you people are sick and blind believing this illuminati retarted bitch. But he said something smart, "Maybe the only planet in this universe". Exactly. That says it all.
Yep, we define our own reality, inline with nature. Truth is simply what we know today, absolute truth is a deceitful concept created for the fearful of the unknown.
Dead-to-the-spirit deluded "God Delusion" author & blithering fool scientist goon Richard Dawkins another "leader" given 2 the profane masses is another useful idiot 4 Jesuit machinations
Jesuitical; pertaining to the Jesuits or their principals; designing; cunning; deceitful; prevaricating
The Jesuit Order completely altered the education system 2 suit their Evo-Hoax Agenda to discredit the Bible
Papacy cant have their Counter Reformation 2nd Dark Age DESPOTISM til Bible's destroyed folks
Lawrence Krauss is right. We must accept the world for what it is. This advice has been confirmed in a recent message.
The Creator has posted a video on YouTube. The message comes to you directly, without the need for transcription or interpretation by bronze-age scribes, or analysis by Stephen Hawking.
The video tells you how you came to be here, outlines the meaning and purpose of your life, and gives you an insight into the future of humankind.
lacontrabasse SAYS, "...or analysis by Stephen Hawking."
>Seems pathetic Stephen Hawkings is nothing more than a new front farse Papal puppet for Vatican like their other puppet who was a dunce Albert Einstein used to help destroy the Bible tied in w/Evolution Hoax
Church of Rome wishes you to be uneducated and not following the Bible which they want destroyed in order to reign in their despotic one world Godless tyranny
Don't fall for false Jesuit fronts like Stephen Hawkings
These two, being my personal idols are some of the most astoundingly underrated intellectual scientists of our time, if only science was more marketable ! How could anything ever be more wonderful or interesting than evolutionary biology and theoretical physics...?
Rozy02 SAYS, "These two, being my personal idols..."
>Dead-to-the-spirit deluded "God Delusion" author & blithering fool scientist goon Richard Dawkins another "leader" given 2 the profane masses is another useful idiot 4 Jesuit machinations
The Jesuit Order completely altered the education system 2 suit their Evolution Hoax Council of Trent agenda to discredit the Bible
Papal Rome cant have their Counter Reformation 2nd Dark Age DESPOTISM one world tyranny until Bible is destroyed
I truely believe,if it were not for all the crazies and their God worship.The world would be a much safer place.These guys got it right.And you should open your eyes and ears.And listen closely to them.
@BelieveandtrustJesus ...someone is walking the ornate line between zealotry and hollywood. but, to turn what you say into a useful metaphor, and put it back at you: you are legion, and we're driving you and your bullshit out from our cognitive faculties. maybe this was always the case. no one is taking your faith from you, but we're free to remove the conclusions of religions from our own thought. we are justified, and compelled, to challenge. we are not some pig in the mud.
@BelieveandtrustJesus im an atheist, so how could i hate something that doesnt exist? if i were to hate anything that is religious, it would be the human beings that follow a god. those are the people that are racist bigots, cause wars and post stupid comments on youtube.
all you ppl are making the biggest mistake in your lives. Once you die, you see God, and he is real, and his kingdom heavens is real. u ppl must wanna go to tell.. feel sorry for all ya'll..
@mybed20 Your mind makes it real. Mine does not. Please, do not feel sorry for me and my lack of belief. I want you to be happy and enjoy the fantastic ride that is life. When you've done that to the fullest, you will have no longing to revisit the amusement park och take the same ride over and over again, for eternity.
@mybed20 You really don't realise how ridiculous you sound to the rest of us do you? To us, what you are saying is equivalent to you coming in and saying when we die Zeus will come down in a chariot and run over us.
@SeanACampbell I really don't care what you people think or say. All I know is this dude may sound brilliant but he's misleading all y'all to hell. And the devil is very brilliant in words. And if you wanna go to hell with him go right ahead. I'm looking forward to heaven. Every man for himself. I could careless what y'all believe because you're wrong. And I'm not trying to convince you or anybody. That's your soul, not mine. All well.
@mybed20 Oh please. He isn't misleading anyone to "hell", what an incredibly stupid thing to say. You have no tangible proof that anything you are spouting is even remotely accurate or true. If you want to talk about ridiculous fairy tales go to church.
@mybed20 Tell me, how does your evidence for the existence of God (if there is actually any reliable evidence), compare with the overwhelming evidence of evolution, and the fact that there is no need for there to be a God? Everything that has occurred has happened by chance, and happened on it's own, and that is why we are here today.
@babbawabbashabba I don't have to explain myself to you. All I know is God delivered me from certain addictions and freed me mind. And Iam in peace. I could feel him. Thats the evidence. Of course you havent felt or found him so of course God isn't going to grant you evidence of him. And thats your choice. So when judgement day comes, I wonder what excuse are you (and them) are going to have,
@mybed20 I think you are being ignorant and blind. And yes, you do have to explain yourself to me, otherwise there is no way to prove what you are saying. And feeling him? that evidence is total bullshit. And surely it is impossible to felt/find God before him granting evidence of himself...? and what evidence exactly?
Judgement day will not come. When you die, your brain stops functioning, your heart stops beating, and your body rots. End of. There is no heaven or hell.
babbawabbashabba SAYS, "Judgement day will not come. ...There is no heaven or hell."
>Gamble much? I've played in some dangerous games where fools have put everything they got in the pot, with not a clue of knowing the cards in their opponents hands. But aren't you going a bit to extremes?
Your betting a "hell" of a Lot.
peace all!!
BTW, Jesuit Evolution Hoax is part of the papal Caesar dynasty's Counter Reformation agenda to destroy the Bible per their Council at Trent.
"God" haters are a ridiculous set. Certain people will seek out thought-structures which allow them to hate, to persecute others, physically, emotionally, etc. Human institutions change; human psychology doesn't change. There is an upsetting (and a subtle) symbolic link between the old Spanish inquisitor and a modern day atheist on the offense.
Good people don't hurt others, whether or not they believe in "God."
Lawrence Krauss' closing statement is what sets the scientific/rational mind apart from the dogmatic/closed religious mind. Like all decent scientists and rational thinkers, he is not committed to any world view that is ultimately wrong. We believe what we believe today is true because that's what the evidence tells us. Tomorrow, new evidence may completely shatter our ideas. However unsettling that may be, it should be welcomed as it moves us closer to the truth of reality. Can I get an amen?
@Tapiola2007 Well said. We should forget about what makes us feel nicer inside, cause no matter what that is, is not gonna change reality. Intellectual honesty comes with believing what evidence tells us to believe. Intellectual honesty can only get us closer to an understanding of what the universe we live in really is. There's nothing to lose from the truth and lots to win.
@cirogalli And the great thing about this approach to understanding is that the natural world is infinitely more wonderous than the fables found in religious texts! I'm a big fan of Lawrence Krauss but Carl Sagan is the man who set me off in learning about reality.
Tapiola2007 SAYS, "... but Carl Sagan is the man who set me off in learning about reality."
>(If you only knew the reality of the matter & our collective situation)
"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"- Carl Sagan
There are real scientists trying to prove the theory of evolution and after 140 years they are still trying as they keep looking for something that isn't there. Evolution is about as scientific as a voodoo rooster plucking ceremony in Haiti. Almost.
@Tapiola2007 And fundamentalists do not understand that, sadly. To them science is sadly still a subject to be taught, something set in stone and unchanging, when it is really a process of gaining knowledge and the polar opposite.
Tapiola2007 SAYS, "Tomorrow, new evidence may completely shatter our ideas. However unsettling that may be, it should be welcomed as it moves us closer to the truth of reality. Can I get an amen?"
>Evidential UNIVERSAL TRUTH:
Richard Dawkins is a useful tool for Jesuit machinations which seek to destroy that which escaped the clutches of antichrist papal Caesar dynasty Vatican Rome
Jesuit Evolution Theory Hoax created to help fulfill papacy's Council of Trent agenda
@beatonm198 I'm not certain what makes you think i was unaware that the church was a controller of knowledge in it's highest strength and attempts to do so even today, but thank you for your opinion and insight into the matter.
@ReasonSharp I'm not interested in defending the church, it's actions, or it's doctrines, only in stating historical fact. The historical fact is that the church was the most prolific source of information in its time, and Newtons refuting of the doctrine of propelled motion was a point in which a scientist refuted the most dominant form of thought in his day, and they was later him self shown to have been lacking as well which allowed the science to advance once more.
@Logicalhumanist You need to do more research. The Church is responsible for the control of all knowledge, and the destruction of knowledge elsewhere that did not support its views or ideals. It was a controlling force that caused some of the slowest rates of improvement in human history.
@daninetails867 gravity and time, not intertwined, but interactive in the ways in which gravity can affect time. Gravity and space distinctively connected possibly intertwined, I do not have enough knowledge to say, though I would be interested to see any evidence either way. I apologize if my comments have been confusing or misleading, and thank you for your patience.
Could not agree more with these two. Many people seek a purpose in life when in the sceme of things there is no "purpose". As the Chinese saying goes "May you live in interesting times".
Please visit my channel for the unpopular truth about homosexuality.
A person does not need hatred or any kind of phobia in order to acknowledge important differences between heterosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption and homosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption. Even non-religious people know this.
Homosexual activists, with support from the media, have successfuly framed themselves as noble victims; it's an effective way to push a social agenda.
i cant wait to have that feeling of my beliefs come crashing down. i wanna know what that feels like. it was kinda like when i heard about the neutrino breaking the speed of light.
@kiddhitta In the past I argued vehemently against phytoestrogens and circumcision, only to be confronted with new evidence in each case. These were hardly a life changing events, however they were very humbling. In the time since I have been more open to, and actively sort out evidence contrary to my beliefs to my great benefit.
If you approach the would full of doubt you can challenge your current beliefs. A task nobody on earth could honestly undertake without making some serious adjustments
I don't think it "goes crushing down", more like realizing you have some old rubbish that should be thrown in trash bin; maybe like this - as a kid you had a toy that you treasured ("my preciousss!"), but now it's old, dented, lost colour etc, recently you found it in some box in attic and realized it doesn't have a value nor as a toy for your kids nor as a souvenir from the past.
So, it's not a Revelation or something, but a simple process, just like housekeeping.
im talking about something huge. like realizing god isnt real. as far back as i can remember i never really believed in god. i would like to know the feeling of one finally going "wow, god isnt real."
Well, obviously it depends on the very person who experiences it. It might as well be "OK, God isn't real. So what? F..k it!" instead of something huge 8D
@SwineNahNah well i mean it as a devout christian for like 30 year realizing god isnt real. that would be pretty huge. for me it would be like finding out natural selection isnt the process of how life evolves. that would blow my mind.
There are such people, many actually, like Tracy and Matt from Austin Atheist Community, for example (see them on the Atheist Experience here on YouTube if you haven't already). Matt was going to become a preacher, so he studied the Bible really in-depth... and ended up being an Atheist. 8D
Also I recommend to look up for "Beyond Belief" project run by ex-believers, sort of post-traumatic recovery program for those who have found they don't believe religious BS anymore.
P.S. Also "S6E5: Faith Healing and Exorcism" on AskAnAtheistTV channel is a must see (listen actually, it's a podcast), on this episode there is an ex hard line Christian / faith healer, now an Atheist.
"Science isn't a 'story'..." [sigh...] I never cease to be amazed by Christians' tunnel vision - because THEY accept things on faith, they believe that those who have observed solid evidence in support of the working hypothesis of evolution - "believe" in evolution... Christians view evolution and those who find it valid, as flailing around in the same manner as Christians...
@Poonard Never before have we had such potential for intellectual achievement and enlightenment. It is exciting and wonderful to think about and take a moment to appreciate. It makes me feel very fortunate to not only be living now, but also to be utilising my intellect and the body of knowledge available to me, to the best of my ability.
@Poonard I understand where you're coming form, but believe it or not it used to be worse. Far worse for most. Were doing ok man, and the fact we think the world is fucked up and we can do better is a sign that we are making real progress in the world.
@aikighost in a sense you are right..but i want to take it all the way and not become complacent. I'm sick of some of these so called scientist with their big corporate money and big government sanctions LYING their asses off and fucking the world over. Sure, we're better off now because we can figure these things out faster than ever before. But with that comes the realization that if we take two steps forward, "THEY" will force us back 3....just saying.
What I don't understand is this....I'm no scientist and I'm sure those of you who are can't wait to rip what I have to say to shreds because I think a lot of you actually get off on it, but no matter what evidence is provided to me, it always opens up 1,000 more questions. So with every plateau of understanding arises more and more questions. You expect me to believe in you when you are so closed minded to the evidence that we still do not know who we are or where we are going.
@Poonard All I have to do for you to do your job in the scientific field is keep asking questions. Who? Why? What? When? Where? No matter what you provide, I'll have more questions. If we lived forever, the evidence shows me that I can infinitely ask you another question that contradicts your evidence. Is that not evidence itself of something much broader than simple numbers and data? Science uses a paradox method to explain this away. For me, the universe is more than chemicals and numbers.
@Poonard : A question cannot contradict evidence, perhaps the answer. And it's right, with every answer, there might be more questions. But what is wrong with that? You cannot expect that all questions will be answered within your lifetime, and even if you lived forever, as you say, there might still be open questions. But that's no reason not to ask. You're not asked to believe in the scientists, you should only believe in provable facts. And science provides more of those than any religion.
@Rigo0Jancsi that's the kind of reasonable answer I was hoping to hear. I am not a religious man, but I also recognize that science itself can be manipulated just like religion to control the thoughts and direction of humanity. Science can be made into a religion and I want to avoid that by staying open to possibility and wonder. I do not like any agenda which seeks to end ideas, possibilities, wonder, and freedom. There are people in this world who combine science and spirituality. That's me.
@Poonard Sounds like you're a practitioner of wishful thinking. You probably find it more aestetic for there to be something beyond what is natural. That's all fine and good, but don't try make any decisions that may affect others based on those unfounded beliefs. In other words, keep your beliefs to yourself.
@TheHigherVoltage If you want me to believe in your evidence, I will ask more questions. Nine times out of ten, the answers I'm given do not consider all aspects of the situation in question. Occam's Razor is an easy way to avoid dealing with the truth of the matter. So if scientist provide supposed "evidence" yet fail to explain every aspect of what they are trying to prove, then a single question can contradict an entire experiment.
@TheHigherVoltage When Michael Mann tried to provide "evidence" of global warming. Many many others started to ask questions about his research and those questions lead to answers which directly contradicted his "evidence" and thank goodness! Am I to live my life bowing to scientist just because they say they have evidence and that it's true and I'm stupid for asking questions which might lead to contradicting their claims? I refuse to live this way.
@Poonard We scientific community agrees with Micheal Mann. We know the increase of greenhouse gases in our atmosphere are warming our planet....so wtf are you talking about?
@TheHigherVoltage What I'm trying to say is, just like religions want you to just buy what they say, science can also be manipulated in the same manner. Closed minded people on both sides need to realize there are others in this world who are somewhere in the middle, a more honest position, where human beings realize we are evolving into more complex life forms and that being so absolute in one direction or another is detrimental to our evolution as a species. I keep my mind open.
It's truly an exciting and fortunate time to be alive, and it's stimulating to have beliefs challenged with credible evidence against. Like I used to be superstitious but learned better. I used to be Libertarian but learned better. I wonder what's next.
@ThorGoLucky I would be careful, the delusion that totalitarianism is any kind of enlightened solution, when if is indeed the last bastion of the fearful & weak minded sociopath narcissist,who will always meets a messy & rude awakening to truth end.
The truth being humanity is diverse, poly by nature. And none of your cultist "absolute truth" beliefs in one way being the right way & all else must be wrong is ever going to alter that fact. Have you not learned this yet? Carry your own baggage :)
@Kinkspace What a bizarre interpretation of what I said. If I didn't base reality on credible evidence, I could end up like a double-talking righteous nut.
@ThorGoLucky You were wondering whats next, yet you are blind to it in reality because of your beliefs. The evidence is observable in every video & comment section of atheists. You seek evidence but like all believers you conveniently miss the most relevant piece of the puzzle... We are all human, we are one but not the same. This is the only irrefutable truth, this is the only evident reality when all else is said & done.
Humanity is not self righteous, it simply is. Look in your own mirror.
you can't "accept the world without fear" because of the reality of death - YOUR DEATH ... also scientists DON'T "go to work every day to prove their colleagues wrong" because their colleagues are the people they must not offend otherwise they will not see the next Dollar of their grant money ... and they will be fired and disgraced and have to get a job stacking shelved at Wallmart
@22idea because you will be standing before a Holy God who will hold you to account for each and every every dirty, sinful thought, word and deed you ever had and committed and then you will be rightfully be condemned to eternal punishment to pay for your sins ... i.e. the Creator will throw his disappointing creation into the garbage can .... still not worried ?
@celal777 Im still not afraid and your words still are bla-bla-bla without any proof :) Im sorry that I dont do bad things because Im a good person, and you dont do bad things because you are afraid of "eternal punishment".
@22idea the Bible says nobody is "a good person" in the sight of a Holy God ... Jesus Christ is the only way you can be saved ... you have been warned ... your blood be on your own head ... bye
@celal777 a) I do not fear death, while I have no desire to die, When it happens I will not be afraid because I go to nothing and as such there is nothing to fear. b) science revolves around the idea of disproving ideas. The scientific method is the method of systematically disproving all alternative hypothesis. The greatest scientist of our time are those that have disproved the greatest minds that came before them. Hawking disproved Einstein, Einstein disproved, Newton, and Newton the Church
@kronokronic *note: I am not a Physicist by any means and the following was a result of one undergraduate level course and two internet searches* Newtonian physics, specifically the theory of mechanics, and more specifically the theory of universal gravity, was replaced with the theory of special relativity. Newtonian physics is still taught is classrooms for simplicity and to be a building block for later learning.
@ialvarez357 why fear the inevitable? If it's going to happen one day anyway and there is nothing that can be done about it then, it's just a fact. And with that fact it makes life and the time we have now, really important. so don't fear death, fear not living, go hug your children if you have them, tell the person you've had your eye on you like them, have a good time with your friends and loved ones. Just live...
@JDP1699 While I am not a physicist , by my understanding Stephen Hawking's singularity theorems allowed for a greater understanding of the forces of gravity and space/time. While gravity and the distortion of relative time as velocity increased were covered under the theory of general relativity, the theory was expounded upon to demonstrate not only that gravity effects space/time, but that the two are intricately connected if not the same construct all together.
@Logicalhumanist I do believe that you are wrong. Einstein was not disproven by Hawking. Einstein's own theories predicted singularities, Hawking was not needed to show that. If a disproven theory is when it fails in a singularity then all theories in the world are now disproven as they all fail in the big bang singularity. I'm not sure what you mean by saying that they are the same. Space, time and gravity are different things, Gravity affects both, as does acceleration. Please explain.
@Logicalhumanist Secondly science does not revolve around disproving ideas, new ideas are always needed. What does one do when a theory is disproven? They must come up with a new one. Science's ultimate goal is get a unified theory of the forces and everything else, not disprove ideas. I just don't want wrong information floating around as I see you've been thumbed up 20 times. Third Newton is still right in many respects, however some of his explanations are not correct.
@daninetails867 when it comes to the first note of the specifics singularities in the theory of relativity I'm afraid I'm out matched, I must admit to having only a limited knowledge of Einstein's body of work and i was not aware it allowed for singularities, if that is true, then I stand corrected. as to the space/time remarks, the statement regarding their intertwined nature came from the fact that they are effected in very similar ways by the same forces and the nature of this is under review
@daninetails867 as for the second section, the goal of any scientific investigation is to disprove the null hypothesis and be able to retain the alternative hypothesis put forth by the investigator. When an alternative hypothesis is found to be statistically relevant and that hypothesis is in conflict with a theory that is in use the theory is either revised or replaced. Almost every theory we use today has been revised as new information comes into light by new investigations.
@Logicalhumanist I'm aware that space and time are intertwined but how is gravity the same as those two? The graviton is a force carrying particle, it is not like a proton, it has no mass. I was not aware that force carrying particles could affect each other? Could you show me an article on this or something please? As for the scientific method, I do believe that I created a straw man, my apologies. What I'm trying to say is that the scientists you have mentioned aren't great simply because cont
@Logicalhumanist they disproved someone else, they are great because of the theories they brought up which solved many of the problems of the past theory. For example, I may have a theory which is broken but some parts still work. Now everyone in the world can come up with an experiment to disprove it. But no one can come up with a viable alternate theory to replace it. This is what Einstein did and what made Einstein and those other scientists great. Not disproving a theory.
@daninetails867 I believe to the later section, that of a combination of previous knowledge with new findings to form a synthesis of the two (assuming I have not misunderstood your statement) we are in complete agreement. however if I may return to the original point for a moment the statement that prompted my remark was regarding the idea that scientist must agree with each other, and in this regard they we're working in odds against a current theory. If I have misused the word.
@daninetails867 the third statement is partly covered int he explanation of the second, but I will continue by saying that while many of Newtons hypothesis still hold the theory has been revised significantly enough to no longer be credited to him specifically. This process of discussion and correct that we have engaged in is a wonderful example of peer review. My statement seems to have been in error and was corrected by those with greater experience in a specific field.
@ReasonSharp the doctrine of information the church was teaching at the time consisted of the greatest minds before them. It was a compilation of classic Greek and Roman philosophy, these were great minds and their combined force at the time was the greatest force of thought at the time.
@Logicalhumanist And what of, say Pythagoras or Aristotle? Or let's be more relevant, what of Galileo Galilei? Or do you perhaps ascribe the term "great" to anyone teaching the prevalent dogma?
@ReasonSharp a) Aristotle's teachings were part of the doctrine of knowledge the church professed. b) Galileo was not mentioned as he was not disproved but vindicated by Sir Issac Newton. c) While I was using the term for both the prevalence and depth of thought, either one would seem to fit the classical thinkers of Greece and Rome.
@Logicalhumanist Obviously you fail to see what I'm talking about. Aristotle and Pythagoras both said that the earth was spherical, whereas the Church taught it was flat. Furthermore, the Church taught that the Earth was the center of the universe and prosecuted the minds who disagreed, such as Galileo, rightfully called the "father of science". So, don't put the fictional mind of a dogmatic institution before the very real minds of the great men whose discoveries our civilization rests upon.
@ReasonSharp the first have of the message seems to have disappeared, it went something along these lines. The correctness an idea does not have to be related to it's greatness. The theory the church had put forth was wrong, but it was created and distributed by some of the greatest minds of the time for hundreds of years before the scientific method was in use. the idea that it was not a pulling force, but a pushing force seem logical to them at the time. the original statement was intended to
@ReasonSharp Cont. show that science is not the art of blindly agreeing with those around you but of testing the limits and truth behind the theories and assumptions that are made in the field of one's endeavors .
" The theory the church had put forth was wrong, but it was created and distributed by some of the greatest minds..."
Again I have to ask, what of Pythagoras and Aristotle? They knew way before the Church stepped in, that the Earth was round, whereas the Church taught it was flat. Also, the point of me mentioning Galileo was to show that the Church is *dogmatic* in its *beliefs*, not great in its knowledge and/or discoveries.
God is real. Atheists believe there is no god because they are just too lazy to make up their minds and subscribe to myriad religions that are all, exclusively, the right religions.
@DonnZ0r The problem description presented by the Zeitgeist movement is spot on. The solution probably needs a lot of adjustments. I am cautiously optimistic, but I spend a lot of time thinking about different solutions. What's the point of bashing people who have devoted their life to make this a better world for all of us? Bring your own ideas and I will gladly discuss them with you. It's so easy to criticize.
@DonnZ0r I think that a more accurate analogy would be that the hard working chef brings you a menu which took him years to refine. Without ever tasting that particular food before, or knowing very much about cooking, you tell him that it will taste bad. It's disrespectful. If on the other hand you decide to give him some advice, that will at least be constructive criticism and perhaps improve the menu to your liking. You have the right to be disrespectful, but that doesn't make it right.
@gnoink I'd say "I see that you use bunch of different feces of animals in that recipe, I don't want to eat that and it'll probably taste foul." I do not care how long the chef spent coming up with it.
@DonnZ0r If a society without money = animal feces, I suppose that the vast majority of species on Earth must live extremely crappy lives? Our brains adapted through evolution, to react to our environment and each other in ways that were beneficial to the survival of our species. I do not believe that our ancient ancestors walked around moping all day long, perceiving the world as a giant turd. It simply does not fit the "survival of the fittest" formula.
@plaina the zeitgeist movement is full of crap and misinformation and lies, as an atheist i think most of us have a skeptical way of thinking so you should perhaps look into the information the zeitgeist movement offers and then it will become clear that much of what is said is lies
@lolroflmaoization I did do some research into the first part of the first movie and sad to say I couldn't establish whether any of it was either true or false. The movie seemed to exploit the unknown parts of history to postulate its own theory of the idea of a deity. Plus its main reference was a book by a suspicious (untrustworthy) author. I never bothered to check anything else, but if you have some material that gives definite answers, I'd love to look into it.
@plaina Im in brother, a resource based economy, technological advances and the scientific method is what we need to eradicate this destructive behavior implanted in our heads by the indoctrination of this dishonest system.
The Zeitgeist movement has nothing to do with conspiracies, it promotes social problem solving using the scientific method. I hope people do realize this.
@plaina Except that a fouding premise of the Zeitgeist movement is that certain governments, NGOs, and individuals are conspiring to create a one-world order under a common currency, a borderline schizophrenic conspiracy theory lacking the type of empirical evidence demanded in other areas of the movement.
I am astounded at the statements made in the last minutes ...science is about observing that that is carefully enough to understand the workings of what ever is being observed ...duality (right /wrong) thinking is better left behind as thinking that has served a purpose historically yet now is rendered obsolete
a clear simple example of pure scientific research is a newborn baby
Richard Dawkins first response, in itself is beautiful and worthy of being printed on a plaque or crest; I agree with his perspective, and have done so since the first time I heard/read it. It is exactly how I have always interpreted my experiences. Every day, the beauty of the natural world captivates me; it really, truly is a wonderful existence and a privilege to be alive.
was wondering if there is a chance to listen to these two and not getting on the track!
sasantarom 2 weeks ago
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Great Video!
landscapedesignoc 2 weeks ago
This part of the discussion in particular deserves a round of applause. :)
8bobthebuilder 2 weeks ago
But...i love bunsen burners :D
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Richard and Lawrence ROCK intelligence.
baxtar2012 1 month ago
you people are sick and blind believing this illuminati retarted bitch. But he said something smart, "Maybe the only planet in this universe". Exactly. That says it all.
BeforeManKind 1 month ago
@BeforeManKind You're drunk on Jesus Juice aren't you?
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@BeforeManKind What the hell do people think atheists are?
Hypact1v3 3 weeks ago
@Hypact1v3 We just don't believe in a God. That's it. We're not practicing witchcraft or satanism. We're just people, like everyone else.
Hypact1v3 3 weeks ago
@SpencerBenedict2nd...you are an ignoramus. That is all.
glebe9 3 months ago
Yep, we define our own reality, inline with nature. Truth is simply what we know today, absolute truth is a deceitful concept created for the fearful of the unknown.
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Dead-to-the-spirit deluded "God Delusion" author & blithering fool scientist goon Richard Dawkins another "leader" given 2 the profane masses is another useful idiot 4 Jesuit machinations
Jesuitical; pertaining to the Jesuits or their principals; designing; cunning; deceitful; prevaricating
The Jesuit Order completely altered the education system 2 suit their Evo-Hoax Agenda to discredit the Bible
Papacy cant have their Counter Reformation 2nd Dark Age DESPOTISM til Bible's destroyed folks
SpencerBenedict2nd 3 months ago
Lawrence Krauss is right. We must accept the world for what it is. This advice has been confirmed in a recent message.
The Creator has posted a video on YouTube. The message comes to you directly, without the need for transcription or interpretation by bronze-age scribes, or analysis by Stephen Hawking.
The video tells you how you came to be here, outlines the meaning and purpose of your life, and gives you an insight into the future of humankind.
See ' God says sorry. '
lacontrabasse 3 months ago
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lacontrabasse SAYS, "...or analysis by Stephen Hawking."
>Seems pathetic Stephen Hawkings is nothing more than a new front farse Papal puppet for Vatican like their other puppet who was a dunce Albert Einstein used to help destroy the Bible tied in w/Evolution Hoax
Church of Rome wishes you to be uneducated and not following the Bible which they want destroyed in order to reign in their despotic one world Godless tyranny
Don't fall for false Jesuit fronts like Stephen Hawkings
SpencerBenedict2nd 3 months ago
I might be wrong, but doesn't a religious claim that science is attempting to disprove God show a profound lack of faith in God?
MikeDeFi 3 months ago
@MikeDeFi lol I know right. Imagine what a sad sack he is if his creations are able to create something to disprove him? All-powerful my ass.
riothero313 2 months ago
These two, being my personal idols are some of the most astoundingly underrated intellectual scientists of our time, if only science was more marketable ! How could anything ever be more wonderful or interesting than evolutionary biology and theoretical physics...?
Rozy02 3 months ago
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Rozy02 SAYS, "These two, being my personal idols..."
>Dead-to-the-spirit deluded "God Delusion" author & blithering fool scientist goon Richard Dawkins another "leader" given 2 the profane masses is another useful idiot 4 Jesuit machinations
The Jesuit Order completely altered the education system 2 suit their Evolution Hoax Council of Trent agenda to discredit the Bible
Papal Rome cant have their Counter Reformation 2nd Dark Age DESPOTISM one world tyranny until Bible is destroyed
SpencerBenedict2nd 3 months ago
Peace through atheism!
Keep it real, my brothers and sisters!
drumcircler 3 months ago
2 years between uploads?
gamerunknown 3 months ago
I truely believe,if it were not for all the crazies and their God worship.The world would be a much safer place.These guys got it right.And you should open your eyes and ears.And listen closely to them.
MrMic1146 3 months ago
veers dangerously towards the abuse of vegetational concepts. Governing public policy in the way Krauss describes.
RJackson808 3 months ago
@BelieveandtrustJesus ...someone is walking the ornate line between zealotry and hollywood. but, to turn what you say into a useful metaphor, and put it back at you: you are legion, and we're driving you and your bullshit out from our cognitive faculties. maybe this was always the case. no one is taking your faith from you, but we're free to remove the conclusions of religions from our own thought. we are justified, and compelled, to challenge. we are not some pig in the mud.
Judas130 3 months ago
@BelieveandtrustJesus You sir are a moron. Wait, I don't want to insult morons.
We don't hate god or worship satan...neither of them exist xD
Helge129 3 months ago
Longest upload ever.
corylulu 3 months ago
Poor Christians, Its Tragic they dont see reality. fools
3101010 3 months ago
@BelieveandtrustJesus I'm going out on a limb here, but looking at your user name, I'd guess you're a Christian...
champjklccmk 3 months ago
@champjklccmk Could be he's Mexican...?
Tapiola2007 3 months ago
@Tapiola2007 LOL LOL LOL... Awesome!
champjklccmk 3 months ago
@BelieveandtrustJesus im an atheist, so how could i hate something that doesnt exist? if i were to hate anything that is religious, it would be the human beings that follow a god. those are the people that are racist bigots, cause wars and post stupid comments on youtube.
crowdaddy13 3 months ago
im 21 and i have been watching videos like these since i was 18.... i doubt my school will rove any of my ideas wrong.. but i wish it did.
sniped101 3 months ago
all you ppl are making the biggest mistake in your lives. Once you die, you see God, and he is real, and his kingdom heavens is real. u ppl must wanna go to tell.. feel sorry for all ya'll..
mybed20 3 months ago
@mybed20 Your mind makes it real. Mine does not. Please, do not feel sorry for me and my lack of belief. I want you to be happy and enjoy the fantastic ride that is life. When you've done that to the fullest, you will have no longing to revisit the amusement park och take the same ride over and over again, for eternity.
gnoink 3 months ago
@mybed20 You really don't realise how ridiculous you sound to the rest of us do you? To us, what you are saying is equivalent to you coming in and saying when we die Zeus will come down in a chariot and run over us.
SeanACampbell 3 months ago
@SeanACampbell I really don't care what you people think or say. All I know is this dude may sound brilliant but he's misleading all y'all to hell. And the devil is very brilliant in words. And if you wanna go to hell with him go right ahead. I'm looking forward to heaven. Every man for himself. I could careless what y'all believe because you're wrong. And I'm not trying to convince you or anybody. That's your soul, not mine. All well.
mybed20 3 months ago
@mybed20 Oh please. He isn't misleading anyone to "hell", what an incredibly stupid thing to say. You have no tangible proof that anything you are spouting is even remotely accurate or true. If you want to talk about ridiculous fairy tales go to church.
SeanACampbell 3 months ago
@mybed20 Tell me, how does your evidence for the existence of God (if there is actually any reliable evidence), compare with the overwhelming evidence of evolution, and the fact that there is no need for there to be a God? Everything that has occurred has happened by chance, and happened on it's own, and that is why we are here today.
babbawabbashabba 3 months ago
@babbawabbashabba I don't have to explain myself to you. All I know is God delivered me from certain addictions and freed me mind. And Iam in peace. I could feel him. Thats the evidence. Of course you havent felt or found him so of course God isn't going to grant you evidence of him. And thats your choice. So when judgement day comes, I wonder what excuse are you (and them) are going to have,
mybed20 3 months ago
@mybed20 I think you are being ignorant and blind. And yes, you do have to explain yourself to me, otherwise there is no way to prove what you are saying. And feeling him? that evidence is total bullshit. And surely it is impossible to felt/find God before him granting evidence of himself...? and what evidence exactly?
Judgement day will not come. When you die, your brain stops functioning, your heart stops beating, and your body rots. End of. There is no heaven or hell.
babbawabbashabba 3 months ago 3
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babbawabbashabba SAYS, "Judgement day will not come. ...There is no heaven or hell."
>Gamble much? I've played in some dangerous games where fools have put everything they got in the pot, with not a clue of knowing the cards in their opponents hands. But aren't you going a bit to extremes?
Your betting a "hell" of a Lot.
peace all!!
BTW, Jesuit Evolution Hoax is part of the papal Caesar dynasty's Counter Reformation agenda to destroy the Bible per their Council at Trent.
SpencerBenedict2nd 3 months ago
@mybed20 " And do you think that unto such as you,
A maggot-minded, starved, fanatic crew,
God gave a secret, and denied it me?
Well, well, what matters it? Believe that too! "
Omar Khyayyam
lacontrabasse 3 months ago 2
Yours isn't the only brain self-aware.
JOHNINCOLUMBUS 3 months ago
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"God" haters are a ridiculous set. Certain people will seek out thought-structures which allow them to hate, to persecute others, physically, emotionally, etc. Human institutions change; human psychology doesn't change. There is an upsetting (and a subtle) symbolic link between the old Spanish inquisitor and a modern day atheist on the offense.
Good people don't hurt others, whether or not they believe in "God."
Ariel62073 4 months ago
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anetchi 4 months ago
science is beautiful
bbbbbb222222 4 months ago 60
@bbbbbb222222 and if you don't agree, you can fuck off.
TheHardProblem 3 months ago
i don't want to see dawkins agreeing with someone.. i want to see him publicly rape a religious guy
rapeand 4 months ago 3
Lawrence Krauss' closing statement is what sets the scientific/rational mind apart from the dogmatic/closed religious mind. Like all decent scientists and rational thinkers, he is not committed to any world view that is ultimately wrong. We believe what we believe today is true because that's what the evidence tells us. Tomorrow, new evidence may completely shatter our ideas. However unsettling that may be, it should be welcomed as it moves us closer to the truth of reality. Can I get an amen?
Tapiola2007 4 months ago 45
@Tapiola2007 I will see your amen and raise you a, "hell yah"! :P
VegaSec 4 months ago 2
@VegaSec I hear that, brother! ;)
Tapiola2007 4 months ago
@Tapiola2007 amen
axolotl5 3 months ago
@Tapiola2007 Well said. We should forget about what makes us feel nicer inside, cause no matter what that is, is not gonna change reality. Intellectual honesty comes with believing what evidence tells us to believe. Intellectual honesty can only get us closer to an understanding of what the universe we live in really is. There's nothing to lose from the truth and lots to win.
cirogalli 3 months ago
@cirogalli And the great thing about this approach to understanding is that the natural world is infinitely more wonderous than the fables found in religious texts! I'm a big fan of Lawrence Krauss but Carl Sagan is the man who set me off in learning about reality.
Tapiola2007 3 months ago
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@Tapiola2007
Tapiola2007 SAYS, "... but Carl Sagan is the man who set me off in learning about reality."
>(If you only knew the reality of the matter & our collective situation)
"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"- Carl Sagan
There are real scientists trying to prove the theory of evolution and after 140 years they are still trying as they keep looking for something that isn't there. Evolution is about as scientific as a voodoo rooster plucking ceremony in Haiti. Almost.
SpencerBenedict2nd 3 months ago
@Tapiola2007 Amen *100
leevan50rrie 3 months ago
@Tapiola2007 And fundamentalists do not understand that, sadly. To them science is sadly still a subject to be taught, something set in stone and unchanging, when it is really a process of gaining knowledge and the polar opposite.
leevan50rrie 3 months ago
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leevan50rrie SAYS, "To them science is sadly..."
>...been corrupted by Jesuit machinations & used to destroy that which escaped the clutches of anti-christ Rome bringing Man out of papacy's Dark Age
O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane & vain babblings & oppositions of science falsely so called-1 Ti 6:20
Avoid all which falsely lays claim to being "knowledge" or "science" as this more perhaps than anything else has tended to corrupt truth since
SpencerBenedict2nd 3 months ago
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@Tapiola2007
Tapiola2007 SAYS, "Tomorrow, new evidence may completely shatter our ideas. However unsettling that may be, it should be welcomed as it moves us closer to the truth of reality. Can I get an amen?"
>Evidential UNIVERSAL TRUTH:
Richard Dawkins is a useful tool for Jesuit machinations which seek to destroy that which escaped the clutches of antichrist papal Caesar dynasty Vatican Rome
Jesuit Evolution Theory Hoax created to help fulfill papacy's Council of Trent agenda
TRUTH amen
SpencerBenedict2nd 3 months ago
@Tapiola2007 Thank god for Atheists like him!
ilovelani69 1 month ago
@Tapiola2007 Amen!!
jlc012 2 weeks ago
@beatonm198 I'm not certain what makes you think i was unaware that the church was a controller of knowledge in it's highest strength and attempts to do so even today, but thank you for your opinion and insight into the matter.
Logicalhumanist 4 months ago
@ReasonSharp I'm not interested in defending the church, it's actions, or it's doctrines, only in stating historical fact. The historical fact is that the church was the most prolific source of information in its time, and Newtons refuting of the doctrine of propelled motion was a point in which a scientist refuted the most dominant form of thought in his day, and they was later him self shown to have been lacking as well which allowed the science to advance once more.
Logicalhumanist 4 months ago
@Logicalhumanist You need to do more research. The Church is responsible for the control of all knowledge, and the destruction of knowledge elsewhere that did not support its views or ideals. It was a controlling force that caused some of the slowest rates of improvement in human history.
beatonm198 4 months ago
@daninetails867 gravity and time, not intertwined, but interactive in the ways in which gravity can affect time. Gravity and space distinctively connected possibly intertwined, I do not have enough knowledge to say, though I would be interested to see any evidence either way. I apologize if my comments have been confusing or misleading, and thank you for your patience.
Logicalhumanist 4 months ago
Dawkins needs to work out.
TheMrgoku1985 4 months ago
long time, no new uploads...excellent :^)
hanson666999 4 months ago
life is short enjoy!!
nevillepass71 4 months ago
Could not agree more with these two. Many people seek a purpose in life when in the sceme of things there is no "purpose". As the Chinese saying goes "May you live in interesting times".
millertas 4 months ago
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lightandbeautiful 4 months ago
Well, I don't fear death, but I do fear dying. That's a completely different thing, though. However, it is logically justified, if I might add.
martinbondesson 4 months ago
Lawrence Krauss: Master of contributed sentences. Very messy.
Other than that, great...
HKragh 4 months ago
i cant wait to have that feeling of my beliefs come crashing down. i wanna know what that feels like. it was kinda like when i heard about the neutrino breaking the speed of light.
kiddhitta 4 months ago
@kiddhitta In the past I argued vehemently against phytoestrogens and circumcision, only to be confronted with new evidence in each case. These were hardly a life changing events, however they were very humbling. In the time since I have been more open to, and actively sort out evidence contrary to my beliefs to my great benefit.
If you approach the would full of doubt you can challenge your current beliefs. A task nobody on earth could honestly undertake without making some serious adjustments
ASparrow1 4 months ago
@kiddhitta
I don't think it "goes crushing down", more like realizing you have some old rubbish that should be thrown in trash bin; maybe like this - as a kid you had a toy that you treasured ("my preciousss!"), but now it's old, dented, lost colour etc, recently you found it in some box in attic and realized it doesn't have a value nor as a toy for your kids nor as a souvenir from the past.
So, it's not a Revelation or something, but a simple process, just like housekeeping.
SwineNahNah 4 months ago
im talking about something huge. like realizing god isnt real. as far back as i can remember i never really believed in god. i would like to know the feeling of one finally going "wow, god isnt real."
kiddhitta 4 months ago
@kiddhitta
Well, obviously it depends on the very person who experiences it. It might as well be "OK, God isn't real. So what? F..k it!" instead of something huge 8D
SwineNahNah 4 months ago
@SwineNahNah well i mean it as a devout christian for like 30 year realizing god isnt real. that would be pretty huge. for me it would be like finding out natural selection isnt the process of how life evolves. that would blow my mind.
kiddhitta 4 months ago
@kiddhitta
There are such people, many actually, like Tracy and Matt from Austin Atheist Community, for example (see them on the Atheist Experience here on YouTube if you haven't already). Matt was going to become a preacher, so he studied the Bible really in-depth... and ended up being an Atheist. 8D
Also I recommend to look up for "Beyond Belief" project run by ex-believers, sort of post-traumatic recovery program for those who have found they don't believe religious BS anymore.
SwineNahNah 4 months ago
@kiddhitta
P.S. Also "S6E5: Faith Healing and Exorcism" on AskAnAtheistTV channel is a must see (listen actually, it's a podcast), on this episode there is an ex hard line Christian / faith healer, now an Atheist.
SwineNahNah 4 months ago
@SwineNahNah will do boss
kiddhitta 4 months ago
"Science isn't a 'story'..." [sigh...] I never cease to be amazed by Christians' tunnel vision - because THEY accept things on faith, they believe that those who have observed solid evidence in support of the working hypothesis of evolution - "believe" in evolution... Christians view evolution and those who find it valid, as flailing around in the same manner as Christians...
WWZenaDo 4 months ago 2
It's a wondeful time to be alive? Really? have you seen all the wars happening? the police state?
Poonard 4 months ago
@Poonard Never before have we had such potential for intellectual achievement and enlightenment. It is exciting and wonderful to think about and take a moment to appreciate. It makes me feel very fortunate to not only be living now, but also to be utilising my intellect and the body of knowledge available to me, to the best of my ability.
ASparrow1 4 months ago
@Poonard I understand where you're coming form, but believe it or not it used to be worse. Far worse for most. Were doing ok man, and the fact we think the world is fucked up and we can do better is a sign that we are making real progress in the world.
aikighost 4 months ago
@aikighost in a sense you are right..but i want to take it all the way and not become complacent. I'm sick of some of these so called scientist with their big corporate money and big government sanctions LYING their asses off and fucking the world over. Sure, we're better off now because we can figure these things out faster than ever before. But with that comes the realization that if we take two steps forward, "THEY" will force us back 3....just saying.
Poonard 4 months ago
What I don't understand is this....I'm no scientist and I'm sure those of you who are can't wait to rip what I have to say to shreds because I think a lot of you actually get off on it, but no matter what evidence is provided to me, it always opens up 1,000 more questions. So with every plateau of understanding arises more and more questions. You expect me to believe in you when you are so closed minded to the evidence that we still do not know who we are or where we are going.
Poonard 4 months ago
@Poonard All I have to do for you to do your job in the scientific field is keep asking questions. Who? Why? What? When? Where? No matter what you provide, I'll have more questions. If we lived forever, the evidence shows me that I can infinitely ask you another question that contradicts your evidence. Is that not evidence itself of something much broader than simple numbers and data? Science uses a paradox method to explain this away. For me, the universe is more than chemicals and numbers.
Poonard 4 months ago
@Poonard : A question cannot contradict evidence, perhaps the answer. And it's right, with every answer, there might be more questions. But what is wrong with that? You cannot expect that all questions will be answered within your lifetime, and even if you lived forever, as you say, there might still be open questions. But that's no reason not to ask. You're not asked to believe in the scientists, you should only believe in provable facts. And science provides more of those than any religion.
Rigo0Jancsi 4 months ago
@Rigo0Jancsi that's the kind of reasonable answer I was hoping to hear. I am not a religious man, but I also recognize that science itself can be manipulated just like religion to control the thoughts and direction of humanity. Science can be made into a religion and I want to avoid that by staying open to possibility and wonder. I do not like any agenda which seeks to end ideas, possibilities, wonder, and freedom. There are people in this world who combine science and spirituality. That's me.
Poonard 4 months ago
@Poonard Sounds like you're a practitioner of wishful thinking. You probably find it more aestetic for there to be something beyond what is natural. That's all fine and good, but don't try make any decisions that may affect others based on those unfounded beliefs. In other words, keep your beliefs to yourself.
sexyloser 4 months ago
@Poonard " the evidence shows me that I can infinitely ask you another question that contradicts your evidence."
How does a question contradict evidence?
TheHigherVoltage 4 months ago
@TheHigherVoltage If you want me to believe in your evidence, I will ask more questions. Nine times out of ten, the answers I'm given do not consider all aspects of the situation in question. Occam's Razor is an easy way to avoid dealing with the truth of the matter. So if scientist provide supposed "evidence" yet fail to explain every aspect of what they are trying to prove, then a single question can contradict an entire experiment.
Poonard 4 months ago
@TheHigherVoltage When Michael Mann tried to provide "evidence" of global warming. Many many others started to ask questions about his research and those questions lead to answers which directly contradicted his "evidence" and thank goodness! Am I to live my life bowing to scientist just because they say they have evidence and that it's true and I'm stupid for asking questions which might lead to contradicting their claims? I refuse to live this way.
Poonard 4 months ago
@Poonard We scientific community agrees with Micheal Mann. We know the increase of greenhouse gases in our atmosphere are warming our planet....so wtf are you talking about?
TheHigherVoltage 4 months ago
@TheHigherVoltage What I'm trying to say is, just like religions want you to just buy what they say, science can also be manipulated in the same manner. Closed minded people on both sides need to realize there are others in this world who are somewhere in the middle, a more honest position, where human beings realize we are evolving into more complex life forms and that being so absolute in one direction or another is detrimental to our evolution as a species. I keep my mind open.
Poonard 4 months ago
It's truly an exciting and fortunate time to be alive, and it's stimulating to have beliefs challenged with credible evidence against. Like I used to be superstitious but learned better. I used to be Libertarian but learned better. I wonder what's next.
ThorGoLucky 4 months ago 19
@ThorGoLucky As did I, but I went from being a liberal to being a libertarian. I wonder what's next.
baihbalm 4 months ago
@ThorGoLucky I would be careful, the delusion that totalitarianism is any kind of enlightened solution, when if is indeed the last bastion of the fearful & weak minded sociopath narcissist,who will always meets a messy & rude awakening to truth end.
The truth being humanity is diverse, poly by nature. And none of your cultist "absolute truth" beliefs in one way being the right way & all else must be wrong is ever going to alter that fact. Have you not learned this yet? Carry your own baggage :)
Kinkspace 4 months ago
@Kinkspace What a bizarre interpretation of what I said. If I didn't base reality on credible evidence, I could end up like a double-talking righteous nut.
ThorGoLucky 4 months ago
@ThorGoLucky You were wondering whats next, yet you are blind to it in reality because of your beliefs. The evidence is observable in every video & comment section of atheists. You seek evidence but like all believers you conveniently miss the most relevant piece of the puzzle... We are all human, we are one but not the same. This is the only irrefutable truth, this is the only evident reality when all else is said & done.
Humanity is not self righteous, it simply is. Look in your own mirror.
Kinkspace 4 months ago
Too much poetry '...how wonderful reality is...' WTF is this?
jfeuiebf 4 months ago
you can't "accept the world without fear" because of the reality of death - YOUR DEATH ... also scientists DON'T "go to work every day to prove their colleagues wrong" because their colleagues are the people they must not offend otherwise they will not see the next Dollar of their grant money ... and they will be fired and disgraced and have to get a job stacking shelved at Wallmart
celal777 4 months ago
@celal777 if you are so afraid of your death, it doesnt mean everybody is :) Why would i be afraid of something that will happen anyway?
22idea 4 months ago
@22idea because you will be standing before a Holy God who will hold you to account for each and every every dirty, sinful thought, word and deed you ever had and committed and then you will be rightfully be condemned to eternal punishment to pay for your sins ... i.e. the Creator will throw his disappointing creation into the garbage can .... still not worried ?
celal777 4 months ago
@celal777 Im still not afraid and your words still are bla-bla-bla without any proof :) Im sorry that I dont do bad things because Im a good person, and you dont do bad things because you are afraid of "eternal punishment".
22idea 4 months ago
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@22idea the Bible says nobody is "a good person" in the sight of a Holy God ... Jesus Christ is the only way you can be saved ... you have been warned ... your blood be on your own head ... bye
celal777 4 months ago
@celal777 "the Bible says nobody is "a good person" in the sight of a Holy God "
Then the bible is bullshit and it's God anything but holy.
TheHigherVoltage 4 months ago
@celal777 a) I do not fear death, while I have no desire to die, When it happens I will not be afraid because I go to nothing and as such there is nothing to fear. b) science revolves around the idea of disproving ideas. The scientific method is the method of systematically disproving all alternative hypothesis. The greatest scientist of our time are those that have disproved the greatest minds that came before them. Hawking disproved Einstein, Einstein disproved, Newton, and Newton the Church
Logicalhumanist 4 months ago 27
@Logicalhumanist trying to outsmart Newton and Einstein is a nice pie-in-the-sky notion but it's not the way science works in the real world
celal777 4 months ago
@Logicalhumanist When did Hawking disprove Einstein?
RestInPieces777 4 months ago
@Logicalhumanist sorry but newtonian mechanics are still used today.
kronokronic 4 months ago
@kronokronic *note: I am not a Physicist by any means and the following was a result of one undergraduate level course and two internet searches* Newtonian physics, specifically the theory of mechanics, and more specifically the theory of universal gravity, was replaced with the theory of special relativity. Newtonian physics is still taught is classrooms for simplicity and to be a building block for later learning.
Logicalhumanist 4 months ago
@kronokronic sources for the above in formation available upon request, the comment box will not allow hyperlinks.
Logicalhumanist 4 months ago
@Logicalhumanist
You don't fear death?
...damn
ialvarez357 4 months ago
@ialvarez357 why fear the inevitable? If it's going to happen one day anyway and there is nothing that can be done about it then, it's just a fact. And with that fact it makes life and the time we have now, really important. so don't fear death, fear not living, go hug your children if you have them, tell the person you've had your eye on you like them, have a good time with your friends and loved ones. Just live...
Kokojin 4 months ago
@Kokojin
"Don't fear death, fear not living"
It's precisely because I value life, friends, family etc... that I fear death. It will deprive me countless hugs, good times etc...
I'm not saying that I think about death everyday and that I'm paranoid. I just think It's normal and correct to fear death...
and I think you fear death as well, just not in a judeo-christian context.
ialvarez357 4 months ago
@Logicalhumanist how did hawking disproved Einstien? not disagreeing, just curious.
JDP1699 4 months ago
@JDP1699 While I am not a physicist , by my understanding Stephen Hawking's singularity theorems allowed for a greater understanding of the forces of gravity and space/time. While gravity and the distortion of relative time as velocity increased were covered under the theory of general relativity, the theory was expounded upon to demonstrate not only that gravity effects space/time, but that the two are intricately connected if not the same construct all together.
references upon request.
Logicalhumanist 4 months ago
@Logicalhumanist extremely interesting I shall look into it more. Thank you.
JDP1699 4 months ago
@Logicalhumanist I do believe that you are wrong. Einstein was not disproven by Hawking. Einstein's own theories predicted singularities, Hawking was not needed to show that. If a disproven theory is when it fails in a singularity then all theories in the world are now disproven as they all fail in the big bang singularity. I'm not sure what you mean by saying that they are the same. Space, time and gravity are different things, Gravity affects both, as does acceleration. Please explain.
daninetails867 4 months ago
@Logicalhumanist Secondly science does not revolve around disproving ideas, new ideas are always needed. What does one do when a theory is disproven? They must come up with a new one. Science's ultimate goal is get a unified theory of the forces and everything else, not disprove ideas. I just don't want wrong information floating around as I see you've been thumbed up 20 times. Third Newton is still right in many respects, however some of his explanations are not correct.
daninetails867 4 months ago
@daninetails867 when it comes to the first note of the specifics singularities in the theory of relativity I'm afraid I'm out matched, I must admit to having only a limited knowledge of Einstein's body of work and i was not aware it allowed for singularities, if that is true, then I stand corrected. as to the space/time remarks, the statement regarding their intertwined nature came from the fact that they are effected in very similar ways by the same forces and the nature of this is under review
Logicalhumanist 4 months ago
@daninetails867 as for the second section, the goal of any scientific investigation is to disprove the null hypothesis and be able to retain the alternative hypothesis put forth by the investigator. When an alternative hypothesis is found to be statistically relevant and that hypothesis is in conflict with a theory that is in use the theory is either revised or replaced. Almost every theory we use today has been revised as new information comes into light by new investigations.
Logicalhumanist 4 months ago
@Logicalhumanist I'm aware that space and time are intertwined but how is gravity the same as those two? The graviton is a force carrying particle, it is not like a proton, it has no mass. I was not aware that force carrying particles could affect each other? Could you show me an article on this or something please? As for the scientific method, I do believe that I created a straw man, my apologies. What I'm trying to say is that the scientists you have mentioned aren't great simply because cont
daninetails867 4 months ago
@Logicalhumanist they disproved someone else, they are great because of the theories they brought up which solved many of the problems of the past theory. For example, I may have a theory which is broken but some parts still work. Now everyone in the world can come up with an experiment to disprove it. But no one can come up with a viable alternate theory to replace it. This is what Einstein did and what made Einstein and those other scientists great. Not disproving a theory.
daninetails867 4 months ago
@daninetails867 I believe to the later section, that of a combination of previous knowledge with new findings to form a synthesis of the two (assuming I have not misunderstood your statement) we are in complete agreement. however if I may return to the original point for a moment the statement that prompted my remark was regarding the idea that scientist must agree with each other, and in this regard they we're working in odds against a current theory. If I have misused the word.
cont.
Logicalhumanist 4 months ago
@Logicalhumanist So let us be clear, are you saying that gravity and space time are intertwined or not? And if so, how?
daninetails867 4 months ago
@daninetails867 "disproved" then I apologize and hope that my original meaning can be understood.
Logicalhumanist 4 months ago
@daninetails867 the third statement is partly covered int he explanation of the second, but I will continue by saying that while many of Newtons hypothesis still hold the theory has been revised significantly enough to no longer be credited to him specifically. This process of discussion and correct that we have engaged in is a wonderful example of peer review. My statement seems to have been in error and was corrected by those with greater experience in a specific field.
Logicalhumanist 4 months ago
@Logicalhumanist The Church is the greatest mind before Newton? You're joking, I hope.
ReasonSharp 4 months ago
@ReasonSharp the doctrine of information the church was teaching at the time consisted of the greatest minds before them. It was a compilation of classic Greek and Roman philosophy, these were great minds and their combined force at the time was the greatest force of thought at the time.
Logicalhumanist 4 months ago
@Logicalhumanist And what of, say Pythagoras or Aristotle? Or let's be more relevant, what of Galileo Galilei? Or do you perhaps ascribe the term "great" to anyone teaching the prevalent dogma?
ReasonSharp 4 months ago
@ReasonSharp a) Aristotle's teachings were part of the doctrine of knowledge the church professed. b) Galileo was not mentioned as he was not disproved but vindicated by Sir Issac Newton. c) While I was using the term for both the prevalence and depth of thought, either one would seem to fit the classical thinkers of Greece and Rome.
Logicalhumanist 4 months ago
@Logicalhumanist Obviously you fail to see what I'm talking about. Aristotle and Pythagoras both said that the earth was spherical, whereas the Church taught it was flat. Furthermore, the Church taught that the Earth was the center of the universe and prosecuted the minds who disagreed, such as Galileo, rightfully called the "father of science". So, don't put the fictional mind of a dogmatic institution before the very real minds of the great men whose discoveries our civilization rests upon.
ReasonSharp 4 months ago
@ReasonSharp cont. also if you would look to the original post I believe you would see my intent.
Logicalhumanist 4 months ago
@Logicalhumanist You mean that post by celal777? Sorry, your intent totally escapes me.
Anyway, your post begins with "cont", but I can't seem to find the first one. Lost in the interwebs?
ReasonSharp 4 months ago
@ReasonSharp the first have of the message seems to have disappeared, it went something along these lines. The correctness an idea does not have to be related to it's greatness. The theory the church had put forth was wrong, but it was created and distributed by some of the greatest minds of the time for hundreds of years before the scientific method was in use. the idea that it was not a pulling force, but a pushing force seem logical to them at the time. the original statement was intended to
Logicalhumanist 4 months ago
@ReasonSharp Cont. show that science is not the art of blindly agreeing with those around you but of testing the limits and truth behind the theories and assumptions that are made in the field of one's endeavors .
Logicalhumanist 4 months ago
@Logicalhumanist I see, then we disagree on another point.
" The theory the church had put forth was wrong, but it was created and distributed by some of the greatest minds..."
Again I have to ask, what of Pythagoras and Aristotle? They knew way before the Church stepped in, that the Earth was round, whereas the Church taught it was flat. Also, the point of me mentioning Galileo was to show that the Church is *dogmatic* in its *beliefs*, not great in its knowledge and/or discoveries.
ReasonSharp 4 months ago
The thumbnail for this vid looks like that "My mind is full of fuck" meme :/
5gracer 4 months ago
Super common sense
twistedbass15 4 months ago
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God is real. Atheists believe there is no god because they are just too lazy to make up their minds and subscribe to myriad religions that are all, exclusively, the right religions.
Kamaka675 4 months ago
Check out the Zeitgeist Movement people!
plaina 4 months ago
@plaina The conspiracy nut movement or the "Let's remove all the money and it'll suddenly fix all the worlds problems" movement?
DonnZ0r 4 months ago
@DonnZ0r The problem description presented by the Zeitgeist movement is spot on. The solution probably needs a lot of adjustments. I am cautiously optimistic, but I spend a lot of time thinking about different solutions. What's the point of bashing people who have devoted their life to make this a better world for all of us? Bring your own ideas and I will gladly discuss them with you. It's so easy to criticize.
gnoink 4 months ago
@gnoink I don't have to have a better idea to say that one idea is flawed just as I don't have to be master chef to say some food doesn't taste good.
DonnZ0r 4 months ago
@DonnZ0r I think that a more accurate analogy would be that the hard working chef brings you a menu which took him years to refine. Without ever tasting that particular food before, or knowing very much about cooking, you tell him that it will taste bad. It's disrespectful. If on the other hand you decide to give him some advice, that will at least be constructive criticism and perhaps improve the menu to your liking. You have the right to be disrespectful, but that doesn't make it right.
gnoink 4 months ago
@gnoink I'd say "I see that you use bunch of different feces of animals in that recipe, I don't want to eat that and it'll probably taste foul." I do not care how long the chef spent coming up with it.
DonnZ0r 4 months ago
@DonnZ0r If a society without money = animal feces, I suppose that the vast majority of species on Earth must live extremely crappy lives? Our brains adapted through evolution, to react to our environment and each other in ways that were beneficial to the survival of our species. I do not believe that our ancient ancestors walked around moping all day long, perceiving the world as a giant turd. It simply does not fit the "survival of the fittest" formula.
gnoink 4 months ago
@plaina the zeitgeist movement is full of crap and misinformation and lies, as an atheist i think most of us have a skeptical way of thinking so you should perhaps look into the information the zeitgeist movement offers and then it will become clear that much of what is said is lies
lolroflmaoization 4 months ago
@lolroflmaoization I did do some research into the first part of the first movie and sad to say I couldn't establish whether any of it was either true or false. The movie seemed to exploit the unknown parts of history to postulate its own theory of the idea of a deity. Plus its main reference was a book by a suspicious (untrustworthy) author. I never bothered to check anything else, but if you have some material that gives definite answers, I'd love to look into it.
ReasonSharp 4 months ago
@ReasonSharp well then i you will love this website google skeptic project zeitgeist
lolroflmaoization 4 months ago
@plaina Im in brother, a resource based economy, technological advances and the scientific method is what we need to eradicate this destructive behavior implanted in our heads by the indoctrination of this dishonest system.
dreadedhalo 4 months ago
@dreadedhalo Thank you brother.
The Zeitgeist movement has nothing to do with conspiracies, it promotes social problem solving using the scientific method. I hope people do realize this.
It is a social awareness movement!
plaina 4 months ago
@plaina Except that a fouding premise of the Zeitgeist movement is that certain governments, NGOs, and individuals are conspiring to create a one-world order under a common currency, a borderline schizophrenic conspiracy theory lacking the type of empirical evidence demanded in other areas of the movement.
manonthemount 4 months ago
"Im in brother..."
"Thank you brother..."
Cult worshipers.
ReasonSharp 4 months ago
@ReasonSharp That's the best comment you could come up with? Thank you brother, for your enlightened opinion on the matter!
plaina 4 months ago
@plaina I think stating the obvious is pretty effective by itself. Judging by your response, it hit just the right spot.
ReasonSharp 4 months ago
@ 1.07 - 2.24 i,ve got a lump in my throat and a little tear in my eye. dawkins is god.
userwl2850 4 months ago
I am astounded at the statements made in the last minutes ...science is about observing that that is carefully enough to understand the workings of what ever is being observed ...duality (right /wrong) thinking is better left behind as thinking that has served a purpose historically yet now is rendered obsolete
a clear simple example of pure scientific research is a newborn baby
...just a thought ;-])
gaiagale 4 months ago
Richard Dawkins first response, in itself is beautiful and worthy of being printed on a plaque or crest; I agree with his perspective, and have done so since the first time I heard/read it. It is exactly how I have always interpreted my experiences. Every day, the beauty of the natural world captivates me; it really, truly is a wonderful existence and a privilege to be alive.
BladesOfMunch 4 months ago
Richards speech at the beginning of this video was amazing. It truly is a wonderful thing to be alive.
MySNsucks923 4 months ago
where are the other eleven parts?
Ramsez 4 months ago