*death of vader* Qui Gon is measuring midi chlorians while Q is watching in the distance. Qui Gon kinda shrugs as he sees that the stupid slave kid has none... (just moments before Qui Gon scans Little Orphan Ani (well..should have been)-- Q... *SNAP* "What midi chlorians?" Kid then dies in pod race...
Never forget Q... a being far more powerful than any force master. As soon as he got wind of any conflict between star trek and star wars, you can bet he'd be right there, fucking with the federation and making their lives miserable like the dick that he is. Star Wars universe wins due to interference. :D
Star Trek: teaches you how to live peacefully with others, shows tolerance, equality and no bias, a unified mankind that works together to eliminate poverty, war and famine.
Star Wars: teaches you how to make out with your sister.
@TheDarthHarrison the borg is cant reall fuck them either but the q might be able to though they are not really fighters more like "the watcher" from the marvel comics the difference is they get involved in shit. and there powers are really no match for the force.
@Idazmi7 you see now you're really over stepping it. lol
and in now way shape of form can star fleet fuck the the empire. The Q would be your only hope but what can the Q do once a jedi has reached the level of immortality and going back in time wont help either.
@Idazmi7 um vader did not kill obi wan he ascended to the next level of immorality since when did u ever see a jedi get struck by a light saber and vanish into thin air. and vader was killed when he sacrificed by throwing the emperor. And as far as far prove it i suggest you read the star wars novels you see that's the problem you guys just focus on the movies and forget about the novels
@dedseason hmm so the jedi can just ascend whenever they want and it's just a coincidence that it just happened to be as he was about to get hit with a lightsaber? As far as i know a person becomes a force ghost once they are killed and it's regarded that vader kills obi-wan in episode 4. That is why obi-wan tells anakin in episode 2: "Why do i get the feeling you will be the death of me?" if you noticed that part
@marsh84722 do you remember in return of the jedi yoda "dies" he also ascended to the next level it's what he mentioned in episode three when told obi-wan a jedi as learned the path to immortality he was talking about qui-gon jin and thats what obi-wan did in episode four.
@dedseason just because their soul lives on doesn't mean they weren't killed. This could all depend on your definition of life since it's possible that Star Trek has an afterlife where everyone continues to exist forever there too. Immortality is seen in star trek as well i.e. the nexus and the wormhole aliens.
@Idazmi7 Your comment is why the Sci-Fi wars continue to rage: You are both wrong!
Star Wars and Star Trek are not real. They are Science Fiction Shows and Movies written, directed, and acted out by normal human beings who live or have lived on this planet in the last 50 years or so.
And even if they did exist, Star Wars is set in a different Galaxy that Star Trek and takes place Millions of years earlier. So, you see, this Sci-Fi war is pointless.
@babylon218 Actually, you are missing even the smallest partof the picture. I enjoy Star Wars AND Star Trek: this particular Star Wars fansite is the only reason I even debate the subject:
@Idazmi7 Point taken. Any fan of either series can make one seem superior to the other using either non-canon or ret-conned statistics. Plus they have nothing better to do than bash the other show with pathetic propaganda as your video points out.
@christopher6173 You expect Star Wars fans to agree with you why? They're just going to make pointless remarks and/or insults until you stop posting or present concrete facts. One of the reasons I take a neutral position in these debates.
@babylon218 just a question ... besides having the force in it ... what else does starwars have that is supernatural? (cannon therefore no EU) ... cause techwise IMO both franchise seem eqaul (yet im not sure)
@MrTBSC well, apart from Anakin, Obi Wan and Yoda appearing as Ghosts in the final film, nothing. But I never said anything about the Supernatural.
And I'm not going to take sides in this debate so I won't respond to the "techwise" part. The last thing I need is getting my email filled with SW fans screaming for my blood...
the thing is the krimin ship was distroyed by the voyager q wouldnt give a shit enuf to give the startrech universe such an advantage and the treckys are too gay to win lol
@twominutepenalty that would give advantages to both sides ... feds get hyperdrive and holonet ... jedi/ republic gets beaming and replicators f.e. ... beaming would be very important to unload troops and vehicles in short time from a far distance
@wcywing ... quick tipp if interested ... star trek elite force a pretty good but short FPS for its time and bridge commander spacesim ... ST online is just an ok mmorpg ...
unfortunatly most developers pretty much f*** up the franchise with incomplete or complicaded games
i think a very important factor has been forgotten here. The power of the force is greater than any other power. Star treck has no force and as such would be crushed. As such star wars wins every time
@TheSplendidMrHaza22 na that's been brought up many times now :) Star Wars fans hope that there's a Jedi or Sith somewhere in the right place at the right time that can somehow reach outside of space-time and force choke the entire crew of the krenim ship or do a mind trick. If one has to rely on luck and faith in the force to overcome the impossible then I'd just give this one to Star Trek in all likelihood.
@marsh84722 Battle Mediation would allow a star destroyer to destroy a fleet of Star Treek Ships. In addition, the weapons in Star Wars are far supperior. Death Star. Sun Crusher. Galaxy Gun.
@marsh84722 Okay fine, here's another scenario. Palpatine has Imperial Intelligence infiltrate the Krenim weapon ship while Luke Skywalker dickers with Janeway for the the shield tech she used against them in "Year of Hell." Since she's despised by Trekkies at least as much as Wesley Crusher anyway, she cooperates,
@williamskidfears and Imperial Intelligence gets the data it needs from the weapon ship transmitted via HoloNet to the Emperor. Send in the Eclipse with the temporal shield technology, and its superlaser will make short work of the Krenim ship.
Then Palpatine builds his own temporal battleship and makes short work of the entire Trek universe.
@williamskidfears LOL you are simply pathetic. The Krenim Timeship is *out of our realm of existence*. Even Janeway could not board that ship if she wanted. She didn't. And Stormtroopers would not survive getting onboard the ship anyway, they would simply be erased from time by the weapon before the Imperial Transport got close enough!
@TheSplendidMrHaza22 Are you sure? Whats about the Q-Continuum and Q? An omnipotent Species. Or the Wormhole-Lifeforms from DS9 worshiped by the Bajorans as Prophets. The Borg against the Galactic-Empire would also be an interesting consideration. The Betazoids have telepatic abilities, the Shapeshifter/Founders can change their appearance. (even to metal, gas, clouds or fire). Not to mention aliens living in subspace or in a higher level of consciousness! think about it
but on star trek site there exist spezies like the near omnipotent Q continoum that could easily wipe out any force user with a simple hand gesture..i would agree on the weapons and tech part for star wars..but both using supernatural powers or races with such that would go more to star trek imo..and Q are just ONE species in STU
@TheSplendidMrHaza22 Totally agree TheSplendidMrHaza22 the power of the force is invincible and the emperor is powerful in it as is Vader. This Video is junky its always jumping around
@TheSplendidMrHaza22 The force is nothing more than a biological phenomenon of microscopic life forms that can be replicated by science.
It is this fact alone which scientifically makes the force possible for Star Trek characters. Just put some of Starfleet's finest doctors in a room, and they will replicate the force in no time at all.
An interesting showdown would be between the Krenim time ship, the whale song probe and V'ger. The time ship can erase everything, the whale probe can drain the power from everything and V'ger can disintegrate and absorb everything. Now through in the illusion power of the Talosian's and who even knows what would REALLY happen.
@Idazmi7 Well I assumed that phasers and blasters were pretty much the same and a well trained Jedi or Sith wouldn't be hit by one phaser or even rifle. I think Starfleet security is more like MPs in our military, they aren't trained/geared really for large ground wars like the clones, droids or other forces in Star Wars. I don't know of any race that would have a decisive ground victory over the common Star Wars forces. Perhaps you might come up with one?
@kvmairforce The Federaton in DS9. Or a smuggler with a pistol.
The Starfleet Security is NOT the Federation Territorial Defence Agencey. (Federation Army) The FTDA use armor and phaser-pulse rifles, which are like blasters.
The standard phaser is more powerful, (why? i dunno) and has few safety features to prevent, as Riker puts it: "vapourising the side of this building"
@Idazmi7 In DS9 the FTDA was being destroyed on the ground by the Dominion who was using little more than ground troops and will only do so much against Star War's "armored units." Even though these are fictional universes, I think the basic principle that armor over-comes infantry still applies. I don't remember DS9 actually "showing" huge ground wars, only large scale fleet battles. I doubt an average smuggler could kill a genetically enhanced clone and not Jedi/Sith as normative.
In actual war, they would send all ships, weapons, tech to the front lines. War has no rules. Freakin star Wars fanatic thinking only one federation ship passes. The Empire never was one for fair game, huh?
Sorry,but a real war of the Frenchises would end in a fully extermination of every ship,and notice:there is a way to destroy everything,obsolet how strong the shields are...
Well everyone knows the Krenim weapon ship is overpowered, I mean it's a ship that cannot be harmed by weapons, and supposedly indestructible! The ship was destroyed because Voyager has two men inside. How about something less OP, say the entire Borg collective vs the Empire, that'd be a much more even fight.
@quizzisation and the empire would be overrun in about 5 minutes flat. =P
Borg cubes adapt to the ion weapons and lasers (lol, pathetic weapons) and assimilate the hell out of everything. Transwarp enables them to get anywhere in next to no time, the Empire wouldn't stand a chance.
The Force might help a little while, but when you can afford to bury every force user in a million dead borg, it really doesn't matter.
As i've said before Q would remove all superweapons since he said he was God in Tapestry. and if he is in the Star Trek Galaxy, he would remove all superweapons to make it a balanced fight.
The most disturbing thing about the two universes is the fact star wars advaces technologicaly at such a slow pace, compared to star trek which grows more like our reality where every few years it moves in leaps and bounds. Also the most powerful being in star wars is a force empowerd individual and the most powerful tech is the deathstar, while star treks most powerful beings and tech is represented by the Q continium, a example of evolution.I'd rather live where it advances and no sithvsjedi.
to everyone reaching for the big-guns like "vader/emperor can choke them to death" and "the force blah-blah" there's only one thing to answer: Q ...! when you have to rely on a universal-force like, well the force itself, it sucks to have Q as an enemy, as he can manipulate all cosmological forces to his liking ;)
the q originate from another dimension/plane which has no direct connection to the conventional universe - the "force" as of itself, or as its described by jedi & everyone else in sw-fiction, it is simply a cosmological phenomenon, that jedi/sith are capable of tapping into & using it ... no problem there for a q to just snap 2 fingers and get rid of it altogether! not, anymore than it would be harder for him to simply snap the emperor/vader/deathstar out of existence O_o
@terrywest111 Aye, unfortunately Q has transcended the physical universe. A lifeform of either pure energy or perhaps simply thought itself. Using the Force probably wouldn't even tickle him. But, if he snapped his fingers and turned the Emperor into, say a slug, well... To Q all the universe was just yet another plaything...
@Delta2357 I think I remember something in KoTOR II that centered around the "death of the Force". I think I remember Darth Traya trying to destroy the Force by deadening areas of space to it... so there are ways to get rid of or destroy it.
@terrywest111 IIRC the Exile was "the Death in the force" which was caused by the destruction a planet its also why she was exiled. said death IIRC was expanded upon in other materials that Darth Nillus was said death that broke off from her and became basically a giant soul sucker
@TheRoblm assuming they can reach them, the jedi/sith would have to be at the right place at the right time to do that. That's kinda difficult when the timeline is being changed a lot wouldn't you think? We've seen in the episode that once the krenim weapon changes the timeline, everyone that made contact with them forget they did afterwards.
@idazmi7 And ISD DOES take 50+ shots for MOST weaker ships, but based on tech specifications, they're much much stronger than anything in the ST universe. plus, again, the Force. Vader or the Emperor could have choked the whole crew in the first video transmission. just sayin.
@TheRoblm except in this scenario since the krenim weapon is protected from being phased outside of normal space, the yield of star wars weaponry is irrelevant.
@Delta2357 you hope there's someone from the force that can try to force strangle people on the krenim ship before they get erased right? They would have to kill a great many of the crew to stop the krenim. Kinda hard to even mobilize a bunch of jedi/sith together to do this when the timeline is being changed a lot. If this is all you have, star trek wins.
if it was defeated in trek universe it can be defeated in wars as well
but as ive said skywalker alone could just tell then to leave the ship, get into it, travel to trek galaxy and destroy everyone, or just get a x-wing after deafeating the kremilim and destroying everything
@Delta2357 if you're referring to the Jedi Mind tricks, the Krenim scientists onboard would probably not be weak-minded enough to be affected by them. Even if they could be, existing outside of space-time would probably protect them from such things as it does from conventional weapons.
@Delta2357 it's not exactly the same thing but maybe if you can provide an example of a Jedi mind trick being performed by Jedi in normal space to someone in hyperspace it could be considered plausible. Krenim are not weak-minded though, so there's still a problem there.
@Delta2357 the krenim beamed tom and chakota onboard for study, got help from a defecting crew member to deactivate the temporal core to make the ship vulnerable to conventional weapons and then voyager collides with the krenim weapon destroying it.
@Delta2357 they only wanted to study tom and chakotay because of the temporal shielding that voyager created that incidentally protected them against the weapon interfering with their plans.
The Time Ship's greatest weakness is it's speed. It's FTL capability is low even in Star Trek. In Star Wars, where the galaxy can be crossed in mere days, it would take an age and a half to get anywhere.
@gatedude07 maybe :) I know seven of nine said the ship cannot exceed warp 5 but after they erased the Garenor homeworld they were able to reach voyager 20 light years away in a minute or two. It took voyager 3 weeks to travel that far in the episode.
@Idazmi7 haha I did already with my old account marsh8472 before it got deleted by youtube. If you check the older comments on that video you'd probably see me arguing with that guy. Anyway, when I did post this video as a response to his video he deleted it off his channel and blocked me. No bias there right? :)
@marsh84722 The guy was right if you cant handle the fact that Star wars would win its your problem (Also? Fan of both series. I just realize that Star wars tech is a lot more powerful as the galaxy has been at war for thousands of years (KOTOR 1 was 3000 years before the first Galactic Empire.) and thus has had a hell of more time to get the art of there battle craft right.)
@LinkHimora except star wars has no time travel technology. This krenim ship exists outside of space-time, immune to conventional weapons, and can change history at will.
@marsh84722 Actualy it is possible. There are quite a few tales of it happening in Star Wars canon one example would be a guy who went from 5000 BBY to 40 something ABY
@LinkHimora just did. I'm pretty sure that's a spatial time dilation example. That's not really time travel, it's just time on the ship moving slower for them from an outsider's point of view. It's very similar to cryostasis.
@Delta2357 they episode insinuates that the ship may be constructed again. All ships get destroyed eventually. That's just an excuse to avoid a conflict with a tech ship :) The crew on the ship do not age either so they have unlimited time to reach any planet they wish to erase from history.
star wars is set in a past so far and in a place so far away that numbers cant count, and we know by a fact that the far far way galaxy its not even in our universe therefor by the time the federation and humans for once are created they would be so imensivily powerful that they could do much more than that of the ship, that its if they didnt all ascend to a state as great as Q or superior giving the ammount of time
@Delta2357 how do we know their galaxy isn't in our universe? :-o For the purposes of this versus scenario, Q brought the krenim timeship back in time and to the Star Wars Galaxy.
@Delta2357 Its history is older than ours but different time doesn't prove different universe. They could be in different galaxies in the same universe, the cosmos.
@marsh84722 and as we are all considering facts from both universes maybe the force can simple negate the affects of the time bean, or vader can simple kill all onboard or crush the ship as the force can negate shields maybe ca negate the affects of the time displacement
@Delta2357 The krenim ship does exist outside of space time, that should protect them. There were a few Sith that could create force storms which could maybe penetrate outside of normal space. I think the emperor was capable of doing this after he was resurrected in the expanded universe. Though he wasn't very good at controlling them. He ended up being killed again by his own force storm.
@Delta2357 Technically no. The ship itself was wiped out of history by Janeway ramming her ship into it. When it exploded, the timeline was reset to a point before the ship was even built.
The end scene showed the captain/builder of the ship still tinkering with the specs on a data pad. He gets up to enjoy time with his wife, whose loss caused him to use his weapon in the first place. So the episode is not really clear on whether or not the Krenim built it anyway. They probably did.
@LinkHimora Yeah, but you're just thinking about the Federation and other such powers. Star Trek has shown that there were powerful empires in the Galaxy LONG before the Federation and other contemporary empires. The T'KON Empire, or the Preservers are a few examples.
@terrywest111 Yeah but the Star Wars verse has had Hyperdrive capability for 50,000 years IIRC, way longer then the majority of Treks species and resent tech upgrades from after the federation Also please remember anything from Voager isn't canon
@LinkHimora Star Destroyers have 60 turbo-"lasers", which are NOT rapid-fire. (SW:ANH) They carry 72 sublight fighters, and 5000 troops. Star Destroyers are not ray-shielded, only Star Dreadnaughts. They are made of Durasteel, which is only 1/3 neutronium, (SW:ACS) not enough to deflect phasers. They can bombard localized planetary targets, but prefer invasion.
The smallest Star Trek ships are therfore equivalent to Star Dreadnaughts.
*death of vader* Qui Gon is measuring midi chlorians while Q is watching in the distance. Qui Gon kinda shrugs as he sees that the stupid slave kid has none... (just moments before Qui Gon scans Little Orphan Ani (well..should have been)-- Q... *SNAP* "What midi chlorians?" Kid then dies in pod race...
armylngst 9 hours ago
Never forget Q... a being far more powerful than any force master. As soon as he got wind of any conflict between star trek and star wars, you can bet he'd be right there, fucking with the federation and making their lives miserable like the dick that he is. Star Wars universe wins due to interference. :D
Valvonite 17 hours ago
dis video is seying thet star trek is terorists
natonorway 6 days ago
Star Trek: teaches you how to live peacefully with others, shows tolerance, equality and no bias, a unified mankind that works together to eliminate poverty, war and famine.
Star Wars: teaches you how to make out with your sister.
davegreenwood1993 1 week ago
@davegreenwood1993 Uncalled for, The Empire Strikes Back was better than that.
Idazmi7 1 week ago
@davegreenwood1993 star trek=gay ppl in the movies
natonorway 6 days ago
transphasic weapons...phase through everything and detonated inside the hull
oh and don't forgett borg and the Q
TheDarthHarrison 1 week ago
@TheDarthHarrison the borg is cant reall fuck them either but the q might be able to though they are not really fighters more like "the watcher" from the marvel comics the difference is they get involved in shit. and there powers are really no match for the force.
dedseason 1 week ago
@dedseason The X-Men are better than Jedi. Star Trek pwns both.
Idazmi7 1 week ago
@Idazmi7 you see now you're really over stepping it. lol
and in now way shape of form can star fleet fuck the the empire. The Q would be your only hope but what can the Q do once a jedi has reached the level of immortality and going back in time wont help either.
dedseason 1 week ago
@dedseason Prove it. "Ascended" Obi Wan did nothing but talk. He's still dead by an asthmatic who got pwned by a newb.
Idazmi7 1 week ago
@Idazmi7 um vader did not kill obi wan he ascended to the next level of immorality since when did u ever see a jedi get struck by a light saber and vanish into thin air. and vader was killed when he sacrificed by throwing the emperor. And as far as far prove it i suggest you read the star wars novels you see that's the problem you guys just focus on the movies and forget about the novels
dedseason 1 week ago
@dedseason hmm so the jedi can just ascend whenever they want and it's just a coincidence that it just happened to be as he was about to get hit with a lightsaber? As far as i know a person becomes a force ghost once they are killed and it's regarded that vader kills obi-wan in episode 4. That is why obi-wan tells anakin in episode 2: "Why do i get the feeling you will be the death of me?" if you noticed that part
marsh84722 1 week ago
@marsh84722 do you remember in return of the jedi yoda "dies" he also ascended to the next level it's what he mentioned in episode three when told obi-wan a jedi as learned the path to immortality he was talking about qui-gon jin and thats what obi-wan did in episode four.
dedseason 1 week ago
@dedseason just because their soul lives on doesn't mean they weren't killed. This could all depend on your definition of life since it's possible that Star Trek has an afterlife where everyone continues to exist forever there too. Immortality is seen in star trek as well i.e. the nexus and the wormhole aliens.
marsh84722 1 week ago
@dedseason In the Movies, Obi Wan "could not help" when Luke fought Vader on Bespin. Despite his "ascended" status.
Idazmi7 1 week ago
Great job on your video . I loved it .
erwintipton 2 weeks ago
what the hell no way star trek would win against star wars
christopher6173 2 weeks ago
@christopher6173 Your comment is why these videos exist: You are wrong.
Idazmi7 2 weeks ago
@Idazmi7 Your comment is why the Sci-Fi wars continue to rage: You are both wrong!
Star Wars and Star Trek are not real. They are Science Fiction Shows and Movies written, directed, and acted out by normal human beings who live or have lived on this planet in the last 50 years or so.
And even if they did exist, Star Wars is set in a different Galaxy that Star Trek and takes place Millions of years earlier. So, you see, this Sci-Fi war is pointless.
For the record, I'm a Star Trek Fan.
babylon218 1 week ago
@babylon218 Actually, you are missing even the smallest partof the picture. I enjoy Star Wars AND Star Trek: this particular Star Wars fansite is the only reason I even debate the subject:
/watch?v=lcMgcJuQqvg
Mountains and mountains of annoying fanwank.
Idazmi7 1 week ago
@Idazmi7 Point taken. Any fan of either series can make one seem superior to the other using either non-canon or ret-conned statistics. Plus they have nothing better to do than bash the other show with pathetic propaganda as your video points out.
@christopher6173 You expect Star Wars fans to agree with you why? They're just going to make pointless remarks and/or insults until you stop posting or present concrete facts. One of the reasons I take a neutral position in these debates.
babylon218 1 week ago
@babylon218 just a question ... besides having the force in it ... what else does starwars have that is supernatural? (cannon therefore no EU) ... cause techwise IMO both franchise seem eqaul (yet im not sure)
MrTBSC 1 week ago
@MrTBSC well, apart from Anakin, Obi Wan and Yoda appearing as Ghosts in the final film, nothing. But I never said anything about the Supernatural.
And I'm not going to take sides in this debate so I won't respond to the "techwise" part. The last thing I need is getting my email filled with SW fans screaming for my blood...
babylon218 1 week ago
@babylon218 ... no prob ... i take neutral position on this too, cause i like both franchises
... im just doin a comparison of the varity of both universes thats all ...
if you don t want to post here then just send me a PM
MrTBSC 1 week ago
This is a horribly wasted opportunity to dub over all of Red Forman's "my foot in your ass" and "dumbass" lines from That 70's Show
LOL
SouthParkBear 2 weeks ago
Why not just send The Doomsday Machine?
SouthParkBear 2 weeks ago
Finally!!!
Elfenvampir 3 weeks ago
the thing is the krimin ship was distroyed by the voyager q wouldnt give a shit enuf to give the startrech universe such an advantage and the treckys are too gay to win lol
rudylichous 3 weeks ago
@rudylichous By that account, Star Wars is far more gay. (There are actually women in Star Trek) as for combat advantage, Try this:
/watch?v=0SQl4B5411k&feature=related
/watch?v=wEcO4-bJM58
Lol
Idazmi7 3 weeks ago
Personally I think the Jedi and the Federation would get along fabulously.
twominutepenalty 4 weeks ago 2
@twominutepenalty that would give advantages to both sides ... feds get hyperdrive and holonet ... jedi/ republic gets beaming and replicators f.e. ... beaming would be very important to unload troops and vehicles in short time from a far distance
MrTBSC 4 weeks ago
Not that i'm complaining. Lol
MrKellG 4 weeks ago
yeah right!!!! if they every did fight star wars would kill star trek
Anthone24 4 weeks ago
@Anthone24 No, the Empire would lose they fired a shot.
/watch?v=0SQl4B5411k&feature=related
Idazmi7 3 weeks ago
now can the star trek franchise make a good video game?
wcywing 1 month ago
@wcywing Yes.
/watch?v=CEoGc5S5zyc&feature=related
/watch?v=Bse6cMkJLYY
/watch?v=xP79vRob0Co&feature=related
/watch?v=8d1iFdOMYpA&feature=related
/watch?v=apwVD4yqBo4
Idazmi7 1 month ago
@Idazmi7 not bad, but not as good as sw games. however we must unite against an even great threat, twilight. brrr...
wcywing 1 month ago
@wcywing Star Wars episode 2 vs. Twilight.
Idazmi7 1 month ago
@wcywing base delta zero maneuver on planet Earth, twilight loses :)
marsh84722 1 month ago
@wcywing ... quick tipp if interested ... star trek elite force a pretty good but short FPS for its time and bridge commander spacesim ... ST online is just an ok mmorpg ...
unfortunatly most developers pretty much f*** up the franchise with incomplete or complicaded games
MrTBSC 1 week ago
@MrTBSC In Star Trek online, they just added too much baggage. You have to upgrade to weapons on "your level" to stay powerful.
Space combat in STO is excellent once you get to Captain rank.
Idazmi7 1 week ago
i think a very important factor has been forgotten here. The power of the force is greater than any other power. Star treck has no force and as such would be crushed. As such star wars wins every time
TheSplendidMrHaza22 1 month ago
@TheSplendidMrHaza22 na that's been brought up many times now :) Star Wars fans hope that there's a Jedi or Sith somewhere in the right place at the right time that can somehow reach outside of space-time and force choke the entire crew of the krenim ship or do a mind trick. If one has to rely on luck and faith in the force to overcome the impossible then I'd just give this one to Star Trek in all likelihood.
marsh84722 1 month ago 5
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CadBaneful 2 weeks ago
@marsh84722 Battle Mediation would allow a star destroyer to destroy a fleet of Star Treek Ships. In addition, the weapons in Star Wars are far supperior. Death Star. Sun Crusher. Galaxy Gun.
JPeel459 2 weeks ago
@marsh84722 Okay fine, here's another scenario. Palpatine has Imperial Intelligence infiltrate the Krenim weapon ship while Luke Skywalker dickers with Janeway for the the shield tech she used against them in "Year of Hell." Since she's despised by Trekkies at least as much as Wesley Crusher anyway, she cooperates,
williamskidfears 1 week ago
@williamskidfears and Imperial Intelligence gets the data it needs from the weapon ship transmitted via HoloNet to the Emperor. Send in the Eclipse with the temporal shield technology, and its superlaser will make short work of the Krenim ship.
Then Palpatine builds his own temporal battleship and makes short work of the entire Trek universe.
williamskidfears 1 week ago
@williamskidfears LOL you are simply pathetic. The Krenim Timeship is *out of our realm of existence*. Even Janeway could not board that ship if she wanted. She didn't. And Stormtroopers would not survive getting onboard the ship anyway, they would simply be erased from time by the weapon before the Imperial Transport got close enough!
Idazmi7 1 week ago
redthgs 1 month ago
@TheSplendidMrHaza22 ..ok star wars may have the force..
but on star trek site there exist spezies like the near omnipotent Q continoum that could easily wipe out any force user with a simple hand gesture..i would agree on the weapons and tech part for star wars..but both using supernatural powers or races with such that would go more to star trek imo..and Q are just ONE species in STU
with such abilities..don´t take STU so lightly
MrTBSC 4 weeks ago
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CadBaneful 2 weeks ago
@TheSplendidMrHaza22 Totally agree TheSplendidMrHaza22 the power of the force is invincible and the emperor is powerful in it as is Vader. This Video is junky its always jumping around
CadBaneful 2 weeks ago
@TheSplendidMrHaza22 The force is nothing more than a biological phenomenon of microscopic life forms that can be replicated by science.
It is this fact alone which scientifically makes the force possible for Star Trek characters. Just put some of Starfleet's finest doctors in a room, and they will replicate the force in no time at all.
Free hypospray injects of the force!
LivesForJihad 2 weeks ago 6
@LivesForJihad To bad its hereditery.
JPeel459 2 weeks ago
@JPeel459 Until it's injected into a Redshirt. Then it's hereditary in his family, too.
Idazmi7 1 week ago
@LivesForJihad the force can not be replicated by science i are you serious?
and you seem to forget a jedi can reach a high level or immortality.
dedseason 1 week ago
@dedseason If the force is a micro-organism...then it can simply be transplanted into other people.
It is simple biology which makes the force possible. Biology can be replicated with science.
LivesForJihad 1 week ago
@TheSplendidMrHaza22 ....um, the Q, you forget the Q
TheDarthHarrison 1 week ago
@TheSplendidMrHaza22 I see your force user and add a Q.
miack84 1 week ago
Could Annorax actually erase the Talosian's from history would they just make him think he had.
darrenholcomb42 1 month ago
An interesting showdown would be between the Krenim time ship, the whale song probe and V'ger. The time ship can erase everything, the whale probe can drain the power from everything and V'ger can disintegrate and absorb everything. Now through in the illusion power of the Talosian's and who even knows what would REALLY happen.
darrenholcomb42 1 month ago
stupid trekies
Mr12roundstofred 1 month ago
NO IT IS YOU WHO IS MISTAKEN ABOUT A GREAT MANY THINGS!!!!
starwarsawsomedude 1 month ago
@starwarsawsomedude The quoter of that phrase died.
ROFLFAIL
Idazmi7 1 month ago
heh heh there's no competition star wars will reign supreme!!!
starwarsawsomedude 1 month ago
Nice job. You also could have used V'ger too. I would love to see that also.
oceanrunner86 1 month ago
Thats an interesting take on this subject. The time ship would really win lol
MercShame 1 month ago
Star Trek would win ship battles.
Star Wars would win hand-to-hand battles.
All is equal.
kvmairforce 1 month ago
@kvmairforce "Star Wars would win hand-to-hand battles."
Phasers would easily mitigate that.
Idazmi7 1 month ago
@Idazmi7 Well I assumed that phasers and blasters were pretty much the same and a well trained Jedi or Sith wouldn't be hit by one phaser or even rifle. I think Starfleet security is more like MPs in our military, they aren't trained/geared really for large ground wars like the clones, droids or other forces in Star Wars. I don't know of any race that would have a decisive ground victory over the common Star Wars forces. Perhaps you might come up with one?
kvmairforce 1 month ago
@kvmairforce The Federaton in DS9. Or a smuggler with a pistol.
The Starfleet Security is NOT the Federation Territorial Defence Agencey. (Federation Army) The FTDA use armor and phaser-pulse rifles, which are like blasters.
The standard phaser is more powerful, (why? i dunno) and has few safety features to prevent, as Riker puts it: "vapourising the side of this building"
Idazmi7 1 month ago
@Idazmi7 In DS9 the FTDA was being destroyed on the ground by the Dominion who was using little more than ground troops and will only do so much against Star War's "armored units." Even though these are fictional universes, I think the basic principle that armor over-comes infantry still applies. I don't remember DS9 actually "showing" huge ground wars, only large scale fleet battles. I doubt an average smuggler could kill a genetically enhanced clone and not Jedi/Sith as normative.
kvmairforce 1 month ago
@kvmairforce You fail to understand Star Wars: Stormtrooper armor sucks. It never blocks or even HELPS to SURVIVE anything.
Idazmi7 1 month ago
@Idazmi7 Haha, yes I saw the parody video of the storm-trooper armor, but I'm talking about the tanks and armored walkers like AT-AT.
kvmairforce 1 month ago
@kvmairforce Standard Phasers could disintegrate a whole AT-ST in one hit. (they disentegrate when they fall over)
Idazmi7 1 month ago
@Idazmi7 yeah and a bantha will let a human ride it you kath hound!
starwarsawsomedude 1 month ago
YESS!!! YES!! IN YOUR FACE!!! STAR TREK RULES!!!
SovsBorg 1 month ago
we all hate star wars
accept this
unendlicheWeisheit 1 month ago
@unendlicheWeisheit and i doesnt have change my opinion
unendlicheWeisheit 1 month ago
@unendlicheWeisheit English??
Idazmi7 1 month ago
@Idazmi7 hey i am from germany my english is not so good
unendlicheWeisheit 1 month ago
@unendlicheWeisheit Okay. I understand.
Idazmi7 1 month ago
In actual war, they would send all ships, weapons, tech to the front lines. War has no rules. Freakin star Wars fanatic thinking only one federation ship passes. The Empire never was one for fair game, huh?
SCIFIguy64 1 month ago
Sorry,but a real war of the Frenchises would end in a fully extermination of every ship,and notice:there is a way to destroy everything,obsolet how strong the shields are...
WadeBlanchett 1 month ago
Well everyone knows the Krenim weapon ship is overpowered, I mean it's a ship that cannot be harmed by weapons, and supposedly indestructible! The ship was destroyed because Voyager has two men inside. How about something less OP, say the entire Borg collective vs the Empire, that'd be a much more even fight.
quizzisation 1 month ago
@quizzisation Annnnnnd watch as Star Wars fans claim endlessly that one Turbolaser can kill a whole cube in one shot.
StarDestroyer Net lovers will claim anything.
Idazmi7 1 month ago
@quizzisation and the empire would be overrun in about 5 minutes flat. =P
Borg cubes adapt to the ion weapons and lasers (lol, pathetic weapons) and assimilate the hell out of everything. Transwarp enables them to get anywhere in next to no time, the Empire wouldn't stand a chance.
The Force might help a little while, but when you can afford to bury every force user in a million dead borg, it really doesn't matter.
MrAzhrarn 1 month ago
@MrAzhrarn their not the same lasers of your pitful tech
the energy in then is larger that the one of the cubes could hope to handle, the cubes even adapted arent undestructable
Delta2357 1 month ago
Nice work but i like Starwars better
hilarioph 1 month ago
As i've said before Q would remove all superweapons since he said he was God in Tapestry. and if he is in the Star Trek Galaxy, he would remove all superweapons to make it a balanced fight.
Mustang84211 1 month ago
@Mustang84211 Q doesn't believe in fair games according to episode "Hide and Q", "fair is such a human concept"
marsh84722 1 month ago 12
@Mustang84211 and q is not god
Delta2357 1 month ago
LOL its 'Red' from that 70's show. They should have snuck a "foot up your ass" joke in that episode somewhere :D
thegamerman7 2 months ago
Why was the technology better in the past than it was in the future in star wars?
dondi2261 2 months ago
I would have sent in a borg cube, it would (near enough) instantly adapt to Star Wars technology and assimilate everyone.
eeblihp 2 months ago
All I have to say is,"Suncrusher"...most dominate ship in the Star Wars Universe...
incman12 2 months ago
@incman12 Suncrusher can be erase from history.
PaiSAMSEN 2 months ago
@PaiSAMSEN yeah, I would have said that but I already have a few times now and it's supposed to be obvious *shrugs*
marsh84722 2 months ago
The most disturbing thing about the two universes is the fact star wars advaces technologicaly at such a slow pace, compared to star trek which grows more like our reality where every few years it moves in leaps and bounds. Also the most powerful being in star wars is a force empowerd individual and the most powerful tech is the deathstar, while star treks most powerful beings and tech is represented by the Q continium, a example of evolution.I'd rather live where it advances and no sithvsjedi.
olddirtymongrrel 2 months ago
This is AWESOME!!!!! You need to make more!!!!!!
sciencefictiongeek14 2 months ago
to everyone reaching for the big-guns like "vader/emperor can choke them to death" and "the force blah-blah" there's only one thing to answer: Q ...! when you have to rely on a universal-force like, well the force itself, it sucks to have Q as an enemy, as he can manipulate all cosmological forces to his liking ;)
Medhiv83 2 months ago
@Medhiv83
someone needs to do a Q vs. Vader
collguyjoe99 2 months ago
@Medhiv83 not the force
if trek universe and wars universe was the same q would be created by the force
about other comments not worth awnsering
Delta2357 2 months ago
@Delta2357
the q originate from another dimension/plane which has no direct connection to the conventional universe - the "force" as of itself, or as its described by jedi & everyone else in sw-fiction, it is simply a cosmological phenomenon, that jedi/sith are capable of tapping into & using it ... no problem there for a q to just snap 2 fingers and get rid of it altogether! not, anymore than it would be harder for him to simply snap the emperor/vader/deathstar out of existence O_o
Medhiv83 2 months ago
@Medhiv83 perhaps but maybe the dead jedi as one of the force could simply destroy him
the force is unditructable q wouldnt have a chance
Delta2357 2 months ago
@Delta2357 I think Q would be immune to the Force.
terrywest111 2 months ago
@terrywest111 Aye, unfortunately Q has transcended the physical universe. A lifeform of either pure energy or perhaps simply thought itself. Using the Force probably wouldn't even tickle him. But, if he snapped his fingers and turned the Emperor into, say a slug, well... To Q all the universe was just yet another plaything...
nardigan 1 month ago
@terrywest111 and the force to Q probably, the force is kind of the life creator whether you like it or not
it cant be destroyed and if someone created a temporal shield so could the empire
Delta2357 1 month ago
@Delta2357 I think I remember something in KoTOR II that centered around the "death of the Force". I think I remember Darth Traya trying to destroy the Force by deadening areas of space to it... so there are ways to get rid of or destroy it.
terrywest111 1 month ago
@terrywest111 only if you are looking to kill yourself
to destroy the force it is to destroy all life
besides the force can grow back if you take the exile for once
Delta2357 1 month ago
@terrywest111 IIRC the Exile was "the Death in the force" which was caused by the destruction a planet its also why she was exiled. said death IIRC was expanded upon in other materials that Darth Nillus was said death that broke off from her and became basically a giant soul sucker
LinkHimora 1 month ago
WHATT????????????STAR TREK WON?????????????????
silverdolphinaquos 2 months ago
@marsh84722 still, Force choking the whole crew off the start. end of story.
TheRoblm 2 months ago
@TheRoblm assuming they can reach them, the jedi/sith would have to be at the right place at the right time to do that. That's kinda difficult when the timeline is being changed a lot wouldn't you think? We've seen in the episode that once the krenim weapon changes the timeline, everyone that made contact with them forget they did afterwards.
marsh84722 2 months ago
@idazmi7 And ISD DOES take 50+ shots for MOST weaker ships, but based on tech specifications, they're much much stronger than anything in the ST universe. plus, again, the Force. Vader or the Emperor could have choked the whole crew in the first video transmission. just sayin.
TheRoblm 2 months ago
@TheRoblm except in this scenario since the krenim weapon is protected from being phased outside of normal space, the yield of star wars weaponry is irrelevant.
marsh84722 2 months ago
@marsh84722 matters not as you dont know if the force can reach out of the continnum and ignore your last statement
Delta2357 2 months ago
@Delta2357 you hope there's someone from the force that can try to force strangle people on the krenim ship before they get erased right? They would have to kill a great many of the crew to stop the krenim. Kinda hard to even mobilize a bunch of jedi/sith together to do this when the timeline is being changed a lot. If this is all you have, star trek wins.
marsh84722 2 months ago
@marsh84722 im not hoping
i know
if it was defeated in trek universe it can be defeated in wars as well
but as ive said skywalker alone could just tell then to leave the ship, get into it, travel to trek galaxy and destroy everyone, or just get a x-wing after deafeating the kremilim and destroying everything
Delta2357 2 months ago
@marsh84722 as ive said luke can creat mass illusions
pay attention to my other comments before you say anything
Delta2357 2 months ago
@Delta2357 if you're referring to the Jedi Mind tricks, the Krenim scientists onboard would probably not be weak-minded enough to be affected by them. Even if they could be, existing outside of space-time would probably protect them from such things as it does from conventional weapons.
marsh84722 2 months ago
@marsh84722 but thats the thing
its not a conventional weapon, its the force
Delta2357 2 months ago
@Delta2357 it's not exactly the same thing but maybe if you can provide an example of a Jedi mind trick being performed by Jedi in normal space to someone in hyperspace it could be considered plausible. Krenim are not weak-minded though, so there's still a problem there.
marsh84722 2 months ago
@marsh84722 even in hyperspace vader could use his force choking to kill officer while in normal space
lukes illusions can still weakly affect strongminded maybe enough time to then clear the ship
and jacen could get the state of oness with the force being able to do virtually anything
Delta2357 2 months ago
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@Delta2357 "lukes illusions can still weakly affect strongminded maybe enough time to then clear the ship"
When?
Idazmi7 2 months ago
@marsh84722 let me ask
how was that ship defeated in trek?
Delta2357 2 months ago
@Delta2357 the krenim beamed tom and chakota onboard for study, got help from a defecting crew member to deactivate the temporal core to make the ship vulnerable to conventional weapons and then voyager collides with the krenim weapon destroying it.
marsh84722 2 months ago
@marsh84722 there is one awnser
wouldnt they want to study a force user?
Delta2357 2 months ago
@Delta2357 they only wanted to study tom and chakotay because of the temporal shielding that voyager created that incidentally protected them against the weapon interfering with their plans.
marsh84722 2 months ago
in SW universe? yes
vs the power of trek ships? a couple
Delta2357 2 months ago
I love how that piece o shit godmodded its way through the whole damn video! xD
Guitarro19 2 months ago
that would depend in what kind of theory of everything you use
im meant in the same dimension, cosmos, but in another universe
but i cant prove it anymore as my source went missing
Delta2357 2 months ago
@Delta2357 The Krenim could just go there, anyway.
Idazmi7 2 months ago in playlist Favorite videos
@Idazmi7 or maybe make the ship in time and space correctly
then one shot from an ISD and its over
Delta2357 2 months ago
@Delta2357 One, you commentis almist unreadable. 2 ISD's aren't that powerful.It takes 50+ shots from an ISD to kill a weaker ship.
Idazmi7 2 months ago
@Delta2357 And the ship would still pwn everything in either universe.
Idazmi7 2 months ago
@Idazmi7 and the force might be able to crack it in half for all we know
besides luke skywalker was able to creat mass illusions, so he could just make everyone in the ship want to get out...
Delta2357 2 months ago
star trek is so f**king gay
MegaPAIN44 2 months ago
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star wars is better
MegaPAIN44 2 months ago
The Time Ship's greatest weakness is it's speed. It's FTL capability is low even in Star Trek. In Star Wars, where the galaxy can be crossed in mere days, it would take an age and a half to get anywhere.
gatedude07 2 months ago
@gatedude07 maybe :) I know seven of nine said the ship cannot exceed warp 5 but after they erased the Garenor homeworld they were able to reach voyager 20 light years away in a minute or two. It took voyager 3 weeks to travel that far in the episode.
marsh84722 2 months ago
@gatedude07 hours my friend
travel the galaxy in hours, about ten or eleven
Delta2357 2 months ago
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO THEY GOT PORKINS /CRY
MultiBigJC 2 months ago
All I could think at about the 2 minute mark was. "Oh shit, Q hanging out with Palpatine...more ideas for mischeif"
KaneinEncanto 3 months ago
marsh84722 You should make this a response to watch?v=k4mfkw9gV5k
Henry Walsh's Star Wars vs Star Trek video.
Idazmi7 4 months ago
@Idazmi7 haha I did already with my old account marsh8472 before it got deleted by youtube. If you check the older comments on that video you'd probably see me arguing with that guy. Anyway, when I did post this video as a response to his video he deleted it off his channel and blocked me. No bias there right? :)
marsh84722 4 months ago
@marsh84722 riiiiiiggghhht. XD
Idazmi7 4 months ago
@marsh84722 The guy was right if you cant handle the fact that Star wars would win its your problem (Also? Fan of both series. I just realize that Star wars tech is a lot more powerful as the galaxy has been at war for thousands of years (KOTOR 1 was 3000 years before the first Galactic Empire.) and thus has had a hell of more time to get the art of there battle craft right.)
LinkHimora 2 months ago
@LinkHimora except star wars has no time travel technology. This krenim ship exists outside of space-time, immune to conventional weapons, and can change history at will.
marsh84722 2 months ago
@marsh84722 Actualy it is possible. There are quite a few tales of it happening in Star Wars canon one example would be a guy who went from 5000 BBY to 40 something ABY
Look it up on Wookieepedia
LinkHimora 2 months ago
@LinkHimora just did. I'm pretty sure that's a spatial time dilation example. That's not really time travel, it's just time on the ship moving slower for them from an outsider's point of view. It's very similar to cryostasis.
marsh84722 2 months ago
@marsh84722 let me guess that ship was either lost forever or destroyed at the end of the episode?
then they wont be able to use it
and SW weapons are alll more powerful than conventional trek weapons so...
Delta2357 2 months ago
@Delta2357 they episode insinuates that the ship may be constructed again. All ships get destroyed eventually. That's just an excuse to avoid a conflict with a tech ship :) The crew on the ship do not age either so they have unlimited time to reach any planet they wish to erase from history.
marsh84722 2 months ago
@marsh84722 think like that the
star wars is set in a past so far and in a place so far away that numbers cant count, and we know by a fact that the far far way galaxy its not even in our universe therefor by the time the federation and humans for once are created they would be so imensivily powerful that they could do much more than that of the ship, that its if they didnt all ascend to a state as great as Q or superior giving the ammount of time
Delta2357 2 months ago
@Delta2357 how do we know their galaxy isn't in our universe? :-o For the purposes of this versus scenario, Q brought the krenim timeship back in time and to the Star Wars Galaxy.
marsh84722 2 months ago
@marsh84722 its universe is older than ours by canon at the batlle of yavin that happen a long time ago, so cant be the same universe
Delta2357 2 months ago
@Delta2357 Its history is older than ours but different time doesn't prove different universe. They could be in different galaxies in the same universe, the cosmos.
marsh84722 2 months ago
@marsh84722 and as we are all considering facts from both universes maybe the force can simple negate the affects of the time bean, or vader can simple kill all onboard or crush the ship as the force can negate shields maybe ca negate the affects of the time displacement
Delta2357 2 months ago
@Delta2357 The krenim ship does exist outside of space time, that should protect them. There were a few Sith that could create force storms which could maybe penetrate outside of normal space. I think the emperor was capable of doing this after he was resurrected in the expanded universe. Though he wasn't very good at controlling them. He ended up being killed again by his own force storm.
marsh84722 2 months ago
@marsh84722 thats all im saying, there is no way to know for sure
im not saying that wars would win, im saying that its possible for both sides
Delta2357 2 months ago
@Delta2357 Technically no. The ship itself was wiped out of history by Janeway ramming her ship into it. When it exploded, the timeline was reset to a point before the ship was even built.
The end scene showed the captain/builder of the ship still tinkering with the specs on a data pad. He gets up to enjoy time with his wife, whose loss caused him to use his weapon in the first place. So the episode is not really clear on whether or not the Krenim built it anyway. They probably did.
terrywest111 2 months ago
@LinkHimora Yeah, but you're just thinking about the Federation and other such powers. Star Trek has shown that there were powerful empires in the Galaxy LONG before the Federation and other contemporary empires. The T'KON Empire, or the Preservers are a few examples.
terrywest111 2 months ago
@terrywest111 Yeah but the Star Wars verse has had Hyperdrive capability for 50,000 years IIRC, way longer then the majority of Treks species and resent tech upgrades from after the federation Also please remember anything from Voager isn't canon
LinkHimora 2 months ago
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@LinkHimora Star Destroyers have 60 turbo-"lasers", which are NOT rapid-fire. (SW:ANH) They carry 72 sublight fighters, and 5000 troops. Star Destroyers are not ray-shielded, only Star Dreadnaughts. They are made of Durasteel, which is only 1/3 neutronium, (SW:ACS) not enough to deflect phasers. They can bombard localized planetary targets, but prefer invasion.
The smallest Star Trek ships are therfore equivalent to Star Dreadnaughts.
Idazmi7 2 months ago
@LinkHimora Unfortunately, Voyager is canon.
Idazmi7 2 months ago
@Idazmi7 IIRC one of the creaters disavowed the whole thing
LinkHimora 1 month ago
@LinkHimora Since 2011, all shown Star Trek is canon.
Idazmi7 1 month ago