Sure the cheaper safes are just that. Cheap but the two fellows here were professional safe workers and knew just how to get in quicly. It also looks like the door was Skeletionized.
That safe wasn't made 100% in the USA most are imported from China and just given the finishing touches over here in the US. Our safes are 100% built right here in our factory in Southern California we offer real security for you and your belongings.
What makes us different from most other safe companies is that we specialize in custom order in any size or steel thickness you want.
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i have never seen a safe free standing in the middle of a room in a house. if its in a closet with no room on both sides of the safe them your demostration would never work, poor example if you ask me.
Meh. I think a good rule of thumb is that a safe probably shouldn't cost more than 25% of what it's protecting. If you have a few hunting rifles and an old .357 that you carry for protection on camping trips, a big-box safe is probably good enough. If you have a $20k+ collection of guns (or hope to) then invest in a top of the line safe. And if you have class III weapons, mortgage the house for a bomb-proof safe because you're in for a world of hurt if they get stolen.
The vast majority of gun "safes" are just RSCs... Also, why bother with the door? The sides & back are most vulnerable to a brute force attack and can be taken down by a fire axe, sledgehammer, angle grinder, or any number of other tools a criminal could "borrow" from your own garage. True valuables should be kept in a safe deposit box at a bank. Moral: if someone knows you have an RSC & wants what's in it, they're going to get it... just like with anything else.
If you look closely the bottm bolts look like they have been blurred to prevent you from seeing that they have not been secured. I have been working with metal for YEEAARS and even a properly boxed and welded 16 guage structural piece would not bend as easy as it was portrayed to here - and this is most likely a 12ga big box store safe used to demo here. Something wrong with this video!
@hobbyist1 The safe is not modified in any way. This particular model does not have bolts on the bottom of the door, or the top. They took this safe out of their inventory, unboxed it, and pried it open. Simple as that.
It is important to be educated on a gun safe before you buy it. Certain people require different levels of security in their gun safe than other people. I like to make sure people know what they're buying before they purchase a gun safe. At an absolute minimum make sure you look for a U.L. listing on your gun safe. Feel free to call The Safe Place for a proper education on gun safes.
@solidheart100 UL security ratings are useless on any of the residential security containers. The only ratings that are useful ar the UL TL/TR ratings.
How many thieves have you guys heard of that are that methodical and patient when robbing someone and bring 3+ foot prybars? Also the door definitely looks gutted out. Granted these guys make a nice looking and probably very secure safe but I have a safe to keep the average druggie away from my guns. I'll stick with the one I've got .
@aaron1prov1 Working in the security business we see it happen all the time. One of the big things going on right now is theft rings. They are methodical, prepared, and well equipped.
Two questions: Where do you find professional thieves? (lol) And can we see some professional (or at least the same guys you used in this video) thieves breaking into a liberty safe?
Any expert will tell you that any safe can be cracked it's just a matter of time and expertise, it'd be cool to show the time difference (or level of sophistication required).
@akkrauta in states such as California, criminals who repeatedly are convicted of tyne same type of crime can be listed as "Career Criminals" because they refuse to do anything other than commit crimes.
IF YOU LOOK REAL CLOSELY WHEN THEY POP THE DOOR OPEN. YOU WILL SEE THAT THEY USED A VERY FLIMSY DOOR. MOST SAFE DOORS WILL NOT BEND LIKE THAT. I BELIEVE THIS IS A UNREALISTIC TEST. THEY ALSO WEAKENED IT BEFORE HAND BECAUSE LOOK AT THE BACK OF THE DOOR. IT IS GONE. ITS JUST ANOTHER WAY TO SELL YOU AN OVERPRICED SAFE. GO TO A REPUTABLE SHOP AND ASK A REPUTABLE SAFE SALES PERSON WHAT TO BUY. YOU DONT NEED A 10k safe
@LUVMAGNUMGUNS2 The safe was not modified at all. It is an entry level model safe like he talked about, and that is how all of them are built industry wide. The door panel fell off inside the safe as the prying was happening. The door panel is only a piece of sheetrock with fabric on it.
This video is the most unrealistic thing you'll see. First, how many of you keep your safe in a 20'x20' room, and not bolted to the floor? Next, professional thieves, they'd take the whole safe and cut it open at their leisure. Nearly all home burglaries are committed by drug users looking for pawnable items for a quick score. A crackhead won't spend more than 3 minutes in a house. Bedroom drawers, tool shed, dining room silver - this is the pattern they follow.
@rubesrjc6927 Exactly.. Safe's should be bolted to the floor which prevents them from tipping it over and mounted so that the "side they're prying from" is on a wall, so they can't get in there..
I bought my safe for about $1K. I dare anyone to find it, and get to it. I noticed the safe in the video only had horizontal slugs. Half of using a safe is placement within the home. The other half is the method in which is lock's, how it's mounted, and how it's positioned.
Great video. I think is sad that safe manufacturers import their products from China and bluntly lie to our faces when we ask where the safes are made.
@homeostasis4me It is definitely hard to make off with one if it is bolted, but cheap safes can still be pried open, or beat open with a hammer even if they can't be moved.
@georgio941 We see people in nice neighborhoods get their houses broken into. One guy came home from work one day, and two guys were down stairs prying into his safe. He lives in a $500,000.00 home according to zillow, and that is in this current economy.
Graffunder safes are the real deal. That home depot crap is a total waste of money. They are so light a thief would just use a dolly and take the whole safe and load it on a truck and open it at their leisure. The weight of the safe is very important too.
@GunNut1993 Browning makes some good product, and their entry level product is not good. Anyones entry level or cheap safe lines are typically lacking in security and fire protection for most real world situations.
@NWSafeCo it would be almost impossible if it is in a closet with 2 by 6 walls around it. because the pry bar would be to long. just a thought. but you are right, you do get what you pay for.
@NWSafeCo Not saying you're wrong, but I'd like to see video proof of your claim. Please post a video of them getting into this safe with it standing up, bolted down, with the back and non-hinge side against a wall.
@westphoenixaz We have a picture of one we beat the top off with a 6lb mini sledge in in less than 3 minutes on the home page of our website. It is in the lower right corner. The safe stayed standing up the whole time.
@dusmx506 Most entry level safes on the market can still be pried open even if they are bolted down to the floor. You get what you pay for with safes.
@griffy85b Newer winchester safes are horrible. They skip weld the bodies and make them in china. You can pound the body apart with something as simple as a 3lb hammer. They are easy to pry open, and the locks on them are not very reliable.
Unrealistic. This video assumes the safe can be pushed over on its back and the full bodyweight of two people multiplied by leverage will be available. Lets see this video redone with an upright standing safe bolted to the floor like intended.
@boricua970 These things can still be pried open standing up, there isn't enough re-enforcement to the door frame, bolt attachment hardware, and door to make them un-pryable.
Bolt it to the floor, now it won't move. Attempt to pry on it the same way from the side. It may take longer depending on the size of those prying on it, but the physics are the same minus gravity's assistance.
My safe (around the same size) is bolted to the floor and wall in 8 places with blind brackets and setback into an area where there's no room to get leverage with a crowbar. Even a small jemmy bar.
That video shows a free standing safe with meters of room around it to work with.
You have good placement then. The video is a demonstration of materials and build quality not entry techniques.
I've seen some very creative entries on houses and safes. A notable mention was break in on a McMansion in a rural area nearby. The family was on vacation so the thieves took a power saw to the aluminum siding, cutting their own door. Once in, they had plenty of time to work on the TL-15 in the basement that was recessed and bolted in concrete. Pros not smash and grab.
@subsquiggle Thats the exact reason my firearms (my safe is for firearms) go on a holiday to a friends safe when I go away for an extended length of time. Something everyone should do
What's a higher end safe to you? $1000? I've known several people who have bolted down their safes. If I had a $400 safe that was capable of bolting down I would. Why half-ass it?
Exactly Why half-ass it...... it was a question... hence the word "WONDER" My safes are bolted down . But I know of people who just set it in place. I'm thinking a higher end safe would be in the $2000 or more range I'm talking gun safe here.
If they are BREAKING INTO YOUR HOUSE what would make you think if they care what they damage in order to get it tipped over? Furthermore, if you spend $1K on a 'premiun' safe what was just displayed is still unacceptable. You bought one didn't you?
Ever had experience with a safe bolted down to a concrete slab from inside the safe? How easy do you think that would be to "get tipped over"? No, I don't own a safe. One day I will.
I haven't missed any point. Although there may be a difference in build quality, this video tries to magnify it by the addition of levered mechanics which would not be possible in an actual real life situation. For those of you who don't know what I'm talking about, the force on the safe is equal to the mass x the length of the lever.
I think you have missed the point, that a safe shouldn't have to be lying on its back for someone to prove that it is junk. Let's see this test again with it standing upright as designed and bolted to the ground as intended.
@boricua970 in that case if you have an alarm system, two rottwilers, have the owner of the safe sit in front of it with a 12 gauge shotgun and see if they can break in. lol
This is true. Most people, including myself, are uneducated as to what makes a good safe and why spend the money. It's easy to think you got a cosco or cabelas bargain until you realize the crap that you bought is really just to keep your kids friends out but no more. You get a good education talking to safe professionals and comparing and learning. Better yet, talk to safe crackers. Those who get the call to open the safes when they go bad. These guys know their stuff. Once you are don
If that had been bolted to the floor it would have taken MUCH longer to get into it... If they even got in.
Most thieves will not mess around if they find a safe. They *might* remember and plan to come back later, but most will not want to make that kind of noise.
I'm pretty sure I couldn't afford one of these upper scale safes, I would prefer to keep my guns in a place where my children realistically would not be able to get them. Better there than in a glass display case. The majority of safes sold are probably for guns. and are effective for the purpose. If I was hiding a million dollars I would buy a better safe. but I refuse to feel irresponsible about storing my guns in a safe like the one cracked above.
@Striwa88 Surely your first safe should be just as good as one you aim to own later on? In now way should money be scrounged on safety equipment such as safes.
@mmnp43 This video is great because it shows how vulnerable these cheap gun safes are. I was about to buy one until I realized it was just sheet metal. The man at the spot told me about this and showed me all about safes. If I buy a safe, it will be a real safe, not a hoax. concrete,steel,copper,secure design - all that stuff.
many posts on here about plasma cutters ...lol....seriously, how many thieves carry a plasma cutter AND an air compresssor big enough to run the plasma and have the time to hook it all up, power it all up and cut apart a safe....sounds like an ocean's 11 movie..lot of time and lot of moise let alone finding enough power to operate both
more than likely they might carry a cordless side grinder with a cutoff wheel but plasma AND air compressor.....rare event I'd bet
@merciles33 Seriously! And if a crook can afford all that Oceans's Eleven stuff, they sure won't be making a profit from what's in my safe! I mean, will they recoup the cost by selling my DVDs of family photos? Probably not.
@NWSafeCo well put. I too keep a firearm at the ready and also carry concealed when not at home. this video was my inspiration to build my own safe. as a machinist I found most safes are built in a fashion that gives you a false sense of security. the majority have locking bolts that engage a bent sheet metal edge. not something thats very secure at all. in fact many of them are imported from china and re-branded. don't believe it? do your due diligence and do the research for yourself.
Cool video and obviously there are going to be different variants in a house to house situation.. I think a lot of people missed the point of the video and started using criminal mentality of what they would do or defense mentality on bolting it down etc.. The point is that if you buy a shitty made safe it will be easier to break into..
You should always bolt the safe to the floor/wall. And place the safe so that it's side is against a wall, with the side opposite the hinges closest to the wall (the side they were working on in the video). It is VERY difficult to get any leverage then to pry open the safe. Someone could still break it open; but it would be much more difficult.
Nope, I see lots of houses that even have alarms get broken into and cleaned out. The big thing lately is cutting phone wires outside the house. If you have an alarm, get a cell transmit unit.
No safe is really that safe even for the expensive ones. A friend of mine went on vacation. When he came home he found his house totally empty. Someone drove up in a moving van and took everything including the safe. The safe was one of those high dollar safes and was bolted to the floor (concrete). The crooks simple broke the concrete under the safe and installed some small button hydraulic rams under the safe and pried the safe from the concrete. The neighbors thought they were moving.
It wasn't a pro job, it was a theft ring. They are usually more like in the middle. Honestly it doesn't take much to figure out how to cut wiring on the side of a house, set the alarm off, and see if the police show up. They left the safe inside alone and completely untouched, it was a Liberty Lincoln 50.
@NWSafeCo If they're too heavy to move how do you get them installed? If you can move it a crook can move it. The only real protection against crooks breaking in and stealing your stuff is to be there to stop them. You won't slow down a pro for a second despite your outlandish claims. Again you obviously picked the easiest safe to break in you could find and then you claim "all entry safes are about alike". Does that include YOUR entrly level safes because they sure look cheap to me.
Again we did not make this video. We are not a manufacturer. We do sell safes that are built similar to this though. Pretty much all entry level safes are the same. Some are even easier to break into than the one shown. You can slow down a pro. There are safes out there with ball bearing anti drill plates, schrader anti drill plates, 2.5' of A36 steel in front of the lock in the door, and Group 1 locks on them. If your attracting a pro, more than likely can afford to deter the pro.
i would like to own a large safe, 1. it is fire and theft proof. 2. it is large enough to store long guns and can also store a large number of handguns neatly. 3 can store in a very orderly manner documents such as birth certificate, military papers, college diploma4. can safely store other small valuables.
what kind of ul rating was it? they probaly test with the safe bolted upright, im going to try to put 6 bolts in the floor and at least 4 in the wall. i bet there is 143,760 people wanting to know what name brand safe this was
Bolt safes through the floor, not the wall. Bolting through the wall inhibits fire protection, and makes a mess of the fire insulation inside. Most safes come pre-drilled with bolt down holes in the floor. UL RSC ratings on safes are a joke. Dont ever by a safe based on one. The UL rating on this safe doesn't matter, because it carries the same rating as a $2,300.00 safe.
@TheBgcheez This video was produced by Graffunder Safes. It's straight off their website. They are top of the line. A 30 cubic foot safe from them will run you around $6000-$7000, depending on the security classification.
This video was not produced by Graffunder, it was produced by Rogue safe Company in Oregon. They are just a safe store, they are not even a manufacturer.
Thanks for setting me straight. I apologize for putting out bad info. I must have ASSumed it was from Graffunder since they feature the video prominantly on their website.
Its going to depend on what you want to lock up. You have to find the balance that justifies the amount being protected by the amount spent to do it. Some things are irreplaceable, and some things may just be sentimental.
When you buy a safe, your buying time. The more you spend, the more time you get. If you layer security, you can make it awfully hard for even someone who knows what they are doing to get in the safe.
I bought a Liberty Lincoln and this scared me.. I know they are made of folded sheet steel. But then I watched again 4:19 the guy with one arm lifts the door. I can't open the door like that on mine because it weighs several hundred pounds (with 4-sided bolts). But I noticed you can pay $4-5K for a Liberty NS (RSC) when you can pay the same or a little more for a TRUE safe like Graffunder/AMSEC. It seems price:security correlates up to mid-range RSC but an upper-end RSC isn't worth it at all.
An upper end safe is worth every bit of security, and fire protection. Just about every manufacturer sells entry level crap like the safe shown. Then even the midrange, and on into the high end safes deter this type of attack entirely.
There's many companies who are in the "top end" of safe companies that reinforce the entire body by adding thicker steel all around. The fact that most "red-neck safe cracking methods" utilize tipping the safe over onto it's side is a big part of the method. Many people don't even consider placing their safe in the home by securing it to the floor and placing it hinge side against a wall. Simple placement of your safe is a big deal and many folks lack common sense when it comes to this.
When your safe is against a wall and as stated, has guns, ammo, etc in it, I don't see this working as easily. Also in many homes there isn't so much space around the safe to pry it open without running into furniture and such.
Personally, I have a keypad dead bolt on my bedroom door which also contains all of my work equipment, my safe (which also requires a combo to open and is a big SOB), all of my radio comms, and I have backup power ran to everything in the room. Have a safe room.
Where's the video of someone trying to break into a Liberty safe? And shouldn't these tests be done by an independent tester? Did they pick the cheapest built safe they could find for this "test"? This stuff is pure propaganda. There are so many questions it would take 3 days to answer them all. The fact they didn't even attempt to show how their safes worked under the same conditions says everything. It says BS. Nice sales pitch. Get what you pay for - the salesman's creed. Bah humbug!
This is an independent tester. They picked an entry level safe made by a highly reputable safe manufacturer. The fact is, all the manufacturers entry level safes are pretty much the same construction wise, and fire protection wise. Thats all their is to it. I realize that everyone on here is an expert in their own minds. Really ask yourself, what would it take to make the skeptics believers? What do I need to do to show you that this isn't a pitch, and that its a sad reality.
I would like to see them be able to do what they did without knocking the safe on it's back first. Both men used all of there weight on the bars, not possible to do if the safe is still upright.
Ok, well says it is bolted down. Then what about the fire rating. We usually dont see a safe rated under 60 minutes survive a total loss housefire. The inside of the safe is usually thrashed and ruined. So now you have another incentive to look for something of quality.
1. Not bolted to a wall. Pushing it over gives you mechanical advantage with leverage - i.e. gravity means you can apply your entire body weight to the pry bar, which is not possible when the safe is upright.
2. Pushing it over made enough noise to wake the dead, let alone the home-owner in the next room.
@trenthouse4life Not entirely true. My dad had a small gun safe which contained just personal documents that were useless to the thieves. They managed to tear it out of the wall and pryed/smashed it open. Bolting to a wall helps, but given the time they can rip it out of a wall easily enough. Brick walls just aren't that strong. Concrete is another story.
@shades2 sorry to hear about that, hope his insurance covered it. i am going through all manner of palaver in my house at the moment trying to find a concrete wall strong enough to support my new safe.
Mind you, in the video, it isn't even bolted to a brick wall, much less a concrete one! and i hope your dad wasn't there when it was happening, was he?
@trenthouse4life Nah parents were out thankfully, damage was covered under insurance, but it taught me a good lesson that most interior brick walls are hopelessly weak, particularly with today's crummy bricks. Concrete is certainly a lot stronger and would make the job much harder for thieves. I suspect these were just a pack of kids and they still managed to bash/pry it out of a brick wall.
Safes should be bolted to the floor. Bolting it to the wall can compromise the fire rating, make a mess of the fire insulation, and leave a weakpoint to attack and break the safe loose.
People just dont bolt them down. For some reason people will buy a safe, move it into their own home. Then they think no one else will be able to move it out. We always recommend bolting down a safe.
@NWSafeCo Holy syntax malfunction! What I was saying a high end safe is probably for all intents and purpose “theft proof” for your run of the mill residential bugler
I can't get past several issues that call into question even a big, pricey safe:
1. Can't a plasma torch cut through even the 7 ga. steel on Presidential model Liberty safe? 2. What about safe pro who takes his tools (the kind you depend on to open your safe if you can't get in) and goes "bad?" 3. Is safe installation company honest (even one dishonest guy there could leak your address to burglar friends for a "cut.")
A 220v plasma can easily cut through a 7ga safe, its a little harder for a 110v unit. However, most thieves that pry open safes are oppurtunist and drug addicts. If they had a plasma cutter, then they would pawn it for money to buy crack. Some top of the line safes also have a concrete liner, and an inner steel side wall as well. This makes it a ton harder to cut through the wall.
@teller121 Most are 110v. Not to mention if you have a 220v plasma, you have to locate a 220v outlet in the home to use. One of the big names known for great security and fire protection with concrete insulation is Graffunder.
@NWSafeCo I just looked them up. There info isn't quite as user friendly as Liberty but they do advertise the concrete layer that I don't believe Liberty does. My concern is that Graffunder seems to mention the concrete layer more in the context of fire protection than resistance to cutting. I'm more concerned with the cutter than fire but you seem to think that concrete would be useful to resisting cutters. One Graffunder weighed 3700 lbs. Can average home foundation hold that much weight?
I have a video of a lock being beat off a safe in 1:39 while the safe is standing up, and the door is simply opened at the end. Safes without relockers are useless also. I dont think everyone understands the point being made here. Cheap safes dont work regardless of how they are mounted. Real quality safes offer real protection.
A good video and question, Does that mean a $2500 safe will take 4 and half minutes to pry open? I would like to see the test done to both a 1K and 2.5K safes bolted to the floor
A $2500 safe can take quite some time to open. I have personally pried on a 2009 model Liberty lincoln on its back for almost an hour with no luck at getting into it. If you buy a quality safe, then you get real protection.
@bellgareth Not really. All you would need is leverage and leverage can be gained very easily with a pry bar. Also having the safe standing up removes the problem of the weighing so much. So I would say it makes it easier to get into if you bolt it to the floor next to a wall like you suggested.
@dellhater Just to let yk I had a safe that the key was lost and combination was forgotten. It was bolted to the floor and against the garage wall. I used my prybar to get into it in just over 5 mins. The fact that the door was very heavy made it very easy. The sad thing is that after that I unbolted it from the concrete floor took it to the middle of my yard and started beating the shit outta' it for fun and with a crow bar; I was able to puncture the sides very easy and pry open a large hole.
@bellgareth Dude - gun safes use 1/8" sheet metal. Real safes use 1" steel with a combination of concrete, copper, etc, and a design that makes smashing in the door impossible.
Sure the cheaper safes are just that. Cheap but the two fellows here were professional safe workers and knew just how to get in quicly. It also looks like the door was Skeletionized.
WhiteBreadLife 4 days ago
With the safe bolted to the floor so you cant tip it over like a glass of milk
RymosRealm 1 week ago
The scary music made me believe this was real.... Dahtttt... Not... Good luck getting that big ass crowbar in a 4x6 enclosed closet
RymosRealm 1 week ago
I call bullsh** that door was hollow and bending like a tin can when they raised the lt up!
bigpee733 2 weeks ago
Wow. Never knew. Thanks.
nadbooker 2 weeks ago
That safe wasn't made 100% in the USA most are imported from China and just given the finishing touches over here in the US. Our safes are 100% built right here in our factory in Southern California we offer real security for you and your belongings.
What makes us different from most other safe companies is that we specialize in custom order in any size or steel thickness you want.
Please visit our website for more information sun welding safes. com
SunWeldingSafe 3 weeks ago
i have never seen a safe free standing in the middle of a room in a house. if its in a closet with no room on both sides of the safe them your demostration would never work, poor example if you ask me.
TheTacticalDefender 1 month ago 2
Meh. I think a good rule of thumb is that a safe probably shouldn't cost more than 25% of what it's protecting. If you have a few hunting rifles and an old .357 that you carry for protection on camping trips, a big-box safe is probably good enough. If you have a $20k+ collection of guns (or hope to) then invest in a top of the line safe. And if you have class III weapons, mortgage the house for a bomb-proof safe because you're in for a world of hurt if they get stolen.
JofoTubin 1 month ago
The other thing missing in this video is one of the burglars tolerating 2 minutes of pain with my pitbull chewing on his ass.
hobbyist1 1 month ago 2
The vast majority of gun "safes" are just RSCs... Also, why bother with the door? The sides & back are most vulnerable to a brute force attack and can be taken down by a fire axe, sledgehammer, angle grinder, or any number of other tools a criminal could "borrow" from your own garage. True valuables should be kept in a safe deposit box at a bank. Moral: if someone knows you have an RSC & wants what's in it, they're going to get it... just like with anything else.
PTPetra 1 month ago
It forgot to shave its face.
ss9922 2 months ago
Might aswell use an angle grinder.
Bizza1987 3 months ago
This video illustrates the importance of team work
Anarchy2010 3 months ago
Is that a Liberty Fatboy safe or something else?
EverythingisFire 3 months ago
@EverythingisFire The fatboy is a lot more security and fire protection than the safe in this video. The fatboy is also bigger.
NWSafeCo 2 months ago
@NWSafeCo
Oh, okay. Good! I like the 'Fatboy' haha.
EverythingisFire 2 months ago
By the time they got that far they'd be bleeding and full of holes, in my house.
EchoOfLohengrin 4 months ago
@EchoOfLohengrin If your home.
Snopczynski 2 months ago
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Snopczynski 2 months ago
.....and 12x more expensive.
ufosorufhoax13 4 months ago
If you look closely the bottm bolts look like they have been blurred to prevent you from seeing that they have not been secured. I have been working with metal for YEEAARS and even a properly boxed and welded 16 guage structural piece would not bend as easy as it was portrayed to here - and this is most likely a 12ga big box store safe used to demo here. Something wrong with this video!
hobbyist1 4 months ago 5
@hobbyist1 The safe is not modified in any way. This particular model does not have bolts on the bottom of the door, or the top. They took this safe out of their inventory, unboxed it, and pried it open. Simple as that.
Snopczynski 2 months ago
It is important to be educated on a gun safe before you buy it. Certain people require different levels of security in their gun safe than other people. I like to make sure people know what they're buying before they purchase a gun safe. At an absolute minimum make sure you look for a U.L. listing on your gun safe. Feel free to call The Safe Place for a proper education on gun safes.
solidheart100 5 months ago
@solidheart100 UL security ratings are useless on any of the residential security containers. The only ratings that are useful ar the UL TL/TR ratings.
Snopczynski 2 months ago
How many thieves have you guys heard of that are that methodical and patient when robbing someone and bring 3+ foot prybars? Also the door definitely looks gutted out. Granted these guys make a nice looking and probably very secure safe but I have a safe to keep the average druggie away from my guns. I'll stick with the one I've got .
aaron1prov1 5 months ago
@aaron1prov1 Working in the security business we see it happen all the time. One of the big things going on right now is theft rings. They are methodical, prepared, and well equipped.
Snopczynski 2 months ago
Two questions: Where do you find professional thieves? (lol) And can we see some professional (or at least the same guys you used in this video) thieves breaking into a liberty safe?
Any expert will tell you that any safe can be cracked it's just a matter of time and expertise, it'd be cool to show the time difference (or level of sophistication required).
akkrauta 5 months ago
@akkrauta in states such as California, criminals who repeatedly are convicted of tyne same type of crime can be listed as "Career Criminals" because they refuse to do anything other than commit crimes.
usn020702 4 months ago
I think the competition is starting to hurt this guy....
dwightmorrisva 5 months ago
IF YOU LOOK REAL CLOSELY WHEN THEY POP THE DOOR OPEN. YOU WILL SEE THAT THEY USED A VERY FLIMSY DOOR. MOST SAFE DOORS WILL NOT BEND LIKE THAT. I BELIEVE THIS IS A UNREALISTIC TEST. THEY ALSO WEAKENED IT BEFORE HAND BECAUSE LOOK AT THE BACK OF THE DOOR. IT IS GONE. ITS JUST ANOTHER WAY TO SELL YOU AN OVERPRICED SAFE. GO TO A REPUTABLE SHOP AND ASK A REPUTABLE SAFE SALES PERSON WHAT TO BUY. YOU DONT NEED A 10k safe
LUVMAGNUMGUNS2 5 months ago
@LUVMAGNUMGUNS2 I noticed the exact same thing about the door prior to reading your comment. Glad someone else picked up on it.
DangDitty 5 months ago
@LUVMAGNUMGUNS2 The safe was not modified at all. It is an entry level model safe like he talked about, and that is how all of them are built industry wide. The door panel fell off inside the safe as the prying was happening. The door panel is only a piece of sheetrock with fabric on it.
Snopczynski 2 months ago
This video is the most unrealistic thing you'll see. First, how many of you keep your safe in a 20'x20' room, and not bolted to the floor? Next, professional thieves, they'd take the whole safe and cut it open at their leisure. Nearly all home burglaries are committed by drug users looking for pawnable items for a quick score. A crackhead won't spend more than 3 minutes in a house. Bedroom drawers, tool shed, dining room silver - this is the pattern they follow.
adp113 5 months ago
thats why you shoot them before they can even come close to the safe
m16police 5 months ago 9
@m16police If your home.
Snopczynski 2 months ago
@Snopczynski chances are I will be but go ahead and take the chance...
m16police 2 months ago
if the safe were bolted down and placed in a corner wall they would not have room for wrecking bar 2 pry door open
rubesrjc6927 7 months ago
@rubesrjc6927 Exactly.. Safe's should be bolted to the floor which prevents them from tipping it over and mounted so that the "side they're prying from" is on a wall, so they can't get in there..
Tramsootru 7 months ago
I'm a professional too
crackerms0100 7 months ago
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crackerms0100 7 months ago
I bought my safe for about $1K. I dare anyone to find it, and get to it. I noticed the safe in the video only had horizontal slugs. Half of using a safe is placement within the home. The other half is the method in which is lock's, how it's mounted, and how it's positioned.
Joe11Blue 8 months ago 2
Great video. I think is sad that safe manufacturers import their products from China and bluntly lie to our faces when we ask where the safes are made.
homelandsafes 8 months ago
@homelandsafes The safe used for this is currently manufactured in the USA.
Snopczynski 2 months ago
Are there Ratings for safes?
BigDirtyBasterd 8 months ago
@homeostasis4me It is definitely hard to make off with one if it is bolted, but cheap safes can still be pried open, or beat open with a hammer even if they can't be moved.
NWSafeCo 11 months ago
@georgio941 We see people in nice neighborhoods get their houses broken into. One guy came home from work one day, and two guys were down stairs prying into his safe. He lives in a $500,000.00 home according to zillow, and that is in this current economy.
NWSafeCo 11 months ago
Graffunder safes are the real deal. That home depot crap is a total waste of money. They are so light a thief would just use a dolly and take the whole safe and load it on a truck and open it at their leisure. The weight of the safe is very important too.
georgio941 1 year ago
@GunNut1993 Browning makes some good product, and their entry level product is not good. Anyones entry level or cheap safe lines are typically lacking in security and fire protection for most real world situations.
Snopczynski 1 year ago
they couldnt do it with it installed
dusmx506 1 year ago
@dusmx506 On that safe they could pry it open even if it had been bolted down.
NWSafeCo 1 year ago
@NWSafeCo it would be almost impossible if it is in a closet with 2 by 6 walls around it. because the pry bar would be to long. just a thought. but you are right, you do get what you pay for.
thanks agian
dusmx506 1 year ago
@NWSafeCo Not saying you're wrong, but I'd like to see video proof of your claim. Please post a video of them getting into this safe with it standing up, bolted down, with the back and non-hinge side against a wall.
westphoenixaz 11 months ago
@westphoenixaz We have a picture of one we beat the top off with a 6lb mini sledge in in less than 3 minutes on the home page of our website. It is in the lower right corner. The safe stayed standing up the whole time.
w w w. nwsafe.com
NWSafeCo 11 months ago
@dusmx506 Most entry level safes on the market can still be pried open even if they are bolted down to the floor. You get what you pay for with safes.
Snopczynski 1 year ago
@GunNut1993 Thanks for the advice. : )
griffy85b 1 year ago
@GunNut1993 How do winchester safes hold up?
griffy85b 1 year ago
@griffy85b Newer winchester safes are horrible. They skip weld the bodies and make them in china. You can pound the body apart with something as simple as a 3lb hammer. They are easy to pry open, and the locks on them are not very reliable.
Snopczynski 1 year ago
Just keep your guns on you lol
ShawnCFarm 1 year ago
Unrealistic. This video assumes the safe can be pushed over on its back and the full bodyweight of two people multiplied by leverage will be available. Lets see this video redone with an upright standing safe bolted to the floor like intended.
boricua970 1 year ago 52
@boricua970 It would turn out the same, it just may take small amount of time longer. A cheap safe on the ground is still a cheap safe standing up.
NWSafeCo 1 year ago 13
@NWSafeCo I'd like to see him jump with that bar and get that leverage with that bolted down and next to a wall...
nicklesaj05 11 months ago
@NWSafeCo That's not true either, you wouldn't be able to use your body weight on the pry bar. This is a BS add.
samrhaley 3 months ago
@boricua970 These things can still be pried open standing up, there isn't enough re-enforcement to the door frame, bolt attachment hardware, and door to make them un-pryable.
Snopczynski 1 year ago
@boricua970
Nope. Very realistic.
Bolt it to the floor, now it won't move. Attempt to pry on it the same way from the side. It may take longer depending on the size of those prying on it, but the physics are the same minus gravity's assistance.
subsquiggle 11 months ago
@subsquiggle I wouldn't say very
My safe (around the same size) is bolted to the floor and wall in 8 places with blind brackets and setback into an area where there's no room to get leverage with a crowbar. Even a small jemmy bar.
That video shows a free standing safe with meters of room around it to work with.
mjr350 11 months ago
@mjr350
You have good placement then. The video is a demonstration of materials and build quality not entry techniques.
I've seen some very creative entries on houses and safes. A notable mention was break in on a McMansion in a rural area nearby. The family was on vacation so the thieves took a power saw to the aluminum siding, cutting their own door. Once in, they had plenty of time to work on the TL-15 in the basement that was recessed and bolted in concrete. Pros not smash and grab.
subsquiggle 11 months ago
@subsquiggle Thats the exact reason my firearms (my safe is for firearms) go on a holiday to a friends safe when I go away for an extended length of time. Something everyone should do
mjr350 10 months ago
@subsquiggle
Discounting gravity is ridiculous. That is a whole lot of assistance.
boricua970 8 months ago
@boricua970 yea with no room to tip this thing over it could not have been done
Nicho2177 10 months ago
@boricua970 Also theres no bolts on the bottom and top of the door!!!!!!
jrnls 10 months ago
@boricua970
wonder what is the percentage of safe that are actually bolted down.... my guess only the higher end safes
robtx2116 10 months ago
@robtx2116
What's a higher end safe to you? $1000? I've known several people who have bolted down their safes. If I had a $400 safe that was capable of bolting down I would. Why half-ass it?
boricua970 8 months ago
@boricua970
Exactly Why half-ass it...... it was a question... hence the word "WONDER" My safes are bolted down . But I know of people who just set it in place. I'm thinking a higher end safe would be in the $2000 or more range I'm talking gun safe here.
robtx2116 8 months ago
@boricua970
If they are BREAKING INTO YOUR HOUSE what would make you think if they care what they damage in order to get it tipped over? Furthermore, if you spend $1K on a 'premiun' safe what was just displayed is still unacceptable. You bought one didn't you?
CarlosCastro1985 10 months ago
@CarlosCastro1985
Ever had experience with a safe bolted down to a concrete slab from inside the safe? How easy do you think that would be to "get tipped over"? No, I don't own a safe. One day I will.
boricua970 8 months ago
@boricua970
"No, I don't own a safe."
I've proved my point.
CarlosCastro1985 4 months ago
@boricua970
"No, I don't own a safe."
I've proved my point.
CarlosCastro1985 4 months ago
@boricua970 You've obviously missed the point.
homelandsafes 8 months ago
@homelandsafes
I haven't missed any point. Although there may be a difference in build quality, this video tries to magnify it by the addition of levered mechanics which would not be possible in an actual real life situation. For those of you who don't know what I'm talking about, the force on the safe is equal to the mass x the length of the lever.
boricua970 8 months ago
@homelandsafes
I think you have missed the point, that a safe shouldn't have to be lying on its back for someone to prove that it is junk. Let's see this test again with it standing upright as designed and bolted to the ground as intended.
boricua970 8 months ago
@boricua970 in that case if you have an alarm system, two rottwilers, have the owner of the safe sit in front of it with a 12 gauge shotgun and see if they can break in. lol
homelandsafes 8 months ago
I agree with you, but you could then pry on it while standing. Althought it would be more difficult to pry on it standing up it could be done.
SauceHK 2 months ago
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I agree with you, but you could then pry on it while standing. Althought it would be more difficult to pry on it standing up it could be done.
SauceHK 2 months ago
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NWSafeCo: Then show that and prove me wrong.
"This safe would not have taken long to pry open even if it had been bolted to the floor."
RDHzone 1 year ago
This is true. Most people, including myself, are uneducated as to what makes a good safe and why spend the money. It's easy to think you got a cosco or cabelas bargain until you realize the crap that you bought is really just to keep your kids friends out but no more. You get a good education talking to safe professionals and comparing and learning. Better yet, talk to safe crackers. Those who get the call to open the safes when they go bad. These guys know their stuff. Once you are don
dive4air 1 year ago
@dive4air This is true, and I am one of those "Safe crackers".
NWSafeCo 1 year ago
@NWSafeCo What brand do you recommend?
griffy85b 1 year ago
If that had been bolted to the floor it would have taken MUCH longer to get into it... If they even got in.
Most thieves will not mess around if they find a safe. They *might* remember and plan to come back later, but most will not want to make that kind of noise.
RDHzone 1 year ago
@RDHzone This safe would not have taken long to pry open even if it had been bolted to the floor.
NWSafeCo 1 year ago
safes are only for people who are rich, have a lot of guns, or is just paranoid. imo
zachaqsw 1 year ago
@zachaqsw The majority of people we sell safes too are not rich, and dont have a ton of guns. Safes are for everyone.
NWSafeCo 1 year ago
I'm pretty sure I couldn't afford one of these upper scale safes, I would prefer to keep my guns in a place where my children realistically would not be able to get them. Better there than in a glass display case. The majority of safes sold are probably for guns. and are effective for the purpose. If I was hiding a million dollars I would buy a better safe. but I refuse to feel irresponsible about storing my guns in a safe like the one cracked above.
blabaduplatinum1 1 year ago 16
If you are wealthy enough for professional thieves to target you wouldn't you be able to buy a much better safe than what walmart sells?
Gspsx 1 year ago
How is the Dakota Executive as far as a first safe?
Striwa88 1 year ago
@Striwa88 Surely your first safe should be just as good as one you aim to own later on? In now way should money be scrounged on safety equipment such as safes.
TheEnglishRedneck45 1 year ago
@Striwa88 You should buy a safe like it is your last safe, not like your going to purchase another one down the road.
NWSafeCo 1 year ago
makes wanna buy one of theyre safes just to buy it the commercial is so good lol!!
AJ41069 1 year ago
nice video!!
AJ41069 1 year ago
@mmnp43 This video is great because it shows how vulnerable these cheap gun safes are. I was about to buy one until I realized it was just sheet metal. The man at the spot told me about this and showed me all about safes. If I buy a safe, it will be a real safe, not a hoax. concrete,steel,copper,secure design - all that stuff.
realbluntz 1 year ago
many posts on here about plasma cutters ...lol....seriously, how many thieves carry a plasma cutter AND an air compresssor big enough to run the plasma and have the time to hook it all up, power it all up and cut apart a safe....sounds like an ocean's 11 movie..lot of time and lot of moise let alone finding enough power to operate both
more than likely they might carry a cordless side grinder with a cutoff wheel but plasma AND air compressor.....rare event I'd bet
merciles33 1 year ago
@merciles33 Seriously! And if a crook can afford all that Oceans's Eleven stuff, they sure won't be making a profit from what's in my safe! I mean, will they recoup the cost by selling my DVDs of family photos? Probably not.
Vincerama 1 year ago
@NWSafeCo well put. I too keep a firearm at the ready and also carry concealed when not at home. this video was my inspiration to build my own safe. as a machinist I found most safes are built in a fashion that gives you a false sense of security. the majority have locking bolts that engage a bent sheet metal edge. not something thats very secure at all. in fact many of them are imported from china and re-branded. don't believe it? do your due diligence and do the research for yourself.
cforcht 1 year ago
@mmnp43 my reason for a safe is to store guns, if your home while someone is breaking in just shoot them
BALJIT147 1 year ago
Cool video and obviously there are going to be different variants in a house to house situation.. I think a lot of people missed the point of the video and started using criminal mentality of what they would do or defense mentality on bolting it down etc.. The point is that if you buy a shitty made safe it will be easier to break into..
mixwell1983 1 year ago
@mixwell1983 Exactly.
NWSafeCo 1 year ago
your safe should be bolted to the floor, or wall or in a corner like I did so they cant get any leverage.
Fujisuka 1 year ago
You should always bolt the safe to the floor/wall. And place the safe so that it's side is against a wall, with the side opposite the hinges closest to the wall (the side they were working on in the video). It is VERY difficult to get any leverage then to pry open the safe. Someone could still break it open; but it would be much more difficult.
flatspin11 1 year ago
wouldn't someone notice?
bobbysam232 1 year ago
@bobbysam232
Nope, I see lots of houses that even have alarms get broken into and cleaned out. The big thing lately is cutting phone wires outside the house. If you have an alarm, get a cell transmit unit.
NWSafeCo 1 year ago
@NWSafeCo
Well I guess your going to put live wires through your safe hehe wait they'll cut power man this sucks why don't you just make a under water safe >.<
bobbysam232 1 year ago
No safe is really that safe even for the expensive ones. A friend of mine went on vacation. When he came home he found his house totally empty. Someone drove up in a moving van and took everything including the safe. The safe was one of those high dollar safes and was bolted to the floor (concrete). The crooks simple broke the concrete under the safe and installed some small button hydraulic rams under the safe and pried the safe from the concrete. The neighbors thought they were moving.
fffreddie 1 year ago
@fffreddie Any information why this obvious pro job was done to this house? Did the bad guys have the ability to know that a large safe was inside?
teller121 1 year ago
@teller121
It wasn't a pro job, it was a theft ring. They are usually more like in the middle. Honestly it doesn't take much to figure out how to cut wiring on the side of a house, set the alarm off, and see if the police show up. They left the safe inside alone and completely untouched, it was a Liberty Lincoln 50.
NWSafeCo 1 year ago
@fffreddie
He should have layered security and had an alarm system with a cell backup. Protection doesn't just stop with owning a safe.
There is a difference in high dollar safes as well. Size and weight play a big roll in how hard something is to move even when empty.
NWSafeCo 1 year ago
@NWSafeCo If they're too heavy to move how do you get them installed? If you can move it a crook can move it. The only real protection against crooks breaking in and stealing your stuff is to be there to stop them. You won't slow down a pro for a second despite your outlandish claims. Again you obviously picked the easiest safe to break in you could find and then you claim "all entry safes are about alike". Does that include YOUR entrly level safes because they sure look cheap to me.
cj45629 1 year ago
@cj45629
Again we did not make this video. We are not a manufacturer. We do sell safes that are built similar to this though. Pretty much all entry level safes are the same. Some are even easier to break into than the one shown. You can slow down a pro. There are safes out there with ball bearing anti drill plates, schrader anti drill plates, 2.5' of A36 steel in front of the lock in the door, and Group 1 locks on them. If your attracting a pro, more than likely can afford to deter the pro.
NWSafeCo 1 year ago
@NWSafeCo
We sell everything from entry level safes, to the top of the line safes, and all in between.
NWSafeCo 1 year ago
@cj45629
A safe store or safe professional usually has the proper equipment to move one.
NWSafeCo 1 year ago
i would like to own a large safe, 1. it is fire and theft proof. 2. it is large enough to store long guns and can also store a large number of handguns neatly. 3 can store in a very orderly manner documents such as birth certificate, military papers, college diploma4. can safely store other small valuables.
man that would be nice..
badgerattoadhall 1 year ago
@badgerattoadhall
There is no such thing as fire and theft proof with any manufacturer.
NWSafeCo 1 year ago
I would be hiding inside the safe and give them all a big scare when they opened it up, now thats a plan
BeansNButter 1 year ago
what kind of ul rating was it? they probaly test with the safe bolted upright, im going to try to put 6 bolts in the floor and at least 4 in the wall. i bet there is 143,760 people wanting to know what name brand safe this was
akshooter762 1 year ago
@akshooter762
Bolt safes through the floor, not the wall. Bolting through the wall inhibits fire protection, and makes a mess of the fire insulation inside. Most safes come pre-drilled with bolt down holes in the floor. UL RSC ratings on safes are a joke. Dont ever by a safe based on one. The UL rating on this safe doesn't matter, because it carries the same rating as a $2,300.00 safe.
NWSafeCo 1 year ago
See kids? This is why you bolt your safe to the floor.
QuagmiresGiggity 1 year ago
Great video! So what safe do you recommend?
TheBgcheez 1 year ago
@TheBgcheez This video was produced by Graffunder Safes. It's straight off their website. They are top of the line. A 30 cubic foot safe from them will run you around $6000-$7000, depending on the security classification.
ProfVonW 1 year ago
@ProfVonW - Thank you!!
TheBgcheez 1 year ago
@ProfVonW
This video was not produced by Graffunder, it was produced by Rogue safe Company in Oregon. They are just a safe store, they are not even a manufacturer.
NWSafeCo 1 year ago
@NWSafeCo
Thanks for setting me straight. I apologize for putting out bad info. I must have ASSumed it was from Graffunder since they feature the video prominantly on their website.
ProfVonW 1 year ago
@TheBgcheez
Its going to depend on what you want to lock up. You have to find the balance that justifies the amount being protected by the amount spent to do it. Some things are irreplaceable, and some things may just be sentimental.
NWSafeCo 1 year ago
No such thing as a safe safe, they are all hackable, like anything is really.
logicCplusplus 1 year ago
@logicCplusplus
When you buy a safe, your buying time. The more you spend, the more time you get. If you layer security, you can make it awfully hard for even someone who knows what they are doing to get in the safe.
NWSafeCo 1 year ago
I bought a Liberty Lincoln and this scared me.. I know they are made of folded sheet steel. But then I watched again 4:19 the guy with one arm lifts the door. I can't open the door like that on mine because it weighs several hundred pounds (with 4-sided bolts). But I noticed you can pay $4-5K for a Liberty NS (RSC) when you can pay the same or a little more for a TRUE safe like Graffunder/AMSEC. It seems price:security correlates up to mid-range RSC but an upper-end RSC isn't worth it at all.
eifersucht2 1 year ago
@eifersucht2
An upper end safe is worth every bit of security, and fire protection. Just about every manufacturer sells entry level crap like the safe shown. Then even the midrange, and on into the high end safes deter this type of attack entirely.
NWSafeCo 1 year ago
There's many companies who are in the "top end" of safe companies that reinforce the entire body by adding thicker steel all around. The fact that most "red-neck safe cracking methods" utilize tipping the safe over onto it's side is a big part of the method. Many people don't even consider placing their safe in the home by securing it to the floor and placing it hinge side against a wall. Simple placement of your safe is a big deal and many folks lack common sense when it comes to this.
PLMonline 1 year ago
When your safe is against a wall and as stated, has guns, ammo, etc in it, I don't see this working as easily. Also in many homes there isn't so much space around the safe to pry it open without running into furniture and such.
Personally, I have a keypad dead bolt on my bedroom door which also contains all of my work equipment, my safe (which also requires a combo to open and is a big SOB), all of my radio comms, and I have backup power ran to everything in the room. Have a safe room.
emt288 1 year ago
Where's the video of someone trying to break into a Liberty safe? And shouldn't these tests be done by an independent tester? Did they pick the cheapest built safe they could find for this "test"? This stuff is pure propaganda. There are so many questions it would take 3 days to answer them all. The fact they didn't even attempt to show how their safes worked under the same conditions says everything. It says BS. Nice sales pitch. Get what you pay for - the salesman's creed. Bah humbug!
cj45629 1 year ago
@cj45629
This is an independent tester. They picked an entry level safe made by a highly reputable safe manufacturer. The fact is, all the manufacturers entry level safes are pretty much the same construction wise, and fire protection wise. Thats all their is to it. I realize that everyone on here is an expert in their own minds. Really ask yourself, what would it take to make the skeptics believers? What do I need to do to show you that this isn't a pitch, and that its a sad reality.
NWSafeCo 1 year ago
I would like to see them be able to do what they did without knocking the safe on it's back first. Both men used all of there weight on the bars, not possible to do if the safe is still upright.
missoulaz28 1 year ago
@missoulaz28
Ok, well says it is bolted down. Then what about the fire rating. We usually dont see a safe rated under 60 minutes survive a total loss housefire. The inside of the safe is usually thrashed and ruined. So now you have another incentive to look for something of quality.
NWSafeCo 1 year ago
all in all buyer beware! but any safe is better than non at all< but this is a piont of view, which is valid!
sprchg50 1 year ago
1. Not bolted to a wall. Pushing it over gives you mechanical advantage with leverage - i.e. gravity means you can apply your entire body weight to the pry bar, which is not possible when the safe is upright.
2. Pushing it over made enough noise to wake the dead, let alone the home-owner in the next room.
This is not a realistic test. AT ALL.
trenthouse4life 1 year ago
@trenthouse4life Not entirely true. My dad had a small gun safe which contained just personal documents that were useless to the thieves. They managed to tear it out of the wall and pryed/smashed it open. Bolting to a wall helps, but given the time they can rip it out of a wall easily enough. Brick walls just aren't that strong. Concrete is another story.
shades2 1 year ago
@shades2 sorry to hear about that, hope his insurance covered it. i am going through all manner of palaver in my house at the moment trying to find a concrete wall strong enough to support my new safe.
Mind you, in the video, it isn't even bolted to a brick wall, much less a concrete one! and i hope your dad wasn't there when it was happening, was he?
trenthouse4life 1 year ago
@trenthouse4life Nah parents were out thankfully, damage was covered under insurance, but it taught me a good lesson that most interior brick walls are hopelessly weak, particularly with today's crummy bricks. Concrete is certainly a lot stronger and would make the job much harder for thieves. I suspect these were just a pack of kids and they still managed to bash/pry it out of a brick wall.
shades2 1 year ago
@shades2
Safes should be bolted to the floor. Bolting it to the wall can compromise the fire rating, make a mess of the fire insulation, and leave a weakpoint to attack and break the safe loose.
NWSafeCo 1 year ago
@trenthouse4life
If its not a real test, then why was it modeled after what actual thieves were doing to safes in the Medford, Or area a few years ago now?
NWSafeCo 1 year ago
@NWSafeCo my response to that would be: why were people in medford oregon not bolting their safes to walls?
(Apologies if "Or" doesn't mean Oregon, i assume it is a State abbreviation in use in the USA? I'm english, you see).
trenthouse4life 1 year ago
@trenthouse4life
People just dont bolt them down. For some reason people will buy a safe, move it into their own home. Then they think no one else will be able to move it out. We always recommend bolting down a safe.
NWSafeCo 1 year ago
@NWSafeCo as an outsider looking an a safe can be essentially theft is a residential environment.
badgerattoadhall 1 year ago
@badgerattoadhall
You lost me on that one.
NWSafeCo 1 year ago
@NWSafeCo Holy syntax malfunction! What I was saying a high end safe is probably for all intents and purpose “theft proof” for your run of the mill residential bugler
badgerattoadhall 1 year ago
@badgerattoadhall
Yes, I would say so.
NWSafeCo 1 year ago
@NWSafeCo lol! wtf??
satinwarship 1 year ago
I can't get past several issues that call into question even a big, pricey safe:
1. Can't a plasma torch cut through even the 7 ga. steel on Presidential model Liberty safe? 2. What about safe pro who takes his tools (the kind you depend on to open your safe if you can't get in) and goes "bad?" 3. Is safe installation company honest (even one dishonest guy there could leak your address to burglar friends for a "cut.")
teller121 1 year ago
@teller121
A 220v plasma can easily cut through a 7ga safe, its a little harder for a 110v unit. However, most thieves that pry open safes are oppurtunist and drug addicts. If they had a plasma cutter, then they would pawn it for money to buy crack. Some top of the line safes also have a concrete liner, and an inner steel side wall as well. This makes it a ton harder to cut through the wall.
NWSafeCo 1 year ago
@NWSafeCo Which voltage are portable plasma cutters? Does Liberty make safes with the concrete layer you mention; if not, who does? Thx.
teller121 1 year ago
@teller121 Most are 110v. Not to mention if you have a 220v plasma, you have to locate a 220v outlet in the home to use. One of the big names known for great security and fire protection with concrete insulation is Graffunder.
NWSafeCo 1 year ago
@NWSafeCo I just looked them up. There info isn't quite as user friendly as Liberty but they do advertise the concrete layer that I don't believe Liberty does. My concern is that Graffunder seems to mention the concrete layer more in the context of fire protection than resistance to cutting. I'm more concerned with the cutter than fire but you seem to think that concrete would be useful to resisting cutters. One Graffunder weighed 3700 lbs. Can average home foundation hold that much weight?
teller121 1 year ago
@teller121
Usually thats gotta be on a concrete slab at that weight.
NWSafeCo 1 year ago
answer. put it in a narrow corridor leaving no space to pry. if you can't get the leverage, you can't pry.
mylogon341 1 year ago
Just go's to show you that a lock just keeps an honest man honest!
pistoleer3 1 year ago
@pistoleer3
A real safe will keep an un-honest man honest too.
NWSafeCo 1 year ago
Show a video of a safe being pryed open while bolted to a concret slab
rob1105 1 year ago
@rob1105
I have a video of a lock being beat off a safe in 1:39 while the safe is standing up, and the door is simply opened at the end. Safes without relockers are useless also. I dont think everyone understands the point being made here. Cheap safes dont work regardless of how they are mounted. Real quality safes offer real protection.
NWSafeCo 1 year ago
Have to agree with a few of you.. Bolt it down near a wall like they suggest when you purchase one! then see someone get into it that easy!
armstrn 1 year ago
A good video and question, Does that mean a $2500 safe will take 4 and half minutes to pry open? I would like to see the test done to both a 1K and 2.5K safes bolted to the floor
lastchip 1 year ago
Everything can be opened... just depends on the time and tools used.
That $1000 safe took no time at all.
How long would $2500 safe take to open?
psychoklown66 1 year ago
@psychoklown66
A $2500 safe can take quite some time to open. I have personally pried on a 2009 model Liberty lincoln on its back for almost an hour with no luck at getting into it. If you buy a quality safe, then you get real protection.
NWSafeCo 1 year ago
we have seen a huge increase in home invasions, stolen safes, break-ins on safes, and attempted break-ins on safes.
Snopczynski 1 year ago
just bolt it into the floor next to a wall it's hard to pry open if its standing and the wall is in the way.
bellgareth 1 year ago 20
@bellgareth Not really. All you would need is leverage and leverage can be gained very easily with a pry bar. Also having the safe standing up removes the problem of the weighing so much. So I would say it makes it easier to get into if you bolt it to the floor next to a wall like you suggested.
dellhater 1 year ago
@dellhater Just to let yk I had a safe that the key was lost and combination was forgotten. It was bolted to the floor and against the garage wall. I used my prybar to get into it in just over 5 mins. The fact that the door was very heavy made it very easy. The sad thing is that after that I unbolted it from the concrete floor took it to the middle of my yard and started beating the shit outta' it for fun and with a crow bar; I was able to puncture the sides very easy and pry open a large hole.
dellhater 1 year ago
@bellgareth Dude - gun safes use 1/8" sheet metal. Real safes use 1" steel with a combination of concrete, copper, etc, and a design that makes smashing in the door impossible.
realbluntz 1 year ago