Still an impressive performance, but one factual inaccuracy: a Karate gi is easier to grip than a judo gi (and easier to choke someone with). It's just flimsier and will tear from repeated throws. A good judo gi has a very stiff collars specifically to make it harder for other people to grip you in competition.
Se considera que es la primera pelea "MMA." de la historia de EE.UU. Aunque hay antecedentes más remotos como la pelea entre John Sullivan y John Muldoon en 1887.
Hubba Hubba!!! Check out the hot babe at 1:50, isn't that what's her name? I've seen her fight in women's MMA matches. She is good and hot!!!! Isn't she Brazilian?
And Judas fucking priest people...GOOGLE HIS FUCKING BIO. The man is 165lbs.
It's not that fucking hard to look something up. Speed Bag gloves have metal in them...at the end of his career, Savage was fighting at 160+ two-thirds of the time, the rules were bullshit, and LeBell competed at 165 lbs. All that info is literally keystrokes away. It's not like I'm making this shit up...you can CONFIRM it.
Yawn. None of this was mixed martial arts. The poster has no clue what he is talking about. The word "MMA" didn't even exist prior to UFC 3. Discipline vs Discipline always existed and UFC was best known for it. MMA is simply incorporating different fighting methods into your game, not simply TKD vs Boxing etc.
@puzzypirate The girl Gina Carano? She's even in a movie coming out. She's a woman's MMA champion, I believe. Never seen it on cable, and still want to.
@IpMan19 Two days for you to come up with crap like that, did you ask your mum to help you with the reply, you looser!
Your crying and making little videos about Gene and if he taught Bruce Lee..dude get a life!
Even if he didnt teach Bruce as im sure they exchanged ideas you cannot deny he knows his stuff, until you have your own videos on here shut your mouth! I actually think your weirdly obsessed with Gene, you may need help!
@IpMan19 What!? That doesnt even make sense,if your going to insult me at least make it good freak! Im not the one who has taken my time to make videos of Gene and put comments on them,your sad! You probably never even trained in your life and sit behind your keyboard spanking your little monkey over Gene! But when your realised you cant have him you turned on him,your a weirdo! Not you watch IpMan over and over trying to learn the moves so maybe you could over power Gene and have your way!
Your mum screw with Gene as she's not satisfied with your dad's little monkey. Gene is the big guy that can feed her up, as your grandmum as your sister.
@IpMan19 I now see that your actaully just a child,with a very imature mind. I feel sorry for you and your obsession with Gene and if he taught Bruce Lee or not, I myselfy have bigger things to deal with in life,you dont! as you have no friends or family, nobody wants you so you spend night after night making videos about Gene, you are very sad and we all feel sorry for you,your a freak a weirdo,very strange individual. All you can repsond with is ya mum this, ya grandmum that...your a joke!
@Ninety9Soulz There were no brass knuckles ferchissake. Milo wore cut off speed bag gloves and had to wear a gi top. He was badly outweighed and it still took Gene four rounds to catch him.
@Paytience3721 No, speed bag gloves do NOT have metal in them, you've obviously never hit a speed bag. What you're talking about are old style training gloves designed to be used with a HEAVY BAG not a speed bag.
@Paytience3721 Actually, not all bag gloves have metal in them. Go educate yourself before you spout off. Everlast for instance, one of the oldest and most respected boxing equipment companies, makes gloves specifically for the speed bag and for the heavy bag and labels them as such. The gloves you're talking about are very old school and for learning to punch properly on the heavy bag with well wrapped hands. Go train and shut the fuck up.
@Paytience3721 First of all, there will be no more private communications. If you're going to make a fool of yourself (again) you're going to do it in public. Of Savage's last ten fights, 6 were fought above 160. Of ALL his 105 fights only 25 were at a weight over 160. This does NOT constitute "routine" and NONE were in excess of the super middleweight 168 limit. This means that he NEVER fought light heavyweight and that makes you a LIAR! Gene LeBell of course, competed at HEAVYWEIGHT!
Forget about that shit called Paytience3721, he'd just listen to whatever Gene LeBell told him. If Gene said he fought at 60lbs then it's solid 60lbs to him as long as he can feel warm at Gene LeBell's scrotum.
@IpMan19 Hety Mac, how about you acknowledge both the the Milo Savage record, AND the link the speed bag gloves I sent you that clearly stated there was a metal bar on them? No? Didn't think so...you're full of shit and don;t know what you're talking about.
@Paytience3721 Judo competitions have an absolute category...this is the heavyweight. There is no limit, and there is no minimum. LeBell competed absolute, at 165lbs.
@MrMZaccone Of his LAST 20 fights, which is the period where this bout was fought, 12 were over 160 lbs...aaannnnddd he fought Cleo Frazier at 168 lbs. All this is right there on the record I sent you. You are straight FUCKING LYING if you deny that.
@Paytience3721 I never saw a judo belt ripped in half, can you link me to that? (of course not). As for your link to the gloves you insist are speed bag gloves and your insistence that "bag gloves have metal bars running through them." and "These are ANY bag gloves. They don't make specialized Heavy Bag gloves." That's another LIE! EVEN ON THE PAGE YOU LINKED ME TO THERE ARE SPEED BAG GLOVES WITHOUT METAL AND SPECIALIZED HEAVY BAG GLOVES, YOU MORON!!! Go read the fucking thing.
@Paytience3721Milo Savage was a middleweight not L.H. That means under 160. LeBell on the other hand competed in Judo at heavyweight and don't try to tell me the man in the video weighs 165, it's laughable. LeBell not allowed to "slam or shoot"?, show me those rules documented somewhere even remotely official. Until then, you're just making shit up. Savage Greased? He's wearing a gi top so who cares? Sounds to me like you're the one that doesn't know what he's talking about.
The fact that they put a gi-top on the boxer for Gene easier to get hold of him already tells who was more favoured by the rules. Just those stupid fanboys don't want to face the truth and still think Gene is a legend and a pioneer of MMA.
@IpMan19 I have no doubt that Gene LeBell is a great guy and was once a formidable athlete. I just get sick of the living legend bullshit no matter who does it. Helio Gracie's stories about Kimura, LeBell's Stories about this fight etc., Stories about Bruce Lee that have no basis in fact, Seagal's stories about the Yakuza etc. etc. etc. All I've got to say is ... Keep it real! Thanks for the post.
Well, I actually sent that video to Gene LeBell in his website by email. And in the message I said:
"I'm not interested in any of your product but I'd like to buy a picture not of TV or movie scenes showing both you and Bruce Lee together. You mentioned in many ocassions that you and Bruce Lee were great friends and share many techniques from cross training, so you must be able to show us some."
But till now I've received no reply from Gene LeBell. Very sloppy isn't it?
@IpMan19 Could be. I studied with Royce Gracie for 7 months, five days a week and I don't have any pictures of myself with him either. I do have some great pictures of myself with his father, Helio and I only studied with him for a week. Funny how we don't know what we're going to value years from now but I won't argue with you, I get your point.
That's probably becoz Royce Gracie only treated you as his student, like many others, but not a great friend. But I need to clarify that I'm not saying it's 100% impossible that Bruce Lee acquired some skills from Gene LeBell. However, I just feel that their relationship is somehow exaggerated by Gene LeBell.
Like Bruce Lee never mentioned anything about Gene LeBell, not even in any articles or books that he had written.
@IpMan19 Gene is nothing special either, but he still kicks bruce's ass. Even Steven seagal would break bruce lee's wrists. Cyborg Santos would break bruce's nose and put him to sleep. Bruce lee was just a movie star in good shape, that's it. Your god is dead and wasn't anything special when he was alive, you should stop worshipping him :)
@IpMan19 Neither was the boxer? That's fucking fine because the boxer is still allowed to use HIS ENTIRE Repertoire. LeBell wasn't. All this showed was that a boxer could survive if the martial was fundamentally by the rules.
@MrMZaccone I'd post a link, but YT isn't letting me for some reason.
As for the gloves, look up ANY speed bag gloves right now; I guarantee it says there is a metal bar extending across the pal for grip. Back in the day, this metal wrapped around the knuckles and then padded, and wrapped in leather, because the foams weren't durable enough to take the abuse then. LOOK IT UP.
It's frightening obvious that none of you have ever strapped on a pair of gloves.
Gene is Judo, no matter kicks are allowed or not that wouldn't make any difference. The point is Gene was allowed to apply all 4 limbs whereas the boxer was only to punches.
@IpMan19 You probably also have an excuse for the James Toney and Randy Couture fight. I'm not gonna argue with you man, even if you resort to name calling, you have your opinion and I have mine and nothing either of us can say here will change our opinions.
If the allegations were true, Gene wasn't fighting a boxer, he was fighting a street fighter. Hell, with brass knucks under leather gloves I'd take on pretty much any striker. Leather cuts through skin like butter and the knucks crush bones. Don't even need a lot of skill; just got to land once and they're done.
You may say that Milo was out of his prime, but Gene was too. He was 31 and hadn't competed for several years. Boxing, as good as it is, alone doesn't match very well against judo.
nobody proved the point of grappler vs boxer more than randy couture vs james toney toney was a current champion in boxing when he took the fight with couture and was dominated no boxer will do well in mma unless they have a chuck liddel style takedown defense they will lose frequently
By this point, Savage was a completely washed up professional boxer. He was ranked #5 by Ring Magazine but it was MANY YEARS BEFORE THIS MATCH. So this match is Gene Lebell vs a very washed up fighter.
Not to take away from Lebell. He's a great grappler and actually had training as a boxer as his father owned a boxing gym.
i like the end,, that was the first time i saw him,, my cousin sends me his new dvd big dvd of combat and there he was,,and bas was taping,,he he he then you geth movies like this bouth guys are crazy :)
También hay que recordar los desafíos "Merikan" que se hacían en Japón a principios del siglo XX y las victorias de Huo Yuanjia contra contendientes de diferentes estilos de artes marciales o deportes de contacto a fines del siglo XIX.
Se considera simbólicamente la primera pelea de "MMA", pero hay que recordar; primero al desafío Gracie que se hacía en Brasil desde 1922; los combates del Conde Maeda y dos luchas poco conocidas: el primero campeón pesado de la historia John Sullivan contra el campeón de lucha grecorromana: William Mooldon y el combate entre Bob Fitzsimmons vs. Ernest Roeber (1887 y 1890 respectivamente)
bottom line is, if a striker can't effectively defend against takedowns and grapples then he will lose. if a grappler can't effectively defend against strikes then he will lose
I have his dvds and use to have his encyclopedia of finishing holds it shows over 400 moves from him Gokor and more there is the regular book and the expanded one you might can find all of those at amazon.
I think everyone knows that Mike Tyson could probably mess up Gene Lebell Or any Heavyweight boxer who isn't 43 and has 45 losses, Savage was good at one time, but definitely not hear. Gene would have been knockoed out several times already in an actual fight with a boxer. I like Judo though, I think it's neat. But my friend has done Judo and he does MMA. But he can't handle any of the boxers hes trained with He's tried though.
Grapplers win fair fights 1v1 but you need standup skills if you get ur hands full with 5 guys, or you could just bring 4 friends that you grapple with and choke everyone of them out
i think ufc answered the triker vs grappler thing grapplers kick ass in 1vs1 but strikers are better for the street were your oponents are more than 1
@onimas1 james toney is probably the best boxer to fight in the ufc and the former middleweight (160lb) and super middle (168lb) champion weighed in at 237lbs of solid blubber after "training hard" for a matter of weeks in his first mma bout. you know how many jujitsu and judo "experts" have been knocked out cold by club boxers? think about it, how much do the top mma fighters get? a fraction of the top boxers. so why would a top boxer waste his time in the ufc unless he can't get paid to box?
@sucracristo they dont bother to go to ufc becouse they cant win if they dont lear grappling or some takedown deffence i saw a figth in ufc of a boxer veteran and a mma vetern it was over in 2 min and the loser was the boxer it was a black guy i dont remeber his name tho
@onimas1 manny pacquiao makes more than all mma fighters combined, but after all, grapplers CHOOSE to basically remain amateur fighters because of the superiority of their sport, right? they are choosing not to make 10 times as much money, right? mma is still evolving, and still more like a cult with low participation and low viewership compared to boxing and that bothers them. i like judo and boxing and have participated in both, but the contempt goes one way. grapplers are jealous
Savage's punch power was limited by his gloves, if no gloves were worn, those punches at Gene's chest & waist would have him killed long before the match lasts to the 4th round.
@IpMan19 yea you wouldnt want that lmao.........a bare knuckle boxing match from a pro fighter is not pretty and not fair. especially at that speed of a welterweight lmao
@IpMan19 he was wearing open fingers-type of gloves (similar to modern mma gloves). they don't limit your striking + brass knuckles .... Listen to the video.
open-finger gloves are still gloves they are used to protect the boxers' hands and reduce the level of injury to his oppoent, if not, why should they even bother to wear them? No one can stand the raw punches from a heavy boxer though Gene LeBell is regarded the toughest asshole exist on earth.
No, gloves are designed to reduce some force on impact. Also, there are rules against the boxer with which he can't punch the back and below the waist of his opponent. But in a real fight all it'll be different. Just take a look how many times that Gene had exposed himself for the boxer, yet the rules were doing his favour.
@IpMan19 you can't complain about "rules" because if Gene was fighting under "Judo Sport" rules he would have gotten penalized like 10 times. If the boxer didn't take advantage of the situation, that's his problem. Gene capitalized on the situation and didn't fight this fight like a "sport judo" guy. He fought using Judo for the streets and won. Secondly, yes gloves that size are meant to reduce impact, not speed as what you originally said.
@IpMan19 Did you miss the part where Milo was wearing brass knuckles?
Or for that matter, the part where he was greased up, wearing the wrong kind of gi?
He cheated like a motherfucker and still got choked like a bitch. So don't start bullshitting about rules not being in his favour, he was ignoring them anyway...
Sounds like staged hype to me. Why do they always fight boxers who are in their 40's ? I'm not saying Lebelle isn't great, I'm just saying the description and events sound more like WWF than an actual fight.
extremely interesting, the throw was not Hari Goshi (Sweeping Hip Throw) it was a Tai Otoshi (Body Drop) or Koshi Guruma (Hip Wheel), but excellent info, I just wanted to point out it was not a hari goshi because both feet were planted when he threw person over. also stepping on beaten opponent who throws a challenge comes from Vale Todu competitions (means everything goes) from Brazil which I am sure Gene knew about, it is a statement of there I owned you. thank again for video and info.
Esta se considera el primer combate MMA de EE.UU.; los antecedentes más directos son los combates de los hermanos Gracie (Carlos y Helio, el último creador del estilo Jiujitsu brasileño) en Brasil contra luchadores de capoeira, boxeo y otros estilos, también hay que recordar a Maeda y a Huo Yinjia que luchó a principios del siglo XX contra luchadores de varios estilos. En la época contemporánea también hay que darle crédito a Rusia con la creación del Sambo (que reúne estilos de Asia y Europa)
milo savage was 43 with a pro record of 49 wins and 45 losses. making him out to be a world class fighter is a stretch. mitsuyo maeda, aka conde koma, father of gracie "brazilian" jujitsu, traveled around the world competing in mma "no holds barred" exhibitions, winning over 2,000 pro fights. he traveled the US in 1905. it was this experience competing against boxers and wrestlers and football players that helped him develop a broader approach to fighting that the gracies evolved into modern mma
@sucracristo excellent info, Mitsuyo Maeda, aka Conde Koma (means bad luck, pro wrestling name from the shoot pro wrestling of then which was nothing like today's. Mitasuyao Maeda was one of Professor's Hiro kano's top student sent as an ambassador of Judo but he loved challenge matches as story goes and Kano disapproved of that because of old rivalry between modern Judo and traditional Ju-jitsu. Ju-jitsu was almost outlawed after end of samurai era, Judo won in police academy match which end
@xxTRUTHxx1 "if milo was born in august of 1926..." boxrec has savage's birthdate as august of 1924. i also have seen articles of this exhibition listed it as in december of 1963 and also in 1964 and even later. savage would have been no less than 39 (probably older). no matter the age, he could not even get work as a sparring partner. he only fought one more time in 1970 to a draw against a 6-3 club fighter. as i mentioned, savage lost 45 fights and had 10 draws and was done in boxing.
@sucracristo wrong the Gracies DID NOT create modern mma, earlier versions had already been around such as Pankration by the Greeks as well as other fighting styled used by Romans that largely represented the mma we know today. Gracies did not evolve modern mma, they just utilized a different system of ju-jitsu, coined Brazilian Ju-jitsu, in which yes they did form a different form of wrestling, but rest assured did not create mma
@MrJasonekos thanks professor but the gracies actually arranged the first UFC fights. to talk about pankration in ancient greece as if that is closer to modern mma than the actual individuals who organized and competed in the early UFC is pretty stupid.
@sucracristo wait so arranging a sport makes it more official? UFC is only an organization, it did not create a sport, thats like saying swimming wasn't a sport until it was publically organized. Second of all pankration from Ancient Greece actually is more similar to modern mma because it utilized wrestling and kickboxing while brazilian ju-jitsu is only one aspect, which is why Joyce Gracie, after while, had difficulty winning fights because he only relied on ju-jitsu. And im not a professor
@MrJasonekos i said the gracies helped "evolve" the sport, not created the sport, so you're arguing with the voices in your head. you lecture people like you're a professor. rorion gracie organized the first UFC cards and his brother ROYCE gracie (there is no "joyce") competed. you talk like nobody has ever heard about pankration. dude, that's not modern. you weren't there. i brought up the gracies and maeda because of the video topic, modern mma. look up the definition of beligerance
@sucracristo i was trying to point out they evolved one aspect of the sport not all of it, kickboxing had already begun to be developed by this time anyway, yeah i know the Gracies for a large part started a move towards organized MMA but with that being said Gracies are definetly not the only ones that cen be given credit towards the progress of mma. And that's how i debate, i can't help it if i sound like a conceited professor
@sucracristo The claim was that any boxer could beat a Judo man. Gene LeBell was not the greatest Judoka on the planet at the time, I reckon. Similarly, Milo was not top of the heap in boxing.
@sucracristo the gracies invented gracie jiu jitsu, not mma. Mixed martial arts as we know them is a different story than bjj, dont over credit the gracies dawg. theres enough mythos surrounding them as it is.
I knew about this fight Years ago and the was no mention of Mediocre Mincing Arts MMA These guys were classically trained that is something you don't know about
Sorry to say, this wasnt the first American mma match, you can argue the boxer vs wrestler confrontation between bob fitzsimmons and a graeco roman champion, as well as Sullivan vs Muldoon.
brass knuckles? lmao brass knuckles wouldnt even fit under a glove and if i wore brass knuckles no judo mma jiu jitsu black belt dude would even come close to taking me down! Gene Lebell is a legend but cmon now brass knuckles my ass and milo savage is a nobody i would love to see him against SRR or Foreman! Isnt Gene Lebell like 200 pounds and now he wrestles bears oh my god Bruce would kick his ass!
@MangaMoogleMan You may like to see here in YT Olympic Judo Champion Yoshida choking out Royce. Also you will see Royce competing in the California State Judo Championships. Of course it's the one and only match he won, never placed, double elminations. The state Judo champs are qualifiers for the US Judo Nationals is where you see all the US Olymipians and top American international competitors. Interesting you bet! ;D
MMA talks alot of trash Boxing was originally more brutal then it is today alot less rules. Probably anything went. Do the gracies still compete? Id like to see the best grapplers fight like Rickson Gracie and Gokor as well as Bas Rutten fight the best fighters of today.
@Mider999 Helio's sons don't compete anymore, they've put in enough work so they instruct now. Most of the grandsons compete though, some of them teach as well, like Rorion's sons.
Still an impressive performance, but one factual inaccuracy: a Karate gi is easier to grip than a judo gi (and easier to choke someone with). It's just flimsier and will tear from repeated throws. A good judo gi has a very stiff collars specifically to make it harder for other people to grip you in competition.
maofas 6 days ago
Se considera que es la primera pelea "MMA." de la historia de EE.UU. Aunque hay antecedentes más remotos como la pelea entre John Sullivan y John Muldoon en 1887.
rbrtdornel 1 week ago
Box sucks
rallyivan1234 4 weeks ago
@rallyivan1234 boxes
tricepsish 2 weeks ago
Ali vs. Inoki was not in "america" ... in was in Japan
lumberg48108 1 month ago
4 rounds to beat up a boxer with a 49-46-10 record? It is a good job he weren't facing someone decent.
anthayes1 1 month ago
Thanks Nerd!
IamCastIronMan 1 month ago
Like
kinglober 1 month ago
omg its hilarious how he threw water on that guys pants when he was out.
3Storm 1 month ago
Sorry to correct you, but that ( 04:43) isnt a harai goshi, thats tai otoshi (aka. the body drop),
MursuTheMan 1 month ago
Hubba Hubba!!! Check out the hot babe at 1:50, isn't that what's her name? I've seen her fight in women's MMA matches. She is good and hot!!!! Isn't she Brazilian?
aspenrebel 2 months ago
@aspenrebel: Yeah, Kyra Gracie... World Champion in Jiu-Jitsu. She doesn't fight MMA. Born and raised in Rio.
allexcosta 1 month ago
Gene DESTROYED that nigger lol
Stigmableedingblack 2 months ago
And Judas fucking priest people...GOOGLE HIS FUCKING BIO. The man is 165lbs.
It's not that fucking hard to look something up. Speed Bag gloves have metal in them...at the end of his career, Savage was fighting at 160+ two-thirds of the time, the rules were bullshit, and LeBell competed at 165 lbs. All that info is literally keystrokes away. It's not like I'm making this shit up...you can CONFIRM it.
Paytience3721 2 months ago
he retired because he realized boxing isnt real fighting ! hahaha
KempoKyushoMuayThai 3 months ago
Yawn. None of this was mixed martial arts. The poster has no clue what he is talking about. The word "MMA" didn't even exist prior to UFC 3. Discipline vs Discipline always existed and UFC was best known for it. MMA is simply incorporating different fighting methods into your game, not simply TKD vs Boxing etc.
MPA2000 3 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Inoki vs Ali was did not take place in America
puffykilled2pac 3 months ago
fantastic.
acieh804 3 months ago
1:50 i need to know who that is
puzzypirate 3 months ago
@puzzypirate kyra gracie
rangerjohn 3 months ago
@rangerjohn thanks
puzzypirate 3 months ago
@puzzypirate The girl Gina Carano? She's even in a movie coming out. She's a woman's MMA champion, I believe. Never seen it on cable, and still want to.
brucenatelee 2 months ago
He had brass knuckles on, that alone says it all......
Locked29 3 months ago
@Locked29 There were no brass knuckles.
MrMZaccone 3 months ago
@Locked29
brass knuckles ??
How did the commentator know? Had he got a picture of the gloves worn by that boxer?
Or because he's the commentator, so if he say the boxer had metal spikes then there were metal spike on the gloves?
IpMan19 2 months ago
steven segal invented mma
im2PacsFather 4 months ago
@im2PacsFather so why did he let this guy choke him out?
Ih8thePolice 4 months ago
@Ih8thePolice hes too nice of a guy :|
im2PacsFather 4 months ago
@im2PacsFather Steven Seagal invented kaka in his pants when getting choked out
DancingSpiderman 4 months ago 13
@DancingSpiderman
Both Gene LeBell & Steven Seagal are equally shit. These shits aren't really worth the fames they have.
IpMan19 2 months ago
@IpMan19 What a load of crap, Gene Lebell has an awesome pedigree. You know nothing.
gojuryudan 1 month ago
@gojuryudan
Gene Lebell has an awesome pedigree in the eyes of stupid people like you
IpMan19 1 month ago
@IpMan19 Two days for you to come up with crap like that, did you ask your mum to help you with the reply, you looser!
Your crying and making little videos about Gene and if he taught Bruce Lee..dude get a life!
Even if he didnt teach Bruce as im sure they exchanged ideas you cannot deny he knows his stuff, until you have your own videos on here shut your mouth! I actually think your weirdly obsessed with Gene, you may need help!
gojuryudan 1 month ago
@gojuryudan
I know you are so fond of this weird Gene LeBell & his dick which you grew up next to. That's what you & your mum never able get away from.
IpMan19 1 month ago
@IpMan19 What!? That doesnt even make sense,if your going to insult me at least make it good freak! Im not the one who has taken my time to make videos of Gene and put comments on them,your sad! You probably never even trained in your life and sit behind your keyboard spanking your little monkey over Gene! But when your realised you cant have him you turned on him,your a weirdo! Not you watch IpMan over and over trying to learn the moves so maybe you could over power Gene and have your way!
gojuryudan 1 month ago
@gojuryudan
Your mum screw with Gene as she's not satisfied with your dad's little monkey. Gene is the big guy that can feed her up, as your grandmum as your sister.
IpMan19 4 weeks ago
@IpMan19 I now see that your actaully just a child,with a very imature mind. I feel sorry for you and your obsession with Gene and if he taught Bruce Lee or not, I myselfy have bigger things to deal with in life,you dont! as you have no friends or family, nobody wants you so you spend night after night making videos about Gene, you are very sad and we all feel sorry for you,your a freak a weirdo,very strange individual. All you can repsond with is ya mum this, ya grandmum that...your a joke!
gojuryudan 4 weeks ago
So Gene wasn't allowed to use kicks or chops but Milo could wear fucking brass knuckles? And Gene STILL won?
Ninety9Soulz 4 months ago 29
@Ninety9Soulz There were no brass knuckles ferchissake. Milo wore cut off speed bag gloves and had to wear a gi top. He was badly outweighed and it still took Gene four rounds to catch him.
MrMZaccone 3 months ago
@MrMZaccone it took for rounds because he greased up like a politician's palm,
and LeBell wasn't allowed to slam or shoot...this left him with the option
of clinching a greasy opponent, and using a gi throw or sweep.
Also, he wasn't "badly outweighed" at all. Gene LeBell was 165 lbs; Milo Savage
was a LHW boxer, meaning he was between 169-175 lbs. So basically, you don't
know wtf you're talking about.
Paytience3721 2 months ago
Also, speed bag gloves have fucking metal inside them.
Paytience3721 2 months ago
@Paytience3721
Yeah! they have metal inside to make the gloves heavier and reduce the punch speed.
What an idiot you are?
IpMan19 2 months ago
@Paytience3721 No, speed bag gloves do NOT have metal in them, you've obviously never hit a speed bag. What you're talking about are old style training gloves designed to be used with a HEAVY BAG not a speed bag.
MrMZaccone 2 months ago
@MrMZaccone Yes the do...bag gloves have metal bars running through them.
These are ANY bag gloves. They don't make specialized Heavy Bag gloves.
That's retarded...you have bag gloves, which you use o sway and speed bag gloves.
They are lighter, and have a metal rod running through them. you're talking out of your ass...you use sparring gloves for Heavy bag work.
Paytience3721 2 months ago
@Paytience3721 Actually, not all bag gloves have metal in them. Go educate yourself before you spout off. Everlast for instance, one of the oldest and most respected boxing equipment companies, makes gloves specifically for the speed bag and for the heavy bag and labels them as such. The gloves you're talking about are very old school and for learning to punch properly on the heavy bag with well wrapped hands. Go train and shut the fuck up.
MrMZaccone 2 months ago
@MrMZaccone No, go look up title and everlast or title speed bag gloves RIGHT NOW,
and I guarantee you it says there is a Metal grip in them.
And I know the ones I'm talking about are old school...THIS IS AN OLD SCHOOL FIGHT.
Judas fucking priest, the man ripped a Judo belt in half. you don't do the with knuckles or just wrapped hands.
Paytience3721 2 months ago
@Paytience3721 I sent you a link, I'll be sending others since they won't let me do so here.
Paytience3721 2 months ago
@Paytience3721 First of all, there will be no more private communications. If you're going to make a fool of yourself (again) you're going to do it in public. Of Savage's last ten fights, 6 were fought above 160. Of ALL his 105 fights only 25 were at a weight over 160. This does NOT constitute "routine" and NONE were in excess of the super middleweight 168 limit. This means that he NEVER fought light heavyweight and that makes you a LIAR! Gene LeBell of course, competed at HEAVYWEIGHT!
MrMZaccone 2 months ago
@MrMZaccone
Forget about that shit called Paytience3721, he'd just listen to whatever Gene LeBell told him. If Gene said he fought at 60lbs then it's solid 60lbs to him as long as he can feel warm at Gene LeBell's scrotum.
IpMan19 2 months ago
@IpMan19 Hety Mac, how about you acknowledge both the the Milo Savage record, AND the link the speed bag gloves I sent you that clearly stated there was a metal bar on them? No? Didn't think so...you're full of shit and don;t know what you're talking about.
Paytience3721 2 months ago
@Paytience3721
You didn't send me any link, learn what you're talking about retard.
IpMan19 2 months ago
@IpMan19 Notice where I said "hey MAC"
Paytience3721 2 months ago
@Paytience3721 Which was actually my bad, because I guess it would be "MZac"
Paytience3721 2 months ago
@MrMZaccone No motherfucekr, I sent you links because I can;t post them here, showing EVIDENCE of what I';m saying.
Paytience3721 2 months ago
@Paytience3721 Gene Lebell competed at 165 dumbass...he never once competed at heavyweight.
Paytience3721 2 months ago
@Paytience3721 Judo competitions have an absolute category...this is the heavyweight. There is no limit, and there is no minimum. LeBell competed absolute, at 165lbs.
Paytience3721 2 months ago
@Paytience3721
Were you there to measure Gene LeBell's balls at their fight? And because his balls read 165lbs so you think that's his body weight.
IpMan19 2 months ago
@MrMZaccone Of his LAST 20 fights, which is the period where this bout was fought, 12 were over 160 lbs...aaannnnddd he fought Cleo Frazier at 168 lbs. All this is right there on the record I sent you. You are straight FUCKING LYING if you deny that.
Paytience3721 2 months ago
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@Paytience3721 I never saw a judo belt ripped in half, can you link me to that? (of course not). As for your link to the gloves you insist are speed bag gloves and your insistence that "bag gloves have metal bars running through them." and "These are ANY bag gloves. They don't make specialized Heavy Bag gloves." That's another LIE! EVEN ON THE PAGE YOU LINKED ME TO THERE ARE SPEED BAG GLOVES WITHOUT METAL AND SPECIALIZED HEAVY BAG GLOVES, YOU MORON!!! Go read the fucking thing.
MrMZaccone 2 months ago
@Paytience3721Milo Savage was a middleweight not L.H. That means under 160. LeBell on the other hand competed in Judo at heavyweight and don't try to tell me the man in the video weighs 165, it's laughable. LeBell not allowed to "slam or shoot"?, show me those rules documented somewhere even remotely official. Until then, you're just making shit up. Savage Greased? He's wearing a gi top so who cares? Sounds to me like you're the one that doesn't know what he's talking about.
MrMZaccone 2 months ago
@MrMZaccone
The fact that they put a gi-top on the boxer for Gene easier to get hold of him already tells who was more favoured by the rules. Just those stupid fanboys don't want to face the truth and still think Gene is a legend and a pioneer of MMA.
IpMan19 2 months ago
@IpMan19 I have no doubt that Gene LeBell is a great guy and was once a formidable athlete. I just get sick of the living legend bullshit no matter who does it. Helio Gracie's stories about Kimura, LeBell's Stories about this fight etc., Stories about Bruce Lee that have no basis in fact, Seagal's stories about the Yakuza etc. etc. etc. All I've got to say is ... Keep it real! Thanks for the post.
MrMZaccone 2 months ago
@MrMZaccone
Well, I actually sent that video to Gene LeBell in his website by email. And in the message I said:
"I'm not interested in any of your product but I'd like to buy a picture not of TV or movie scenes showing both you and Bruce Lee together. You mentioned in many ocassions that you and Bruce Lee were great friends and share many techniques from cross training, so you must be able to show us some."
But till now I've received no reply from Gene LeBell. Very sloppy isn't it?
IpMan19 2 months ago
@IpMan19 Could be. I studied with Royce Gracie for 7 months, five days a week and I don't have any pictures of myself with him either. I do have some great pictures of myself with his father, Helio and I only studied with him for a week. Funny how we don't know what we're going to value years from now but I won't argue with you, I get your point.
MrMZaccone 2 months ago
@MrMZaccone
That's probably becoz Royce Gracie only treated you as his student, like many others, but not a great friend. But I need to clarify that I'm not saying it's 100% impossible that Bruce Lee acquired some skills from Gene LeBell. However, I just feel that their relationship is somehow exaggerated by Gene LeBell.
Like Bruce Lee never mentioned anything about Gene LeBell, not even in any articles or books that he had written.
IpMan19 2 months ago
@IpMan19 u smell pretty
Ninety9Soulz 2 months ago
@Ninety9Soulz
That's your mum who's smelling and she's always right behind to watch you kid.
IpMan19 2 months ago
@IpMan19 Bruce lee sux and would get his azz whooped in women's mma
Ninety9Soulz 2 months ago
@Ninety9Soulz
Al least Bruce Lee didn't need to rely on someone's name to make his own living.
Unlike your Gene LeBell. Are you or your mum also one of his private bitches?
IpMan19 2 months ago
@IpMan19 Gene is nothing special either, but he still kicks bruce's ass. Even Steven seagal would break bruce lee's wrists. Cyborg Santos would break bruce's nose and put him to sleep. Bruce lee was just a movie star in good shape, that's it. Your god is dead and wasn't anything special when he was alive, you should stop worshipping him :)
Ninety9Soulz 2 months ago
@IpMan19 That's fucking retarded...the fact the Gene wasn't allowed to kick,
chops, or even shoot takedowns show you who the rules favored.
And I don't give a fuck how tall he was...divisions are decided by WEIGHT.
Paytience3721 2 months ago
@Paytience3721
Like I said, Gene fought the boxer in judo and what is the difference for a judo bum whether kicks allowed or not?
If Gene wasn't allowed to kick, chops, or even shoot takedowns, neither was the boxer.
Let alone the physical difference, Gene LeBell fought with four limbs you dumbass!!
LoL.. we do think these are some funny dick suckers swinging about Gene LeBell's
testicles and praising him for beating a boxer 15-16 yrs older and was much smaller.
IpMan19 2 months ago
@IpMan19 Neither was the boxer? That's fucking fine because the boxer is still allowed to use HIS ENTIRE Repertoire. LeBell wasn't. All this showed was that a boxer could survive if the martial was fundamentally by the rules.
Paytience3721 2 months ago
@Paytience3721 *fundamentally crippled* by the rules...
Paytience3721 2 months ago
@MrMZaccone
Gene LeBell was nothing great but a legendary self-promotor.
v=u-Iw7wbo_eM
IpMan19 2 months ago
@MrMZaccone
Milo Savage routinely fought at 165, and at this point in his life, it;s laughable to think that he was smaller then his prime.
One of the first rules intorduced was "no tackling" which means no takedowns below the hips=no shooting.
Paytience3721 2 months ago
@MrMZaccone I'd post a link, but YT isn't letting me for some reason.
As for the gloves, look up ANY speed bag gloves right now; I guarantee it says there is a metal bar extending across the pal for grip. Back in the day, this metal wrapped around the knuckles and then padded, and wrapped in leather, because the foams weren't durable enough to take the abuse then. LOOK IT UP.
It's frightening obvious that none of you have ever strapped on a pair of gloves.
Paytience3721 2 months ago
@Paytience3721
Gene LeBell was 165 lbs??
Look at the size difference you dumbass moron. Gene was probably a head taller than the boxer.
If the boxer was 169-175 lbs, Gene was at least 20 lbs more than that.
Also, the boxer was off-prime at the age of 46, but Gene was around 30.
So, fair fight?
Kiss your mum's ass you little boy.
IpMan19 2 months ago
@Ninety9Soulz
Gene is Judo, no matter kicks are allowed or not that wouldn't make any difference. The point is Gene was allowed to apply all 4 limbs whereas the boxer was only to punches.
So, Gene should fuck himself up if he STILL lose.
IpMan19 2 months ago
@IpMan19 You probably also have an excuse for the James Toney and Randy Couture fight. I'm not gonna argue with you man, even if you resort to name calling, you have your opinion and I have mine and nothing either of us can say here will change our opinions.
Ninety9Soulz 2 months ago
@Ninety9Soulz
"nothing either of us can say here will change our opinions."
That's why idiots like you remain idiots forever.
IpMan19 2 months ago
@IpMan19 "So, Gene should fuck himself up if he STILL lose."
watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0
Ninety9Soulz 2 months ago
@Ninety9Soulz
Nice video, that guy perfectly described what you really are.
IpMan19 2 months ago
Do what you don't think boxing is a martial art?
sanchezsalvia1 4 months ago
i used to train under Gene and Gokor at Hayastan in n. hollywood. Great guys- I miss those days
rojoification 4 months ago
@rojoification best you've got some stories to tell....:-)
drgoodspd 4 months ago
If the allegations were true, Gene wasn't fighting a boxer, he was fighting a street fighter. Hell, with brass knucks under leather gloves I'd take on pretty much any striker. Leather cuts through skin like butter and the knucks crush bones. Don't even need a lot of skill; just got to land once and they're done.
WFCoW 4 months ago
You may say that Milo was out of his prime, but Gene was too. He was 31 and hadn't competed for several years. Boxing, as good as it is, alone doesn't match very well against judo.
DirektorMK 5 months ago 2
"I don't believe no boxer can beat any mma fighter" bernard hopkins
marsy91 5 months ago
nobody proved the point of grappler vs boxer more than randy couture vs james toney toney was a current champion in boxing when he took the fight with couture and was dominated no boxer will do well in mma unless they have a chuck liddel style takedown defense they will lose frequently
conkellett1 5 months ago
MMA dates back even earlier if you count no holds barred stuff. Early Pro-Wrestling was really like MMA
puffykilled2pac 5 months ago 2
aaaaaaahh!! annoying audio
NimW 6 months ago
By this point, Savage was a completely washed up professional boxer. He was ranked #5 by Ring Magazine but it was MANY YEARS BEFORE THIS MATCH. So this match is Gene Lebell vs a very washed up fighter.
Not to take away from Lebell. He's a great grappler and actually had training as a boxer as his father owned a boxing gym.
CrusherCurley 6 months ago
i like the end,, that was the first time i saw him,, my cousin sends me his new dvd big dvd of combat and there he was,,and bas was taping,,he he he then you geth movies like this bouth guys are crazy :)
heinvdv 6 months ago
This was a terribly organized fight, but it shut up the boxer.
TheTerrorUforgot 6 months ago
why wear a gi top when your gonna fight a judo guy?!
MrMegaboredom 7 months ago
He fought a professional boxer that was wearing brass knuckles?
wtf? and he beat him?
how is that possible?
Frap357 7 months ago
awesome video but you might have the most annoying voice of all time dude, kick it down a couple db's
footytang 7 months ago
Whenever chuck norris wants to go to sleep, he calls gene lebells to choke him to sleep
hellofaname 7 months ago
También hay que recordar los desafíos "Merikan" que se hacían en Japón a principios del siglo XX y las victorias de Huo Yuanjia contra contendientes de diferentes estilos de artes marciales o deportes de contacto a fines del siglo XIX.
rbrtdornel 7 months ago
Se considera simbólicamente la primera pelea de "MMA", pero hay que recordar; primero al desafío Gracie que se hacía en Brasil desde 1922; los combates del Conde Maeda y dos luchas poco conocidas: el primero campeón pesado de la historia John Sullivan contra el campeón de lucha grecorromana: William Mooldon y el combate entre Bob Fitzsimmons vs. Ernest Roeber (1887 y 1890 respectivamente)
rbrtdornel 7 months ago
Yeah right Fight Nerd, you couldn't get choked out because you had a booth, hahaha
Little swashbuckler, you dont go out for the entire day.
Didn't you buy the encyclopedea?
LOL
JahbeOneKanollbee 7 months ago
gene lebell is the TRUE grandfather of grappling!!!
scrappy008 8 months ago
age is bullshit im in my 40s and choke out my boss all the time, lol
catdogbill 8 months ago
I'd let Gene Lebelle choke me out for a patch
mixmasternut 8 months ago
Just think what LaBelle would have done in MMA if he had been in his prime in the last ten years.
chn71 8 months ago
(at 3:40) he looks like a neanderthal man there.
Domzdream 9 months ago
bottom line is, if a striker can't effectively defend against takedowns and grapples then he will lose. if a grappler can't effectively defend against strikes then he will lose
trscsaeg 9 months ago
@trscsaeg Bravo! someone who gets it. Any man can be submitted and any man can be knocked out. No style has everything and every style has something.
aldridge1 8 months ago
He choked that out...
sfm992002 9 months ago
The distorted voice annoys me. Great vid though.
Da1RiSiN1sMoKe 9 months ago
I have his dvds and use to have his encyclopedia of finishing holds it shows over 400 moves from him Gokor and more there is the regular book and the expanded one you might can find all of those at amazon.
TheShinobi32 9 months ago
I think everyone knows that Mike Tyson could probably mess up Gene Lebell Or any Heavyweight boxer who isn't 43 and has 45 losses, Savage was good at one time, but definitely not hear. Gene would have been knockoed out several times already in an actual fight with a boxer. I like Judo though, I think it's neat. But my friend has done Judo and he does MMA. But he can't handle any of the boxers hes trained with He's tried though.
Blackwolf7301 10 months ago
Grapplers win fair fights 1v1 but you need standup skills if you get ur hands full with 5 guys, or you could just bring 4 friends that you grapple with and choke everyone of them out
jagdjohn96 10 months ago
i think ufc answered the triker vs grappler thing grapplers kick ass in 1vs1 but strikers are better for the street were your oponents are more than 1
onimas1 10 months ago
@onimas1 james toney is probably the best boxer to fight in the ufc and the former middleweight (160lb) and super middle (168lb) champion weighed in at 237lbs of solid blubber after "training hard" for a matter of weeks in his first mma bout. you know how many jujitsu and judo "experts" have been knocked out cold by club boxers? think about it, how much do the top mma fighters get? a fraction of the top boxers. so why would a top boxer waste his time in the ufc unless he can't get paid to box?
sucracristo 10 months ago
@sucracristo they dont bother to go to ufc becouse they cant win if they dont lear grappling or some takedown deffence i saw a figth in ufc of a boxer veteran and a mma vetern it was over in 2 min and the loser was the boxer it was a black guy i dont remeber his name tho
onimas1 10 months ago
@onimas1 manny pacquiao makes more than all mma fighters combined, but after all, grapplers CHOOSE to basically remain amateur fighters because of the superiority of their sport, right? they are choosing not to make 10 times as much money, right? mma is still evolving, and still more like a cult with low participation and low viewership compared to boxing and that bothers them. i like judo and boxing and have participated in both, but the contempt goes one way. grapplers are jealous
sucracristo 10 months ago
@sucracristo they may be who can judge them? i just said that grppling is vital in a 1vs1 figth
onimas1 10 months ago
@onimas1 james tony vs randy couture
metaljar02 9 months ago
@metaljar02 thanks mate that was the one
onimas1 9 months ago
That wasn't a fair match!
Savage's punch power was limited by his gloves, if no gloves were worn, those punches at Gene's chest & waist would have him killed long before the match lasts to the 4th round.
IpMan19 10 months ago
@IpMan19 yea you wouldnt want that lmao.........a bare knuckle boxing match from a pro fighter is not pretty and not fair. especially at that speed of a welterweight lmao
PharaohII 10 months ago
@IpMan19 he was wearing open fingers-type of gloves (similar to modern mma gloves). they don't limit your striking + brass knuckles .... Listen to the video.
pcjudosambo 10 months ago
@pcjudosambo
open-finger gloves are still gloves they are used to protect the boxers' hands and reduce the level of injury to his oppoent, if not, why should they even bother to wear them? No one can stand the raw punches from a heavy boxer though Gene LeBell is regarded the toughest asshole exist on earth.
IpMan19 10 months ago
@IpMan19 that's right, they protect boxer's hands ... they don't reduce that much speed... maybe in milliseconds, which is irrelevant.
pcjudosambo 10 months ago
@pcjudosambo
No, gloves are designed to reduce some force on impact. Also, there are rules against the boxer with which he can't punch the back and below the waist of his opponent. But in a real fight all it'll be different. Just take a look how many times that Gene had exposed himself for the boxer, yet the rules were doing his favour.
IpMan19 10 months ago
@IpMan19 you can't complain about "rules" because if Gene was fighting under "Judo Sport" rules he would have gotten penalized like 10 times. If the boxer didn't take advantage of the situation, that's his problem. Gene capitalized on the situation and didn't fight this fight like a "sport judo" guy. He fought using Judo for the streets and won. Secondly, yes gloves that size are meant to reduce impact, not speed as what you originally said.
pcjudosambo 10 months ago
@IpMan19 Did you miss the part where Milo was wearing brass knuckles?
Or for that matter, the part where he was greased up, wearing the wrong kind of gi?
He cheated like a motherfucker and still got choked like a bitch. So don't start bullshitting about rules not being in his favour, he was ignoring them anyway...
iforippon 9 months ago
@iforippon
that boxer was 43, he's at a retire age for boxing & Gene was only about 30, it's was nothing to boast about.
IpMan19 9 months ago
@IpMan19 Jack Dempsey fought a bunch of wrestlers in his forties and they all got KTFO.
JBMontgomery87 8 months ago
great vid!
Steadno 11 months ago
The throw was a tai otoshi. Not a harai o-goshi
patrickhenrysghost 11 months ago
Sounds like staged hype to me. Why do they always fight boxers who are in their 40's ? I'm not saying Lebelle isn't great, I'm just saying the description and events sound more like WWF than an actual fight.
kenfo0 11 months ago
Hahaha, thats awesome, I didn't know half of that!
farorin 11 months ago
fuck america
saweet999 11 months ago
Thanks for posting, pretty cool.
MMAfightvideosXXX 1 year ago
Thanks for posting, pretty cool.
MMAfightvideosXXX 1 year ago
extremely interesting, the throw was not Hari Goshi (Sweeping Hip Throw) it was a Tai Otoshi (Body Drop) or Koshi Guruma (Hip Wheel), but excellent info, I just wanted to point out it was not a hari goshi because both feet were planted when he threw person over. also stepping on beaten opponent who throws a challenge comes from Vale Todu competitions (means everything goes) from Brazil which I am sure Gene knew about, it is a statement of there I owned you. thank again for video and info.
lallope 1 year ago 2
I've heard Lebell's name here or there but I never looked into it. The more I find out, the more I am impressed.
Also...
Whom is that at 1:50?
WaywardBrigand 1 year ago
GENE! You make DeNiro look soft!
lastdaysguitar 1 year ago
Milo was greased up too
jwilson811 1 year ago
Esta se considera el primer combate MMA de EE.UU.; los antecedentes más directos son los combates de los hermanos Gracie (Carlos y Helio, el último creador del estilo Jiujitsu brasileño) en Brasil contra luchadores de capoeira, boxeo y otros estilos, también hay que recordar a Maeda y a Huo Yinjia que luchó a principios del siglo XX contra luchadores de varios estilos. En la época contemporánea también hay que darle crédito a Rusia con la creación del Sambo (que reúne estilos de Asia y Europa)
rbrtdornel 1 year ago
milo savage was 43 with a pro record of 49 wins and 45 losses. making him out to be a world class fighter is a stretch. mitsuyo maeda, aka conde koma, father of gracie "brazilian" jujitsu, traveled around the world competing in mma "no holds barred" exhibitions, winning over 2,000 pro fights. he traveled the US in 1905. it was this experience competing against boxers and wrestlers and football players that helped him develop a broader approach to fighting that the gracies evolved into modern mma
sucracristo 1 year ago 2
@sucracristo excellent info, Mitsuyo Maeda, aka Conde Koma (means bad luck, pro wrestling name from the shoot pro wrestling of then which was nothing like today's. Mitasuyao Maeda was one of Professor's Hiro kano's top student sent as an ambassador of Judo but he loved challenge matches as story goes and Kano disapproved of that because of old rivalry between modern Judo and traditional Ju-jitsu. Ju-jitsu was almost outlawed after end of samurai era, Judo won in police academy match which end
lallope 1 year ago
@sucracristo your bad at math, if milo was born in 1926 and the fight was in 1963 that means he was 37 not 43
xxTRUTHxx1 10 months ago
@xxTRUTHxx1 "if milo was born in august of 1926..." boxrec has savage's birthdate as august of 1924. i also have seen articles of this exhibition listed it as in december of 1963 and also in 1964 and even later. savage would have been no less than 39 (probably older). no matter the age, he could not even get work as a sparring partner. he only fought one more time in 1970 to a draw against a 6-3 club fighter. as i mentioned, savage lost 45 fights and had 10 draws and was done in boxing.
sucracristo 10 months ago
@sucracristo wrong the Gracies DID NOT create modern mma, earlier versions had already been around such as Pankration by the Greeks as well as other fighting styled used by Romans that largely represented the mma we know today. Gracies did not evolve modern mma, they just utilized a different system of ju-jitsu, coined Brazilian Ju-jitsu, in which yes they did form a different form of wrestling, but rest assured did not create mma
MrJasonekos 10 months ago
@MrJasonekos thanks professor but the gracies actually arranged the first UFC fights. to talk about pankration in ancient greece as if that is closer to modern mma than the actual individuals who organized and competed in the early UFC is pretty stupid.
sucracristo 10 months ago
@sucracristo wait so arranging a sport makes it more official? UFC is only an organization, it did not create a sport, thats like saying swimming wasn't a sport until it was publically organized. Second of all pankration from Ancient Greece actually is more similar to modern mma because it utilized wrestling and kickboxing while brazilian ju-jitsu is only one aspect, which is why Joyce Gracie, after while, had difficulty winning fights because he only relied on ju-jitsu. And im not a professor
MrJasonekos 10 months ago
@MrJasonekos i said the gracies helped "evolve" the sport, not created the sport, so you're arguing with the voices in your head. you lecture people like you're a professor. rorion gracie organized the first UFC cards and his brother ROYCE gracie (there is no "joyce") competed. you talk like nobody has ever heard about pankration. dude, that's not modern. you weren't there. i brought up the gracies and maeda because of the video topic, modern mma. look up the definition of beligerance
sucracristo 10 months ago
@sucracristo i was trying to point out they evolved one aspect of the sport not all of it, kickboxing had already begun to be developed by this time anyway, yeah i know the Gracies for a large part started a move towards organized MMA but with that being said Gracies are definetly not the only ones that cen be given credit towards the progress of mma. And that's how i debate, i can't help it if i sound like a conceited professor
MrJasonekos 10 months ago
@sucracristo The claim was that any boxer could beat a Judo man. Gene LeBell was not the greatest Judoka on the planet at the time, I reckon. Similarly, Milo was not top of the heap in boxing.
TheTerrorUforgot 6 months ago
@sucracristo the gracies invented gracie jiu jitsu, not mma. Mixed martial arts as we know them is a different story than bjj, dont over credit the gracies dawg. theres enough mythos surrounding them as it is.
CharlieN93 4 months ago 4
@CharlieN93 they didn't invent it but the CHANGED it massively.
Bzdi138 3 months ago
Inoki vs. Ali was held in japan, not america.
creaverse 1 year ago
"accidentally stepped on him" yeah, LOL
vyvial 1 year ago
I knew about this fight Years ago and the was no mention of Mediocre Mincing Arts MMA These guys were classically trained that is something you don't know about
gekiryudojo 1 year ago
Sorry to say, this wasnt the first American mma match, you can argue the boxer vs wrestler confrontation between bob fitzsimmons and a graeco roman champion, as well as Sullivan vs Muldoon.
HomicideHenry 1 year ago
What he was unconscious for 20 minutes??? I don't wanna know how long gene chocked him but the boxer was very close to death!
ThomasMin1988 1 year ago
brass knuckles? lmao brass knuckles wouldnt even fit under a glove and if i wore brass knuckles no judo mma jiu jitsu black belt dude would even come close to taking me down! Gene Lebell is a legend but cmon now brass knuckles my ass and milo savage is a nobody i would love to see him against SRR or Foreman! Isnt Gene Lebell like 200 pounds and now he wrestles bears oh my god Bruce would kick his ass!
beenz08 1 year ago
@beenz08 Gene taught Lee Judo techniques
khennyo 11 months ago
You couldn't take the time to say the word "video" and had to say "vid"?
MPMaster 1 year ago
More awesome than UFC 1. Brass knuckles fer crissakes!
mrpopenfresh 1 year ago
@MangaMoogleMan You may like to see here in YT Olympic Judo Champion Yoshida choking out Royce. Also you will see Royce competing in the California State Judo Championships. Of course it's the one and only match he won, never placed, double elminations. The state Judo champs are qualifiers for the US Judo Nationals is where you see all the US Olymipians and top American international competitors. Interesting you bet! ;D
magcharles1 1 year ago
MMA talks alot of trash Boxing was originally more brutal then it is today alot less rules. Probably anything went. Do the gracies still compete? Id like to see the best grapplers fight like Rickson Gracie and Gokor as well as Bas Rutten fight the best fighters of today.
Mider999 1 year ago
@Mider999 Helio's sons don't compete anymore, they've put in enough work so they instruct now. Most of the grandsons compete though, some of them teach as well, like Rorion's sons.
deek77 1 year ago
@deek77 I dont think any of the current gracies could beat Gokor
Mider999 1 year ago