Sifu emin is one of the best fighters in wingchun although i was a william cheung student he is very very good in what he does,and i totally agree with konstantine wingchun is not for sparring with Wanderlei Silva.Wingchun is an art that gives you a total selfdefense thinking how to do something (if you can do) when someone attacks you out on the street.It is an art that firts learns you how to think and then how to fight.Punches is for animals human fights with his brain don't forget that.
永春拳 has only two pronunciations, yong chun quan (mandarin) and wing chun kuen (Cantonese), and oly one meaning. Emin, whats next? hooouuuuing tjzhooon?
@Seankwondo87 whatever it is its gibberish. its lie if i wanted to be different and always spelled different as "dyfuhrint". wing tsun, is not chinese, english,or turkish.
BGZBadboy claims he can kick Emin's ass but is such a coward. I wonder if any WC fighters in Joplin, MO to look him up? Let me know so we can arrange it.
@theangelrules007 First, you threaten me with Wong Jack Man, Rick Wing, and the dreaded "Dim-mak"...lol. When that didn't work, you threatened me with the East coast BGZ crew and Novell Bell. When I called your shit on that, you threatened me with the Bullshido group, and finally, now, you're threatening to sick Emin Boztepe on me...lol. You went on to call Erle Montaigue and the entire WTBA organization a bunch of pussies...lol. Pretty clear who the pussy really is:)
@theangelrules007 Oh, BTW...exactly when did I claim to be able to "kick Emin's ass"? Exactly where is that comment posted? Oh yeah, I remember...NEVER and NOWHERE...lol. Enlighten us, dumbass, how does it feel to get busted as a lying, shit-stirring, coward piece of shit? I figured you should know better than almost anyone...lol. Got a little sand in your vagina? Hmmm, dumbass?:)
@theangelrules007 Oh, BTW...exactly when did I claim to be able to "kick Emin's ass"? Exactly where is that comment posted? Oh yeah, I remember...NEVER and NOWHERE...lol. Enlighten us, dumbass, how does it feel to get busted as a lying, shit-stirring, coward piece of shit? I figured you should know better than almost anyone...lol. Got a little sand in your vagina? Hmmm, dumbass?:)
@theangelrules007 Oh, BTW...exactly when did I claim to be able to "kick Emin's ass"? Exactly where is that comment posted? Oh yeah, I remember...NEVER and NOWHERE...lol. Enlighten us, dumbass, how does it feel to get busted as a lying, shit-stirring, coward piece of shit? I figured you should know better than almost anyone...lol. Got a little sand in your vagina? Hmmm, dumbass?:)
@iiiStream - ...and then I'll beat up everyone at your school. Cuz you guys act tough on the internet...but face to face your bon sao and tan sao will do shit all when I bite your head off.
Dear friends i have to say just one think,you may agree or not,Ufc or K1 or cage fights....nice they are good and very very strong men BUT...the spend all the time they got in what?gyms and rings and gyms and rings,ok they are strong ok the are fast but do they live like me or you?(work,scool,wife kids ?friends family,dog, fishing.hunting play games?)the point is that WT is a martial art for every one,for a fireman or a teacher or a fishman if you see what i mean...be well God bless all
@kwstantine I just can´t imagine myself in a situation where I have to fight a UFC or K1 fighter. My routine should change quite a lot to be in such scenario.
Guess you've never heard of Shane Carwin. Still a full time engineer here in Colorado. You're also discounting what fighters did on the way up. GSP worked three jobs while training when he first started. You're making an argument based on a snapshot of fighters at the top.
Wing Chun is not what you learn ins schools.. Emin Poztebe is very powerful (good chi level) but he will never teach you when you pay him, yes he will teach you how to do that and this but not the real secret of wing Chun the real secret you will learn from a true master that has no successor because he is nto allowed to teach to someone that is not Chinese. Q Cong is has no counter it is unstoppable once you eat one of Emin's blow your life will be on a thin line and possibly you will die.
I see you have fallen hard for the cheesy Chinese bullshit. You apparently watch way too many movies, are extremely out of touch with reality and are entirely inactive as far as serious training/fighting goes. Boztepe is a fraud and was exposed as such in his fight with Cheung. Where were Boztepe's "deadly blows" there? You're as pathetic as they come. Get a grip, you fucking loser.
Go read up on how Boztepe has dodged challenges, you fucking dork.
Boztepe doesn't fight though. How many times must this be explained to you? Get off crack.
Haha, back to your double standards: MT works for street fighting, MMA doesn't, even though both are sports. Please, your argument is as stupid as it is illogical.
Most street fights go to the ground and have grappling. Looks like you're wrong again.
Hmm, where's this "research" of yours supporting you'll most likely face 2+ people?
I don't need research. I've been in enough real fights to know how they work. I never once ended up on the ground.
The statistic you hear saying most fights go to the ground is true, yes. This is because most fights are done by people who're untrained, and do not try and stay on their feet.
The statistic of how many stand up fighters actually end up on the ground would be very eye opening for you, I think.
Bullshit. Who WANTS to go to the ground if they don't know how to ground fight? The only time they would WANT to go on the ground is if the guy is already on there and they are 100% sure they can get the top position.
If you can't see why Boztepe's techniques don't work, then you don't know shit about striking.
Yeah, hmm, why would anyone need to learn how to fight on the ground if that's where most fights end up.... That statistic takes into mind even trained strikers. I've also heard plenty of stories of wrestlers slamming guys and punching their faces in. MT won't help you with that, as shown in the video link I gave you.
Can you find ONE fight Boztepe has EVER done other than that embarrassing scrap with Cheung? No. And can you find one video of Boztepe really sparring? No.
Yes, of course you "know" why it's a bad idea to be on the ground. That's because you don't know what the fuck you're doing down there.
I already gave you proof of Boztepe's fraudulence. Type in "Cheung vs. Boztepe" and find one credible piece of evidence Boztepe can fight for real. The latter doens't exist anywhere on the net except by stupefied chunners who "chi soa'ed" with him. His "anti-grappling" techniques are pathetic too, but you don't know shit about grappling so you wouldn't know
I've no double standards. Ring fights don't prove street worth, regardless of style.
Grappling is a bad idea on the street.
How are these double standards? That's like saying me chosing to fight with an AK47 over a baretta because of the cyclic rate, range and power is a double standard... it isn't; it's just wise choice of weaponry.
I can't find much challenge info on Emin through Google. Can you please tell me where I should be looking to find this?
Some MMA's learn grappling for the sole purpose of being able to concentrate on striking. If you know how to escape clinches, avoid submissions and get off your back, you can concentrate on striking better.
Please, you've obviously have stated that it's useless to learn any "ring" fighting art for street defense, but still say MT can help you. Hypocrite.
But take down defence is a different thing than BJJ. In MT, I learn the upper body take down defence through clinching. The lower body shoots are not difficult to counter with knees once you've trained striking reflexes.
I never said that about ring fighting. I said ring fighting is just that, nothing more. How many times do I have to tell you?
It doesn't matter what style you do, you just have to understand there's a massive difference between ring and street.
Please, this isn't 1993 anymore. People who thought your bullshit were all proven wrong. Thiago Alves is a guy who likes to do nothing but strike, even while on the ground, and even he trains BJJ and grappling extensively, hence why he has some of the best takedown defense in his division. Cro Cop, Liddell, Rampage, etc. all train extensively in submission grappling even though they never go for submissions.
Soo, where's your "research" that says you'll face more than one guy on the street?
It's common to get attacked by more than one person. If you'd ever been in a few fights, you would know; people rarely start a fight alone.
Out of about 10 street fights I was in, I was always alone aside for one time where my brother was there. There was only one time where there was only 1 guy. The rest of the times, there were 2 or more. Grappling would have been useless in I think 8 out about 10 of my fights.
Also, I never once ended up on the ground. This is why you sound stupid.
Doesn't matter if they're trained or not trained. The ring is way different from the street, remember?
Haha, Dan Henderson took down Anderson Silva, and George St. Pierre took down Anderson Silva. Both of the Silvas train to stay standing up.
No, you said you're MORE LIKELY to be attacked by multiple opponents than just one guy. Now where's your research backing this up? Quit dodging, you fag.
Hmm, so it seems you like starting shit with groups of people. That makes you an idiot, haha.
Yes. Street fights are more likely to be you Vs. 3 dudes. I said that. I said it 10 times. Where did I say I don't think that? And BJJ is useless every time.
You havn't given me proof Emin is a fraud. I'm a good fighter, but most my street fights look like a mess too. Shit happens.
If you can't prove anything you're saying in the next post, I'm not coming back.
That's just common sense; on the street, people pick fights when not alone. I know that from experience. You're an idiot if you don't know that.
Yes, I looked somewhat like Emin. Yes, I was somewhat embarased. Still, it's not hard to see Emin trains his style hard. He knows how to fight. Only a retard monkey can't see it.
Pet is 13 years old, and no doubt could kick your ass. This is Muay Thai; you can talk all you like, but I'd bet all my cash you couldn't stand for long in these rings...
Yes, and people also pick fights when they ARE alone. A guy at my school is banned from a couple bars because he got into some fights there. Now quit stalling and provide this proof that you're more likely to face more than one guy in a street fight, 'cause I can find PLENTY of YouTube videos of 1v1 street fights.
You also seem to forget that MMA is a sport, but the fighters cross train in individual MA's, including MT. "MMA is a sport!" Haha, that's the crux of your argument and it's sad.
Hahaha! You must suck ballsack if you looked even REMOTELY like Boztepe. There's a scrawny kid at my school who can grapple and punch better than that fag and he's still new. You must be sucking his dick or something to still defend that asshole. Yes, keep tossing his salad, you loser. You two obviously are birds of a feather. In fact, you would like Boztepe's "anti-grappling". It appeals to dumbasses like you who know nothing about grappling and want to only learn how to "avoid" it.
And, yes, of course Boztepe trains his style hard. A good con man is always perfecting his game. He needs to make sure he maintains his air of mystique and "deadliness". He's good at conning gullible chunners and non-fighters. I'll give him that. I would be hard pressed to be as good a bullshitter as him. Then again, I have to sleep at night so he can keep his crown of being one the best bullshido masters. Keep worshipping the bitch though. Shield yourself from the truth.
Anyway, so you've no proof Emin is a fraud aside you saying so.
No proof MMA works on the street, and you also refuse to acknowledge the unrealisticness of ground fighting as a strategy on the street.
And you've no backing in your claim it owns all styles on the street.
When pushed into a corner, the best you can do is start talking about sport. That might cut it in UFC wonderland, but fact is you've no experience or evidence to support your dreams about real life.
Haha, I just gave you proof. I guess you have selective reading then. Not my problem. Proof of your bullshit comes in the fact that you "threatened" to not come back here if I didn't provide proof (which I did), and yet here you are again saying I didn't provide any proof. Haha, you're an utter joke.
Hmm, a collection of styles that cover every single aspect of hand-to-hand fighting in all ranges, both on the feet on the ground, vs. something else.... Yeah, you're a dumbass.
Yes. MMA is very broad; makes you jack of all trades and master of none. Pretty useless.
You know, since I started talking with you, I've gone and watched about 20 more Wing Chun vids, and I've noticed you've commented recently on every single one of them... you're some dedicarted nerd.
Anyway, I've said my piece. You remain, as before, arrogant.
It's great to have all your bases covered to compete in UFC sport. I'm saying for the street it's a waste of time; you won't need it. Infact, if the only reason you train is for the street, then devoting your time to a serious striking and throwing art would be a better option, allowing you to specialize, rather than wasting time doing useless shit.
And I train full time in Thailand; sure the WarCraft wasnt self directed?
This isnt bowing out; its realizing I've been talking to a retard
Yeah, how "useless" to have your bases covered in a street fight, because no one ever clinches or goes to the ground....
Hmm, throwing sounds like grappling. Backpedalling now?
Come on, fag, where's your proof that most street fights aren't 1v1? Keep dodging and keep pretending you're gonna stop replying. Everyone knows you're full of shit and you lie.
Oh, look, the liar/coward comes back once more, and once again without proof of his bullshit street fighting claims.
MT's grappling is rudimentary at best. It's suited for MT. The double collar tie is most certainly useful but the MT fighter's grappling is nothing compared to that of, say, a wrestler's. Just look how that MT guy went down even while hitting a wrestler.
Yes. I thought you might no tknow what to do with the code, that's why I also gave the full video title. Copy and paste it into the search, moron.
I doesn't matter if I'm immature. Because I am an adult. It's just funny to see a kid talking about serious stuff, and can't stop himself from swearing every second line like you've got your first period.
So now you think striking is bad on the street? Fuck you're dumb.
No complaints about his kicks but, yes, punching not very good. This is why so many MT guys have taken up western boxing techniques. It's the evolution of an art. You should just accept it instead of being a credulous, traditionalist fool who cringes at the idea of change (for the better).
How does it not matter if you're immature if you're an adult. That makes it matter all the more. What a stupid attitude. No wonder you buy Boztepe's con game.
Yodsenklai is a K-1 Champion, and considered one of the best Boxers in the world.
Why should anyone listen to you on striking technique now? You've clearly no idea what works.
For what it's worth, I don't even understand what "maturity" is. I stopped caring about it when I was about 17. I realized only children go on about it because they want to be big kids.
Of course, maturity aside, it's funny to see someone throwing a little tantrum like a 5 year old online.
Best boxers in the world? Hmm, funny because he looked like he was doing MT.
You don't even do anything yourself, so you're certainly in no position to say who knows what. The hands dropped and although the punches had power behind them they weren't all that quick. Better to throw quick combos than powerful punches in which the hand doesn't come back quickly.
Thai boxing is nothing more than a made-up western term for the sport. When you say "boxing" you are referring to western boxing, not any "type" of boxing. You might know that if you actually trained rather than playing "Warcraft" all the time.
Haha, nice lie, asshole. I said his punches weren't that good. Learn to listen and tell the truth, fag.
"Boxing" generally refers to Western Boxing. But not in Thailand. I live in Thailand. I say "Boxing". Now you're going to tell me American language is superior, also?
Yes, he's a Champ, and here you are (probably never fought pro) saying he's shit punching. Don't you see the stupidity in that? Is it not obvious you've yet to realize what works and what doesn't?
And given I literally live at a gym, I don't think I've to worry about not training enough... thanx.
I don't give a fuck where you live. We're on an American website with an American video and we're speaking English. Quit backpedalling, you fucktard.
Hmm, obviously the only "rebuttal" you have is, "He's a champ and you're not," since you have no training of your own. In fact, you never told me what you did other than LARP on YouTube. Nice dodging.
Lifting weights doesn't make you a good fighter. But you're right: since you live in a gym, you'll have plenty of others to fight FOR you.
No, not necessarily. Again, you only LARP, so leave the technical terms for those a little more experienced in the practices at hand. You just stick to sucking Boztepe's cock and pretending you're a MT "expert".
HAHAHHA Funy man you compare wing chun punh to a western punch hahaha you never fought with a win chun punch with your western punch? Your blow is good for a boxing match where there is rules but even mike tyson would get beaten by a women doing wing chun because no matter what if you keep your center and you forward his buldozer power to you side and you blow is straight at his boss (head) then the gameis yours. You dude know nothing about a true fight you just know hwo to talk on youtube.
Yes, that's the claim you losers make but you've yet to prove it. If WC punches are so great, then why the fuck does WC get knocked out so often? Hell, that "Fight Quest" video was a perfect example. One guy hit the chunners like a bobble head doll with very basic boxing punches. Also, you fuckers keep your center high, making it that much easier to not just hit but take you down as well. In a real fight with no rules, the chunner would be hospitalized, paralyzed or killed.
"Dman"? Christ, are you this incompetent? Yeah, yeah, keep saying I'm the dumb one. What have you done for your MA training this week? Oh, right, jackshit. You just LARP like the inactive, fatass fag you are.
Actually, if you look at how most fights work, the ground fighting emphasis in MMA puts it at a disadvantage in real life.
They sacrafice striking skills to waste time training BJJ that's only good in sport.
BJJ is impossible against weapons, multiple opponents or larger opponents; they most key present factors in real fights. So losing striking for it isn't good.
Also, ground fighting locks the fight; you lose the ability to run away, meaning if you become overwhelmed, it's OVER.
Haha, I've heard stories from tons of people who have used BJJ to great success. One guy just told me how he fought a guy from the bottom and the guy tried to eye gouge him but he still kicked his ass. Don't give me this "only works in sport". What the fuck is the MT guy gonna do when he gets thrown on the ground? Most fights go to the ground anyway, yet you're saying a guy who's used to having a ref let him get back to his feet is prepared for any street fight situation? You're a joke.
Of course, you're not going to have a 3 minute long clinch match. But with good clinching skill you'd be able to quickly pass a fighters gaurd, grab the back of his head and smash an elbow through his jaw, dropping him and letting you go straight onto the next fighter. It's also good for throwing the out of the way quickly.
It's about speed on the street, and not being tied down (like locked in wrestling).
What fucking planet are you on? Who the fuck have you seen "pass a guard" standing up? That's ground fighting, you fucking moron, not clinching. And, no, against a good grappler, you WON'T be able to do that, otherwise people would be doing it. All this shit you claim is so easy, you've obviously have NEVER done. Put your bullshit to the test and do MMA if you're so confident.
Grappling works both ways. You can both use it offensively and defensively. Quit LARPing, you fucktard.
Fuck dude. It's sport, it's not real. It doesn't prove anything. You mose as well say being a Jedi is the best way, it has as much realism as MMA.
I didn't claim MT is ultimate. You say MMA is unbeatable, but you've no proof. I said MT is better, because it doesn't waste valuable training time on the ground; a place you don't want to be on the street.
SPORT IS NOT REAL. Get it? IT ISN'T REAL. You need real proof. You wont find any, because it doesn't exist.
Did I say doing MT in the ring means you're hardcore on the street? No. So I've nothing to defend.
You said doing MMA in the ring makes you hardcore on the street. I ask for proof, you give none.
I'm not saying you should not do what style you want, I'm saying you should not assume you can kick ass just because you're good at a monitored game with pillows on your hands...
So, because MMA and MT are both sports, neither would help you in a self-defense situation? Great, then I guess you're on the same level as a tennis player in terms of street fighting. Nicely done. ^_^
I never said anything about "hardcore". I said MMA is as close to a simulated street fight as you'll get, and its techniques and strategies are extremely applicable to street fighting.
"...because you're good at a monitored game with pillows on your hands..."
By the way, MMA gloves are a fraction of the size of MT/boxing gloves. The padding is much thinner and the gloves are much lighter. How you call that "pillows" while you use the much larger glove is just ridiculous. Then again, you're not very intelligent....
You don't get it; it doesn't matter that MT gloves are big because I never said that playing MT in the ring means you can own all other styles on the street.
Boztepe does hide, you fucking retard. He dodges challenges after talking shit. His stupid shit doesn't work either. Go watch his "anti-grappling" "techniques". They're complete jokes (as are you).
So MT doesn't work on the street, MMA doesn't work on the street, no sport works on the street.... Yeah, nothing works, hahaha. You're a dumbass.
Fact is, MMA puts you in a very tight situation. Yes, if you're on top doing the ground and pound then you're lucky.
What about the other guy? He made an epic fucking failure, didn't he?
Fighting on the street is about avoiding being backed into the wall, avoiding having to block strikes from two people at once, avoiding having someone sit on you and punch your face in.
Going to the ground is the same as stepping backwards into the corner of a room; only a dick'd do it on the street.
"Yes, if you're on top doing the ground and pound then you're lucky."
BWUAHAHAHA! Yes, it's all "luck" that a guy gets on top. It's not like he TRAINS for that....
"He made an epic fucking failure, didn't he?"
No, dipshit. See, the nice part about MMA grappling is it teaches you what to do in such disadvantageous positions. You'd know that if you had even the slightest clue.
Hmm, all your talk about street fighting and you ignore the fact that many MMA's dominate street fights. Loser.
By the way, you dodged my points about how the kid has shitty punching, a square stance and a weak clinch. You also failed in this entire time to defend WC or Boztepe's shittiness. Nice going, cunt. Way to fail in epic fashion. ^_^
Dude, his Muay Thai is good. WTF are you talking about? Pet has done over 100 fights, won most of them, and is still going. How is anyone going to believe you now?
You don't get it; just because you don't understand, it doesn't mean you should ignore reality.
Emin is not a fraud. He does do WC and is good at it. How is he a fraud? If he said he street fight when he didn't perhaps he's a liar (but maybe he did do it), yet not a fraud.
Dude, you're still dodging his poor punching, square stance, weak kicks, etc. But please, continue to "own" me with, "He's good."
If WC is an art in which one never spars, then, yes, he's good. Not much of an art though....
Yes, you're a fraud when you claim a fighting background you don't actually have in order to promote your curriculum. I've never trained under anyone as arrogant and full of shit as him (fortunately). He would get his ass kicked against any decent MA.
So you have proof Emin never fought, then? Show me. I think you're dreaming, again.
Pet does not have "poor punching" skills for Muay Thai. Traditional Muay Thai does not have complex punching. His skills fit his style. Why can't you see that? Who does every style have to do things the same as yours?
In the end, he's learning from a former Thai Champ; who the fuck is going to listen to some net nerd who's scared of showing people his gym website?
Umm, wrong, dumbass, it's Boztepe's job to prove he HAS fought. Isn't it interesting that you can find tons of videos of this guy LARPing about how awesome WC and his curriculum are, but you can't find a single video of him so much as sparring except when he sucker attacked Cheung? Yes, quite telling.
Lousy punching is part of traditional MT? Too bad. I do find it funny though that you think this sort of weakness is a good attribute though.
Why does Emin have to prove he fought? I've done a lot of shit in my past, too. I can't prove most of it. That doesn't mean it never happened.
But if someone wants to claim Emin is a fraud, they'd better have proof if they want to be taken seriously.
I see you're never going to listen to me. So why don't you do a Muay Thai fight against these Thais in Thailand, and see how much better your style is? Why not? You know you won't win.
"Haha, I've heard stories from tons of people who have used BJJ to great success. One guy just told me how he fought a guy from the bottom and the guy tried to eye gouge him but he still kicked his ass!"
And what the fuck are you talking about? BJJ was made FOR street self-defense. It has techniques for dealing with weapons, fucking bozo, and this "multiple opponent" argument is nothing short of a joke. You say the MT guy can't fight or grapple for shit yet would be able to take on many guys? One clinch lock-up and he's screwed.
MMA was made by using ONLY what works in a free-for-all combat situation. MA got a real wake-up call with it.
MT IS A SPORT, DUMBASS! HAHAHA! YET IT'S BETTER???
A good striker can land blows quickly, and keep other enemies at a distance, allowing him to fight his enemies one at a time and quickly with no nonsense.
But MMA sacrafices striking for ground work; if you take someone down on the street and he has friends, you'll get your head stomped in straight away. No questions; it wont work.
It also almost never works against alrger people.
You gotta consider, the chance of getting attacked by large and multiple opponents is high = MMA not good.
Haha, you must still think you're in 1993. Sorry, that myth about striking being able to fend off grappling has been shown to be bullshit. The Gracies went around even before 1993 to show how fucking wrong that notion was. You JUST saw a wrestler easily get a hole of a pure MT striker. Get a grip, asshole
Yawn, spare me of your cliches on ground fighting. Heard 'em all, all bullshit.
So if multiple attackers take you on none will try to grab you? Fucking idiot, you watch too many movies.
If you can't accept all this evidence that Boztepe is a fucking cocksucking fraud, then you should just kill yourself, because a gullible credophile like yourself is completely useless to society.
And, no, you can't have my school's website. That would give you a clue as to my whereabouts.
Now you're afraid I'll find your where abouts... and here you are laughing at someone else when they got in a real fight, but shy of doing one yourself.
I'm not in America, anyway. You're safe. I just want to see your gym since you laugh at everyone elses.
No, I'm "shy" of telling internet freaks where I live. Why you need to know where I live is beyond me. Apparently you're either a psycho or a pervert or maybe even both.
After some blowhard brags about having 300 bare knuckle street fights and then calling MMA "barbaric", yes, I do expect him to take on a simple challenge since he obviously has no qualms about fighting.
Haha, MMA showed MT guys they need to know how to grapple. Anderson Silva is "gay", is he? Fucking closet loser.
UFC and MMA are for sensei to fight each other from different countries with different MMA style. Even Ip man said that there isn't a best fighter style because it depends how good is the person in the ring.
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the reason wing chun doesn't have formal sparring is because it's so dangerous. A person could be damaged for life or even killed in a wing chun match because wing chun has no rules. Organized wing chun sparring was banned in some countries because of its brutality. Just imagine taking a front kick to the kneecap or a flat palm under the nose. it's what you do in wing chun. you finish the fight as quickly as possible
Caeluth, you're quite a shithead. It's been well-established by now that the ONLY way you will be able to pull off these moves in real life is through sparring, a situation in which you have someone who is actively resisting your intentions and who wants to win as badly as you do. Besides, where the fuck are the "deadly" moves Boztepe showed here, or better yet, the Cheung fight? I've never even heard of a chunner killing someone. You're a fucking clown. Go back to your comic books, loser.
For a more "deadly" demonstration, I suggest you click, "Wing Tsun emin boztepe" over at the right under related video. Head stomping, elbow hacking throats, etc.... I don't think it is a sure way to kill, but the injuries will be deadly to MMA fighters careers.
Haha, those are all mock attacks on compliant dummies, just like in every WC video. It's either that or patty cake. You fucking losers can't even show a video of you sparring. Do you seriously just LARP and act out these fantasy scenarios during "practice" (in your backyard or tool shed)? Why is it you retards never actually fight? Why do you talk about how "deadly" you are when none of you have even come close to killing anyone? Grow the fuck up, douche.
Rmaul, what I don't get is HOW they arrive to the conclusion that their shit is too deadly. I've yet to see ONE WC video that showed anything any more "deadly" than something like karate or kickboxing (though those two styles aren't afraid of putting it on the line in a full-contact fight). It's like punches, kicks, elbows and knees.... Same shit other arts have.
And if it's too "deadly" for the ring, then how do they practice it in the WC mcdojo? Apparently you play act WC....
Kommisar, I think the reason they say thier too "deadly " is to attract students There's a lot of of guilible people who fall into that fantasy. The only one who profits are the sifus that sell this crap.
Agreed. Unfortunately, so many gullible or at best ignoramuses buy into that bullshit. Even worse, the real gullible ones make excuses as soon as their WC fails them. They say it was all their fault and not the art's. Rather sad.
What I always find funny is how MMA was considered barbaric, illegal and called human cockfighting in the U.S. at one point, and yet WC is supposedly much more "brutal" than it. Don't you find that extremely ironic? I don't recall John McCain condemning WC....
I notice you spend a lot of time saying how useless WT/WC is. Perhaps you could show us your skills? I obviously don't know anything about you or your background, but I'd also suggest that you look in your yellow pages for your local WC/WT Sifu and turn up for a taster. Don't mess about with the learners, beginners are beginners for a reason. I'm not saying challenge the Sifu to a match to the death, but ask for a free spar, video it and post it on here. If you win then great, otherwise sh!
I notice you spend a lot of time saying how useless WT/WC is. Perhaps you could show us your skills? I obviously don't know anything about you or your background, but I'd also suggest that you look in your yellow pages for your local WC/WT Sifu and turn up for a taster. Don't mess about with the learners, beginners are beginners for a reason. I'm not saying challenge the Sifu to a match to the death, but ask for a free spar, video it and post it on here. If you win then great, otherwise sh!
Mmm, no, because the argument is not whether or not I can beat a chunner. The argument is whether or not WC and the crap Boztepe is showing here work. So how about YOU go tell one of these WC guys to post a video of them winning an MMA fight? Until then, shh!
I'm sorry, I thought that you were implying that your skills were better than what was being shown here. You seem very sure that WC/WT is bullshit and useless, and the only way for YOU to find the truth is to test it, not ask someone else to post a video. Any video that is posted you will claim to be fake. it is down to YOU to prove YOUR point, no one else. Again, I urge you to attend a WC/WT session if you have not already done so. Much can be learned from all MA, no one system is perfect.
No, I don't need to try everything out to know whether or not it's bullshit. Do I need to smoke crack to know it's bad for you and fucks you up?
I can point out many technical flaws in this stupid seminar but you're obviously not at a level capable of understanding such matters. Go train in full-contact fighting yourself and tell me any of this crap works.
You seem to be mistaken. I don't need to prove anything to you. I have not made any claims regarding the effectiveness or otherwise of WC/WT - that was you. What I'm pointing out is that if YOU have no actual experience of something then your opinion of it is just that - an opinion. And opinions are worthless. Perhaps if you spent less time posting your opinion and more time experiencing, you would understand this. What FC training do you do so that I may go and have a go?
Erm.... Full Contact - you know, the thing you were urging me to train in. So enlighten me to your training and I will give it a bash.
I also just re-read my comments and I have made no claims about WC/WT - I suggested you go and test it out FOR YOURSELF. Also - YOU - have given no evidence, neither have you explained anything you have merely posted your opinion, and when challenged to back it up you've indulged in a bit of abuse. Classy.
Again, I already responded to your stupid "try it out for yourself" logic. Do I need to try out crack to say it's bad for one?
I already gave you evidence WC sucks. Watch it in NHB/style vs. style fights. It loses every time. Need more? Watch the "Fight Quest" episode. In real life it looks NOTHING like the fancy demonstrations Boztepe does. It looks like shit-fuck kickboxing. Need more? Boztepe vs. Cheung. Two WC "masters" that "fight" like little girls. That enough?
Why are you being so cagey? What MMA are you doing, under whom? Reasoning that you won't try Wing Chun because you wouldn't try crack is not actually a reason, it's an excuse (and if you can't tell the difference between a narcotic and WC then you have other, bigger problems to deal with). You have no personal experience of Wing Chun, either as practitioner nor recipient - as such your OPINION of the effectiveness of it is invalid. BTW - how many puppet accounts do you have?
Haha, WC is just as stupid as crack. Grown men getting together for games of patty cake so they can fool themselves into thinking they are training practical self-defense. I'd rather do forms and board-breaking.
No, I don't need an "excuse" not to try WC. There are dozens of videos of it to show me what it's like. I've already exposed the stupidity of your "try it for yourself" logic several times now. Get a grip and grow the fuck up.
You have proven nothing. You have not trained WC/WT or even fought against someone who has (from what I can gather) and so base your whole opinion on what you see on Youtube? Now I know that you're lying about crack as you are obviously smoking it right now!
Watching a video does not make you an expert in something, nor does it experience you in it. If you don't understand that then there is obviously nothing else to say to you.
I don't have to be an expert to know when something is shit, just like I don't have to be a culinary expert to know when food has gone bad. All these videos of WC are up to show everyone how "good" it is, yet you're saying the only way you can get a real idea of what it's like is to fight a chunner or practice WC? You're a fucking idiot. Either show us why WC is so good or shut the fuck up. You're clearly here to argue for argument's sake. That or you're just that stupid to fall for WC.
Let's get something straight here - I don't have to prove anything to you. And yes, I am saying that you can not base your opinion of something on a Youtube video. I would have thought that that would be obvious.
Now backup a bit. I'm still waiting for you to "point out many technical flaws in this stupid seminar" - you said it, now how about you back it up.
You also said that you'd rather break boards - good for you, but boards don't hit back.
All you're doing is arguing for argument's sake. You have no point other other than I haven't done WC. Fucking weak.
You want some technical flaws? OK, for starters, how come it's such a good idea to stick your chin out when you fight? Why does he advocate using short, weak punches instead of effective long ones with actual hip power? Why doesn't he ever find a person who actually knows how to grapple when he's demonstrating his "crappling" techniques?
Is that it? Is that your superior knowledge that I would not understand? Wow, I'm completely underwhelmed by your brilliance. Your ignorance, breathtaking. It should now be blindingly obvious why my argument is that your opinion is void due to your lack of experience in WC.
Long punches? Great, you can come and spar with me anytime!
WC and grappling - search "Chinaboxer". Although you will undoubtedly call bullshit, so try it for youself (again), and stop basing your opinion on crappy YT vids.
"Lack of experience" is not a valid argument for why I'm wrong. I've said this over and over, you simpleton -- especially considering you haven't provided ANY other argument besides that.
You fucking idiot, what was the point of that search? It was a waste of my time. What don't you understand about this? WC HAS NO GRAPPLING. They just ripped it off from BJJ as soon as it got big in the UFC. Notice how there was no "anti-grappling" prior to that, fucktard.
By the way, if "Chinaboxer" is referring to a YouTube video poster, I watched some of his videos. The man's a total fraud and teaches fucking shit when it comes to grappling and MMA-related stuff. (I don't know how good his WC is but I don't really care.) I know guys who have been studying MMA for 6 months who are better than this clown. He's nothing but a fraud who doesn't even have a school to do his videos out of. He does it out of a fitness gym, haha! That's 'cause he sucks.
Well, as I already said, everyone is entitled to their opinion. No matter how worthless it, or they are.
You've said nothing new and have continually refused to gain any personal experience of WC so there is nothing more to say to you.
Good luck with your uber 1337 MMA skills and training. If your AFK attitude is as confrontational as your online one then I'm sure you'll be exercising them for real on a regular basis (hope you have health insurance).
You WC dummies are all the same. As soon as you realize your typical WC bullshit/excuse script doesn't work, you tell the person they're close-minded and all that. How about you just shut me up and show me of a single chunner beating another stylist in a full-contact fight?
By the way, chinaboxer's a fraud. I commented on one of his videos about why his shit doesn't work and he blocked me. Asshole doesn't want anyone ruining his con game.
Again, I'm not your personal dictionary and as you feel that I am beneath you I have long since stopped attempting to educate you.
As I said before, you would call any video bullshit, so YOU should go and either train with some WC, or fight one. Then you can be confident of your claims.
And if your attitude to Chinaboxer is as poor as it is on this thread, I'm not surprised he blocked you.
All that needs to be said has been said. You're still ignorant, and I have made no claims about WC.
It's not asking you to be my "personal directory" when I demand proof of your ludicrous claims, you fucking bozo. You talk all big about WC but have nothing to show for it. Typical.
chinaboxer is a complete fraud. He knows fuck all when it comes to anything outside of WC. He's not even good enough to teach inside an actual WC school, hence why his bullshit is done in a basketball gym.
Plus, he blocked all my comments 'cause he doesn't like dissent. What a punk.
Sifu emin is one of the best fighters in wingchun although i was a william cheung student he is very very good in what he does,and i totally agree with konstantine wingchun is not for sparring with Wanderlei Silva.Wingchun is an art that gives you a total selfdefense thinking how to do something (if you can do) when someone attacks you out on the street.It is an art that firts learns you how to think and then how to fight.Punches is for animals human fights with his brain don't forget that.
streetdefensegr 1 month ago
,,,,,,I can beat anybody who is 20 years older than me,,,,,,
noformstyle 9 months ago
@noformstyle Indeed. And if you understand wing chun, in 20 years you'll be able to beat someone 20 years younger than you. :)
sloppymantis 4 months ago
EBMAS is the best !!
im doing this and now nobody defeat me
duddits911 10 months ago
WT, the gayest " Martial Art " of all time...
SherAFG 1 year ago
@SherAFG hahahah agreed
pornpan96 1 year ago
@SherAFG most problably you've got smacked by a guy using WC, get over it
00Ghz 1 year ago
@00Ghz ahahahahahahahahahaahaha
SherAFG 1 year ago
永春拳 has only two pronunciations, yong chun quan (mandarin) and wing chun kuen (Cantonese), and oly one meaning. Emin, whats next? hooouuuuing tjzhooon?
jeff61177 1 year ago
@jeff61177 actually I don't think Emin came up with the pronunciation. It was used by Leung Ting to make his style different from others
Seankwondo87 11 months ago
@Seankwondo87 whatever it is its gibberish. its lie if i wanted to be different and always spelled different as "dyfuhrint". wing tsun, is not chinese, english,or turkish.
jeff61177 11 months ago
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BGZBadboy claims he can kick Emin's ass but is such a coward. I wonder if any WC fighters in Joplin, MO to look him up? Let me know so we can arrange it.
theangelrules007 1 year ago
@theangelrules007 First, you threaten me with Wong Jack Man, Rick Wing, and the dreaded "Dim-mak"...lol. When that didn't work, you threatened me with the East coast BGZ crew and Novell Bell. When I called your shit on that, you threatened me with the Bullshido group, and finally, now, you're threatening to sick Emin Boztepe on me...lol. You went on to call Erle Montaigue and the entire WTBA organization a bunch of pussies...lol. Pretty clear who the pussy really is:)
BGZBadboy 1 year ago
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@theangelrules007 Oh, BTW...exactly when did I claim to be able to "kick Emin's ass"? Exactly where is that comment posted? Oh yeah, I remember...NEVER and NOWHERE...lol. Enlighten us, dumbass, how does it feel to get busted as a lying, shit-stirring, coward piece of shit? I figured you should know better than almost anyone...lol. Got a little sand in your vagina? Hmmm, dumbass?:)
BGZBadboy 1 year ago
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@theangelrules007 Oh, BTW...exactly when did I claim to be able to "kick Emin's ass"? Exactly where is that comment posted? Oh yeah, I remember...NEVER and NOWHERE...lol. Enlighten us, dumbass, how does it feel to get busted as a lying, shit-stirring, coward piece of shit? I figured you should know better than almost anyone...lol. Got a little sand in your vagina? Hmmm, dumbass?:)
BGZBadboy 1 year ago
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@theangelrules007 Oh, BTW...exactly when did I claim to be able to "kick Emin's ass"? Exactly where is that comment posted? Oh yeah, I remember...NEVER and NOWHERE...lol. Enlighten us, dumbass, how does it feel to get busted as a lying, shit-stirring, coward piece of shit? I figured you should know better than almost anyone...lol. Got a little sand in your vagina? Hmmm, dumbass?:)
BGZBadboy 1 year ago
Wing chun is the weakest of all martial arts.
gorfjorf2112112 1 year ago
@gorfjorf2112112 funny guy
iiiStream 1 year ago
@iiiStream - Not so funny when I kick your ass.
gorfjorf2112112 1 year ago
@gorfjorf2112112 even in youre dreams thats not possible
iiiStream 1 year ago
@iiiStream - ...and then I'll kick your teacher's ass afterwards.
gorfjorf2112112 1 year ago
@gorfjorf2112112 haha bigmouth internet MartialArtist
iiiStream 1 year ago
@iiiStream - ...and then I'll beat up everyone at your school. Cuz you guys act tough on the internet...but face to face your bon sao and tan sao will do shit all when I bite your head off.
gorfjorf2112112 1 year ago
@gorfjorf2112112 hahahahaah internet wong fei hung
iiiStream 1 year ago
@iiiStream - Rectum breath.
gorfjorf2112112 1 year ago
@gorfjorf2112112 Walk into a WT school if you're so though bitch, or should I call you Monica?
YTDRUMS 1 year ago
@YTDRUMS - ...and another thing. You guys suck balls.
gorfjorf2112112 1 year ago
@YTDRUMS - ...and you're weak. WEAK i tell ya!
gorfjorf2112112 1 year ago
great clip.very informative.
ainu97 1 year ago
Dear friends i have to say just one think,you may agree or not,Ufc or K1 or cage fights....nice they are good and very very strong men BUT...the spend all the time they got in what?gyms and rings and gyms and rings,ok they are strong ok the are fast but do they live like me or you?(work,scool,wife kids ?friends family,dog, fishing.hunting play games?)the point is that WT is a martial art for every one,for a fireman or a teacher or a fishman if you see what i mean...be well God bless all
kwstantine 1 year ago 32
@kwstantine I just can´t imagine myself in a situation where I have to fight a UFC or K1 fighter. My routine should change quite a lot to be in such scenario.
fibrisso 11 months ago
@kwstantine
Guess you've never heard of Shane Carwin. Still a full time engineer here in Colorado. You're also discounting what fighters did on the way up. GSP worked three jobs while training when he first started. You're making an argument based on a snapshot of fighters at the top.
KaelinSaint 10 months ago
I'm a boxer but I recently noticed wing chun and it grabbed my attention!I will most certainly try it out.
ZailBG 1 year ago 2
without people like emin, ip man, bruce lee etc we would not have mma,uf,or whatever. just respect peoples teachings...happy arguing peoples...
waza8u 1 year ago
there are 12 student leves of wing tzun. and these are the some basics of first and second level.
eqlx2 2 years ago 7
Wing Chun is not what you learn ins schools.. Emin Poztebe is very powerful (good chi level) but he will never teach you when you pay him, yes he will teach you how to do that and this but not the real secret of wing Chun the real secret you will learn from a true master that has no successor because he is nto allowed to teach to someone that is not Chinese. Q Cong is has no counter it is unstoppable once you eat one of Emin's blow your life will be on a thin line and possibly you will die.
Pixel3 2 years ago
I see you have fallen hard for the cheesy Chinese bullshit. You apparently watch way too many movies, are extremely out of touch with reality and are entirely inactive as far as serious training/fighting goes. Boztepe is a fraud and was exposed as such in his fight with Cheung. Where were Boztepe's "deadly blows" there? You're as pathetic as they come. Get a grip, you fucking loser.
kommisar 2 years ago
Where did Emin dodge a challenge? Was the challenge issued to his face, or via some stupid press conference YouTube vid that no one takes seriously?
I think Emin expects people who want to fight him to come and fight him. Not sit there talking about it.
SarahSunwalker 2 years ago
Go read up on how Boztepe has dodged challenges, you fucking dork.
Boztepe doesn't fight though. How many times must this be explained to you? Get off crack.
Haha, back to your double standards: MT works for street fighting, MMA doesn't, even though both are sports. Please, your argument is as stupid as it is illogical.
Most street fights go to the ground and have grappling. Looks like you're wrong again.
Hmm, where's this "research" of yours supporting you'll most likely face 2+ people?
kommisar 2 years ago
I don't need research. I've been in enough real fights to know how they work. I never once ended up on the ground.
The statistic you hear saying most fights go to the ground is true, yes. This is because most fights are done by people who're untrained, and do not try and stay on their feet.
The statistic of how many stand up fighters actually end up on the ground would be very eye opening for you, I think.
SarahSunwalker 2 years ago
"...and do not try and stay on their feet."
Bullshit. Who WANTS to go to the ground if they don't know how to ground fight? The only time they would WANT to go on the ground is if the guy is already on there and they are 100% sure they can get the top position.
If you can't see why Boztepe's techniques don't work, then you don't know shit about striking.
kommisar 2 years ago
The statistic that says most fights end up on the ground takes into account untrained people.
These people mostly don't even want to fight, let alone do they know how to.
Most end up on the ground because they trip, or curl up scared or are KO'd due to bad blocking.
How can this prove that someone who actually does train needs or even wants complex BJJ? It doesn't.
The real statistics are the odds that a trained fighter will face.
I see you cant provide links to Emin's challenges
SarahSunwalker 2 years ago
Yeah, hmm, why would anyone need to learn how to fight on the ground if that's where most fights end up.... That statistic takes into mind even trained strikers. I've also heard plenty of stories of wrestlers slamming guys and punching their faces in. MT won't help you with that, as shown in the video link I gave you.
Can you find ONE fight Boztepe has EVER done other than that embarrassing scrap with Cheung? No. And can you find one video of Boztepe really sparring? No.
kommisar 2 years ago
I told you a thousand times why being on the ground is a bad idea. You're obviously just too stupid to realize it.
So, you're going to admit you have no proof Emin is a fraud yet?
Same as you're going to admit you have no proof MMA would own all other styles on the street?
Damn dreamer if there ever was one...
SarahSunwalker 2 years ago
Yes, of course you "know" why it's a bad idea to be on the ground. That's because you don't know what the fuck you're doing down there.
I already gave you proof of Boztepe's fraudulence. Type in "Cheung vs. Boztepe" and find one credible piece of evidence Boztepe can fight for real. The latter doens't exist anywhere on the net except by stupefied chunners who "chi soa'ed" with him. His "anti-grappling" techniques are pathetic too, but you don't know shit about grappling so you wouldn't know
kommisar 2 years ago
I've no double standards. Ring fights don't prove street worth, regardless of style.
Grappling is a bad idea on the street.
How are these double standards? That's like saying me chosing to fight with an AK47 over a baretta because of the cyclic rate, range and power is a double standard... it isn't; it's just wise choice of weaponry.
I can't find much challenge info on Emin through Google. Can you please tell me where I should be looking to find this?
SarahSunwalker 2 years ago
Some MMA's learn grappling for the sole purpose of being able to concentrate on striking. If you know how to escape clinches, avoid submissions and get off your back, you can concentrate on striking better.
Please, you've obviously have stated that it's useless to learn any "ring" fighting art for street defense, but still say MT can help you. Hypocrite.
kommisar 2 years ago
But take down defence is a different thing than BJJ. In MT, I learn the upper body take down defence through clinching. The lower body shoots are not difficult to counter with knees once you've trained striking reflexes.
I never said that about ring fighting. I said ring fighting is just that, nothing more. How many times do I have to tell you?
It doesn't matter what style you do, you just have to understand there's a massive difference between ring and street.
SarahSunwalker 2 years ago
Please, this isn't 1993 anymore. People who thought your bullshit were all proven wrong. Thiago Alves is a guy who likes to do nothing but strike, even while on the ground, and even he trains BJJ and grappling extensively, hence why he has some of the best takedown defense in his division. Cro Cop, Liddell, Rampage, etc. all train extensively in submission grappling even though they never go for submissions.
Soo, where's your "research" that says you'll face more than one guy on the street?
kommisar 2 years ago
It's common to get attacked by more than one person. If you'd ever been in a few fights, you would know; people rarely start a fight alone.
Out of about 10 street fights I was in, I was always alone aside for one time where my brother was there. There was only one time where there was only 1 guy. The rest of the times, there were 2 or more. Grappling would have been useless in I think 8 out about 10 of my fights.
Also, I never once ended up on the ground. This is why you sound stupid.
SarahSunwalker 2 years ago
How can a stat that says most fights end up on the ground be relevant when it includes untrained people, anyway?
I told you, find one that only includes people who're trained to stay up, and see if it's different. Moron.
SarahSunwalker 2 years ago
Doesn't matter if they're trained or not trained. The ring is way different from the street, remember?
Haha, Dan Henderson took down Anderson Silva, and George St. Pierre took down Anderson Silva. Both of the Silvas train to stay standing up.
No, you said you're MORE LIKELY to be attacked by multiple opponents than just one guy. Now where's your research backing this up? Quit dodging, you fag.
Hmm, so it seems you like starting shit with groups of people. That makes you an idiot, haha.
kommisar 2 years ago
Yes. Street fights are more likely to be you Vs. 3 dudes. I said that. I said it 10 times. Where did I say I don't think that? And BJJ is useless every time.
You havn't given me proof Emin is a fraud. I'm a good fighter, but most my street fights look like a mess too. Shit happens.
If you can't prove anything you're saying in the next post, I'm not coming back.
Prove:
1. Emin is fraud.
2. MMA works on the street.
3. MMA owns other styles on the street.
Last chance Dont dodge
SarahSunwalker 2 years ago
And I asked you where your proof of this "multiple opponent" crap comes from. You still haven't provided any.
Haha, if you have EVER looked anything like Boztepe did in his one, actual fight, you should feel quite embarrassed.
The only one here who has dodged is you. Hell, you even defend shitty punching as an attribute.
kommisar 2 years ago
That's just common sense; on the street, people pick fights when not alone. I know that from experience. You're an idiot if you don't know that.
Yes, I looked somewhat like Emin. Yes, I was somewhat embarased. Still, it's not hard to see Emin trains his style hard. He knows how to fight. Only a retard monkey can't see it.
Pet is 13 years old, and no doubt could kick your ass. This is Muay Thai; you can talk all you like, but I'd bet all my cash you couldn't stand for long in these rings...
SarahSunwalker 2 years ago
Yes, and people also pick fights when they ARE alone. A guy at my school is banned from a couple bars because he got into some fights there. Now quit stalling and provide this proof that you're more likely to face more than one guy in a street fight, 'cause I can find PLENTY of YouTube videos of 1v1 street fights.
You also seem to forget that MMA is a sport, but the fighters cross train in individual MA's, including MT. "MMA is a sport!" Haha, that's the crux of your argument and it's sad.
kommisar 2 years ago
Hahaha! You must suck ballsack if you looked even REMOTELY like Boztepe. There's a scrawny kid at my school who can grapple and punch better than that fag and he's still new. You must be sucking his dick or something to still defend that asshole. Yes, keep tossing his salad, you loser. You two obviously are birds of a feather. In fact, you would like Boztepe's "anti-grappling". It appeals to dumbasses like you who know nothing about grappling and want to only learn how to "avoid" it.
kommisar 2 years ago
And, yes, of course Boztepe trains his style hard. A good con man is always perfecting his game. He needs to make sure he maintains his air of mystique and "deadliness". He's good at conning gullible chunners and non-fighters. I'll give him that. I would be hard pressed to be as good a bullshitter as him. Then again, I have to sleep at night so he can keep his crown of being one the best bullshido masters. Keep worshipping the bitch though. Shield yourself from the truth.
kommisar 2 years ago
Anyway, so you've no proof Emin is a fraud aside you saying so.
No proof MMA works on the street, and you also refuse to acknowledge the unrealisticness of ground fighting as a strategy on the street.
And you've no backing in your claim it owns all styles on the street.
When pushed into a corner, the best you can do is start talking about sport. That might cut it in UFC wonderland, but fact is you've no experience or evidence to support your dreams about real life.
You lose.
SarahSunwalker 2 years ago
Haha, I just gave you proof. I guess you have selective reading then. Not my problem. Proof of your bullshit comes in the fact that you "threatened" to not come back here if I didn't provide proof (which I did), and yet here you are again saying I didn't provide any proof. Haha, you're an utter joke.
Hmm, a collection of styles that cover every single aspect of hand-to-hand fighting in all ranges, both on the feet on the ground, vs. something else.... Yeah, you're a dumbass.
kommisar 2 years ago
Yes. MMA is very broad; makes you jack of all trades and master of none. Pretty useless.
You know, since I started talking with you, I've gone and watched about 20 more Wing Chun vids, and I've noticed you've commented recently on every single one of them... you're some dedicarted nerd.
Anyway, I've said my piece. You remain, as before, arrogant.
Have fun, my fuzzy little poodle nerd.
SarahSunwalker 2 years ago
Yeah, so "useless" to have all your bases covered. Haha, you really are an idiot.
Also, many MMA's ARE masters of a discipline. Dan Henderson is a 2-time Olympic wrestler for example.
Good to see you finally bow out. Better stick to something you're good at, like "Warcraft" and tossing salad.
kommisar 2 years ago
It's great to have all your bases covered to compete in UFC sport. I'm saying for the street it's a waste of time; you won't need it. Infact, if the only reason you train is for the street, then devoting your time to a serious striking and throwing art would be a better option, allowing you to specialize, rather than wasting time doing useless shit.
And I train full time in Thailand; sure the WarCraft wasnt self directed?
This isnt bowing out; its realizing I've been talking to a retard
SarahSunwalker 2 years ago
Yeah, how "useless" to have your bases covered in a street fight, because no one ever clinches or goes to the ground....
Hmm, throwing sounds like grappling. Backpedalling now?
Come on, fag, where's your proof that most street fights aren't 1v1? Keep dodging and keep pretending you're gonna stop replying. Everyone knows you're full of shit and you lie.
kommisar 2 years ago
I think now you're just pissed because I saw you've posted on almost every Wing Chun vid on YouTube, and you feel bad coz you're a nerd. LOL
Throws as in Muay Thai clinches and Judo, dumbass.
SarahSunwalker 2 years ago
Oh, look, the liar/coward comes back once more, and once again without proof of his bullshit street fighting claims.
MT's grappling is rudimentary at best. It's suited for MT. The double collar tie is most certainly useful but the MT fighter's grappling is nothing compared to that of, say, a wrestler's. Just look how that MT guy went down even while hitting a wrestler.
kommisar 2 years ago
Dude, it's sport. It isn't real.
SarahSunwalker 2 years ago
MT's not real either. All sport, all fake. Doesn't work in the street. ^_^
kommisar 2 years ago
How old are you? I'm guessing early to mid teens...
SarahSunwalker 2 years ago
Oh, and dick sucker, look at this vid:
Yodsanklai Fairtex Training in Pattaya Thailand
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LOL, another champ with "shit punching technique"! LOL
Just thought I could supply with some more laughter material...
SarahSunwalker 2 years ago
What the fuck kind of link is that? It doesn't work.
Come on, asshole, quit dodging and provide this proof that most street fights involve multiple people attacking one guy.
Oh, and isn't it funny that you're STILL here despite saying you were through talking to me. ^_^
kommisar 2 years ago
You can't post links on YouTube, moron. You have to use your brain to find the vid yourself.
And I am through with serious discussion with you; now I'm just taking the piss out of you.
So how old are you? 12? 13?
SarahSunwalker 2 years ago
You post everything past the "com" part, moron. I don't know what fuck to do with that half-assed link you gave me.
Oh, so you're so bored you have to try to piss me off. Mmm, very mature. I seem to recall you criticizing me for something similar.
Face it, MT's a sport. Doesn't work on the street. Pet would get his ass kicked on the street. ^_^
kommisar 2 years ago
Yes. I thought you might no tknow what to do with the code, that's why I also gave the full video title. Copy and paste it into the search, moron.
I doesn't matter if I'm immature. Because I am an adult. It's just funny to see a kid talking about serious stuff, and can't stop himself from swearing every second line like you've got your first period.
So now you think striking is bad on the street? Fuck you're dumb.
SarahSunwalker 2 years ago
No complaints about his kicks but, yes, punching not very good. This is why so many MT guys have taken up western boxing techniques. It's the evolution of an art. You should just accept it instead of being a credulous, traditionalist fool who cringes at the idea of change (for the better).
How does it not matter if you're immature if you're an adult. That makes it matter all the more. What a stupid attitude. No wonder you buy Boztepe's con game.
Nice straw man by the way.
kommisar 2 years ago
Yodsenklai is a K-1 Champion, and considered one of the best Boxers in the world.
Why should anyone listen to you on striking technique now? You've clearly no idea what works.
For what it's worth, I don't even understand what "maturity" is. I stopped caring about it when I was about 17. I realized only children go on about it because they want to be big kids.
Of course, maturity aside, it's funny to see someone throwing a little tantrum like a 5 year old online.
SarahSunwalker 2 years ago
Best boxers in the world? Hmm, funny because he looked like he was doing MT.
You don't even do anything yourself, so you're certainly in no position to say who knows what. The hands dropped and although the punches had power behind them they weren't all that quick. Better to throw quick combos than powerful punches in which the hand doesn't come back quickly.
Go fuck yourself.
kommisar 2 years ago
Muay Thai = Thai Boxing = a type of Boxing.
Yes, he did very well. His contract is worth a fortune. He even made it to K-1.
And here you are saying his striking is shitty.
You're dumb.
SarahSunwalker 2 years ago
Thai boxing is nothing more than a made-up western term for the sport. When you say "boxing" you are referring to western boxing, not any "type" of boxing. You might know that if you actually trained rather than playing "Warcraft" all the time.
Haha, nice lie, asshole. I said his punches weren't that good. Learn to listen and tell the truth, fag.
kommisar 2 years ago
"Boxing" generally refers to Western Boxing. But not in Thailand. I live in Thailand. I say "Boxing". Now you're going to tell me American language is superior, also?
Yes, he's a Champ, and here you are (probably never fought pro) saying he's shit punching. Don't you see the stupidity in that? Is it not obvious you've yet to realize what works and what doesn't?
And given I literally live at a gym, I don't think I've to worry about not training enough... thanx.
SarahSunwalker 2 years ago
I don't give a fuck where you live. We're on an American website with an American video and we're speaking English. Quit backpedalling, you fucktard.
Hmm, obviously the only "rebuttal" you have is, "He's a champ and you're not," since you have no training of your own. In fact, you never told me what you did other than LARP on YouTube. Nice dodging.
Lifting weights doesn't make you a good fighter. But you're right: since you live in a gym, you'll have plenty of others to fight FOR you.
kommisar 2 years ago
LOL "Boxing" refers to every form of Boxing,. Fuck you're dumb.
Yes, he's a Champion, you're a 12 year old with emotional issues. No one will ever listen to you.
SarahSunwalker 2 years ago
No, not necessarily. Again, you only LARP, so leave the technical terms for those a little more experienced in the practices at hand. You just stick to sucking Boztepe's cock and pretending you're a MT "expert".
kommisar 2 years ago
WANKER!
Transatlanticism04 1 year ago
HAHAHHA Funy man you compare wing chun punh to a western punch hahaha you never fought with a win chun punch with your western punch? Your blow is good for a boxing match where there is rules but even mike tyson would get beaten by a women doing wing chun because no matter what if you keep your center and you forward his buldozer power to you side and you blow is straight at his boss (head) then the gameis yours. You dude know nothing about a true fight you just know hwo to talk on youtube.
Pixel3 2 years ago
Yes, that's the claim you losers make but you've yet to prove it. If WC punches are so great, then why the fuck does WC get knocked out so often? Hell, that "Fight Quest" video was a perfect example. One guy hit the chunners like a bobble head doll with very basic boxing punches. Also, you fuckers keep your center high, making it that much easier to not just hit but take you down as well. In a real fight with no rules, the chunner would be hospitalized, paralyzed or killed.
kommisar 2 years ago
I see the bigbest YouTube troll is still very active...
SarahSunwalker 2 years ago
"Bigbest"? That's not even a word....
kommisar 2 years ago
Well obviously it's a spelling mistake.
Point is, you're a dman dedicated nerd.
SarahSunwalker 2 years ago
"Dman"? Christ, are you this incompetent? Yeah, yeah, keep saying I'm the dumb one. What have you done for your MA training this week? Oh, right, jackshit. You just LARP like the inactive, fatass fag you are.
kommisar 2 years ago
I'm training for another pro fight, so I'm focusing a lot on cardio to help my sustained speed.
What about you?
SarahSunwalker 2 years ago
I doubt that. Last time we spoke you said you didn't train in anything, certainly not MT.
kommisar 2 years ago
I'm guessing you're confusing me with someone else. I forgive you; it happens when you've trolled half of YouTube; you get confused.
I live at a Muay Thai gym, so it's what I do.
SarahSunwalker 2 years ago
Agree!!!! your so right, the boxer/ ufc dude, was like punching gay wing chun all over the place. it sucks arse.
unwawbl 1 year ago
Muay Thai is a martial art.
lazyboy419 2 years ago
Yes, I know....
kommisar 2 years ago
What's your point?
SarahSunwalker 2 years ago
Stick to your Zelda buddy!
Transatlanticism04 1 year ago
FAN BOY! Hahaha
Transatlanticism04 1 year ago
Trust you too know that Fan Boy!
Transatlanticism04 1 year ago
Actually, if you look at how most fights work, the ground fighting emphasis in MMA puts it at a disadvantage in real life.
They sacrafice striking skills to waste time training BJJ that's only good in sport.
BJJ is impossible against weapons, multiple opponents or larger opponents; they most key present factors in real fights. So losing striking for it isn't good.
Also, ground fighting locks the fight; you lose the ability to run away, meaning if you become overwhelmed, it's OVER.
SarahSunwalker 2 years ago
Haha, I've heard stories from tons of people who have used BJJ to great success. One guy just told me how he fought a guy from the bottom and the guy tried to eye gouge him but he still kicked his ass. Don't give me this "only works in sport". What the fuck is the MT guy gonna do when he gets thrown on the ground? Most fights go to the ground anyway, yet you're saying a guy who's used to having a ref let him get back to his feet is prepared for any street fight situation? You're a joke.
kommisar 2 years ago
Yes. I've heard stories of Kung Fu masters blasting chi out their fingertips, or flying Ninja.
They're just stories... only an idiots bases anything on them.
Yes, Muay Thai is a sport... yet I never said it was superior, did I?
SarahSunwalker 2 years ago
As for clinching; yes, it works on the street.
Of course, you're not going to have a 3 minute long clinch match. But with good clinching skill you'd be able to quickly pass a fighters gaurd, grab the back of his head and smash an elbow through his jaw, dropping him and letting you go straight onto the next fighter. It's also good for throwing the out of the way quickly.
It's about speed on the street, and not being tied down (like locked in wrestling).
Just give it up, dreamer.
SarahSunwalker 2 years ago
What fucking planet are you on? Who the fuck have you seen "pass a guard" standing up? That's ground fighting, you fucking moron, not clinching. And, no, against a good grappler, you WON'T be able to do that, otherwise people would be doing it. All this shit you claim is so easy, you've obviously have NEVER done. Put your bullshit to the test and do MMA if you're so confident.
Grappling works both ways. You can both use it offensively and defensively. Quit LARPing, you fucktard.
kommisar 2 years ago
This is funny. "Test myself" and do MMA? What, in the ring?
How can someone be so deluded to think sport is real...
SarahSunwalker 2 years ago
Wow, this makes a lot of sense. MMA doesn't work in the street 'cause it's a sport but MT will? You're on crack.
"...but you've no proof it works..."
Haha, yes, just keep fooling yourself with that bullshit, especially after you were shown a video of it.
"thinking you can take down and handle 3 guys on the ground."
Sorry, that's a straw man. Try again, fag.
"Group sex"? Spare me of you disgusting closet fantasies, you freak. The only one who seems to think about that stuff is you.
kommisar 2 years ago
LOL
Fuck dude. It's sport, it's not real. It doesn't prove anything. You mose as well say being a Jedi is the best way, it has as much realism as MMA.
I didn't claim MT is ultimate. You say MMA is unbeatable, but you've no proof. I said MT is better, because it doesn't waste valuable training time on the ground; a place you don't want to be on the street.
SPORT IS NOT REAL. Get it? IT ISN'T REAL. You need real proof. You wont find any, because it doesn't exist.
SarahSunwalker 2 years ago
Haha, so it's a bad place to be when you're punching someone's face in or choking them out? Haha, no wonder you dodge MMA. You're a fucking LARPer.
MT = sport. Therefore, MT is not real. Get it? ^_^
kommisar 2 years ago
Did I say doing MT in the ring means you're hardcore on the street? No. So I've nothing to defend.
You said doing MMA in the ring makes you hardcore on the street. I ask for proof, you give none.
I'm not saying you should not do what style you want, I'm saying you should not assume you can kick ass just because you're good at a monitored game with pillows on your hands...
SarahSunwalker 2 years ago
So, because MMA and MT are both sports, neither would help you in a self-defense situation? Great, then I guess you're on the same level as a tennis player in terms of street fighting. Nicely done. ^_^
I never said anything about "hardcore". I said MMA is as close to a simulated street fight as you'll get, and its techniques and strategies are extremely applicable to street fighting.
"...because you're good at a monitored game with pillows on your hands..."
Like MT? ^_^
kommisar 2 years ago
By the way, MMA gloves are a fraction of the size of MT/boxing gloves. The padding is much thinner and the gloves are much lighter. How you call that "pillows" while you use the much larger glove is just ridiculous. Then again, you're not very intelligent....
kommisar 2 years ago
You don't get it; it doesn't matter that MT gloves are big because I never said that playing MT in the ring means you can own all other styles on the street.
SarahSunwalker 2 years ago
So let me sum up our talk so far:
1. Emin is a "fraud", but for that we have no proof, only your word.
2. MMA owns all other styles on the street, but for that we have no proof, only your word.
3. A 13 year old traditional MT Boxer with over 100 professional fights who's on a winning streak has poor Boxing technique.
Conclusion:
We must believe this because a NetNinja who's afraid of telling people what his gym is says so...
At least Emin doesn't hide in the dark, my fuzy dog.
SarahSunwalker 2 years ago
Boztepe does hide, you fucking retard. He dodges challenges after talking shit. His stupid shit doesn't work either. Go watch his "anti-grappling" "techniques". They're complete jokes (as are you).
So MT doesn't work on the street, MMA doesn't work on the street, no sport works on the street.... Yeah, nothing works, hahaha. You're a dumbass.
kommisar 2 years ago
I never said MT doesn't work on the street, I said fighting in the ring doesn't prove you'll be good on the street.
Striking, such as in MT, does work on the street, and because MT is a specialized striking art, it puts you at an advantage.
I said grappling doesn't work on the street 95% of the time.
On the street it's unlikely there'll only be 1 enemy, and if there is he'll be bigger than you = can't grapple.
You're much more sure to be a specialized striker.
SarahSunwalker 2 years ago
AGREED!
Transatlanticism04 1 year ago
Fact is, MMA puts you in a very tight situation. Yes, if you're on top doing the ground and pound then you're lucky.
What about the other guy? He made an epic fucking failure, didn't he?
Fighting on the street is about avoiding being backed into the wall, avoiding having to block strikes from two people at once, avoiding having someone sit on you and punch your face in.
Going to the ground is the same as stepping backwards into the corner of a room; only a dick'd do it on the street.
SarahSunwalker 2 years ago
"Yes, if you're on top doing the ground and pound then you're lucky."
BWUAHAHAHA! Yes, it's all "luck" that a guy gets on top. It's not like he TRAINS for that....
"He made an epic fucking failure, didn't he?"
No, dipshit. See, the nice part about MMA grappling is it teaches you what to do in such disadvantageous positions. You'd know that if you had even the slightest clue.
Hmm, all your talk about street fighting and you ignore the fact that many MMA's dominate street fights. Loser.
kommisar 2 years ago
Fux sake. Give me a single vid of an MMA street fight.
You cant, thus, you're a dreamer.
Now let's see you dodging shit. LOL
SarahSunwalker 2 years ago
Please show mw where mma dominates in street fights!??????
Transatlanticism04 1 year ago
By the way, you dodged my points about how the kid has shitty punching, a square stance and a weak clinch. You also failed in this entire time to defend WC or Boztepe's shittiness. Nice going, cunt. Way to fail in epic fashion. ^_^
kommisar 2 years ago
Dude, his Muay Thai is good. WTF are you talking about? Pet has done over 100 fights, won most of them, and is still going. How is anyone going to believe you now?
You don't get it; just because you don't understand, it doesn't mean you should ignore reality.
Emin is not a fraud. He does do WC and is good at it. How is he a fraud? If he said he street fight when he didn't perhaps he's a liar (but maybe he did do it), yet not a fraud.
Again, you've no understanding.
SarahSunwalker 2 years ago
Dude, you're still dodging his poor punching, square stance, weak kicks, etc. But please, continue to "own" me with, "He's good."
If WC is an art in which one never spars, then, yes, he's good. Not much of an art though....
Yes, you're a fraud when you claim a fighting background you don't actually have in order to promote your curriculum. I've never trained under anyone as arrogant and full of shit as him (fortunately). He would get his ass kicked against any decent MA.
kommisar 2 years ago
So you have proof Emin never fought, then? Show me. I think you're dreaming, again.
Pet does not have "poor punching" skills for Muay Thai. Traditional Muay Thai does not have complex punching. His skills fit his style. Why can't you see that? Who does every style have to do things the same as yours?
In the end, he's learning from a former Thai Champ; who the fuck is going to listen to some net nerd who's scared of showing people his gym website?
SarahSunwalker 2 years ago
Umm, wrong, dumbass, it's Boztepe's job to prove he HAS fought. Isn't it interesting that you can find tons of videos of this guy LARPing about how awesome WC and his curriculum are, but you can't find a single video of him so much as sparring except when he sucker attacked Cheung? Yes, quite telling.
Lousy punching is part of traditional MT? Too bad. I do find it funny though that you think this sort of weakness is a good attribute though.
kommisar 2 years ago
Why does Emin have to prove he fought? I've done a lot of shit in my past, too. I can't prove most of it. That doesn't mean it never happened.
But if someone wants to claim Emin is a fraud, they'd better have proof if they want to be taken seriously.
I see you're never going to listen to me. So why don't you do a Muay Thai fight against these Thais in Thailand, and see how much better your style is? Why not? You know you won't win.
SarahSunwalker 2 years ago
"If WC is an art in which one never spars, then, yes, he's good. Not much of an art though...."
Wow i never knew painters fight!
Transatlanticism04 1 year ago
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Transatlanticism04 1 year ago
"Haha, I've heard stories from tons of people who have used BJJ to great success. One guy just told me how he fought a guy from the bottom and the guy tried to eye gouge him but he still kicked his ass!"
You would believe anything huh!
Transatlanticism04 1 year ago
And what the fuck are you talking about? BJJ was made FOR street self-defense. It has techniques for dealing with weapons, fucking bozo, and this "multiple opponent" argument is nothing short of a joke. You say the MT guy can't fight or grapple for shit yet would be able to take on many guys? One clinch lock-up and he's screwed.
MMA was made by using ONLY what works in a free-for-all combat situation. MA got a real wake-up call with it.
MT IS A SPORT, DUMBASS! HAHAHA! YET IT'S BETTER???
kommisar 2 years ago
A good striker can land blows quickly, and keep other enemies at a distance, allowing him to fight his enemies one at a time and quickly with no nonsense.
But MMA sacrafices striking for ground work; if you take someone down on the street and he has friends, you'll get your head stomped in straight away. No questions; it wont work.
It also almost never works against alrger people.
You gotta consider, the chance of getting attacked by large and multiple opponents is high = MMA not good.
SarahSunwalker 2 years ago
Haha, you must still think you're in 1993. Sorry, that myth about striking being able to fend off grappling has been shown to be bullshit. The Gracies went around even before 1993 to show how fucking wrong that notion was. You JUST saw a wrestler easily get a hole of a pure MT striker. Get a grip, asshole
Yawn, spare me of your cliches on ground fighting. Heard 'em all, all bullshit.
So if multiple attackers take you on none will try to grab you? Fucking idiot, you watch too many movies.
kommisar 2 years ago
And can I have your gym website like I asked?
SarahSunwalker 2 years ago
If you can't accept all this evidence that Boztepe is a fucking cocksucking fraud, then you should just kill yourself, because a gullible credophile like yourself is completely useless to society.
And, no, you can't have my school's website. That would give you a clue as to my whereabouts.
kommisar 2 years ago
Now you're afraid I'll find your where abouts... and here you are laughing at someone else when they got in a real fight, but shy of doing one yourself.
I'm not in America, anyway. You're safe. I just want to see your gym since you laugh at everyone elses.
SarahSunwalker 2 years ago
No, I'm "shy" of telling internet freaks where I live. Why you need to know where I live is beyond me. Apparently you're either a psycho or a pervert or maybe even both.
After some blowhard brags about having 300 bare knuckle street fights and then calling MMA "barbaric", yes, I do expect him to take on a simple challenge since he obviously has no qualms about fighting.
Haha, MMA showed MT guys they need to know how to grapple. Anderson Silva is "gay", is he? Fucking closet loser.
kommisar 2 years ago
Where has MMA shown Muay Thai they need to know how to grapple? I think you're dreaming.
I didn't ask where you lived, I asked to see your gym.
Again, you're a little fuzzy dog barking behind a fence; laughing at people for things he's scared of himself.
SarahSunwalker 2 years ago
UFC and MMA are for sensei to fight each other from different countries with different MMA style. Even Ip man said that there isn't a best fighter style because it depends how good is the person in the ring.
[This isn't my real profile because it's my brother's or his friend. So don't send any bad messages to them. Please...]
haiyah6 2 years ago
the reason wing chun doesn't have formal sparring is because it's so dangerous. A person could be damaged for life or even killed in a wing chun match because wing chun has no rules. Organized wing chun sparring was banned in some countries because of its brutality. Just imagine taking a front kick to the kneecap or a flat palm under the nose. it's what you do in wing chun. you finish the fight as quickly as possible
Caeluth 2 years ago 3
Caeluth, you're quite a shithead. It's been well-established by now that the ONLY way you will be able to pull off these moves in real life is through sparring, a situation in which you have someone who is actively resisting your intentions and who wants to win as badly as you do. Besides, where the fuck are the "deadly" moves Boztepe showed here, or better yet, the Cheung fight? I've never even heard of a chunner killing someone. You're a fucking clown. Go back to your comic books, loser.
kommisar 2 years ago
For a more "deadly" demonstration, I suggest you click, "Wing Tsun emin boztepe" over at the right under related video. Head stomping, elbow hacking throats, etc.... I don't think it is a sure way to kill, but the injuries will be deadly to MMA fighters careers.
and WT has sparring, called Lat Sau.
DrTzeus 2 years ago
Haha, those are all mock attacks on compliant dummies, just like in every WC video. It's either that or patty cake. You fucking losers can't even show a video of you sparring. Do you seriously just LARP and act out these fantasy scenarios during "practice" (in your backyard or tool shed)? Why is it you retards never actually fight? Why do you talk about how "deadly" you are when none of you have even come close to killing anyone? Grow the fuck up, douche.
kommisar 2 years ago
Kommisar,you got that right. All these wt guys talk about is how deadly thier so called art is, and how thier too deadly for the ring bullshit.
Rmaul21 2 years ago
Rmaul, what I don't get is HOW they arrive to the conclusion that their shit is too deadly. I've yet to see ONE WC video that showed anything any more "deadly" than something like karate or kickboxing (though those two styles aren't afraid of putting it on the line in a full-contact fight). It's like punches, kicks, elbows and knees.... Same shit other arts have.
And if it's too "deadly" for the ring, then how do they practice it in the WC mcdojo? Apparently you play act WC....
kommisar 2 years ago
Kommisar, I think the reason they say thier too "deadly " is to attract students There's a lot of of guilible people who fall into that fantasy. The only one who profits are the sifus that sell this crap.
Rmaul21 2 years ago
Agreed. Unfortunately, so many gullible or at best ignoramuses buy into that bullshit. Even worse, the real gullible ones make excuses as soon as their WC fails them. They say it was all their fault and not the art's. Rather sad.
What I always find funny is how MMA was considered barbaric, illegal and called human cockfighting in the U.S. at one point, and yet WC is supposedly much more "brutal" than it. Don't you find that extremely ironic? I don't recall John McCain condemning WC....
kommisar 2 years ago
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I notice you spend a lot of time saying how useless WT/WC is. Perhaps you could show us your skills? I obviously don't know anything about you or your background, but I'd also suggest that you look in your yellow pages for your local WC/WT Sifu and turn up for a taster. Don't mess about with the learners, beginners are beginners for a reason. I'm not saying challenge the Sifu to a match to the death, but ask for a free spar, video it and post it on here. If you win then great, otherwise sh!
SwanseaDriver 2 years ago
I notice you spend a lot of time saying how useless WT/WC is. Perhaps you could show us your skills? I obviously don't know anything about you or your background, but I'd also suggest that you look in your yellow pages for your local WC/WT Sifu and turn up for a taster. Don't mess about with the learners, beginners are beginners for a reason. I'm not saying challenge the Sifu to a match to the death, but ask for a free spar, video it and post it on here. If you win then great, otherwise sh!
SwanseaDriver 2 years ago
Mmm, no, because the argument is not whether or not I can beat a chunner. The argument is whether or not WC and the crap Boztepe is showing here work. So how about YOU go tell one of these WC guys to post a video of them winning an MMA fight? Until then, shh!
kommisar 2 years ago
I'm sorry, I thought that you were implying that your skills were better than what was being shown here. You seem very sure that WC/WT is bullshit and useless, and the only way for YOU to find the truth is to test it, not ask someone else to post a video. Any video that is posted you will claim to be fake. it is down to YOU to prove YOUR point, no one else. Again, I urge you to attend a WC/WT session if you have not already done so. Much can be learned from all MA, no one system is perfect.
SwanseaDriver 2 years ago
No, I don't need to try everything out to know whether or not it's bullshit. Do I need to smoke crack to know it's bad for you and fucks you up?
I can point out many technical flaws in this stupid seminar but you're obviously not at a level capable of understanding such matters. Go train in full-contact fighting yourself and tell me any of this crap works.
kommisar 2 years ago
You seem to be mistaken. I don't need to prove anything to you. I have not made any claims regarding the effectiveness or otherwise of WC/WT - that was you. What I'm pointing out is that if YOU have no actual experience of something then your opinion of it is just that - an opinion. And opinions are worthless. Perhaps if you spent less time posting your opinion and more time experiencing, you would understand this. What FC training do you do so that I may go and have a go?
SwanseaDriver 2 years ago
You have made the claim that WC is not as shitty as I said it was. I have given you proof. Where's your counter evidence then?
I already explained how your "experience" logic sucks balls. Learn to pay attention instead of day dreaming in WC Fantasy Land.
What's "FC" mean?
kommisar 2 years ago
Erm.... Full Contact - you know, the thing you were urging me to train in. So enlighten me to your training and I will give it a bash.
I also just re-read my comments and I have made no claims about WC/WT - I suggested you go and test it out FOR YOURSELF. Also - YOU - have given no evidence, neither have you explained anything you have merely posted your opinion, and when challenged to back it up you've indulged in a bit of abuse. Classy.
SwanseaDriver 2 years ago
I do MMA.
Again, I already responded to your stupid "try it out for yourself" logic. Do I need to try out crack to say it's bad for one?
I already gave you evidence WC sucks. Watch it in NHB/style vs. style fights. It loses every time. Need more? Watch the "Fight Quest" episode. In real life it looks NOTHING like the fancy demonstrations Boztepe does. It looks like shit-fuck kickboxing. Need more? Boztepe vs. Cheung. Two WC "masters" that "fight" like little girls. That enough?
kommisar 2 years ago
Why are you being so cagey? What MMA are you doing, under whom? Reasoning that you won't try Wing Chun because you wouldn't try crack is not actually a reason, it's an excuse (and if you can't tell the difference between a narcotic and WC then you have other, bigger problems to deal with). You have no personal experience of Wing Chun, either as practitioner nor recipient - as such your OPINION of the effectiveness of it is invalid. BTW - how many puppet accounts do you have?
SwanseaDriver 2 years ago
What the fuck does "cagey" mean?
Haha, WC is just as stupid as crack. Grown men getting together for games of patty cake so they can fool themselves into thinking they are training practical self-defense. I'd rather do forms and board-breaking.
No, I don't need an "excuse" not to try WC. There are dozens of videos of it to show me what it's like. I've already exposed the stupidity of your "try it for yourself" logic several times now. Get a grip and grow the fuck up.
kommisar 2 years ago
I'm sorry, but I am not your personal dictionary.
You have proven nothing. You have not trained WC/WT or even fought against someone who has (from what I can gather) and so base your whole opinion on what you see on Youtube? Now I know that you're lying about crack as you are obviously smoking it right now!
Watching a video does not make you an expert in something, nor does it experience you in it. If you don't understand that then there is obviously nothing else to say to you.
SwanseaDriver 2 years ago
I don't have to be an expert to know when something is shit, just like I don't have to be a culinary expert to know when food has gone bad. All these videos of WC are up to show everyone how "good" it is, yet you're saying the only way you can get a real idea of what it's like is to fight a chunner or practice WC? You're a fucking idiot. Either show us why WC is so good or shut the fuck up. You're clearly here to argue for argument's sake. That or you're just that stupid to fall for WC.
kommisar 2 years ago
My my, quite the potty mouth. Why so angry?
Let's get something straight here - I don't have to prove anything to you. And yes, I am saying that you can not base your opinion of something on a Youtube video. I would have thought that that would be obvious.
Now backup a bit. I'm still waiting for you to "point out many technical flaws in this stupid seminar" - you said it, now how about you back it up.
You also said that you'd rather break boards - good for you, but boards don't hit back.
SwanseaDriver 2 years ago
All you're doing is arguing for argument's sake. You have no point other other than I haven't done WC. Fucking weak.
You want some technical flaws? OK, for starters, how come it's such a good idea to stick your chin out when you fight? Why does he advocate using short, weak punches instead of effective long ones with actual hip power? Why doesn't he ever find a person who actually knows how to grapple when he's demonstrating his "crappling" techniques?
Plenty more if that's not enough.
kommisar 2 years ago
Is that it? Is that your superior knowledge that I would not understand? Wow, I'm completely underwhelmed by your brilliance. Your ignorance, breathtaking. It should now be blindingly obvious why my argument is that your opinion is void due to your lack of experience in WC.
Long punches? Great, you can come and spar with me anytime!
WC and grappling - search "Chinaboxer". Although you will undoubtedly call bullshit, so try it for youself (again), and stop basing your opinion on crappy YT vids.
SwanseaDriver 2 years ago
"Lack of experience" is not a valid argument for why I'm wrong. I've said this over and over, you simpleton -- especially considering you haven't provided ANY other argument besides that.
You fucking idiot, what was the point of that search? It was a waste of my time. What don't you understand about this? WC HAS NO GRAPPLING. They just ripped it off from BJJ as soon as it got big in the UFC. Notice how there was no "anti-grappling" prior to that, fucktard.
kommisar 2 years ago
By the way, if "Chinaboxer" is referring to a YouTube video poster, I watched some of his videos. The man's a total fraud and teaches fucking shit when it comes to grappling and MMA-related stuff. (I don't know how good his WC is but I don't really care.) I know guys who have been studying MMA for 6 months who are better than this clown. He's nothing but a fraud who doesn't even have a school to do his videos out of. He does it out of a fitness gym, haha! That's 'cause he sucks.
kommisar 2 years ago
Well, as I already said, everyone is entitled to their opinion. No matter how worthless it, or they are.
You've said nothing new and have continually refused to gain any personal experience of WC so there is nothing more to say to you.
Good luck with your uber 1337 MMA skills and training. If your AFK attitude is as confrontational as your online one then I'm sure you'll be exercising them for real on a regular basis (hope you have health insurance).
SwanseaDriver 2 years ago
AFK? What the hell are you talking about?
You WC dummies are all the same. As soon as you realize your typical WC bullshit/excuse script doesn't work, you tell the person they're close-minded and all that. How about you just shut me up and show me of a single chunner beating another stylist in a full-contact fight?
By the way, chinaboxer's a fraud. I commented on one of his videos about why his shit doesn't work and he blocked me. Asshole doesn't want anyone ruining his con game.
kommisar 2 years ago
Again, I'm not your personal dictionary and as you feel that I am beneath you I have long since stopped attempting to educate you.
As I said before, you would call any video bullshit, so YOU should go and either train with some WC, or fight one. Then you can be confident of your claims.
And if your attitude to Chinaboxer is as poor as it is on this thread, I'm not surprised he blocked you.
All that needs to be said has been said. You're still ignorant, and I have made no claims about WC.
SwanseaDriver 2 years ago
It's not asking you to be my "personal directory" when I demand proof of your ludicrous claims, you fucking bozo. You talk all big about WC but have nothing to show for it. Typical.
chinaboxer is a complete fraud. He knows fuck all when it comes to anything outside of WC. He's not even good enough to teach inside an actual WC school, hence why his bullshit is done in a basketball gym.
Plus, he blocked all my comments 'cause he doesn't like dissent. What a punk.
kommisar 2 years ago