Wing Chun: Roundhouse drill

[SifuNikos]

Nice video...If you want see my wooden dummy too..

/watch?v=UkhyhZzxIlk

[gringolazlo]

so you are bong sauing into a kick? a poor tecnique imo.. block with tan supported by a wu sau.

[jtlangel]

cool video =)

[emulare11]

Bjj's theory seems to be that, although the most dangerous moves like eye-gouges etc. are removed, the remaining techniques can be practiced full force without significant fear of injury. This allows one to use his/her techniques against a semi-resisting opponent, so a "feel" for how to apply techniques is gained.

[emulare11]

The next point is that, in a fight, the bjj practitioner would ALSO be allowed to use "dirty" techniques, in addition to the bjj technique.

Also, Bjj has the potential to be much more merciful than many kick/punch arts.

Although I would never desire to use it on asphalt :(...

Also, sometimes a groundfight is unavoidable. In this case, I like the knowledge of how to move on the ground, shrimping and such...

[emulare11]

Finally, I personally would never rely on bjj alone. It, too, has its weaknesses, like being horrible against multiple opponents and the inherent risk of groundfighting on asphalt, pavement. etc. (which, again, may not be avoidable.) I have great respect for the traditional stand up arts like kung fu and Karate. I personally am going for my black belt in TKD in a few months, another maligned martial art that actually could turn my enemy's knees into dust if I wanted it too.

[prickett233]

pads are for pussy's.... when used you don't get the body conditioning and strengthening.

[Kcseales]

@prickett233 Why don't you try going to that school, don't wear pads, and throw a high or low roundhouse kick at them -HARD. Then when your leg is broken, tell me why they wear pads.

[1984WakeUp]

The way I am taught, we treat Wing Chun as concept-based, not technique based. I don't care what the opponent throws or when; my position and correct movement will arise and flow as needed, and I don't want to have to rely on a pre-programmed response/combination that I trained over and over again at school. Also, I wouldn't stay in the range to allow for a round-house. All the way in, or all the way out.

I'm not saying this video is wrong, just *seemingly* different from how I am taught.

[Wingchunkangaroo]

I am taught the same way. Let yourself be water and flow into the shape to fit any cup put in front of you.

[Kcseales]

@1984WakeUp Why don't you and @wingchunkangaroo meet up and throw really hard, really fast roundhouses at each other's head, then try your techniques. Then tell me if it works. -And don't hold back. Fighting is about trial and error. You don't even need each other, you both can just try it individually and tell me what happens. And I mean kick REALLY hard.

[1984WakeUp]

@Kcseales Why don't you grow up? I didn't say anything negative about the video. In fact, those few people around here like me who actually have a brain know that trying to interpret a two minute video without context is insane. All I was saying is, in my school, we do plenty of repetition, but we are conscious of the problems with 'memorizing' sequences and patterns for fighting. If you can't tolerate differences in our training, you may need a new hobby.

[Kcseales]

@1984WakeUp LOL, I was tolerating differences. I made a comment geared towards the two of you, because you two sounded similar in your approach to martial arts. And I was encouraging your differences. I said, "Fighting is about trial and error." Meaning, try your approach out, then tell me what happens. If you took that as me commenting negative, then you were mistaken. I, on the other hand, like to see people that REALLY train, and APPLY their art. Like I said, tell me what happens. :-)

[blackkingwhitebishop]

Good comment hulkout.. but if you develop soft power in the arm / forearms you wont hurt on contact like an untrained arm would. But i would say move in though all the same.. at the same time breaking down his range becoming effective all round.

[GuamKomudo]

Just to add what you said, wingchun dosent usually go force to force like it looks in this video. Most the blocks arnt "blocks" they are perrys, its not your energy fighting head on to their energy, its their big energy set off course by your small energy so their attack is sent off the center line. Then you can control the fight if you control the center line. =D

[azndude108]

whos the sifu

[hulkout666]

The best strategy is to move in when someone does a roundhouse kick. That way, you'll absorb the impact of his upper thigh and knee which will be nowhere near as powerful as his shin or instep. If you try to a hard block with the arms against someone's shins, you may very well get your arm broken or the kick will go right through your block.

[jon08ward]

if u were smart u would see that those blocks are actually strikes not hard blocks and yes ur right about moving in, but lets think dynamics and getting caught by suprise u will flinch, moving away instead of moving in, and everyone flinches i dont care who you are

[TheSenseofTouch]

Unfortunately, the kick would've done it's job before you can even step in.  Best thing is to either stay outside of kicking range or stay close inside where they cannot even raise their legs to kick you.

[odin2358]

You can slap/parry the kick with your palm/palm heel. It doesn't have to be boxing 'hit my arm not my body/head' blocking. Using your elbow directly is not a good idea. Parry, then strike the tibial nerve with the elbow. That's the Kali solution. But I prefer intercepting with a side kick to the grounded leg. They use that a lot in Jun Fan JKD and Kadochnikov Systema. It's always good to step forward, and rotate your body aswell, but that alone doesn't give them any reason to not do it again.

[GuamKomudo]

yes but all these MMA lovers dont belive sidekick to the knee is a real move because they havent learned it cause its agenst the rules of their sport... And we all know what the MMA guys say "If its not in MMA, it dosent work!" BS!!!! =(

MMA has done alot of good for martial arts, but also alot of bad, now anything agenst the rules, or basically nowdays anything but boxing and jujitsu are "fake"... No one in MMA even uses the sidekick... Its Bruce Lees favorit... IT WORKS!!!

[odin2358]

Yep. The stance MMA fighters use is obsolete in a real fight because it doesn't cover the groin. The problem is MMA now claims to be something it's not. I don't think it's done much good at all, except shift everyone from learning karate to everyone learning BJJ, which has virtually no street relevance at all. And because Royce won the first 4 UFC's everyone assumes BJJ is the best ground. Hardly so. Chivichyan's Sambo or Sakuraba's catch wrestling make the Gracie's look like a complete joke!

[packnsavenz]

@odin2358 have u been in a real fight to judge? BJJ is very practical in a real fight if it is one on one. Why else would the marines bother learning it? they are trained to fight in situations which may involve killing an opponent.

everyone is entitled to opinions but then there are facts. Fact is the Marine train in BJJ and they have seen and been in a lot more real fights than u. If its good enough for the marines its good enough for me.

[GuamKomudo]

They teach it because IF you get on the ground you use it, it's also not the same as MMA. Marines use the legit techniques found in old Samurai Jujitsu, not the lay on your opponent for 3 5 minute rounds making them tired then getting a submission or winning by decision by keeping dominant position the whole time. BJJ and Jujitsu are not the same, one is ring fighting, one is war fighting. And you don't WANT to be on the ground in war, it's just if you end up there, it's not a good place to be.

[packnsavenz]

@GuamKomudo Guess u haven't seen anderson silva fight then. he has used plenty of side kicks to the knee/leg region in MMA. Please do not judge when you have not done the proper research.

I fight mma and a big fan of side kicks.

[GuamKomudo]

I never saw Anderson use side kick =P

But I like Anderson because he uses traditional techniques when he fights, things no one uses and now they have become "Uneffective" and crap... Things like the snapping front kick like in Karate, Anderson uses that very well. But lets be honest, how many people in MMA use the sidekick, i'v had arguments with MMA fighters that the sidekick is a "flashy BS kick". Cung Le dude... Badass, the MMA gym in my town also teaches sidekick as a effective move.

[GuamKomudo]

Theres many different fighting styles in the world... Yours is correct, but so is everyone elses... if this didnt work, I think the Chinese would have noticed quite some time ago... Wing chun is used mostly by Chinese gangs in hongkong, its pretty much a proven style. Besides, if you train for fighting and not sport, you need to build up your body to take punishment so when you get cought in real life you can use your body as a weapon, like martial arts was made for...

[jon08ward]

good defense but the problem with their training is, is that they are basically stopping after the block. they need to slow it down do the block and follow up with multiple stricks and actually do them and make contact but do it slow and with control otherwish they are just training the block and not the offense which really is where it counts...

[dropduskdrop]

you dont go for the leg. dont block the leg, kick the center, this way won`t matter if it`s right or left side

[heckald]

i see 2 problems with the first drill

1: no way anybody is going to be able to block a kick like this without breaking their arms, because in real life that kick is gonna be full power, not telegraphed, and full speed.

2: im guessing this is training for a muay thai fighter, in the video it said it hurts the shin thats why they wear pads. well a muay thai fighters shins are just as hard if not harder than wing chun guy's for arms. and would most def break

i like the counter that was cool.

[metalmania7778]

Still its the elbow not the forearm

[zombievinnie]

The Wing Chun practitioner should be absorbing the force of the kick so it doesnt break their arms. It's a tricky thing to do and some of these techniques were a bit too high risk, but it is just a training drill used to develop basic principles of stopping attacks.

Also the shin pads have to be worn because the technique is being done over and over again and eventually you are bound to mess up and hit the kickers shin with your elbow which can really hurt

[Renderclippur]

Continue keeping these elbows high guys, good work... shows the quality of value from this video.

[UniversalExpert]

They block, then counter. Should'nt they advance block/strike at once?!

[koobl0]

well if u stop the kick early from gaining the momentum to its fullest speed then your good, then you can counter it with your elbow to the shin which hella hurts if ur bony, or you can grab it and sweep the other leg and deal a series of wing chun punches, hypothetically of what i think i just wrote HYPOTHETICALLY BUT I DIDN"T SAY IT FOREAL SO DON"T HATE, i think if u use that on a tae kwan do person they would be done for honestly.

[hobbesthecat7]

thats why you dont kick that way.... and i would never block a kick like that either

[cprimer]

This is some funny looking Wing Chun. Where's the snake and crane, where's the elusiveness endemic to most kung fu. This looks like amateur kick boxing drills.

[Nunny234]

y is everything compared to ring fighting remember ring has rules war does not!!!!!

[marcusorilius]

Don't be silly! No rules? Then I would just use a gun.

[Cr3581]

i would love to see how this works in a cage or a ring,that id love to see

[slapbass04]

I would to, but a lot of the strikes (so I've heard, I really want to learn this art) involve vital point striking like an elbow to the base of the skull. That's not allowed in a MMA match or most sport rings.

[womblewandering]

If you want to learn brutal striking art then its muay thai hands down. The traditional mauy thai ring fights allow elbows but mma disallows it. But yet......muay thai is still the most popular in mma. Why? cos its effective.

Muay thai is actually a watered down version of muay boran whcih is what thai army uses but its the same thing really.

You will learn devastating elbow and knee strikes here my friend. But hey, your choice. Any martial art is useful anyway. :)

[marcusorilius]

"mauy thai ring fights allow elbows but mma disallows it"

What MMA are you watching? Elbows are allowed. I agree Mauy Thai is a great striking Martial Art.

[womblewandering]

I watch a japanese tournament called HEROS. They disallow elbows.

In 2005, remigijus morkevicius of lithuania threw an elbow to hiroyuki takaya of japan and got a yellow card for it.

I know UFC allows it though right?

[marcusorilius]

Too bad - elbows are a main weapon in fighting. Most MMA tournaments in North America allow elbows - as long as you don't use the point of the elbow in a downward motion (don't ask me why that is so different than an elbow from the side that they disallow it).

Does HEROS allow using your feet/knees on an opponent who has at least one knee touching the ground?

[womblewandering]

"Does HEROS allow using your feet/knees on an opponent who has at least one knee touching the ground?"

I think heros does allow that yeah. The fights are so violent and messy so sometimes im not so sure of the rules.

But the ones i am sure of are "no elbows". And of course the other areas like ball kicking and hitting back of the head etc.

[heckald]

i think they dont allow downward because its so much force on a single point. think of your elbow being a knife. and the elbow attacking downwards its like the tip. where as the side swipe more like a slash. a slash is much less deadly than the the tip stabbing into you.

also the small elbow point can be hit on the meridian very dangerous. accidentally on the spine or neck. and i bet you would surely break ribs if used as a regular tool.

[marcusorilius]

Nah, Muay Thai fighters use all points of the elbow all the time. Deadly? How many Muay Thai fighters drop dead in the ring? Or break their ribs from elbows? Not allowing elbows is just another ignorant rule that limits the value of a martial arts fight.

[heckald]

its deadly in mma. thats what i meant to say. if your on the ground and someone drives the point into your temple or ribs. standing up elbows arent an issue. on the ground it is.

[marcusorilius]

Deadly? That means it would KILL someone... in all the MMA fights that allow elbows - how many people have died? Zero. Save the "deadly" for the movies.

[heckald]

i didnt say deadly. i said dangerous. dont twist my words.

[marcusorilius]

"its deadly in mma" "i didnt say deadly"

Okay...???

[heckald]

i was speaking deadly as an exaggeration for one thing. and 2 i was comparing it to a knife so yea a knife is deadly. and elbow is dangerous

[marcusorilius]

I agree, an elbow is dangerous... so are all the other types of strikes. This is fighting, not soccer! I say like them elbow, head butt and kick on the ground.

[witegetobro]

This is really good, I like wing chun but it has problems. From blocking the kick i would go into clinch-body lock-takedown-submission. What does wing chun teach for when you clinch?

[wizardaim]

I dont know as I havent started with Wing Chun yet. But why practice just one martial art? Why not try and combind it with some other moves from other martial art to make up for the problems.

And yeah! I dont know much about wing chun so there might be many ways to counter from what you asked.

[sacriel42]

gouge the person eye out while they hug you.

[csaba246]

knee to the groin if hands free than fingers in opponents eyes push back so that his throat is exposed than elbow to his throat...or if hands free and life and death situitaion than grab his adams apple(windpipe) and pull....his lungs are going to be filled with his own blood...I hearded there is no painfuller death than that......anyway I pratcice wing tsun they taught me no deffence against a clinch these are just a few things I would think of the second with the training I got (6-7 months?)

[ben95619]

Nice drills!

[puluking1579]

I use to train in Choy lai fut, and we had similar blocks for kicks. I did it for 5 years and conditioned my forearms with conditioning drills. I now take Muay Thai and seeing how they kick. I don't think those blocks will work against a Muay Thai fighter.  It's just a matter of physics, but I think it will definitely work against your everyday thug.

[wingchunclub]

This looks like a lot of fun. aloha from Hawaii SifuZ

[secretagentman2007]

Actually this drill looks identical to what we do in VA Beach with Sifu Gorden Lu.

[jkdsi]

i study jkd with a heavy emphasis on the wing chun core, i've trained roundhouse kicks and boxing style punches and find them effective however when i've had to defend myself i ALWAYS fall back on wing chun it is just too useful for real life self defense the sticking hands confuse most opponents and seem to put them on the defensive.

[normski262]

You are so right man! In the real world, using Wing Chun, it's over in about 4 seconds, the other guys finished!

[clementchew]

This doesn't look like wing chun at all. I mean the forms are right and all, but coming from a person who just started wing chun, isn't one of the principles "never fight force with force"?

the guys meet the roundhouse full-on! No grief or anything of course.

[JACUTARN]

I can tell you havnt been doing it that long.

Gan sao for instance is exactly the same.Its very painfull for the attacker and dosnt require much force.

[HayatoFernandes]

Guys Go Watch the movie IP MAN its so damn nice i just watch it My Favourite Movie !

[shiifu]

Verry Good my friend. Thats one of the best training methods, not buy dummy or by chi sao. but sparring, that will give you the mind of a warrior. // Sifu

[TenTigers]

the kwun-sao works against the shins because the force is absorbed by the ulna and radius bones together, combined with the springyness of the elbows. That, and the factthat they are not standing there taking the shot, they are attacking the attack.Your shins get the worst of it. Notice-they are wearing shin guards, not arm guards.

[wingchundragon]

good stuff

[rajg111]

Anyone with real power on a roundhouse will snap your forearm with one. Also, you can set up or low kicks with a feight from a cross or low kicks so you are not going to know which area the kick is thrown the head or leg. Its best to roll or check a roundhouse to limit the dmg to yourself

[nabapoisu]

"Anyone with real power on a roundhouse will snap your forearm with one."

Not arguing, but that's why u have to harden your forearm bones so they won't break. Practically it is possible that opponent will break his leg bone to your forearm if he has not trained his bones but you have.

But in general cases, what you say is true.

Peace!

[TAKENnameARGH]

The kicks so slow I took a nap, a shower and ate breakfast before he got his leg up.

[guiltybystander77]

mebe they start slow to get the reflex

whatever, ill stick to tkd

[nirpal24]

well...there only training...and you have to train in progression...so theres no point starting with really fast kicks if you cant deal with the slower ones

[DrewNZ]

The correct idea is to use two forearms to block the high kick, that with the turning force of the forearm is enough to send force back to the opponent. Also stepping towards the kick however little will lessen the kicks potential force. In UFC high kicks are blocked with just one guard hand/arm covering the head all the time and in fighting youd only notice the pain after......so not sure why people think its such a problem...its done often and by other styles.....

[spartanwarrior1]

never meet a kick with a block using my hands. to defend against a low roundhouse, just raise your front leg to intercept it followed by a straight low-line kick towards the opponent`s standing leg.

always kick straightforward for the shortest distance between 2 points is a straight line.

[InfernoDrag0n]

if kicking stra8 is the shortest and fastest way to land a kick then why do ppl use roundhouses and other types of kicks?

[spartanwarrior1]

if kicking stra8 is the shortest and fastest way to land a kick then why do ppl use roundhouses and other types of kicks

hmmmm, because they don`t practice wing chun or baji? they mainly use brute force instead of fighting in a smart and logical way.

[isl04033222]

Or mabey roundhouse kicks are more powerfull and faster (in the repeating sence), if the shins are properly conditioned, it is extrimly difficult to defend with hands or legs.

[spartanwarrior1]

I fully agree with isl04033222.

It`s quite difficult to block a roundhouse but not impossible.Ì`d rather step in to minimize the distance between me and my adversary ,thus, intercepting by using alow-line kick to the standing leg.

[spartanwarrior1]

if kicking stra8 is the shortest and fastest way to land a kick then why do ppl use roundhouses and other types of kicks?

Because it`s what they were taught?

[SeijiiNakamaru]

Kicking straight as in the stomping kind? They're the easiest to catch.

Roundhouses are a little harder to catch, and they can give out more power than a forward thrust.

[teamAmerica07]

colliding legs is the shits. it will hurt like hell.

see steven lopez. wtf tkd athlete he does that to hurt his opponents

[zenny88]

I would say that a hit on the shin hurts much more than in the elbow....and Jmc..I don't complatly understand you, but from what I understood, it seems you have no knowledge of MA's

[JMcGee07]

I'm on about the little weird punches white threw after red blocked the roundhouse. ANYWAY before someone argues with me YEH YEH Wing Chun is a good Martial Art, Martial Arts are good an all that

[JMcGee07]

Yeh coz on the streets people WOULD give you little Kung Fu backhands for you to nicely block, pfft

[zenny88]

moomsallah:

This block doesn't use the elbow ,but the upper forearms,and other parts of the forearms,and the help of your palm...and , the guy that is hitting would get much more pain to his shin than the guy that is blocking to his elbows (though the block doesn't really use the elbow..

[MrWykes]

Erm shins win over elbows every time, conditioned or not.

[zenny88]

hahahaha.....you're saying that for master Lee's , demonstrations her? ...damn man, why do you got to be so much of a ignorant person to say something like that...the man's got skils,real skills,believe me ....maybe he didn't really show it here ,but he's a true sifu

[moomsallah]

OK - this looks awesome. I have one question, and I am not being facetious .... in the 'real world' without padding, aren't they both going to get some serious pain when elbow 1 contacts shin 2? I can't imagine how the elbow guy isn't going to get hurt. I know that elbows are tough and can be trained to break wood (have done myself) but I can't imagine hitting a moving shin bone and not taking some damage - please comment

[drutano]

I'd like to them block full power muay thai kick with their forearms.

[nabinnyc]

Hi drutano... the coverage provided by kwon sau in this application is focusing on the elbow of the bong sau arm. If applied incorrectly, a round house kick to the forearms is going to end up getting you hurt, no question.

and re: the "exaggerated sounds", Tom, that's what happens when those sections of the video are played back in slo mo. :) no sound effects! Thanks for the comments, all.

[jowmysteri]

dru, as mentioned in the preface there are other techniques that can be used for defending against the roundhouse kick. if someone is jus using a quick snap kick, this is not a bad reflex to use to learn to cover that area. a muay thai roundkick might call for a "kwan geurk" instead, but u better hope the WC guy has a weak stomp kick when it comes crashing down on the standing leg. i've taken full-power muay thai kicks like that. it's really not that big of a deal to be honest.

[vforcesfc]

Not a bad drill, the only thing I would take its place is a stop kick instead of yap or bong gerk....On the street shin to shin will really hurt both of you and there is no denying that if so, there would be NO PROTECTION....

[Tom220678]

whats all the exageggrated sounds about dude?

[AAAhmed46]

Usually im pretty negative toward wing chun.

But these guys, from what ive seen are much better then alot.

Infact, the fact they use thier elbows to block is more progressive then alot of wing chun.

Other _ing _un systems would try to trap or challenge it with thier hands.

Personally, i would not try to block it like that, but what these guys are doing isn't exactly wrong either.

[itzjaggz]

im not gonna waste my time arguing like morons. i'll just demonstrate what i know through san shou actions during confrontations. see who comes out on top ;]

[grewgryl]

there is alot of misunderstanding about the martial arts, its styles applictions and practices. Even amongst artist who have practiced for years. a style is only as good as the person using it. If you have an idiot learning the most deadliest style in the world they would get beat by someone who is more skilled, intelligent and willing to go that extra step to win.

It all depends on the fighter and how well trained he/she is in a circumstance.

[silimtao]

Ditto that, grew. I've been saying that for over 30 yrs. I don't waste my time debating "my art is better than yours".

[ATiRAGEPRO]

"If you have to think of which tecnique to use, it's too late..."

Uber wisdom.

[InTheFloyd]

Very much so.

[JokeDeity2]

True that yo. True that.

[shlongery]

Question: apart from Kwun Sao, can we use a High & Low Gaan Sao to block a roundhouse kick? In Sanshou, they have a technique for catching a roundhouse kick which is similar to High & Low Gaan Sao (but the palms pointing to opposite directions). I think they use similar principles.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v­=055ZVThS-oE

[aznbryanc]

from what my sifu told me, and personal experience, i would say that kwun sao is a much safer way to handle a roundhouse kick, especially if the person kicking is trained in TKD or kickboxing.

of course, i'm only a beginner in wing chun, and there are many other ways to handle RH kicks in wc, i just don't know them yet. ;D

[silimtao]

The high/low gaan against roundhouse isn't a great idea because with the gaan, you use the blades of your forearms, so more potential to hurt yourself. Generally, gaans, are used to chop and hurt. I've used a low gaan against a low kick, but I'm chopping the calf rather than the shin. Same with roundhouse punch- shift, high gaan, hurts like hell for the puncher.

[ATiRAGEPRO]

He is a very good teacher. He actualy has a talent for teaching. :)

PS:: most of The Muay Thai Practitioners are the most arrogant, not Teakwondo people. Almost 90% of all Youtube videos of Gung Fu, there is always at least ONE OR TWO retards saying "Muay Thai would Kill that chink martial Arts dance". >_>

Any martial Art's effectiveness depends on the person using it, so there is no such thing as the "Best style". Period.

[Hisashi0080]

absolutely agree with you, there is no best style. That kind of philosophy only exists in the minds of those who are arrogant. Like you say, there are a lot of muay thai practitioners that are arrogant, as well as most "ring art" practitioners.

[DanaWhite0]

Probably because we're the only one actually fighting? Unlike you dumb larpers and sinophiles,who only dances and sit down agreeing about everything and how martial arts are all about philosophy. If it just "depended on the person using it", we would see more _ing _un praticioners in tournaments wouldn't we?But we don't, and don't tell me that bullcrap on wing chun is too deadly for the ring,just another excuse for you fags to not sparr or train alively.This teacher seems to be decent tho.

[shlongery]

It seems that it is you who don't understand what Martial Arts is about. WC isn't "too deadly for the ring". It it the ring doesn't allow techniques that is too dangerous. And why striking the eye, breaking someone's windpipe was never used by those so called good styles used in tournaments(even the so called NHB bullshit)??

[shlongery]

Martial Arts is about fighting and winning by whatever means. It isn't about scoring points or KO the opponents base on the RULES ALLOWED by the tournaments. Don't tell me the bullcrap that striking the eyes is not a good technique so that it was never considered by those so-called "top fighters" in the tournaments.

[JamieHorror]

Striking to the eyes is a technique in MMA, you're just not allowed to use it in sanctioned fights. If I was in a street fight with someone, I wouldn't wait for them to tap out, I'd kick them in the back of their spine so they couldn't walk.

And Martial Arts isn't about fighting and winning by whatever means necessary. As the saying goes, "The best Martial Artist is the one that never has to fight". It's there if there's no other option. It's a self-defense art.

[choyadavis]

"alively"?

[cmarcallen]

Wing Chun is awesome