Who is Jesus Christ? In the light of the Bible and the Qur'an ( 8 of 8 )

[Sanctum85]

since Islam cannot historically trace their beliefs back to the beginning they make up conversations with the prophets. This is poor argumentation. It's history my friends, the hebrew religion, YHWH's religion is been from the beginning and Christianity is the fulfillment of its prophecies in Jesus.

[prodigalson56]

Read The Bible Muslims, Jesus very definitely said many times that He is one with God. I think you need to think very seriously about who Jesus Christ is, as your eternal destiny rests upon it.

[mafiadondogg]

@prodigalson56 correction brother ,jesus never claimed to be god ,paul is the one who claimed jesus is god ,if it wasnt for him ,no one would believe that jesus is god in the first place ,imagine this ,paul changed the 10 commandments ,go and read the bible and see what jesus said about the 10 commandments,so u saying that all the teachings of jesus was for nothing?? all the teachings of moses was for nothing?? but paul is right?

[prodigalson56]

•Jesus told the Jews, "I and the Father are one." (Jn 10:24-38)

•Jesus told the disciples, "You call me 'Teacher' and 'Lord,' and rightly so, for that is what I am." (Jn 13:13)

•Jesus forgave sins, which only God had the authority to do (Mk 2:5-11, Lk 5:20-24)

•Jesus said that he had seen Abraham and that he is eternal: "'I tell you the truth,' Jesus answered, 'before Abraham was born, I am!'" (Jn 8:57-58)

•Jesus said that he had seen God, which no one else could do (Jn

[prodigalson56]

@mafiadondogg Paul did not change the 10 commandments at all, that is certainly not true my friend. Paul was a disciple of Jesus Christ, He not change the gospel of Christ. You know the difference between Islam and true Christianity? It is that Islam is man trying to reach God by his or hers good works and Christianity is God reaching out to mankind, saying even though you're no good and full of sin... I am prepared to pardon you and forgive you.

[prodigalson56]

@mafiadondogg The law given by God though Moses happened because Jesus Christ hadn't shed His blood yet so man was responsible for making an atonement through the shedding of a lambs blood (which is what Christ is, the lamb of God).

Also the reason the children of Israel had to follow the priestly law is that they were the line by which Christ would come and God used this to say that you cannot follow the law, to break one is to break all of these commandments... is to break all of them.

[prodigalson56]

@mafiadondogg I think you need to read the scriptures in their true context and read commentaries on both sides of this arguement... because both will have bias towards their belief system. Try to keep an open mind my friend, I would encourage you to read Isaiah 53, thats the passage that convinced me that Jesus is the Christ.

[prodigalson56]

@mafiadondogg 15He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? 16And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. 18And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

[prodigalson56]

@prodigalson56 19And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. 20Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.

[prodigalson56]

@prodigalson56 Matthew 16:13-20 (King James Version)

[prodigalson56]

@mafiadondogg I hope that I answered most if not all of your questions. God bless, I pray that God guides you to the truth.

[mafiadondogg]

@prodigalson56 uhhhhm non of those verses u gave me proves jesus(pbuh) is god ,secondly if u read the 10 comandments u will see that paul took it to microsoft word and edited the hell outta it.. jesus said that he didnt come to change the laws of moses ,so who gave paul that authority if jesus didnt have it.. we can even prove from the bible that the crucifixion didnt take place ,jesus did not die ,so that means he was not crucified ,check the zakir naik debate was jesus crucified

[mafiadondogg]

@prodigalson56 ok lets get this strate ,u believe that god cant just forgive sins ,he had to be crucified to forgive ?? now do u think that makes sense ? jesus never ever claimed to be an incarnate of god ,he would have definitly told people that if he was, as a matter of fact imagine this ,paul didnt exist ,u just read the teachings of jesus would people still believe that hes god? think about it that way

[mafiadondogg]

what about moses than ,what if paul came and said that moses was god instead of jesus ,and trust me moses has much better reasons to match that,god even told him that he is the god of those people..that was his status ,but that still doesnt make him the all mighty god ,moses did miracles with only the permission of god and jesus too, so trust me ,u better pray that paul is right oe else u in big trouble coz u going against the teachings of christ

[mafiadondogg]

so look at this who would u rather believe 3 people with the same message which is jesus ,moses and muhammad PBUT ,or would u rather believe paul who claims that jesus is god ?? think about it

[prodigalson56]

@mafiadondogg Its not about who I'd rather believe, its about what the scriptures say and following that... The message of Jesus Christ and Paul is the same gospel, it is Muhammad that preaches a different message, a message that contradicts the message of Christ.

[mafiadondogg]

@prodigalson56 it does not contradict the message of christ ,it makes christ look right and paul makes him look like a person who was scared ,he was not scared of this world ,if he was god he would have said i am the lord your god ,u must worship me ,he would have said that ,but non of the disciples worshipd christ, he said he is a prophet and he is the christ ,paul says he is god ,muhammad(pbuh) said he is the messiah and prophet,so who is contradicting jesus(pbuh)

[mohdjamlimustafa]

@prodigalson56 Muhammad preaches different message from the bible because the bibles contradict each other.Which one is the true one. If it is the genuine one it would not have contradict the Quran.Instead the Quran will compliment it.

[prodigalson56]

@mohdjamlimustafa No, you are wrong. The Bible does not contradict itself, if you read The Bible... the coming of Jesus is told by prohecy, even down to the way Jesus would die. The New Testament acounts differ because they are the testimony of four of Jesus' disciples rather than The Q'uran which is the testimony of one man; ie Muhammad (so of course the New Testament accounts differ, if you ask four witnesses in a court case you will hear the same content but told in a different light).

[mohdjamlimustafa]

@prodigalson56 You say the new testament is the testimony of the 4 didiples.But the christian preachers say they are the word of god..Now you are contradicting your preachers.The Quran is not about any testimony.It is just the word of god revealed through one man.So is the Injil but the disiples adulterated it.That is why it has so many versions.If the Injil was written during the time of Jesus the the content would not have contradicted the Quran.

[prodigalson56]

@mohdjamlimustafa It is both, because it is the inspired word of God. I was attempting to view The Bible and The Q'uran in light of testimony... The Bible holds more credibility because it is the testimony of many people, all spread out geographically, whereas The Q'uran is the testimony of Muhammad; he is the one related The Q'uran so it is his testimony, I disagree with you on this point. Therefore it stands to reason that The Bible is more reliable.

[prodigalson56]

@mohdjamlimustafa No no no, that is absolutely not true, there are many translations of The Bible because of language, none of the meaning has been lost. In all 4 gospels, the same thing happens, Jesus dies for the sin of the world and rises again, it is only in the small details. This can be explained from the hebrew tradition of relating a story; ie in the case of the lepers, many are mentioned in the first account and one is mentioned in the second account, maybe because in both accounts -

[prodigalson56]

@mohdjamlimustafa only one came back to Jesus to express his graditude, there are many cases of this... however this does not occur in the big cases. Also many of the disciples who walked were with Jesus were still alive when the book of acts was recorded, don't you think they would have had something to say about lies written down. What are you basing your point of view on??? Real testimony or Muhammad's theory about what happened, these are real eye witness accounts in The Bible and hold -

[prodigalson56]

@mohdjamlimustafa greater crediability than The Q'uran. Muhammad plaguarised The Q'uran from the jews, christians and zorasterians... the three people he traded with, you even enter in to islam in the same manner as you do with zorasterianism, so I don't believe it to be from God. Why doesn't The Q'uran follow any kind of pattern? Why so many abrogations? Why is it like every other man made religion? If it is from God, sorry my friend but I don't believe it is.

[prodigalson56]

@mohdjamlimustafa Muhammad also preaches a different message to The Bible because he is a false prophet , think about it... how many angels hang out in dark caves??? How many of the other prophets had suicidal thoughts? And which other prophets led a sinful life? Some of the prophets sinned but did not claim

to be sinless, his life tells a different story.

[kudzy11]

'...The world did not know God through its own wisdom...''

So how can he try and tell people at the end to '' use your own logic and reasoning''? LOL

it is that way of thinking that has lead away from the One true God!! if ya do that ,then you ignore what is already in front of you because ya cant understand it or accept it in your heart that God actually HAS done things His way!! Even if we dont fully get it, it was stated and prophsised in the Old testament of the Bible before the quraan!!

[kudzy11]

All prophets were sinless??! were they?? im sure Abraham disobeyed God?? Adam disobeyed God and so sin was born...... Hmmm holes in the prosecution

[dtalejana]

"disobedience does not mean SIN" ?

how is that?

You muslims explain.

[FilistemoRules]

Christians always win! it's the power of Christ!

[pillgrimz]

lol are you serious?? you must not know Ahmed deedat, Br Imran,Shabir Ally.theres even younsters like sami zataari who is 21 and debates christian scholers and wins. you are truely blind.

[FilistemoRules]

OMG..LLOLLLL. I cannot stop laughing..LLOLLL. i HAVE had hundreds od debates with islamic scholars, normal muslims, smart-ass muslims and Ia have beated them all easilly. FUnny enough they all claimed victory after taking the greatest beating of their lifes! islam distorts reality and the brain of normal people into complete retards-muz LLOLLL

[pillgrimz]

what ever makes you feel better pal

[basit32000]

u r the biggest retard,and a lier,sometime u claim to b a muslim who is converted now and sometime u r a paulian....but above all u r a moron...

[FilistemoRules]

i HAVE never ever claimed to be a muslim. I never was, am not and will never ever become a muslim retard jihadist gay-loving pedophile mass-murdering cunt like you! FUCK SHITZLAM!!

[basit32000]

u r blind and deaf....

[FilistemoRules]

I am not blind, nor , blind, nor deaf(all great muslim atributes and "virtues, mixed with islamofascist blind stupidity, irrationaloty and denial of even elementary moral values and facts.FUCK SHITZLAM!

[basit32000]

ur language gives ur identity,that u have have evolved from filth,all the bad words u r using for islam,and muslims in real sense show ur frustration,u show ur loving people but i dont see even a single word of love in ur comments..u just say by words only u follow jesus but in real sense u follow hatered and paul...

[FilistemoRules]

Why should I give Love to the most hate-filled abusing beasts of all times- muslims-whose very existence is an afront and insult towards God?Paul never hated no one but as myself, is dispizes satanism and lies of all kin ds, shapes and sizes, from which shitzlam is on top of the list! FUCK SHITZLAM!

[FilistemoRules]

Shitzlam calls kuffar-infidels. a very hate-filled and demeaning insult regarding all nonj-muslims. so in terms of hatred shitzlam and muhamamd are the champions. FUCK SHITXLAM!

[basit32000]

at last u have accepted u follow paul not jesus, because jesus said if some one slaps u on one cheek present him another,and win hatered by love but shame on u ,u propagate hatered and abuses,may b u evolved from gutter and filth or may b u have some other family related problem.....never mind ur filthy mind and ur pornobible by paul will make u worst creep.....

[FilistemoRules]

I don't hate any one, specially retard cunts like muslims who are all forced to stay in shitzlam. what I absolutely hate and indeed dispize is islam, not the muslims. if you don't follow paul then you can never follow christ! RETARD!

[basit32000]

now i definitly understand u r the biggest moron...following paul doesnot mean u r following christ..it means u r following pauls pagen sungod and pornographic bible,which has made u a biggest retard of incest loving society....ur paul and u are bloody shits and retarded cunts....so worship paul and ur cunty sun god....

[merolleiro]

Jesus does barrel rolls

[zeroshift916]

that was a great talk. i hope they have another one soon.

[yuslan]

god reveal one god in three person...god reveal or paul?