@SuperDaLINKwent, I heard those very same words hundreds of times and even if I agree that whatever works for you is good, I don't think that AA works for a lot of alcoholics
It's hard to be humble when you feel superior....AA suggets to any potential member to try some more controlled drinking, and that includes the so-called voice on this video. The funny thing about knowledge....the more you know and the less you do about it the more trouble you are in. How about you Oh wise one?
This video has many faulst. AA does not say it is the only way to achieve sobriety.Read the foreword to the 2nd editon of the AA Big Book. I quote " In all probability,. we shall never be able to touch more than a fair fraction of the alcohol problem in all its ramifications. Upon therapy for the alcoholic himself, we surely have NO MONOPOLOY(emphasis is mine.) Yet is is our great hope that all those who have as yet found no answer may begin to find one in the pages of this book."
I went to those classes and they said at the end every time it works if you work it and you die if you don't... news flash you can put down the bottle and never pick it up again but guess what... you'll still die. sooner or later you're dead too. have a great day
I will show my face, and even post a video response......indeed, a video (slideshow and a song) about just the false dichotomy of which you speak and the cults that have sprung up around it.
We're all entitled to our own opinions and you have expressed yours well BUT we are just a self-help group with no opinion on outside issues. If you or anyone else disaggress with anything A.A. has to share, thats up to them. After 28 years of membership and sobriety I voluntarily left AA. No one calls me or writes me and when I see AA members they don't belittle me or berate me. Everything in AA is suggested. Take whats best for you and leave the rest.
@GivathBrenner One of my complaints with AA is that they say at every meeting "We are convinced to a man that we were in the grips of a progressive illness." This indoctrinates newcomers into the false assumption that everyone in AA believes that it's an illness and that it's progressive.
In fact, it's neither. It's a behavior pattern, not an illness. When we break a bad habit, the the habit gradually becomes weaker and disappears. Repeating that we are (alcoholic) what we were is harmful.
@ndrthrdr1 - It's a valid complaint. Each group is autonomous and does as it feels right unless it affects other groups or AA as a whole. I do disagree with you that it indocrination of newcomers. I was told very early in my attendance of AA that I was to take what was best for me - and leave the rest! Everything AA has to share is "suggested", thats not a cliche or slogan either.
The behaviour pattern you speak of "maybe correct". I'm not a Professional in this area. Thanks!
Completely false. It is progressive, regardless if you are actively drinking or not. Ask any alcoholic who has maintained some time clean and then been active again. It is totally progressive.
@AlysshaLynn As we get older, our bodies take longer to recover from any kind of abuse. That's not a symptom of this so-called disease, since it's the same for anyone who drinks moderately and has no drinking problem. Occasional overindulgence (like New Years Eve) has more effect because we're older, not because of a progressive disease.
The people who thought it was an illness weren't professionals in the field of chemical dependence. The Doctor's Opinion? No, "A" GP in the 1930's.
AA stats are hard to come by, since the organization doesn't conduct studies on itself. A 2007 membership survey reported that 33% of members said they'd been consistently sober for more than 10 years, 12% were sober for five to 10 years, 24% were sober for one to five years, and 31% were sober for less than one year. However, the numbers don't reveal the total number of years the members have been in the program.
And there it is...a faceless...robotic voice...judging...whats the hate about...if you don't want it...do it yourself...I know for a fact this is a spiritual program...and it works if you work it...delusions...and to whizotheclown...you will find plenty of sex predators every where you walk in life...school, church, work place not to mention in your own homes at times...God forbid we do take responsibility for our choices...AA is just as any other thing in life...buyer beware. Just saying.
@randomperson110 Basically, I accepted that alcohol has a negative net effect on my life, and decided that however good or bad my day is, I don't want to make it worse by drinking.
... and I don't want to make it worse by hanging out with the depressed and religiously obsessed AA crowd.
I have been a sober member of AA for over 17 years. This woman is so far off the mark it is laughable. She apparently has a big time resentment against AA. Possibly she tried AA and was unsuccessful in staying sober and now makes these recordings as she sits alone each nite drunk..
@randomperson110 If you hang around AA long enough, and believe what the Big Book and the 12 & 12 say, you'll become convinced that the next drink is just around the corner, and that without AA and/or belief in a belief in a god you're screwed.
On the other hand, if you simply realize that millions have quit successfully without AA or any god, and that life gets better by making it better, you have a good chance of living a good life without endless boring meetings or magical thinking.
I got Clean and sober through AA and haven't had a drink or drug for over 24 yrs now. i also stop smoking 3 pks a day thru the 12 step to. I know many with 20yrs plus who have done same. it works for me and may others but its not the only way.what i found in AA 12 steps is i got clean sober and at peace inside with a lot more happiness then i even known . i went to AA tostop drinking it Saved my life . btw it got me off the Mental health drugs too. mind body and soul right choice 4 me
Lmao people just dont get it...i guess all the reason to mock and make fun of something...you people are idiots..the ones who have nothing nice to say are the ones who are either a drunk who isnt ready to better themselves or are living a shitty life therefore find it necessary to shit on AA
I'm sober long term. Why? Because I take responsibility for my own sobriety and I do what is necessary to maintain it. People want to blame programs for failure, when it's really people who fail themselves and don't want to take personal responsibility for their own actions. No program can keep you sober if you don't wanna be. People go to many various programs and don't stay sober because they don't want to. Success rates should be pinned on people, not programs.
The person behind this message either failed to recover using the steps as they were not ready to give up or does not have a problem with drink. Whatever people believe is there choice but to go to the trouble of creating a video to slam AA is a very self-centred act. I know the disease of addiction is real as I have it. I feel sorry for you spending valuable time of this precious life trying to slag a program you know nothing off.
@Matty666uk Free yourself from the shackles, brother. There is no "either or" garbage, this is a lie. Millions of "former" alcoholics and/or addicts lead very happy sober & clean lives no longer even thinking about "recovery"--and especially without thinking they are defective victims of some genetic disease, which the research keeps failing to bear out, BTW. Circular logic is not actually logic, hence the critique, and that's all 12 step programs are. Bad, faulty logic--at best.
@Matty666uk Free yourself from the shackles, brother. There is no "either or" garbage, this is a lie. Millions of "former" alcoholics and/or addicts lead very happy sober & clean lives no longer even thinking about "recovery"--and especially without thinking they are defective victims of some genetic disease, which the research keeps failing to bear out, BTW. Circular logic is not actually logic, hence the critique, and that's all 12 step programs are. Bad, faulty logic--at best.
@Matty666uk Free yourself from the shackles, brother. There is no "either or" garbage, this is a lie. Millions of "former" alcoholics and/or addicts lead very happy sober & clean lives no longer even thinking about "recovery"--and especially without thinking they are defective victims of some genetic disease, which the research keeps failing to bear out, BTW. Circular logic is not actually logic, hence the critique, and that's all 12 step programs are. You claimed this person failed--how so?
@Matty666uk Free yourself from the shackles, brother. There is no "either or" garbage, this is a lie. Millions of "former" alcoholics and/or addicts lead very happy sober & clean lives no longer even thinking about "recovery"--and especially without thinking they are defective victims of some genetic disease, which the research keeps failing to bear out, BTW. Circular logic is not actually logic, hence the critique, and that's all 12 step programs are. Bad, faulty logic--at best.
@Matty666uk You are so right. The problem with those who speak ill of AA are the same ones who expect a cure or serenity immediately and are not willing to work for it. If they don't see results right away, their response is always 'it did not work for me'. They are the ones in denial. Honesty, Openminded, Willingness is HOW it works. A little humility would help along the way.
What a pussy ass video. You can't even use your own voice?! Also, AA is just like scientology?? Got any actual proof or evidence of this bold and pig-headed claim? Didn't think so.
Alcoholism - a condition that does it's best to convince you that you don't suffer from it..
Thanks for reminding me 'justanotherface' that it's a mental condition I suffer from. One that I can now manage one day at a time by practicing a very simple program. One of the lucky '5%'... S.D. 28th June 2004.
so what is the alternative i would like to know, bashing something with out prviding an alternative is just wrong for you are distroying even the 5% rate
I am a fully-recovered alcoholic ~ transformed by the simple design for living outlined in simple steps of Alcoholics Anonymous. Living this Way life on a daily basis creates personal transformation ~ a psychic change. Self-awareness and emotional intelligence increase and grow exponentially. Thinking becomes clear and inspired. Navigating challenging life events is successfully done because the mind operates from a place of calm. Meditation is key. Love and Service, AA works if you work it.
@lcwest1 Well said! Except for 'fully-recovered'. I have learned that we are not capable of being fully recovered. We can control it. Afterall, recovery is for life. For this alcoholic, I will never see myself as being recovered for it shows that I think I know all the answers which we both know does not exist and by thinking that way, I will be setting myself up for a long fall down. Just something to think about. Congrats on your sobriety!
The creator is obviously a very confused individual. Only someone who is either sociopath or suffers from severe mental/emotional disorders would be so angry at a program that aims to help people that are alcoholic. Poor soul, I hope they get the help they need.
Unbelievable. AA is a very very simple concept. Unfortunatly too many people like the one who made this video can't help but to complecate the hell out of it to a point that its imposible to understand, then they get mad for not understanding. Its actually pretty funny. I've been sober for almost ten yrs now. I.m helathy, happy, successful and a productive member of society. That simple. I'm happy to be part of AA, its an extreemly simple program and yes, its not for most people.
the AA program does not tell you you are anything. you are not powerless, you are not suffering from a disease. AA, is a meeting of 2 or more people, who have admitted they are addicted to alcohol. They have tried , tested and true steps that have helped people get and stay sober for 75 years. can you show me any other method in existence that has an equally proven track record? It doesn't work for all, but i think an addictive drug may have something to do with it, don't you
Rubbish , who ever spoke these words simply has no concept at all. Read the book your self. Every claim made here is absolutley the oposite of what the aa text says.
12 step groups and religions dont use any force, they are voluntary. Governments are people who are using threats and violence to force people to pay for their services. Taxes are not voluntary. Its pay or else. Normal people provide their services in the free market without using violence. IF the services of government are so valuable then why cant they provide them like normal nonviolent people.
AA goers defend it like it's the beacon of truth. They dont question, they dont acknowledge alternative treatments, they don't think for themselves at all.
I understand that I'm making a bit of an exaggeration &I realize that AA is helpful for some, but this crap about being "powerless"&"in submission to a higher power" & "addict for life" is counter-productive &goes against the modern psychological trend.
"A.A. is not allied with any sect, denomination, politics, organization or institution" Flat out lie. Dr. Bob Smith founder of AA was a freemason therefore there is a definite affiliation with another cult.
What is it with those who want to rubbish something that works for millions of people across the globe? People who will tell you that their lives are richly improved with the help of the 12 Step Programme. People who have managed to turn themselves around to find a life that is uplifting, fulfilling, happy, productive & creative.
It's a simple program, offered free - provided by the people, for the people
@explorer2101 you neglect to mention that the people who "make it" are popular, encouraged and supported. how about the "to be warned about" people. I got a career, found out I am highly intelligent and NOT with the help of NA or AA. all they had to offer was that my "recovery"was bad. ?? I had 5 years clean and wtf? thats when I left- went to university and college and got a life! and made friends too...i credit them for helping me succeed. Yay friends...boo fake assholes! boo!
The thing with such groups is that they allow people to get together without a power or hierarchical structure, which to my mind is a very positive thing. Though, as with everything, it is only as good or as healthy as the component parts.
One's experiences in such groups is often based on those one is attracted to, which has a lot to do with our own energy at the time
Very pleased you have kept sober & have done well for yourself, despite the bad experiences you appear to have had
Wilson is a soccerball i would love to kick across his dang rooms of hell..fools of self pitty...I am helpless WAAAAAHHHHHH!..shut up 12 step fools wake up!!!!!
My experience seems quite different. It is my experience that those who really work a twelve-step programme every day are not helpless or victims of self-pity - quite the reverse. They are happy, responsible & generous with an abundant & grateful attitude
I regularly meet people who could benefit from such a program; people who are steeped in victimhood and self-pity but very unlikely to be prepared to seek out a solution that will uplift and empower them to be all they can be
A.A. is a religion that I do not believe in. There are many religions I do not agree with so i'm not going to say that they are any worse than the others. But these people are BY FAR the most annoying. Such a contradiction how they are made to believe they are worthless sick and permanently disabled, yet they still maintain such an arrogance about there ideas.
perthetic i tried everything its working and if i didnt get AA I WOULD HAVE DIED BY NOW AND IM ONLY 29 WHAT YOUR WRITING IF I RED THIS B4 IT COULD HAVE HAD ME BELEAVE AA DIDNT WORK AND ID BE DEAD YOU SHOULD STOP REALLY NO ONE WANTS TO HURT YOU THAT JUST MUST BE DISGUSTED WITH YOUR LACK OF THOUGHT FOR THE PEOPLE WHO NEED THIS
I'm not defective or incurably diseased. I don't suck. I just suck at moderating my drinking, so i finally succeeded and quit 2 yrs 4 months ago by getting OUT of AA and having faith in myself.
@ndrthrdr1 Now I'm at 2 years 7 1/2 months without drinking or substituting other drugs.
Life keeps getting better for me. I still haven't gone back to AA, but I do attend SMART Recovery meetings once or twice a week, and I use their online chat to encourage newcomers. SMART is science-based, rather than faith-based. No higher power necessary (but fine for those who want one), no sponsors (but help from others in the groups if you want it), no steps, and no "powerlessness". Free at last!
Go to the Alcoholics Anonymous website, look at the quiz. If you answer yes on a few questions, you are an alcoholic. By their definition, I definitely am.
In reality, nobody is an alcoholic. It's a term they made up. I used alcohol as a coping mechanism to avoid thinking about and dealing with problems.
If my problem was headaches, and if instead of solving the problem by seeking effective treatment, I took aspirin, Me=aspirinoholic? No.
@justanotherface123 What you are saying is absolutely true about AA. And if you are an Atheist such as myself the cult bastards will do everything they can to berate you. Fuck Bill Wilson, Fuck AA and a special fuck you to the "higher power"!
If not for outpatient treatment, continuing individual and group therapy, as well as medication (which several AAer's told me not to use, even though they aren't PhD's, and despite the "Big Books" suggestion to seek outside help) I wouldn't have stayed sober almost 6 years. I too have seen AA ruin many lives, especially women and mentally ill people. This video is preciously accurate to my knowledge. AA "suggests" a self defeatism or go attitude. The probability of more harm than good is high.
If not for outpatient treatment, continuing individual and group therapy, as well as medication (which several AAer's told me not to use, even though they aren't PhD's, and despite the "Big Books" suggestion to seek outside help) I wouldn't have stayed sober almost 6 years. I too have seen AA ruin many lives, especially women and mentally ill people. This video is preciously accurate to my knowledge. AA "suggests" a self defeatism or go attitude. The probability of more harm than good is high.
Whatever AA is...it works for me :) So alcoholism isn't a disease?? My treatment was wrong??Right..okay..all I know is u are shunning something that has worked for me..and by doing so..what have u produced??Another thing on my list of crap.
@alofa02 Geez, you are going to put this on your fourth step list, i am assuming. Why waste the ink and paper. You have much better and worthy things to place on your list. The web is full of trash. Don't let this distract you. You know me and I love you very much. Your sobriety comes first. You come first. My love for you is based in that sobriety. You are like the sister I never had. Carry on with your 4th step. Your life matters.
Whatever AA is...it works for me :) So alcoholism isn't a disease?? My treatment was wrong??Right..okay..all I know is u are shunning something that has worked for me..and by doing so..what have u produced??Another thing on my list of crap.
Any method a person who needs to get sober finds that they are happy with is a good way. I took a 5yr. vacation from meetings and stayed sober just fine. I am not shy about saying it in meetings either. I returned because I liked it there and felt a sense of belonging there. People who drank all share common traits that aren't always good ones. You take what you like there and leave the rest. If you don't like any of it that's your choice too.
You are so wrong with these unfounded and purely inventive assertions. If you'd do the AA program as it is intended as, you'd recover from a deadly disease called alcoholism. If you're not in need of any recovery, then do familiarize yourself with the content and intentions of AA before trying to intimidate people who're seeking for release from alcoholism. I'm a AA member and not allied to any sect or denomination. The primary purpose is to stay sober and to help other alcoholics to the same.
AA works for many, I praise that group because it makes the world of difference to the ones that it truly helps because they are nice friendly objective non-judgmental and invite you for coffee after a meeting, gets a list of names and numbers for me and gives suggestions on who to call. They love me as a sponsee because I called for that inventory, which was long and as I went through the shame and I told it all, we connected better than the typical sponsee's that call who call him nighly...
"everyone at those meetings is sober" Seriously reco. How do you know that? What about the 95% of new or returning alcoholics who walk into the rooms and are never seen or heard from again after a miserly 1 year. Look, dont believe me, refer to the literature of your own cult heirarchy. AA s own triennial studies drew these conclusions not some randon 12 step hater. Oh well, to blindly follow in spite of proof of its failure is cultish indoctrination. Good luck to you. +J+
I believe that it is truly sad that u cannot find help from these philosophies, and design for living, their are certain promises that are mentioned in the book and all of them do come true if u are though and honest. If u have tried to get sober please don't be afraid to come back, no matter what u do or say u may always reach a hand out for help, and the hand of AA will be there. I might not agree with what u believe in but I have been given morals and also a responsibility to be of service,
you guys are fucked in the head, aa dosent force any moral choices on you or turn u into some cult member, theyre people who have suffered in life and reach out to others in the same shoes. they have bigger hearts than any of you combined, i was a pathetic hopeless wretch without friends, until i went to meetings, where i was greeted with love and compassion, and i have no faith in a higher power and thats fine with them. and the 5% succes is bullshit. everyone at those meetings is sober.
@recoshepard You live in a dream world. You will know them for the slimeballs and cheesy rats that they really are one day. One AA giant asked me one time how much a gram of Cocaine cost. I found out later he tempted a young woman in AA with that amount of money in order to have sex with her. That is just one example of the insanity in that group. Dig a little deeper with those people and get into them personally and you will see many disgusting things. Best wishes....
Huh. Maybe all those meetings affected your comprehension levels since you have erronously credited me with a video i had no hand in. Oh well. by the way, an alternative the Harvard School of Medicine promotes is the "just do it yourself' treatment modality. Apparently it works for 80%of all alcoholics. Novel idea im sure. You may find that difficult to comprehend as you have already displayed a deficiency in that respect.
How many different ways can a person say it doesnt work before you understand it. Must i paint you a picture. I am truely sorry to have afforded you a degree of intelligence where there was none. Oh well, Good luck to you. I just hope for your sake they dont start dipensing poisoned electrric kool aid at meetings. I fear you would be first in line. Still no citation for your 2 million sober alcoholics fairytale? No, didnt think so.
@opiatedmonkey I'm a recovered Alcoholic, and went through AA. It got me sober long enough so I could break the alcohol habit. Yes, they preached a higher power for you to believe in, but never forced God on anyone that I saw.
I am no longer in or around AA, though I went to a few meetings a few years ago, just to see how the group was run in Little Rock. The room was full of sober people. What's your alternative? Should all those people just disband? Your video is ludicrous.
Hilarious clip! Btw, In AA we don't pull people off barstools. You wanna drink? BFD, that's your business. The good news for millions of blameless children, worried spouses & broken homes is AA works if you actually do it, on a simple daily basis. Don't want to stay sober? Great, go back out and keep digging.
@spacestate "Money making?" I remember giving 2 dollars, when I had it, to help pay the rent and for the coffee we were drinking. There was never anything more than, "If you can afford to give a dollar or two..."
AA does not have enough structure or true leadership to be a cult. It's success rate is almost non existent though. To any with a 'drinking problem', you can quit, believe in yourself and it is possible to quit. Find something besides your past you want to put behind you, and quitting drinking is easily possible.
Wow! I don't even know what to say to this. If someone in AA has hurt you in some way I seriously wouldn't label an organization that they were part of, it's the person. I cannot see how you could come to conclusions like this if you have ever attended AA for any length of time, even one meeting. Unless you were had some emotional baggage that made it seem like people at these meetings were "cultish" to you. In any case I assure you that your claims are wildly mistaken.
I read most of the comments on here. It's sad that people actually argue over things like this. AA is not a cult, it isn't. You go to AA because your life is absolute crap, not because life is going well. Sometimes you just listen to people no matter what they say because anything is better than the place you were at. I was a hardcore atheist who was majoring in Science, but AA helped me gain the faith back that I thought I threw away long ago. God is the key to staying clean and living clean.
Who cares? There is no they, it's just a group of individuals. If you don't like the way one person does something, do it another way, whatever works for you. I would like to spend less time worrying about what other people are doing and more time focusing on what works for me and my family. I have 16 months sober, and do go to meetings, but I definitely agree there are many ways to get sober.
AA is a cult in every way. Even the Logo for AA is an ancient Satanic Symbol representing the various "elements" needed for spells and black magic. The Triangle inside the circle is also the base design of other Satanic Symbols as well.
One thing I have learned over the years is that Symbolism is very real and very effective in summoning demonic spirits into the world or into a person or to welcome the demonic spirits into an organization, corporation or even an object.
This lady must never had watched the she COPs that show was created by us Alcoholics lol this lady is Powerless i bet she dont have the power to remove AA out of her head
the ama 1967 made it a diesase to bleed ins companies!!! no where in the first 164 pages does it say disease thats something you made up!!! if it is not in first 164 pages its not aa its something you overheard by some other on informed person!!! look at 164 pages of texxt it states malady or allergy!!! you really dont no what your talking about
@hartattackdon Err, it may not say disease but it does say....,Continue to speak of alcoholism as an illness, a fatal malady. Talk about the conditions of body and mind which accompany it. Keep his attention focussed mainly on your personal experience. Explain that many are doomed who never realize their predicament.
The Big Book, 3rd & 4th Editions, William G. Wilson, page 92.
this is the dumbest shit ive ever seen hopefully you can get clean and sober cause u obviously are using and have not work on yourself at all when you realize your way doesnt work we will welcome you with open arms...i will pray for you..you fool!
@MrRyanesmyth I go to SOS,have been C&S for more that two yrs, my way works way better than your CULT, and I'm really happy too...so every one who criticises 12stepism is obviously still using eh? EVERYTHING THAT COMES OUT OF A STEPPERS MOUTH IS WHAT COMES OUT OF A HORSES ASS.
OH my God, this is a very sick person who posted this video. Please, people, stop arguing with these crazy anti AA/Recovery nuts. I'm convinced that they are all in denial, in relapse and on some crazy power trip. Condeming AA is like condeming antibiotics. AA does not have to prove anything. We are sober and living out our lives.
@mlcoo17 not a surprising comment from someone who was at a low point in their life and found or was forced into AA as a solution. Its not very hard to create a new image of someone's "self" when they are broken, the military does it via boot camp, cults do it, its called programming and has been used for centuries now. Something you may find surprising is that destroying someone's sense of self and programming a new one is considered a form of torture.
@jarrodm2002 Yes I was at a low point, you could say, since I was near death. So now new my new "image" is that I own a successful contracting business and I live in my own 4000 square foot brick home, and it's paid for. I have not drank or done any drugs in 26 years. AA never forced me to do anything, I asked AA to help me. I dont know where you guys get you info, but AA has only helped people to get sober, you make it sound like were fucking children up the ass in the back room or something.
aa works! ive got 12 years sober
vicki3664 1 day ago
stand up to this cult they are just a cult
josephsmith49 1 week ago
AA is a cult that should be picketted by the legion 99 percent
josephsmith49 1 week ago
aa may not work for me,however,it works for alot of other alcoholics..whatever works for you
SuperDaLINKwent 3 weeks ago
@SuperDaLINKwent I agree.
IamForever42 2 weeks ago
@SuperDaLINKwent, I heard those very same words hundreds of times and even if I agree that whatever works for you is good, I don't think that AA works for a lot of alcoholics
k0rgvll 2 weeks ago
c-mon drink the fuckin kool-aide already.ill put the black nikes and purple robe on u after u drink the kool-aide DRINK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
spazmoso 3 weeks ago
PS: Why would anyone join AA to have you go back to drinking?? You're lost baby!
Plainsfyre 1 month ago
AA has never mentioned a word about controlled drinking. This is fake!
Plainsfyre 1 month ago
It's hard to be humble when you feel superior....AA suggets to any potential member to try some more controlled drinking, and that includes the so-called voice on this video. The funny thing about knowledge....the more you know and the less you do about it the more trouble you are in. How about you Oh wise one?
gbold81 1 month ago
This video has many faulst. AA does not say it is the only way to achieve sobriety.Read the foreword to the 2nd editon of the AA Big Book. I quote " In all probability,. we shall never be able to touch more than a fair fraction of the alcohol problem in all its ramifications. Upon therapy for the alcoholic himself, we surely have NO MONOPOLOY(emphasis is mine.) Yet is is our great hope that all those who have as yet found no answer may begin to find one in the pages of this book."
ANZUS777 1 month ago
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ANZUS777 1 month ago
I went to those classes and they said at the end every time it works if you work it and you die if you don't... news flash you can put down the bottle and never pick it up again but guess what... you'll still die. sooner or later you're dead too. have a great day
rosdinWByemeR 1 month ago
That percentage is completely false!
AlysshaLynn 1 month ago
YAYY FOR AA! SAY WHAT YOU WILL BUT IT SAVED MY LIFE AND ONLY CONTINUES TO HELP ME GROW :)
vasiakukla 1 month ago
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!! that is hysterically funny!!!!!!
feelgoodbingo 1 month ago
I will show my face, and even post a video response......indeed, a video (slideshow and a song) about just the false dichotomy of which you speak and the cults that have sprung up around it.
AdamRainStopper 1 month ago
We're all entitled to our own opinions and you have expressed yours well BUT we are just a self-help group with no opinion on outside issues. If you or anyone else disaggress with anything A.A. has to share, thats up to them. After 28 years of membership and sobriety I voluntarily left AA. No one calls me or writes me and when I see AA members they don't belittle me or berate me. Everything in AA is suggested. Take whats best for you and leave the rest.
GivathBrenner 1 month ago
@GivathBrenner One of my complaints with AA is that they say at every meeting "We are convinced to a man that we were in the grips of a progressive illness." This indoctrinates newcomers into the false assumption that everyone in AA believes that it's an illness and that it's progressive.
In fact, it's neither. It's a behavior pattern, not an illness. When we break a bad habit, the the habit gradually becomes weaker and disappears. Repeating that we are (alcoholic) what we were is harmful.
ndrthrdr1 1 month ago
@ndrthrdr1 - It's a valid complaint. Each group is autonomous and does as it feels right unless it affects other groups or AA as a whole. I do disagree with you that it indocrination of newcomers. I was told very early in my attendance of AA that I was to take what was best for me - and leave the rest! Everything AA has to share is "suggested", thats not a cliche or slogan either.
The behaviour pattern you speak of "maybe correct". I'm not a Professional in this area. Thanks!
GivathBrenner 1 month ago
Completely false. It is progressive, regardless if you are actively drinking or not. Ask any alcoholic who has maintained some time clean and then been active again. It is totally progressive.
AlysshaLynn 1 month ago
@AlysshaLynn As we get older, our bodies take longer to recover from any kind of abuse. That's not a symptom of this so-called disease, since it's the same for anyone who drinks moderately and has no drinking problem. Occasional overindulgence (like New Years Eve) has more effect because we're older, not because of a progressive disease.
The people who thought it was an illness weren't professionals in the field of chemical dependence. The Doctor's Opinion? No, "A" GP in the 1930's.
ndrthrdr1 1 month ago
AA stats are hard to come by, since the organization doesn't conduct studies on itself. A 2007 membership survey reported that 33% of members said they'd been consistently sober for more than 10 years, 12% were sober for five to 10 years, 24% were sober for one to five years, and 31% were sober for less than one year. However, the numbers don't reveal the total number of years the members have been in the program.
hfreedomm2000 1 month ago
And there it is...a faceless...robotic voice...judging...whats the hate about...if you don't want it...do it yourself...I know for a fact this is a spiritual program...and it works if you work it...delusions...and to whizotheclown...you will find plenty of sex predators every where you walk in life...school, church, work place not to mention in your own homes at times...God forbid we do take responsibility for our choices...AA is just as any other thing in life...buyer beware. Just saying.
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randomperson110 1 month ago
not true i know this group works.
macho7100 2 months ago
What a fascinating indulgence in paranoia. I am a secular humanist atheist and I do AA just fine, thank you, have for twenty years now.
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The mythical Bible god, Yahweh, would be a real monster - if he actually existed.
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randomperson110 2 months ago
@randomperson110 In case you haven't seen it, you should check out the YouTube video
Secular and Sober: Beating Alcoholism Without AA
by TheThinkingAtheist
ndrthrdr1 2 months ago
@ndrthrdr1 yeah just trying to keep up with deleting comments .
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@randomperson110 Basically, I accepted that alcohol has a negative net effect on my life, and decided that however good or bad my day is, I don't want to make it worse by drinking.
... and I don't want to make it worse by hanging out with the depressed and religiously obsessed AA crowd.
ndrthrdr1 2 months ago
I have been a sober member of AA for over 17 years. This woman is so far off the mark it is laughable. She apparently has a big time resentment against AA. Possibly she tried AA and was unsuccessful in staying sober and now makes these recordings as she sits alone each nite drunk..
civilwarhero1865 3 months ago
@civilwarhero1865 Typical cult thinking. Far more successfully quit without the steps than with them.
No rooms full of depressed people insisting that they are "happy, joyous, and free."
No imaginary friends with whom the deluded claim to communicate telepathically (prayer).
No switch from dependence on alcohol to dependence on meetings.
No belief in the faith healing nonsense of AA.
No pretending that we're getting something out of Jim telling the same story for the 100th time.
No cult BS.
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randomperson110 2 months ago
@randomperson110 If you hang around AA long enough, and believe what the Big Book and the 12 & 12 say, you'll become convinced that the next drink is just around the corner, and that without AA and/or belief in a belief in a god you're screwed.
On the other hand, if you simply realize that millions have quit successfully without AA or any god, and that life gets better by making it better, you have a good chance of living a good life without endless boring meetings or magical thinking.
ndrthrdr1 2 months ago
I got Clean and sober through AA and haven't had a drink or drug for over 24 yrs now. i also stop smoking 3 pks a day thru the 12 step to. I know many with 20yrs plus who have done same. it works for me and may others but its not the only way.what i found in AA 12 steps is i got clean sober and at peace inside with a lot more happiness then i even known . i went to AA tostop drinking it Saved my life . btw it got me off the Mental health drugs too. mind body and soul right choice 4 me
si12volt1 3 months ago
@somethingdiffereable Your right there are other ways...like rehabs or psychiatrists that cost money
tgeorge137 3 months ago
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@tgeorge137 said "Your right there are other ways...like rehabs or psychiatrists that cost money"
SMARTRecovery is free, is science-based rather than faith-based, has a much higher success rate, and has a much lower suicide rate.
I've heard that SOS is good, too, but SMART worked for me (three years now) where AA didn't.
ndrthrdr1 3 months ago
Lmao people just dont get it...i guess all the reason to mock and make fun of something...you people are idiots..the ones who have nothing nice to say are the ones who are either a drunk who isnt ready to better themselves or are living a shitty life therefore find it necessary to shit on AA
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What about other 12 step programs? Like Sex Addicts Anonymous? I've been attending a sex addicts meeting for a few weeks now.
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She trys to sound profe but its easy to hear her stupidity .
MrJacob50 4 months ago
She trys to sound profe but its easy to hear her stupidity .
MrJacob50 4 months ago
I'm sober long term. Why? Because I take responsibility for my own sobriety and I do what is necessary to maintain it. People want to blame programs for failure, when it's really people who fail themselves and don't want to take personal responsibility for their own actions. No program can keep you sober if you don't wanna be. People go to many various programs and don't stay sober because they don't want to. Success rates should be pinned on people, not programs.
tommym202 5 months ago
RATIONAL RECOVERY. TAKE RESPONSIBILITY & TAME THE BEAST
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MarquisofHumber 5 months ago
AA is a nasty little cult that is deceptive by nature. Don't fall for it!!!!!! There are plenty of other ways to quit or cut down!
somethingdiffereable 5 months ago
I just passed 1,000 days without a drink and without the ridiculous cult called AA.
If you want to improve your odds of quitting drinking and staying quit, stay away from the AA cult.
ndrthrdr1 5 months ago
The person behind this message either failed to recover using the steps as they were not ready to give up or does not have a problem with drink. Whatever people believe is there choice but to go to the trouble of creating a video to slam AA is a very self-centred act. I know the disease of addiction is real as I have it. I feel sorry for you spending valuable time of this precious life trying to slag a program you know nothing off.
Matty666uk 5 months ago
@Matty666uk Free yourself from the shackles, brother. There is no "either or" garbage, this is a lie. Millions of "former" alcoholics and/or addicts lead very happy sober & clean lives no longer even thinking about "recovery"--and especially without thinking they are defective victims of some genetic disease, which the research keeps failing to bear out, BTW. Circular logic is not actually logic, hence the critique, and that's all 12 step programs are. Bad, faulty logic--at best.
LexeconKiddo 5 months ago
@Matty666uk Free yourself from the shackles, brother. There is no "either or" garbage, this is a lie. Millions of "former" alcoholics and/or addicts lead very happy sober & clean lives no longer even thinking about "recovery"--and especially without thinking they are defective victims of some genetic disease, which the research keeps failing to bear out, BTW. Circular logic is not actually logic, hence the critique, and that's all 12 step programs are. Bad, faulty logic--at best.
LexeconKiddo 5 months ago
@Matty666uk Free yourself from the shackles, brother. There is no "either or" garbage, this is a lie. Millions of "former" alcoholics and/or addicts lead very happy sober & clean lives no longer even thinking about "recovery"--and especially without thinking they are defective victims of some genetic disease, which the research keeps failing to bear out, BTW. Circular logic is not actually logic, hence the critique, and that's all 12 step programs are. You claimed this person failed--how so?
LexeconKiddo 5 months ago
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@Matty666uk Free yourself from the shackles, brother. There is no "either or" garbage, this is a lie. Millions of "former" alcoholics and/or addicts lead very happy sober & clean lives no longer even thinking about "recovery"--and especially without thinking they are defective victims of some genetic disease, which the research keeps failing to bear out, BTW. Circular logic is not actually logic, hence the critique, and that's all 12 step programs are. Bad, faulty logic--at best.
LexeconKiddo 5 months ago
@Matty666uk maybe eveyone doesnt see things he way you do
robertmck12 5 months ago
@Matty666uk You are so right. The problem with those who speak ill of AA are the same ones who expect a cure or serenity immediately and are not willing to work for it. If they don't see results right away, their response is always 'it did not work for me'. They are the ones in denial. Honesty, Openminded, Willingness is HOW it works. A little humility would help along the way.
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randomperson110 6 months ago
What a pussy ass video. You can't even use your own voice?! Also, AA is just like scientology?? Got any actual proof or evidence of this bold and pig-headed claim? Didn't think so.
jubal66 6 months ago
@jubal66 Truth hurts, huh?
ZuccottiPark 4 months ago
i thought i was one of the uncurables the big book spoke of.....I'M JUST NORMAL! lol AA doesnt work, i met some of my best drinking buddies there!
1984JFR 6 months ago
Analysis paralysis personified..!!
Alcoholism - a condition that does it's best to convince you that you don't suffer from it..
Thanks for reminding me 'justanotherface' that it's a mental condition I suffer from. One that I can now manage one day at a time by practicing a very simple program. One of the lucky '5%'... S.D. 28th June 2004.
ahpollyolly 6 months ago
so what is the alternative i would like to know, bashing something with out prviding an alternative is just wrong for you are distroying even the 5% rate
mehdiesfahania 6 months ago
The demon is not outside of you, it is within you. Wake Up!
Bluearc101 6 months ago
I am a fully-recovered alcoholic ~ transformed by the simple design for living outlined in simple steps of Alcoholics Anonymous. Living this Way life on a daily basis creates personal transformation ~ a psychic change. Self-awareness and emotional intelligence increase and grow exponentially. Thinking becomes clear and inspired. Navigating challenging life events is successfully done because the mind operates from a place of calm. Meditation is key. Love and Service, AA works if you work it.
lcwest1 6 months ago
@lcwest1 Well said! Except for 'fully-recovered'. I have learned that we are not capable of being fully recovered. We can control it. Afterall, recovery is for life. For this alcoholic, I will never see myself as being recovered for it shows that I think I know all the answers which we both know does not exist and by thinking that way, I will be setting myself up for a long fall down. Just something to think about. Congrats on your sobriety!
concheharborboy 5 months ago
The creator is obviously a very confused individual. Only someone who is either sociopath or suffers from severe mental/emotional disorders would be so angry at a program that aims to help people that are alcoholic. Poor soul, I hope they get the help they need.
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randomperson110 6 months ago
Every single one of these videos were made by people that need AA! Ha ha ha
gabbylovesmuse 6 months ago
Unbelievable. AA is a very very simple concept. Unfortunatly too many people like the one who made this video can't help but to complecate the hell out of it to a point that its imposible to understand, then they get mad for not understanding. Its actually pretty funny. I've been sober for almost ten yrs now. I.m helathy, happy, successful and a productive member of society. That simple. I'm happy to be part of AA, its an extreemly simple program and yes, its not for most people.
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randomperson110 6 months ago
the AA program does not tell you you are anything. you are not powerless, you are not suffering from a disease. AA, is a meeting of 2 or more people, who have admitted they are addicted to alcohol. They have tried , tested and true steps that have helped people get and stay sober for 75 years. can you show me any other method in existence that has an equally proven track record? It doesn't work for all, but i think an addictive drug may have something to do with it, don't you
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randomperson110 7 months ago
I will 13 step all of u
chrissybear123 7 months ago
@chrissybear123 What a f.....g stupid comment, got to be an american!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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randomperson110 7 months ago
My favorite expression in AA is a sober alchoholic!
karmalevel 7 months ago
Rubbish , who ever spoke these words simply has no concept at all. Read the book your self. Every claim made here is absolutley the oposite of what the aa text says.
brace58 7 months ago
12 step groups and religions dont use any force, they are voluntary. Governments are people who are using threats and violence to force people to pay for their services. Taxes are not voluntary. Its pay or else. Normal people provide their services in the free market without using violence. IF the services of government are so valuable then why cant they provide them like normal nonviolent people.
mustaffa1611 7 months ago
AA goers defend it like it's the beacon of truth. They dont question, they dont acknowledge alternative treatments, they don't think for themselves at all.
I understand that I'm making a bit of an exaggeration &I realize that AA is helpful for some, but this crap about being "powerless"&"in submission to a higher power" & "addict for life" is counter-productive &goes against the modern psychological trend.
Maiitreya 8 months ago
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"A.A. is not allied with any sect, denomination, politics, organization or institution" Flat out lie. Dr. Bob Smith founder of AA was a freemason therefore there is a definite affiliation with another cult.
The symbol in this video verifies that FACT
beautifulmind546 9 months ago
ummmmmmmm... AA is a type of battery. Also, do you really believe this crap?
kuledrumergie87 9 months ago
Why do you 12 steppers Look Up AND even Watch these videos!!!?!?? I can't comprehend why you people do that...if your program works.
Cocuzza203 9 months ago
What is it with those who want to rubbish something that works for millions of people across the globe? People who will tell you that their lives are richly improved with the help of the 12 Step Programme. People who have managed to turn themselves around to find a life that is uplifting, fulfilling, happy, productive & creative.
It's a simple program, offered free - provided by the people, for the people
Take it if it works for you
Get on with your life elsewhere if it doesn't
Simples :-)
explorer2101 10 months ago
@explorer2101 you neglect to mention that the people who "make it" are popular, encouraged and supported. how about the "to be warned about" people. I got a career, found out I am highly intelligent and NOT with the help of NA or AA. all they had to offer was that my "recovery"was bad. ?? I had 5 years clean and wtf? thats when I left- went to university and college and got a life! and made friends too...i credit them for helping me succeed. Yay friends...boo fake assholes! boo!
cubbycab 9 months ago
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The thing with such groups is that they allow people to get together without a power or hierarchical structure, which to my mind is a very positive thing. Though, as with everything, it is only as good or as healthy as the component parts.
One's experiences in such groups is often based on those one is attracted to, which has a lot to do with our own energy at the time
Very pleased you have kept sober & have done well for yourself, despite the bad experiences you appear to have had
explorer2101 9 months ago
Yep -- your right it is a cult based on false premise and mind control
troutfish70 10 months ago
Wilson is a soccerball i would love to kick across his dang rooms of hell..fools of self pitty...I am helpless WAAAAAHHHHHH!..shut up 12 step fools wake up!!!!!
magicxification 10 months ago
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My experience seems quite different. It is my experience that those who really work a twelve-step programme every day are not helpless or victims of self-pity - quite the reverse. They are happy, responsible & generous with an abundant & grateful attitude
I regularly meet people who could benefit from such a program; people who are steeped in victimhood and self-pity but very unlikely to be prepared to seek out a solution that will uplift and empower them to be all they can be
explorer2101 9 months ago
A.A. is a religion that I do not believe in. There are many religions I do not agree with so i'm not going to say that they are any worse than the others. But these people are BY FAR the most annoying. Such a contradiction how they are made to believe they are worthless sick and permanently disabled, yet they still maintain such an arrogance about there ideas.
michaelNYC1024 11 months ago
perthetic i tried everything its working and if i didnt get AA I WOULD HAVE DIED BY NOW AND IM ONLY 29 WHAT YOUR WRITING IF I RED THIS B4 IT COULD HAVE HAD ME BELEAVE AA DIDNT WORK AND ID BE DEAD YOU SHOULD STOP REALLY NO ONE WANTS TO HURT YOU THAT JUST MUST BE DISGUSTED WITH YOUR LACK OF THOUGHT FOR THE PEOPLE WHO NEED THIS
dooner843862 11 months ago
I'm not defective or incurably diseased. I don't suck. I just suck at moderating my drinking, so i finally succeeded and quit 2 yrs 4 months ago by getting OUT of AA and having faith in myself.
ndrthrdr1 11 months ago 9
@ndrthrdr1 goodby.loser.
sbmf56 7 months ago
@ndrthrdr1 Now I'm at 2 years 7 1/2 months without drinking or substituting other drugs.
Life keeps getting better for me. I still haven't gone back to AA, but I do attend SMART Recovery meetings once or twice a week, and I use their online chat to encourage newcomers. SMART is science-based, rather than faith-based. No higher power necessary (but fine for those who want one), no sponsors (but help from others in the groups if you want it), no steps, and no "powerlessness". Free at last!
ndrthrdr1 7 months ago 2
@ndrthrdr1 You are NOT an alcoholic.
tovinw 5 months ago
@tovinw said " You are NOT an alcoholic."
Go to the Alcoholics Anonymous website, look at the quiz. If you answer yes on a few questions, you are an alcoholic. By their definition, I definitely am.
In reality, nobody is an alcoholic. It's a term they made up. I used alcohol as a coping mechanism to avoid thinking about and dealing with problems.
If my problem was headaches, and if instead of solving the problem by seeking effective treatment, I took aspirin, Me=aspirinoholic? No.
ndrthrdr1 5 months ago
@justanotherface123 What you are saying is absolutely true about AA. And if you are an Atheist such as myself the cult bastards will do everything they can to berate you. Fuck Bill Wilson, Fuck AA and a special fuck you to the "higher power"!
somethingdiffereable 11 months ago
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If not for outpatient treatment, continuing individual and group therapy, as well as medication (which several AAer's told me not to use, even though they aren't PhD's, and despite the "Big Books" suggestion to seek outside help) I wouldn't have stayed sober almost 6 years. I too have seen AA ruin many lives, especially women and mentally ill people. This video is preciously accurate to my knowledge. AA "suggests" a self defeatism or go attitude. The probability of more harm than good is high.
MrSexyexercise 11 months ago
If not for outpatient treatment, continuing individual and group therapy, as well as medication (which several AAer's told me not to use, even though they aren't PhD's, and despite the "Big Books" suggestion to seek outside help) I wouldn't have stayed sober almost 6 years. I too have seen AA ruin many lives, especially women and mentally ill people. This video is preciously accurate to my knowledge. AA "suggests" a self defeatism or go attitude. The probability of more harm than good is high.
MrSexyexercise 11 months ago
Whatever AA is...it works for me :) So alcoholism isn't a disease?? My treatment was wrong??Right..okay..all I know is u are shunning something that has worked for me..and by doing so..what have u produced??Another thing on my list of crap.
alofa02 11 months ago
@alofa02 Geez, you are going to put this on your fourth step list, i am assuming. Why waste the ink and paper. You have much better and worthy things to place on your list. The web is full of trash. Don't let this distract you. You know me and I love you very much. Your sobriety comes first. You come first. My love for you is based in that sobriety. You are like the sister I never had. Carry on with your 4th step. Your life matters.
probate2000 11 months ago
Whatever AA is...it works for me :) So alcoholism isn't a disease?? My treatment was wrong??Right..okay..all I know is u are shunning something that has worked for me..and by doing so..what have u produced??Another thing on my list of crap.
alofa02 11 months ago
so sad you feel this way
monkeyshell1 11 months ago
This is such nonsense. Aa is amazing. Saved my life
mrlmonroe 11 months ago
I owe them my life.
noone obliges you to go there, at least not in Europe.
It for those who want it.
The others are free to choose their own path, why not?
Whichever works.
nevernohijab 11 months ago
Any method a person who needs to get sober finds that they are happy with is a good way. I took a 5yr. vacation from meetings and stayed sober just fine. I am not shy about saying it in meetings either. I returned because I liked it there and felt a sense of belonging there. People who drank all share common traits that aren't always good ones. You take what you like there and leave the rest. If you don't like any of it that's your choice too.
big500guy 1 year ago
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Thats the AA I know. Very open and accepting.
DanceRuidoso 1 year ago
banned
freedummy1 1 year ago
Texas Governor Ann Richards had AA spies in WACO. They all escaped right before over 100 were burned to death.
freedummy1 1 year ago
Texas Governor Ann Richards had AA spies in WACO. They all escaped right before over 100 were burned to death.
freedummy1 1 year ago
It's always nice to hear a different point of view. This makes me feel quite sane.
robbandhood 1 year ago
Absolutely none of this is true. Every statement 'she' makes is factully incorrect, but that's just my experience
kevintheshedend1976 1 year ago
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@kevintheshedend1976 Texas Governor Ann Richards had AA spies in WACO. They all escaped right before over 100 were burned to death.
freedummy1 1 year ago
You are so wrong with these unfounded and purely inventive assertions. If you'd do the AA program as it is intended as, you'd recover from a deadly disease called alcoholism. If you're not in need of any recovery, then do familiarize yourself with the content and intentions of AA before trying to intimidate people who're seeking for release from alcoholism. I'm a AA member and not allied to any sect or denomination. The primary purpose is to stay sober and to help other alcoholics to the same.
indridi 1 year ago
AA works for many, I praise that group because it makes the world of difference to the ones that it truly helps because they are nice friendly objective non-judgmental and invite you for coffee after a meeting, gets a list of names and numbers for me and gives suggestions on who to call. They love me as a sponsee because I called for that inventory, which was long and as I went through the shame and I told it all, we connected better than the typical sponsee's that call who call him nighly...
9436oelable 1 year ago
"everyone at those meetings is sober" Seriously reco. How do you know that? What about the 95% of new or returning alcoholics who walk into the rooms and are never seen or heard from again after a miserly 1 year. Look, dont believe me, refer to the literature of your own cult heirarchy. AA s own triennial studies drew these conclusions not some randon 12 step hater. Oh well, to blindly follow in spite of proof of its failure is cultish indoctrination. Good luck to you. +J+
opiatedmonkey 1 year ago 4
@opiatedmonkey dont believe the 5 percent bull shit.
sbmf56 7 months ago
@opiatedmonkey There are a lot of liars in there too!
meddetect10 4 months ago
I believe that it is truly sad that u cannot find help from these philosophies, and design for living, their are certain promises that are mentioned in the book and all of them do come true if u are though and honest. If u have tried to get sober please don't be afraid to come back, no matter what u do or say u may always reach a hand out for help, and the hand of AA will be there. I might not agree with what u believe in but I have been given morals and also a responsibility to be of service,
chrissybear123 1 year ago
you guys are fucked in the head, aa dosent force any moral choices on you or turn u into some cult member, theyre people who have suffered in life and reach out to others in the same shoes. they have bigger hearts than any of you combined, i was a pathetic hopeless wretch without friends, until i went to meetings, where i was greeted with love and compassion, and i have no faith in a higher power and thats fine with them. and the 5% succes is bullshit. everyone at those meetings is sober.
recoshepard 1 year ago
@recoshepard You live in a dream world. You will know them for the slimeballs and cheesy rats that they really are one day. One AA giant asked me one time how much a gram of Cocaine cost. I found out later he tempted a young woman in AA with that amount of money in order to have sex with her. That is just one example of the insanity in that group. Dig a little deeper with those people and get into them personally and you will see many disgusting things. Best wishes....
lancer89032 8 months ago
Huh. Maybe all those meetings affected your comprehension levels since you have erronously credited me with a video i had no hand in. Oh well. by the way, an alternative the Harvard School of Medicine promotes is the "just do it yourself' treatment modality. Apparently it works for 80%of all alcoholics. Novel idea im sure. You may find that difficult to comprehend as you have already displayed a deficiency in that respect.
opiatedmonkey 1 year ago
How many different ways can a person say it doesnt work before you understand it. Must i paint you a picture. I am truely sorry to have afforded you a degree of intelligence where there was none. Oh well, Good luck to you. I just hope for your sake they dont start dipensing poisoned electrric kool aid at meetings. I fear you would be first in line. Still no citation for your 2 million sober alcoholics fairytale? No, didnt think so.
opiatedmonkey 1 year ago
@opiatedmonkey I'm a recovered Alcoholic, and went through AA. It got me sober long enough so I could break the alcohol habit. Yes, they preached a higher power for you to believe in, but never forced God on anyone that I saw.
I am no longer in or around AA, though I went to a few meetings a few years ago, just to see how the group was run in Little Rock. The room was full of sober people. What's your alternative? Should all those people just disband? Your video is ludicrous.
gjsterp 1 year ago
Hilarious clip! Btw, In AA we don't pull people off barstools. You wanna drink? BFD, that's your business. The good news for millions of blameless children, worried spouses & broken homes is AA works if you actually do it, on a simple daily basis. Don't want to stay sober? Great, go back out and keep digging.
IdahoAngler2 1 year ago
I love the way she says dangerous. danger-ass LOL
Turdbuckethat 1 year ago
AA is a cult with a dead cult leader just like Scientology. It is a money making organization of rehab centers and political influence.
spacestate 1 year ago
@spacestate "Money making?" I remember giving 2 dollars, when I had it, to help pay the rent and for the coffee we were drinking. There was never anything more than, "If you can afford to give a dollar or two..."
AA helped me to get sober. They aren't a cult.
willbond 1 year ago
Alcoholism is not a disease or a dis-ease. It a behavior that is solely based on CHOICE.It's your choice and you are responsible for your choices.
spacestate 1 year ago
AA does not have enough structure or true leadership to be a cult. It's success rate is almost non existent though. To any with a 'drinking problem', you can quit, believe in yourself and it is possible to quit. Find something besides your past you want to put behind you, and quitting drinking is easily possible.
McDago100 1 year ago
Wow! I don't even know what to say to this. If someone in AA has hurt you in some way I seriously wouldn't label an organization that they were part of, it's the person. I cannot see how you could come to conclusions like this if you have ever attended AA for any length of time, even one meeting. Unless you were had some emotional baggage that made it seem like people at these meetings were "cultish" to you. In any case I assure you that your claims are wildly mistaken.
bart362437 1 year ago
I read most of the comments on here. It's sad that people actually argue over things like this. AA is not a cult, it isn't. You go to AA because your life is absolute crap, not because life is going well. Sometimes you just listen to people no matter what they say because anything is better than the place you were at. I was a hardcore atheist who was majoring in Science, but AA helped me gain the faith back that I thought I threw away long ago. God is the key to staying clean and living clean.
corning1 1 year ago
@corning1 What about athiests & agnostics who have been clean for years & years?
breda83 1 year ago
Who cares? There is no they, it's just a group of individuals. If you don't like the way one person does something, do it another way, whatever works for you. I would like to spend less time worrying about what other people are doing and more time focusing on what works for me and my family. I have 16 months sober, and do go to meetings, but I definitely agree there are many ways to get sober.
TrueWoodDesign 1 year ago
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mattamal1 1 year ago
AA is a cult in every way. Even the Logo for AA is an ancient Satanic Symbol representing the various "elements" needed for spells and black magic. The Triangle inside the circle is also the base design of other Satanic Symbols as well.
One thing I have learned over the years is that Symbolism is very real and very effective in summoning demonic spirits into the world or into a person or to welcome the demonic spirits into an organization, corporation or even an object.
videocircus 1 year ago
@videocircus I'm not surprised at this...most (but not all) of steppers are "JOHN 8:44" kind of people, you know.
seeker4trth 1 year ago
This lady must never had watched the she COPs that show was created by us Alcoholics lol this lady is Powerless i bet she dont have the power to remove AA out of her head
TheMarkTheShark86 1 year ago
@TheMarkTheShark86 looking at this remark, what further proof does one need that 12stepism is an Irrational, mind destroying CULT!!!
seeker4trth 1 year ago
It really doesn't matter. It works if you work it.
SingerSongwritter1 1 year ago
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@SingerSongwritter1 No, it does not, but keep buying into the delusion that it does Til' your next relapse...
seeker4trth 1 year ago
the ama 1967 made it a diesase to bleed ins companies!!! no where in the first 164 pages does it say disease thats something you made up!!! if it is not in first 164 pages its not aa its something you overheard by some other on informed person!!! look at 164 pages of texxt it states malady or allergy!!! you really dont no what your talking about
hartattackdon 1 year ago
@hartattackdon Err, it may not say disease but it does say....,Continue to speak of alcoholism as an illness, a fatal malady. Talk about the conditions of body and mind which accompany it. Keep his attention focussed mainly on your personal experience. Explain that many are doomed who never realize their predicament.
The Big Book, 3rd & 4th Editions, William G. Wilson, page 92.
opiatedmonkey 1 year ago
this is wrong asshole
southflorida561 1 year ago
this is the dumbest shit ive ever seen hopefully you can get clean and sober cause u obviously are using and have not work on yourself at all when you realize your way doesnt work we will welcome you with open arms...i will pray for you..you fool!
MrRyanesmyth 1 year ago
@MrRyanesmyth I go to SOS,have been C&S for more that two yrs, my way works way better than your CULT, and I'm really happy too...so every one who criticises 12stepism is obviously still using eh? EVERYTHING THAT COMES OUT OF A STEPPERS MOUTH IS WHAT COMES OUT OF A HORSES ASS.
seeker4trth 1 year ago
A.A. is nothing but a BrainWashing CULT!!!
bebow666 1 year ago
@bebow666 But as far as BrainWashing CULTs go, it rocks your fucking world.
sirmcgowington 1 year ago
OH my God, this is a very sick person who posted this video. Please, people, stop arguing with these crazy anti AA/Recovery nuts. I'm convinced that they are all in denial, in relapse and on some crazy power trip. Condeming AA is like condeming antibiotics. AA does not have to prove anything. We are sober and living out our lives.
mlcoo17 1 year ago
@mlcoo17 not a surprising comment from someone who was at a low point in their life and found or was forced into AA as a solution. Its not very hard to create a new image of someone's "self" when they are broken, the military does it via boot camp, cults do it, its called programming and has been used for centuries now. Something you may find surprising is that destroying someone's sense of self and programming a new one is considered a form of torture.
jarrodm2002 1 year ago
@jarrodm2002 Yes I was at a low point, you could say, since I was near death. So now new my new "image" is that I own a successful contracting business and I live in my own 4000 square foot brick home, and it's paid for. I have not drank or done any drugs in 26 years. AA never forced me to do anything, I asked AA to help me. I dont know where you guys get you info, but AA has only helped people to get sober, you make it sound like were fucking children up the ass in the back room or something.
mlcoo17 1 year ago
@mlcoo17 No, not in the back rooms, but in other places...
seeker4trth 1 year ago
WHO MAKES THESE BULLSHIT VIDEOS? AA IS GOOD. LEAVE IT ALONE.
bigirish68 1 year ago