@CloudsBeyond Your funny, my Wing Chun trainer barely tapped me, and I can feel my bones going in. For your info, Wing Chun schools do not have the proper training equipment. My trainer made me fly. You have no idea what your talking about fool.
@CalebMartialArts yep George Dillman never mind barely tapped students and instructors, he can stand several feet away & KO them!Only it is BS just like your Instructors skill,tell your Instructor to get in a MMA contest and prove his skills then watch for excuses!!! 'eh Wing Chun is too deadly I'd kill them...we cannot use our most deadly techniques in there' lol!Your Instructor trains nowhere near as hard as MMA fighters, & rarely spars hard or fights - who do you think is really going to win?
i never train with emin, i say, by looking at his video, that i dont like the way hes doing wing chun period. Do you feel better to insult me ? have you ever train with me ? or any wing chun practitioner, you seem to like youtube anyways... and once again, you dont know nothing about wing chun and fighting, you are so pretentious and arrogant, very limited ... now please stop writing to me or get open minded...
Train MMA hard for one year approx., you will beat any WT Master easily! WT is very unrealistic BS, just look at demos by Kernspecht or Leung Ting - go try that BS for real! WT is almost like Aikido not very realistic. Just look at WT excuses not to fight in MMA, UFC, etc - our techniques are too deadly, we can't use our deadly moves lol! Sure, sure early UFC's had few rules I saw no WT person winning them! Wake up people please your life could be on the line!
@CloudsBeyond : Sounds like you're the type that is used to the fast-food business and have no understanding of what self-defense is and even less of what a martial art is. It is not a competition. It is a personal development. Thus it is not the MA that matters but your understanding of it that matters.
@TheExpressoKid please learn the English language so people can decipher what the heck you are talking about, thanks! Go practice Capoiera then try use it in the street, after all as you said it is not the art that matters. For realistic self defence of course it matters which art you do, you think WTF Olympic style Tae Kwon Do is the best for the street? Here is my commentary & opinion on your views, listen closely! : watch?v=qSfi4j9vsPE (add to Youtube address). Understand now????
@CloudsBeyond : How can you possible bitch and make a response, if you didn't understand what I wrote? And no - I still don't agree with you. MA of any kind is a tool we use to enhance self-preservation. Any untrained person can defend himself and often with success. If you have a sense of strategy, coordination and timing, you don't necessarily need an MA tool to win a fight. But don't think we will get any further in this conversation.
@CloudsBeyond MMA Fighters train professional 6 hours a day. Most MA people have a job and they are able to only train twice a week for two hours. One more thing: MA People DONT like to fight they train to avoid fights.
every fighting style in the world seems to be suitable for action movies except for the one which is a real fighting style - which is actually no style.
@TheDanceofjoy oh that's why there are loads of wing chun movies including Ip man. Bruce lee personally felt that wing chun was limited in filming because the moves were all compact and close range. Therefore he developed JKD.
@nightfox2282 He didn't develop JKD for filming. He developed it because he felt that Wing Chun was limited and he didn't want to be limited as a fighter. So he learned american boxing, fencing, judo and various other arts and took what he liked best from them.
@buffmedic01 That is not entirely true. Bruce never fully completed his Wing Chun training. He had minor disagreements with Ip man, mostly because Ip Man was reluctant to teach someone that was part Japanese or whatever other race Bruce was.
Bruce Lee was an american-chinese. And he had not the disagreement with IpMan because of his background, he left the WC because he saw that it had many weaknesses and wanted to earse them. And human races doesn't exist, so stop using it.
@MidnightStar1000 No actually, he did have a problem with Ip Man.. and I never used race, I am simply stating that the Chinese looked down on teaching their arts to outsiders. Ho Kam Ming, my Sifu's instructor, was a senior student when Bruce was there and that is where I got most of the story from. Ip man only ever supervised Bruce's training, he rarely ever trained him directly.
@tutanota For being 10th Student Level you need at least 2 years with attending every seminar and showing great effort! That doesn't mean you'll get 10 SL in 2 years. I have got mine in 3 years. How about this? I attended every seminar, got lessons 3 times a week and worked with partner and also alone once per week. Still I am not in an awful position.
@Wiesi93 "my sisters boyfriend is SG 10 (2 years needed)" What's SG 10? You know, in Asia we say, it takes two years of practice to learn the fundamentals of no matter what fighting art (that's 5 days a week, at least 4 hours a day). Lastly, your style doesn't matter, no did it ever matter. It's the fighter not the style.
@tutanota For being 10th Student Level you need at least 2 years with attending every seminar and showing great effort! That doesn't mean you'll get 10 SL in 2 years. I have got mine in 3 years. How about this? I attended every seminar, got lessons 3 times a week and worked with partner and also alone once per week. Still I am not in an awful position.
@Achilles1987 well...here where i live, attending to every seminar , having 7 times for week and training everyday with partner and olso alone. nobody is 10th student level in less than 8 years. nobody . the normal is 10 years.... sorry for my english
@tutanota Your english is good mate. But wow.Brother excuse me but I mean there is something wrong with your system. In China they teach the complete system in 5,5-6 years. In western WT systems it becomes 24-30 years to complete it.But 1 year for every student level is not something that I appreciate. You can do your work alone by yourself and master your techniques it is something else but Bro you are paying them for every lesson. Maybe you should go to another school I am honestly saying this
@Achilles1987 jajaja I am not losing my money and time and my instructors are great. it's just that to pass a grade they make sure that you learned well. There are many people who has very high grade and really they do not know anything about wing tsun, and you know it
Its not all about how long you train, dont get me wrong you have to train to improve but its has alot to do with a good teacher and having agood understanding without it it doesnt matter how long you train you cant improve that much, your just giving your money away. The way i was graded was one day my teacher said i was ready and that was it.
@rangas23 I agree on that statement. Wing Chun has so many fine details and concepts that you have to have in mind, its not as easy to apply the techniques straight away like other martial arts, you cant understand the art if your teacher makes you learn by "monkey see, monkey do".
These "snappy" backfists that exist only in bad movies and strip-mall dojos, yes. Powerful backfists like those in original Tang Soo and Tibetan White Crane, no.
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Si-fu Emin Boztepe Is the Best Master in the History of Wing Chun, He is not a legend, He is REAL.He is the ONE, he is a brilliant man and great and powerfull fighter
He is pretty amazing, but dont mistake him for the best because he is not. Lets not forget GM Lueng ting, Keith Kernspect, and of course Emin still takes lesson from GM Latosa. Latosa is known for eating up wt practicioners and is at the same level of his art as Lueng ting or Kernspect is in theres
I disagree with that idea. The backfist is only as useless as the targeting. here's planty of targets which will drop a man fast if one knows how and where. But hey, to each his own. Use what works for you.
A simple read of Wing Chun by James Yim Lee/Bruce Lee shows that the backfist is not included in wing chun and was added by Bruce himself. Classic text and worth reading. Peace.
Bruce Lee die to early moron and by the way a lot of Bruce Lee followers are teaching his technique, just few are teaching the real thing call Tao of Jeet Kune Do (extremelly effective, by the way I have been practicing it for the past 20years my self)all these man proclaim to the authentic and the only authorize is Dan Inosanto, Wing Tsun scam you need to take some seminars with Emin ignorant, you suppose to be humble and not disrespectful.
For more than 20 years I've trained different martial arts, boxing, thaiboxing, kickboxing, karate, juijitsu, and all I can say: No other style is more effective in a real fight than Wing Tsun (Tzun, Chun). Wing Tsun is not for a ring, or similar, it's a self-defence system, NOT a sport.
@BenKravitz - I have trained WC (as well as other arts) and under a well-recognized teacher (Sifu Sunny Tang) and I have also trained Kali (Escrima/Arnis as some call it). I loved WC, lived it an breathed it.
In my humble opinion I would have to disagree with you. I find Kali to be a far superior art for real-life situations. One of my Kali teachers is a WC black sash and tells me he also feels that WC is missing something.
But I do agree WC is not a sport. Anyway, training in MA is good.
@BetterLivesThruDeath it may be true tt wing chun is not complete, and that may explain why ng mui (the founder of wingchun) has other styles (eg. dragon style) that are meant to complement wing chun. on top of tt, wing chun is supposed to be the stepping stone and basics to those styles.
@wthigowt To make the claim that "Wing Chun is not complete" is crazy. Anyone making the claim does not truly understand that it is a conept-based fighting method. Ng Mui knew other systems and took the best of them to create Wing Chun, not to complement it.
@BenKravitz then why does it need such embarrassing and stupid videos such as this one to get promoted ? :D plus: how come all wing chun experts that ever walked in a cage couldn't rely worth shit on w.c. to defend against skilled mma fighters or even pure grapplers ?
@BenKravitz there is no way in twenty years you would have become proficient in all these arts you just mentioned, to decide which one was more effective, you need at least 5 years to understand karate basics, this is before you begin to apply it, boxing, thai, jujitsu, and then wing chun, what is this the MATRIX!!!!
If YOU have needed five long years to understand karate basics, you shouldnt think others have to do so in the same time! Real fighting is about simplicity and tactile decisions: the more actions/moves/techniques you have to estimate applying, the less chances you have got in a stressing situation of unpredictable incoming forces. I prefer that art, which hasnt that decisional-phase and there is only one method of systematic fighting - wingchun=chainpunches and forward-steps...
@11Kralle what you need to realise is that there are many untrained fighters that kick arse, now why is that! i think bruce answereed all these questions years back!!
Do I? You should answer yourselfe one question first: Which arses are kicked by those untrained fighters? And are these fighters as untrained as you think - they might be bullies who practised to fight since kindergarden...
I think the apotheosis of Bruce Lee or even the mentioning of his `filmed achievements´ have to be seen with a critical distance. He didnt came up with a new theory of fighting or a new system, he copied it from his teachers, who never dared to trait that...
Feel free to do so. I hope your legs are long enough. You also should get a good health insurance - my mom does not like her son beeing kicked from behind and she can be very mean.
A last will in written form would be appropriated too.
Please share more of your wisdom, great psychologist! I wonder, what you´ll reveal next time. Enlight a humble fool like me, who is going to be kicked in...
Who said anything about being proficient in all those arts ? Over 20 years the guy tried all sorts of martial arts and concluded what was most effective in a real fight.period. Of course, that could mean only most effective for HIM specifically, because everyone is different in a way. You can never know until you try all, find what really turns you on, then maybe master that. lol 5 years karate basics, dude, that's not aikido...
@singhakabuttar I was quoting your comment : there is no way in twenty years you would have become proficient in all these arts you just mentioned, to decide which one was more effective, you need at least 5 years to understand karate basics, this is before you begin to apply it, boxing, thai, jujitsu, and then wing chun, what is this the MATRIX!!!! addressed to BenKravitz.
@BenKravitz May I ask sir, under which GM you trained under (what lineage). I would just like to know, seeing that you have a lot of experience in MA, what wing chun lineage made you come to a conclusion that wing chun is more effective in a real fight than all other arts you trained.
I also agree that wing chun isn't for ring, it's more like a krav maga, simple self-defense system, where you don't restrict it so you can have a longer fight, like martial sports do.
@BenKravitz it is not a coinsidence that the german special forces are gettin instructed in wing tsung... if something are germans are good in, than it is analyzing things... also in this topic. ;) I trust them ... also because i have seen real fights...
PEOPLE always think a real fight ends up like in tv.... or in the ring!!! U can learn many things or master a art! but u will lose against a moron , if u not master yourself!!!! maybe u agree to that....
@Sinan97082 german forces do WT because u learn the most with a couple of hours of train per week. So WT is effective. They need to be good at Shooting. Self defense is the last thing thell do. If they had only fight with hands and more time for training I dont think they would learn WT. Instead of this Taekwondo would be better for strenghtn ur mind and body.
@BenKravitz yes and you know this how? Because you've done lots of chi sao, lat sao, wooden dummy & lovely drills with a cooperating opponent. Rarely if ever applying it against all out realistic attacks & certainly rarely if ever sparring all out. WT is BS for the street and very limited. WT theory teaches get close apply pressure keep attacking with chain punching etc, go try it with someone Brock Lesnar's size! Tactically & strategy wise it is a joke too.
@CloudsBeyond think... as a martial arts instruktor, what are you supposed to teach for example to a 50 year old woman who wants to learn how to defend herself agains somebody of brocks size. you would probably tell her to start lifting weights till she could out wrestle brock. why not teach her to attack his eyes, groin or throat cause its the only chance she has without useing a weapon even thow I agree it would be a small chance. btw because you dont know wt doesnt mean it doesnt work!
@seriousrampage well don't teach her WT BS! Run in attacking stay close and keep hitting - yep that will work a treat with someone Brock's size. Yet that is exactly what WT strategy teaches get in close keep attacking - not only predictable as hell what a WT fighter will do, also just plain stupid to do against certain fighters. I know WT have been to Boztepe, Kernspecht & Ting seminars - all good at making money, all shit fighters & not teaching realistic street effective stuff.
@CloudsBeyond whats up if i do chi sao and sparring with uncooperative opponent, and work very well against bigger guys, im 5'5, 135, and defend easily agasint 5'9 185... if you think you know what wing chun teach, you are wrong.
@WingChunHard you can't do Chi Sao with an uncoperating opponent, it is a game or exercise. Any decent MMA fighter will beat the crap out of you & you know it, go down your local MMA class & try your BS Wing Chun! Matt Thornton (look him up) has had many WCJ (Wing Chun Jokers) come down - none can make it work! Many Wing Chun people are overconfident when they play around with people, wooden dummys, forms, etc - all a load of BS for real fighting.
@CloudsBeyond chi sao is made to helping you not to loose contact and get better sensivity, in sparring, you chi sao when you just move from what your opponent is doing.
I got down to local MA and i do judo at the same spot, people know me, i ve win 4 on 5 with very basic WC, even my judo teacher say im a good WChunner. This style is over 200 years old and has been used to make war, but funny to get some kind of guys like you talkshiting, show me wing chun is a respond to negativity
@CloudsBeyond by the way, must say i dont like emin, and most wing chun we see today, my teacher, chinese who learned from ip man, taught me the real footwork, wich is realy different from what i see. anyway, why dont you just take your time on subject you are not familiar with, like fighting...
@WingChunHard you are typical Wing Chun idiot! Yeh, you don't see WC guys in UFC because it is so deadly they would kill people/they can't use their deadliest techniques so won't enter....... The truth : WC is a joke style and not practical , any WC fighter would get his ass kicked by a UFC fighter in the cage or the street. WC is predictable as hell too - chain punches, few kicks, etc. Anytime you want to spar or fight, just let me know?
@CloudsBeyond i suggest going to wing chun school and make a challenge...dont think you would do well though. i only been training wing chun for 2 yrs and i can tell ya it is very brutal. there is a lot you wont see on you tube...arm breaks,chin nah,blitz takedowns just to name a few theres a lot you do not see though the forms are very simple there are numerous applications that most teachers do not want to be put on film or cam etc.
@xxdjcharlierockxx I've done Wing Chun! I've been to seminars with William Cheung, Samuel Kwok, Emin Boztepe, Leung Ting, etc. It is basically BS! The problem is : people train really with other Wing Chun bums, they never really spar all out & do lots of dry land swimming - forms, dummy, nice partner drills, etc = making them over confident their deadly WC BS can work for real. Any decent MMA fighter will beat a Wing Chun guy in the cage or street - they train harder & actually fight.
@CloudsBeyond those are some good names you learnd from,so i dont know how you can say what you say about w c but i will say this. mma is mixed marital arts, wc is a 300+ yr old martial art combing two different styles basically taken the most efficent parts of those styles and making it one. chin na for example is commonly used in mma and is found in the advanced part of wc but you hardly see that in videos but they are in the forms also wing chun is fairly new...read next comment
@xxdjcharlierockxx mma fighters are basically fighters that are committed to fight for a living and to go up in ranks etc most wc practitioners are just learning the art for interest but the possibility to really hurt somebody is still there where as if you took an absolute athlete committed to fighting using wc i would like his chances. bruce lee for example was an athlete in jeet kune do..
@xxdjcharlierockxx Wing Chun is hundreds of years old - it is a traditional martial art designed for small people - the Chinese (most are small in height and build), many have applied it to street fighting or added things (e.g. in WT anti grappling etc). MOST Wing Chun people can't hit very hard - they think they can but in reality their chain punching will tickle or just annoy a tough person. Wing Chun is very predictable & limited a style which is why Bruce Lee moved away from it.
@CloudsBeyond hmm ok, let me throw 8 chain punches to your temple (side of head), kidney 25, stomach 15 pressure points above you pectoral muscles (chest muscles) or perhaps a go wan jeong (upward palm strike) to your neck. guarantee you'l retreat after the first hit. Bruce lee moved away from it because it is not filled with beauty that could be caught by camera for films. So he developed his own style which is still a base of wing chun not a completely different art.
@nightfox2282 better still - go in UFC with your BS and try it! What is stopping you? Boztepe made excuses not to fight in UFC & has ducked out of EVERY single challenge made to him (Blumming's students, Bas Rutten, William Cheung Instructors, etc). Bruce Lee moved away from Wing Chun because he saw its limitations, as does anyone with intelligence & knowledge of martial arts - your reason shows your sheer ignorance!
@CloudsBeyond considering I've trained in Ninjutsu, Aikedo, Shotokan and Wado ryu Karate and Wing Chun I guess that would make me MMA eh! Whats more I stand by Wing Chun as being an effective art. It is limited in its moves but that is deliberate. There are plenty of moves that will hurt like hell and don't have to kill. Whats more Wing Chun is not only fast strikes but also target balance. does not matter if your fifty foot tall if your legs are kicked out from under you your on the floor.
It was Bruce lee himself that said "I don't fear the man who knows 10000 kicks, I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10000." So this makes you right on one count and wrong with another. Bruce Lee would not make this quote if he thought the simplicity of wing chun was a bad point. A MMA artist might know shed loads of moves but the person that has practiced them the most will have more skill. Jack of all trades master of none. the rest is as xxdjcharlierockxx says.
@CloudsBeyond dude it lasted over 300 yrs...think it was useful. based on the reality of the 3 dimensions as they are affected by time, space and energy.
Specifically using inherit human physics and capitolizing on the known weaknesses of the human frame. Developing methods and techniques that are perfectly effective, regardless of size, strength, or gender. guess you didnt get that in your class...but hey it might not be for everybody though it was made for everybody...
@CloudsBeyond You make a good point. There is no room for ignorance in martial arts, regardless of style. Combat is unpredictable. One should train to adapt to as many situations as possible. If you don't cross train at least enough to understand how other systems work there is no way you can defend against someone with skill. Part of what makes martial arts fun is seeing how it works against others. it makes you keep improving.
@nightfox2282 jeet kune do(intercepting fist) is the same princple as wc..wing chun is a close combat fighting method where aas jeet kune do simply adds long range. but i agree 8 chain punches to the temple (lol) and so on the chain punch is like a battering ram the first hit or two dont have to know you out,it's the consisting strikes that will cave your chest or any other body part. but wing chun has a lot of trapping and close range skills very useful for anyone...great style!
man you dont get out much into the kung fu world do you? emin is an average kung fu man ( with a steroid problem )its jack off guru suck ups like you runnin round givin kung fu a bad name. next thing youll be tellin me that he catches bullits with his teeth? CATCHES BULLITS IN HIS TEETH? NIGGA PLEASE! all joking aside, see all the families and the low key closed door desciples first let alone other esoteric styles before sucking dick. if your gonna suck dick suck the right one.
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Nice.
I like how you take this extremely personal. Bozetepe sure is the future of WT. WT is crap anyway. Hit them 1 million times! Grappling? What is that!? He took me down! What do I DO!?!?!
C'mon. Everyone knows that it's all a big joke. If you really want to "learn" how to fight, try going in the ring. I bet you can't do shit.
grapplings a fucking joke . it only works in the ring and not on the streets. you try and grapple me ill put your fucking lights out or tear your flesh with any discipline at my disposal. rip your fucking eye out i will. you got to get in there first, you try and shoot my stance and strength from the pole is so low and strong itll be like your running at me head first with arms wide open. dont get me started. and i will fight dirty. you garapple in the streets and get stomped. and i took bjj
and suddenly everything is clear
taikuriku 1 week ago
@CloudsBeyond Your funny, my Wing Chun trainer barely tapped me, and I can feel my bones going in. For your info, Wing Chun schools do not have the proper training equipment. My trainer made me fly. You have no idea what your talking about fool.
CalebMartialArts 3 weeks ago
@CalebMartialArts yep George Dillman never mind barely tapped students and instructors, he can stand several feet away & KO them!Only it is BS just like your Instructors skill,tell your Instructor to get in a MMA contest and prove his skills then watch for excuses!!! 'eh Wing Chun is too deadly I'd kill them...we cannot use our most deadly techniques in there' lol!Your Instructor trains nowhere near as hard as MMA fighters, & rarely spars hard or fights - who do you think is really going to win?
CloudsBeyond 2 weeks ago
i never train with emin, i say, by looking at his video, that i dont like the way hes doing wing chun period. Do you feel better to insult me ? have you ever train with me ? or any wing chun practitioner, you seem to like youtube anyways... and once again, you dont know nothing about wing chun and fighting, you are so pretentious and arrogant, very limited ... now please stop writing to me or get open minded...
WingChunHard 3 weeks ago
Train MMA hard for one year approx., you will beat any WT Master easily! WT is very unrealistic BS, just look at demos by Kernspecht or Leung Ting - go try that BS for real! WT is almost like Aikido not very realistic. Just look at WT excuses not to fight in MMA, UFC, etc - our techniques are too deadly, we can't use our deadly moves lol! Sure, sure early UFC's had few rules I saw no WT person winning them! Wake up people please your life could be on the line!
CloudsBeyond 2 months ago
@CloudsBeyond : Sounds like you're the type that is used to the fast-food business and have no understanding of what self-defense is and even less of what a martial art is. It is not a competition. It is a personal development. Thus it is not the MA that matters but your understanding of it that matters.
TheExpressoKid 2 months ago
@TheExpressoKid please learn the English language so people can decipher what the heck you are talking about, thanks! Go practice Capoiera then try use it in the street, after all as you said it is not the art that matters. For realistic self defence of course it matters which art you do, you think WTF Olympic style Tae Kwon Do is the best for the street? Here is my commentary & opinion on your views, listen closely! : watch?v=qSfi4j9vsPE (add to Youtube address). Understand now????
CloudsBeyond 2 months ago
@CloudsBeyond : How can you possible bitch and make a response, if you didn't understand what I wrote? And no - I still don't agree with you. MA of any kind is a tool we use to enhance self-preservation. Any untrained person can defend himself and often with success. If you have a sense of strategy, coordination and timing, you don't necessarily need an MA tool to win a fight. But don't think we will get any further in this conversation.
TheExpressoKid 2 months ago
@CloudsBeyond MMA Fighters train professional 6 hours a day. Most MA people have a job and they are able to only train twice a week for two hours. One more thing: MA People DONT like to fight they train to avoid fights.
seriousrampage 2 months ago
I think there's a pak sao drill showiing not a lop/lat sao
Shojin187 3 months ago
ibrahimovic
THPION 5 months ago 2
every fighting style in the world seems to be suitable for action movies except for the one which is a real fighting style - which is actually no style.
TheDanceofjoy 6 months ago
@TheDanceofjoy oh that's why there are loads of wing chun movies including Ip man. Bruce lee personally felt that wing chun was limited in filming because the moves were all compact and close range. Therefore he developed JKD.
nightfox2282 2 weeks ago
@nightfox2282 He didn't develop JKD for filming. He developed it because he felt that Wing Chun was limited and he didn't want to be limited as a fighter. So he learned american boxing, fencing, judo and various other arts and took what he liked best from them.
buffmedic01 1 week ago
@buffmedic01 That is not entirely true. Bruce never fully completed his Wing Chun training. He had minor disagreements with Ip man, mostly because Ip Man was reluctant to teach someone that was part Japanese or whatever other race Bruce was.
Ankoku15 1 week ago
@Ankoku15
Bruce Lee was an american-chinese. And he had not the disagreement with IpMan because of his background, he left the WC because he saw that it had many weaknesses and wanted to earse them. And human races doesn't exist, so stop using it.
MidnightStar1000 1 week ago
@MidnightStar1000 No actually, he did have a problem with Ip Man.. and I never used race, I am simply stating that the Chinese looked down on teaching their arts to outsiders. Ho Kam Ming, my Sifu's instructor, was a senior student when Bruce was there and that is where I got most of the story from. Ip man only ever supervised Bruce's training, he rarely ever trained him directly.
Ankoku15 1 week ago
Si è saputo vendere ed ha creato un business che gli fruttato un bordello di soldi.. e poi tutto sommato male nn è!
Kidkod84 8 months ago
Dai-sifu emin!
giallutheslasher 1 year ago
Is that Ibrahomovic!?
ARegularAffayre 1 year ago
@ARegularAffayre Haha true it looks like him a little, his name is Emin Boztepe.
miellikkiful 1 year ago
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@tutanota For being 10th Student Level you need at least 2 years with attending every seminar and showing great effort! That doesn't mean you'll get 10 SL in 2 years. I have got mine in 3 years. How about this? I attended every seminar, got lessons 3 times a week and worked with partner and also alone once per week. Still I am not in an awful position.
Achilles1987 1 year ago
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fake bitch FUCK ALL!!
LightAzoth 1 year ago
wing tsun is really the best defence...
I just startet but my sisters boyfriend is SG 10 (2 years needed) and its more effective than all other defence-fightingarts
but that wasnt very nice fighting,it was just the german boulevard TV that wantet to show some action^^
Wiesi93 1 year ago
@Wiesi93 "my sisters boyfriend is SG 10 (2 years needed)" What's SG 10? You know, in Asia we say, it takes two years of practice to learn the fundamentals of no matter what fighting art (that's 5 days a week, at least 4 hours a day). Lastly, your style doesn't matter, no did it ever matter. It's the fighter not the style.
GaolisVideoLog 1 year ago
@Wiesi93 sg10(2 years needed) here where i live its take 10 years or more:P
tutanota 1 year ago
@tutanota For being 10th Student Level you need at least 2 years with attending every seminar and showing great effort! That doesn't mean you'll get 10 SL in 2 years. I have got mine in 3 years. How about this? I attended every seminar, got lessons 3 times a week and worked with partner and also alone once per week. Still I am not in an awful position.
Achilles1987 1 year ago
@Achilles1987 well...here where i live, attending to every seminar , having 7 times for week and training everyday with partner and olso alone. nobody is 10th student level in less than 8 years. nobody . the normal is 10 years.... sorry for my english
tutanota 1 year ago
@tutanota Your english is good mate. But wow.Brother excuse me but I mean there is something wrong with your system. In China they teach the complete system in 5,5-6 years. In western WT systems it becomes 24-30 years to complete it.But 1 year for every student level is not something that I appreciate. You can do your work alone by yourself and master your techniques it is something else but Bro you are paying them for every lesson. Maybe you should go to another school I am honestly saying this
Achilles1987 1 year ago
@Achilles1987 jajaja I am not losing my money and time and my instructors are great. it's just that to pass a grade they make sure that you learned well. There are many people who has very high grade and really they do not know anything about wing tsun, and you know it
tutanota 1 year ago
Its not all about how long you train, dont get me wrong you have to train to improve but its has alot to do with a good teacher and having agood understanding without it it doesnt matter how long you train you cant improve that much, your just giving your money away. The way i was graded was one day my teacher said i was ready and that was it.
rangas23 1 year ago
@rangas23 I agree on that statement. Wing Chun has so many fine details and concepts that you have to have in mind, its not as easy to apply the techniques straight away like other martial arts, you cant understand the art if your teacher makes you learn by "monkey see, monkey do".
Lol4lols 1 year ago
@synkronyk
I agree. anytime you could use a back fist, you could use a hammerfist which is much more devistating in its application.
hasukumori 1 year ago
come prima cosa, si scrive lat saO....
Secondo, i muscoli in questa meravigliosa arte ( se la sai praticare bene ) non servono a nulla...
scfprz 2 years ago
lat sau = spicy hand?
speedstakerguy 2 years ago
These "snappy" backfists that exist only in bad movies and strip-mall dojos, yes. Powerful backfists like those in original Tang Soo and Tibetan White Crane, no.
varanid9 2 years ago
What may have been a great gain to the Wing Chun (Ving Tsun, Wing Tzun, Bum Chum OR however you spell it) world...
... was sadly an even bigger loss to the Turkish Kebab world.
Emin knew how to make a Yaprak Doner that could bring a warmth in your heart & a tear to your eye, even without any Chilli sauce.
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Si-fu Emin Boztepe Is the Best Master in the History of Wing Chun, He is not a legend, He is REAL.He is the ONE, he is a brilliant man and great and powerfull fighter
EBMASQUERETARO 2 years ago
He is pretty amazing, but dont mistake him for the best because he is not. Lets not forget GM Lueng ting, Keith Kernspect, and of course Emin still takes lesson from GM Latosa. Latosa is known for eating up wt practicioners and is at the same level of his art as Lueng ting or Kernspect is in theres
sihingpatrick 2 years ago
LOL> Typo's. There's plenty.
BILLGETSSTRONG 2 years ago
I disagree with that idea. The backfist is only as useless as the targeting. here's planty of targets which will drop a man fast if one knows how and where. But hey, to each his own. Use what works for you.
BILLGETSSTRONG 2 years ago
A simple read of Wing Chun by James Yim Lee/Bruce Lee shows that the backfist is not included in wing chun and was added by Bruce himself. Classic text and worth reading. Peace.
BILLGETSSTRONG 2 years ago 3
@BILLGETSSTRONG could be true, nice to know, thanks
WingChunHard 4 weeks ago
The guy's a thug.
Nephronial 2 years ago
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KaynaTax 2 years ago
emin is good but i see flaws all the time.
the backfist is actully a hadicap as u wont devolop other moves,if u relie on it.
but i love,how emin grapples.
he pins his opponents arms or legs,jus like trapping but on the ground,very smart fighter.
jumokdragon 2 years ago
figon
Ciski88 3 years ago
emin boztepe is best
en iyisi
se on paras
is better
daha ne konusturuyorsunuz beni en iyisi.. bu da bu lauklara kapak olsun..
safkan83 3 years ago
Bruce Lee die to early moron and by the way a lot of Bruce Lee followers are teaching his technique, just few are teaching the real thing call Tao of Jeet Kune Do (extremelly effective, by the way I have been practicing it for the past 20years my self)all these man proclaim to the authentic and the only authorize is Dan Inosanto, Wing Tsun scam you need to take some seminars with Emin ignorant, you suppose to be humble and not disrespectful.
vzuani 3 years ago
For more than 20 years I've trained different martial arts, boxing, thaiboxing, kickboxing, karate, juijitsu, and all I can say: No other style is more effective in a real fight than Wing Tsun (Tzun, Chun). Wing Tsun is not for a ring, or similar, it's a self-defence system, NOT a sport.
BenKravitz 3 years ago 114
thats what i like hearing
dustynapalm 3 years ago 14
Amen.
YouImposter 3 years ago
@BenKravitz - I have trained WC (as well as other arts) and under a well-recognized teacher (Sifu Sunny Tang) and I have also trained Kali (Escrima/Arnis as some call it). I loved WC, lived it an breathed it.
In my humble opinion I would have to disagree with you. I find Kali to be a far superior art for real-life situations. One of my Kali teachers is a WC black sash and tells me he also feels that WC is missing something.
But I do agree WC is not a sport. Anyway, training in MA is good.
BetterLivesThruDeath 1 year ago
@BetterLivesThruDeath it may be true tt wing chun is not complete, and that may explain why ng mui (the founder of wingchun) has other styles (eg. dragon style) that are meant to complement wing chun. on top of tt, wing chun is supposed to be the stepping stone and basics to those styles.
wthigowt 1 year ago
@wthigowt To make the claim that "Wing Chun is not complete" is crazy. Anyone making the claim does not truly understand that it is a conept-based fighting method. Ng Mui knew other systems and took the best of them to create Wing Chun, not to complement it.
Takethisnamebitch 1 year ago
@BenKravitz its not about style its always depend on the fighter
Nhia89 1 year ago
@BenKravitz im agree but, for street i like aikido =)
Boby224 1 year ago
@Boby224 lol...seriously???
lao752 1 year ago
@BenKravitz then why does it need such embarrassing and stupid videos such as this one to get promoted ? :D plus: how come all wing chun experts that ever walked in a cage couldn't rely worth shit on w.c. to defend against skilled mma fighters or even pure grapplers ?
DrAndreiPopescu 11 months ago
@BenKravitz best comment ever, I'm so tired of all these MMA fans downing WT, Thank you
83dannyphantom 11 months ago
@BenKravitz there is no way in twenty years you would have become proficient in all these arts you just mentioned, to decide which one was more effective, you need at least 5 years to understand karate basics, this is before you begin to apply it, boxing, thai, jujitsu, and then wing chun, what is this the MATRIX!!!!
singhakabuttar 7 months ago
@singhakabuttar
If YOU have needed five long years to understand karate basics, you shouldnt think others have to do so in the same time! Real fighting is about simplicity and tactile decisions: the more actions/moves/techniques you have to estimate applying, the less chances you have got in a stressing situation of unpredictable incoming forces. I prefer that art, which hasnt that decisional-phase and there is only one method of systematic fighting - wingchun=chainpunches and forward-steps...
11Kralle 7 months ago
@11Kralle what you need to realise is that there are many untrained fighters that kick arse, now why is that! i think bruce answereed all these questions years back!!
singhakabuttar 7 months ago
@singhakabuttar
Do I? You should answer yourselfe one question first: Which arses are kicked by those untrained fighters? And are these fighters as untrained as you think - they might be bullies who practised to fight since kindergarden...
I think the apotheosis of Bruce Lee or even the mentioning of his `filmed achievements´ have to be seen with a critical distance. He didnt came up with a new theory of fighting or a new system, he copied it from his teachers, who never dared to trait that...
11Kralle 7 months ago
@11Kralle with a comment like that ! id like to kick your backside!!!
singhakabuttar 7 months ago
@singhakabuttar
Feel free to do so. I hope your legs are long enough. You also should get a good health insurance - my mom does not like her son beeing kicked from behind and she can be very mean.
A last will in written form would be appropriated too.
11Kralle 7 months ago
@11Kralle its people like you that get kicked in!!
singhakabuttar 7 months ago
@singhakabuttar
Please share more of your wisdom, great psychologist! I wonder, what you´ll reveal next time. Enlight a humble fool like me, who is going to be kicked in...
11Kralle 7 months ago
@singhakabuttar
Who said anything about being proficient in all those arts ? Over 20 years the guy tried all sorts of martial arts and concluded what was most effective in a real fight.period. Of course, that could mean only most effective for HIM specifically, because everyone is different in a way. You can never know until you try all, find what really turns you on, then maybe master that. lol 5 years karate basics, dude, that's not aikido...
DavorBa 6 months ago
@DavorBa what the hell are you going on about???
singhakabuttar 6 months ago
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@singhakabuttar I was quoting your comment : there is no way in twenty years you would have become proficient in all these arts you just mentioned, to decide which one was more effective, you need at least 5 years to understand karate basics, this is before you begin to apply it, boxing, thai, jujitsu, and then wing chun, what is this the MATRIX!!!! addressed to BenKravitz.
DavorBa 6 months ago
@BenKravitz May I ask sir, under which GM you trained under (what lineage). I would just like to know, seeing that you have a lot of experience in MA, what wing chun lineage made you come to a conclusion that wing chun is more effective in a real fight than all other arts you trained.
I also agree that wing chun isn't for ring, it's more like a krav maga, simple self-defense system, where you don't restrict it so you can have a longer fight, like martial sports do.
Peace
DavorBa 6 months ago
@BenKravitz it is not a coinsidence that the german special forces are gettin instructed in wing tsung... if something are germans are good in, than it is analyzing things... also in this topic. ;) I trust them ... also because i have seen real fights...
PEOPLE always think a real fight ends up like in tv.... or in the ring!!! U can learn many things or master a art! but u will lose against a moron , if u not master yourself!!!! maybe u agree to that....
Sinan97082 4 months ago
@Sinan97082 german forces do WT because u learn the most with a couple of hours of train per week. So WT is effective. They need to be good at Shooting. Self defense is the last thing thell do. If they had only fight with hands and more time for training I dont think they would learn WT. Instead of this Taekwondo would be better for strenghtn ur mind and body.
greetz
Greenarrow88 3 months ago
@BenKravitz It's no game it's Kung fu...
Kazuyaabi 4 months ago
@BenKravitz yes and you know this how? Because you've done lots of chi sao, lat sao, wooden dummy & lovely drills with a cooperating opponent. Rarely if ever applying it against all out realistic attacks & certainly rarely if ever sparring all out. WT is BS for the street and very limited. WT theory teaches get close apply pressure keep attacking with chain punching etc, go try it with someone Brock Lesnar's size! Tactically & strategy wise it is a joke too.
CloudsBeyond 2 months ago
@CloudsBeyond think... as a martial arts instruktor, what are you supposed to teach for example to a 50 year old woman who wants to learn how to defend herself agains somebody of brocks size. you would probably tell her to start lifting weights till she could out wrestle brock. why not teach her to attack his eyes, groin or throat cause its the only chance she has without useing a weapon even thow I agree it would be a small chance. btw because you dont know wt doesnt mean it doesnt work!
seriousrampage 2 months ago
@seriousrampage well don't teach her WT BS! Run in attacking stay close and keep hitting - yep that will work a treat with someone Brock's size. Yet that is exactly what WT strategy teaches get in close keep attacking - not only predictable as hell what a WT fighter will do, also just plain stupid to do against certain fighters. I know WT have been to Boztepe, Kernspecht & Ting seminars - all good at making money, all shit fighters & not teaching realistic street effective stuff.
CloudsBeyond 2 months ago
@CloudsBeyond what do you think ufc/mma is about? Hint:$
seriousrampage 2 months ago
@CloudsBeyond whats up if i do chi sao and sparring with uncooperative opponent, and work very well against bigger guys, im 5'5, 135, and defend easily agasint 5'9 185... if you think you know what wing chun teach, you are wrong.
WingChunHard 4 weeks ago
@WingChunHard you can't do Chi Sao with an uncoperating opponent, it is a game or exercise. Any decent MMA fighter will beat the crap out of you & you know it, go down your local MMA class & try your BS Wing Chun! Matt Thornton (look him up) has had many WCJ (Wing Chun Jokers) come down - none can make it work! Many Wing Chun people are overconfident when they play around with people, wooden dummys, forms, etc - all a load of BS for real fighting.
CloudsBeyond 4 weeks ago
@CloudsBeyond chi sao is made to helping you not to loose contact and get better sensivity, in sparring, you chi sao when you just move from what your opponent is doing.
I got down to local MA and i do judo at the same spot, people know me, i ve win 4 on 5 with very basic WC, even my judo teacher say im a good WChunner. This style is over 200 years old and has been used to make war, but funny to get some kind of guys like you talkshiting, show me wing chun is a respond to negativity
WingChunHard 4 weeks ago
@CloudsBeyond by the way, must say i dont like emin, and most wing chun we see today, my teacher, chinese who learned from ip man, taught me the real footwork, wich is realy different from what i see. anyway, why dont you just take your time on subject you are not familiar with, like fighting...
WingChunHard 4 weeks ago
@WingChunHard you are typical Wing Chun idiot! Yeh, you don't see WC guys in UFC because it is so deadly they would kill people/they can't use their deadliest techniques so won't enter....... The truth : WC is a joke style and not practical , any WC fighter would get his ass kicked by a UFC fighter in the cage or the street. WC is predictable as hell too - chain punches, few kicks, etc. Anytime you want to spar or fight, just let me know?
CloudsBeyond 3 weeks ago
@CloudsBeyond i suggest going to wing chun school and make a challenge...dont think you would do well though. i only been training wing chun for 2 yrs and i can tell ya it is very brutal. there is a lot you wont see on you tube...arm breaks,chin nah,blitz takedowns just to name a few theres a lot you do not see though the forms are very simple there are numerous applications that most teachers do not want to be put on film or cam etc.
xxdjcharlierockxx 3 weeks ago
@xxdjcharlierockxx I've done Wing Chun! I've been to seminars with William Cheung, Samuel Kwok, Emin Boztepe, Leung Ting, etc. It is basically BS! The problem is : people train really with other Wing Chun bums, they never really spar all out & do lots of dry land swimming - forms, dummy, nice partner drills, etc = making them over confident their deadly WC BS can work for real. Any decent MMA fighter will beat a Wing Chun guy in the cage or street - they train harder & actually fight.
CloudsBeyond 3 weeks ago
@CloudsBeyond those are some good names you learnd from,so i dont know how you can say what you say about w c but i will say this. mma is mixed marital arts, wc is a 300+ yr old martial art combing two different styles basically taken the most efficent parts of those styles and making it one. chin na for example is commonly used in mma and is found in the advanced part of wc but you hardly see that in videos but they are in the forms also wing chun is fairly new...read next comment
xxdjcharlierockxx 3 weeks ago
@xxdjcharlierockxx mma fighters are basically fighters that are committed to fight for a living and to go up in ranks etc most wc practitioners are just learning the art for interest but the possibility to really hurt somebody is still there where as if you took an absolute athlete committed to fighting using wc i would like his chances. bruce lee for example was an athlete in jeet kune do..
xxdjcharlierockxx 3 weeks ago
@xxdjcharlierockxx .he found that art threw wing chun do you think many mma fighters could beat him in his prime?
xxdjcharlierockxx 3 weeks ago
@xxdjcharlierockxx well said
nightfox2282 2 weeks ago
@xxdjcharlierockxx Wing Chun is hundreds of years old - it is a traditional martial art designed for small people - the Chinese (most are small in height and build), many have applied it to street fighting or added things (e.g. in WT anti grappling etc). MOST Wing Chun people can't hit very hard - they think they can but in reality their chain punching will tickle or just annoy a tough person. Wing Chun is very predictable & limited a style which is why Bruce Lee moved away from it.
CloudsBeyond 3 weeks ago
@CloudsBeyond hmm ok, let me throw 8 chain punches to your temple (side of head), kidney 25, stomach 15 pressure points above you pectoral muscles (chest muscles) or perhaps a go wan jeong (upward palm strike) to your neck. guarantee you'l retreat after the first hit. Bruce lee moved away from it because it is not filled with beauty that could be caught by camera for films. So he developed his own style which is still a base of wing chun not a completely different art.
nightfox2282 2 weeks ago
@nightfox2282 In the words of Gary Lam "wing chun is not good looking is only good using." No muscle round your kneecaps I think.
nightfox2282 2 weeks ago
@nightfox2282 lol nice...
xxdjcharlierockxx 2 weeks ago
@nightfox2282 better still - go in UFC with your BS and try it! What is stopping you? Boztepe made excuses not to fight in UFC & has ducked out of EVERY single challenge made to him (Blumming's students, Bas Rutten, William Cheung Instructors, etc). Bruce Lee moved away from Wing Chun because he saw its limitations, as does anyone with intelligence & knowledge of martial arts - your reason shows your sheer ignorance!
CloudsBeyond 2 weeks ago
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@CloudsBeyond considering I've trained in Ninjutsu, Aikedo, Shotokan and Wado ryu Karate and Wing Chun I guess that would make me MMA eh! Whats more I stand by Wing Chun as being an effective art. It is limited in its moves but that is deliberate. There are plenty of moves that will hurt like hell and don't have to kill. Whats more Wing Chun is not only fast strikes but also target balance. does not matter if your fifty foot tall if your legs are kicked out from under you your on the floor.
nightfox2282 2 weeks ago
It was Bruce lee himself that said "I don't fear the man who knows 10000 kicks, I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10000." So this makes you right on one count and wrong with another. Bruce Lee would not make this quote if he thought the simplicity of wing chun was a bad point. A MMA artist might know shed loads of moves but the person that has practiced them the most will have more skill. Jack of all trades master of none. the rest is as xxdjcharlierockxx says.
nightfox2282 2 weeks ago
@CloudsBeyond dude it lasted over 300 yrs...think it was useful. based on the reality of the 3 dimensions as they are affected by time, space and energy.
Specifically using inherit human physics and capitolizing on the known weaknesses of the human frame. Developing methods and techniques that are perfectly effective, regardless of size, strength, or gender. guess you didnt get that in your class...but hey it might not be for everybody though it was made for everybody...
xxdjcharlierockxx 2 weeks ago
@CloudsBeyond You make a good point. There is no room for ignorance in martial arts, regardless of style. Combat is unpredictable. One should train to adapt to as many situations as possible. If you don't cross train at least enough to understand how other systems work there is no way you can defend against someone with skill. Part of what makes martial arts fun is seeing how it works against others. it makes you keep improving.
GungFu4Life 1 week ago
@nightfox2282 jeet kune do(intercepting fist) is the same princple as wc..wing chun is a close combat fighting method where aas jeet kune do simply adds long range. but i agree 8 chain punches to the temple (lol) and so on the chain punch is like a battering ram the first hit or two dont have to know you out,it's the consisting strikes that will cave your chest or any other body part. but wing chun has a lot of trapping and close range skills very useful for anyone...great style!
xxdjcharlierockxx 2 weeks ago
@WingChunHard (see my previous post) and your teacher trained by Ip Man is??? As for not liking Emin, have you ever trained with him even once?
CloudsBeyond 3 weeks ago
@CloudsBeyond wich art are you training to?
WingChunHard 3 weeks ago
man you dont get out much into the kung fu world do you? emin is an average kung fu man ( with a steroid problem )its jack off guru suck ups like you runnin round givin kung fu a bad name. next thing youll be tellin me that he catches bullits with his teeth? CATCHES BULLITS IN HIS TEETH? NIGGA PLEASE! all joking aside, see all the families and the low key closed door desciples first let alone other esoteric styles before sucking dick. if your gonna suck dick suck the right one.
opticannon 4 years ago
boztepe is a good master but there is no only one master in the world
brambill 4 years ago 2
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Nice.
I like how you take this extremely personal. Bozetepe sure is the future of WT. WT is crap anyway. Hit them 1 million times! Grappling? What is that!? He took me down! What do I DO!?!?!
C'mon. Everyone knows that it's all a big joke. If you really want to "learn" how to fight, try going in the ring. I bet you can't do shit.
Enjoy your cancer.
YunSeung 4 years ago
grapplings a fucking joke . it only works in the ring and not on the streets. you try and grapple me ill put your fucking lights out or tear your flesh with any discipline at my disposal. rip your fucking eye out i will. you got to get in there first, you try and shoot my stance and strength from the pole is so low and strong itll be like your running at me head first with arms wide open. dont get me started. and i will fight dirty. you garapple in the streets and get stomped. and i took bjj
opticannon 4 years ago 4
HAHAHHAHHAHA RARE!
HAHHAHA LAT SAU!? wtf. Dude.
Bozetepe. Joke pls lawl.
YunSeung 4 years ago
AHAHAHAAHHA what fuck was that?
minustar 4 years ago
Ridicolous in every aspect!
FightingWarrior 4 years ago
Nice old footage.
Funny that the other three comments haven't ever uploaded any videos, only talk shit....
DrTzeus 4 years ago
Bruce Lee wannabe
TheBroncoMan 4 years ago