Bob is talking abour 85km/h wind ? That is 9 Beaufort ! With my experience of 26 years in sea-kayaking I would not start a trip on open water, race or no race.
I don't know why he emphasized PFDs since they died of hypothermia and not being unable to swim from what I gather... Regaurdless, I'd have brought a PFD and a wetsuit designed for the temperature of that water...
poorly equiped , and probably not as skilled and experienced in high seas as we are led to believe..... the deaths are a terrible tradgedy, but being fit, and being equiped and experienced ane very different. spray deck, pfd's, dry suit, a solid eskimo roll = no one dead
God blessed them... but there is not excuse for such chain of mistakes -No pfd, or apropriate suit, too much seld confidence, lack of support to such trip in such conditions, ...- , and mostly lack of common sense to carry on regardless the wind & sea conditions. Hypotermia kills without mercy.
I will be accused of being harsh/overcritical/coldhearted etc but if you are stupid enough to paddle without a bouyancy aid and spray deck then you deserve whats coming to you.
1st wear appropriate gear for conditions.
2nd Less than 3 should never be
3rd If in doubt, leave it out.
4th Always prepare for the weather.
5th everyone in a group should be able to self rescue.
Its that simple.
Recklessness because of enthusiam is not an excuse.
@ntilley88 does it day they did not have decks, what were they doing without wet suits, total risk assessment fail. It does not just happen to anybody it happens to stupid people. What an unnecessary loss of life.
no matter how keen you are,or enthusiastic,if the conditions deteriote then use common sense, the things you want to achieve will still be there to do tomorrow - YOU MAY NOT!
maybe age and cunning has finally triumphed over youth and stupidity,at least in my case. I have reached the point where I feel naked in a boat without a PFD.
I don't always put the spray deck on,but I most certainly always have a PFD on me.
I've experienced hypothermia in a kayaking incident some years ago off the west coast of Ireland during february.
The difference is having the right gear on you...not on your boat. PFD, VHF radio and full survival suit....this makes the difference to whether you die or not.
7 foot swell? Not enough fetch there to generate waves that high and there is never any swell in Howe Sound. There is no need to lie about the waves height. The wind was strong and the water cold. That's all. That's enough to make it tough.
Regardless, they fucked up the rescue big time because they probably underestimated their ordeal (cold water) in the 1st few minutes (over confidence). 2 kayaks rafted together would have allowed the swimmers to safely climb on.
7 foot seas ( hMMM OK ) 84 KM winds. no way that should have happened.
Some years ago we developed standards for adventure races in NL. The kayak event happens FIRST. PFD's are worn along with at least minimal thermal gear, a ratio of 1 rescue asset to 4 paddlers is maintained.
Conditions approaching CRC level 2 stop the race.
For training your safety is your concern and the law dictates PFD's
I kayak and I do Triathlons, I know the pull that you get to go out and do this kind of stuff. My heart goes out to them. They died doing the sport they loved. However in seas like that to not wear PFD's is negligent.
Hmmm, I think maybe the footage of the kayak without spray decks was FILE FOOTAGE. Pretty sure they had them on during the storm... Stickwood, have you ever rolled a double kayak, in huge swells, against 80km winds? Kudos if you have. Get a clue... Shit happens-at least they weren't sitting on a couch somewhere developing heart desease.
"how can we get into trouble like this?" and no lifejackets. Well that is extreme...... Like skyjumping without a parachute.
teb0atoz 1 month ago
Bob is talking abour 85km/h wind ? That is 9 Beaufort ! With my experience of 26 years in sea-kayaking I would not start a trip on open water, race or no race.
zonzeven 8 months ago
dont wear the right gear, pay the price, an why wuld they go out in them conditions with out the right gear,
tomthemanpom 11 months ago
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Alexmcgruer3 1 year ago
I don't know why he emphasized PFDs since they died of hypothermia and not being unable to swim from what I gather... Regaurdless, I'd have brought a PFD and a wetsuit designed for the temperature of that water...
gardogg65 1 year ago
poorly equiped , and probably not as skilled and experienced in high seas as we are led to believe..... the deaths are a terrible tradgedy, but being fit, and being equiped and experienced ane very different. spray deck, pfd's, dry suit, a solid eskimo roll = no one dead
electriclee1 2 years ago
Arrogance led to their deaths. Not very different from some recent deaths on Mt. Hood. Very experienced, great shape. Now they're dead.
cfware 2 years ago
God blessed them... but there is not excuse for such chain of mistakes -No pfd, or apropriate suit, too much seld confidence, lack of support to such trip in such conditions, ...- , and mostly lack of common sense to carry on regardless the wind & sea conditions. Hypotermia kills without mercy.
Capitanjamescook 2 years ago
@ 1:18 spray deck? PFD's?
I will be accused of being harsh/overcritical/coldhearted etc but if you are stupid enough to paddle without a bouyancy aid and spray deck then you deserve whats coming to you.
1st wear appropriate gear for conditions.
2nd Less than 3 should never be
3rd If in doubt, leave it out.
4th Always prepare for the weather.
5th everyone in a group should be able to self rescue.
Its that simple.
Recklessness because of enthusiam is not an excuse.
ntilley88 2 years ago 9
@ntilley88 agreed
kaiieeyor 2 years ago
@ntilley88 does it day they did not have decks, what were they doing without wet suits, total risk assessment fail. It does not just happen to anybody it happens to stupid people. What an unnecessary loss of life.
donohue100 1 year ago
no matter how keen you are,or enthusiastic,if the conditions deteriote then use common sense, the things you want to achieve will still be there to do tomorrow - YOU MAY NOT!
GBPaddling 2 years ago
fucking idots! thats all I got to say, sorry you died but if you were not so dumb you would still be here..... RIP
pitchandmiss 2 years ago
spray decks???
alexhydea 2 years ago
maybe age and cunning has finally triumphed over youth and stupidity,at least in my case. I have reached the point where I feel naked in a boat without a PFD.
I don't always put the spray deck on,but I most certainly always have a PFD on me.
chuacabra 2 years ago
pure stupidity
donohue100 2 years ago
thats it no one was wearing a life jacket and probley no dry suit
roosterak 2 years ago
I've experienced hypothermia in a kayaking incident some years ago off the west coast of Ireland during february.
The difference is having the right gear on you...not on your boat. PFD, VHF radio and full survival suit....this makes the difference to whether you die or not.
God love them....RIP.
brianmacmahuna 2 years ago
7 foot swell? Not enough fetch there to generate waves that high and there is never any swell in Howe Sound. There is no need to lie about the waves height. The wind was strong and the water cold. That's all. That's enough to make it tough.
Regardless, they fucked up the rescue big time because they probably underestimated their ordeal (cold water) in the 1st few minutes (over confidence). 2 kayaks rafted together would have allowed the swimmers to safely climb on.
zerascal3 3 years ago 2
I suspect they were wearing spray decks.
7 foot seas ( hMMM OK ) 84 KM winds. no way that should have happened.
Some years ago we developed standards for adventure races in NL. The kayak event happens FIRST. PFD's are worn along with at least minimal thermal gear, a ratio of 1 rescue asset to 4 paddlers is maintained.
Conditions approaching CRC level 2 stop the race.
For training your safety is your concern and the law dictates PFD's
AlexMcGruer 3 years ago
I kayak and I do Triathlons, I know the pull that you get to go out and do this kind of stuff. My heart goes out to them. They died doing the sport they loved. However in seas like that to not wear PFD's is negligent.
oxman0313 3 years ago
You gotta wear you PFD's no matter how experienced you are! Very sad.
Kflash3782 3 years ago
Hmmm, I think maybe the footage of the kayak without spray decks was FILE FOOTAGE. Pretty sure they had them on during the storm... Stickwood, have you ever rolled a double kayak, in huge swells, against 80km winds? Kudos if you have. Get a clue... Shit happens-at least they weren't sitting on a couch somewhere developing heart desease.
jdykstra71 3 years ago 5
I agree, if they want to take it that seriously, then learn to roll and wear spray decks, they would probably still be here!
That's why it's called the Eskimo Roll, to get you out of the cold water quickly!
Stickwood1 3 years ago
wow, they were not even using spray decks. Not the smartest chaps, to bad.
r3dw00ds 4 years ago