalization that describes recurring facts or events in nature; < Word Monkey Dictionary. The problem with logic and human reasoning is it's only as good as the human that's doing it.
In the practice of law theories, reasonings = doubt. Logic is used to infer one fact from another, that's called "circumstantial". Logically Casey Anthony murdered her daughter, but whe was aquitted, see?
shizzleman8 1 month ago
How many scientific journals are you currently subscribed to?
Starting at 8 minutes, dfpolis #22, begins outlining several perturbation studies. Jeffrey Long's book Evidence of the Afterlife is an invaluable resource in understanding life after death experinece. He has a webby: NDERF doht org - I'm one of the people who had an OBE. Back in 1999. Dennis Polis Ph.d physics is my 1st recommended channel. He has a whole series of videos logically presented & themed alike. Peace. He's 70yr
shizzleman8 1 month ago
@shizzleman8 I asked you to site the peer reviewed journal that his worked was published in, you haven't and that's no surprise to me. I didn't think it existed, but when you have it let me know.
Moh5Itachi1 1 month ago
@Moh5Itachi1 Dean Radin has THOUSANDS of peer reviewed articles. Peer review doesn't change the data. Dean Radinn Ph.D is the leader in psychokinesis. The fact that you haven't heard of him before and don't understand the science or how to find peer reviewed articles is a YOU problem not a me problem.
You're only implicating yourself in your own complicity. If you were subscribed to a scientific journal you'd already know who he was. "Why haven't I heard of him before now?" < Exactly!
shizzleman8 1 month ago
@shizzleman8 ''It is a foundational element of logic and human reasoning''
And yet you can't seem to site one confirming your argument, why is that?
Moh5Itachi1 1 month ago
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@Moh5Itachi1 Raden & Nelson (1989): - 832 experiments by 68 investigators on control of random number generators. They subjected the results to meta-analysis. The mean effect of subjects trying to control the outcome: - effect size 32/100,000 random numbers. The odds of this due to being random variation are 1 in 24,000. Radin & Ferrari (1991) 152 studies by 52 investigators on control of 2,592,817 dice thows, effect size 72.3/10,000 odds of 1 in 19,400, + 94 more zeros. I'm not arguing.
shizzleman8 1 month ago
@Moh5Itachi1 WHAT IS a foundational element of logic and human reasoning? You're statement is unclear as to what you're addressing. Vague. Who, what, where, when, why, in what way and by what means. See my commment addressing the science of random number generation and it not being so random? I've presented you with names and dates, and outcomes. You can dig for the where and the why. It took me awhile just to understand what a random number generator was. WATCH THE VIDEO!
shizzleman8 1 month ago
@shizzleman8 Site your paper why do you keep dancing around it. If the next comment you make isn't ''here's the paper that proves my point'' then I'm done with you. It's very clear that this paper you speak of doesn't exist.
Moh5Itachi1 1 month ago
@Moh5Itachi1 I'm telling you about MILLIONS of experiments over the last 65 years and you're asking me for a "paper" OR ELSE? How can the hard evidence I'm providing reconcile with your a priori assumption that it doesn't exist? You started off telling me this God Helmet proves that this is what people experience when they die. Where's the paper that says this is the dying experience? Examing Psychokinesis: The Interaction of Human Intention with Random Number Generators A Meta-Analysis < K?
shizzleman8 1 month ago
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@shizzleman8 'I'm telling you about MILLIONS of experiments over the last 65 years and you're asking me for a "paper" OR ELSE?''
You didn't site the paper gee i wonder why. As for my sources i can easily point to them.
Ehrsson study
University of Southampton study in 2008
And here's an actual paper.
De Ridder D, Van Laere K, Dupont P, Menovsky T, Van de Heyning P. Visualizing out-of-body experience in the brain. N Engl J Med. 2007 Nov 1;357(18):1829–33.
Moh5Itachi1 1 month ago
There are currently 90+ random number generator labs running around the world today. No amout of experiments can be done to contradict the findings.
It's a common practice to exchange one event for another. It's impossible to study death with the use of a helmet. It's just not the same experience. One happens when a person is dead and one when not. It's like trying to measure the effects alcohol has on the brain of a person who drank once when they were a teen and hasn't since.
shizzleman8 1 month ago
Xgaax u do need help how long u being doing it 4???
274sao 1 month ago
HI I NEED HELP ................... ALL MY DREAMS IS IN OBE WHY IS THAT AND MY IMAGNASHIN IS IN OBE HELP MY IS THES NORMAL
xgaax 2 months ago
500+ miilion people have died (not put a helmet on) gone to heaven and then been resuscitated and recounted lucide organized experiences. Most of these people died on the operating table during surgery. The drugs, like PROPOFOL are not hallucinogenics.
Do you want to be cut open while you're on Ecstasy? Didn't think so.
shizzleman8 2 months ago
@shizzleman8 ''500+ miilion people have died (not put a helmet on) gone to heaven and then been resuscitated and recounted lucide organized experiences.''
You clearly didn't watch this video and it;s a shame you didn't. What this video shows is that under certain conditions the brain does really weird things. Dying or having a near death experience is one of them. It all comes down to the brain, there's nothing supernatural about these 500+ million experiences.
Moh5Itachi1 1 month ago
@Moh5Itachi1 Most people who actually die and are resuscitated do so from the operating table where they were previously put under using anesthesia. There's also the people born blind and deaf who see and hear for the first time after they leave their bodies following heart and brain failure. CPR is bringing people back from clinical death. No one here is requiring CPR with the "God Helmet", because they're not dead. People are struck by lightning and frozen to death and resuscitated. Peace
shizzleman8 1 month ago
@shizzleman8 ''There's also the people born blind and deaf who see and hear for the first time after they leave their bodies following heart and brain failure.'' I would like to see the source of this claim but even if it's true again it's all in the brain.
'No one here is requiring CPR with the "God Helmet", because they're not dead. '' Don't know what your getting at here. What the god helmet demonstrates that given certain conditions the brain can do strange things, not magic.
Moh5Itachi1 1 month ago
@Moh5Itachi1 Dean Radin Phd. Psychology, and physicist did a top secret experiment for the U.S. Navy on perturbation research (psychokinesis). Most of the study has been declassified. Pear labs and Dean Radin's Global Consciousness Project have been experimenting with & researching randon number generators going back 65 years. The meta-analyzed results have proven telekinesis/psychokinesis beyond a rational doubt. The U.S. Supreme court and legislative bodies of the world notice God. ( ;8~D)
shizzleman8 1 month ago
@Moh5Itachi1 Dean Radin Phd. Psychology, and physicist did a top secret experiment for the U.S. Navy on perturbation research (psychokinesis). Most of the study has been declassified. Pear labs and Dean Radin's Global Consciousness Project have been experimenting with & researching randon number generators going back 65 years. The meta-analyzed results have proven telekinesis/psychokinesis beyond a rational doubt. The U.S. Supreme court and legislative bodies of the world notice God. ( ;8~D)
shizzleman8 1 month ago
@shizzleman8 ''I would like to see the source of this claim but even if it's true again it's all in the brain.'' I think you missed this part, but since you insist on it.
Link the scientific study plz and don't just send me to someone's blog. I want the actual scientific journal in which it was peer reviewed and published so i can read it for myself.
Moh5Itachi1 1 month ago
@Moh5Itachi1 Forgot to address my last comment to you. I'm not as old or as nice as my friend, but I wish you the very best. I was your age once and even though I started out in the ministry I quickly went to work for my Dad's 27 Finance Companies. Money and the law. My friend and I are from different worlds. His academic, mine whatever works in reality. I understand the natural processes of what's happening to the brain with the God Helmet, but consciousness isn't as easy to understand.
shizzleman8 1 month ago
I use to have alot obe I use to start off by putting my t.v on timer relax then fall asleep later I hear t.v click off then my brain awakes I then move my legs then the rest of my body,float around the room, then things started to get out of hand. One day I try it again, I heard voices I awoke looked at my radio but plug was pulled out, went back to sleep the it felt aire as then I heard a devil like voice I was sared as hell!! It started to get harder to awake from obe. I use to be sared to go
274sao 2 months ago
This would be as Awesome durg.....
sirgrundel 2 months ago
want OBE ? take DMT !
ThePredator1911 2 months ago
@ThePredator1911
where to get it ?
vwasic 2 months ago
@vwasic depending where you live, you can probably order it via internet.. you just need to do a little research
ThePredator1911 2 months ago
@ThePredator1911
so can you help me in my research :) ?
vwasic 2 months ago
@vwasic You can make it yourself. You extract it through plants. It's kind of complicated but anyone can do it.
14sJakeB190 2 months ago
yea i saw the tunnel with the light at the end, but not angels or anything like that...
Volboneron 2 months ago
So basically thier telling me there is no life aftee death and everthing is a lie?
runner176 2 months ago
@runner176 no that is not. its really hard to explain in typing what it means
TheAceofNate 2 months ago
@runner176 No, just because you can replicate something doesn't meant it doesn't exist.
It's like saying just because we can replicate the experience of getting poked by needles by a machine like this that it must mean that there are no such things as needles!
Just because you know how the light turns on, and can replicate it through other means, doesn't mean there is no such thing as light.
14sJakeB190 2 months ago
@14sJakeB190 You're right. My dad turned down the rank of admiral in the U.S. Navy and he knew an admiral who was on board (Commanding Officer) an aircraft carrier that was visited by an alien ship. My dad's friend wasn't the only one who saw it. Same with Roswell New Mexico. THE AIR FORCE released the story to the associated press about an alien crash site and recovered alien bodies (I'm pretty sure) and THEN recanted and said it's a weather balloon. WE were all wearing "God Helmets" 8)
shizzleman8 2 months ago
I had my first OBE while I was asleep at my grandmother's house. I suddenly became conscious, I didn't move a single muscle, nor I wished to do so. I was just calm...so I just "moved" out of my body, and there I was. Standing next to my physical body, looking around the room. Then, I spotted 3 or 4 golden bright light orbs, around my head and chest. They somehow told me that they were protecting me from anything bad. Then I returned back into my body.
semintesicola 2 months ago
@semintesicola That is just your pineal gland or your "third eye" producing dmt.
TheAceofNate 2 months ago
DEMONS ARE ALL IN THAT ROOM JUST BOOSTING THIS UP
777WilliamJackson 2 months ago
@777WilliamJackson Calm down you faggot
Darius12235 2 months ago
This IS REAL MISLEADING TO ANYBODY THAT DOES NOT KNOW CHRIST.. WHEN HE FEELS THE FLAMES IN HELL TELL ME IS THAT IN THE BRAIN TOO??
777WilliamJackson 2 months ago
What about people who have had out of body experiences only to wake up and verify what they supposedly saw? Or reports of people seeing things after being pronounced clinically dead? Trying to explain paranormal hallucinations with neurological stimuli can't account for experiences where people actually saw things in the real world, therefore it's not refuted. Talk about half assed.
baconmoo32 2 months ago
@baconmoo32 Boy, you really missed the point of the whole story!! Watch it again and see if you can understand what they are showing.
There is ONLY the real world, there is NO "other world", what you perceive is only what your brain provides you.
ManchuDan22 2 months ago
@ManchuDan22 No, maybe they TRIED to show that, but since this experiment can't account for the examples I mentioned, it fails to refute it entirely. Maybe if YOU hadn't missed the point of my comment you would've understood that yourself, instead of mindlessly assuming everything beyond science's grasp is automatically an illusion because closed minded fools like you aren't open to other possibilities.
baconmoo32 2 months ago
According to this,is the OoBE experience or astral projection just an illusion???
x46lmk 3 months ago
Persinger is simply finding external ways to open up the circuitry of the brain that God created that has the capacity to reveal the reality of the spiritual world. Ordinarily, much interaction with God or assault from a demonic source whilst 'in the body' would be in part facilitated through the temporal lobe (plug in point for the human soul - eye consciousness). Manipulating the 'Sensed Prescence', brain chemistry etc. will merely become a game for the modern shaman/oracle in the future...
Jehu30 3 months ago
@Jehu30 "reveal the reality of the spiritual world" REALLY?? You can watch this video and say "reality of the spiritual"? Do you understand what a contridiction that is?
ManchuDan22 2 months ago
@ManchuDan22 It doesn't bother me what Persinger thinks is taking place - all the other reading I have done fully convinces me he has simply found a medical method of opening up the particular brain circuitry that the human soul/spirit interfaces with between the body & the kind of realm God showed Elisha & Elijah. The encounters he is eliciting in his patients line up NDE's as well, & in those cases individuals have come back with knowledge they couldn't possibly have attained in the normal.
Jehu30 2 months ago
@ManchuDan22 For eg.A man living in Texas (later became a Christian minister) had an NDE, with a lot of the kooky visions that Persinger rattles on about -he came back to consciousness after being put in the hospital morgue -1 or 2 days later. He then advises hospital staff of a baby who had been crying constantly in a neonatal ward that it had a broken bone (arm?) & was right about it. This stuff is all interrelated. I am not contradicting myself at all, I'm just a little further down the road.
Jehu30 2 months ago
@ManchuDan22 A spiritual world isn't contradictory just because your confused pathetic mind can't make sense of the idea. Stop wrongfully touting this video as the end-all-be-all word, as if finding content that preaches to the choir of your bullshit beliefs make them any less falsified.
baconmoo32 2 months ago
@baconmoo32 @baconmoo32 OOOH, did I hurt your sad little feelings?? Are you so weak and insecure as to be scared of the real world, and you just can't get by without a made-up fantasy world? Some silly delusion that you are actually important to the universe and you can’t understand why YOU are so meaningless.
Of course, anyone above the age of 8 that has Sponge Bob as a favorite on their home page must NEED some serious maturing.
ManchuDan22 2 months ago
@ManchuDan22 Only someone with an IQ of 8 would think repeatedly insisting what you can't grasp is fake will make the world actually match your retarded beliefs of it. Your views are too negatively biased to represent truth. The sad part is you falsely accuse others of delusion when it's so obvious you're the confused moron who's projecting descriptions of his bleak, pathetic life onto reality. Since intelligence obviously can't convince you, go become a ghost and prove it to yourself. :)
baconmoo32 2 months ago
@baconmoo32 HOW PATHETIC! “I believe it, so it must be true”! YOU are just one more SELF-HATING moron who has no education or wisdom, who can only parrot the stupidity that has been shoved into that empty space between your ears. You have NO “intelligence” to use, because you have NO PROOF of any of the absurd claims. BUT YOU just keep supporting those witch doctors & pervert priests, who love getting your money. You STINK of fear and self-loathing, which is obviously well justified!
ManchuDan22 2 months ago
@ManchuDan22 As mad as wasting time on a total idiot is I still dont hate myself for it. I know you cant get a real education, but believing one less thing than people wont make you less retarded just for claiming to agree with subjects that you have no clue about. You're nothing but a mindless spineless little puppet who concedes the fact that you're too stupid to figure anything out and blindly obeys what smarter people than you force-feed in your shit-speck brain like a good little slave boy.
baconmoo32 2 months ago
@ManchuDan22 You're a lazy sackless incompetent bag of shit with less intelligence than the mold on my toilet, who cant even muster the tiny amount of mental strength to research his senseless beliefs and lets other not mentally challenged people do it for him. If you're so interested in proof here's a suggestion: instead of living aimlessly in denial, projecting your stupidity and hypocritical blind faith, go fall face first into some heavy traffic and personally meet the God you wish you knew.
baconmoo32 2 months ago
Couldn't sensory deprivation produce these effects? Where is the control group without the simulation?
aresres 3 months ago 2
Rubbish propaganda.
LucifersArgument 3 months ago
Its called the Ganzfeld effect...
mckt007 3 months ago
magnets man
how do they work?
darris321 4 months ago
If you want to know how these experiences occur, how a soul floats outside a body, then read 'God Stopping A Nuclear War'.
The first chapter explains it. The rest of the book is a gift.
Interested parties, powerful ones, are hiding information about God from the public. If you knew the truth then all the social engineering going on today would be impossible for them.
mikeymensa 4 months ago
Smoking weed helps too.
ksthebest 4 months ago
2:43
Easy rider.
Leaveitago 4 months ago
so this guy wants to prove that after he dies he won't be experiencing anything else? eternal soul? how pessimistic.
MonkeySpecs301 4 months ago
@thebehtbeht I dont mean this to be insulting but that sounds a lot like
"I hooked up with all those gurls aye, but dont ask em, they'll jst deny it"
Going back to my earlier comment:
"If you believe this stuff to be real then you should go and start some research on it, it would revolutionise the world, it really would."
Can you do a video response to this or provide the link to the resource?
shandcunt 4 months ago
well done disinformation!
Liofle 4 months ago
Jst a quick comment for whoever reads this;
If you believe this stuff to be real then you should go and start some research on it, it would revolutionise the world, it really would.
If you give Mr Shermer valid reasons and evidence then he will change his mind, or james randi or any other skeptic
The real problem seems to be that people believe this stuff but cant prove it....which unfortunately lumps it into the same category as Souls, Ghosts, Spirits, Aliens, pyshics, astrology, etc
shandcunt 4 months ago
@shandcunt It's not true that if you give Mr. shermer valid reasons he would change his mind. He is SET on disproving this and that's the way he works. He only looks for evidence against. There already ARE documented experiments proving the validity of OBE, such as people going into another room and observing others, and reporting afterwards what they saw. The careers of these people became marginalized, which is why no one pursues this kind of research and why only the "against" is ever heard.
thebehtbeht 4 months ago
theres only one problem: all the people who had those encounters didnt have a fucking electromagnetic helmet on...
BennyTheDirector 4 months ago
This is a great example of science refusing to believe that anything outside of matter exists. How would they account for me leaving my body when I was lying in bed, going downstairs to see my sister making noodles, eventually waking up in my body again, going downstairs for REAL, and see my sister eating noodles. There are SCADS of such reports. People have traveled thousands of miles sometimes, and seen a loved one or friend doing something that was later corroborated.
thebehtbeht 4 months ago
I love how people call it out of body experience, as if to presume we are inside our body to begin with. We extend to the deepest voids of the universes and everyone thinks we're here, in our body. The brain is a machine which communicates to our consciousness, which is not in the brain. Activity generated to the brain with technology simply affects the computer, which we conscious beings witness. I disbelieve this exists at all, this man can make millions off a drugless trip machine if it does.
Shakeitupyes 5 months ago 2
Salvia works too.
undeadpresident 5 months ago
the videogames of the future
5m1nutes 5 months ago
We are already living in our imagination world.. .You imagine this whole universe...
TheColorlessEye 5 months ago
Michael Shermer needs to drink about a gallon of ayahuasca each day for about a week, then I'll pay attention to what he has to say...
cholmes800 5 months ago
I don't understand, when people have these experiences they weren't being stimulated with magnetic helmets. So how does this prove anything? Also, what these people say is just subjective. There is no proof they didn't experience the results because they were influenced by the scientist, and there's no proof these are the same experiences other people have had, which scientists are trying to debunk.
FKinTheCoffee 5 months ago
in a near death experience people are not dreaming. they are awake consciously as if with their body. in a out of body experience people are not dreaming and electric stimuli of the brain will have no effect since the brain activity is nearly or completely stopped. ever heard about religious resurrection of jesus christ? its the same thing.
coldarc 5 months ago
magnents, how do they work?!
loganhudak 5 months ago
If you are interested in the brain and its relationship to the human consciousness - you should read Dr. Pim Van Lommel`s book "Consciousness beyond life - The Science of the Near-Death Experience"
nettspurv 5 months ago
The experiment failed. First, Shermer isn't a valid test subject because he is biased, believing science will explain all. But what is worse, he failed to experience the "floating, pleasantness and spinning" that was to supposed to happen. When the test was designed to produce evil, frightening stuff, Shermer didn't see the devil, aliens or hell. Shermer claims he might have had an out-of-body experience, but that's not what the test was designed to produce! He's a moron.
matt605 6 months ago
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1DreamWarrior 6 months ago
GIVE ME THE PATTERNS!
taylor1212eminem 6 months ago
sorry but he's wrong about aliens...we cant be alone in this seemingly infinite universe, and we are not...at least scientists say...I LOL AT HIS GUY...about the alien part lol...
Nativeboy0 6 months ago
I want one of these at home.
lesliekwan80 6 months ago
If it is guaranteed then you should have no problem showing it to a panel of scientists
ebrobaru 6 months ago
im just looking this up because i heard it from the movie insidious! fucking movie is scary
AirJordanPowell 6 months ago
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1DreamWarrior 6 months ago
@1DreamWarrior Ya - check out Advanced Tutorials on the home site - there is a section on it specifically - I would recommend it highly - there are some good online sources for it I can show you if int
1DreamWarrior 6 months ago
@adiostraitorobama We are looking for some peeps for a lucid dream experiement if int - we provide training etc if int....?
1DreamWarrior 6 months ago
@1DreamWarrior can you please help me out you seem to know alot about this stuff and im trying to have an OBE. and was wondering how long does it take the average person to get to the vibration stage iv tryed a few times but i just cant seem to do it.
mabsucksshit 6 months ago
@mabsucksshit Fair game - you are attempting what is called a direct transition or WILD method which, to be honest, is a little more advanced. I would try an indiect method with a WBTB (see Inductions on my home site)
Av time to hit first LD with good effort - under a month. If you are looking to jump quicker you could cheat - check out the Red Pill on my home site - it's pretty much guarnateed to work on one or two attempts
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1DreamWarrior 6 months ago
Skeptics are always gonna be skeptics. I believe in aliens but that's only because I've seen enough evidence of UFOs (specially more recently thanks to YouTube) Yes we see things and its only happening in our head but just think about this: we are ALL humans and no matter what, a human cannot explain how this universe works and whats real and not..for all I know were hovering on a perfect circular ball with black empty space all around us.
erfansvideos 6 months ago
Use this method to torture confessions by sending people to hell via this fucking helmet!!!
WildManChris2000 6 months ago
They need to conduct some real science and let the people who experienced real OBE's to try the " god " helmet. They are the only ones who have the experience to make corrolations.
1isaacmusic 6 months ago
@1isaacmusic AMEN!!!
You said a mouthful!!!
WildManChris2000 6 months ago
@WildManChris2000 I'm sure they have thought of this already, in addition to a range of things that i never will.
1isaacmusic 6 months ago
Shermer says the helmet "duplicates out-of-body experiences, near-death experiences, alien abductions, and other paranormal phenomena." But watch as he tries to morph his sensation into something he didn't experience. He's not a scientist, and he failed to experience any of the sensations the experiment was designed to induce.
matt605 6 months ago
Notice how Shermer keeps trying to morph his unusual feelings into an out-of-body experience. But listen carefully to what the scientist said the pulses were supposed to produce: "floating, pleasantness, and spinning." Shermer is wrongly interpreting his experience to fit his pre-conceived notion of what he believes the experiment was supposed to induce.
matt605 6 months ago
The experiment failed. First, Shermer isn't a valid test subject because he is biased, believing science will explain all. But what is worse, he failed to experience the "floating, pleasantness and spinning" that was to supposed to happen. When the test was designed to produce evil, frightening stuff, Shermer didn't see the devil, aliens or hell. Shermer claims he might have had an out-of-body experience, but that's not what the test was designed to produce! He's a moron.
matt605 6 months ago
one too and she told me that she saw her and that she told her she would get a call at 5pm telling her that someone has seen her too and will call her and tell her. now science explain that
dtothedog1 7 months ago
i have had out of body experince (i know i cant spell) but it was of a girl that just died and i had a giant crush on her, and she had a twin sister and when i had this exerince i saw the girl that just died and i told her that i liked her a lot and she told me that god has a plan but she told me to call a number at exactly 5 pm i had never heard or seen this number before i felt like i was gone for hours but when i came back it iwas 5 min so i call the number and it was her sister and she had..
dtothedog1 7 months ago
@dtothedog1 Wow
bossoholic 7 months ago
@bossoholic yha
dtothedog1 7 months ago
Sounds painful. :3
MrEpicnessGuy 7 months ago
oh - and this is nothing like an OBE. it's happened twice to me in my life. this just isn't what it's like. not remotely. nor would any technology capable of either triggering or simulating any 'paranormal' experience either prove or disprove the 'reality' of said experience. trite as it sounds, we can't even know if we're living a dream. i just don't see the point of this.
RealityGrapple 7 months ago
meh. this is a little like using a whistle to disprove a bird. EVERY experience, technically, is 'all in our head'. the only issue is whether other people can also 'see' what you 'see'. shermer is kind of a hack. sorta like, the reverse image of a birthday party magician. kinda lame.
RealityGrapple 7 months ago
If the brain is composed of cells and chemicals where exactly is the mind that orchestrates our thoughts located.
coraldisease 7 months ago
This is so stupid. Any time anyone is afraid of anything science jumps on it and soothes us saying "Don't worry, it's all in your head" Why can't people just have the balls to face their fears? We really are just children.......
magicalhearingman 7 months ago
@magicalhearingman Doesn't the knowledge that it's all in the head HELP people face their fears?
SecretAgent194 7 months ago
this guy is a fucking idiot
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fuckmania07 7 months ago
I've yet to hear a credible explanation for how a blind woman since birth can see during an OBE.
ampoules1 7 months ago
@ampoules1 That doesn't prove anything paranormal. That just proves that you probably need to learn more about the occipital lobe.
djadvance22 7 months ago
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SeeingPatterns 7 months ago
This only proves the you can "simulate" these experiences. With enough probing you could probably produce pain or pleasure by stimulating areas of the brain. Does this mean that pain and pleasure do not exist? If you prove how paper is made, does that mean books have no meaning? Skeptics are always trying to prove a negative, then when they are stumped say "well you can't prove a negative." It's a potentially interesting carnival ride, at best.
SeeingPatterns 7 months ago
@SeeingPatterns. We can indeed stimulate pain and pleasure... it does not mean they don't exist. They exist, as experiences, not as external entities.
This shows OOBE's also exist, *as experiences*, i.e they tell us about the brain, rather than the world 'out there'
Given that dreams are so weird, and assuming dreams are an experience generated within the brain - what is more likely; that God, Astral Planes or Ghosts really exist, or that they are justanother awesome product of the brain? :)
AxisMundiOnline 7 months ago 26
@AxisMundiOnline Ya I'm kinda buying that notion in that the brain is ceratinly essential to computing the experiences of our world(s). Perhaps consider a more flexible model whereby the brain acts as a biological tuning device taking information in and processing it rather than synthesising it and hence the electrical activity recorded in REM may indicate processing as well as synthesising? We do create SOME of the dream but all of it - ask a lucid dreamer and you might be suprised??
1DreamWarrior 7 months ago
@AxisMundiOnline
That's a rather mediocre and narrow minded conclusion.
xXSparky117Xx 6 months ago
@xXSparky117Xx
Hmm, I don't think it is. I've been a OOBE'r and Lucid Dreamer for more than 10 years. This to me is the most plausible explanation based on what I know... what other explanation can I have? TBH, I think it's the more open minded option. Most people I meet are closed and dismissive to any idea that isn't supernatural...THATS narrow minded. :) xx
AxisMundiOnline 6 months ago
@AxisMundiOnline
It's completely possible that one "OOBE'r" is actually just lucid dreaming while another is actually traversing the Astral Plane. I think you would like to read the book "Travels" by Michael Crichton (he's also the author of Jurassic Park). He describes his experiences with the phenomena, which are incredibly interesting.
xXSparky117Xx 6 months ago
@AxisMundiOnline By saying' product of the brain', seems you're implying this 'existence as experince' is 'dreamlike', a creation of the mind', hence 'not objective', not 'real. 'Reality' is obtained thru the senses and 'created' by the brain the same way. OBEs show that consciousness can be separated from the body and perceive 'objective reality' in remote locations- patients have described doctors procedures while in a coma. UFOs are not a product of the brain, neither are they 'physical ET
egyptianminor 6 months ago
@AxisMundiOnline In this area, I'm somewhere in the middle. You could say that OOBEs are just brain experiences. But, the experiences you have in "real life" while awake and "aware" every day are just brain experiences. If someone put your brain in a pot, and stimulated it the same way it is being stimulated now, you'd experience the same exact thing.
Is is possible that all experiences are equally valid? I think there are many frequencies in which we can experience reality.
DemonHermit 4 months ago
There is a lot of debate on this subject, one side employing scientific deduction and the other conjecturous hiersay. Though there is a subjective experience to be had by the participant of these episodes and I can offer my own there is very drafted mathematical biological equivalent episodes concurrently occuring, the same mechanisms we use to dream and observe our waking reality.
Where is the debate guys, its all simple biology!!??
1DreamWarrior 7 months ago
This is frikin retared this doesent explain all the encounters and like every abduction was every body weren't those i mean they only have it there.
star3ize 7 months ago
doesn't sound at all like an OBE. totally stupid.
cunnidvd 7 months ago
Proof is probably an over rated commodity so I hear your point of view but we must, by the same token be able to offer some kind of contextual platform of discussion that adheres to some kind of consistent frame of reference which stipulates the need for some kind of model based reality which can be impartially observed by various independent observers. Otherwise we lend our views to no more than conjecturous hiersay so experience albeit wonderful is not a credible platform to explore on
1DreamWarrior 7 months ago
I made a time-travel during OBE.
I did it under full-trance (hypnosis) I travelled 26 years back.
I gave my e-mail, and my cell-phone number to myself, as a proof.
Jetfly444 8 months ago
@Jetfly444 Do you remember a person giving you an e-mail and cell phone number 26 years ago and this person looking like an older version of you?
batistaker123 8 months ago
@batistaker123
well, it was during OBE, there is no body in OBE. you can read the whole story here: (link I give you)
Jetfly444 7 months ago
@Jetfly444 I guess telling yourself to invest in google or apple wouldn't work eh..... lol
OhmgrownCron 7 months ago
His experiments doesn't disprove OBEs. They're no better than someone saying that they saw Big Foot.
If you search for OBE experiments you'll find that theres acturally more evidence suggesting that its something real.
OrPhEeUs 8 months ago
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wollclark 8 months ago
By electrically stimulating certain areas of the brain you can activate memories so vivid as to be indistinguishable, to the subject, from the experience itself. This does not refute the reality of the event being recalled: or does it?
ganderblast 8 months ago
Hi. I am so glad and proud of the commenters. i recently realized anything can be disected and explained, and has an "anatomy" or activity (that can be scientifically explained)...AND THAT DOESN'T answer / explain the larger importance...of...what it REALLLY is or why it is. yes. this "world" / dimension (?) obviously exists, and your science only actually helps prove it's actually there...rather than "disprove" !
susapultura 8 months ago
@susapultura
You're making a presumption that there IS a larger importance. Why?
gguilford72 8 months ago
@susapultura the only reason things can be dissected and explained is because eventually our minds will pick some reasonable answer for us to see. if you keep delving further into atoms and subatomic elements, you will never find the "smallest" element of matter. what explains this? well, thats because anything and everything is possible and what we see is what we truly expect to see in our unconscious mind. youre all trapped in the prison of your minds constantly finding "rational" explanations
MrIlikebigdick 8 months ago
@susapultura seek and you shall find. most people want rational explanations. at the heart of all this is a truly rational explanation: nothing is real but consciousness
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JezusSlave 8 months ago
Actually I must disagree with the good Dr administering the test. Introducing these waves is unlocking the brain to be able to experience things it could not when we are conscience. Sitting in perfect dark and silence like that is like meditation and its basically a sense deprivation room but with an added affect. Much like hallucinogens open up a world we could not see before under normal circumstances. Out of body experiences are real there is no way they are imagined....
jspecaspec23 8 months ago 2
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K0lsyr4 8 months ago
I am not saying he is right or wrong. But, dreams can simulate that I went fishing, that doesn't mean that there is no such thing as going fishing. What if the pulses are just triggering the same things that would be triggered if it really happened. This is silly logic that because you can simulate something that it can't ever happen for real. "The existence of wigs is not the disproof of hair".
LincolnWorld 8 months ago 12
@LincolnWorld Couldn't have put it better myself.
falcord 7 months ago
@LincolnWorld The difference here is in the eccentricity of the claims. OBE exponents claim that there exists an "astral plane" to which "immaterial souls" ascend after the brain dies. Your analogies aren't nearly as powerful as you seem to think, as we know that things like hair and fishing exist, whereas the "OBE'er's" claims aren't even close to established facts. I have to say, I detest specious arguments like yours because they manage to win over credulous "supernatural" enthusiasts.
LoquaciousApe 6 months ago
@LincolnWorld Of course it can happen without the helmet. it does happen everyday caused by emotional stress., drugs or diseases. What this experiment proves is that the brain is malfunctioning when it does happen and what is felt is not real. No goblins, gods, Jesus, elves or aliens. No fictional characters of any sort. Oh, by the way, you don't have a mind separate from the brain or a soul so no afterlife either. Death is final and nothing can exist without detectable energy : again no god.
isleofyew1 6 months ago
@LincolnWorld
Nobody said this is proof that paranormal (things?) don't exist; however, it is an explanation for how these people could have these experiences without encountering anything paranormal. So no, not absolute proof, but it certainly cuts away at the credibility of these testimonials...
mellamosean 6 months ago
Exactly! The brain has all sorts of states. Doctors still argue over depression - i.e. did the brain's neurochemistry become faulty thus triggering depression, or did being depressed for prolonged periods of time trigger the brain's neurochemistry to change? When you're happy, the brain shows it. Smells, memories, pain and pleasure can ALL be triggered by manipulating the brain. Scientists understand FAR too little to be making the assertion that "it's all in the brain." They look like buffoons.
thebehtbeht 4 months ago
@LincolnWorld well if something can be explained with a logical explanation then why go for something completely against all the physical laws and science that we know work, if we show that your brain can actually simulate these things, its i think a better explanation than seeing a real angel out of your body in some other part of the universe. no offence tho nything is possible hehe
nextblain 4 months ago
wow guys (people conducting these tests)
how about you try putting positive and ligher magnetic waves through their head and see what they come up with. duh
cyborg578 9 months ago
I wanna try that thing!
jmacevoy2001 9 months ago
That helmet might cause cancer. I think I'll pass on this.
DSAhmed 9 months ago
@DSAhmed That helmet looks like shit and is not fashionable lol
RasDaRadarMan 9 months ago
@acidlabz I would say I don't believe it, I just don't deny it.. ;]] calling me stupid is inappropriate just because of my mOsspells and few misStakes, in fact I speak 4 languages (not sure about you), so please take my apologies for imperfect spelling of English.. you are grown up man as I see in your profile and to be honest I was really surprised.. ..but why surprised?.. hmm.. GROWN UP is not a fact that MAN will be very bright ;]]
posholvglush 9 months ago
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AuroraDigital 9 months ago
Why is he saying it creates illusion? How is he sure that the brain is not just stimulated and therefore more sensitive and capture things that normally is not able to. I don´t believe that is the case though, but I think you should ask your self. Aleister Crowley, famous occultist said that demons are parts of the brain, that work in your subcounsciouness. When you invoke a demon, you are invoking a hidden part of yourself. That is what he said.
paleoton 9 months ago
@paleoton
That is really the problem I think. We can't really tell if we are just "imagining" the experience, or if we really are just picking up things with our senses that we could not before. If we can ever figure out a way to prove which is happening, then that will solve the mysteries.
sit001 9 months ago
I wonder if you can buy an helmet like this somewhere! Would be a pretty good product to sell as long as there's no long term effects lol
Darkeons 9 months ago
Dude, I would wet my pants if I had one of those terrifying experiences the host described..... So freaky...
Wayofthefighter 9 months ago
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Fadsmashers 9 months ago
@proceo12 through a magnetic field... study some physics... its not that hard...
victorminimal 9 months ago