he's basically right. even from a solar perspective it doesn't matter if the map is south side up or north side up because they both tilt get the same seasons, and the planet's still rotate around the sun.
"Cartographers for Social Equality"? If such a group were really about that, it would put Japan's time zone (GMT+9) at the centre of the map. Humans evolved in Africa and migrated to other continents, walking across the frozen Bering Strait. Putting the Atlantic Ocean at the centre is a bias towards North America and Europe, regardless of the projection.
I've seen maps with the Antarctic on top and they're no big deal, though some people freak out as the sight of them.
@zxcv1234vcxz Despite the fact that imperialist Europeans put Greenwich as 0 degree longitude, I support Greenwich. Because if u move it, u r moving 180 degree longitude or 'international date line' as well causing it to be on continental areas instead of the Pacific Ocean
No self respecting Cartographer should take the Peters projection seriously. Its just as bad as Mercator. If you're really gonna be that anal retentive about it, advocate the use of the Dymaxion projection or the Waterman Butterfly.
God I miss this show! I live in Plymouth, MA...who wants to get together within a 50 mile radius 1 day a month and watch 4 episodes that day all as a group? I own the box set and will welcome anybody who loves the show and or has not seen it to enjoy it with me and others! Such a great show! Bartlett 2012!
Oh my lord, Greenland is not larger than Africa on a map because of some sort of bias. The reason why it is larger is simple geometry. Whenever you take a sphere (the Earth) and put it on in a different dimensional surface (a map), you have inequalities of size. It is literally IMPOSSIBLE to correctly show the real size of continents of Earth in a flat, square map. Greenland and Alaska look huge on many maps because they are being stretched to fit the dimension of something other than a sphere.
@doctadeath2020 It is certainly possible to produce a map that correctly represents the relative area of countries and continents. But if you do, you are going to distort the shapes instead.
@doctadeath2020 What they're saying is not that the map was created with bias, it's that it creates bias due to the way it has been distorted. Of course it's impossible to accurately recreate a spherical object on a two-dimensional plane, but they are proposing that they do so in a different way as to reduce the inaccurate representation of size specifically, eliminating the also inaccurate manner in which people (subconsciously) assign importance to various areas of the world.
WRONG Gall–Peters represents Canada smaller than the USA, and Russia the same size has USA, wee sould argue for days about witch unbroken projection is less ``racist`` or wee culd just all shut up and use a broken map, like homolosine or waterman, and by the way, XKCD!!!
@nfinn42 Well, first of all, it was meant for those who get it. Second, I posted that comment when the actual comic strip which I referred to was posted, so I thought it didn't need any explanation. I surely didn't think it would be one of the top comments.
...and I am not quite sure why I am even explaining this. Well yeah, I could have posted the whole link, sure. Sorry for the extra effort of finding the right strip.
My RE teacher told me that the Mercator projection was the result of a european bias and designed to unfairly reflect on the thirld world. I was all like 'fuck dat shit, you ever try faithfully mapping a sphere to a plane?'
@93tomb Well you're right -- no, you can't accurately map a sphere on a plane. But there are levels of inaccuracy, and the intent is to bring a map as close to the truth as is possible.
@93tomb Now that we have laptops and javascript, I think the days of projections, period, should come to an end. Just display a globe and click to drag and rotate. Technology to the rescue!
@thewildone I looked it up and it seems to be named after the Brig o' Doon and in particular the tale of Tam O'Shanter by Robert Burns where he met witches at the auld Kirk in Alloway, Ayrshire, Scotland and then flew over the Brig o' Doon to escape the witches.
I'm from Burns country so the Brig o' Doon and Tam O'Shanter came to me first and will always come to me first because Tam & other Burns poems took up quite a bit of my childhood.
The Peters Projection is just as biased as the Mercator tThe questioning look by Josh, followed by the regretful nod of acknowledgment by CJ regarding the tendency to equate size with power absolutely kills me every time I view this scene. Leave it the West Wing to subtly drop the classiest dick joke in television history.hough!
@grizzlyadms34 well, when you think about it, all flat maps are biased, because the world is a 3 dimensional object. the only form of map that can be accurate is a globe, but its not easy to fold one up and carry it in your pocket. what matters is finding a projection thats as accurate as possible to real world size and placement.
@TheJboy88 you can get it on Amazon. I have all the seasons and it's a great show. Interesting the way they handled the Israel-Palestine conflict.....a must watch
what helped me out in school was seeing multiple versions of world maps, and understanding that some maps are valuable for nautical functions while others would be more beneficial for political matters, and still others for practical day to day use. there shouldn't be one 'officially sanctioned' view of our world.
Firstly... the peter's map isn't accurate either, it wouldn't be a great help for you if you were using it to travel north as it's skewed.. and secondly, wouldn't turning the map upside down affect the way we calculate the rotation of the earth? We would be spinning clockwise instead... I know nothing would actually change, but would it affect any computer systems or scientific formulas?
The so called "Peters" projection is a mess. The Mercator at least keeps the shapes of the countries relatively correct, unlike the Peters projection, more properly known as the Gall projection because Arno Peters didn't create it. No matter how you put it, if you stick a round globe on a square map, it will always be wrong, there is no "better" rectangle map, a fact they've known for hundreds of years.
spherical representations of earth offer the least distortion, but extreme losses in practicallity. say you are walking through a forest and your laptop dies. there goes google maps and carrying a spare globe would be ridiculous.
@jneagles indeed, very interesting topic. I was more so curious if google maps provided the true aspect ratio (when completely zoomed out) or whether they just remodel according to the traditional "western" map. The greenland comparison was the most riveting imo.
are you going to carry a globe in your pocket or a flat map that is distorted to account for desired attributes in direction, distance, area and shape. have fun hiking with your globe.
Informative television indeed! Now if there were only an excuse to educate viewers on why "image enhancement" and other CSI techniques are impossible, how Hollywood OS compares to a real operating system and how removing a bullet from a wound right away is a bad idea and completely unnecessary.
Just one thing, how can something be in a corner on a sphere? Unless my math teachers for the past twelve years have been wrong, sphere's don't have corners.
@kamwrites I think with CJ she tended to whine a bit in my mind - the way she repeated phrases all the time when making a point really irked me. Funnily enough Josh was my favourite character, if only because I sympathised with his ability to land himself in hot water all the time. Plus I never thought of her as Chief of Staff material in season 6. They showed her struggling for all of one episode and then after that she magically knew all the lingo and intricacies of the job
@tfn105 LOL! I consider Josh the whiner. I don't care for his "superior than thou" moments, but he has a lot of comedic moments due to it, so it's a toss-up. They did get CJ "used to the job" pretty quick but I didn't mind, because for me it just strengthened her character to have those struggles, then suddenly step up to the plate. She already proved she knows a lot and can handle people. I put it in "tv time frame" and move on. I saw her repeating phrases as tongue-in-cheek at times.
@kamwrites Josh never knew when to let go, or the idea that he could be beaten on anything. I don't think he was superior than thou, though. That title definitely goes to Toby. The CJ character thing worsened post-Sorkin for me, and I liked Josh more and more through the entire show, especially when you see how hard he worked to put Santos in office.
Just to be clear, "least favourite" on the West Wing doesn't mean I hated her every scene, just that she was bottom of the pile.
@tfn105 Oh, I know. :) I didn't dislike Josh, but he was the most irritating to me. Toby definitely thought he was superior. And I loved seeing Josh put Santos into office. I preferred that Josh to "earlier" Josh. And heck, you can't really go wrong with Jimmy Smits anyway. ;) But I loved that whole election storyline. Loved Alan Alda. Despised his team. LOL!
So which map projection is a map of what the Earth actually looks like? Not what someone THINKS the world looks like, but what it ACTUALLY looks like?
@barbie6933 I think in order for the map to accurately represent the earth and its landmasses (to model scale of course) it would cease to be a "map" and start to be a globe, since the relative lines of longitude and latitude are often curved. Plus, I remember hearing over and over again that the earth is actually slightly egg shaped and not sphere shaped due to its polar axis, magnetic core, and differential gravitational forces pulling in opposite directions.... of course I could be wrong.
@barbie6933 You can't make a perfect rectangular map. Just like you can't wrap a perfectly rectangular piece of paper around a ball and have nothing folded over itself, and no part of the ball uncovered.
@barbie6933 The others are right. The problem is that since the Earth is round and not flat, there's no way to draw a flat, rectangular world map without distorting SOMETHING. The Mercator projection gets the shapes of the landmasses right, but the trade-off (as these cartographers point out) it it ends up distorting the sizes by making landmasses near the equator appear smaller, and land masses near the pole appear larger.
@barbie6933 The Peters Projection tries to compensate for the Mercador's distortion of the relative size of the continents by making the latitude lines further apart near the equator, and closer together near the polls. The trade-off is that it ends up distorting the true SHAPES of the land masses, while the Mercador's projection mostly gets the shapes right, even though it distorts the sizes.
You know, the Peters Projection could also foster racism on the very same evidence. Something like "So you're telling me these darkies have held possession of these vast lands, these vast resources, and done pretty much nothing with them? Meanwhile tiny Europe . . . " blah blah blah
@TheClassicalSauce I don't think it comes as a surprise to anyone that Africa is bigger than Greenland. The point made was the scale of the difference. Could you have guessed Africa is 14x larger beforehand?
@stringerboi Because the world is round :) Picture yourself a beach boll, if you were to cut it open from top to bottom you wouldn't get a rectangle. You can't make a map of the earth that is right in every aspect, only a globe works!
Indoctrination is not a proper function of the state, and thus not of the public school system nor of legislation concerning private schooling. This principle holds whether one is talking about Judeo-Christianity or social equality.
Children can be shown a *globe*, and shown how *any* mapping of the surface of the Earth onto a plane can be deeply misleading. They can be told more precisely how the most common projections are misleading.
There's the rub. The Peters map isn't really more accurate, or it would be used by more than just people pushing an ideological agenda. It's virtues are exaggerated; its vices obscured.
There are definitely some bad ways of mapping the Earth, but there's no single best way. And, while there's probably a better way than the Mercator projection, it isn't the Peters projection. The biases of the Mercator map were accidental; those of the Peters map are deliberate.
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This is where political correctness had led us. A bunch of pansy white aplogist liberals with WAY too much time on their hands who want to indoctrinate, not teach, children. We've come a long way, baby.
Dymaxion Projection is superior.
TheAwakenedHeretic 2 days ago
"These guys find Brigadoon on that map, you'll call me, right?" >_<;; JOSH!!!
nfinn42 2 days ago
i think only US has this program everybody else fucking KNOWS THIS
CanadianImperialist 1 week ago
Aaron Sorkin is a genius
SerBarristanSelmy 2 weeks ago
he's basically right. even from a solar perspective it doesn't matter if the map is south side up or north side up because they both tilt get the same seasons, and the planet's still rotate around the sun.
TheRepublicOfUngeria 2 weeks ago
give me a Waterman any day of the week.
eleriel 4 weeks ago
OR use a globe.
Thongrim 4 weeks ago
Makes you wonder what else we should be looking closer at.
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Who is the actor that plays the guy with the glasses?
He looks like the guy in the Nintendo support video.
/watch?v=WYjgHLFZMa0
foxh8er 1 month ago
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foxh8er 1 month ago
"Cartographers for Social Equality"? If such a group were really about that, it would put Japan's time zone (GMT+9) at the centre of the map. Humans evolved in Africa and migrated to other continents, walking across the frozen Bering Strait. Putting the Atlantic Ocean at the centre is a bias towards North America and Europe, regardless of the projection.
I've seen maps with the Antarctic on top and they're no big deal, though some people freak out as the sight of them.
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zxcv1234vcxz 1 month ago
@zxcv1234vcxz Despite the fact that imperialist Europeans put Greenwich as 0 degree longitude, I support Greenwich. Because if u move it, u r moving 180 degree longitude or 'international date line' as well causing it to be on continental areas instead of the Pacific Ocean
dBolotok 2 weeks ago
No self respecting Cartographer should take the Peters projection seriously. Its just as bad as Mercator. If you're really gonna be that anal retentive about it, advocate the use of the Dymaxion projection or the Waterman Butterfly.
YNot1989 1 month ago 4
I've just watch half a dozen bite sized segments of TWW and remember now why I loved it so much. I'm definitely getting the box set from Santa.
Z1000Jeff 1 month ago
-But you can't do that! -Why not? -Because it's freakin' me out!
TheNinthDoctor 2 months ago 8
Fuck the Peters map, Kavrayskiy VII all the way!
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God I miss this show! I live in Plymouth, MA...who wants to get together within a 50 mile radius 1 day a month and watch 4 episodes that day all as a group? I own the box set and will welcome anybody who loves the show and or has not seen it to enjoy it with me and others! Such a great show! Bartlett 2012!
bsgtrekfan88 2 months ago
Oh my lord, Greenland is not larger than Africa on a map because of some sort of bias. The reason why it is larger is simple geometry. Whenever you take a sphere (the Earth) and put it on in a different dimensional surface (a map), you have inequalities of size. It is literally IMPOSSIBLE to correctly show the real size of continents of Earth in a flat, square map. Greenland and Alaska look huge on many maps because they are being stretched to fit the dimension of something other than a sphere.
doctadeath2020 2 months ago
@doctadeath2020 It is certainly possible to produce a map that correctly represents the relative area of countries and continents. But if you do, you are going to distort the shapes instead.
kasperd42 2 months ago 2
@doctadeath2020 - Isn't that...the whole point of the video?
JohnEvansChaoseed 2 months ago
@doctadeath2020 You could show the relatively correct area of the continents but inflate the area of the... the, eh, the blue bits.
niallomurchu 1 month ago
@doctadeath2020 What they're saying is not that the map was created with bias, it's that it creates bias due to the way it has been distorted. Of course it's impossible to accurately recreate a spherical object on a two-dimensional plane, but they are proposing that they do so in a different way as to reduce the inaccurate representation of size specifically, eliminating the also inaccurate manner in which people (subconsciously) assign importance to various areas of the world.
nicholas3777 1 month ago
Watching this is the best part of AP Gov
Train2Failure 2 months ago
WRONG Gall–Peters represents Canada smaller than the USA, and Russia the same size has USA, wee sould argue for days about witch unbroken projection is less ``racist`` or wee culd just all shut up and use a broken map, like homolosine or waterman, and by the way, XKCD!!!
trombonista92 2 months ago
C.J.: HURR MAPS CAN BE DIFFRUNT?!
AngryBob666 2 months ago
xkcd
ArttuH5N1 2 months ago 11
@ArttuH5N1 i knew it.
stopsiqn 2 months ago
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nfinn42 2 days ago
@ArttuH5N1 What above poster meant to say was, xkcd # 977. that's xkcd dot com slash 977 slash, since YT is a dick about posting links.
Next time post the whole info pls.
nfinn42 2 days ago
@nfinn42 Are you serious?
ArttuH5N1 2 days ago
@ArttuH5N1 well, yeah. Why only post the reference for those who already get it? Be more helpful and useful.
nfinn42 2 days ago
@nfinn42 Well, first of all, it was meant for those who get it. Second, I posted that comment when the actual comic strip which I referred to was posted, so I thought it didn't need any explanation. I surely didn't think it would be one of the top comments.
...and I am not quite sure why I am even explaining this. Well yeah, I could have posted the whole link, sure. Sorry for the extra effort of finding the right strip.
ArttuH5N1 2 days ago
My RE teacher told me that the Mercator projection was the result of a european bias and designed to unfairly reflect on the thirld world. I was all like 'fuck dat shit, you ever try faithfully mapping a sphere to a plane?'
93tomb 2 months ago 23
@93tomb Yes, but there are much better ways, and they weren't unknown back then.
KichiroTakahashi 2 months ago
@93tomb Well you're right -- no, you can't accurately map a sphere on a plane. But there are levels of inaccuracy, and the intent is to bring a map as close to the truth as is possible.
nicholas3777 1 month ago
@93tomb Now that we have laptops and javascript, I think the days of projections, period, should come to an end. Just display a globe and click to drag and rotate. Technology to the rescue!
nfinn42 2 days ago
Does Josh say "if they find the Brig o' Doon you'll tell me"?
prigg88 2 months ago
@prigg88
Its from a play, its a mythic village in scotland that only appears once every 100 years. Its like Atlantis or Lemuria.
thewildone 2 months ago
@thewildone I looked it up and it seems to be named after the Brig o' Doon and in particular the tale of Tam O'Shanter by Robert Burns where he met witches at the auld Kirk in Alloway, Ayrshire, Scotland and then flew over the Brig o' Doon to escape the witches.
I'm from Burns country so the Brig o' Doon and Tam O'Shanter came to me first and will always come to me first because Tam & other Burns poems took up quite a bit of my childhood.
prigg88 2 months ago
Sahara desert Rules! Oh wait...
JenkoTV 2 months ago
2:34 classic Josh
kohstamojahn 2 months ago
Size matters.
simsniper 2 months ago
So funny, i love it!
AndysamBlack 3 months ago
I can see this happening in the future
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The Peters Projection is just as biased as the Mercator tThe questioning look by Josh, followed by the regretful nod of acknowledgment by CJ regarding the tendency to equate size with power absolutely kills me every time I view this scene. Leave it the West Wing to subtly drop the classiest dick joke in television history.hough!
grizzlyadms34 4 months ago
The Peters Projection is just as biased as the Mercator though!
grizzlyadms34 4 months ago 2
@grizzlyadms34 How so?
vertevero 3 months ago
@grizzlyadms34 well, when you think about it, all flat maps are biased, because the world is a 3 dimensional object. the only form of map that can be accurate is a globe, but its not easy to fold one up and carry it in your pocket. what matters is finding a projection thats as accurate as possible to real world size and placement.
Kakerot4141 3 months ago 5
@Kakerot4141 That's why we use the Robinson Projection because it distorts a little of everything, so it's not biased to any one group..
grizzlyadms34 3 months ago 4
why would it "blow your mind" that africa is fucking larger than greenland? come on, CJ!!
MsDDiddy 4 months ago 6
@MsDDiddy come on! she thinks they are going have to change all geographie books and stuff. LOL.
AndysamBlack 3 months ago
@AndysamBlack lol that would blow someone's mind. possibly make them cry lol.
MsDDiddy 3 months ago
@AndysamBlack Publishers/authors change their textbooks every 2-3 years anyhow so that schools have to pay money to keep up to date
basilisk128 3 months ago
LOL, They had me until they proposed flipping the map over.
vpaturi 4 months ago 4
@vpaturi Same~!
Kailaa3 3 months ago
@TheRealSlyyz mine too!! Lol and I thought ap would be hard :P
arabianprincess366 4 months ago
Lol.
This was my Geography homework!
TheRealSlyyz 4 months ago 7
Canada got fucked in the Peter's map!
pakireb 4 months ago 7
this was my spanish homework
animeretardedness999 4 months ago 5
This was my AP US history homework. lol
Acebill561 4 months ago 4
Phlox! :D
AeronPeryton 5 months ago 2
Jay electronica
TokeBlem 5 months ago 2
Ha ha, this is AWESOME!!!
-G
gagnezpoet 5 months ago
This is such a good scene.
pepsibookcat 5 months ago
I've heard that this show was good but I've never been able to find any season 1 DVD's anywhere to see.
But looking at this i'd say it's something I want to watch.
TheJboy88 6 months ago
@TheJboy88 You really have to watch West Wing. :) I learned so many things with this show.
jokasz 6 months ago
@TheJboy88 you can get it on Amazon. I have all the seasons and it's a great show. Interesting the way they handled the Israel-Palestine conflict.....a must watch
Remikarlos 4 months ago
what helped me out in school was seeing multiple versions of world maps, and understanding that some maps are valuable for nautical functions while others would be more beneficial for political matters, and still others for practical day to day use. there shouldn't be one 'officially sanctioned' view of our world.
ZachsMind 6 months ago 6
yeah i'm sure no-one's seen a globe
c4r1s66 6 months ago
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I am a big fan of John Billingsley. That man's diction makes me feel like a mumbling chimp.
KroninKarr 6 months ago
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KroninKarr 6 months ago
haha i dont get it...can someone explain?
MrVogone 6 months ago
Firstly... the peter's map isn't accurate either, it wouldn't be a great help for you if you were using it to travel north as it's skewed.. and secondly, wouldn't turning the map upside down affect the way we calculate the rotation of the earth? We would be spinning clockwise instead... I know nothing would actually change, but would it affect any computer systems or scientific formulas?
goonerballs 6 months ago
Nice soap. I will watch it!
patilsaurabhr 6 months ago
The so called "Peters" projection is a mess. The Mercator at least keeps the shapes of the countries relatively correct, unlike the Peters projection, more properly known as the Gall projection because Arno Peters didn't create it. No matter how you put it, if you stick a round globe on a square map, it will always be wrong, there is no "better" rectangle map, a fact they've known for hundreds of years.
CasusUniversum 6 months ago 7
It's just weired how smart they act in everything they do when they present it, or better how stupid the women is.
He even acts as if he was doing something special when all he does is TURNING THE FUCKING MAP.
alpunec 6 months ago
so much bullshit modification in their version of the map
Chap444 6 months ago 4
Dr. Phlox!
starsword04 6 months ago 7
@starsword04
this must in an alternate universe where he is human and not on Enterprise.
dragonmoony 6 months ago 4
derp
Ioganstone 6 months ago
oh i get it the woman is retarded ?
wiika57 6 months ago
@wiika57 I thought she was asking good questions and keeping focused rather than just wanting to escape
rmoseson 6 months ago
Cartographers gonna cartograph.
ACherimoya 6 months ago 84
Haters gonna hate.
Mappers gonna map.
MercatorMapmaker 6 months ago 40
FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKKKKKEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
M4F1990 6 months ago
While it's a very humorous clip, just use a damn globe. No distortion, no "inequality".
LeviJones9000 6 months ago
i dont get it
hujowany 6 months ago
its freakin me out
winterguy1 6 months ago
SOOOOOOO CHEEEEEEEESEY
UnArabMe 6 months ago
dr flox?
vibins360 6 months ago 2
Canada looks so small.
GordonEdward 6 months ago
@GordonEdward Good. There's no room left here, so don't come.
JRCrowley 6 months ago
@GordonEdward Oh, I see that you are already here. You're good, thanks.
JRCrowley 6 months ago
Fuck this shit, I'm going back to redtube.
tf2weekly 6 months ago 5
@tf2weekly lol i love it
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DeltaCommando52 6 months ago
wouldn't google maps be a true perfect view or is that distorted as well?
sean9820 6 months ago
@sean9820
spherical representations of earth offer the least distortion, but extreme losses in practicallity. say you are walking through a forest and your laptop dies. there goes google maps and carrying a spare globe would be ridiculous.
jneagles 6 months ago
@jneagles indeed, very interesting topic. I was more so curious if google maps provided the true aspect ratio (when completely zoomed out) or whether they just remodel according to the traditional "western" map. The greenland comparison was the most riveting imo.
sean9820 6 months ago
Use a freaking globe, you flat-thinking bastards. Problem solved.
vasyan123 6 months ago 6
@vasyan123
are you going to carry a globe in your pocket or a flat map that is distorted to account for desired attributes in direction, distance, area and shape. have fun hiking with your globe.
jneagles 6 months ago
Informative television indeed! Now if there were only an excuse to educate viewers on why "image enhancement" and other CSI techniques are impossible, how Hollywood OS compares to a real operating system and how removing a bullet from a wound right away is a bad idea and completely unnecessary.
layzergun 6 months ago
ALL maps are distorted, the only true map is a globe. A map is not reality, a map is a representation of reality.
FindRealHipHop 6 months ago
or we could use a globe.
Lirvan 6 months ago
Do america really use the Mercator map in their schools? because in denmark, we've been using peters for ages!
whitetornadodk 6 months ago
@whitetornadodk
we have been using mercator since the cold war. it helped push the threat of communism and a big scary russian red state in american schools.
jneagles 6 months ago
I need to start watching this.
Sopranos. Done 4 times
The Wire. Done 3 times
Six Feet Under. Done Twice.
LOST. Done Twice
The Shield, Firefly, Deadwood, Mad Men, Boardwalk Empire, and loads more all Done. I feel embarrassed I aint seen this yet!
Someone gimme a good torrent for S1 :D
romanvanpersie 6 months ago
@romanvanpersie don't forget breaking bad!
thund3rfingers 6 months ago
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oh check it out the mom from juno
Tanikaze2 6 months ago
This is amazing - thanks, Marty - I learned something =)
jcfxsementa 6 months ago
"you can't do that?" 'why?' "cuz its freaking me out." lmao!
LatinCutie86 6 months ago
One of my favorite "did you knows" that the writers included in this series.
SaintAlia10191 6 months ago
Just one thing, how can something be in a corner on a sphere? Unless my math teachers for the past twelve years have been wrong, sphere's don't have corners.
stareyedwitch 6 months ago
"Yeah, but you can't do that."
"Why not?"
"'Cause it's freaking me out."
CJ RULES.
kamwrites 6 months ago 4
@kamwrites She was my least favourite senior staff member. Never quite sure why. Liked her in this scene though
tfn105 6 months ago
@tfn105 There's no telling why we like some and not others. My least favorite is Josh.
kamwrites 6 months ago
@kamwrites I think with CJ she tended to whine a bit in my mind - the way she repeated phrases all the time when making a point really irked me. Funnily enough Josh was my favourite character, if only because I sympathised with his ability to land himself in hot water all the time. Plus I never thought of her as Chief of Staff material in season 6. They showed her struggling for all of one episode and then after that she magically knew all the lingo and intricacies of the job
tfn105 6 months ago
@tfn105 LOL! I consider Josh the whiner. I don't care for his "superior than thou" moments, but he has a lot of comedic moments due to it, so it's a toss-up. They did get CJ "used to the job" pretty quick but I didn't mind, because for me it just strengthened her character to have those struggles, then suddenly step up to the plate. She already proved she knows a lot and can handle people. I put it in "tv time frame" and move on. I saw her repeating phrases as tongue-in-cheek at times.
kamwrites 6 months ago
@kamwrites Josh never knew when to let go, or the idea that he could be beaten on anything. I don't think he was superior than thou, though. That title definitely goes to Toby. The CJ character thing worsened post-Sorkin for me, and I liked Josh more and more through the entire show, especially when you see how hard he worked to put Santos in office.
Just to be clear, "least favourite" on the West Wing doesn't mean I hated her every scene, just that she was bottom of the pile.
tfn105 6 months ago
@tfn105 Oh, I know. :) I didn't dislike Josh, but he was the most irritating to me. Toby definitely thought he was superior. And I loved seeing Josh put Santos into office. I preferred that Josh to "earlier" Josh. And heck, you can't really go wrong with Jimmy Smits anyway. ;) But I loved that whole election storyline. Loved Alan Alda. Despised his team. LOL!
kamwrites 6 months ago
If we change the map, Somalia will have a higher GDP than Switzerland in just a few years. /sarcasm
subfusc8 6 months ago
This is awesome with such a great point!
heatherlb42 6 months ago
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No offense, but who gives a shit about Africa? LOL
SagaciousSilence 6 months ago
@SagaciousSilence The billion people who live in the countries on the African continent.
dhughes1969 6 months ago 5
@SagaciousSilence That's not supposed to be offensive???
kamwrites 6 months ago
@SagaciousSilence whoa you just plain out said it lol XD
LatinCutie86 6 months ago
So which map projection is a map of what the Earth actually looks like? Not what someone THINKS the world looks like, but what it ACTUALLY looks like?
barbie6933 7 months ago
@barbie6933 I think in order for the map to accurately represent the earth and its landmasses (to model scale of course) it would cease to be a "map" and start to be a globe, since the relative lines of longitude and latitude are often curved. Plus, I remember hearing over and over again that the earth is actually slightly egg shaped and not sphere shaped due to its polar axis, magnetic core, and differential gravitational forces pulling in opposite directions.... of course I could be wrong.
humanconditionkzfr 7 months ago
@barbie6933 You can't make a perfect rectangular map. Just like you can't wrap a perfectly rectangular piece of paper around a ball and have nothing folded over itself, and no part of the ball uncovered.
raythine 6 months ago 2
@barbie6933 The others are right. The problem is that since the Earth is round and not flat, there's no way to draw a flat, rectangular world map without distorting SOMETHING. The Mercator projection gets the shapes of the landmasses right, but the trade-off (as these cartographers point out) it it ends up distorting the sizes by making landmasses near the equator appear smaller, and land masses near the pole appear larger.
wsmith76us 6 months ago
@barbie6933 The Peters Projection tries to compensate for the Mercador's distortion of the relative size of the continents by making the latitude lines further apart near the equator, and closer together near the polls. The trade-off is that it ends up distorting the true SHAPES of the land masses, while the Mercador's projection mostly gets the shapes right, even though it distorts the sizes.
wsmith76us 6 months ago
'Yeah, but you can't do that.'
'..Why not?'
''Cause it's freaking me out.'
chickenfun777 7 months ago 90
@chickenfun777 Imagine that! we can't be sure of anything! woah! now that's a bummer! and cool! we are aliens, after all :P
bethefriend 6 months ago
DOCTOR PHLOX.
WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU?
taitaisanchez 7 months ago
@taitaisanchez He got a one episode cameo on a show that's 1,000,000 times more intellectually stimulating than Enterprise, that's what.
milkdudder 7 months ago
SARA KIERSTEN QUIN. <3
paperbackhead22 7 months ago 29
@paperbackhead22 WHERE?!!! :O
Poonybug 6 months ago
but you can't do that!
Why?
It's freakin' me out!
Priceless!
TheBoriskuehn 7 months ago 5
''Where is it??''
''I'm glad you asked''
i'll probably laugh the whole day because of this video!!
jessicakeg 7 months ago
Sent here my Sara Quin. Amazing!! Sara watches west wing!!
ashlyn57 7 months ago 9
BUSINESS ETHICS
grizzlyadms34 7 months ago
OMG someone from college, o_O commenting n YouTube...
foreverseethe 7 months ago
You know, the Peters Projection could also foster racism on the very same evidence. Something like "So you're telling me these darkies have held possession of these vast lands, these vast resources, and done pretty much nothing with them? Meanwhile tiny Europe . . . " blah blah blah
dafeltre 7 months ago
@dafeltre That's... really stupid.
raythine 6 months ago
@dafeltre truth != racism...
dedicateddad 4 months ago
I teach Earth Science, I have a huge Peters' Projection map in my classroom!
thewildone 7 months ago
@thewildone,
Huge? Really? How big?
sonofthedestroyer 7 months ago
@sonofthedestroyer
2.5 by 4 feet.
thewildone 7 months ago
"Ya, but you can't do that!.
"Why not?"
"Cause it's freakin me out!"
smartodd 8 months ago 4
One of my favorite West Wing moments ever. After I saw this I started including a lesson about these issues in my rhetoric class.
profloobey 8 months ago
This bitch works in the white house and she had to be told that Africa is larger than greenland? Holy shit.
TheClassicalSauce 8 months ago
@TheClassicalSauce I don't think it comes as a surprise to anyone that Africa is bigger than Greenland. The point made was the scale of the difference. Could you have guessed Africa is 14x larger beforehand?
tfn105 6 months ago
"because people in the west africa...don't have maps."
dymchurch1 8 months ago
That was one of the most memorable clips from West Wing for me. I love that idea! ...but maybe it's just because I was a geography bee nerd :)
BornWithoutReligion 8 months ago
I love CJ's expression. Josh just looked like someone hit the back of his head.
00Black00Rose00 8 months ago
i must be a complete moron but...
if both maps are technically inaccurate, why not just make a more accurate one?
stringerboi 9 months ago
@stringerboi Because the world is round :) Picture yourself a beach boll, if you were to cut it open from top to bottom you wouldn't get a rectangle. You can't make a map of the earth that is right in every aspect, only a globe works!
PerAsperaAdAstra92 8 months ago
I think the Tissot Indicatrice has a bigger role to play in map subjectivity than anything else....
chitsb 9 months ago
"yeah but you can't do that."
"why not?"
"because it's freaking me out"
spillSUNshine 9 months ago 8
How's about we just get on a computer with Google Earth on it and let the kids look at that?
superherb12 9 months ago 4
Wasn't Mercator from Belgium !?? instead of Germany ( not that these countries are that different but still)
Borat911 9 months ago 2
Indoctrination is not a proper function of the state, and thus not of the public school system nor of legislation concerning private schooling. This principle holds whether one is talking about Judeo-Christianity or social equality.
Children can be shown a *globe*, and shown how *any* mapping of the surface of the Earth onto a plane can be deeply misleading. They can be told more precisely how the most common projections are misleading.
Oeconomist 9 months ago
@Oeconomist And frankly, they would make for a fascinating class.
scaryplague 9 months ago
C'mon now, people, the whole segment is meant to be humorous; don't get 'freaked out!'.
TMO948 9 months ago
I just love the way the writers explained a complex issue without being didactic.
astuc8 10 months ago
Alright, I don't get it. Why the need to talk about imperialism and political correctness? If this map is more accurate, shouldn't we be using it?
romeoe22 10 months ago
@romeoe22—
There's the rub. The Peters map isn't really more accurate, or it would be used by more than just people pushing an ideological agenda. It's virtues are exaggerated; its vices obscured.
There are definitely some bad ways of mapping the Earth, but there's no single best way. And, while there's probably a better way than the Mercator projection, it isn't the Peters projection. The biases of the Mercator map were accidental; those of the Peters map are deliberate.
Oeconomist 9 months ago 3
@Oeconomist Good call!
romeoe22 9 months ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
This is where political correctness had led us. A bunch of pansy white aplogist liberals with WAY too much time on their hands who want to indoctrinate, not teach, children. We've come a long way, baby.
LizzieDSSG 10 months ago
@LizzieDSSG Comprehension fail.
scaryplague 9 months ago 2
@scaryplague Whose comprehension failed? Theirs?
ThinLizzie1959 6 months ago
@LizzieDSSG not sure if trolling or just plain stupid
raythine 6 months ago
@raythine Who is "trolling or just plain stupid"? And what does "trolling" mean?
ThinLizzie1959 6 months ago
who gives a shit
hojoleon 10 months ago
2:34 my favorite part of this entire episode
kohstamojahn 11 months ago
Screw Bartlet's ms, THIS should have been the story arc of the season!
jamie32501 11 months ago
"Huke?"
"Huke."
Jimanjee21 11 months ago