I've been a fan of the Prisoner since Ch4 showed it in '84 and never knew there was this theme. Thank you for the video - this is fascinating stuff. Flippin awful and completely unsuitable but fascinating all the same!
Excellent and rare documentation! This is a valuable thing you've done! Thanks so very, very much! Cheers! There are some very nasty people here. Please ignore them!
i think this was intended for a american market very cowboy, and without reading i thought i was actually listening to a version of the big country and other snipits yes this was developed for the american market, and no it would never have caught on as a cult theme, listen to what was actually chosen from start, i doubt there was anything around like it at the time, and it hits you instantly, yes they chose the right theme in the end
even though it really doesn't 'fit'(other people's opinion) I think it would have been good if gotten used to hearing. I enjoy the military like march of it. who knows,
It completely lacks the gravitas of the events seen and the series as a whole. Thankfully, the song they ended up using for the show worked much better. This opening would have lead me to think it was a silly adventure show.
"When the music first started I half expected to see a map of the village with a hole burning through it." ... Hahaha ! ... I like it ! ... Could have been good had Number 6 happened to be from the Cartwright family ! ...
No Joke for sure. I have been a sound editor for films for more than 25 years, and this Gentleman pre-dates me by at least three decades. Every word he says rings true. Not the hottest topic on the internet I agree, but for those who think they would like to work in the film busines, this is how it works.
Sounds like the theme for a show where the characters from Dallas perform a corporate merger with the Beverly Hillbillies, who take in the Waltons as boarders, and open a Wild West theme park... all turned into a spoof done by The Young Ones.
This is a beautiful piece, but, dang, I've never laughed so hard since the end of Dr. Strangelove. It's so incongruous! When Pat McGoohan pops out of the Lotus 7 I expected him to start singing "Zippity doo dah, Zippity ey! My, oh, my, what a wonderfull day!"
John Williams is an awesome composer with alot of power, and the way he writes music is brilliant, but I said (this sounds like John Williams if he were retarded) aka danny elfman.
@CaptainRon0001 As my 17 year old just said aloud, John Williams is retarded. He is an excellent plagarist and that is all. As stated elsewhere, You are all sheep.
It is sooooo 60s! It's exactly what you would expect from a typical second-rate detective/adventure t.v. series, which the composer probably thought he was writing it for. Problem is that the Prisoner wasn't a typical series and couldn't use typical music. "The Age of Elegance" fit perfectly.
It has remnants of Holst's "The Planets" mixed with some kind of adventure theme, totally inappropriate. The composer should have been shot the day before he composed this rubbish.
Good theme, but totally wrong for The Prisoner. It's way too big: The theme overwhelms everything, including the opening visuals. It's not subtle at all. It definitely sounds like something out of "Blazing Saddles,""The Magnificent Seven," "Giant," or "Goldfinger" for that matter.
Again: This would work as a good theme for some other TV programme but it would have absolutely sucked as the theme for The Prisoner.
Not bad as a theme, but this "Big Country" not right for the Prisoner. May have worked for a modern military-type movie how about M-CIS besides something like The Wild, Wild West.
Ron Grainer's theme matched the mood, the tension, the atmosphere of the series, was truly inspired work! If this had been used, I don't believe the series would have been as popular, despite the excellent script work and performances.
This is supposed to be a slick, edgy, conspiracy thriller from the 60's not a high heeled, hoe down with shoulder pads...Robert Farnons hang your head in shame and return to your "incidental" music whence you came!!
I will now have to listen to the CHOSEN theme again to un-sully my ears...urgh!
Interesting to think how successful the series would have been had this music been used.
It's good to be able to hear this just to know what could have been. Equally fun would have been to be able to see the reaction if this theme had indeed been used and the original theme were posted here as the alternative. Would an equal amount of people have reacted as negatively to it as they do now to this version merely because that would then have been the version they grew up with?
I'm going to be quite honest with you and you can ridicule me all you want, but I liked it. I mean the music, the beat and all, but I agree that it wouldn't have worked as the theme song for that show. Neither would the second one work, although it's pretty good too.
That's a really good, atmospheric track... but TOTALLY unsuitable!
As well as 'The Big Country', anyone else hear a bit of the Bond incidental music in there? (plays over the speedboat chase in 'From Russia with Love' and many other sequences.)
Eek! That might have worked on the Living in Harmony western episode, but for the TV series itself? I'm not a huge fan of the better known "first unusued theme" by Albert Elms, but it's infinitely better than this one!
I said to myself thats the music to Big Country! Then the editor said the same thing and I patted myself on the back, lol. Amazing how important a thing like music is to the success of a film, they did a great job with the theme music that was picked, it's awesome!
I bet It was that Monty Bergman....Rubbish,Rubbish,Rubbish......Boring ,
HONCH123 6 days ago
f***ing awful!!
floouk 1 week ago
it wasn't dark enough--too upbeat. it would make a good theme for another show
ShannonFAVsongPG 3 weeks ago
this sounds like a cross between danger man and hawaii five o, then at the end it become all like patton, but then it goes back to five o...
MartianMarvin007 4 weeks ago
Awesome song, bad fit.
strangeyoungman 1 month ago
I was shocked to see that you still had your notes, after all these years.
Did you have any sense of how good the show was going to be?
gary7vn 2 months ago
Amazing bit of history. The Prisoner was a great great show. The score, as chosen was superb. Thanks for posting this!
gary7vn 2 months ago
I've been a fan of the Prisoner since Ch4 showed it in '84 and never knew there was this theme. Thank you for the video - this is fascinating stuff. Flippin awful and completely unsuitable but fascinating all the same!
spacefan1962 2 months ago
Patriotic French Prissy who holds his head high with nose upturnt. Nausiatingly uptight and entitled.
That's how this music sounds.
SomethingSea1 3 months ago
I think they were right to reject this music. Though it may have fitted with 'Living in Harmony' :-).
KapStuf 4 months ago
Fascinating. Great for a Prisoner junkie!
Craig0225 6 months ago
Remember this was the 60's. Check out other 60's prog theme tunes, this fits in. NEVER on the Prisoner though!
PhilStopford11 6 months ago
Truly god awful!
dyollmurd 7 months ago
Almost workable. Way too many high strings, the horns work, and the main theme with the minor chord transition works somewhat.
mowriter 7 months ago
Excellent and rare documentation! This is a valuable thing you've done! Thanks so very, very much! Cheers! There are some very nasty people here. Please ignore them!
Glinkaism1 8 months ago
very like theme to the Big Country, now round up some deputy's and go find the bad guys yee harr
princeofdaftness 8 months ago
yee-har!!
addick1965 9 months ago
That one was for westerns. It won't work.
Renagade70 10 months ago
Man.....Glad this one was rejected......Really Really Bad. As others have commented, sounds like a very bad Western theme.
JFinSD2 11 months ago
i think this was intended for a american market very cowboy, and without reading i thought i was actually listening to a version of the big country and other snipits yes this was developed for the american market, and no it would never have caught on as a cult theme, listen to what was actually chosen from start, i doubt there was anything around like it at the time, and it hits you instantly, yes they chose the right theme in the end
Gail940 1 year ago
That really sucked donkey balls. If they'd stuck with that it'd never have developed a cult following. I'd have switched off the moment I heard that.
DarkSk1es 1 year ago
even though it really doesn't 'fit'(other people's opinion) I think it would have been good if gotten used to hearing. I enjoy the military like march of it. who knows,
WannaBeatle 1 year ago
It just doesn't fit at all...
pearvert 1 year ago
ITS NOT RIGHT....... NOOOOO!
coyran 1 year ago
LOL can't be right XD
lilPat 1 year ago
It completely lacks the gravitas of the events seen and the series as a whole. Thankfully, the song they ended up using for the show worked much better. This opening would have lead me to think it was a silly adventure show.
TheStupidrule 1 year ago
lol it's not at all sinister! Thanks a lot though!
SpudIllusionPictures 1 year ago
Sounds like the music therapy they give you in The Village Hospital : (
flippinecc 1 year ago
sounds similar to the Big Country
kenfig 1 year ago
@kenfig I agree - thought it sounded familiar
cosworth6nut 1 year ago
Sounds very much like Farnon' The Champions.
SylvioGoncalves 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
"When the music first started I half expected to see a map of the village with a hole burning through it." ... Hahaha ! ... I like it ! ... Could have been good had Number 6 happened to be from the Cartwright family ! ...
MartinLeMalin 1 year ago
this is really bad!
MELONMOVIES 1 year ago
Thank heavens they didn't choose this version, it's awful. All it needs is some coconuts for the noise of non-existent horses!
I'm not even entertaining the new 2010 "re-make"
Cleg145 1 year ago
Rediculous theme tune
wires1936 1 year ago
Now that is truly awful....
theflyingmusician1 1 year ago
It shows you how important music is. Had that been used, the series would probably have bombed.
cheesehoven 1 year ago
No Joke for sure. I have been a sound editor for films for more than 25 years, and this Gentleman pre-dates me by at least three decades. Every word he says rings true. Not the hottest topic on the internet I agree, but for those who think they would like to work in the film busines, this is how it works.
gersound1 1 year ago
I listen to this and expect to see a herd of cattle and cowboys riding the range going hee yah.
Might have made a good secondary opening for the Harmony episode.
ryoushii 1 year ago 2
I can see why they rejected this one. Doesn't fit the tone of the show at all.
histrion2 1 year ago
"I knew Pat was going to hate it". An understatement.
LordZontar 1 year ago
Fit for a Western. Maybe.
RJOatmeal 1 year ago
Hahaha! No.
The melody Is in major,that alone makes it a bad fit from the get go.
shivercanada 2 years ago
Some parts of it sound more spy-like but defninitely not No. 6-like.
wilbermusicman 2 years ago
Sounds like the theme for a show where the characters from Dallas perform a corporate merger with the Beverly Hillbillies, who take in the Waltons as boarders, and open a Wild West theme park... all turned into a spoof done by The Young Ones.
klaatu42 2 years ago
@klaatu42 LMAO
Great synopsis of the show this travesty of a theme belonged to.
ryoushii 1 year ago
favorited lol gonna sample da sh8 outta dis
solreavir 2 years ago
You should listen to Ron Grainer's Omega Man score.
KnockoffNigeI 2 years ago
it wouldnt of worked
bigcountrygeorge 2 years ago 3
not at all!!!!
bdruckus 2 years ago
Guess this could have been a one episode use for Living in Harmony.
bc1969214 2 years ago 3
This is a beautiful piece, but, dang, I've never laughed so hard since the end of Dr. Strangelove. It's so incongruous! When Pat McGoohan pops out of the Lotus 7 I expected him to start singing "Zippity doo dah, Zippity ey! My, oh, my, what a wonderfull day!"
thecollector1138 2 years ago
When the music first started I half expected to see a map of the village with a hole burning through it.
enemyofbohemia 2 years ago 18
@enemyofbohemia I agree. I was waiting for John Wayne to come riding down the tunnel on a horse.
kurtb8474 1 year ago 2
HAHAHAHA
bdruckus 2 years ago
wow this is terrible...sounds like a cowboy theme tune!
bradshawvincent 2 years ago 16
yes, it's a disaster. thank god it didn't make it.
ineedathneed 2 years ago
@bradshawvincent That why it was REJECTED. I love the version that made it in the movie though.
jannikmeissner 3 months ago
Shows how close this show was to being a complete flop.
MalignantRacist 2 years ago
Wow. This is so wrong in so many ways. But, of course, Patrick "went through the wall" and got things squared away.
MrsSuratt 2 years ago
Sounds like a lead-in to a bad local TV news show.
ccie12933 2 years ago
if john williams were retarded this would be his score
CaptainRon0001 2 years ago
what do you mean IF John Williams were retarted? Haven't you heard his music?
ineedathneed 2 years ago
John Williams is an awesome composer with alot of power, and the way he writes music is brilliant, but I said (this sounds like John Williams if he were retarded) aka danny elfman.
CaptainRon0001 2 years ago
@CaptainRon0001 As my 17 year old just said aloud, John Williams is retarded. He is an excellent plagarist and that is all. As stated elsewhere, You are all sheep.
paullubliner 1 year ago
Yikes - this sounds like a western.
dididiabolik 2 years ago 2
lol o this is terrible
Bluebarb1 2 years ago
it sounds like a third rate theme of an AMERICAN spy show.the british were MUCH BETTER then that
gaygeezer1949 2 years ago
In a Lotus 7, you can actually go under those barriers...he was being very polite in taking a ticket considering he was resigning ;)
miliamince 2 years ago 2
Yes, I've actually done it.
paullubliner 2 years ago 2
Styreen is quite correct, the rest of you ARE ALL SHEEP!
paullubliner 2 years ago
It is sooooo 60s! It's exactly what you would expect from a typical second-rate detective/adventure t.v. series, which the composer probably thought he was writing it for. Problem is that the Prisoner wasn't a typical series and couldn't use typical music. "The Age of Elegance" fit perfectly.
galinneall 2 years ago 3
Ugh!
kurtb8474 2 years ago
thank fuck they didn't go with this one!
AlastairBallentyne 2 years ago
This was so "wrong".
The theme they ended up with was the best possible choice.
altfactor 2 years ago 2
Think this would have been better suited to a sort of Whicker's World-type travel show.
PoloniusBent 2 years ago
Yeeeeeehaw!! ride 'em Pat!
[ohghodthisisdross]
staberind 2 years ago
Had to turn this off. Sorry. Is this a joke?
gtrfinger 2 years ago 3
No joke, thanks for the comment.
Pmg6portmeirion 2 years ago 4
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SylvioGoncalves 1 year ago
Well it was shite music for the prog.........
th4397 2 years ago
I find it very boring. And that means a lot coming from me.
CaptainChirac 2 years ago
It does sound boring , too jolly too.
MissStranded 2 years ago
It has remnants of Holst's "The Planets" mixed with some kind of adventure theme, totally inappropriate. The composer should have been shot the day before he composed this rubbish.
TooleMan87 2 years ago
a bit harsh, perhaps?
npc223 2 years ago
I like the theme, but it's way off the mark for the tone of "The Prisoner."
felixjazzage 2 years ago
Sounds like a theme song to a British western
cravaloid 2 years ago 3
I agree, it's way more like a western theme than a spy/sci-fi theme.
tubian323 2 years ago
The theme seriously sucks, it would suit a down market porno Weston.
BicycleSeatSniffer 2 years ago
Good music, but not for this. It sounds like a Big Country Western theme, so not there. Ron Grainer is just dag good, there's no contest!
AnitaLife27 2 years ago 3
One for the spitoon !
ultraprobe96 2 years ago
good enough for bond. totally bad for the prisoner
obamadidit2008 2 years ago
Good theme, but totally wrong for The Prisoner. It's way too big: The theme overwhelms everything, including the opening visuals. It's not subtle at all. It definitely sounds like something out of "Blazing Saddles,""The Magnificent Seven," "Giant," or "Goldfinger" for that matter.
Again: This would work as a good theme for some other TV programme but it would have absolutely sucked as the theme for The Prisoner.
Be Seeing You!
solord 2 years ago 2
what the hell is this crap?
keithsmove 3 years ago
Not bad as a theme, but this "Big Country" not right for the Prisoner. May have worked for a modern military-type movie how about M-CIS besides something like The Wild, Wild West.
Ron Grainer's theme matched the mood, the tension, the atmosphere of the series, was truly inspired work! If this had been used, I don't believe the series would have been as popular, despite the excellent script work and performances.
51pogo 3 years ago
They made the right choice. This theme sucks big time! Sounds like the theme to a tv western.
Chiggs58th 3 years ago
OMG this theme is bad, really bad.
HellNight7 3 years ago
WHAT THE HELL IS THIS DALLAS CRAP!?!
This is supposed to be a slick, edgy, conspiracy thriller from the 60's not a high heeled, hoe down with shoulder pads...Robert Farnons hang your head in shame and return to your "incidental" music whence you came!!
I will now have to listen to the CHOSEN theme again to un-sully my ears...urgh!
siempra78 3 years ago
Yes it's truly awful! Try out my dubbing of Ron Grainer's original version onto the standard opening titles. It's interesting!
nickhirst999 3 years ago
UGGGGH
doesnt fit at all
brabon1 3 years ago
Interesting to think how successful the series would have been had this music been used.
It's good to be able to hear this just to know what could have been. Equally fun would have been to be able to see the reaction if this theme had indeed been used and the original theme were posted here as the alternative. Would an equal amount of people have reacted as negatively to it as they do now to this version merely because that would then have been the version they grew up with?
Kind regards.
styreen 3 years ago 3
Blazing Saddles?
FranZabich 3 years ago
I'm going to be quite honest with you and you can ridicule me all you want, but I liked it. I mean the music, the beat and all, but I agree that it wouldn't have worked as the theme song for that show. Neither would the second one work, although it's pretty good too.
jeprice08 3 years ago
Sounds a bit like the theme to "Ben Casey". I expected him to show up in the opening credits pushing a gurney into the O.R.
slappy6817 3 years ago
Boy, that has all the dread and foreboding of a cherry lollipop. Yeah, it is defifntely the Big Country theme. Talk about lack of imagination.
ryoushii 3 years ago
It failed when the Ponderosa wasn't outside the window.Then again,it failed when it started.
nrq9000 3 years ago
Thank God for Ron Grainer!!!
mikem2302 3 years ago 2
Yee haw! Who is Number One? HOSS CARTWRIGHT!
SoloPilot6 3 years ago
That's a really good, atmospheric track... but TOTALLY unsuitable!
As well as 'The Big Country', anyone else hear a bit of the Bond incidental music in there? (plays over the speedboat chase in 'From Russia with Love' and many other sequences.)
0bverse 3 years ago
Fascinating bit of history. Thanks for posting!
adminkoff 3 years ago
Eek! That might have worked on the Living in Harmony western episode, but for the TV series itself? I'm not a huge fan of the better known "first unusued theme" by Albert Elms, but it's infinitely better than this one!
saskabush2006 3 years ago
That would have been awful!
plusbabs 3 years ago
It would've been hilarious if they used this theme for Living in Harmony.
EdOscuro 3 years ago
I said to myself thats the music to Big Country! Then the editor said the same thing and I patted myself on the back, lol. Amazing how important a thing like music is to the success of a film, they did a great job with the theme music that was picked, it's awesome!
verbusen 3 years ago
Hit or Miss MISS
charlieboy7t5 3 years ago
Cowboy music? You have got to be kidding me...
geishasha 3 years ago