Hm, how i shall explain ... a Destroyer is a multi-roll combat ship who can operate allone with no support and single-handedly ... a Frigate is a specialized combat ship (for example for the underwater hunting or the air defense and so on) who shall additionally assist other combat ships
@couteau86 The old discussion frigate - destroyer, doesnt have anything to see not with the weight, not with the functions (since all the "frigates called" are a multirole ZP, F-100, Sachs, etc), not with nothing that is not exclusively the language. In Spain the F-100 they are a multirole, and have more of 6000 tn, but they are named "frigates" because in many countries the word "destroyer" is not socially well a sight.
Where is Type 45, Arleigh Burke , the japan frigates, sorry but FREMM is a good ship, but not for the 5 first positions, is not an opinion ,it´s information.
Type 45 (Daring class) and Arleigh Burke class are destroyers, not frigates ... and sorry, Japan do not use any frigate class. They only use destroyers ...
@couteau86 The debate Frigate - cruise is older than the doors (more of the country depends, that of the dimensions - weight) but good it is your opinion and voucher.
@micoforion Sorry.... I'm french, i will comment in french because i not speak inglish very well.... Super vidéo, moi qui adore les bateaux, je suis servi, désolé pour mon commentaire impoli, je n'ai pas respecté cette vidéo, et j'en suis désolé. Il était tard, je ne savais pas quoi dire, je voulais juste connaitre la musique. Encore désolé pour mon impolitesse, je ne recommencerais plus ^^'. Just for know, are you in the Marine ?
Best Frigates of all time in history.... Believe it or not the USS Constitution, she really was a super-frigate and her materials and advance hull design prevented hogging. WWII, you have the famed DE's of Taffy 3, and the Royal and Royal Canadian Navy North Atlantic escorts.
Going into the cold war era, Knox class, Leander class. With the advent of gas turbines the OHP class and NATO Bremen/ Kortenaer designs while leaning towards the Bremen.
ok im agree with u so far but... where is type 22 or perry class?those what that really made history?sorry and for a top 10 best must be on active duty don't u think? hope 2 see more vids from u anyway the movie is great ...
@biggs884 thanx for our comment, actually ships listed in top 10 are all active duty if you look at my other videos you'll find i tend to use only ships in service or about to enter service. look at top 10 destroyers an only ship there that isn't in active duty or about to enter service is a Russian destroyer. As to type 22 and OHP class, they aren't really comparable to modern frigates having less capable sensors and overall they are less capable.
@micoforion The Type 22s are certainly getting om a bit, but they'tre still fairly capable (although admittedly probably not top 10 material, so we're in agreement there), as long as they're maintained/refitted. Currently still active are:
F Greenhalgh (ex Broadsword)
F Rademaker (ex Battleaxe)
F Bosísio (ex Brazen), all in Brazil
ROS Regina Maria (ex London)
ROS Regele Ferdinand (ex Coventry), both in Romania
ATTENTION ANGLO-SAXONS GET THE %$#@ OUT OF GIBRALTAR AND GET THE %$#@ OUT OF GREEK ISLANDS! YOUR PALE FACED-CROOKED TEETH ARE NOT WELCOMED...TIME TO GO HOME AND CHANGE THE QUEENS DIAPERS IN BUCKINGHAM PALACE. WHO KNOWS??? SHE MAY KNIGHT YOU FOR THAT :)
i like how all of these european youtubers put the ships that arent even in final stages of development at the top even though they havent been battle tested
It thoroughly irritates me the way the Brits have reversed the meaning of Frigate and Destroyer, and even more that the Yanks have obliterated any meaning at all by deciding that a destroyer is simply a big fat frigate.
The term destroyer comes from Torpedo Boat Destroyer - they deal primarily with subs and torpedo boats. Frigates do everything else. That's how it should be, and still is in euro navies.
So forget the tiresome debates about ship classes. There is no right answer anymore
@boosra I agree with your sentiments, frigate dates back to 1700s when Royal Navy designated larger sailing warships as frigates (4th and 5th rate ships of the line) but with speed of lighter and smaller sailing warships of the day, Although Destroyers originally came in service as a large torpedo carrying fast attacking warships at the start of WW1, they evolved in to much more, primarily due to the tasks and sensors that were fitted on to the ships closer to WW2 cont...
@boosra so ships grew in size from 800 tons at the end of WW1 to 3000 tons at the end of WW2, Simply put carrying adequate anti submarine weapons was demanding and destroyers were tasked in escorting convoys across the Atlantic, As ship role grew, demands so did the size. Destroyers today are larger the frigates and frigates cover same niche they did in olden sailing days, being fast, can hit targets fast and run if enemy has something bigger. Logically Frigates are smaller more versatile.
Aye, that's true. The tendency I've noticed in British circles though is to use the term destroyer these days almost exclusively for an anti-air frigate, while Americans don't seem to differentiate at all.
Ah well, even back in the 18th century, one mans corvette was another man' s post-ship and at one stage a frigate could mean a sleek 3 decker. I guess terms are always applied differently in different navies, and evolve new meanings over time.
@boosra No your right but maybe its the other navies who have to catch up with the royal navy and US navy, warfare isn't fought how it use to be times are changing if u ask me its a good idea take out the middle ship and just have a ship that can do it all.
@boosra i agree i look at tonnage because calling a 5000 ton ship a frigate and comparing it to a 3000 ton ship called a frigate isnt a fair one..western nations call ships that would be cruisers or destroyers frigates because of economics..doesnt sound as expensive..i think its bullshit but thats how things are today
@RJF1966 indeed,simply put 3000 frigate is no way capable as 5000 ton, seonsors alone are limiting, reason why so many nations choose Corvettes instead of frigates, simply put they haven't got the budget for small frigate, and large corvette is as capable small as an 3000 ton frigate, After all a 5000 frigate nowadays ain't cheap, unless you consider 575 million euro per 145m frigate a bargain.
@micoforion yea i got into a big argument with some moron comparing a LCS ship to a 5000 ton warship..LCS weights 3000 tons ..he just didnt get it..yea any modern warship isnt cheap...the best ones are expensive.
The Brits class their warships according to their role. Destroyers are air defence platforms, frigates are multipurpose/ASW. The Yanks on the other hand, in common with a lot of other navies, class them by size. Frigates - Destroyers - Cruisers. The Type 45 would be a cruiser if it was in the USN, since it isn't, and since its primary role is AAW, it's a Destroyer.
Those Alvaro de Bazan "frigates" really should be rated as destroyers, but yeah, they are called frigates. Good video. These are your picks and no one can dispute what you think. But you are getting some good suggestions here in the comments..
@rohitb3 no they aren't, type 23 has superior sensor suite, improved air defence capability in form of Block 2 Sea Wolf (20km engagement range), superb (perhaps best) anti submarine warfare of any warship in service of any navy, and good self defence suite in form of decoys (asw, infra red, em, eccm). Whole package on this ship has been upgraded to latest standard that you have on type 45 destroyers, type 23 are as current as any modern frigates out there design is old, that is all.
On the other hand, Shivalik has Stealth, Buk Air defence(range 30km) ,,are bigger, and can be equipped with the BrahMos,The world's fastest cruise missile which cannot be intercepted by any Type 23 And have an awesome sensor and processing system along with decoys.
And Shivalik is probably one of th latest frigate today.
@rohitb3 nonsense, Shivalik is just as visible as any frigate of similar size out on the open sea. visby class, hamina class, la fayette, fremm (to a certain degree) are stealthy warships, everything else is just a pr stunt. BUK M Air defence system is crap, it a well known fact, why do you think all former EE Warsaw pact nations threw it away and why Russia is desperately trying to come with a new air defence systems, but due to lack of funds the peddle same crap for years. 60s technology.
Sorry,But it's confirmed Shivalik is Stealth, u would wanna read more about that, Even our preceding Talwar class is Stealth . look it up. And u cant really call a missile shit. Whatever a nation has R and D for better and more advanced tech will always be on, eg India/Isreal are developing the Barak 2 SAM with a range of 70km.
Sea Wolf and intercept the BrahMos cz both hv the same speed(Mach 3). Only Aster 30(Mach 4.5) on your Type 45 can intercept them...
@rohitb3 sorry to disappoint you,sea wolf desite being bit on the old side now,is sill capable of stopping any anti ship missile even BrahMos yo are putting too much faith in to. Reason why US is looking at laser and rail gun technology (for their nex class of cruisers that will replace Ticonderoga class) is precisely due t the fact that point air defence systems are so go nowadays that most SSMs are obsolete, reason why most western warships are armed with only 8 SSMs as they act only as a
@rohitb3 you are making stupid assertions, really, about sea wolf and whole stealth thing, giving it more credit than it really deserves. I'll repeat, sea wolf can shoot down any incoming SSMs, even if it went at 6000kmph, its a point defense system, any point defense system can shoot down any SSMs out there. Again only truly stealth ships are Visby Class and to some degree Fremm, Hamina, la fayette and Independence class. Other ships stick out like sore thumb,
@micoforion I just asked u to look up, in wiki or somewhere.
Wiki, first line of shivalik class starts with.
"The Shivalik class frigates or Project 17 class frigates are multi-role frigates with stealth features being built for the Indian Navy"
Same with the preceding Talwar class.
"Due to the use of stealth technologies and a special hull design, the resulting frigate features reduced radar cross section (RCS) as well as electromagnetic, acoustic and infrared signatures"
@rohitb3 evn type 23 has stealth features, every ship has some stealth features, does not make it stealth ;) All frigates nowadays, all warships have this feature, and again, Shivalik class isn't that impressive,
If India was building a truly stealth warship they'd have to fork out more than 400-500 million dollars per frigate, closer to 700-800 million. Fine example of a stealth warship - Visby class, - cost - 240 million euros, independence class - cost 870 million USD.
Well, there is somethin called Cost-Effectivness which we Indians are masters off. Everything in India is cheap starting from Technology to LAbour.
Even then Shivalik Class frigates cost 580 millions.
Upon the induction of these frigates, they were all over on the news that these are the First indigenously built Stealth Frigates. (Talwar class is not indigenous)
No offence, But Type 23 is a 20 year old frigate class and TAlwar/Shivalik class are "Next Gen" Frigates.
@rohitb3 a deterrent, modern frigates in hypothetical engagement would saturate enemy with SSMs to overwhelm its point defence systems, and for this you need sea skimming SSMs, not hypersonic SSMs that fly at 50-100m altitude and can be shot at 80km range, reason why no western navy has gone for supersonic SSMs they are ineffective. What India should be looking is RMS-15MK4, or try to develop smart gun ammunition, like NATO navies are, or rail guns if you have money and know how.
The F100 is by far the most capable. It has a full Aegis CMS and SPY1-D. The Australian ASMD upgraded MEKO 200 also pushes it above a few places here due to it's advanced AESA radar and new CMS.
Fremm is second IMO. La Fayefte is a glorified Corvette. Fridtjof Nansen is high because of Aegis. The sachsen and De Zeven are effectively the same ship due to Sensor and weapon fit out.
The Ivar Huitfeldts should perhaps have been there. Especially since at least the De Zeven Provincies class should be rated as a destroyer. But the Dutch call them frigates, so they are listed as such.
@gaby61166 wir können ruhig deutsch reden. ich bezog mich nur auf das erste bild. und das is ne 123er. ich war selber jahrelang bei dem verein. nichts für ungut. die machen alle nen guten job. grüße von der küste
@chieforeily I'm English, so writing in Deutsch isn't so easy for me lol. My son is bi-lingual and I wanted him to join the German Navy and not the Royal Navy ;-) Ich wohne in Herford zeit über 20 jahre. grüße zurück ;-)
@383stroker123 are you serious? The Oliver Hazard Perrys are complete scrap now. They dont even have missile systems anymore. They cant fire anti-ship or anti-air missiles and only habe a phalanx for air defense. You might as well be throwing stones at the targets as they would be more effective than phalanx. The Oliver Hazard Perry class are nothing more than poorly armed gun boats now.
what about the type 45 royal navys new ship i am in the british army so i can't comment to much on what ship is good or not but i have a few navy friends who say its world class ship? so any thoughts or ideas giving me a fair and balanced report on it would be nice
Type 45 is a destroyer not a frigate.I've made top 10 destroyers, but i didn't upload video yet, i'll do it at some point when i feel like doing it and Type 45 is at the very top.
@micoforion no offence but Type 45 : 7000 ton / fremm 6000 ton, almost the same class, you brits call destroyer what we french call fregate....navy history must be why there's this language difference
@simgadraco2005, Its not a true Lafayette class ship, its a development of that design, making it its own unique sub-class, there are many major differences not least in apperance but also it construction methods and embarked technologies.
@MrXray2011 - i''ve made vid on Type 26, first ship suppose to join Royal Navy sometimes around 2020/2021. 12 ships to be ordered. UK needs 25 escorts (defense white paper) I assume this is 6 destroyers and 18 frigates (24 i know) and leaving us fleet of 12 type 26, 6 type 23 and sometime around 2027/8 we might see introduction of light C3 escorts, either 103m corvette or additional 10 type 26 frigates but general purpose frigate configuration, with less weapon load. we'll see.
You have to give credit where it's due, The United States Navy may be the best navy in the world, Think about it, The US NAVY SEALS, THE US MARINES, The Ships, Any the ability to launch a full scale invasion anywhere in the world in short time.
Against subs, the only two ships i know of that can compete with submarines on noiselevels is Zumwalt and Visby classes.
Against air to ship missles, Its doubtful if any og these ship can take an saturationattack with ASMs
What the navies need now is More ships like Mistral and Canberra classes, harrierjets or F35s if they become availiable and affordable. Thats the only way to chase the misslecarriers.
The best thing that most navies should do is to make new designs,
Best Special forces = UK SAS,CANADIAN JTF2 + CSOR,AUSTRAILIAN SASR,NZ SAS,US SPECIAL FORCES
Best Infantry = Canadian Infantry, Israeli Infantry (MURDERS CIVILLIANS BUT GOOD TRAINING) ,Austrailian + New Zealand Infantry, US NAVY MARINES. UK Engineers,French Foreign Legion (NOT IN ANY SPECIFIC ORDER)
@PcGamerPaul I have ever seen an demostration of the US special forces, what an idiots full of chewing gum showing their muscles they breeded at the gym just like an teenager would do at the age of 16. Believe me, those fuckheads can't do shit except showing their cool. You english langauge love, meh.
@LOLLIEGEEFMELOLLY Meh. Probably true but the Americans are like brothers to Britain and Canada, The asshole brother. In the end were all family. We may hate the Americans but when we need help the Americans will in the end be helping us. Don't blame the American troops, Blame there goverment! The soldiers in the US Forces are like you and me, Wanting to see the world.. Fight for their country.
British,Canadian,ANZAC And American soldiers are all the same, The Best.
@PcGamerPaul You can't rank soldiers. And I don't hate America because I think their SF are idiots. I totally don't believe that english speaking soldiers are the best. I fucking never heard of the ANZAC, rofl.
turks designed and manufactured their own stealth corvettes in their own shipyard. its name is MILGEM f511. it is really impressive. u can watch its video.
my dude (grekos1940) u really look desperate. do u have anything (even a bullet) made in greece? I dont think so. u gave all ur money to germany, france, uk, usa and the others for getting some shit weapons. u look for some bread now. u screwed up as u did always.sorry but this is the reality. u mentioned about turkey. please watch this video.
But anyways, the dutch did not kill millions of people. That where thousands with the germans being their partners in crime by participating in the VOC.
The dutch where traders, not killers. Allthough many slaves and inhabitants of the collonies lost their lives, it doesnt even come close to the number of people killed by the germans in ww2. Please include all the russians, roma's etc.
@vdkallen Get your history book as well. The VOC had nothing to do with the SLAVES. Germans participating in the VOC? lulz wut? (Maybe immigrants ur talking about?)Haha. The dutch were traders? Hmm, not all that right. The VOC had his own army as well.
1. There was suppresion of the dutch in Indonesia. And yes, killings too. After ww2 many people died. true.
2. The VOC HAD nothing to do with slaves.
3. The WiC invented to compete with spain. West India Company, did trade in slaves.
I think that this a very good opinion! and we Dutch people can be proud of our 2nd place in the world's best frigates! Thanks to the dutch navy and damen schelde!
@australian1000 this is because it is is Meko 200 class frigate, built by Meko for Australia and few other clients. type in Meko 200 frigates in to your google, you'll see what i am talking about.
FREMM frigates r stealth..they r the best today. they r French-Italien made. Sold to Saudia,Morocco,Greece,Russia,Singapor,Bulgaria,Algeria,Brasil..
" HARD FACTS " Turkish Navy has; 20 Frigates (+12) 14 Submarines (+6) 6 Corvettes (+12) 49 Fast Attack & Missile Boats (+10) 28 Mine Warfare Ships 8 Amphibic & Main Landing Ships 50 Landing Ships Turkish army had conquered nearly the half of the world in history and had been the strongest army in the world for 1000 years. And turkish army is the 4th strongest army in the world and 2nd greatest army of NATO. Still dont believe? Watch for yourself! watch?v=ldIYVt3bgCs
@WizeRankProductions,That might be but Turkey is technologically out matched by European and US armed forces. She may have large land and naval forces but big does not mean good, and Turkey didnt conquer anything, i think you'll find it was the Ottoman Empire which was made up of many present day peoples and nations, The British on the other hand really did rule 1/4 of the earth and nearly a 3rd of humanity, thats something to brag about, an its well known the UK is Nato 2nd most power military
@TheCharlie359 Dude dont think you know the history of turkey better then me, beside the british did pay the the turks tax in order to move thru the mediterean sea. -.-
@WizeRankProductions, I dont, im simply stating facts, presentday Turkey didnt exisist before 1920 and the British never paid tax for mediterranean access, its called "freedom of the sea's", besides the mediterranean was for centuries nothing more than a British lake, her navy completley dominating it!
@TheCharlie359 Never heard of ottoman empire? The so called Great Brittish Navy , France and Greece were in war with the Turks. But even with The French and Greek on there side they didnt conquer turkey and its mediterian sea. -.-
@WizeRankProductions, Our war aims were Greek independance from Ottoman control which we acheived, not the defeat of the Ottoman Empire! However we DID defeat the Ottoman Empire in WW1 which led to its eventual collapse and the emergence of modern day Turkey, do your homework, Turkey owes its existance as much to the British and the ALLIES as it do to its founding father!
@WizeRankProductions Having a huge army, as in many soliders, means very little in our time. Having a well equipped army with state of the art weapons and technology means everything. Just look at the invasion of Iraq (not the war as a whole). Saddam had one of the largest armies in the world, but poorly trained and equipped etc. the US army invaded Iraq with almost zero US casualties.
Boy you seem to watch to much FOX News... "almost zero US casualities" very funny... and in fact the invasion of iraq showed that the state of the art weaponary of the US is out in some weaks...
i agree fremm is the best...except the stealth thing,it can launch scalp naval 1000 km faar from target like us CRUISERS do with tomahawks.its a superweapon...welldone france!!!!!!!!!!!i m happy our navy(Greek) will have build fremm soon
@anestischatzibeis, oh no long range missiles? OH NO THE US NAVY IS SO DEFENCELESS!
No, but really, the United States navy as guided missile jammers which basically jam guide missiles, not to mention they also have Phalanx CIWS which shoots incoming missiles and planes with it's powerful 20mm gun, and they also have anti-missile missiles. United States Naval Frigates, Cruisers, Aircraft carriers, and destroyers all have this. Long range missiles can't touch US Naval Ships.
@TheFalconryFan who said about attacking us ships???anyway,the jammers are working on certain technology and frequencies.Us navy focused on ENEMY weapons like exocet(irak and others) eastern missiles etc.Scalp is out of the list.Also its well known that phalanx ALMOST cannot hit scalp cause of many reasons and its a stealth missile(not invisible of course but stealth)For us the main use of scalp will be surface to ground.remember this Anyone can touch anyone!
@anestischatzibeis, first off modern US Navy defenses aren't made to defend against Iraqi Naval ships sense there is no Iraq Naval ships. Yeah, the US Navy spent millions on techonolgy against old Frigates and partol boats. US Navy radars can easily spot any missiles.
@TheFalconryFan of course iraki ships are just an example since there is no threat there anymore!but back in the 1990-1991 irak had some exocets.Now there is no main threat for us navy (except a world war 3).Greek navy has to be on edge cause of Turkish threat.And with weapons like that,it would be a bad idea for Turkey to start a war(cause they re thinkin of it too much).
we got our nansen frigate, high-tech, we also got te classe Skjold, high-tech. stealth, exellent seakeeping, and high armed. 76 mm cannon, missile launcher, torpedos,, etc, (just like a small warship ;P)
The Type 054A frigate Jiangkai II Class is freaking pimp!
Ecologicalification 1 week ago
royal netherlands navy for the blessing win!
dutchman139 1 week ago
The last one on this was the royal navy's type 45 destroyer so get ur facts right mate
ishmyboy 1 week ago
@ishmyboy no m8ty, very last picture is Italian version of FREM ;)
micoforion 1 week ago
@ishmyboy
Armchair general FAIL
Ecologicalification 1 week ago
were is the F105 CRISTOBAL COLON ? : / ,,,,mmm
CapitanFiro 1 month ago
@CapitanFiro
You are blind??? $th place in this video, Álvaro de Bazán class???
couteau86 1 month ago
@couteau86 ok but F105 CRISTOBAL COLON is the best F100 class : D sorry and thanks ...greetings
CapitanFiro 1 month ago
@CapitanFiro F100 Class look it up
micoforion 3 weeks ago
@junyo785
Hm, how i shall explain ... a Destroyer is a multi-roll combat ship who can operate allone with no support and single-handedly ... a Frigate is a specialized combat ship (for example for the underwater hunting or the air defense and so on) who shall additionally assist other combat ships
couteau86 1 month ago
@couteau86 good explanation indeed. cheers.
micoforion 1 month ago
@couteau86 Friend nothing of what you has say makes sense, it report before playing the role of a teacher, please!
VITOLLFOTOGRAFIA 1 month ago
@VITOLLFOTOGRAFIA
What do you can not understand???
couteau86 1 month ago
@couteau86 The old discussion frigate - destroyer, doesnt have anything to see not with the weight, not with the functions (since all the "frigates called" are a multirole ZP, F-100, Sachs, etc), not with nothing that is not exclusively the language. In Spain the F-100 they are a multirole, and have more of 6000 tn, but they are named "frigates" because in many countries the word "destroyer" is not socially well a sight.
VITOLLFOTOGRAFIA 1 month ago
@VITOLLFOTOGRAFIA
I know, it are just names ... but what i wrote are the official task classifications ;)
couteau86 1 month ago
@couteau86 On the other hand the word " frigate already exist in the 17th century little has to see with the current concept.
VITOLLFOTOGRAFIA 1 month ago
The Spanish F-100 is the numbre One!!
manolobeach 1 month ago
Where is Type 45, Arleigh Burke , the japan frigates, sorry but FREMM is a good ship, but not for the 5 first positions, is not an opinion ,it´s information.
VITOLLFOTOGRAFIA 2 months ago
@VITOLLFOTOGRAFIA
Type 45 (Daring class) and Arleigh Burke class are destroyers, not frigates ... and sorry, Japan do not use any frigate class. They only use destroyers ...
couteau86 2 months ago
@couteau86 The debate Frigate - cruise is older than the doors (more of the country depends, that of the dimensions - weight) but good it is your opinion and voucher.
VITOLLFOTOGRAFIA 2 months ago
what is the song, please ?
MrAbbysses 2 months ago
@MrAbbysses read description...
micoforion 2 months ago
@micoforion Sorry.... I'm french, i will comment in french because i not speak inglish very well.... Super vidéo, moi qui adore les bateaux, je suis servi, désolé pour mon commentaire impoli, je n'ai pas respecté cette vidéo, et j'en suis désolé. Il était tard, je ne savais pas quoi dire, je voulais juste connaitre la musique. Encore désolé pour mon impolitesse, je ne recommencerais plus ^^'. Just for know, are you in the Marine ?
MrAbbysses 2 months ago
Best Frigates of all time in history.... Believe it or not the USS Constitution, she really was a super-frigate and her materials and advance hull design prevented hogging. WWII, you have the famed DE's of Taffy 3, and the Royal and Royal Canadian Navy North Atlantic escorts.
Going into the cold war era, Knox class, Leander class. With the advent of gas turbines the OHP class and NATO Bremen/ Kortenaer designs while leaning towards the Bremen.
jollyphm1 2 months ago
How about the ugliest frigates? Active or not. My vote goes for the Knox class.
shatchett0 2 months ago
@shatchett0 Nope my vote is for those Soviet era Riga class...
jollyphm1 2 months ago
@jollyphm1 That is pretty ugly. Hmmm...
shatchett0 2 months ago
Fritjof Nansen class maybe? :D epicepicepic
GlacierCodfish 2 months ago
The Dutch LCF 2nd?? It is the worse ship i sailed on. Oke the senors are very good. One big problem with propulsion and generators.
TheLange1971 2 months ago
The first pic of the "Sachsen" class isnt a "Sachsen" class ship, it is the F217 Bayern, which is a "Brandenburg" class ship.
36ol4 3 months ago 2
ok im agree with u so far but... where is type 22 or perry class?those what that really made history?sorry and for a top 10 best must be on active duty don't u think? hope 2 see more vids from u anyway the movie is great ...
biggs884 3 months ago
@biggs884 thanx for our comment, actually ships listed in top 10 are all active duty if you look at my other videos you'll find i tend to use only ships in service or about to enter service. look at top 10 destroyers an only ship there that isn't in active duty or about to enter service is a Russian destroyer. As to type 22 and OHP class, they aren't really comparable to modern frigates having less capable sensors and overall they are less capable.
micoforion 3 months ago
@micoforion The Type 22s are certainly getting om a bit, but they'tre still fairly capable (although admittedly probably not top 10 material, so we're in agreement there), as long as they're maintained/refitted. Currently still active are:
F Greenhalgh (ex Broadsword)
F Rademaker (ex Battleaxe)
F Bosísio (ex Brazen), all in Brazil
ROS Regina Maria (ex London)
ROS Regele Ferdinand (ex Coventry), both in Romania
CNS Almirante Williams (ex Sheffield) in Chile
rufust1975 2 months ago
very cool
djm51x 3 months ago
Pretty soon we'll see a rash of military boat accident because everyone wil be stealth. Or maybe we won't?
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i like how all of these european youtubers put the ships that arent even in final stages of development at the top even though they havent been battle tested
TheMCBADGER 3 months ago
yeah!!! the dutch are second, great choice!
jussimaartens 3 months ago
the South African boat Valour class frigate first one is much better than where it is placed.
XCOMZERO 3 months ago 2
American here to ask you how your worlds top ten is better than ours, since our are battle tested every year? Can you say the same?
donnibrasko1 4 months ago
@donnibrasko1 Very simple: It's not because something is "battle tested" that it's anyway better than another thing which is not.
Abrams is "battle tested", not the Leclerc. But the Leclerc is better.
Cap10Aerobatics 4 months ago
It thoroughly irritates me the way the Brits have reversed the meaning of Frigate and Destroyer, and even more that the Yanks have obliterated any meaning at all by deciding that a destroyer is simply a big fat frigate.
The term destroyer comes from Torpedo Boat Destroyer - they deal primarily with subs and torpedo boats. Frigates do everything else. That's how it should be, and still is in euro navies.
So forget the tiresome debates about ship classes. There is no right answer anymore
boosra 4 months ago 5
@boosra I agree with your sentiments, frigate dates back to 1700s when Royal Navy designated larger sailing warships as frigates (4th and 5th rate ships of the line) but with speed of lighter and smaller sailing warships of the day, Although Destroyers originally came in service as a large torpedo carrying fast attacking warships at the start of WW1, they evolved in to much more, primarily due to the tasks and sensors that were fitted on to the ships closer to WW2 cont...
micoforion 4 months ago
@boosra so ships grew in size from 800 tons at the end of WW1 to 3000 tons at the end of WW2, Simply put carrying adequate anti submarine weapons was demanding and destroyers were tasked in escorting convoys across the Atlantic, As ship role grew, demands so did the size. Destroyers today are larger the frigates and frigates cover same niche they did in olden sailing days, being fast, can hit targets fast and run if enemy has something bigger. Logically Frigates are smaller more versatile.
micoforion 4 months ago 3
@micoforion
Aye, that's true. The tendency I've noticed in British circles though is to use the term destroyer these days almost exclusively for an anti-air frigate, while Americans don't seem to differentiate at all.
Ah well, even back in the 18th century, one mans corvette was another man' s post-ship and at one stage a frigate could mean a sleek 3 decker. I guess terms are always applied differently in different navies, and evolve new meanings over time.
I hate change :P
boosra 4 months ago
@boosra No your right but maybe its the other navies who have to catch up with the royal navy and US navy, warfare isn't fought how it use to be times are changing if u ask me its a good idea take out the middle ship and just have a ship that can do it all.
thedirector101112 2 months ago
@thedirector101112 Don't count on it, with those commie Chinese on the rise, the allied navies got a good old fashion "BLUE WATER" Mission again!!!!
jollyphm1 2 months ago
@boosra i agree i look at tonnage because calling a 5000 ton ship a frigate and comparing it to a 3000 ton ship called a frigate isnt a fair one..western nations call ships that would be cruisers or destroyers frigates because of economics..doesnt sound as expensive..i think its bullshit but thats how things are today
RJF1966 3 weeks ago
@RJF1966 indeed,simply put 3000 frigate is no way capable as 5000 ton, seonsors alone are limiting, reason why so many nations choose Corvettes instead of frigates, simply put they haven't got the budget for small frigate, and large corvette is as capable small as an 3000 ton frigate, After all a 5000 frigate nowadays ain't cheap, unless you consider 575 million euro per 145m frigate a bargain.
micoforion 3 weeks ago
@micoforion yea i got into a big argument with some moron comparing a LCS ship to a 5000 ton warship..LCS weights 3000 tons ..he just didnt get it..yea any modern warship isnt cheap...the best ones are expensive.
RJF1966 3 weeks ago
@boosra
In case you haven't figured out, no-one cares about Europe anymore.
Ecologicalification 1 week ago
The Brits class their warships according to their role. Destroyers are air defence platforms, frigates are multipurpose/ASW. The Yanks on the other hand, in common with a lot of other navies, class them by size. Frigates - Destroyers - Cruisers. The Type 45 would be a cruiser if it was in the USN, since it isn't, and since its primary role is AAW, it's a Destroyer.
BohemianEagle 4 months ago
type 23 ??? lol so we have and frigate " s" etc etc
JoyMadrugada 4 months ago
its not the frigated butt the cruw that maks whan the best
gertjeh79 4 months ago
Type 23 fits here as well as OH Perry -it's a different era, man.
krbosak 4 months ago
Those Alvaro de Bazan "frigates" really should be rated as destroyers, but yeah, they are called frigates. Good video. These are your picks and no one can dispute what you think. But you are getting some good suggestions here in the comments..
lpuig73 4 months ago
MILGEM Corvette
Lalmana100 4 months ago
@Lalmana100 not a frigate, Corvette innit !!!
micoforion 4 months ago
@Lalmana100 It's a corvette like you said and all the ratings class it a real shit... Sorry !
boardelia 4 months ago
U seem to be a bit overpatriotic, "Shivalik Class" frigates are better than your "Type 23"
rohitb3 5 months ago
@rohitb3 no they aren't, type 23 has superior sensor suite, improved air defence capability in form of Block 2 Sea Wolf (20km engagement range), superb (perhaps best) anti submarine warfare of any warship in service of any navy, and good self defence suite in form of decoys (asw, infra red, em, eccm). Whole package on this ship has been upgraded to latest standard that you have on type 45 destroyers, type 23 are as current as any modern frigates out there design is old, that is all.
simgadraco2005 4 months ago in playlist More videos from micoforion
@simgadraco2005
On the other hand, Shivalik has Stealth, Buk Air defence(range 30km) ,,are bigger, and can be equipped with the BrahMos,The world's fastest cruise missile which cannot be intercepted by any Type 23 And have an awesome sensor and processing system along with decoys.
And Shivalik is probably one of th latest frigate today.
rohitb3 4 months ago
@rohitb3 nonsense, Shivalik is just as visible as any frigate of similar size out on the open sea. visby class, hamina class, la fayette, fremm (to a certain degree) are stealthy warships, everything else is just a pr stunt. BUK M Air defence system is crap, it a well known fact, why do you think all former EE Warsaw pact nations threw it away and why Russia is desperately trying to come with a new air defence systems, but due to lack of funds the peddle same crap for years. 60s technology.
micoforion 4 months ago
@micoforion
Sorry,But it's confirmed Shivalik is Stealth, u would wanna read more about that, Even our preceding Talwar class is Stealth . look it up. And u cant really call a missile shit. Whatever a nation has R and D for better and more advanced tech will always be on, eg India/Isreal are developing the Barak 2 SAM with a range of 70km.
Sea Wolf and intercept the BrahMos cz both hv the same speed(Mach 3). Only Aster 30(Mach 4.5) on your Type 45 can intercept them...
Cont..
rohitb3 4 months ago
@rohitb3 sorry to disappoint you,sea wolf desite being bit on the old side now,is sill capable of stopping any anti ship missile even BrahMos yo are putting too much faith in to. Reason why US is looking at laser and rail gun technology (for their nex class of cruisers that will replace Ticonderoga class) is precisely due t the fact that point air defence systems are so go nowadays that most SSMs are obsolete, reason why most western warships are armed with only 8 SSMs as they act only as a
micoforion 4 months ago
@micoforion
Cont..
In previous comment i meant ...Sea Wolf Cant** intercept.
Yes, NATO is developing stuff but we dont need to blindly follow them.
We have also developed the Hypersonic BrahMos 2 with a Mach speed of 5+. It will probably be tested this year.
And does any current ship hv laser or rail gun tech..? I dont think so...., so for now Hypersonic/Supersonic SSMs are the best we can get.
rohitb3 4 months ago
@rohitb3 you are making stupid assertions, really, about sea wolf and whole stealth thing, giving it more credit than it really deserves. I'll repeat, sea wolf can shoot down any incoming SSMs, even if it went at 6000kmph, its a point defense system, any point defense system can shoot down any SSMs out there. Again only truly stealth ships are Visby Class and to some degree Fremm, Hamina, la fayette and Independence class. Other ships stick out like sore thumb,
micoforion 4 months ago
@micoforion I just asked u to look up, in wiki or somewhere.
Wiki, first line of shivalik class starts with.
"The Shivalik class frigates or Project 17 class frigates are multi-role frigates with stealth features being built for the Indian Navy"
Same with the preceding Talwar class.
"Due to the use of stealth technologies and a special hull design, the resulting frigate features reduced radar cross section (RCS) as well as electromagnetic, acoustic and infrared signatures"
Cont..
rohitb3 4 months ago
@rohitb3 evn type 23 has stealth features, every ship has some stealth features, does not make it stealth ;) All frigates nowadays, all warships have this feature, and again, Shivalik class isn't that impressive,
If India was building a truly stealth warship they'd have to fork out more than 400-500 million dollars per frigate, closer to 700-800 million. Fine example of a stealth warship - Visby class, - cost - 240 million euros, independence class - cost 870 million USD.
micoforion 4 months ago
@micoforion
Well, there is somethin called Cost-Effectivness which we Indians are masters off. Everything in India is cheap starting from Technology to LAbour.
Even then Shivalik Class frigates cost 580 millions.
Upon the induction of these frigates, they were all over on the news that these are the First indigenously built Stealth Frigates. (Talwar class is not indigenous)
No offence, But Type 23 is a 20 year old frigate class and TAlwar/Shivalik class are "Next Gen" Frigates.
rohitb3 4 months ago
@micoforion
Cont...
And the BrahMos was considered uninterceptable till the Aster 30 came into operation. But now to tackle that BraHmos 2 has been developed.
Anyways, i just asked u to look it up. Since u are makin videos and have decent knowledge u should learn a bit more by yourself.
rohitb3 4 months ago
@rohitb3 a deterrent, modern frigates in hypothetical engagement would saturate enemy with SSMs to overwhelm its point defence systems, and for this you need sea skimming SSMs, not hypersonic SSMs that fly at 50-100m altitude and can be shot at 80km range, reason why no western navy has gone for supersonic SSMs they are ineffective. What India should be looking is RMS-15MK4, or try to develop smart gun ammunition, like NATO navies are, or rail guns if you have money and know how.
micoforion 4 months ago
3:48 thats is not the sachsen class, its a picture from a ship of the Brandenburg-Class ;)
MrMaulwurf 5 months ago
The F100 is by far the most capable. It has a full Aegis CMS and SPY1-D. The Australian ASMD upgraded MEKO 200 also pushes it above a few places here due to it's advanced AESA radar and new CMS.
Fremm is second IMO. La Fayefte is a glorified Corvette. Fridtjof Nansen is high because of Aegis. The sachsen and De Zeven are effectively the same ship due to Sensor and weapon fit out.
steggs69 5 months ago
AEGIS
psb007 5 months ago
where is the Absalon-class and the Ivar Huitfeldt class...????
FimbulxXx 6 months ago 8
@FimbulxXx
Absalon doesn't belong on this list. Though it's big it's sensors would be more suitable on a corvette.
chrthiel 5 months ago
@FimbulxXx Absalons are not frigates.
The Ivar Huitfeldts should perhaps have been there. Especially since at least the De Zeven Provincies class should be rated as a destroyer. But the Dutch call them frigates, so they are listed as such.
LarS1963 4 months ago
It has to be the Royal Navy Duke Class at No.1
clydeferries 6 months ago
Excuse me but where is the mighty Danish HDMS 16 Absalon Royal flagship of Kingdom of Denmark???
SAHELLMAND 6 months ago
what about frigate marasesti ? google for more info
strutzulescu 6 months ago
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chieforeily 6 months ago
this german frigate is not the sachsen class. this is the brandenburg class.
chieforeily 6 months ago
@chieforeily My son is on the Sachsen at the moment. 219 IS the Sachsen.
gaby61166 6 months ago
@gaby61166 wir können ruhig deutsch reden. ich bezog mich nur auf das erste bild. und das is ne 123er. ich war selber jahrelang bei dem verein. nichts für ungut. die machen alle nen guten job. grüße von der küste
chieforeily 6 months ago
@chieforeily I'm English, so writing in Deutsch isn't so easy for me lol. My son is bi-lingual and I wanted him to join the German Navy and not the Royal Navy ;-) Ich wohne in Herford zeit über 20 jahre. grüße zurück ;-)
gaby61166 6 months ago
gerpard 3.9 tarantul the best
KatiushaVN4 6 months ago
Singapore has Good frigates Too ^_^
service2tube 7 months ago
@383stroker123 are you serious? The Oliver Hazard Perrys are complete scrap now. They dont even have missile systems anymore. They cant fire anti-ship or anti-air missiles and only habe a phalanx for air defense. You might as well be throwing stones at the targets as they would be more effective than phalanx. The Oliver Hazard Perry class are nothing more than poorly armed gun boats now.
pquinn448 7 months ago
what about the type 45 royal navys new ship i am in the british army so i can't comment to much on what ship is good or not but i have a few navy friends who say its world class ship? so any thoughts or ideas giving me a fair and balanced report on it would be nice
bigjohn697791 7 months ago
@bigjohn697791
Type 45 is a destroyer not a frigate.I've made top 10 destroyers, but i didn't upload video yet, i'll do it at some point when i feel like doing it and Type 45 is at the very top.
micoforion 7 months ago 6
@micoforion interesting to know thank you micoforion
bigjohn697791 7 months ago
lol.. i did say i was army so frigate and a destroyers i would not be able to tell them apart lol
bigjohn697791 7 months ago
@bigjohn697791 Most navies can't either, some of the frigates here are actually classified as destoyers internationally.
flerrel 6 months ago
@flerrel fair one its been informative at least i have learn't something i can now fill a gap in my personal knowledge
bigjohn697791 6 months ago
@micoforion. coolios
mr9396 7 months ago
@micoforion no offence but Type 45 : 7000 ton / fremm 6000 ton, almost the same class, you brits call destroyer what we french call fregate....navy history must be why there's this language difference
bingofioul 4 months ago
@ZachMarhal replaced by good new battleships innit, destroyers are modern day battleship.
simgadraco2005 7 months ago
I'm quite sure our Formidable class at 0:46 isn't a Meko.
Rg2732 8 months ago
@Rg2732 its Lafayette class. slight error in placement of picture.
simgadraco2005 7 months ago
@simgadraco2005, Its not a true Lafayette class ship, its a development of that design, making it its own unique sub-class, there are many major differences not least in apperance but also it construction methods and embarked technologies.
TheCharlie359 7 months ago
Oh yes the Fremm, Britains new frigates not ready for a while though :(
MrXray2011 8 months ago
@MrXray2011 - i''ve made vid on Type 26, first ship suppose to join Royal Navy sometimes around 2020/2021. 12 ships to be ordered. UK needs 25 escorts (defense white paper) I assume this is 6 destroyers and 18 frigates (24 i know) and leaving us fleet of 12 type 26, 6 type 23 and sometime around 2027/8 we might see introduction of light C3 escorts, either 103m corvette or additional 10 type 26 frigates but general purpose frigate configuration, with less weapon load. we'll see.
micoforion 8 months ago
@micoforion It takes too long. We used to make ships in a few years not 10
MrXray2011 8 months ago
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XtremedesyrWoWSC 6 months ago
@XtremedesyrWoWSC I have no idea but I do know that British Frigates are basically the size of other navies Destroyers.
MrXray2011 6 months ago
An indian frigate, lol. Is not an advanced navy the indian navy.
XxSkilersxX 8 months ago
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Ksteve90 8 months ago
at 6000tonnes doesn't that basically make it in the destroyer tonnage....not frigate.
myfunkychannel 8 months ago
@myfunkychannel modern frigates tend to go up to 6500 ton displacement,
simgadraco2005 7 months ago
All hi tech military equipment made in Russia is rubbish, even russian military want european equipment fast...
RUISPQR 9 months ago in playlist Military & Weapons
@RUISPQR yeah your right, peter the great is a bad ship even though she annialate 3 aircraft carrier battle groups with one load
BEANO266 9 months ago
okay..warship , not equip with thruster..i don't know about it..maybe they are using azimuth rudder.?
kingvincexx 9 months ago
You have to give credit where it's due, The United States Navy may be the best navy in the world, Think about it, The US NAVY SEALS, THE US MARINES, The Ships, Any the ability to launch a full scale invasion anywhere in the world in short time.
And this is not coming from an American.
PcGamerPaul 9 months ago
The best frigates are the USN frigates, we do it better then these. 383
383stroker123 9 months ago
@383stroker123 dear god...ur stupidity is so....lame
itachiitachi1946 9 months ago
frem is concept?
sidddde11 10 months ago
My opinion.
Against subs, the only two ships i know of that can compete with submarines on noiselevels is Zumwalt and Visby classes.
Against air to ship missles, Its doubtful if any og these ship can take an saturationattack with ASMs
What the navies need now is More ships like Mistral and Canberra classes, harrierjets or F35s if they become availiable and affordable. Thats the only way to chase the misslecarriers.
The best thing that most navies should do is to make new designs,
aon10003 10 months ago
my rating:
F-100
Zeven Provincien
Horizon/Orizzonte
Fridtjof Nansen
Fridtjof Nansen
FREMM
Fayette
uruguallo22 10 months ago
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uruguallo22 10 months ago
The best is:
F-100: AEGIS Mk-7 Baseline 7, VLS-Mk.41 (SM-X, Tomahawks, ESSM..), Mk-45 Mod. 2 + 2 x 25 mm. APC BAE Mk-38 Mod. 2 , TLT´s: Mk-46 Mod. 5, Harpoon, Penguin, Raytheon DE-1160 LF, ESM/ECM Aldebarán or Indra Rigel / Regulus, 4 x SRBOC Mk 36, SLQ-25 Nixie. Prairie/Masker, SRQ-4, Sainsel DLT-309, Data Link 22, Integrated communications ICCS-5, SHF SATCOM, INMARSAT, UHF, HF, VHF… reserve space and weight: Sea-RAM, ATAS, VL-ASROC, etc
uruguallo22 10 months ago
Maybe im being patriot, maybe im true but this is my opinion:
The best tank makers: Germany, Russia and USA
The best planes makers: USA, UK, Russia
The best weapons makers: USA, UK, Russia
Commando's with the most proud: UK (Elite units invented by Dutch - Boer war)
The best armies in overall: USA and Russia.. (China and india: Western influence only)
The best shipmakers: Holland with quality, not quantity!!!
LOLLIEGEEFMELOLLY 10 months ago
@LOLLIEGEEFMELOLLY ,
Best tanks = Germany
Best Aircrafts= The USA
Best Reliable Weapons=The USA,Russia,Germany
Best Special forces = UK SAS,CANADIAN JTF2 + CSOR,AUSTRAILIAN SASR,NZ SAS,US SPECIAL FORCES
Best Infantry = Canadian Infantry, Israeli Infantry (MURDERS CIVILLIANS BUT GOOD TRAINING) ,Austrailian + New Zealand Infantry, US NAVY MARINES. UK Engineers,French Foreign Legion (NOT IN ANY SPECIFIC ORDER)
Best Forces overall =USA and Russia
Best Ships = USA , UK , GERMANY, HOLLAND
PcGamerPaul 9 months ago
@PcGamerPaul I have ever seen an demostration of the US special forces, what an idiots full of chewing gum showing their muscles they breeded at the gym just like an teenager would do at the age of 16. Believe me, those fuckheads can't do shit except showing their cool. You english langauge love, meh.
LOLLIEGEEFMELOLLY 9 months ago
@LOLLIEGEEFMELOLLY Meh. Probably true but the Americans are like brothers to Britain and Canada, The asshole brother. In the end were all family. We may hate the Americans but when we need help the Americans will in the end be helping us. Don't blame the American troops, Blame there goverment! The soldiers in the US Forces are like you and me, Wanting to see the world.. Fight for their country.
British,Canadian,ANZAC And American soldiers are all the same, The Best.
PcGamerPaul 9 months ago
@PcGamerPaul You can't rank soldiers. And I don't hate America because I think their SF are idiots. I totally don't believe that english speaking soldiers are the best. I fucking never heard of the ANZAC, rofl.
LOLLIEGEEFMELOLLY 9 months ago
@LOLLIEGEEFMELOLLY Austrailia and Newzealand is ANZAC Australian and New Zealand Army Corps
PcGamerPaul 9 months ago
damn its too late to sell our french frigate to Kadhafi now >_<
yaglourt 11 months ago
Ummm ........ the only one with AEGIS SPY 1D is the frigate Alvaro de Bazan....... sorry but... I think that it is the best . SM-2 , ESSM ....
the really important thing is the combat system .
gyntonic73 11 months ago
@gyntonic73 rightly !!
uruguallo22 10 months ago
turks designed and manufactured their own stealth corvettes in their own shipyard. its name is MILGEM f511. it is really impressive. u can watch its video.
mrhopeful73 11 months ago
my dude (grekos1940) u really look desperate. do u have anything (even a bullet) made in greece? I dont think so. u gave all ur money to germany, france, uk, usa and the others for getting some shit weapons. u look for some bread now. u screwed up as u did always.sorry but this is the reality. u mentioned about turkey. please watch this video.
watch?v=8dkJsNVE508&feature=feedlik
mrhopeful73 11 months ago
@waarzitdespatiebalk ur right! Ps spatiebalk zit onder de B
KrabbendeKUTKAT 1 year ago
Tolbert2000 4 dagen geleden
Lol, first of all. Im not dutch.
But anyways, the dutch did not kill millions of people. That where thousands with the germans being their partners in crime by participating in the VOC.
The dutch where traders, not killers. Allthough many slaves and inhabitants of the collonies lost their lives, it doesnt even come close to the number of people killed by the germans in ww2. Please include all the russians, roma's etc.
Go get yourself a history book.
vdkallen 1 year ago
@vdkallen Get your history book as well. The VOC had nothing to do with the SLAVES. Germans participating in the VOC? lulz wut? (Maybe immigrants ur talking about?)Haha. The dutch were traders? Hmm, not all that right. The VOC had his own army as well.
1. There was suppresion of the dutch in Indonesia. And yes, killings too. After ww2 many people died. true.
2. The VOC HAD nothing to do with slaves.
3. The WiC invented to compete with spain. West India Company, did trade in slaves.
LOLLIEGEEFMELOLLY 10 months ago
I think that this a very good opinion! and we Dutch people can be proud of our 2nd place in the world's best frigates! Thanks to the dutch navy and damen schelde!
dutchman139 1 year ago
why was there a pic of the Australian ANZAC class at the very start?
australian1000 1 year ago
@australian1000 this is because it is is Meko 200 class frigate, built by Meko for Australia and few other clients. type in Meko 200 frigates in to your google, you'll see what i am talking about.
micoforion 1 year ago
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Ksteve90 8 months ago
Place the french frigates FREMM may be exaggerated, however the frigate La Fayette could happen in the top5.
eikkkN 1 year ago
MEKO ??? i don't think so...
KucingHomoMalaysial 1 year ago
FREMM frigates r stealth..they r the best today. they r French-Italien made. Sold to Saudia,Morocco,Greece,Russia,Singapor,Bulgaria,Algeria,Brasil..
rempageable 1 year ago
WizeRankProductions 1 year ago
@WizeRankProductions always SIZE SIZE SIZE its about strongest fool netherlands are jsut the strongest with the navy FACE IT !!!
kennyschoure 1 year ago
@kennyschoure You are just saying that because the Netherlands has got one of the smallest armies in NATO. -.-
WizeRankProductions 1 year ago
@WizeRankProductions but the best
kennyschoure 1 year ago
@WizeRankProductions,That might be but Turkey is technologically out matched by European and US armed forces. She may have large land and naval forces but big does not mean good, and Turkey didnt conquer anything, i think you'll find it was the Ottoman Empire which was made up of many present day peoples and nations, The British on the other hand really did rule 1/4 of the earth and nearly a 3rd of humanity, thats something to brag about, an its well known the UK is Nato 2nd most power military
TheCharlie359 1 year ago
@TheCharlie359 Dude dont think you know the history of turkey better then me, beside the british did pay the the turks tax in order to move thru the mediterean sea. -.-
WizeRankProductions 1 year ago
@WizeRankProductions, I dont, im simply stating facts, presentday Turkey didnt exisist before 1920 and the British never paid tax for mediterranean access, its called "freedom of the sea's", besides the mediterranean was for centuries nothing more than a British lake, her navy completley dominating it!
TheCharlie359 1 year ago
@TheCharlie359 Never heard of ottoman empire? The so called Great Brittish Navy , France and Greece were in war with the Turks. But even with The French and Greek on there side they didnt conquer turkey and its mediterian sea. -.-
WizeRankProductions 1 year ago
@WizeRankProductions, Our war aims were Greek independance from Ottoman control which we acheived, not the defeat of the Ottoman Empire! However we DID defeat the Ottoman Empire in WW1 which led to its eventual collapse and the emergence of modern day Turkey, do your homework, Turkey owes its existance as much to the British and the ALLIES as it do to its founding father!
TheCharlie359 1 year ago
@WizeRankProductions Having a huge army, as in many soliders, means very little in our time. Having a well equipped army with state of the art weapons and technology means everything. Just look at the invasion of Iraq (not the war as a whole). Saddam had one of the largest armies in the world, but poorly trained and equipped etc. the US army invaded Iraq with almost zero US casualties.
TomTrix99 1 year ago
@TomTrix99
Boy you seem to watch to much FOX News... "almost zero US casualities" very funny... and in fact the invasion of iraq showed that the state of the art weaponary of the US is out in some weaks...
Tolbert2000 1 year ago
" Turkish Defence Industry "
watch?v=aKHdGyiiRU0
WizeRankProductions 1 year ago
Today turkey released a new turkish made frigate called F511.
Its undetactable by enemy radar or subs.
"Turks going unmanned"
Turkey is the 3rd country on the world who manufacters UAV's ( ANKA )
In 2010 all israelian HARON UAV's will be replaced by turkish made.
It stays much longer in air, and will be used against PKK.
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bhigr 1 year ago
i agree fremm is the best...except the stealth thing,it can launch scalp naval 1000 km faar from target like us CRUISERS do with tomahawks.its a superweapon...welldone france!!!!!!!!!!!i m happy our navy(Greek) will have build fremm soon
anestischatzibeis 1 year ago
@anestischatzibeis, oh no long range missiles? OH NO THE US NAVY IS SO DEFENCELESS!
No, but really, the United States navy as guided missile jammers which basically jam guide missiles, not to mention they also have Phalanx CIWS which shoots incoming missiles and planes with it's powerful 20mm gun, and they also have anti-missile missiles. United States Naval Frigates, Cruisers, Aircraft carriers, and destroyers all have this. Long range missiles can't touch US Naval Ships.
TheFalconryFan 1 year ago
@TheFalconryFan who said about attacking us ships???anyway,the jammers are working on certain technology and frequencies.Us navy focused on ENEMY weapons like exocet(irak and others) eastern missiles etc.Scalp is out of the list.Also its well known that phalanx ALMOST cannot hit scalp cause of many reasons and its a stealth missile(not invisible of course but stealth)For us the main use of scalp will be surface to ground.remember this Anyone can touch anyone!
anestischatzibeis 1 year ago
@anestischatzibeis, first off modern US Navy defenses aren't made to defend against Iraqi Naval ships sense there is no Iraq Naval ships. Yeah, the US Navy spent millions on techonolgy against old Frigates and partol boats. US Navy radars can easily spot any missiles.
TheFalconryFan 1 year ago
@TheFalconryFan of course iraki ships are just an example since there is no threat there anymore!but back in the 1990-1991 irak had some exocets.Now there is no main threat for us navy (except a world war 3).Greek navy has to be on edge cause of Turkish threat.And with weapons like that,it would be a bad idea for Turkey to start a war(cause they re thinkin of it too much).
anestischatzibeis 1 year ago
we got our nansen frigate, high-tech, we also got te classe Skjold, high-tech. stealth, exellent seakeeping, and high armed. 76 mm cannon, missile launcher, torpedos,, etc, (just like a small warship ;P)
Norwegian274 1 year ago
The Germans build a new Frigate/ Destroyer-class
the F125!!! The F125 would be the best!
Basti6814 1 year ago
dutch have best radar!!
first look, first strike, first kill.
MrRubendeRuiter 1 year ago