dont swear on "slavic" cuz we beat your ass many times, and many more times helped you against the arabs. without slavs now you will talk in turkish or arabic.
so who is right about 20% of the population of FYROM + Nationalist diaspora, or the rest of the entire world? Is that the example of the "global conspiracy" against the Macedonian people, like the "global conspiracy" against the North Korean people? Or is this whole process of Antiquisation an example of government propaganda perhaps? Which is more likely?
if fyromians cannot be macedonians then there is a big problem. they can't be called slavs. because slav = slave. that is the truth from history. and they cannot accept that. but they have to some time. they will.
In Rome there is 4 ancient maps. Clearly states Macedonia no mention of Greece as it didn't exist. Greeks want our name because we have a long history and their a little confused about their own.
Krste Misirkov)“We are Bulgarians, more Bulgarians than the Bulgarians in Bulgaria themselves.”[...]‘And, anyway, what sort of new Macedonian nation can this be when we and our fathers and grandfathers and great-grandfathers have always been called Bulgarians?"
Greeks should go learn about there history before trying to teach others about there own. Ps start with your national flag & u also might find interesting if you do the reserch will show you that the majority of Greeks are actually Albanians assimulated into believing they are hellens.
Kiro Gligorov:'We are Slavs who came to this area in the sixth century (AD) we are not descendants of the ancient Macedonians.We are Macedonians but we are Slav Macedonians. That's who we are! We have no connection to Alexander the Greek and his Macedonia.A man who had several assassination attempts made against him to keep him silent by Skopian extremists, died at age 94,a sad day for a man that knew the truth, sadly the Fyromians keep getting fed propoganda by Gruevski..from scandinavia!
ok!! your name is fyromians or peones.Ancient peones you was when we was as we are now Macedonians,so peones,... in greek "peos" is the Dick.. and i think..that for you state-village the right name is peonia or peograd or peos direkt.!have a nice dreaming Peomians.
@momcemk :QUICK LESSON TO YOU ILLITERATE BULGARIAN MULE...
Ιn Greek or ancient Greek or real Macedonian - ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΑ
Ιn Bulgarian - МАКЕДОНИЯ
In fyrom - МАКЕДОНИЈА
So fuck you and go to hell.
You are a slav just as Kiro Gligorov and Lubco Georgievski (former prime ministers of Fyrom) said in the past..Makedonia is Greece and the name is directly related to the Greeks.
History is history and no propaganda will or can change it.
Instead of being "Real Nobodies" better being some "Fake Someone". Instead of beginning now to build up some worth history, no, they just want to steal it from the greeks who suffered and fought through the centuries and millenniums to achieve what they did.
We live in a time of traitors and parasites and they don't want to miss their chance. However, at the end they will get what they deserve, to be forgotten in the sewer of history.
In other words, they will have to "Fake" themselves.
I hope FYROM VANISHES then we will be called MACEDONIA !!! EAGEAN MACEDONIA(51%)was taken in 1912-1913 and was PARTITIOND to Greece. SUN of VERGINA = MACEDONIAN EAST INDIAN COMPANY(BRIT.1685) =GREEK flag ---------LOOK IT UP---------- AND WHY DO YOU COPY THE MACEDONIAN FLAG AND CHANGE IT BLUE WHEN IT'S RED AND YELLOW. can't wait til 2013 !!!
@Macedonia1ful WTF are you talking about? Untill 2013 you will be vanished little bug, parasite of this Earth!Your economy stands due to Hellenic factories,banks and enterprises,and if they decide to leave your miserable shithole,you will start eating your balls!!!As for this fake flag it's obvious to anyone that it's a product of political propaganda by our neighboring "friends"!You are Monkeydonians and nothing else! Now go to Louvre Museum to LΕΑRN about ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΑ,..ΜΑΛΑΚΑ!!!
Well Slavs in Macedonia are not Macedonians , they crating fake identity and fake history !! Soon or later, there is not going to exist even a FYROM. I feel sorry for people of FYROM that are cheated . If Tito would be a live would tell a truth!!!!
I need to be rich.I need to be rich.I need to be rich.SHUT UP AND SWIM.Look the hole in your panties and your terrible lives.Macedonia was,is and will be forever GREEK,and Macedonians were,are and will be forever GREEKS.You haven't ant relation with this,and finally accept your real identity and inheritance although is hard to say, "GYPSIES".
noone bulgarian or fyromian or albanian can claim himself as a macedonian historically,history of macedonia is just one part of greek history and the most important.alexander united all greeks and today we speak about greece.macedonia is greek like sparta crete thesally thrace ipirus athens etc.fyrom cant handle this.this is to bad because one day soon slavs of fyrom will understand their mistake and feel embarassed with theirselves.eu steal our money and fyrom steal our history...
The Albanians have more rights to those Vardar lands anyhow they were their and were part of Alexanders armies,Alexanders fav book was the iliad,
No reference were made on Vardar Mace during the occupation of the Ottoman turks ,being a country,plus I have references that the Vardaskans were mates with the Bulgarians and Nazis
ΑΠΟΛΛΩΝΙΑ (APOLLONIA-region of ANCIENT MAKEDONIA) ΠΕΛΛΑ (CAPITAL OF ANCIENT MAKEDONIA) ΒΕΡΓΙΝΑ (VERGINA-the first CAPITAL of ANCIENT MAKEDONIA) = MAKEDONIC CITY NAMES.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO US HOW YOU BELIEVE THAT YOU COME FROM ANCIENT MAKEDONIANS,WHEN YOUR SURNAMES ARE PETROVSKI,PERIC,GRUEFSKI,GETCH EVSKY??? "
I know all that is truth and all that is made up history..
Do you know that you speak english?
Do you know that the euros your country borrows are written and stamped english?
Do you know that if the sea level rises and drowns you all England can claim your land with the same claim for ownership as you imply?
Do you know when Greece emerges in the history? (1885-King George of GreecePrince of Denmark) your country is a artificial creation of the Great Powers just to keep off the Turks
The river of Vardar which emerges from north of Macedonia and flows through out Macedonia to the Aegean sea as it enters Greece is called river of Axios but the wind which flows against the river as it enter the sea is called Vardarija by the greeksand macedonians that live in greek part of macedonia:))) you forgot to change this as well as you changed everything in the last century starting from toponims ending with gravestones, you clever little greek rascals:))) 1913-2013
This is a perfect video. Million of bravos. But now Vardarska (Fyrom) have the Nato and European Union forces to help them so later they could use them.
If they (Skopje) get a name and from a meaningless nation become "Macedonians" then their land could be used and get more money when sold! LEARN FROM THE GREEK DEBT SOMETHING FOOL VARDARSKAN GUYS!
@greek2005 Check your greek history books before 1991 and after, before 1991 you were naming us Macedonia in your now after the fall of Yugoslavia you call as FYR Macedonia, your pussy politics and history is at least ridicoulous
@TheLegion82 It was only the book of geography of junior school which was printed in the '80s and was used till YOUR country (Yugoslavia) was broken. Books before the '80s was calling your region as Vardarska. We know that your land 2000 ago was Greek-Macedonian but we never asked it back. Cause the Slavic took over your land after the Ottoman. See you've changed so many names and identities...but the identity of Macedonians is the one you want cause nobody would recognize a Vardaskan of course!
@greek2005 What r u talking, the name greece didnt exist till 1865..Until England, France and Russia gave you a Danish prince to rule over you you were never a state in history..maybe under the Turkish rule you were Ottoman province of Yunanistan ..Macedonia and Macedonians however have a history of kings,starting Karanus 808-778 BC, ending with Perseus 179-167 BC, under Turkish rule of the Balkans till the desamibiation of Macedonia in 1913 was whole with a Macedonian governor, the king Marko.
@TheLegion82 Of course the western european nations would give us a new name cause "Hellas" our real and first name had to be erased...
You know what i mean. Just replace the name Greece with Hellas in my sentences if that's your problem.
If Ottoman and Slavics took over our land (you admin the greek/hellenic genocide by you barbarians) then your land was taken over. I've said that too. That you land was in the byzantine empire (greek) then Ottoman empire (turks) and then Slavic (Yugo).So?
@TheLegion82 An other Fyromian "traitor" for telling the truth? "The whole story about Ancient Macedonia sounds undoubtedly very nice. However, there is a great problem, a huge hole of about 2,000 years during which we have neither oral nor written tradition, nor a single scientific argument" - former Prime Minister Ljubco Georgievski, FOCUS News, 31 March 2008
Hellass-dont bother to teach Macedonian history, the true historians know it well cause it goes well before Christ was born on this world;)
Instead, learn you own history, type George I, Danish prince on wikipedia and learn how old "greek" history is...i'll tell you if its too difficult for your thick skull-greece is invented in 1886 by UK, France and Russia and again in 1913 by these great powers you, Bulgaria, Albania and Serbia stole Eagean and Pirin Macedonia ...now cry me a river
@TheLegion82 Hey Faggot. Shut ur fuckin dirty mouth u piece of shit. YOU go learn History u ignorant fuck. Alexander the Great was 100% GREEK. "Alexander"= "Alexo"= Protector, "Andros"= Man - "Macedonia"= "Makednos" = Tall Ones, Highlanders. ALL GREEK words. You ugly Slavic Skopjan Bulgarian Vardarska Bananovina Monkeydonians entered the Balkans 1000 years after Alexander Ruled the GREEK city-state of Macedonia.. You have absolutely NO relation with the REAL GREEK Macedonia.
@TheLegion82 The Sun of Vergina, which u tried to STEAL and put on ur flag, is a 100% GREEK symbol. The 12 of the 16 Rays represent the 12 Greek Gods of Olympus and the other 4 represent the 4 Elements (Earth, Fire, Wind, Water) You thieves try to steal MY History cause u're experiencing an Identity Crisis LOLLL hahaha who the fuck r u kidding.. all u're currently achieving is TOTALLY EMBARRASSING yourselves with ur propaganda. Now OUST uncivilized nation. Run along now Monkeys go climb a tree.
@broadman69 you know shit mate,that simbol is called The sun of Kutlesh before you started changing toponims and gravestones after dismembering Aegean Macedonia in 1913 by Bucharest threaty and changing the name Kutlesh to Vergina,greek gods and 4 elements xD dont dare teach me history as you dont even know your own..Aegean Macedonia is 2/3 of the original Macedonia, there is also Pirin Macedonia and Vardar Macedonia and although they are dismembered there are still one and will be merged again.
@TheLegion82 Obviously you are confused, the Kingdom of Μακεδονία , Provincia Macedoniae (Επαρχία Μακεδονίας),Dioecesis Macedoniae (Διοίκησις Μακεδονίας), Theme of Macedonia (θέμα Μακεδονίας) the Modern Macedonia (region), and the modern Μακεδονία in Greece and FYR Republika Makedonija (Република Македонија), are 7 completely different things.
You think by calling a potato an apple it will taste like an apple.
@thegreathistorian7 Check your greek history books before 1991 and after, before 1991 you were naming us Macedonia in your now after the fall of Yugoslavia you call as FYR Macedonia, your pussy politics and history is at least ridicoulous
@thegreathistorian7 As you englishgreekman know it all, Alexander III of Macedon, The Great, was he Macedonian(tall one) or Greek? Greece didn't exist at that time, all the city states and the bigger ones as Thebes and Athens were razed to the ground with the biggest blodshed till they fell into Macedonian hegemony with Alexander as king, you go to south Greece beneath Olymp and find me 10tall out of 100 sunburned shorties, and go to Macedonia and c 4 yourself who's tall and who's short :)))
@TheLegion82 It does not have to be one political state, For example The kingdom's of Prussia or Bavaria was "German" state's and yet at the time (post holy roman empire through to pre-1871) there was no "Germany" per se, that didn't stop Historians labeling the area as "Germany" and the Prussians and Bavarian's saying they were "German" as well as Prussian or Bavarian
Exactly the same thing with Macedon Kingdom, Spartan Kingdom, Theban Kingdom or the Athenian republic In "Ancient Greece".
@TheLegion82 2) Ive heard the "Was the Macedonians Macedonian or greek?" argument many many times my advise is not to waste your time with it. Ive already explained and refuted it, but feel free to ask for more explanations im happy to help. Peace from UK xx
In 20 years FYROM has been unable to provide a single piece of archaeological or historical evidence to prove the link between the Bulgar-Slavs of FYROM (or indeed ANY Slavs) and the ancient Macedonians
@thegreathistorian7 you're the ones that created your greek history and spent billions to sustain that lie, but lies are short legged you know, Macedonia has its own history(sadly most of it stolen by Greece and Bulgaria) your history is ridicolous as like the Jews would hail Hitler and called him the biggest Jew in history...If Philip and Alexander of Macedon were greeks(a term that didnt exist till 1865) why Alexander razed down Thebes and killed all the population, Athens cowed in submission?
@TheLegion82 There are numerous reference to "Hellas", "greece" and "Greek" in history pre-1865 even from Alexander calling himself one, there are numerous records describing "Greece" and "hellas" from the time, just because it was not a unified state does not mean it suddenly dosnt exist and athens, sparta, macedon, thessaly suddenly are magically very different and have magically no comman language, culture, religion, and identity.
@TheLegion82 OMG ARE U IDIOT? DO U KNOW WHAT MEANS at ancient Greece City-Country? Athens fight against Spartans, Against other Greek races , macedonian is A GREEK Race,,, You dont know history and u tell us that shit? YOUR HEAD IS STUCKED to your propaganda... if you visit Greek MUSEUM(YE WE GOT MUSEUM WITH HISTORY INSIDE) you will see with your !@# eyes that Makedonia is Greece..BUT YOU ARE BLINK OR you dont want too see what is going on.Anyway no1 cares about your 3rd world country^^
Also you should know that during the times you are describing Hellas(Greece) was more like an umbrella that covered all the separate Greek states, rather than a single entity
So your point is moot. Yes Alexander razed Thebes, he still was Greek though...just as the Spartans were Greek when they fought the Athenians in the Pelopponesian War.
It seems that it was a favourite sport among separate Greek states to fight each other for influence over the rest of the Greeks
Also that may be the strongest proof of our direct descendance from the ancient Greeks. We still fight with each other any chance we get. On youtube, in the Parliament, on the streets...like proud descendants to our forefathers...too bad that's about the only chracteristic of the glorious ancients that seems to have remained with us after all those years of mixing with all sorts of foreign cultures
Well something is better than nothing...which is the case for FYROM
if u see their faces... THEY Are !@# SLAVS... hahaha the guy u show in the video is 100%%%%%% SLAV HEAD hahahaha . HE HAS NOTHING to do with ancient statue's faces ...=d=d Great Video bro.. but We dont care how they want to call their country we call em Skopians and thats all:)
@GemistusPletho haha,keep on dreaming and btw i dont read copy paste stupid greek post coz i know my root my real roots from 1940 are from Lerin (florina)so u cant lie me,my cousins still live there so cheers
Those words come directly from the writings of Misirkov. Just because the current extremist FYROM government hides from its ethnic Bulgarians past doesn't mean historians in the rest of the world don't know it.
"The political and military leaders of the Slavs of Macedonia at the turn of the century seem not to have heard Misirkov's call for a separate Macedonian national identity; they continued to identify themselves in a national sense as Bulgarians rather than Macedonians." - US Anthropologist Loring Danforth, "The Macedonian Conflict: Ethnic Nationalism in a Transnational World", Princeton Univ Press, December 1995
"Only the most radical Slavic factions—mostly émigrés in the United States, Canada, and Australia—even attempt to establish a connection to antiquity [...] The twentieth-century development of a Macedonian ethnicity, and its recent evolution into independent statehood following the collapse of the Yugoslav state in 1991, has followed a rocky road. In order to survive the vicissitudes of Balkan history and politics, the Macedonians, who have had no history, need one." - Eugene N. Borza
""Therefore, given the struggle of the three ethnic groups (Serbs, Greeks, Bulgarians) for the control of Macedonia and the absence of any local national movement, we can talk of Macedonia only as a geographical entity not as a nation." - Ancient Macedonian historian Nicholas Hammond in an interview with the magazine “Macedonian Echo” in February, 1999
"Ever since 1878 there had been a sizeable Macedonian presence in Bulgaria…Most if not all Macedonians in Bulgaria at this period regarded themselves as ethnically Bulgarian and the refugees were a potential political lobby of considerable size." - "Ideologies and national identities: the case of twentieth-century" by John R. Lampe, Mark Mazower 2004 page 125
"Ever since 1878 there had been a sizeable Macedonian presence in Bulgaria…Most if not all Macedonians in Bulgaria at this period regarded themselves as ethnically Bulgarian and the refugees were a potential political lobby of considerable size." - Ideologies and national identities: the case of twentieth-century" by John R. Lampe, Mark Mazower 2004
"Ever since 1878 there had been a sizeable Macedonian presence in Bulgaria…Most if not all Macedonians in Bulgaria at this period regarded themselves as ethnically Bulgarian and the refugees were a potential political lobby of considerable size." - Ideologies and national identities the case of twentieth-century, John R. Lampe, Mark Mazower
@shockolanu dogs are honorable animals.i would call them ticks or ants or mosquitoes,the same thing a person usually tramples with shoes or kills with mosquito-killing palettes.
@shockolanu comparing such creatures as the vardariotes to noble animals like the dogs(i say it really,i have a dog at home,and he's way better and more intelligent than many people)is surely an offense to dogs :-)
FYRO-Macedonian language] Was not created by natural means, as all other languages in the world, but was created by political circumstances. It is absurd, that it was created on a certain date -- namely August 2nd, 1944, and at certain place -- the monastery "Prohor Pchinski", with a decree. Such an event has not happened to any other language in the world.
Ihr Hellenen , sagt immer auf die antiken Münzen steht der name MAKEDONIA.
Ich frag mich nur blos , welches Land macht Werbung für andere Länder vor das eigene. Wo bitteschön steht Elláda, Ελλάδα,Ellás, Ελλάς oder Hellas auf den Münzen von ALEXANDER den Großen.DA steht EINDEUTIG MAKEDONIA und MAKEDONIA ist auf gar kein FAll Greeko KAKIS. Wer hat wen erobert. Die MAKEDONIER die Griechen oder die greekoKAKIS die MAKEDONIER.
Ihr seit Lügner,HELLLENEN schämt euch. VIVA la MAkedonia 4 all MAKEDONS
Muhahaha soon fyrom will be in united albania. We are 33% from fyrom and we have 5 and more childrens. Fucked "macedonians" are infertile. Go out from fyrom back to Bulgaria or you will eat our dick. You have not choice after 15 years we will be much more than you.
Lol, Greeks are such idiots. They can't even take care of their own country. How about fix your own country before you attack others? Also, check the country of my location on my YouTube page. Hmm... Must be a mistake if it's not a real country right? Haha, eat Macedonian dick. PS: What is Vardaskan? I've never heard of that term in my life. The new statue of the Macedonian (not Greek) Alexander the Great is so big, it will cast a shadow on your gross people (you are Turkish/Ethiopuan mix). Bye!
For almost two decades FYROM hasn't produced a single piece of proof that the ancient Macedonians and the Slavs of FYROM are one and the same people. No writing, no statues, no cities, no temples, in fact NOTHING that can link these FYROMians to Alexander the Great. And with every year that passes, this fact becomes more ever apparent - the only conclusion is that there is NO link between the Slavs and Alexander. They steal Greek history and deny their Bulgarian past. These people are a joke.
HOW YOU DARE TO CALL YOUR SELVES MACEDONIAN?MACEDONIA IS A GREEK REGION.UNDERSTAND THIS!!!!IF WE WANTED TO BE CALLED SKOPIANS,IT WILL BE NICE TO YOU?BUT YOU SAID BY YOUR SELF THAT YOU HAVE NOT EVEN HISTORY.SO GO TO HELL AND TRY TO MAKE A HISTORY NOW!!!!
Fuck you we dont caare about your unemployment we dont care about your provblems and we dont give a SHIT if you live or die. YOU are UNIMPORTNAT to the world and there are more then enough hestorical prooves that macedonia is greek! All there names are greek the star of vergina has a greek meaning and you are nothing more than nomads. FUCK YOU VARDASKANS
@Roharin What? You MAT (those cups with glops, helmets and plastic shields, who beats refugees and demostrators -even if they are elders! That is how they are named in Greece) know to write six lines with only 5 mistakes? I suppose Adonis helped you typing this! And what do you the worst kind of cups know about history? You didn't manage to end the high schoo! But what am I saying! Those can't use a computer! So you are just a Neonazi and Juntic offspring!
@Peristerygr What does MAT have to do with anything?I may not be a master in english grammar but i defenetly know history moron! FUCK YOU EXPLAIN ME THE GREEK NAMES AND THE STAR OF VERGINA BEFORE YOU TALK TO ME YOU BASTARD SLAV. αν και άπλυτος έλληνας πρέπει να είσαι μπασταρδάκο αλλά δε γαμιέσαι
You people are too much. Macedonia was and is Greek. Ancient Macedonia spoke Greek, wrote in Greek and the same Gods...and I could go on. The archeological site of the tomb of Philip was all in Greek. It is sad to see that you are blinded by the globalist that only want to flood you and destroy your identity, your pride your nations. Whether you are Bulgarian, Turk, Albanian, Fyromian, Hellenes. All have some heritage of the past that they should be proud of and preserve.
MALAKA VARDASKA I HAVE SO MUCH FUN WITH THIS JOKE !!! YOU LL NEVER BECOME MACEDONIANIANS , TOU LL NEVER BECOME GREEKS. YOU ARE FYROM AND AFTER MAAAAAAAANY YEARS YOU LL BE VARDASKA. THAT DAY YOU LL BE ABLE TO APPLY FOR E.U , NATO ETC.... ASK THE TURKS TO TELL YOU MORE ABOUT ISOLATION. THEY KNOW SOMETHING.
the first Macedonian state emerged in the 8th or early 7th century BC under the Argead Dynasty, who, according to legend, migrated to the region from the Greek city of Argos in Peloponnesus (thus the name Argead).[7] The Macedonian tribe ruled by the Argeads, was itself called Argead (which translates as "descended from Argos")
@8Macedon8 To mouni ths mana sou palio malaka. Ante re thelete kai thn makedonia, me poion tropo thelete na mas thn parete ee??? Gia pes mas mounaki. Gia pante na breite kamia douleia me 37% anergia kai meta na milate epideis oloi edw sthn ellada erxosaste gia doulies. Oust! ELLAS GIA PANTA!
All History lies have a time limit and so the FYR of Macedonia lie soon will turn to a nightmare for the Brainwashed history victims Bulgarian Slavs .
arvanite..hmmm let me remind my self ...if I am not wrong you are supposed to be today a part of greek nation...thus albanian. Luan Krasniqi and sali berisha are your true brothers why you don't want to be albanian? I have also heard that even theodoros kolonotronics or what so ever his name was ...was an albanian too.
MACEDONIA WAS PART OF TURKEY, AND ROME AND YUGOSLAVIA. THE WORLD WAS PART OF MACEDONIA. MACEDONIA WILL BE UNITED AND FREE. MACEDONIA WILL NEVER BE GREEK.
Resist to the protesting neighbor. Surely nobody cared to copyright-protect ancient gods, names, heroes. Do not fear, they can't harm you.
In case you name your "tribe" ADIDAS a sue by the company is more than sure. In case you name your tribe 'VALHALLA' or 'ODIN' or 'BONAPARTIA' or even 'WALES' or 'SCOTLAND' there are no laws that can result to your punishment.
Not been accepted by the NGOs is not a big deal: As long as you can keep trading you're safe.
Start renaming everything according to names that belong to this ancient nation you want to imitate. Cities, airports, food, music: What is makedonska gaida? the bulgarian gaida playing in "makedoneya". Makedonsko salad, makedonsko this, makedonski that, makedonuts, makedonalds and all the possible combinations to ensure your 'nation' will learn his own new name.
Try to locate all the missing or loose parts of this history, including mysteries and myths that cannot be verified so you can claim from the safety of the unexplored part of the story.
Example: The Greeks killed all the elephants.
Proof: Did you see any elephant in Greece? no? i told you the truth. When someone replies that elephants never existed in Greece, tell him that he is gay and change topic.
"How to create your Nationality in ten simple steps"
By Risto Stefov, Tendov, Boshevski, Redzepova and Gruevski
Considering that you already have an assembly of various people from different ethnicities that were living all together behind the "Iron Curtain" under a flag of some totalitarian regime.
After the ruling of people under the "people's republic" is no more acceptable, a new way of manipulation is needed to keep these people together.
Even Gotse Deltchev,the famous Macedonian revolutionary leader,whose nome de guerre was Ahil (Achilles) "refers to the Slavs of Macedonia as 'Bulgarians' in an offhanded manner without seeming to indicate that such a designation was a point of contention" (Perry 1988:23).In his correspondence Gotse Deltchev often states simple and clearly,"We are Bulgarians" (Mac Dermott 1978:192,273).
F.Y.R.O.M. was stole the flag of Macedonia (Greece )....... Is the same flag that is red only from the rear instead of blue .....And the badge is the same of Vergina :@..
You still won't have anything, and you definitely won't have the name of Macedonian, because your not. Have your choice...Vardaskans, Skops, but you will never have the name Macedonian. You don't even want to be called Bulgarians, which is where your ancestors are from, but the proud Bulgarians don't even want you.
we turks cant read a single letter on ottoman coins 100 years old.
we dont care!
so its normal that macedonians cant read coins 4000 years old.
macedonians has destroyed thebians and athenians.if they were greeks would they destroy their brothers?
they have used greek language its true because hellenic civilisation was at the top at those times.and alexander had greek teachers and spoke greek.some ottomans had greek teachers too and atatürk has spoken fluent greek but he beat greeks.
dont swear on "slavic" cuz we beat your ass many times, and many more times helped you against the arabs. without slavs now you will talk in turkish or arabic.
PifchoBG 5 days ago
YUNANISTAN IS THE NAME OF REPUBLIC OF ATHENS
MACEDONIANPAVLEMKD 1 week ago
@MACEDONIANPAVLEMKD
MONKEYDONIA.
POTIS1 1 week ago
@MACEDONIANPAVLEMKD Say hello too your mama from me slavoskopian gipsy.
Dr3adKnight 5 days ago
on 3:53 there is a small region called bitola...it´s a city in macedonia but in the ottoman empire it was a small region
mk1krv1 1 week ago
this fucking slavoshitface want to be macedonian...ahahahahhahahahahahahahaa
socrates6068 1 week ago
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so who is right about 20% of the population of FYROM + Nationalist diaspora, or the rest of the entire world? Is that the example of the "global conspiracy" against the Macedonian people, like the "global conspiracy" against the North Korean people? Or is this whole process of Antiquisation an example of government propaganda perhaps? Which is more likely?
umad?
thegreathistorian7 2 weeks ago
if fyromians cannot be macedonians then there is a big problem. they can't be called slavs. because slav = slave. that is the truth from history. and they cannot accept that. but they have to some time. they will.
lokapos 2 weeks ago
In Rome there is 4 ancient maps. Clearly states Macedonia no mention of Greece as it didn't exist. Greeks want our name because we have a long history and their a little confused about their own.
billytheluckyhorse 4 weeks ago
@billytheluckyhorse
lol
clown
minottauruss 4 weeks ago
@billytheluckyhorse
LOL who needs ur fyroparody show since 1991?
20 years of mythotales
Thats all folks.
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@billytheluckyhorse
Krste Misirkov)“We are Bulgarians, more Bulgarians than the Bulgarians in Bulgaria themselves.”[...]‘And, anyway, what sort of new Macedonian nation can this be when we and our fathers and grandfathers and great-grandfathers have always been called Bulgarians?"
Karamanovski 3 weeks ago
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@billytheluckyhorse
THE ONLY LONG THINK YOU HAVE IS THE DICK IN YOUR BRAIN.
POTIS1 1 week ago
Greeks should go learn about there history before trying to teach others about there own. Ps start with your national flag & u also might find interesting if you do the reserch will show you that the majority of Greeks are actually Albanians assimulated into believing they are hellens.
dfactman1 1 month ago
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@dfactman1
Delchev - "...We are Bulgarians and and all suffer from one common disease...."
Karamanovski 3 weeks ago
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No wonder Greece is bankrupt they have a population of historians & work for free here on youtube..
dfactman1 1 month ago
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Kiro Gligorov:'We are Slavs who came to this area in the sixth century (AD) we are not descendants of the ancient Macedonians.We are Macedonians but we are Slav Macedonians. That's who we are! We have no connection to Alexander the Greek and his Macedonia.A man who had several assassination attempts made against him to keep him silent by Skopian extremists, died at age 94,a sad day for a man that knew the truth, sadly the Fyromians keep getting fed propoganda by Gruevski..from scandinavia!
europetravel22 1 month ago
ok!! your name is fyromians or peones.Ancient peones you was when we was as we are now Macedonians,so peones,... in greek "peos" is the Dick.. and i think..that for you state-village the right name is peonia or peograd or peos direkt.!have a nice dreaming Peomians.
greekolosos 1 month ago
Macedonia is Thessaloniki Greece.
MrNMT69 1 month ago
fuck u greece macedonia for macedon
momcemk 2 months ago
@momcemk you no Macedonian you are a Baboonski !
FYROBABOONSKA1 1 month ago
@momcemk :QUICK LESSON TO YOU ILLITERATE BULGARIAN MULE...
Ιn Greek or ancient Greek or real Macedonian - ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΑ
Ιn Bulgarian - МАКЕДОНИЯ
In fyrom - МАКЕДОНИЈА
So fuck you and go to hell.
You are a slav just as Kiro Gligorov and Lubco Georgievski (former prime ministers of Fyrom) said in the past..Makedonia is Greece and the name is directly related to the Greeks.
History is history and no propaganda will or can change it.
ΕΛΛΑΣ=ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΑ
KPAracing 1 month ago 2
Instead of being "Real Nobodies" better being some "Fake Someone". Instead of beginning now to build up some worth history, no, they just want to steal it from the greeks who suffered and fought through the centuries and millenniums to achieve what they did.
We live in a time of traitors and parasites and they don't want to miss their chance. However, at the end they will get what they deserve, to be forgotten in the sewer of history.
In other words, they will have to "Fake" themselves.
qristto 2 months ago
MONKEYDONIANS ΤΟ ΧΡΙΣΤΟ ΣΑΣ ΚΑΙ ΤΗΝ ΠΟΥΤΑΝΑ ΠΑΝΑΓΙΑ ΣΑΣ ΜΑΙΜΟΥΝΙΑ
otolmonika1 2 months ago
I AM, MACEDONIAN . I A M GREEK
johnathish 2 months ago
вманячени балкански идиоти...
vlstgeorgiev 2 months ago
Macedonia1ful 2 months ago
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DespinaKouros 1 month ago
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@Macedonia1ful WTF are you talking about? Untill 2013 you will be vanished little bug, parasite of this Earth!Your economy stands due to Hellenic factories,banks and enterprises,and if they decide to leave your miserable shithole,you will start eating your balls!!!As for this fake flag it's obvious to anyone that it's a product of political propaganda by our neighboring "friends"!You are Monkeydonians and nothing else! Now go to Louvre Museum to LΕΑRN about ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΑ,..ΜΑΛΑΚΑ!!!
DespinaKouros 1 month ago
Well Slavs in Macedonia are not Macedonians , they crating fake identity and fake history !! Soon or later, there is not going to exist even a FYROM. I feel sorry for people of FYROM that are cheated . If Tito would be a live would tell a truth!!!!
go2rrs 2 months ago
monkeydonians
40xbRem 2 months ago
Macedonians you forgot something, you are Bulgarians and this will remain forever. You live on Bulgarian land and can not change it.
dearddevil92 3 months ago
Ancient geographer, Strabo (1st cent.), wrote:
''Estin oun Ellas kai h Makedonia''
IF Fyromians were true, they would not need the translation ... But THEY DO need it:
''So Makedonia too is Hellas''
Case closed! I guess, an ancient geogrpaher would know better. Don't you?
The persistence of those guys to steal what is not theirs comes either from the Orwellian ''1984'', or
IT IS A BAD BAD JOKE TOO FAR GONE!
Its time to cut the crap...
afronovaable 3 months ago 18
I need to be rich.I need to be rich.I need to be rich.SHUT UP AND SWIM.Look the hole in your panties and your terrible lives.Macedonia was,is and will be forever GREEK,and Macedonians were,are and will be forever GREEKS.You haven't ant relation with this,and finally accept your real identity and inheritance although is hard to say, "GYPSIES".
gampcptn 3 months ago 2
As long as you recognize your Slavic ancestors it's ok. :) Greetings from Serbia.
GoranTheSerbian 3 months ago 2
noone bulgarian or fyromian or albanian can claim himself as a macedonian historically,history of macedonia is just one part of greek history and the most important.alexander united all greeks and today we speak about greece.macedonia is greek like sparta crete thesally thrace ipirus athens etc.fyrom cant handle this.this is to bad because one day soon slavs of fyrom will understand their mistake and feel embarassed with theirselves.eu steal our money and fyrom steal our history...
socrates6068 4 months ago
they're bulgarians in greece and they want to be called macedonians.
zakyzeek 4 months ago
The Albanians have more rights to those Vardar lands anyhow they were their and were part of Alexanders armies,Alexanders fav book was the iliad,
No reference were made on Vardar Mace during the occupation of the Ottoman turks ,being a country,plus I have references that the Vardaskans were mates with the Bulgarians and Nazis
jasonjuliushaekcmedi 4 months ago
Five factors,Ptolemy interpreted the old testament from Aramaic to Greek,
Aristotle stated that he only teach Greeks not barbarians, he was Alexanders teacher.
Why does Varday use a Greek alphabet called Cyrillic
Bitola was called Hrakleio Lynsestis in the ancient world and it was a illyrian city,
Finally Macedon means highlander in its Hellenic form and they Scupi never conquered, fought to take our lands.
jasonjuliushaekcmedi 4 months ago
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I bought a tape on 'THE HISTORY OF FYROM' guess what it was a blank tape.
Οὐδέν κρυπτόν ὑπό τό φῶς τοῦ ἡλίου=Nothing remains hidden under the sunlight.
Fyromian forgeries are always melted by historical truth like the snow is melted by the sun.
jasonjuliushaekcmedi 4 months ago
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thouvou13 4 months ago
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ΑΡΧΕΛΑΟΣ (ΑRCHELAUS) ΦΙΛΙΠΠΟΣ (PHILIPPE) ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ (ALEXANDER) ΠΕΡΔΙΚΚΑΣ (PERDICCAS) ΠΑΡΜΕΝΙΩΝ (PARMENION) ΚΡΑΤΕΡΟΣ (KRATEROS) ΒΟΥΚΕΦΑΛΑΣ (BUCEPHALUS) = MAKEDONIC NAMES.
ΑΠΟΛΛΩΝΙΑ (APOLLONIA-region of ANCIENT MAKEDONIA) ΠΕΛΛΑ (CAPITAL OF ANCIENT MAKEDONIA) ΒΕΡΓΙΝΑ (VERGINA-the first CAPITAL of ANCIENT MAKEDONIA) = MAKEDONIC CITY NAMES.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO US HOW YOU BELIEVE THAT YOU COME FROM ANCIENT MAKEDONIANS,WHEN YOUR SURNAMES ARE PETROVSKI,PERIC,GRUEFSKI,GETCH EVSKY??? "
FYROMSKI 5 months ago
Give me proof that Macedonia was not Greek and I will admit that Macedonia was Skopje.
A few questions monkeydonians:
DO you know what Alexander means?
Do you know what Macedonia means?
Do you know that Alexander believed in Greek gods?
Do you know that Alexander competed in ANCIENT OLYMPIC GAMES which was only for Greek?
Do you know that he spoke Greek?
Do you know that Macedonians left coins with Greek on them?
YOUR PROPAGANDA WILL NEVER BE SUCCESSFUL.THE WHOLE WORLD KNOWS WHO YOU ARE
kmichos 5 months ago
@kmichos hey hey man chill down just tell them to type in google argead dynasty see so simple ;)
kaberisisidoros 4 months ago
@kmichos
I know all that is truth and all that is made up history..
Do you know that you speak english?
Do you know that the euros your country borrows are written and stamped english?
Do you know that if the sea level rises and drowns you all England can claim your land with the same claim for ownership as you imply?
Do you know when Greece emerges in the history? (1885-King George of GreecePrince of Denmark) your country is a artificial creation of the Great Powers just to keep off the Turks
TheLegion82 4 months ago
The river of Vardar which emerges from north of Macedonia and flows through out Macedonia to the Aegean sea as it enters Greece is called river of Axios but the wind which flows against the river as it enter the sea is called Vardarija by the greeksand macedonians that live in greek part of macedonia:))) you forgot to change this as well as you changed everything in the last century starting from toponims ending with gravestones, you clever little greek rascals:))) 1913-2013
TheLegion82 5 months ago
@TheLegion82 hey compatriot,, how did ur grand-popy manage to keep
his head on in 1913,,,,was he an Olympic runner ?? viva our FYROM !!!
FYROMustafa 5 months ago
This is a perfect video. Million of bravos. But now Vardarska (Fyrom) have the Nato and European Union forces to help them so later they could use them.
If they (Skopje) get a name and from a meaningless nation become "Macedonians" then their land could be used and get more money when sold! LEARN FROM THE GREEK DEBT SOMETHING FOOL VARDARSKAN GUYS!
greek2005 5 months ago
@greek2005 Check your greek history books before 1991 and after, before 1991 you were naming us Macedonia in your now after the fall of Yugoslavia you call as FYR Macedonia, your pussy politics and history is at least ridicoulous
TheLegion82 5 months ago
@TheLegion82 It was only the book of geography of junior school which was printed in the '80s and was used till YOUR country (Yugoslavia) was broken. Books before the '80s was calling your region as Vardarska. We know that your land 2000 ago was Greek-Macedonian but we never asked it back. Cause the Slavic took over your land after the Ottoman. See you've changed so many names and identities...but the identity of Macedonians is the one you want cause nobody would recognize a Vardaskan of course!
greek2005 5 months ago
@greek2005 What r u talking, the name greece didnt exist till 1865..Until England, France and Russia gave you a Danish prince to rule over you you were never a state in history..maybe under the Turkish rule you were Ottoman province of Yunanistan ..Macedonia and Macedonians however have a history of kings,starting Karanus 808-778 BC, ending with Perseus 179-167 BC, under Turkish rule of the Balkans till the desamibiation of Macedonia in 1913 was whole with a Macedonian governor, the king Marko.
TheLegion82 5 months ago
@TheLegion82 Of course the western european nations would give us a new name cause "Hellas" our real and first name had to be erased...
You know what i mean. Just replace the name Greece with Hellas in my sentences if that's your problem.
If Ottoman and Slavics took over our land (you admin the greek/hellenic genocide by you barbarians) then your land was taken over. I've said that too. That you land was in the byzantine empire (greek) then Ottoman empire (turks) and then Slavic (Yugo).So?
greek2005 5 months ago
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@TheLegion82 An other Fyromian "traitor" for telling the truth? "The whole story about Ancient Macedonia sounds undoubtedly very nice. However, there is a great problem, a huge hole of about 2,000 years during which we have neither oral nor written tradition, nor a single scientific argument" - former Prime Minister Ljubco Georgievski, FOCUS News, 31 March 2008
FYROMINJA 5 months ago
Hellass-dont bother to teach Macedonian history, the true historians know it well cause it goes well before Christ was born on this world;)
Instead, learn you own history, type George I, Danish prince on wikipedia and learn how old "greek" history is...i'll tell you if its too difficult for your thick skull-greece is invented in 1886 by UK, France and Russia and again in 1913 by these great powers you, Bulgaria, Albania and Serbia stole Eagean and Pirin Macedonia ...now cry me a river
TheLegion82 5 months ago
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@TheLegion82 Hey Faggot. Shut ur fuckin dirty mouth u piece of shit. YOU go learn History u ignorant fuck. Alexander the Great was 100% GREEK. "Alexander"= "Alexo"= Protector, "Andros"= Man - "Macedonia"= "Makednos" = Tall Ones, Highlanders. ALL GREEK words. You ugly Slavic Skopjan Bulgarian Vardarska Bananovina Monkeydonians entered the Balkans 1000 years after Alexander Ruled the GREEK city-state of Macedonia.. You have absolutely NO relation with the REAL GREEK Macedonia.
broadman69 5 months ago
@TheLegion82 The Sun of Vergina, which u tried to STEAL and put on ur flag, is a 100% GREEK symbol. The 12 of the 16 Rays represent the 12 Greek Gods of Olympus and the other 4 represent the 4 Elements (Earth, Fire, Wind, Water) You thieves try to steal MY History cause u're experiencing an Identity Crisis LOLLL hahaha who the fuck r u kidding.. all u're currently achieving is TOTALLY EMBARRASSING yourselves with ur propaganda. Now OUST uncivilized nation. Run along now Monkeys go climb a tree.
broadman69 5 months ago
@broadman69 you know shit mate,that simbol is called The sun of Kutlesh before you started changing toponims and gravestones after dismembering Aegean Macedonia in 1913 by Bucharest threaty and changing the name Kutlesh to Vergina,greek gods and 4 elements xD dont dare teach me history as you dont even know your own..Aegean Macedonia is 2/3 of the original Macedonia, there is also Pirin Macedonia and Vardar Macedonia and although they are dismembered there are still one and will be merged again.
TheLegion82 5 months ago
@TheLegion82 Obviously you are confused, the Kingdom of Μακεδονία , Provincia Macedoniae (Επαρχία Μακεδονίας),Dioecesis Macedoniae (Διοίκησις Μακεδονίας), Theme of Macedonia (θέμα Μακεδονίας) the Modern Macedonia (region), and the modern Μακεδονία in Greece and FYR Republika Makedonija (Република Македонија), are 7 completely different things.
You think by calling a potato an apple it will taste like an apple.
thegreathistorian7 5 months ago
@thegreathistorian7 Check your greek history books before 1991 and after, before 1991 you were naming us Macedonia in your now after the fall of Yugoslavia you call as FYR Macedonia, your pussy politics and history is at least ridicoulous
TheLegion82 5 months ago
@TheLegion82 Im British and so my history book's tend to be free of Greek-Ultra nationalist, or Fake Macedonian (Vadarskan) bullshit.
thegreathistorian7 5 months ago
@thegreathistorian7 As you englishgreekman know it all, Alexander III of Macedon, The Great, was he Macedonian(tall one) or Greek? Greece didn't exist at that time, all the city states and the bigger ones as Thebes and Athens were razed to the ground with the biggest blodshed till they fell into Macedonian hegemony with Alexander as king, you go to south Greece beneath Olymp and find me 10tall out of 100 sunburned shorties, and go to Macedonia and c 4 yourself who's tall and who's short :)))
TheLegion82 5 months ago
@TheLegion82 /watch?v=IfJbbfNuQAQ
FYROMINJA 5 months ago
@TheLegion82 How come a Serb and a Bulgarian can understand your " Macedonian " Language
BUT you can't read or Understand what the ancient Macedonians wrote ?
don't you think theres something fishy there ?
FYROMINJA 5 months ago 41
@TheLegion82 It does not have to be one political state, For example The kingdom's of Prussia or Bavaria was "German" state's and yet at the time (post holy roman empire through to pre-1871) there was no "Germany" per se, that didn't stop Historians labeling the area as "Germany" and the Prussians and Bavarian's saying they were "German" as well as Prussian or Bavarian
Exactly the same thing with Macedon Kingdom, Spartan Kingdom, Theban Kingdom or the Athenian republic In "Ancient Greece".
thegreathistorian7 5 months ago
@TheLegion82 2) Ive heard the "Was the Macedonians Macedonian or greek?" argument many many times my advise is not to waste your time with it. Ive already explained and refuted it, but feel free to ask for more explanations im happy to help. Peace from UK xx
thegreathistorian7 5 months ago
@TheLegion82
In 20 years FYROM has been unable to provide a single piece of archaeological or historical evidence to prove the link between the Bulgar-Slavs of FYROM (or indeed ANY Slavs) and the ancient Macedonians
thegreathistorian7 5 months ago
@thegreathistorian7 you're the ones that created your greek history and spent billions to sustain that lie, but lies are short legged you know, Macedonia has its own history(sadly most of it stolen by Greece and Bulgaria) your history is ridicolous as like the Jews would hail Hitler and called him the biggest Jew in history...If Philip and Alexander of Macedon were greeks(a term that didnt exist till 1865) why Alexander razed down Thebes and killed all the population, Athens cowed in submission?
TheLegion82 5 months ago
@TheLegion82 There are numerous reference to "Hellas", "greece" and "Greek" in history pre-1865 even from Alexander calling himself one, there are numerous records describing "Greece" and "hellas" from the time, just because it was not a unified state does not mean it suddenly dosnt exist and athens, sparta, macedon, thessaly suddenly are magically very different and have magically no comman language, culture, religion, and identity.
thegreathistorian7 5 months ago
@TheLegion82 OMG ARE U IDIOT? DO U KNOW WHAT MEANS at ancient Greece City-Country? Athens fight against Spartans, Against other Greek races , macedonian is A GREEK Race,,, You dont know history and u tell us that shit? YOUR HEAD IS STUCKED to your propaganda... if you visit Greek MUSEUM(YE WE GOT MUSEUM WITH HISTORY INSIDE) you will see with your !@# eyes that Makedonia is Greece..BUT YOU ARE BLINK OR you dont want too see what is going on.Anyway no1 cares about your 3rd world country^^
Myrmidonas100 5 months ago
@TheLegion82
Also you should know that during the times you are describing Hellas(Greece) was more like an umbrella that covered all the separate Greek states, rather than a single entity
So your point is moot. Yes Alexander razed Thebes, he still was Greek though...just as the Spartans were Greek when they fought the Athenians in the Pelopponesian War.
It seems that it was a favourite sport among separate Greek states to fight each other for influence over the rest of the Greeks
MrYc6969 2 months ago
@TheLegion82
Also that may be the strongest proof of our direct descendance from the ancient Greeks. We still fight with each other any chance we get. On youtube, in the Parliament, on the streets...like proud descendants to our forefathers...too bad that's about the only chracteristic of the glorious ancients that seems to have remained with us after all those years of mixing with all sorts of foreign cultures
Well something is better than nothing...which is the case for FYROM
MrYc6969 2 months ago
@LokoMn i could say that you're totally brainewashed- but you seem you dont have a brain at all...
hushnlisten1 5 months ago
if u see their faces... THEY Are !@# SLAVS... hahaha the guy u show in the video is 100%%%%%% SLAV HEAD hahahaha . HE HAS NOTHING to do with ancient statue's faces ...=d=d Great Video bro.. but We dont care how they want to call their country we call em Skopians and thats all:)
Myrmidonas100 6 months ago
LONG LIVE HOMOSEXUAL REPUBLIC OF GAYREECE
LokoMn 6 months ago
@LokoMn
Hate of Greeks is FYROM's true identity otherwise your would cherish your ethnic Bulgarian past rather than hiding from it. Krste Misirkov:
"We are Bulgarians, more Bulgarians than the Bulgarians in Bulgaria themselves."
“The only Macedonian Slavs who played a leading part in the uprising were those who called themselves Bulgarians.”
“No matter whether we call ourselves Bulgarians or Macedonians we shall always feel as a nationality with a Bulgarian national consciousness,”
GemistusPletho 5 months ago
@GemistusPletho haha,keep on dreaming and btw i dont read copy paste stupid greek post coz i know my root my real roots from 1940 are from Lerin (florina)so u cant lie me,my cousins still live there so cheers
LokoMn 5 months ago
@LokoMn
Those words come directly from the writings of Misirkov. Just because the current extremist FYROM government hides from its ethnic Bulgarians past doesn't mean historians in the rest of the world don't know it.
GemistusPletho 5 months ago
@LokoMn
"The political and military leaders of the Slavs of Macedonia at the turn of the century seem not to have heard Misirkov's call for a separate Macedonian national identity; they continued to identify themselves in a national sense as Bulgarians rather than Macedonians." - US Anthropologist Loring Danforth, "The Macedonian Conflict: Ethnic Nationalism in a Transnational World", Princeton Univ Press, December 1995
GemistusPletho 5 months ago
@LokoMn
"Only the most radical Slavic factions—mostly émigrés in the United States, Canada, and Australia—even attempt to establish a connection to antiquity [...] The twentieth-century development of a Macedonian ethnicity, and its recent evolution into independent statehood following the collapse of the Yugoslav state in 1991, has followed a rocky road. In order to survive the vicissitudes of Balkan history and politics, the Macedonians, who have had no history, need one." - Eugene N. Borza
GemistusPletho 5 months ago
@LokoMn
Hammond Nicholas
""Therefore, given the struggle of the three ethnic groups (Serbs, Greeks, Bulgarians) for the control of Macedonia and the absence of any local national movement, we can talk of Macedonia only as a geographical entity not as a nation." - Ancient Macedonian historian Nicholas Hammond in an interview with the magazine “Macedonian Echo” in February, 1999
GemistusPletho 5 months ago
@LokoMn
"Ever since 1878 there had been a sizeable Macedonian presence in Bulgaria…Most if not all Macedonians in Bulgaria at this period regarded themselves as ethnically Bulgarian and the refugees were a potential political lobby of considerable size." - "Ideologies and national identities: the case of twentieth-century" by John R. Lampe, Mark Mazower 2004 page 125
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@LokoMn
"Ever since 1878 there had been a sizeable Macedonian presence in Bulgaria…Most if not all Macedonians in Bulgaria at this period regarded themselves as ethnically Bulgarian and the refugees were a potential political lobby of considerable size." - Ideologies and national identities: the case of twentieth-century" by John R. Lampe, Mark Mazower 2004
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@LokoMn
"Ever since 1878 there had been a sizeable Macedonian presence in Bulgaria…Most if not all Macedonians in Bulgaria at this period regarded themselves as ethnically Bulgarian and the refugees were a potential political lobby of considerable size." - Ideologies and national identities the case of twentieth-century, John R. Lampe, Mark Mazower
GemistusPletho 5 months ago
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For all the "greeks" tatars,serbs shiptars and everybody else that is sharing same opinion with them....makedonika wordpress/com
TheMegaArtist 6 months ago
SLAVS SLAVS SLAVS SLAVS SLAVS SLAVS SLAVS SLAVS SLAVS!!!
tor28gre 6 months ago
I will call him a dog, not a Macedonian.
shockolanu 7 months ago
@shockolanu dogs are honorable animals.i would call them ticks or ants or mosquitoes,the same thing a person usually tramples with shoes or kills with mosquito-killing palettes.
valeagathon 6 months ago
@valeagathon
True, sorry for insulting the dogs that helped the human race.
shockolanu 6 months ago
@shockolanu comparing such creatures as the vardariotes to noble animals like the dogs(i say it really,i have a dog at home,and he's way better and more intelligent than many people)is surely an offense to dogs :-)
valeagathon 6 months ago
@valeagathon
Yes, actually... dogs are very noble animals. We just forget for how much we have to thank them.
Again, sorry for insulting the dogs :)
shockolanu 6 months ago
Very good video.
All the stars of Vergina !!!
athanatiEllada 7 months ago
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FYRO-Macedonian language] Was not created by natural means, as all other languages in the world, but was created by political circumstances. It is absurd, that it was created on a certain date -- namely August 2nd, 1944, and at certain place -- the monastery "Prohor Pchinski", with a decree. Such an event has not happened to any other language in the world.
NO MACEDONIA FOR THE FYROMONKEYS ... TIMELESS
FYROMINJA 7 months ago
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Ihr Hellenen , sagt immer auf die antiken Münzen steht der name MAKEDONIA.
Ich frag mich nur blos , welches Land macht Werbung für andere Länder vor das eigene. Wo bitteschön steht Elláda, Ελλάδα,Ellás, Ελλάς oder Hellas auf den Münzen von ALEXANDER den Großen.DA steht EINDEUTIG MAKEDONIA und MAKEDONIA ist auf gar kein FAll Greeko KAKIS. Wer hat wen erobert. Die MAKEDONIER die Griechen oder die greekoKAKIS die MAKEDONIER.
Ihr seit Lügner,HELLLENEN schämt euch. VIVA la MAkedonia 4 all MAKEDONS
Devoj4E 8 months ago
Welcome to FYROM . The country of national chauvinism.
PhobosRevenge 8 months ago
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Muhahaha soon fyrom will be in united albania. We are 33% from fyrom and we have 5 and more childrens. Fucked "macedonians" are infertile. Go out from fyrom back to Bulgaria or you will eat our dick. You have not choice after 15 years we will be much more than you.
PowerManGreatAlban 8 months ago
Some people here just need your women to make big money by forching them in prostitution. Why? That is they are doing for a living!
Peristerygr 8 months ago
keep barking ...
u d better build a statue of PINOCCHIO....
fan4fun4ever 8 months ago
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fan4fun4ever 8 months ago
Lol, Greeks are such idiots. They can't even take care of their own country. How about fix your own country before you attack others? Also, check the country of my location on my YouTube page. Hmm... Must be a mistake if it's not a real country right? Haha, eat Macedonian dick. PS: What is Vardaskan? I've never heard of that term in my life. The new statue of the Macedonian (not Greek) Alexander the Great is so big, it will cast a shadow on your gross people (you are Turkish/Ethiopuan mix). Bye!
666hades666 8 months ago
@666hades666 = Mustafas the dirty ottos cheap whore in the Balkans!!!!
ratzP 7 months ago
For almost two decades FYROM hasn't produced a single piece of proof that the ancient Macedonians and the Slavs of FYROM are one and the same people. No writing, no statues, no cities, no temples, in fact NOTHING that can link these FYROMians to Alexander the Great. And with every year that passes, this fact becomes more ever apparent - the only conclusion is that there is NO link between the Slavs and Alexander. They steal Greek history and deny their Bulgarian past. These people are a joke.
NickFromFulham 9 months ago 21
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fyromalakia 9 months ago
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fan4fun4ever 9 months ago
WE ARE MACEDONIANS!
GREEK IS GEY
baksterski 9 months ago
@baksterski Alexander was gay too
KaterinaCreta 9 months ago
HOW YOU DARE TO CALL YOUR SELVES MACEDONIAN?MACEDONIA IS A GREEK REGION.UNDERSTAND THIS!!!!IF WE WANTED TO BE CALLED SKOPIANS,IT WILL BE NICE TO YOU?BUT YOU SAID BY YOUR SELF THAT YOU HAVE NOT EVEN HISTORY.SO GO TO HELL AND TRY TO MAKE A HISTORY NOW!!!!
soniol97 9 months ago
Greece is Macedoniaa!!!
mstefanovski98 9 months ago
@VelickoKerin88 macedonia is greek and the hole world knows that
psoloman 9 months ago
Macedonia jest Słowiańska !!! Sława Słowianom !!! Pozdrowienia z Polski !
Wieslav89 9 months ago
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Real Macedonia?
Animation for MonkeyDonians
watch?v=qSuEfi4NX5I
macedonianimation 9 months ago
Fuck you we dont caare about your unemployment we dont care about your provblems and we dont give a SHIT if you live or die. YOU are UNIMPORTNAT to the world and there are more then enough hestorical prooves that macedonia is greek! All there names are greek the star of vergina has a greek meaning and you are nothing more than nomads. FUCK YOU VARDASKANS
Roharin 10 months ago 18
@Roharin What? You MAT (those cups with glops, helmets and plastic shields, who beats refugees and demostrators -even if they are elders! That is how they are named in Greece) know to write six lines with only 5 mistakes? I suppose Adonis helped you typing this! And what do you the worst kind of cups know about history? You didn't manage to end the high schoo! But what am I saying! Those can't use a computer! So you are just a Neonazi and Juntic offspring!
Peristerygr 8 months ago
@Peristerygr What does MAT have to do with anything?I may not be a master in english grammar but i defenetly know history moron! FUCK YOU EXPLAIN ME THE GREEK NAMES AND THE STAR OF VERGINA BEFORE YOU TALK TO ME YOU BASTARD SLAV. αν και άπλυτος έλληνας πρέπει να είσαι μπασταρδάκο αλλά δε γαμιέσαι
Roharin 8 months ago
You people are too much. Macedonia was and is Greek. Ancient Macedonia spoke Greek, wrote in Greek and the same Gods...and I could go on. The archeological site of the tomb of Philip was all in Greek. It is sad to see that you are blinded by the globalist that only want to flood you and destroy your identity, your pride your nations. Whether you are Bulgarian, Turk, Albanian, Fyromian, Hellenes. All have some heritage of the past that they should be proud of and preserve.
FreeBeeez 10 months ago 2
ghaghagh This song is Albanian Song!
Genta Ismajli - Kthehu!
Look macedonians have stealen even Albanian SONG!
Fuck monkeydonians!
TheValmirZz 11 months ago
MALAKA VARDASKA I HAVE SO MUCH FUN WITH THIS JOKE !!! YOU LL NEVER BECOME MACEDONIANIANS , TOU LL NEVER BECOME GREEKS. YOU ARE FYROM AND AFTER MAAAAAAAANY YEARS YOU LL BE VARDASKA. THAT DAY YOU LL BE ABLE TO APPLY FOR E.U , NATO ETC.... ASK THE TURKS TO TELL YOU MORE ABOUT ISOLATION. THEY KNOW SOMETHING.
faniskatsanevakis 11 months ago 29
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the first Macedonian state emerged in the 8th or early 7th century BC under the Argead Dynasty, who, according to legend, migrated to the region from the Greek city of Argos in Peloponnesus (thus the name Argead).[7] The Macedonian tribe ruled by the Argeads, was itself called Argead (which translates as "descended from Argos")
duckdodgerss 11 months ago
There's a solution for macedonia, be annexed by greece.
Ascensiam 11 months ago
8macedon8 / Geekygeeky/ QyBulGirl
the same australian pithikas !!!
xaxaxaaaa,,,, NO MACEDONIA , FOR THE FYROMONKEYS !!!!
FYROMINJA 11 months ago
@8Macedon8 To mouni ths mana sou palio malaka. Ante re thelete kai thn makedonia, me poion tropo thelete na mas thn parete ee??? Gia pes mas mounaki. Gia pante na breite kamia douleia me 37% anergia kai meta na milate epideis oloi edw sthn ellada erxosaste gia doulies. Oust! ELLAS GIA PANTA!
GreekExchange 11 months ago
WHAT A CROCK OF SHIT...LOL
IF TO BE MACEDONIAN IS TO CALL
ONES SELF GREEK?
WELL I THINK TO BE A MODERN DAY GREEK
IS AN INSULT AND I WOULD BE ASHAMED
TO BE A GREEK<macedonian
PROUD TO BE A MACEDONIAN greek THOUGH
MACEDONIA TO THE MACEDONIANS
MACEDONIAN ABOVE ALL!
KATALAVES MALAKA TOURKOMANI?
8Macedon8 11 months ago
Macedonia is a Greek word-Non-Greeks calling themselves Macedonian are bulgarian slavs and thiefs of Greece's History
5hitter 11 months ago
FYROM will never be macedonia. MACEDONIA IS greek!!!
lemonnis 11 months ago
In a letter to Prof. Marin Drinov of May 25, 1888 Kuzman Shapkarev writes:
"But even stranger is the name Macedonians, which was imposed on us only 10 to 15 years ago by outsiders,
and not as something by our own intellectuals... Yet the people in Macedonia know nothing of that ancient name,
reintroduced today with a cunning aim on the one hand and a? stupid one on the other.(Makedonski pregled, IX, 2, 1934, p. 55)
FYROmonkey1 1 year ago
You (AlvanoVlacho SlavoTurks) were called Romioi.
Not Greeks are not Greek
!
istoriify 1 year ago
@istoriify Den psofises akomei re stoudi ? 8a se 8apsoume stin ManaBulgariasou ...
Istorylies 1 year ago
@istoriify pssst theres a price on ur head,,we hate squatters,,go back2Bulgaria
ratzP 9 months ago
For over 2000 years thereafter, there has not been even one documented reference claiming an ethnic Macedonian identity.
During 2046 years of recorded history, i.e. from 168 B.C. up until 1878 A.D.,
there is no evidence of the existence of a Macedonian ethnic consciousness.
There is no evidence of the existence of a Macedonian language
FYROmonkey1 1 year ago
@FYROmonkey1 Ellines den yenniesai _ Ellines yinesai
istoriify 1 year ago
@istoriify is a Greek Nationalist with a Bulgarian ethnicity .
and a profetional stone maker ! LOLski
Istorylies 1 year ago
@Istorylies
and you are a professional malaka!
OPA Koki
QTMacGirl 1 year ago
@QTMacGirl But your Father is SERB ??? how can you be Macedonski ?
FYROMINJA 1 year ago
@FYROMINJA
and your grandfather is Turkish? You have a Turkish surname, that makes you a Modern Greek!! OPA , now eat your lil' banana you Ape
QTMacGirl 1 year ago
@QTMacGirl My heritage goes back to Alexander the Great , as I am Greek , and Macedonian ..
you are missing 1000 years to your link . LOLski . No Macedonia for the Austalianpi8ikas .
FYROMINJA 1 year ago
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All History lies have a time limit and so the FYR of Macedonia lie soon will turn to a nightmare for the Brainwashed history victims Bulgarian Slavs .
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HISTORY DO NOT LIE.
FACT.
FYROmonkey1 1 year ago 2
@Greekmonkey1
"If you repeat a lie long enough, then it becomes truth" - Gayson BullshitzALOTglou aka Kokstas67badbreath
ItsGreekyGeeky 11 months ago
ALBANIAN SONG
GENTA ISMAJLI - KTHEHU
/watch?v=KVKJzNGiBAw
ETHNIC ALBANIA
WEST-MACEDONIA IS ALBANIA
CAMERIA IS ALBANIA
ILLYRIA STILL LIVE - FUCK INVADERS IN OUR LAND !
IllyrianDefender 1 year ago 3
@IllyrianDefender
genta ismaili copy it from the Bulgarian version
MACEDONIAisBULGARIAN 11 months ago
arvanite..hmmm let me remind my self ...if I am not wrong you are supposed to be today a part of greek nation...thus albanian. Luan Krasniqi and sali berisha are your true brothers why you don't want to be albanian? I have also heard that even theodoros kolonotronics or what so ever his name was ...was an albanian too.
fraerot 1 year ago
MACEDONIA WAS PART OF TURKEY, AND ROME AND YUGOSLAVIA. THE WORLD WAS PART OF MACEDONIA. MACEDONIA WILL BE UNITED AND FREE. MACEDONIA WILL NEVER BE GREEK.
makegoHuja 1 year ago
Step 8.
Take your time. Don't hurry, surely the people will hardly understand the foreign culture you want them to adopt.
More probably they never will, unless you force them or make them believe they really belong to this culture.
You can also bet that after 10 years the opponents will forget the whole dispute so you will win by the sui-generis state you created.
makedonjia 1 year ago
Step 7.
Resist to the protesting neighbor. Surely nobody cared to copyright-protect ancient gods, names, heroes. Do not fear, they can't harm you.
In case you name your "tribe" ADIDAS a sue by the company is more than sure. In case you name your tribe 'VALHALLA' or 'ODIN' or 'BONAPARTIA' or even 'WALES' or 'SCOTLAND' there are no laws that can result to your punishment.
Not been accepted by the NGOs is not a big deal: As long as you can keep trading you're safe.
makedonjia 1 year ago
Step 6.
Start renaming everything according to names that belong to this ancient nation you want to imitate. Cities, airports, food, music: What is makedonska gaida? the bulgarian gaida playing in "makedoneya". Makedonsko salad, makedonsko this, makedonski that, makedonuts, makedonalds and all the possible combinations to ensure your 'nation' will learn his own new name.
makedonjia 1 year ago
Step 4.
Suppress the opposition. Whoever does not accept the new truth is enemy of the state.
(See the case of Spaska Mitreva, a famous example)
Step 5.
Pay a bunch of loser scientists or non-scientists for research and publications that help your lie grow under a scientific-looking manner.
"Risto Stefov: our saviour!"(sic). Risto has studied NOTHING but is the leader of the historical research of the FYROM team of historians (!)
makedonjia 1 year ago
Step 3.
Start a big lie. "You are no more Yugoslavians, but you are the Macedonians. See, even GOD tells you speaking on T.V."
A big lie that's repeated all the time will sooner or later, result to be the only truth [for the manipulated folks].
(Joseph Goebbels, the codifier of the art of Propaganda)
makedonjia 1 year ago
Step 2.
Try to locate all the missing or loose parts of this history, including mysteries and myths that cannot be verified so you can claim from the safety of the unexplored part of the story.
Example: The Greeks killed all the elephants.
Proof: Did you see any elephant in Greece? no? i told you the truth. When someone replies that elephants never existed in Greece, tell him that he is gay and change topic.
makedonjia 1 year ago
Step 1.
Find a neighboring country with glorious history then learn the basics of this history: Facts, names, dates.
makedonjia 1 year ago
"How to create your Nationality in ten simple steps"
By Risto Stefov, Tendov, Boshevski, Redzepova and Gruevski
Considering that you already have an assembly of various people from different ethnicities that were living all together behind the "Iron Curtain" under a flag of some totalitarian regime.
After the ruling of people under the "people's republic" is no more acceptable, a new way of manipulation is needed to keep these people together.
makedonjia 1 year ago
Republic of Macedonia is a free nation.
Tough luck!
Get over it!
VonLincoln1 1 year ago
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Even Gotse Deltchev,the famous Macedonian revolutionary leader,whose nome de guerre was Ahil (Achilles) "refers to the Slavs of Macedonia as 'Bulgarians' in an offhanded manner without seeming to indicate that such a designation was a point of contention" (Perry 1988:23).In his correspondence Gotse Deltchev often states simple and clearly,"We are Bulgarians" (Mac Dermott 1978:192,273).
trisnna9801 1 year ago
F.Y.R.O.M. was stole the flag of Macedonia (Greece )....... Is the same flag that is red only from the rear instead of blue .....And the badge is the same of Vergina :@..
Jimmys1113 1 year ago
hahahaha...pretty funny cuz it says the TRUTH.i woulf feel shame if i would be a vardasker!
o0oD4n1so0o 1 year ago
Yes i agree that they are fake but please change your fucking name because THATS ALBANIAN NOT GREEK - ARVANITE COMON CANT YOU READ!
KaxiLaxi 1 year ago
Πολύ ωραίο βίντεο φίλε μου, μπράβο σου.
GeorgeGR8 1 year ago
from Slav to English..
" When people do not respect us (slavs) we are sharply offended; yet deep down in his private heart no (Slav) man much respects himself. "
trustmeU2needhelp 1 year ago
HISTORY LESSON
FYROM
IS NOT MASEDONIA!
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(FYROM is part of SERBIA)...(MACEDONIA IS IN GREECE:)
GrowUPist 1 year ago
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ARVANITES ARE GREEKS THE MACEDONIA IS NOT COUNTRY
MACEDONIANS ARE GREEK PEOPLE
unfukkkmee 1 year ago
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Bulgarian friends when they return crying back .. do not accept them ... so that they go down in history as those who have no ancestors
duckdodgerss 1 year ago
You still won't have anything, and you definitely won't have the name of Macedonian, because your not. Have your choice...Vardaskans, Skops, but you will never have the name Macedonian. You don't even want to be called Bulgarians, which is where your ancestors are from, but the proud Bulgarians don't even want you.
1Maniatis 1 year ago
Q: How would you feel if no one knew of you?
A: I would fuck the entire world and put it in the palm of my had. But I would have to be Macedonian to do that.
shockolanu 1 year ago
Read The Latest News... F.Y.R.O.M today... Science ...2000.
" FYR slavs skeletons" may belong to an unknown ancestor of monkeys | Science ...2000.
GrowUPist 1 year ago
Vardasians will stay vardar-ians fyrom-ianers no matter what they country will be called.
halobed2 1 year ago
we turks cant read a single letter on ottoman coins 100 years old.
we dont care!
so its normal that macedonians cant read coins 4000 years old.
macedonians has destroyed thebians and athenians.if they were greeks would they destroy their brothers?
they have used greek language its true because hellenic civilisation was at the top at those times.and alexander had greek teachers and spoke greek.some ottomans had greek teachers too and atatürk has spoken fluent greek but he beat greeks.
archerarcher222 1 year ago