because someone wrote them in acient times it doesn't mean these scrolls are to be believed. there are many people spreading falsehoods against Jesus now, and even in old times evil people will do it, writing on scrolls was their form of communication just as we write blogs now. obviously not every blog is to be believed either. evil people will always seek to discredit Jesus, modern or old. there's obviously a reason why these scrolls did not make it.
@taleofsixstrings I do not believe in the writings outside of those found within the King James version bible, however i am skeptical. One could see how these verses reflect on Jesus' way of speaking in parables. And in the Case of "being Male" Many times Jesus used whit to outsmart the pious Church leaders.
On the other hand one must keep understanding that in all walks of Jesus' life he was opposed by even his close friends, someone in a pen name could try and gain creditability with fallacy
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if you bring forth what is within you, what you bring forth saves you. If you do not bring forth what is within you, what you do not bring forth will destroy you. He's talking about honesty and false appearances.
It's amusing how nobody makes a big deal about, say, the Dead Sea Scrolls, since they don't "threaten" anybody's religious beliefs, and yet were discovered under not dissimilar circumstances. People are perfectly content to accept scholarly methods until it butts up against what they want to believe....then the knives come out.
@jjobie god bless u , people want partial truths just because it suits their individual needs, but i tell u any person who has tampered with gods words be it christian jew muslim or gentile shall have a harsher punishment than a pagan, as some pagans did not have the blessings of hearing the good word, every soceity has been justly treated by god, jesus said i was sent to the lost sheep of israil, but most believers ironically where non hebrews, only after his ressurection did he order his ,con
@jjobie go and preach to all corners of the earth what ye have heard and seen, u recieved ur gifts for free so ya shal give for free...ironically till this current day the most zealous christians are so called gentiles. examples are irish people, and germans of course eventhough they took the teachings over board as jesus never ever preached violence other than to protect ones self or family when u had no other choice.. jesus was no hypocrit either, as he didnt protect him self from death..
2Co 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
2Co 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
@xprezitgmail If you do the research you'd know that the official gospels of the New Testament were most likely composed around that same time (between 40 to 100 A.D.) and thus are no more or less authentic than the Nag Hammadi library. The Nag Hammadi documents were written in Coptic, but almost certainly translated from Greek ( as the extant Gospels likely were).
@jjobie That's what makes the "gospels" suspect. The scribes wrote them as if the author was one of Jesus' disciples, when in fact, it was many decades after the crucifixion and at a time when all the apostles had already passed away.
im a muslim >>>> i have a simple question ... who are MATTHEW...MARK .. LUKE .. AND JOHN ....AND WHY ARE THEY THE ONES WHO WROTE THE BIBLE ???? WHERE IS JESSUS BOOK !!!!!!!!!! ??
@oMrzubier They wrote about Jesus because they lived with Him. And that is what gives Jesus even more credbility, when other people talk about your virtues and not someone writing about himself saying he was a prophet.
Judaism and Christianity and Islam are the most primitive religions did not contribute any thing to raise human consciousness they made people more unconscious.
@maxDSferris And you don't think the canonical gospels have been altered or manipulated at all over the last 2,000 years...? I'm sorry, but after the Barbarian Invasions, the Crusades, the Inquisitions (especially the holocaust of the Cathars, who even some Orthodox Christians acknowledged as people of a "pure" and gentle faith), the witch hunts, Sarah Palin, I can't buy the Bible as "Word of God" anymore. It's a mess. And it's legitimacy is AT BEST largely compromised.
@vnovus Yeah it's a mess but not difficult to fix... a print of John's gospel was found 30yrs after Jesus' supposed death. 400 yrs later Gnostics jumping on the band wagon is suspicious to me. Gnostics were known for rewriting and acting nuts like Waco Texas cults. The only reason we know about them is because they hid in caves and left stuff behind. ...I don't know why you mentioned Sarah Palin but I think culture is overwhelming your personal education. The bible is useful -- use it however.
@vnovus The New Testament is as pure as the day they were first penned. How do we know? The VAST amount of historical evidence from the 1st, 2nd and 3rd centuries from friendly and hostile sources. We have manuscripts of the "Gospels" that predate by centuries what you call gospels. Gospels is greek for "good news". Those other gospels are not gospels at all and were not penned until centuries later.
You cannot use the crusaders as Christian examples when they killed millions of Christians...
@Surfxeo FYI WHich version of the New Testament are you talking about? KJV, which is the anglican version? Septuanguist who was written by a hellenized Jew for the benefit of non Jews? Or are you reffering to the official early version that was decided upon at church councils? Take your pick..We may never even know what was the original text.
@sarissaki I think you are slighly confused or quoting a popular fictional novel. The AV is not a different version of the NT but its a translation from the original greek manuscripts. Septuaguint was writted by the Jews for the Jews. Alexanders empire made all the world speak Greek and some Jews didn't speak their original tongue after the Babylonian purge of Israel.
No council ever decided on canan. This is a comon polular myth made up by the Da Vinci Code.
@Surfxeo AV I assume you mean Anglican Version. If you are trying to tell me its a direct translation from the Greek, well, since we do not have surviving originals in the first place, how do we know? And if you read the decrees and the decision process you will see a lot of theology that did not exist earlier. Please do not confuse research with DaVici code. That movie simply has some truth elements mingles with theories
@sarissaki AV is short for Authorised Version also commonly known as the King James. That is exactly what I am telling you, all of the earliest manuscripts are of the Koine Greek. By original versions you mean the autographs that the writers actually wrote. That's true for every manuscript we have. We do not even have Shakespears original authographs. But we have thousands of Greek manuscripts, last count 5752.
The Da Vini Code had zero truth elements in it and zero theories.
@Surfxeo Listen nitwits(Surfxeo & Sarissaki), you idiots debate as if you're learned scholars in this ancient old argument. It was never about the gospels, the authors, or the church. Since man climbed down from the tree's, it was always his faith in something mystical and in the heavens that guided it's human development. We use WORDS like church, Jesus, gospels, prophets, but, the ideology has always been man's faith. These very WORDS have contributed to man's existence.
@buffet62 But that's just it. This is not an old argument, this is pop culture taking fictional books like the Da Vici Code, believing fiction made up by a known frictional novelist, and looking back through history with those glasses on. It not even mildly convincing. All you have to do is look at the historical evidence with an honest mind and discover for yourself.
The words we have in english for Church, Jesus, Gospels, Prophets came directly from the New Testament Greek into english.
@sarissaki Not sure what you mean by theology. If you mean there are a lot of different churches with different dogmas, yes I agree with that. But if you mean there are no churches that keep to the original church teachings then I disagree with that. That was what the Reformation was about, to reform the Catholic Church back to what the original churches taught. As an estimate around 90% of RCC theology is not Christianity theology as it is not found in Scripture.
@Surfxeo What I mean is, without us knowing what where the original teachings, there is simply no way to judge a church by comparing it. A couple of things I know for sure is, take these as an example, Christmas was not in December, there was no concept of Trinity, there were more than 12 apostles, more books in the NT,etc.Pause for a second and think of the contemporary context of the bible, Lucifer is not Satan, Antichrist does not refer to the second coming, the beast is not Antichrist...
Gbnostic books was put in the ground to do away with them for they came from the Gnostic Believers. Gnostics had a very different view of Christianity. Jesus was not really the savour of the world and other like Gosphels of Mary, Thomas, and Judas was the best books to read of christianity ! They protrayed Jesus as a joker & really was not that smart of a fellow ! Thomas and Mary run the best and best known controllers of the show of the 12 that followed Jesus. Mary being the controller of all.
It kind of sucks that the Gospel of Thomas was the one in the best condition because that one seems likely to be just a collection of sayings from every time period for 300 years, like the Psalms and the Proverbs.
This guy Pete Owen Jones is just dramatising it all. These "Lost" gospels aren't even gospels as such, not even narratives. He is a fake, that's why he is separated from his wife.
@jamestrekky I don't know if you actually watched this documentary, or what you have against Pete Owen Jones, but it's about the gnostic gospels, not Pete Owen Jones. They're pretty famous, the gnostic gospels, that is. Not Pete Owen Jones.
The gospel of thomas probably isn't in the canon mainly because it has no mention of Jesus' suffering and death, which was fundamental in Christianity for 3 centuries after the time of Christ, when Christians were being tortured and killed. Christians of the time didn't have any use for some vague and bizarre book of sayings. They were more concerned with survival.
And, all 'Born agains' and "evangelicals" are nothing but heretics, becasue the claims to have the power od God in them to heal people, but thats no different than witchcraft, and in the eyes of a True christian religion like that of the Catholic church, Orthodox, and the direct offshoots of both those, born again christians are an occult, heretics to be condemmmed, who DON'T know hwat it IS to be Christ like.
@TheTyrantRaptor Well I do not want to enter in the discussion of healing people. If christians are healing people it's by the Power of God. Those things in Lourde are whichcraft. Tell me if you would die this night, where you go in to the hell or into heaven?
@tazpi Jesus said "If those who lead you say to you, 'See, the kingdom is in the sky', then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the kingdom is inside of you, and it is outside of you. When you come to know yourselves, then you will become known, and you will realize that it is you who are the sons of the living father. But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty"
@TheTyrantRaptor The heaven is inside us when we REPENT and accept Jesus as Lord and Saviour. There is no good inside men, we are all lost without Jesus Christ.
@TheTyrantRaptor Your opinion about me or the opinion of the "gospel" of Thomas doesn't concern me. I am a sinner and Jesus died for my sins. All other stuff is not so important.
@tazpi Those ARE the secret sayings that the living Jesus spoke, and which Didymus Judas Thomas wrote down. And he said, whoever discovers the meaning of these saying will not experience death.
@tazpi Jesus said to them, "If you fast, you will give rise to sin for yourselves; and if you pray, you will be condemned; and if you give alms, you will do harm to your spirits. When you go into any land and walk about in the districts, if they receive you, eat what they will set before you, and heal the sick among them. For what goes into your mouth will not defile you, but that which issues from your mouth - it is that which will defile you."
@TheTyrantRaptor "If you fast, you will give rise to sin for yourselves; and if you pray, you will be condemned; and if you give alms, you will do harm to your spirits."
That is the verse in the Gospel of Thomas I just can't digest. Can you explain to me how that is Christian?
@tazpi Why can't something that's esoteric be Christian? Jesus himself was esoteric. He didn't preach to the world; he only preached to small groups around Judea. The Romans didn't even know what he looked like, that's why Judas had to betray Jesus with a kiss. Jesus was insignificant to the Roman government at the time, that's why there's nothing about him in the contemporary Roman records.
@TheTyrantRaptor "all 'Born agains' and "evangelicals" are nothing but heretics, becasue the claims to have the power od God in them to heal people, but thats no different than witchcraft,"
Isn't that exactly what the Jewish authorities thought about Jesus?
@TheTyrantRaptor God is not interested if you are a roman catholic. God is interested if you are a new born. The apostle Paul warned in the real bible of such writings like the "gospel" of Thomas. The gospel of Thomas is in total contradiction with the bible.
@tazpi Jesus said "If those who lead you say to you, 'See, the kingdom is in the sky', then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the kingdom is inside of you, and it is outside of you. When you come to know yourselves, then you will become known, and you will realize that it is you who are the sons of the living father. But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty
@tazpi Jesus said "If those who lead you say to you, 'See, the kingdom is in the sky', then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the kingdom is inside of you, and it is outside of you. When you come to know yourselves, then you will become known, and you will realize that it is you who are the sons of the living father. But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty
St Teresa of Avila speaks of "taking it like a man" and being "as a man" in the Seven Mansions. If I am not mistaken. Otherwise for sure it was either in the Revelations of Divine Love, in Divine Consolations, or St. Catherine of Siena writings. I didn't really question it because I fully got it and I'm a woman. It's about having no dependency on man and also about not being subject to the emotions as a woman often is.
they burnt many gospels, becasue jesus preached islam, they burnt many stuff, so how could this be the son of god, and where is the gospel of jesus?, remember jesus peace be upon him is the messiah, jesus is the prophet, jesus is the mightest messengers of allah, and the hebrew word god is elah, and arabic allah
@abbas7944 Are you sreious dude? Preaching an Islamic view that didnt exist until at least 800 years later? 800 years in the non-IT age is a very fucking long time, especially amogst people were 98% illiterate. Mohammed was peodofile who had sex with 9 year old girl whilst in his 50s. The Gospel of Thomas is the closest to historical Jesus we have. Jesus the son of God is the Orthodox Christian view of it which became canon in 4th century. You Muslims beleive in Jesus, then BE like Christ.
@TheTyrantRaptor listen read song of solomon chapter 5 verse 16 the hebrew quote, and you christians are clearly misguided, may allah guide you. and if the wives of the prophet had no problem why have you got a problem? has this become a new thing? according to the bible solomon had over 700 wives right? even though he is a prophet of islam peace be upon him, jesus was a muslim, so you should like a muslim, and ofcourse he is the christ, but not in the sense of when he was crucified.
@TheTyrantRaptor messiah is the hebrew word, and arabic word is mesii, in the english meaning anointed, according to the bible book of isaiah chapter 45 verse 1 god speaks to cyrus and calls him anointed meaning christ, so it is cyrus the christ right?, may allah guide you. and the quran was put together in 23 years, not written down by luke, mark, matthew and john who sat there writing stuff for a long time, and christianity came about later not during the time jesus christ peace be upon him.
If the holy ghost is in you then it will come out of you. The holy ghost is jesus and if it is not in you when he come back he will destroy you because, the only ones who will live is the ones with his spirit living and speaking out of their flesh house.
And (remember) when Allah will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O 'Îsa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)! Did you say unto men: 'Worship me and my mother as two gods besides Allah?' " He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours; truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden (and unseen). SURAH 5 VERSE 116
I AM TELLING YOU THESE ARE THE WORDS GOD the silence calls too me the unknown whisper its secret to me. i heard GOD TODAY SAY LISTEN TO THE SILENCE. DO NOT LISTEN TOO THE CONFUSION. SILENCE IS WHERE I WALK... big secret hold on to love let all of the other stuff go i call it shit that distorter of happiness and life hate worry judging self and people, gossip ,greed, Envy,anger. & SIN
Look at 4:40 when the professor reads the text- it's written in Greek! But didn't the apostle Thomas speak and write in Hebrew like the other apostles? It's hard to find truth these days. It would seem that just looking isn't enough but one must also learn new languages, pick up stones to look under and brush away hearsay from writings of firsthand witnesses. So far all I know is that there is a creator of all things and that we should do to others as we would have them done on to us.
Very interesting. I think the church should revise the Bible completely from ancient documents that exist. Where are all the scrolls that make up the existing Bible? We know the early christians altered the Bible and to alter anything there has to be a reason? What were they frightened of people reading? Why alter an ancient book at all? I think the other 4 desciple gospels were altered to back up each other and I think this one is the genuine macoo about Jesus!! Very interesting anyway!
Very interesting. I think the church should revise the Bible completely from ancient documents that exist. Where are all the scrolls that make up the existing Bible? We know the early christians altered the Bible and to alter anything there has to be a reason? What were they frightened of people reading? Why alter an ancient book at all? I think the other 4 desciple gospels were altered to back up each other and I think this one is the genuine macoo about Jesus!! Very interesting anyway!
ok a few problems right off the bat...I have read every book in the Nag Hammadi Library and min. 5 or 6 about Gnosticism and the discovery at Nag hammadi, not to mention all the documentaries. And yet i have NEVER heard of this skeleton being discovered with the jar containing the codices Also ther are conflicting stories about why the discoverers were there in the first place, Ive even read they had just killed the man who murdered their father before stopping there. Ther's a lot of ?'s still.
@420BenG If what was being so important would you hide themselves or hide them and then kill the slave/servant who hid them for you. I would hope that holy men would do the work themselves, yes, and not kill?
@420BenG Sorry about the typo, here's what I meant to say:
If what was being hidden was so important would you hide themselves or then kill the slave/servant who hid them for you. I would hope that holy men would do the work themselves, yes, and not kill?
so how authenthic are all these scripts,hw sure are we all these are not made up anti-Christ stories?? of course it wuld be found in Eygpt, they aren't exactly best friends to Christainity !!! I wuld tell you all these, I knw what wat I feel. there is indeed Jesus Christ, and He is divine,words cann't explain. donn't let anyone steal ur salvation from you, in this world, U CAN ONLY LIVE ONCE & BE JUDGED ONCE, HELL OR HEAVEN ! CHOOSEN WISELY, COS IT'S ONLY ONCE.
@dovelov How authentic are the books that were retained in the New Testement?
There are no original copies of the books that made it into the canon - the books from Nag Hamaddi are just as old as the earliest papyrus copies of any NT books - as the film says, they could be earlier...
Are you seriously suggesting someone would spend such enormous effort preparing propaganda against a religion that hadn't even established itself by this time? That makes no sense...
Kolfkase77, so do you know better about your grand grand fathers life, or your grand father? Case closed. Dont be ignorant! Search for the truth! Koraan has the answers
Earliest does not necessarily mean BETTER. Think of it this way. Let's say for the sake of argument, this was written first, but was written with intent to destroy what Jesus raised up. Which could explain why so few of these gnostic gospels are around today. People could say well, this is older, so it has to be closer. No, this could be an older CORRUPTED source. Maybe some truth to them, yes, I would agree, but let's not believe this just because it was on television.
I recently tried to apply my rationale to a real life murder mystery that went public recently.. The feedback from the Investigation through media indicated that the presentation of data from me and others was useless and vain, " Amateurish ".
Although I believed my thoughts to be true and would somehow lead to the killers.what it really did was bring the reality of Evil to my very doorstep. real or imagined it was here with me and the definition is Vulnerability.
According to you the gist is, " Amateur " And the process of driving the point home is " Evil ". That is strategic and something Ive been looking at for years, Its called Anti-Terrorism and/ or Anti-Insurgency in its practical application. It is Evil and deliberate. It is manipulation of the amateurs to seek wisdom of a higher power. More Hierarchical manipulation.
And what is this point of Good and Evil? It is man that points out Evil with purpose it appears. Step into the shoes of any of a many things labeled Evil, Evil and good shifts position.
If there is a forbidden fruit in the mythical garden of Eden then that fruit is the Knowledge of God and since you cannot un-ring a bell, building alters around it and shifting blame only acts as a reminder
the fear of god is the very begining of wisdom. without that we lack the requisit skills to navigate life compently and skillfully,having no success and seeing nothing prosperous.
Garden of Eden narratives:
post-original sin
" They will, or are like us, knowing good and Evil "
Finding that which will make us "live" "within" is reference to meditation within the third eye, after initiation by a Master into the "Word" "Logos" "Tao" "Om" "Aum" Amen" etc. To become man or male is to become Human, spiritually attuned via meditation within the inner eye & ear. All masters throughout all Time have initiated their select, spiritually advanced disciples into this "Living Water". There is never a generation without a connection to this. We reincarnate until we are ready.
3. God says, goes, Unlike us no need for apologies, God is proven and confirms his own
You confess social order without system ( One trusts in God to manage his/ her affairs ) beliefs untested yet believing within a controled enviroment of social order where the hierarchical mechanisms are manipulated to the benefit of its citizens.
It is by god that i am to believe in no god nor in a hell, I am to believe in here, this.
" If you do not bring forth that which is in you, That which is within you will destroy you.,If you bring forth that which is within you,That which is within you will save you.
Could be anything, angle of my light fixture, tilt of my head , periphery
Theres an ankh on the side of the cliff, Appears natural. Caught it while distracted, thought my eyes were playing tricks on me. I dont assign significance at this point cause theres no indication I should, but their was a line of thought attached to it. The burial was culure bound. Makes me wonder if that was the site or random scenic view
John the Baptist told the pharasees to "bring forth" fruit meet for repentance and we know that we must bring forth fruits as a tree planted by the rivers of water (water of Life the word) and psalms 1.
Well it depends on what you believe God can do? If you believe in God and that He wants us to know Him then I think that He could have done things to set a chain of events to get the correct Word to His people. Not saying that you all don't have a valid point I just personally believe that the KJV is what made it for a reason due to revalation that comes after reading them while in prayer and in faith. But then again it is a all based upon faith. Where does it lie.
writings do not burn
koteshub 2 weeks ago
Are these findings not showing clearly that Islam is a fake?
erlingurt 2 weeks ago
because someone wrote them in acient times it doesn't mean these scrolls are to be believed. there are many people spreading falsehoods against Jesus now, and even in old times evil people will do it, writing on scrolls was their form of communication just as we write blogs now. obviously not every blog is to be believed either. evil people will always seek to discredit Jesus, modern or old. there's obviously a reason why these scrolls did not make it.
taleofsixstrings 1 month ago
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@taleofsixstrings You stated, "because someone wrote them in acient times it doesn't mean these scrolls are to be believed. "...
That can be applied to the rest of the bible as well.
ninjamojo711 1 month ago
@taleofsixstrings I do not believe in the writings outside of those found within the King James version bible, however i am skeptical. One could see how these verses reflect on Jesus' way of speaking in parables. And in the Case of "being Male" Many times Jesus used whit to outsmart the pious Church leaders.
On the other hand one must keep understanding that in all walks of Jesus' life he was opposed by even his close friends, someone in a pen name could try and gain creditability with fallacy
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if you bring forth what is within you, what you bring forth saves you. If you do not bring forth what is within you, what you do not bring forth will destroy you. He's talking about honesty and false appearances.
AIajmis 2 months ago
I think the dating of the gospel of thomas is probably more like the books of psalms and proverbs. They come from a wide range of dates.
KayBeeEee1983 2 months ago in playlist Gnostic Gospels
It's amusing how nobody makes a big deal about, say, the Dead Sea Scrolls, since they don't "threaten" anybody's religious beliefs, and yet were discovered under not dissimilar circumstances. People are perfectly content to accept scholarly methods until it butts up against what they want to believe....then the knives come out.
Gotta love it.
jjobie 3 months ago
@jjobie god bless u , people want partial truths just because it suits their individual needs, but i tell u any person who has tampered with gods words be it christian jew muslim or gentile shall have a harsher punishment than a pagan, as some pagans did not have the blessings of hearing the good word, every soceity has been justly treated by god, jesus said i was sent to the lost sheep of israil, but most believers ironically where non hebrews, only after his ressurection did he order his ,con
nabuchiznasar 2 months ago
@jjobie go and preach to all corners of the earth what ye have heard and seen, u recieved ur gifts for free so ya shal give for free...ironically till this current day the most zealous christians are so called gentiles. examples are irish people, and germans of course eventhough they took the teachings over board as jesus never ever preached violence other than to protect ones self or family when u had no other choice.. jesus was no hypocrit either, as he didnt protect him self from death..
nabuchiznasar 2 months ago
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MrNelsonjesus 4 months ago
2Co 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
2Co 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
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These are fakes.
Product of the Catholic church scribes.
"Jesus Christ" the name, was given 40 to 70 years AFTER the crucifixion.
"Jesus Christ" is a Latin based name and will not be found in Aramaic.
These were not the records of actual Teachings.
xprezitgmail 5 months ago
@xprezitgmail If you do the research you'd know that the official gospels of the New Testament were most likely composed around that same time (between 40 to 100 A.D.) and thus are no more or less authentic than the Nag Hammadi library. The Nag Hammadi documents were written in Coptic, but almost certainly translated from Greek ( as the extant Gospels likely were).
jjobie 3 months ago
@jjobie That's what makes the "gospels" suspect. The scribes wrote them as if the author was one of Jesus' disciples, when in fact, it was many decades after the crucifixion and at a time when all the apostles had already passed away.
xprezitgmail 3 months ago
These are Gnostic Gospels written appx 2nd century AD. This are the works condemned by Paul and John.
rcarlomagnus 5 months ago
Even after all that and christians will continue to not believe.
SuperGuitarherolover 6 months ago
Regarding Jesus' saying about females becoming males, it reminded me of an aphorism of Friedrich Nietzsche:
"If a woman should possess manly virtues one should run away from her; and if she does not possess them she runs away herself."
eleutheromaniac 6 months ago
im a muslim >>>> i have a simple question ... who are MATTHEW...MARK .. LUKE .. AND JOHN ....AND WHY ARE THEY THE ONES WHO WROTE THE BIBLE ???? WHERE IS JESSUS BOOK !!!!!!!!!! ??
oMrzubier 7 months ago
@oMrzubier good point. Maybe in the future
MegaVladimir1988 7 months ago
@oMrzubier They wrote about Jesus because they lived with Him. And that is what gives Jesus even more credbility, when other people talk about your virtues and not someone writing about himself saying he was a prophet.
73geneva 6 months ago
@oMrzubier jesus never wrote a book, he took 12 disciples to follow him and to spread his teaching.
drey27 6 months ago
@drey27 not 12, thats what was doctrine later. There was a multitude of students or disciples, or apostles following him
sarissaki 6 months ago
Judaism and Christianity and Islam are the most primitive religions did not contribute any thing to raise human consciousness they made people more unconscious.
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AWHNNOH 7 months ago
Haha
They make it out like it's real but it's 400 years after!!!!
Anything that old can be a fake. That's why they got rid of them...what now we're experts of fake and not fake?
maxDSferris 7 months ago
@maxDSferris And you don't think the canonical gospels have been altered or manipulated at all over the last 2,000 years...? I'm sorry, but after the Barbarian Invasions, the Crusades, the Inquisitions (especially the holocaust of the Cathars, who even some Orthodox Christians acknowledged as people of a "pure" and gentle faith), the witch hunts, Sarah Palin, I can't buy the Bible as "Word of God" anymore. It's a mess. And it's legitimacy is AT BEST largely compromised.
vnovus 7 months ago
@vnovus Yeah it's a mess but not difficult to fix... a print of John's gospel was found 30yrs after Jesus' supposed death. 400 yrs later Gnostics jumping on the band wagon is suspicious to me. Gnostics were known for rewriting and acting nuts like Waco Texas cults. The only reason we know about them is because they hid in caves and left stuff behind. ...I don't know why you mentioned Sarah Palin but I think culture is overwhelming your personal education. The bible is useful -- use it however.
maxDSferris 7 months ago
@vnovus The New Testament is as pure as the day they were first penned. How do we know? The VAST amount of historical evidence from the 1st, 2nd and 3rd centuries from friendly and hostile sources. We have manuscripts of the "Gospels" that predate by centuries what you call gospels. Gospels is greek for "good news". Those other gospels are not gospels at all and were not penned until centuries later.
You cannot use the crusaders as Christian examples when they killed millions of Christians...
Surfxeo 7 months ago
@Surfxeo FYI WHich version of the New Testament are you talking about? KJV, which is the anglican version? Septuanguist who was written by a hellenized Jew for the benefit of non Jews? Or are you reffering to the official early version that was decided upon at church councils? Take your pick..We may never even know what was the original text.
sarissaki 6 months ago
@sarissaki I think you are slighly confused or quoting a popular fictional novel. The AV is not a different version of the NT but its a translation from the original greek manuscripts. Septuaguint was writted by the Jews for the Jews. Alexanders empire made all the world speak Greek and some Jews didn't speak their original tongue after the Babylonian purge of Israel.
No council ever decided on canan. This is a comon polular myth made up by the Da Vinci Code.
We know what was the original NT.
Surfxeo 6 months ago
@Surfxeo AV I assume you mean Anglican Version. If you are trying to tell me its a direct translation from the Greek, well, since we do not have surviving originals in the first place, how do we know? And if you read the decrees and the decision process you will see a lot of theology that did not exist earlier. Please do not confuse research with DaVici code. That movie simply has some truth elements mingles with theories
sarissaki 5 months ago
@sarissaki AV is short for Authorised Version also commonly known as the King James. That is exactly what I am telling you, all of the earliest manuscripts are of the Koine Greek. By original versions you mean the autographs that the writers actually wrote. That's true for every manuscript we have. We do not even have Shakespears original authographs. But we have thousands of Greek manuscripts, last count 5752.
The Da Vini Code had zero truth elements in it and zero theories.
Surfxeo 5 months ago
@Surfxeo Listen nitwits(Surfxeo & Sarissaki), you idiots debate as if you're learned scholars in this ancient old argument. It was never about the gospels, the authors, or the church. Since man climbed down from the tree's, it was always his faith in something mystical and in the heavens that guided it's human development. We use WORDS like church, Jesus, gospels, prophets, but, the ideology has always been man's faith. These very WORDS have contributed to man's existence.
buffet62 5 months ago
@buffet62 But that's just it. This is not an old argument, this is pop culture taking fictional books like the Da Vici Code, believing fiction made up by a known frictional novelist, and looking back through history with those glasses on. It not even mildly convincing. All you have to do is look at the historical evidence with an honest mind and discover for yourself.
The words we have in english for Church, Jesus, Gospels, Prophets came directly from the New Testament Greek into english.
Surfxeo 5 months ago
@sarissaki Not sure what you mean by theology. If you mean there are a lot of different churches with different dogmas, yes I agree with that. But if you mean there are no churches that keep to the original church teachings then I disagree with that. That was what the Reformation was about, to reform the Catholic Church back to what the original churches taught. As an estimate around 90% of RCC theology is not Christianity theology as it is not found in Scripture.
Surfxeo 5 months ago
@Surfxeo What I mean is, without us knowing what where the original teachings, there is simply no way to judge a church by comparing it. A couple of things I know for sure is, take these as an example, Christmas was not in December, there was no concept of Trinity, there were more than 12 apostles, more books in the NT,etc.Pause for a second and think of the contemporary context of the bible, Lucifer is not Satan, Antichrist does not refer to the second coming, the beast is not Antichrist...
sarissaki 5 months ago
No its not criptic. That what could of been spoken by jesus.
VellianoRosso 8 months ago
Wearing a fedora in a library? Bogus.
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Gbnostic books was put in the ground to do away with them for they came from the Gnostic Believers. Gnostics had a very different view of Christianity. Jesus was not really the savour of the world and other like Gosphels of Mary, Thomas, and Judas was the best books to read of christianity ! They protrayed Jesus as a joker & really was not that smart of a fellow ! Thomas and Mary run the best and best known controllers of the show of the 12 that followed Jesus. Mary being the controller of all.
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טז חִכּוֹ, מַמְתַקִּים, וְכֻלּוֹ, מַחֲמַדִּים; זֶה דוֹדִי וְזֶה רֵעִי, בְּנוֹת יְרוּשָׁלִָם.
فمه هو الأكثر الحلو؛ نعم، تماما انه هو محمد. هذا هو بلدي الحبيب، وهذا هو صديقي يا بنات أورشليم '.
[16] His words are the most loved: yea, he is most definantly Muhammad [מַחֲמַדִּים]
. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem. Soung of soungs
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AntiChrista4WPeace 10 months ago
It kind of sucks that the Gospel of Thomas was the one in the best condition because that one seems likely to be just a collection of sayings from every time period for 300 years, like the Psalms and the Proverbs.
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AntiChrista4WPeace 10 months ago
Human and woman's rights.. Humanity united as one..
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AntiChrista4WPeace 10 months ago
this is pure blasphemy! JESUS "IS" THE SON OF GOD! WHO SACRAFICED HIMSELF FOR ALL MANKIND.
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AntiChrista4WPeace 10 months ago
jesus was man.....
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AntiChrista4WPeace 10 months ago
This guy Pete Owen Jones is just dramatising it all. These "Lost" gospels aren't even gospels as such, not even narratives. He is a fake, that's why he is separated from his wife.
jamestrekky 11 months ago
@jamestrekky I don't know if you actually watched this documentary, or what you have against Pete Owen Jones, but it's about the gnostic gospels, not Pete Owen Jones. They're pretty famous, the gnostic gospels, that is. Not Pete Owen Jones.
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AntiChrista4WPeace 10 months ago
The gospel of thomas probably isn't in the canon mainly because it has no mention of Jesus' suffering and death, which was fundamental in Christianity for 3 centuries after the time of Christ, when Christians were being tortured and killed. Christians of the time didn't have any use for some vague and bizarre book of sayings. They were more concerned with survival.
KayBeeEee1983 11 months ago
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AntiChrista4WPeace 10 months ago
And, all 'Born agains' and "evangelicals" are nothing but heretics, becasue the claims to have the power od God in them to heal people, but thats no different than witchcraft, and in the eyes of a True christian religion like that of the Catholic church, Orthodox, and the direct offshoots of both those, born again christians are an occult, heretics to be condemmmed, who DON'T know hwat it IS to be Christ like.
TheTyrantRaptor 1 year ago
@TheTyrantRaptor Well I do not want to enter in the discussion of healing people. If christians are healing people it's by the Power of God. Those things in Lourde are whichcraft. Tell me if you would die this night, where you go in to the hell or into heaven?
tazpi 1 year ago
@tazpi Jesus said "If those who lead you say to you, 'See, the kingdom is in the sky', then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the kingdom is inside of you, and it is outside of you. When you come to know yourselves, then you will become known, and you will realize that it is you who are the sons of the living father. But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty"
TheTyrantRaptor 1 year ago
@TheTyrantRaptor The heaven is inside us when we REPENT and accept Jesus as Lord and Saviour. There is no good inside men, we are all lost without Jesus Christ.
tazpi 11 months ago
@tazpi YOu dwell in the poverty that Jesus speaks of in logion 3 of the Gospel of Thomas.
TheTyrantRaptor 11 months ago
@TheTyrantRaptor Your opinion about me or the opinion of the "gospel" of Thomas doesn't concern me. I am a sinner and Jesus died for my sins. All other stuff is not so important.
tazpi 11 months ago
@tazpi Those ARE the secret sayings that the living Jesus spoke, and which Didymus Judas Thomas wrote down. And he said, whoever discovers the meaning of these saying will not experience death.
TheTyrantRaptor 11 months ago
@TheTyrantRaptor Bullshit.
tazpi 11 months ago
@tazpi Denial....hahaha
TheTyrantRaptor 11 months ago
@TheTyrantRaptor The lost "gospels" haven't got nothing to do with christianity theyre just esoterics.
tazpi 11 months ago
@tazpi Jesus said to them, "If you fast, you will give rise to sin for yourselves; and if you pray, you will be condemned; and if you give alms, you will do harm to your spirits. When you go into any land and walk about in the districts, if they receive you, eat what they will set before you, and heal the sick among them. For what goes into your mouth will not defile you, but that which issues from your mouth - it is that which will defile you."
TheTyrantRaptor 11 months ago
@TheTyrantRaptor I can't find that nowhere in the Scriptures.
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@TheTyrantRaptor "If you fast, you will give rise to sin for yourselves; and if you pray, you will be condemned; and if you give alms, you will do harm to your spirits."
That is the verse in the Gospel of Thomas I just can't digest. Can you explain to me how that is Christian?
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AntiChrista4WPeace 10 months ago
@tazpi Why can't something that's esoteric be Christian? Jesus himself was esoteric. He didn't preach to the world; he only preached to small groups around Judea. The Romans didn't even know what he looked like, that's why Judas had to betray Jesus with a kiss. Jesus was insignificant to the Roman government at the time, that's why there's nothing about him in the contemporary Roman records.
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@KayBeeEee1983 Jesus is the son of God. And his word you can read in the gospel of Luke, Marc, Matthew and John.
tazpi 10 months ago
@tazpi thats because christianity has nothing to do with the life of jesus
theviker 10 months ago
@theviker Well real christianity has got a lot to do withe the life of Jesus or at least should. But nobody is perfect, me neither.
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@TheTyrantRaptor "all 'Born agains' and "evangelicals" are nothing but heretics, becasue the claims to have the power od God in them to heal people, but thats no different than witchcraft,"
Isn't that exactly what the Jewish authorities thought about Jesus?
KayBeeEee1983 10 months ago
No real christian accepts the "lost gospels". Unfortunately I read once the gospel of Thomas: Has nothing to do with Jesus. Jesus died for our sins.
tazpi 1 year ago
@tazpi Yes, real christian DO accept the lost gospels. For the first 400 years the Gospel of Thomas was widely read.
TheTyrantRaptor 1 year ago
@tazpi Yes, there are real christian DO accept the lost gospels. Me, a Roman Catholic. For the first 400 years the Gospel of Thomas was widely read.
TheTyrantRaptor 1 year ago
@TheTyrantRaptor God is not interested if you are a roman catholic. God is interested if you are a new born. The apostle Paul warned in the real bible of such writings like the "gospel" of Thomas. The gospel of Thomas is in total contradiction with the bible.
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@tazpi Jesus said "If those who lead you say to you, 'See, the kingdom is in the sky', then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the kingdom is inside of you, and it is outside of you. When you come to know yourselves, then you will become known, and you will realize that it is you who are the sons of the living father. But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty
TheTyrantRaptor 1 year ago
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@tazpi Jesus said "If those who lead you say to you, 'See, the kingdom is in the sky', then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the kingdom is inside of you, and it is outside of you. When you come to know yourselves, then you will become known, and you will realize that it is you who are the sons of the living father. But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty
TheTyrantRaptor 1 year ago
St Teresa of Avila speaks of "taking it like a man" and being "as a man" in the Seven Mansions. If I am not mistaken. Otherwise for sure it was either in the Revelations of Divine Love, in Divine Consolations, or St. Catherine of Siena writings. I didn't really question it because I fully got it and I'm a woman. It's about having no dependency on man and also about not being subject to the emotions as a woman often is.
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AntiChrista4WPeace 10 months ago
they burnt many gospels, becasue jesus preached islam, they burnt many stuff, so how could this be the son of god, and where is the gospel of jesus?, remember jesus peace be upon him is the messiah, jesus is the prophet, jesus is the mightest messengers of allah, and the hebrew word god is elah, and arabic allah
abbas7944 1 year ago
@abbas7944 Are you sreious dude? Preaching an Islamic view that didnt exist until at least 800 years later? 800 years in the non-IT age is a very fucking long time, especially amogst people were 98% illiterate. Mohammed was peodofile who had sex with 9 year old girl whilst in his 50s. The Gospel of Thomas is the closest to historical Jesus we have. Jesus the son of God is the Orthodox Christian view of it which became canon in 4th century. You Muslims beleive in Jesus, then BE like Christ.
TheTyrantRaptor 1 year ago
@TheTyrantRaptor listen read song of solomon chapter 5 verse 16 the hebrew quote, and you christians are clearly misguided, may allah guide you. and if the wives of the prophet had no problem why have you got a problem? has this become a new thing? according to the bible solomon had over 700 wives right? even though he is a prophet of islam peace be upon him, jesus was a muslim, so you should like a muslim, and ofcourse he is the christ, but not in the sense of when he was crucified.
abbas7944 1 year ago
@TheTyrantRaptor messiah is the hebrew word, and arabic word is mesii, in the english meaning anointed, according to the bible book of isaiah chapter 45 verse 1 god speaks to cyrus and calls him anointed meaning christ, so it is cyrus the christ right?, may allah guide you. and the quran was put together in 23 years, not written down by luke, mark, matthew and john who sat there writing stuff for a long time, and christianity came about later not during the time jesus christ peace be upon him.
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AntiChrista4WPeace 10 months ago
If the holy ghost is in you then it will come out of you. The holy ghost is jesus and if it is not in you when he come back he will destroy you because, the only ones who will live is the ones with his spirit living and speaking out of their flesh house.
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And (remember) when Allah will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O 'Îsa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)! Did you say unto men: 'Worship me and my mother as two gods besides Allah?' " He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours; truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden (and unseen). SURAH 5 VERSE 116
SAJEDMUNIR 1 year ago
I AM TELLING YOU THESE ARE THE WORDS GOD the silence calls too me the unknown whisper its secret to me. i heard GOD TODAY SAY LISTEN TO THE SILENCE. DO NOT LISTEN TOO THE CONFUSION. SILENCE IS WHERE I WALK... big secret hold on to love let all of the other stuff go i call it shit that distorter of happiness and life hate worry judging self and people, gossip ,greed, Envy,anger. & SIN
greenearthnazi20204u 1 year ago
Look at 4:40 when the professor reads the text- it's written in Greek! But didn't the apostle Thomas speak and write in Hebrew like the other apostles? It's hard to find truth these days. It would seem that just looking isn't enough but one must also learn new languages, pick up stones to look under and brush away hearsay from writings of firsthand witnesses. So far all I know is that there is a creator of all things and that we should do to others as we would have them done on to us.
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Very interesting. I think the church should revise the Bible completely from ancient documents that exist. Where are all the scrolls that make up the existing Bible? We know the early christians altered the Bible and to alter anything there has to be a reason? What were they frightened of people reading? Why alter an ancient book at all? I think the other 4 desciple gospels were altered to back up each other and I think this one is the genuine macoo about Jesus!! Very interesting anyway!
MarionBridger 1 year ago
Very interesting. I think the church should revise the Bible completely from ancient documents that exist. Where are all the scrolls that make up the existing Bible? We know the early christians altered the Bible and to alter anything there has to be a reason? What were they frightened of people reading? Why alter an ancient book at all? I think the other 4 desciple gospels were altered to back up each other and I think this one is the genuine macoo about Jesus!! Very interesting anyway!
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AntiChrista4WPeace 10 months ago
ok a few problems right off the bat...I have read every book in the Nag Hammadi Library and min. 5 or 6 about Gnosticism and the discovery at Nag hammadi, not to mention all the documentaries. And yet i have NEVER heard of this skeleton being discovered with the jar containing the codices Also ther are conflicting stories about why the discoverers were there in the first place, Ive even read they had just killed the man who murdered their father before stopping there. Ther's a lot of ?'s still.
420BenG 1 year ago
@420BenG That skeleton being found near the codices could be just speculation, mere conjecture. Peace.
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AntiChrista4WPeace 10 months ago
@420BenG If what was being so important would you hide themselves or hide them and then kill the slave/servant who hid them for you. I would hope that holy men would do the work themselves, yes, and not kill?
jimbojamesIV 1 year ago
@420BenG Sorry about the typo, here's what I meant to say:
If what was being hidden was so important would you hide themselves or then kill the slave/servant who hid them for you. I would hope that holy men would do the work themselves, yes, and not kill?
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AntiChrista4WPeace 10 months ago
have you ever thought that whole ever wrote these wrote them on how they wanted to here it.
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AntiChrista4WPeace 10 months ago
this makes much more sense then the paulianity of today.
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AntiChrista4WPeace 10 months ago
Thomas in my opinion was agnostic. he just wanted them to "prove it" . not doubt but questiong
DurgaShanti 1 year ago
Jewish men kiss each other on the mouth and its not sexual.. its a greeting
DurgaShanti 1 year ago
I like it when he says, "their meaning is cryptic. It's also compelling." :D
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AntiChrista4WPeace 10 months ago
so how authenthic are all these scripts,hw sure are we all these are not made up anti-Christ stories?? of course it wuld be found in Eygpt, they aren't exactly best friends to Christainity !!! I wuld tell you all these, I knw what wat I feel. there is indeed Jesus Christ, and He is divine,words cann't explain. donn't let anyone steal ur salvation from you, in this world, U CAN ONLY LIVE ONCE & BE JUDGED ONCE, HELL OR HEAVEN ! CHOOSEN WISELY, COS IT'S ONLY ONCE.
dovelov 1 year ago
@dovelov How authentic are the books that were retained in the New Testement?
There are no original copies of the books that made it into the canon - the books from Nag Hamaddi are just as old as the earliest papyrus copies of any NT books - as the film says, they could be earlier...
Are you seriously suggesting someone would spend such enormous effort preparing propaganda against a religion that hadn't even established itself by this time? That makes no sense...
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AntiChrista4WPeace 10 months ago
@dovelov jesus is divine god man FROM GOD ACORDING TO PAUL SIGNED LUKE :))
that is the word of god for christians....
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AntiChrista4WPeace 10 months ago
it means work out your own salvation. "be ye a light unto yourself"
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AntiChrista4WPeace 10 months ago
Kolfkase77, so do you know better about your grand grand fathers life, or your grand father? Case closed. Dont be ignorant! Search for the truth! Koraan has the answers
kurdishleader 1 year ago
May Allah guide us!
kurdishleader 1 year ago
Earliest does not necessarily mean BETTER. Think of it this way. Let's say for the sake of argument, this was written first, but was written with intent to destroy what Jesus raised up. Which could explain why so few of these gnostic gospels are around today. People could say well, this is older, so it has to be closer. No, this could be an older CORRUPTED source. Maybe some truth to them, yes, I would agree, but let's not believe this just because it was on television.
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AntiChrista4WPeace 10 months ago
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ross011101 1 year ago
@ross011101 Happy Easter n i got more....!
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AntiChrista4WPeace 10 months ago
@badboybilzer
the investigations critique in the media also made me think my presentation was intuitive amounting to baseless fact and insinuating
I think now I may have fingered a detective surveillance operative working the discussion boards as involved
Uh, Oh well I thank them for the lashing
and i will rethink my thoughts and leave that open for interpretation.
jcbmatua 1 year ago
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AntiChrista4WPeace 10 months ago
@badboybilzer
I recently tried to apply my rationale to a real life murder mystery that went public recently.. The feedback from the Investigation through media indicated that the presentation of data from me and others was useless and vain, " Amateurish ".
Although I believed my thoughts to be true and would somehow lead to the killers.what it really did was bring the reality of Evil to my very doorstep. real or imagined it was here with me and the definition is Vulnerability.
jcbmatua 1 year ago
@badboybilzer
According to you the gist is, " Amateur " And the process of driving the point home is " Evil ". That is strategic and something Ive been looking at for years, Its called Anti-Terrorism and/ or Anti-Insurgency in its practical application. It is Evil and deliberate. It is manipulation of the amateurs to seek wisdom of a higher power. More Hierarchical manipulation.
jcbmatua 1 year ago
@badboybilzer
And what is this point of Good and Evil? It is man that points out Evil with purpose it appears. Step into the shoes of any of a many things labeled Evil, Evil and good shifts position.
If there is a forbidden fruit in the mythical garden of Eden then that fruit is the Knowledge of God and since you cannot un-ring a bell, building alters around it and shifting blame only acts as a reminder
jcbmatua 1 year ago
@badboybilzer
( 1c )
This is success
Forbidden fruit
Isnt the knowledge of Good and evil, Its the knowledge of God the knowledge of Evil
This is seeing
I see that it was not evil that was created, It always has been
It was good that was created. Heavens out of hell
jcbmatua 1 year ago
@badboybilzer
( 1b )
That is the bases for what you have repeated and directed towards me.
I confirm my position and what it is I believe
" without that we lack the requisit skills to navigate life compently and skillfully,having no success and seeing nothing "
Fruits This idea of fruit, Not in the narrative and is nothing i consider valuable
jcbmatua 1 year ago
@badboybilzer
( 1a )
the fear of god is the very begining of wisdom. without that we lack the requisit skills to navigate life compently and skillfully,having no success and seeing nothing prosperous.
Garden of Eden narratives:
post-original sin
" They will, or are like us, knowing good and Evil "
Pre- original sin
" You will be like them, knowing good and evil "
jcbmatua 1 year ago
@badboybilzer
(ascribing god to social management systems)
I don't believe in god
jcbmatua 1 year ago
@badboybilzer
A cup 1/2 empty or a cup 1/2 full
A Teacup full is a Teacup not empty
grasshopper
Why would you try to fill it unless that is, the real intent is to change it.
Hierarchical manipulation
jcbmatua 1 year ago
Finding that which will make us "live" "within" is reference to meditation within the third eye, after initiation by a Master into the "Word" "Logos" "Tao" "Om" "Aum" Amen" etc. To become man or male is to become Human, spiritually attuned via meditation within the inner eye & ear. All masters throughout all Time have initiated their select, spiritually advanced disciples into this "Living Water". There is never a generation without a connection to this. We reincarnate until we are ready.
eyefocus3 1 year ago
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AntiChrista4WPeace 10 months ago
@badboybilzer
You come across as confused
1. Jesus isnt a set of Rituals and Beliefs
2. Rituals and Beliefs are not God
3. God says, goes, Unlike us no need for apologies, God is proven and confirms his own
You confess social order without system ( One trusts in God to manage his/ her affairs ) beliefs untested yet believing within a controled enviroment of social order where the hierarchical mechanisms are manipulated to the benefit of its citizens.
You are not qualified to lecture me
jcbmatua 1 year ago
@badboybilzer
It is by god that i am to believe in no god nor in a hell, I am to believe in here, this.
" If you do not bring forth that which is in you, That which is within you will destroy you.,If you bring forth that which is within you,That which is within you will save you.
That which is within you is prayer.
jcbmatua 1 year ago
@badboybilzer
wkatenr. I stop for noone or anything. I am not searcjing for belief I am a hunter following prey. I fear nothing
jcbmatua 1 year ago
@badboybilzer
So what is it that your against? Any attempt to draw parrallels or link in any way the mythical Mystery babylon with a Mythical Sophia?
That the word of Jesus is explicit in its transparency contradicting the Mystical attributes of Gospel of Thomas.
Dont worry about it, its a story.
jcbmatua 1 year ago
@1:49 still frame of video
Could be anything, angle of my light fixture, tilt of my head , periphery
Theres an ankh on the side of the cliff, Appears natural. Caught it while distracted, thought my eyes were playing tricks on me. I dont assign significance at this point cause theres no indication I should, but their was a line of thought attached to it. The burial was culure bound. Makes me wonder if that was the site or random scenic view
jcbmatua 1 year ago
John the Baptist told the pharasees to "bring forth" fruit meet for repentance and we know that we must bring forth fruits as a tree planted by the rivers of water (water of Life the word) and psalms 1.
1Mazzaroth 1 year ago
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AntiChrista4WPeace 10 months ago
@AntiChrista4WPeace Happy Resurrection Day to you.
1Mazzaroth 10 months ago
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AntiChrista4WPeace 10 months ago
That's a cool saying.
"If you do not bring forth what is within you, what you do not bring forth will destroy you."
I like it.
CaptainChaos777 1 year ago
St. Thomas is believed to have travelled to Kerala, India. There is a tomb for St.Thomas in Tamilnadu
inder19852000 1 year ago
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AntiChrista4WPeace 10 months ago
Those sayings don't sound misogynistic or chauvinist to me; they sound gnostic and alchemical. They *are* obscure and cryptic, though.
brdy 1 year ago
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AntiChrista4WPeace 10 months ago
at 3:55 sais gospel of Tomas in greek.
i dont know if he wrote it but its kind of wierd to see something that a man wrote before 2000 years,especialy if that man had Jesus his teacher.
phoenix1925 1 year ago
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AntiChrista4WPeace 10 months ago
Well it depends on what you believe God can do? If you believe in God and that He wants us to know Him then I think that He could have done things to set a chain of events to get the correct Word to His people. Not saying that you all don't have a valid point I just personally believe that the KJV is what made it for a reason due to revalation that comes after reading them while in prayer and in faith. But then again it is a all based upon faith. Where does it lie.
JimmyRich23 1 year ago
@JimmyRich23 Happy Easter!
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AntiChrista4WPeace 10 months ago
So the Church opted NOT