Eleccion Papa Pio XII

[djspenceital]

Also if the current Church is Masonic then why does she constantly defend the Apostolic Tradition of issues such as contraception, abortion, euthanasia, homosexuality, priestesses, and clerical celibacy. If u ask me the world wants these things so the Church would not hav much to lose in allowing them in terms of temporal authority. But the Church does not allow them. Instead she constantly defends the Apostolic Tradition. That doesn't seem like something that power hungry Masons would do.

[djspenceital]

When I say this I mean one that defies Divine Tradition that has been there since the beginning of the Church, not a human tradition that is not infallible. As per ur Siri thesis, I would ask where is ur proof of this. If u hav none then does it seem wise to u to follow a conspiracy theory, as opposed to a Roman Pontiff who is in front of u.

[djspenceital]

Vatican II did not change the Catholic Faith, it offered no new dogmatic statements. However it did change Church strategy in evangelizing the modern world, because clearly the modern mind is different from the minds of old. Thus said it seems clear that a change in strategy was needed. Vatican II did not proclaim any heresy, I would challenge u to find one.

[djspenceital]

The Mass of Paul VI came after Vatican II. But the Mass of Paul VI does not have anything initial that would make it invalid. It gets rid of a number of ceremonials yes, but this does not make the mass invalid. Human traditions are gone but the necessary Divine Tradition remains. Effectively if u wish to hold onto such human traditions and make them equal to Divine Tradition u r guilty of the Sin of the Pharisees.

[djspenceital]

We should also remember that the Eastern Rites are also valid. Now it remains in the authority of the Supreme Pontiff to change the Order of the Mass because he has supreme canonical authority over such rites. That being said, Vatican II, an ecumenical council, also had such authority. However it is important to remember that the only actual change that was made to the mass at Vatican II was the permission to use the vernacular if there was a suitable amount of faithful requesting it.

[djspenceital]

I find it interesting what a number of u r saying. However I think there are some clear flaws in ur argument. First of all the Tridentine mass is not the only valid rite. St. Pius V would agree with me because he allowed the continued existence of other non-Roman rites within the Latin Church, not to mention the fact that all the Pre-Tridentine Roman rites must also have been valid or else u must admit that the Church of Rome didn't hav a valid Mass for 1500 years.

[rooizilver]

the masonic impostors and those who collaborated with them should leave the vatican. Vatican II must be declared illegal, void and null. All validly ordained priests and bishops (that is, ordained in the Tridentine rite) must immediately return to saying Tridentine Mass, that is the only valid Mass proclaimed by Holy Pope st.Pius V. The new world order religion of Anti-christ in the Vatican must be exposed and dismantled.

[rooizilver]

Cardinal Siri was handpicked successor of Pius XII. Pius XII didn't like Roncalli, and didn't like Montini, who were both suspected sympathisers with communism. He chose Giuseppe Cardinal Siri, and faithful Bishops have elected him on 26 october 1958. White smoke was seen for five minutes. Nothing happened, no Pope came on the balcony for the first blessing. During that time Gregory XVII, Our Holy Father, was taken prisoner.

[MrMiguelE]

@rooizilver excuse me.... HANDPICKED????? then Pius XII had gone wrong in his decision for HANPICKING Siri... so in that case.... Roncalli, Montini, Luciani and Wojtyla are all legit popes....

[rooizilver]

@MrMiguelE No, Siri was Pius XII'th favorite successor, and what's more he's got enough votes and was elected Pope. But the Masons side stepped protocol and forced Siri to resign immediately after he was elected. But such coersion is not legal, Siri stayed Pope (he had picked the name of Gregory XVII), and he was not allowed to execute his Papacy. Under threat, he stayed on the background, and died finally in 1989 without ever being allowed to speak as the Pope.

[MrMiguelE]

@rooizilver so there were really 2 popes for 31 years!

[rooizilver]

@MrMiguelE from 1958 until 1989 it was Siri. Then, we don't know. The Catholic hierarchy is in exile and must operate in secret, because it's enemies want to kill them all. The Vatican and most of her heretical bishops and priests will be destroyed, Rome will be destroyed, the Hierarchy will flee, only after those events we will know the real Pope. A short but terrible time is coming.

[MrMiguelE]

@rooizilver excuse me.... HANDPICKED????? then Pius XII had gone wrong in his decision for HANPICKING Siri... so in that case.... Roncalli, Montini, Luciani and Wojtyla are all legit popes.... and please.... He is not Pope Gregory XVII, he is just Archbishop Giovanni Cardinal Siri, Archbishop of Genoa.

[rooizilver]

Pope Pius XII was not the last lawfully and canonically elected true Catholic Pope. That was the man whom he himself had apointed his successor, namely His Holiness Gregory XVII, Cardinal Siri, elected in 1958 as Pope of the catholic world, and ever since kept prisoner in Vatican city until his death on 2 may 1989.

[Tecolotito]

@rooizilver ??? prisioner??? why?

[rooizilver]

@Tecolotito because he was the real traditional Catholic Pope, and "they", the communists, the traitors, the freemasons, in the Vatican wanted a completely different Church. In 1958 after the suspicious death of Pope Pius XII they finally got their chance. A chance for which they've worked and waited for centuries. A take-over of the Catholic Church. Jews did it. Gregory XVII was a prisoner, not allowed to speak or be known as Pope. He was the hostage Pope in Red.

[ystrianka]

estoy que veo cual es la eleccion de papa mas antigua transmitida por tv :D

[juanbosco31]

Tratan de echar lodo nuevamente a la memoria de Pio XII

lo hacen porque no puede defenderse. Sin embargo no

hablan nada del papa actual. Este de joven pertenecio

a las juventudes nazis, pero no era un nazi. Tantos hombres ilustres en el Vaticano, y ninguno ha podido destruir los vil argumentos que contra Pio XII han lanzado

[thomasbraun321]

@juanbosco31 If you wish, drop me a note and I will forward you an e-book documenting WWII and the Catholic Church, and Pius XII behaviour, among other periods during the last 1,700 years. . It will be an eye-opener for you. You will be surprised by the real history.

[Jippieheihe]

Santo subito!!

[fabrizzzio48]

Este fue el Papa de mi niñez

Camino a la Beatificacion......grata noticia.....

ex- alumno salesiano

[Ultramar0270]

La gente siempre quiso tanto a Pio XII.

[IOVANNIG]

Si noti lo stile marziale, tipico per l'epoca (1939), con il quale il prelato annuncia il nome del nuovo papa (Pius) 1:51.

[acg211077]

Grasias Dios por darnos gente buena como pioXII.

[carlo331]

Grande Papa. W il Papa Re

[erdeestepa]

PIO XII A LOS ALTARES YA

[erdeestepa]

Pio XII a los altares ¡YA!

[otikiki]

Papa meraviglioso e santo

[lent77cv]

SANTO SUBITO!!!

[medinenguzmanie]

Before election to the papacy, Pacelli served as secretary of the Department of Extraordinary Ecclesiastical Affairs, papal nuncio and Cardinal Secretary of State, in which he worked to conclude treaties with European and Latin-American nations, most notably the Reichskonkordat with Germany. His leadership of the Catholic Church during World War II remains the subject of continued historical controversy.

[VictorLepanto]

There is no controversy in terms of facts & those who know the facts. Pp. Pius XII is the victim of postmortem assassination. He was the object of a communist agit-prop artists' whispering campaign. The communist did what they do w/ all their strong enemies, they smeared him w/ the name of fascist. The official diplomatic status he secured for the Vatican helped him protect the enemies of the Nazis.

[thomasbraun321]

@VictorLepanto If you wish, drop me a note and I will forward you an e-book documenting WWII and the Catholic Church, and Pius XII behaviour, among other periods during the last 1,700 years. . It will be an eye-opener for you. You will be surprised by the real history.

[VictorLepanto]

@thomasbraun321: An eye closer, more like. As reading such a vacuous tissue of sensationalist slander would be an ordeal of tedium.

[thomasbraun321]

@VictorLepanto Why do you qualify this history book slanderous if you don't even know what the book title is? Do you know? Have you read it? Google sixmillioncrucifixions . In the webiste you can download a free e-book till May 11th 2010. If you wish, drop me a note and i will send you a PDF. Thomasbraun321 at gmail

[VictorLepanto]

@thomasbraun321: Thanx bunches for the dope. I can tell jus from your comments that it is slander. I have heard it all before. You have been fed a line of bull by frauds &/or ignoramouses. To get a more real understanding of the history of Catholicism, find a book named Triumph, on Church history. or get another book called The Myth of Hitler's Pope. or just read up on the WWII era cheif rabbi of Rome, Israel Zolli.

[thomasbraun321]

@VictorLepanto I don't understand why are you so defensive. I am not anti-Catholic. I study history. Are you afraid of the book I offer you? Isn't it simpler to let me know your e-mail address and I'll send you the e-book? You read and we can discuss. Nothing to be afraid of. Google sixmillioncrucifixions (Pope John XXIII called the Shoah with that term) and you'll find the website where until May 11 you can download a free copy of the e-book.

[VictorLepanto]

@thomasbraun321: Oh yeah, I am just going to hand out my e-mail account to any random crackpot who wants to give me his favorite crazy book. You don't "study" history. You study the rants of crackpots like your self, to reenforce your own silly prejudices.

[m3a3t]

W il Papa

Lode a Gesù e Maria

[MRO1970]

I was born long after his reign, I've heard he was a great man and Pope, worthy of the offices he held. He was definately God's Pope. God bless him.

[thomasbraun321]

@MRO1970 If you wish, drop me a note for Thomasbraun321 at gmail and I will forward you an e-book documenting WWII and the Catholic Church, and Pius XII behaviour, among other periods during the last 1,700 years. . It will be an eye-opener for you. You will be surprised by the real history

[summastro]

w il papa re

[fabseitz]

God bless his last price! Montini is nothing against this holy pope! With the death of Pius XII.,catholic truth died for ever!

[Pioxano]

it's a truth

[Jame243]

Viva il Papa Pius XII! The Pope of the great Encyclical Mysticis Corporis!Truly a great Roman Pope!Eternal be his Memory.He was aSaint!He proclaimed the Dogma of the Assumtion of the Blessed Virgin Mary.

[thomasbraun321]

@Jame243 If you wish, drop me a note and I will forward you an e-book documenting WWII and the Catholic Church, and Pius XII behaviour, among other periods during the last 1,700 years. . It will be an eye-opener for you. You will be surprised by the real history.