Dr. Chuck Baldwin on Abortion

[1Atomtan]

You can't trust anyone who worked with that charlatan Jerry Falwell.

[BigMikeMcBastard]

The good news is these clowns will never get elected and all of their simple followers are effectively throwing away their votes by supporting them, which is ultimately a good thing. Better they vote for an unelectable fool like Chuck here than a Republican candidate.

[ronpaulbot]

100% pro-life... except for sending kids to die in wars, letting the poor die from lack of health care, and executing convicts including underage and mentally disabled ones, but yeah, we can't let that 5 day old clump of cells die!

[BigMikeMcBastard]

@ronpaulbot The entirety of the "pro-life" movement is incredibly stupid and ignorant. Prior to Roe v. Wade, botched "back alley" abortions were a leading cause of death amongst women of reproductive age. Further, if they cared about stopping abortions they'd be trying to funnel money into accessible birth control measures, actual sex education (not abstinence nonsense), and helping the poor. But fat chance at conservative Christians giving two shits about the poor or anything like that.

[ronpaulbot]

@BigMikeMcBastard That's because birth control is just as bad as abortions in the minds of fundamentalist Christians. Things are very black and white, no room for pragmatism. Once they accept the idea that the magically soul enters the being at conception, no amount of scientific reasoning can convince them otherwise. Google 'Carl Sagan on Abortion' for a more reasoned approach to the issue.

[BigMikeMcBastard]

@ronpaulbot I actually read Sagan's view on abortion a while ago, as I'm a big fan of his, and I share a very similar view on abortion as he does. Speaking of abortion though, have you seen the documentary Lake of Fire?

[aussie3135]

lol, what a moron. I always thought that the people are private citizens and not government property. "person under the Constitution". Are you Pro Liberty or Pro Authoritarian????????

[Darusdei]

Hahaha batshit crazy, well that's one of the reasons why he cant come even close...

well i do agree that some of hes ideas are pretty good but most go way to extreme...

[LegPains]

@Darusdei

Vote to Destroy  and Ruin America for good, elect Osama Obama in 2012

[tacophucker]

Oh, so he wants to destroy freedom...and impose religious terror upon us....

Fuck this freak.

[LegPains]

@tacophucker

Osama Obama ?

Liberalism is a Mental  disorder

[yourallstoopid]

you christains are lied to by the republicans. tehy dont give a damn about you, your percious fetuses or your beliefs. look past the lies and use your vote for some good and vote ron paul 2012

[LetsGet1ThngStraight]

Please Dear God, let the GOP run on an anti-abortion platform until it completely shrivels up and dies. As it deserves to.

[LetsGet1ThngStraight]

ACTUALLY Hasani hasn't presented any scientific evidence and he chooses to ignore the ACTUAL EVIDENCE of recent creation of life from non-life. Life is a complex set of physical mechanisms, reproduce them and life can be created. Today it's microorganisms, tomorrow it will be humans. But scientists will make them smarter than you religious nuts.

[RepugTardsEatShit]

WOW watching this Baldwin bozo is like peeking into the mind of a Taliban, determinded to uphold and support their fantasy religious views above everything else. Even people. THANK GOD America would never elect a yokel like this, but he is right about one thing: the Republicans could have made abortion illegal by now if they had wanted to. LOL as stupid as they are at least give them credit for understanding that outlawing abortion would be their political suicide.

[RepugTardsEatShit]

You religious wackadoodles can live in any kind of fantasy world you want, we don't care if you believe in Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny or whatever but we just don't want you to try to enforce your belief system on us. No a fetus is not a life yet it is a POTENTIAL life, you might consider readjusting your thoughts to value ACTUAL life much more than you do by considering the invasiveness of government making such a private decision; & the death penalty where many innocent people have died.

[hasani42]

scientifically thats not true. Its a scientific fact life cannot come from non life. Thats why its life at the moment of conception, a sperm and an egg arent dead, theyre alive, which is what makes it possible to produce life.

[RepugTardsEatShit]

Baloney hasalami, you don't know science. Scientists have reproduced the entire genetic code of microorganisms from scratch and "created life" already. You are just flogging yourself with your nutty fantasies about how "holy" life is, forgetting that around HALF of all pregnancies end in miscarriage (= natural or "God's" abortion) so the biggest abortionist is your God you have convinced yourself like an idiot that you think you understand. You don't.

[hasani42]

insulting me personally only shows that you cant defend your position. I wasnt arguing form the standpoint of religion, so dont try and bring that into it, I was arguing from science, Again, I can send you the research if you want, but you cant create something living from something that isnt, thats the nature of life, Ill send you periodicals showing the proof of this if youd like.

[RepugTardsEatShit]

Oh sure you just up and decided all on your own one day that "life begins at the moment of conception", is that what you're trying to say?

BALONEY, the sperm is alive and the egg is alive. So is every other cell in your body, AND SO ARE THE ORGANISMS CREATED BY SCIENTISTS FROM NON-LIVING MATERIALS. Your basic assumptions are entirely and completely in error, consequently so are your conclusions. Just like BuyBull thumpers everywhere.

[hasani42]

I didnt decide it on my own, this is what scientific research shows. Now if you assume Im just antiabortion becasue all people who are antiabortion are christian Bible thumpers your again making an ignorant assumption. Im against abortion because I do believe its immoral, but Im also against it as an African American, I dont like Planned Parenthood, it was founded by a eugenecist, but thats another topic. But please. again, cite for me some pereodicals that suppoert your claim, thank you

[RepugTardsEatShit]

You don't understand science and it isn't my job to teach it to you. You're entitled to call yourself antiabortion for whatever reasons you may or may not have but you're not entitled to force others to share your belief system. That's where the problems come in, the control-freak nature of the zealot convinced he's right about something absolutely unprovable and ultimately unknowable. The ultimate idiocy. Should have nothing to do with being AA or who founded PP either, ONLY medicine.

[hasani42]

Okay, you tell me I dont understnad science, and i do very well, thats why I asked you to send me the data and sources that back up your claim, Now I will get together the data and sources that support mine. If you were so confident in your position you ought to be able to defend it with scientific fact, and you dont, all you can do is make baseless insults. Youre an ignorant moron and I say that not because of your argument, but because you make arguments you cant defend

[SlayerBus]

Hasani Pretty much owned you. your argument isn't fluid and you have offered no basis on why he doesnt understand science(which it seems he does because he is completely correct in his analysis). I could go further, but akin to what you stated above you have a closed mind and it is not my job to open it for you. No matter what evidence anybody shoves in your face you will be convinced your right. Most of you people are. Good day.

[dirtydkb24fan]

send me this evidence plz.

[dirtydkb24fan]

S owhat you're saying is, is that it's ok to kill a defenseless human being because it MIGHT die anyways? That makes it ok for me to mureder a born person because they WILL die anyways.

[LetsGet1ThngStraight]

Dirty, your superstitious view that a group of cells or an embryo or even a fetus is a fully qualified human being is just wrong. You ascribe to much cosmic preciousness to potential human life yet all around you there are actual humans unjustly killed in wars and executions, which paradoxically most religious right-wing hypocrites usually support. If you would occasionally question the rationality of the absurd theology you've been spoon fed, you might be able to recover from your delusions.

[siLveRscOpe13x]

so what you're telling me is that if you were aborted, it'd be okay? you know, Albert Einstein was a consequence of rape. what if we aborted him?

[LibertarianFan]

Albert Einstein wasn't a consequence of rape.

[ACEBAKER911]

Chuck is Right about this issue

He got  184,000 votes !

[MMAZZ12]

Is he going to portect all mosquitos as well? Humans aren't all that special, least of all the unborn ones in the early stages. If it is totally clear to a mother or she decides after weighing everything in this difficult choice, let the decision be hers. Do not interfere. Keep your religion to yourself please. Please!

[egautreaux]

who said anything about religion? it's a LIFE!!! Murder is a CRIME!

[RepugTardsEatShit]

Dimwit, an ant has more consciousness than a fertilized human egg, do you walk around worrying about stepping on ants? Fertilized eggs, embryos, & fetuses are POTENTIAL life which even your pathetic excuse for a God doesn't care much about, so why are you? There's not a WORD in your BuyBull against abortion and Jesus didn't have anything bad to say about it either. It's just a little drama fantasy in your head, nothing more. Grow up.

[dirtydkb24fan]

You have obviously never read a BIBLE. So please, be quiet and stop acting like you know everything, for those of us that do.

[2connection]

BALDWIN POWER 08

help restore our Constitution

A vote for either Mccain or Obama is a Wasted vote on more of the same chaos and terrible Govt

[TimothyScottOBrien]

If you don't want to have a kid, keep your legs closed... or at least take birth control.

[1n354a]

That is a horrible idea across the board...while I don't personally agree with abortion as a method of birth control I see no merit in what this man proposes. Thank the gods that he is not going to have the ability to carry out his plans.

[HumanRights4Everyone]

TRUTH ALERT!

There's so much ignorance about abortion, if only people knew more. Its a wonder how so many people can form opinions on abortion when they don't know what it is. I know its a hot-button issue but people on both sides need to stop beings governed by their emotions and start deciding based on the facts. If everyone knew the facts on abortion the controversy would disappear. Nearly all of the questions about abortion have already been answered. Educate yourself, go to abort73(dot)com

[nimon1999]

Im not sure that Chuck could change the law so drastically that no one could have an abortion ... Tho I see abortion as murder..I also see the need for it horribble as it is ...however it disturbs me to see soo many people get hung up on this one issue....Chuck has soo many other good quailities I think we should stock up on contraceptives and avoid guilt and Vote for Chuck

[2connection]

On balance of all issues we have, there is no question this man is a much better Candidate than Mclame or Osama Obama.

Its that simple so why do many people make it complicated ? People wake up ! Obama Mccain are both frauds and will change ZERO its all a scam designed to fool you

BALDWIN 08 Vote for the Constitution

[street2fighter]

well said . . .

[jblaz1024]

Chuck for pres !

[tdt1000]

I support him. But the proposed bill should include electric chair for all globalist baby killing stinkies.

[AutoYorn1]

Hes got my support here in PA too

[Godgui7]

YES! YES! YES!!

[Tyler13R]

Hmmm, I'm a hard core Ron Paul supporter and was going to vote for Bob Barr, however since I heard Baldwins views on immigration, I have jumped on his band wagon, however now I'm not so sure???

Ron Paul clearly stated he would leave abortion up to the states which was an acceptable compromise, but making abortion illegal across the board federally is just idiotic! I think I'm going back to Barr!

[quietstorm403]

A vote for Barr or Baldwin is a vote against whats really Killing this country in a slow but steady death.

And that is a totally criminal corrupt to the core 2 party Dictatorship that doesnt serve this country anymore, thats whats important to focus on !

AS LONG AS YOU ARE VOTING 3RD PARTY, YOU ARE PART OF SOLUTION

[jwsoup]

I Did not like this about Ron Paul, and I feel the same hearing it from Mr. Baldwin. I love the rest of the message but this is one issue I can not get behind!

[quietstorm403]

I liked this about Ron and now Chuck ! dont be a one issue Moron, its about something alot better than what we now have .

On Balance with all the issues, there is no question or doubt that BALDWIN or any of the 3rd party candidates for that matter , are a superior choice to the Obama Mccain phony insanity that we are spoon fed as if the Nation is a bunch of Popularity obsessed Idiots.

I demand another choice, and this man has definitely earned My vote !

BALDWIN 08

[doosky2k]

I don't understand how the argument of abortion is a religious issue. Nowhere in the Bible does it mention the point where life begin. So a pro lifer saying that there is life at conception isn't really pushing there religion on you.

So why do Pro Choicers always turn to this as an argument, That and then the argument about someone being a man has no say in the matter because they don't have to carry the baby for 9 months. Too me, these two responses are just cop outs

[delight10103]

leve it to the christians to tell EVERYONE what is right for a womans body

its fine to preach but as president you are representing all americans

you cant enforce christian "values" in every one

president = john q. public

public is for everyone and everyones opinion.

[2connection]

I havent been to a church in  10 yrs and im Not religous at all, but this man definitely has My vote !

Hes a true consistent Principled Independent constitutional conservative Patriot

Im voting for him because he CLEARLY is a totally superior candidate to both Obama and Mccain , which are both frauds

[1Th1617]

It's a PERSON!!! It's just not as well developed a person as later on. But it has all the components of a human being.

[LibertyinLaw]

What about the "FORCE" used to snuff out the life of a pre-born child? Isn't that wrong? What you don't understand is that its not about the woman, but rather the life growing inside of her. And if that child is not entitled to its life under some circumstances then life and liberty will not be secure in America -- ever.

[LibertyinLaw]

Either it is a life or it isn't and science proves it is a life, so it is entitled to its God-given rights. The woman's rights end where the child's rights begin. Does it suck yes, but that's life and the woman's ordeal (at least the pregnancy)will be over and forgotten in a year and she won't have to live with having murdered a human life.

[LibertyinLaw]

The moral absolute that our right to life is based upon is: "Thou shalt not kill." There is no absolute that says, "Thou shalt not force a woman to have the baby she conceived."

[avth76]

my point. it's not about the woman. it's never about the woman.

tell that to a 12 yr old girl who was just raped by her father or uncle...tell her it's not about her and that she doesn't matter.

anyway...good points all around.

[LibertyinLaw]

Poor thing will have to deal with it because it is not right to take the life of one child to prevent the discomfort of another. These emotional arguments do not overcome truth.

[avth76]

poor THING? oh, i see....a fetus is a human, but a 12 year old girl is a thing?

I get it now. it's all cleared up. thanks.

[McCaintheLIBERAL]

This man has heart, values, Conscience and great Principles. Hes a very intelligent well spoken Man. He speaks for my values and what i believe in.

Its time to get on the CHUCK WAGON folks, and lets all join in and ride it right into the White House, WE CAN DO IT ! Have faith, believe, and Lead by Example by Educating and informing everyone you know of about chuck

I PROUDLY STATE THIS MAN HAS EARNED MY VOTE, COUNT ME IN, GO CHUCK , WE'RE WITH YA 100 PERCENT BUDDY

[avth76]

yes, that's true....first trimester abortions are far less "gruesome" than third trimester...which is brutal...i wouldn't condone that....however, an embryo looks very different from a fetus. and a zygote looks very very different.

[1Th1617]

6pack1, life is life. A human being, a person, a baby is a baby when it starts being formed in the mother's womb. Life is life.

[psxwarrior]

I love Chuck Baldwin and Ron Paul.

[eesloan4]

well that is kind of a battle of rhetoric....fetus vs embryo...look at a 5 month old in the womb and tell me it doesn't look like a baby

and that isn't true abortions are legal up to viability which is still up to doctor interpretation

[silus2000]

Ron Paul supported states deciding thsi issue. THis man says the Federal Government will dictate all unborn fetus' having legal status as a person.

I'm confused!

[eesloan4]

yea I don't quite like that...but he is MUCH better than bob barr.....vote for baldwin

[silus2000]

I just found out that I can no longer support Chuck Baldwin. He panders to the "anti-illegal immigrant" crowd. Specifically, he wants to put in jail business owners that employ illegal immigrants.

Now I have always thought that was a good idea...before Ron Paul educated me on the subject. Clearly this is a problem solved within the market. New laws and penalties will just punish the working man for the ineptitudes of elite politicians, those that control the market. We just adapt to it.

[eesloan4]

Well he is saying if you knowingly hire illegals you should be punished......they have to prove you were knowledgable of their status...

[escortpete]

You People are Sick and need Mental Help.

[TheFreedomRevolution]

My vote is going to Chuck Baldwin in November!

Baldwin2008 . com

[escortpete]

If it's a choice between the New World Order and Christian's who wont mind their own freaking business, You know Like Pastor Baldwin and his cult.

I welcome the New World Order.

[1Th1617]

escortpete, oh, you "welcome the New World Order?" You welcome being a slave? You welcome being, perhaps, hered into a Fema Concentration Camp or killed? You welcome having to take the Mark of the Beast and stand in line for bread? I see, all because you hate Christians (you really hate Jesus Christ is what you're saying) and you don't believe in the sanctity of life. Well, I guess you don't believe in the sanctity of your life, either, if you welcome the New World Order.

[2connection]

Chuck B  is right about this.

[escortpete]

The Constitution party need to read the Constitution,Stay the fuck out of peoples lives. You are BORN FREE not UnBORN FREE.

Here we go False choices.

A Woman's Life is her own, her body is Her's

It's that simple!

This is why our Country is lost, Some do gooder ass shoving their moral code down everyone's throat.

I don't think the Government should pay for abortions or pay women for pumping out kids.

Take away the incentive and maybe men and women will think twice( act Reasonable ).

Peace

[TheFreedomRevolution]

Yeah, a woman's body is her own. That's NOT the issue. I wish you people would get that through your thick skulls. It's about the BABY'S body, not the woman's body!

Our Constitution was written to protect LIFE and liberty of the people, NOT someone's "right" to kill another human being.

Obviously YOU need to read the Constitution. Nowhere does it say someone has a "right" to take the life of someone else!

[escortpete]

When I hear People like you I get excited about the NWO taking over.

Under your Christian Rules if a Woman is Pregnant, she is now property of the state.

You Need to Read the Constitution over and over until you get it.

You control Your Life, but thats not good enough for You, You want to control other peoples lives.

Screw it lets just grow babies in a lab, because I'm sick of your Christians bullshit.

Teach your morals to your kids and quit trying to make them law.

You will lose.

[eesloan4]

well hold on....it's not really about control (btw I am just mostly playing devil's advocate here) because it is saying that the baby should not have to be put through a violent act or death...just as each person has the state behind them protecting their right to life and right not to be harmed...it's not a matter of being a property of the state....it's a matter of it's the baby's property....and it's your property and it is your first property; your body

[1Th1617]

What?! "Under your Christian Rules if a Woman is Pregnant, she is now property of the state?" What the heck does that mean? Gee, killing someone is against the law/against the state. Abortion being illegal DOES NOT make a woman "property of the state." It will mean that life is VALUABLE!! EVERY life!! Even life that is INCONVENIENT for a woman. Gee, I'm pregant; it gets in the way of my life plans. Think I'll kill it. What cold, calculating deliberate murder. That's what abortion is.

[avth76]

i like what was said before....we need to change behavior....we need to instill proper values again....

[avth76]

ah, i understand what you're saying. well done.

my body, my rules. your body your rules. simple.

[eesloan4]

I can understand the idea that a fetus is a human but I don't like baldwin's idea of making it a federal ruling for all states to ackowledge this

If we are to take amendment 10 seriously the states should be entitled to rule on their own in this situation.

The same thing should be said for the defense of marriage act. Both rulings should be strictly a state issue. The power should be given to the states to act.

If someone can be of assistance in debating this point please do.

[1Th1617]

eesloan4, listen to yourself. "I can understand the idea that a fetus is a human but I don't like baldwin's idea of making it a federal ruling for all states to acknowledge this." SO...people should be able to murder human beings, by your logic?

[eesloan4]

most crimes including murder (unless they are committed on federal property) are designated crimes by each respective state

this is one of the reasons why slavery was such a sensitive subject....slavery was always created as such through state designation and legislation....each state abolished slavery when it desired to until the civil war....in which the federal government waged a war killing 600,000 to keep the south from excercising a constitutional principle....the right of secession

[eesloan4]

and to expatiate on it further the reason we are a constitutional public with federated power is because we recognize (or we used to) the right of states to determine their own laws....the federal government was only created by the states for very limited interests; courts, national defense

I don't think abortion should be legal because it does not fit any theory of respecting life...it only fits peoples' agendas as a matter of pragmatism

[eesloan4]

I think each state's constituency with the representation of their elected should vote separately on the issue and it should not be a federal power to sanctify or deny abortion; only the states should have that power

I am not sure why ron paul's bill doesn't say that...I'd have thought that he would have involved each state to legislate separately

despite all that...chuck baldwin is certainly far and above the best candidate for 08 and I am going to be proud to vote for him!

[TheFreedomRevolution]

Sign up on Baldwin's email list.

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[avth76]

due process? how is that accomplished? I don't like the thought of *forcing* women to give birth. that is my only struggle here....i support all other platforms like freedom, the constitution, anti-nwo....i'm with that completely...but i want my right to choose. isn't freedom about having the right to choose? or am i misunderstanding his and Dr. Paul's message?

[TheFreedomRevolution]

No one has the right to "choose" to take the life of another human being.

Our founding fathers intended that we protect life and liberty.

[avth76]

I don't like the idea *forcing* anyone to do anything is not a good idea....just like in cases of rape. so if a woman (or a YOUNG GIRL) is raped...and impregnated we have to FORCE her to bear that child? that's like raping her over and over and over for 9 months!

I don't like that idea, since i'm a woman, i'm very concerned. It's VERY easy for men to be on the otherside because you can NOT get pregnant, however, you can commit the raping and impregnation.

[avth76]

i don't like the idea that it's MY body resources the fetus is living off of and I have NO right to determine what to do with it?

sometimes it seems to me, that pro-life is anti-woman. NO ONE discusses how women feel and the impact on EXISTING lives. murder is abhorrent, but i'll be damned if some man in a suit is going to tell me what to do with MY own body after it has been violated. so i have a right to control all my bodily organs except my uterus?? as you can see i'm struggling here.

[eesloan4]

Well their point is that if a fetus is a human then protecting it is as important as protecting your life. So yes pro life people would say it is using your resources but if a fetus has the same rights as a child, you have no right to neglect your child and not feed it. So basically they'd argue (and I lean towards their way of thinking) your right to life and its right to life are most important- inconveniencing you by making you give up your bodily resources is superfluous to the argument.

[avth76]

maybe they should spend more time protecting women from rape instead of demonizing them after the fact. that's all i'm saying. thank you for your response.

just to clarify, i'm talking about in cases of rape...if someone is just plain irresponsible then i do not condone abortion. If you make it illegal, many women will do it anyway without proper regulations and a multitude of complications (including deaths) will result.

once again, thanks for the info.

[eesloan4]

Many probably would self abort their fetus but to pro life people that does not make it right if the fetus is a human as that means it is murder. A purely pro life candidate like Baldwin also would probably argue that even if someone was raped, the fetus (child) should not be killed and or neglected of his right to life because the father is a felon. Just because the father was a criminal and raped someone doesn't negate the humanity and protection it deserves under the law. You are welcome! :)

[avth76]

i see your point...but my question is, what about the woman? first she was forced to copulate next she's being forced into parturition..what about her humanity and protection?

yeah, i guess...what about it, right?

[LibertyinLaw]

Bad things happen to good people. It's a fact of life. We can't change when someone loses a limb when they get into a car accident that is not their fault. Why do we then think it is OK to take the life of an innocent child because of a wrong committed against a woman. A life is a life.

[1Th1617]

avth76, most abortions are not committed because a woman is raped. They're committed because a woman got pregnant, usually from uncommitted or sex outside of marriage and finds it gets in the way of her life and, therefore, decides to dispose of it. Let's be honest about this.

If people changed their moral behavior there wouldn't be unwanted pregnancies, sexually transmitted diseases and all the heartache and pain that they ensue.

[avth76]

I am being honest...not every case is rape, and not every case is an irresponsible slut who cares nothing of life...c'mon you be honest. abortions are not ice cream parties...and alot of pro-lifers think it's just an all night party at the clinics. I've been to one and those girls did NOT look like they were having fun. but just like i've stated in my *many* posts, my concern is rape cases.

you're right about the moral behavior...though. I can agree with that.

[1Th1617]

No, you DON'T!!! It's another life. Why do you think judges these days (people are actually starting to WAKE-UP...) are charging people who kill a woman who's carrying a child as committing TWO MURDERS. Your "uterus" houses life when pregnant!! Unlike other organs. You know the truth. EVERYONE does in their hearts. You just want to go your own way and live without having to be responsible to change your sexual life-style. There's no difference in people today as in the days of Noah.

[avth76]

that's right, judges are charging people for the death of a fetus.....yet, pregnant women still get a ticket for riding in the carpool lane alone......well, i guess they're not *really* riding alone...huh? oh, change that law now!!

[1Th1617]

Then you should of thought a second time before choosing to be sexually active. Being sexually active can cause pregnancy, whether you want that or not. You have the right to fornicate. You don't have the right to take life!

[Godgui7]

YES!!!V THAT'S WHAT WW NEED!

[TheFreedomRevolution]

Baldwin 2008!