This is alright but one point i must make is if god is god would he not be bound to our laws. I mean when we create a computer game we are not bound to that world laws. So why would god be bound to our laws?
Asking who created God is one of the most idiotic attempts to disprove any form of Creationism and is a simple strawman tactic.
IF God exists in the fashion outlined by the Bible or any other monotheistic religious text then there is no need to determine origin. WHATEVER force created the universe had to, by proxy, be outside of it. Therefore, we have no idea what laws governed the origin force and can make no inference as to its limitations. To say that God was created is asinine.
He is not created; He is eternal. He is the One who brought time, space, and matter into existence. Since the concept of causality deals with space, time, and matter, and since God is the one who brought space, time, and matter into existence, the concept of causality does not apply to God since it is something related to the reality of space, time, and matter. Since God is before space, time, and matter, the issue of causality does not apply to Him.
Ah, the argument by definition. Causality doesn't apply to god because God, by definition, didn't have a cause, is that your argument? You don't recognize this as circular reasoning?
OK. Any logical argument which concludes that the Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn't exist is inherently invalid because the Flying Spaghetti Monster is, by definition, not subject to logic.
@panosfye Exactly.because humans want god to look ''human'' and not alien or scary or something non-human because humans are afraid of things that do not appear human
an atom does not exist as matter unless it is being observed it exists as wave form soread out over a large area as a probabilitie and only acts as a particle when observed by consciousness, why is this scary?
because they know that consciousness must be a factor in the univereses creation, the observer
I hate it when stupid Christians say, "well, if god doesn't exist ... explain how the universe was made? Where did everything come from then?"
How the fuck do I know. But just because something is unknown doesn't mean I'll just say an invisible man made everything just to feel cozy that I have an answer. That's not how science works.
@lesliekwan80 same goes for atheism when they asked how God was created. if christians don't know the answer, then why athesim said that God don't exist as a final answer, just because christians can't answer the question? pathetic. plus, i hate it when stupid atheism ask so many pointless questions. christians are not perfect. atheism are not perfect. we are not "know-it-all" people. if you atheism still thinks we are, then you are moron.
@TranceEternality Yeah, that whole "asking questions" thing is so over rated. Why can't people just believe and accept things without asking questions about stuff all the time?
@rrpostalagain Because "Just believe and accept things without asking questions" is the indoctrinated brainless fucktard way. Maybe you like being blissfully ignorant and willing to accept whatever your church wants you to think. You are the perfect sheeple. Now run along and blindly follow your faith off a fucking cliff, ya lemming jackass.
@TranceEternality Wanna know how god was created? The Flying Spaghetti Monster roofied his mom and raped her vaccuumous cunt till she got impregnated by the Magic Pasta Sperm. Fuck religion. It's nothing more than zombiefication and mass mind control. You are proof of that, you indoctrinated fucking anal douche. Want a pointless question? How the fuck did you survive being a Prom Night Dumpster Baby?
That's true. We don't know. Atheists don't claim that they do. Theists, however, DO claim special knowledge that is impossible to have. To claim that you know is arrogant. To REJECT such a claim is NOT arrogant, nor is it a claim itself, nor does anyone who rejects such a claim need to prove a negative. The onus to provide evidence falls on the one making a claim that has no existing evidence, not on the one rejecting such a claim.
Where did the matter come from ? There is a hypothesis expounded by Lawrence Krauss and others that the sum total of energy in the universe is zero. The sum of the positive energy (e=mc^2, light, etc ect) is equal to the gravitational energy of the universe (negative energy). The maths is beyond me ! Way beyond. There is a lecture by Lawrence on youtube which deals with this.
GOD doesnt care about the laws of physics these are man made and god is present every where examplifying that air exist but we cannot see it but it exists so that means there is no air buullshit... we only feel its presence like GOD.
@MattyG676 so can you tell what colour it has cause i have never seen its colour nor i have observed it i have just felt it only like GOD ahah ill give you an example just say for a moment a person is taking pills for sleeping kk its right it makes the person to sleep but at seeing those pills you will not see the sleep itself its just apill nothing else do you see butter in the milk do you see fire in the body do you see soil in the body do you see the feelings soul can you tell me....plss
@azo9374 The Laws of Physics are not man-made. They have come about through observation by scientists but, they are not man-made. Newton did not make gravity, he observed it's effects.
I agree, though there are some semantics issues I have with what you said. For instance, the "laws" of physics ARE man-made, but they describe phenomena which are NOT man-made, as you suggest. "Gravity", however, is not a law of physics, but a phenomena. It is these kinds of phenomena which scientists are trying to explain and codify with laws of physics. For instance, the laws of motion are were create by Newton to explain his observations of phenomena, including gravity.
@imsmenoo ok sir i appreciate that i have one question can you tell from where this dust cloud came which has been the main criteria of big bang theory as per by the most intelligent scientists okk leave it how it came from nothing ok leave it energy can neither be created nor be destroyd einstein k leave it in this sence einstein has given the definetion of GOD it has no shape no colour no personality k can you tell me how something came from nothing
@azo9374 No, I cannot not tell you where this cloud of energy and matter came from. Honestly, I'm agnostic and so I am well aware that I do not know the answer to where the entirety of existence. However, to state the first law of thermodynamics and say that is what God is troublesome. The reason being that you cannot use physics to explain a being that defies physics. It makes no sense to me. In reality, no one has the answer to this great question. If they did there would be no debate
The second principle of thermodynamics, entropy or the decline of thermal energy, teaches us that although we cannot fix a date for the appearance of the world, the world certainly did have a beginning. The heat in the world is gradually decreasing and falling, like a piece of molten iron that gradually diffuses its heat in the air until finally the heat of the iron will be identical with that of the objects and the air surrounding it.
@azo9374 ths for your regard but im not explaining GOD in the sense of of physics but im only explaining the definetion of GOD through this no birth no death afterall we ll be seeing the fate in the end but its better to trust the thing {say not GOD} that has so much of historic eligible history rather then denying as there is no evidence to disapprove GOD so i think to be at one end is rather more good than agnostic cause a person standing on two boats is adamant to be in the ocean
If not speculation, theory, or conjecture, what should I be contributing? Should I be like you and contribute insults and criticism? I'm not claiming to be great, nor am I claiming anything about myself at all. I evaluate ideas and speak my mind about them. That is not, nor was it ever intended to be a claim of greatness.
First off, I haven't had a pizza in months, but your post made me just order one. It will be delicious.
Second, the fact that you would accuse me of being bitter inside the same sentence as you calling me a "Bitch" (in quotes? really? wtf?) is a tad bit "hypocritical".
Third, which of the many answers in my posts and videos are you having the most difficulty understanding?
Forth, this comment had nothing to do with mine and you did not address any of the points I raised.
I understand. What you are saying is that you don't actually exist - my mind created you. In fact, my mind created space-time. The flying spaghetti monster has warm yellow socks made of water.
Its fun to make claims that have absolutely no empirical backing, falsifiability, or sense, isn't it?
A mind can only create and perform these things. Matter or a combination thereof cannot, gases cannot, heat sources cannot …fuel/energy itself cannot. Sure they produce some sort of effect but they cannot create a Being !!! Especially one that has an intelligent brain himself.
Whatever is created be it complex or simple : if that creation itself carries with it these elements: accuracy, order, functionality (purpose), information, balanced coordination, and fine tuning…amongst other things I could point out
All these entail some form of intellectual understanding as to how it works and what it will used for – Esp. when used in conjunction with other interacting creations. i.e.- sun – light- tree – oxygen – human nose – breathing!
And even before you can put all this universal system/arrangement to work you would need to ALREADY have some form of intelligence or understanding – mathematics, symmetry, physics, graphic design, biology, info/data processing etc to make it work wouldn’t you ?
So you see dude, you have to have some form of a MIND to actually do these things. Cause a mind is only the thing that carries UNDERSTANDING or knowledge.
Can my mind do this ? Well since I’m not God, No I can’t. In case you didn’t already know God gave us a limited mind in comparison to his. But my mind can certainly create things – both simple or complex that ARE products of intelligence. And if can do this than God certainly can too.
I agree complexity for complexity sake can exist without bearing any intelligence – i.e. random collection of street garbage becoming a little mountain of garbage.
However, you are missing the point when it comes to the CREATION of the UNIVERSE and HUMAN existence. This complex creation carries with it all the above mentioned elements which again can also be featured in non complex or simple creations : and are definite products of an intelligent MIND.
Parents do not design their children - they have sex and a baby is born. The process of sexual reproduction is what creates intelligent minds. They are not "designed" in any way. Does god need to intervene every time a child is born?
You are just declaring by fiat that no natural process can create a human being, but there are mountains of evidence supporting just that - evolution.
See my video "the best argument for god's existence - destroyed" for more.
Now I agree folks, this ? is indeed interesting and certainly fascinating for one’s curiosity, but I also know this : not having the answer for who created god does not change my mind as to his existence. For anything that has a creation which has : accuracy, multi-functionality, order, information, balanced intricacy and universal coordination/control and fine tuning, all this can only stem from an intelligent MIND.
So until that happens you can put that ? on hold. Perhaps he will reveal that once we face him after death….or perhaps he will never tell us ? it may be his only one personal secret.
Well in that case we who believe in god ? are also entitled to say the same thing and we too can also “Wait for the evidence or for God himself to tell us the answer of who created him.
When I ask atheists who/what created the universe ? They say flat out – I honestly don’t know. “ I wasn’t there to see it… you are asking me an unfairly burdensome ? If I can’t even see what was created from the start then I can’t begin to analyze or attribute any property to its creator”
Who/what created your god ? Hmmmm, well unless I or anyone else on this planet was there at the beginning some xxxx millions of years ago to witness that “creation of the creator” similar to the creation of the universe - then can we have some sort accurate answer.
i seriously just said this ecaxt thing in another comment today, that for the universe to have a beginning there must have been stuff/energy there first to build it with, so the question isnt so much when did our uiniverse begin but more like what was there before this "version?" of our universe came into being. either the universe has always been here and only changes or the laws of physics are wrong
You make a good point but omnipotence is not a contradictory trait. You said in your video that cause and effect requires energy. Cause and effect can only happen with matter and time right?
We only know of cause and effect happening with matter/energy and space/time, but all that is required is a dynamic. Space-time is the only dynamic we know of since that is our universe, but as you approach the singularity, the fabric of space-time becomes alien, and creates a limit of our understanding, past which may be dynamics that are counter-intuitive.
Not exactly. VenomFangX is saying "God exists, and this argument is undeniable proof".
I said "Actually, not it isn't. In fact, here is proof that your argument is invalid."
You're right that this argument itself doesn't disprove God. God is disproven when you start to define him with self-contradictory attributes like omnipotence. As long as you don't define what God is, however, it is impossible to disprove that "he" exists.
I know religion is not the answr neither is science. But because of personal experience with no desire of seeing what I saw it was good enough to know that god existed.. ive been on both paths. I got a BH and come from a religious family but I never attribute anything to my diploma or to my parents, But to my personal experience. I understand you not believing but trust me some day you will encounter. All human beings do ..
like i said before we will never end if we keep going on extending the subject to different areas but in the same common ground, I would like to be able to go into detail in some specific points that are not based on religion or science but based on true facts. I know you would try to give me scientific explanation to those things but the truth is not in science. Science is limited .to b able to understand it you would have to believe God
He will torture me in hell if I don't believe in ridiculous fairy tales, but he "loves" me? How is this statement not completely insane? Seriously, how can I possibly take anyone seriously if they say this?
@somecomputergeek First of all, stop stealing lines from George Carlin! Secondly, I don't think the Bible means one will be literally tortured with fire and whips for eternity. It's saying that one can metaphysically choose to reject (through action) God and this in turn becomes a self-created hell. As the kingdom of heaven is within you, so is hell.
...but other's do, and have for hundreds of years. That's the problem, isn't it? When you accept, as true, something which can not possibly be objectively verified or falsified, all you have is opinion, interpretation, and an endless series of ridiculous dogma.
I agree that you can create your own "self-created hell", but it has nothing to do with belief in a wizard from another dimension. It has to do with the VIRTUE of your ACTIONS, but death ends this.
@somecomputergeekThere are many other things which we take to be true which cannot objectively be verified. 1. logical and mathematical truths cannot be proven by science. 2. that there are other minds other than your own, or that the external world is real. 3. ethical beliefs cannot be proven by science. You cannot prove through science that the Nazi scientists did anything evil compared to the scientists in Western democracy. 4. Aesthetic judgments. 5. you cannot prove science with science.
that is why i asked why can noone prove that he doesnt exist.. how many times hav you change your mind and looked for him in stead of trying to prove he doesnt exist
I don't think I've ever tried to prove that God doesn't exist. I also haven't tried to prove that werewolves don't exist, or vampires, or any other mythical being. I simply don't believe that they exist.
If somebody (such as you) attempts to prove that they DO exist, I will evaluate the argument and evidence and reject if they are fallacious or accept them if they are compelling, but you can't really prove the non-existence of something.
if i believe that china doesnt exist . that doesnt change anything . even if you took me to china and showed me i would argue back and make myself not believ. thats what your position is, i dont expect anyone to become a believer from an arguement..
i dont believe that china doesnt exist . that doesnt change anything . even if you took me to china and showed me i would argue back and make myself not believ. thats what your position is, i dont expect anyone to become a believer from an arguement..
If I said that Atlantis exists, and you didn't believe me, taking a dive down to the city with a giant sign that says "welcome to Atlantis" would be evidence that it exists. It is physical, empirical evidence, which would have to be explained. This is not an "argument", but actual evidence.
Where is the evidence for the existence of God? You have not taken me to God, nor can you, because God doesn't exist like China does.
exactly .. that why i never expected you to believ because of that man made phrase that scientists that came up with in a controlled lab. like i said if you can explain it than its true but if you cant than its not real. i understand that. but it doesnt change the facts that the bible was written in 10000 years of difference by different man from diferent backgrounds and it doesnt contradict it self. but science does.Alot, like evolution.and Theories not facts
Just because you use endless mental acrobatics to get yourself to believe that the Bible doesn't contradict itself doesn't mean that the Bible doesn't actually contradict itself. When somebody shows you two scriptures that clearly contradict each other, there are no end to apologetics and excuses that will "explain" this contradiction in a way that allows true believers to keep believing the contradiction doesn't exist.
words do have a meaning for example catholic means universal church. christian means believ in jesus christ..scientist means that you study science but it doesnt mean atheist..you can be all three and believe in god but you can not be one of those and think your right. thats why we go by the bible. if it says that praising just jesus and not god is bad than it is. if it says that you dont believe in jesus or god than it is
a christian is called a christian because they believ in jesus , therefore most jews arenot christians but they believe in god. i personally dont applaud to what roman and greek catholics did to the world. but the answer would never be found in another mans word or belief only through your own personal experience
And if that personal experience leads one to the inescapable conclusion that Gods and angels and demons and devils, etc... don't exist? What can be accepted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
thats why no true christian call him self religious because religion is man made by what they belief. such as buddhism and muslims exc..but when you lived and experienced something thats the truth..for example time exists because we see its effects in nature. so in order for us to move according to it time we build an instrument called clock.but it doesnt mean we can controll it. old civilizations saw things that now days we dont anymore so they built temples and personified them built statues
The word "christianity" is a sub-set of the word "religion". I realize you don't WANT to be lumped in with all the crazyness that is religion (I wouldn't want to be, either), but as long as you call yourself "Christian", you are, de-facto, calling yourself "religious". To deny this is to redefine the words we are using to the point where words have no meaning.
and if you didnt know traveling in time is possible the bible proves it over and over. acording to string theory is possible ,the triangle of bermuda, hitler ,world war 2,twin towers,that movie 300, all the biggest events in history are coded in it, even fake preachers pastors and fake religions.. all the biggest civilizations proved that there are supreme beings ,but i know you call them crazy. i know that no matter what you wont believe. God bless you .good night
This comment is a mess of random statements, multiple extraordinary claims without any attempt to substantiate them, and a pre-emptive justification for not bothering to provide any evidence because "no matter what" I won't believe.
That's not true. I WILL believe if I have real, compelling reasons to, but my standards for evidence that I will accept are high enough to weed out nonsense.
the Bible can also explain the missing day of february.. you scientist can not.. and it can also explain why scientists and astrophysicists will never find the cause of their own existance.. while ME and millions of christians know all this facts. all you do is curse at them on youtube because you think you can intimidate.lol.
What does February have to do with science? The months have their origin in ancient astronomy. Since the Bible also has origins in ancient superstitions, yes, the Bible may explain some things about the modern calendar. That doesn't mean those ancient superstitions are correct.
Stating that an invisible being in another dimension is the cause of our existence is not the same thing as having a real answer.
explain the following. how come an old book like the bible can explain why now days scientists find ocean fossils on top of a mountain caused by the flood at least 10000 years ago. and how the bible explain the numerous lands that were left under water and now days you looking for the so called ATLANTIS.. the bible talks about giants coming from mixed races and now days with all technology you dont have a clue how the pyramids and stone henge was built thousans of years ago..
Where does the Bible explain any fossils? The fossils found on mountain tops are not just "ocean fossils", they are fossils of organisms that no longer exist. Despite what you might think, the flood story does not explain the fossils we find -- not by a long shot. Atlantis? Just as mythical as Noah's flood.
Giants built the pyramids? watch?v=lasCXujNPfs
Just because you're ignorant of these subjects doesn't mean everyone else is.
you make no sense ... why would an empire like the romans kill christ and than impose christianity after killing the christians.. can you explain that better and clear
When Christians were a minority, they caused waves, and threatened the status quo. At that time, they were dangerous to the establishment. When Christiantity because so popular that it BECAME the status quo, the roman empire had to adapt in order to keep their power.
dont you think i know my history and physics and math and all the subjects you know about..explain why didnt the romans implied force to make the whole world athiest.
Its easier to control people with mythology than it is with brute force, and the powers that be just want money and power - atheism doesn't provide them with that, but religion - a bunch of people obeying a centralized clergy class, on the other hand, makes it easy to control people.
Science do believe in parallel universes and so do i. there are more dimensions than what we live in, for example time is its own dimension(4Th),time can not be seen touched or altered because is not physical.But we do see its manifestation in life. We grow get old and we build machines to measure it and keep track of it. time is one proof that there is more than what human can see.every culture in human existance built what they believed in and personified it. like The mayans, greeks,romans,exc
our bodies are like a computer nothing but a big machine. but lets not forget it needs the software for it to actually do its job. if i kill my self its like erasing the sofware. no matter how much you beat my heart to start pumping blood or no matter how much blood i put back in my body i wouldnt come back to life. Software is nonphysical . just like our emotions. you dont feel love or hate in a physical part of your body you just feel it its not real, there is something more than a body
hello. i like this subjects, i actually open an account just o post my comment.. The difference between christians and all other religions, sects and cults is that jesus made sure he was known by everyone even those that didnt belief in him. for 2000 years atheist, christians, budhist and every man on earth is guided by the bigest event that changed history. Bc/Ad..buddah, satanism,mohamed, atheists, not even science has ever had an event so big to actually start a calendar for all to follow
@TheMrjoecast no you moron, it was imposed, forced in thanks to roman empire, obviously Christians, who controlled biggest part of world civilization for centuries, asian civilizations as well as western civilizations as the mayans had their own calendar and year measuring system until later in the 13 through 15 centuries they started colonizing and globalizing the whole planet, we ended standardizing the BC/AD because globally was the most common
When will creationist understand that we don't believe the universe came from nothing, as they always falsely claim? The universe has not been observed to have a beginning....we only have evidence for it's expansion. Anything before that is only guess work by all the parties involved. We simply just don't know at this point.
GOD SAYS HE HAS A SON.Jesus said he's God's Son-Matthew 3:17,Mark 9:7,Psalms 2:7,Luke 9:35,Prov.8:22.DEMONS,expelled said he's Son of God-Luke 4:41.Matt.8:29, Mark3:11.Others said he's Son-John1:14,49,3:17,5:18,36,6:46,10:36,Mark15:39,Matthew 26:63,27:40. Hebrews10:29,4:14.An angel said he's Son-Luke1:35.Jehovah God is Jesus' God-John15:1,16:3,30,20:17, Matt.26:26,36-44,64,Mark15:34,Ephesians1:17.Son=Mediator-1Timothy 2:5,Heb.1:3,4,8:6,9:15,12:24, Romans1:4,8,9,Acts7:55,56.
@somecomputergeek and we evolved from nothing? wow how logical is that?
at least I'm not taking an risks.
if god exists(which I believe) I'll go to heaven
if he doesn't I'll go no where....but if you don't believe and he does you go to hell. we can argue about who'd right or smarter all day long, and you can refuse to be "fooled" but in the end do you really want to take the risk? what do you have to lose?
@socrates0ne we can compare the odds all day but christianity is the only religion with accepting god's son not a prophet none of that it's the one and only risk. Now we can compare odds all da long, but how much will u suffer if u believe in god? what exactly is hurt your pride? now lets compare outlooks. yours: i go no where or go to hell mine: I go no where or go to heaven. It's not that I'm holding on to false hope I'm holding on to eternity I'm not taking any risks
@socrates0ne or hurting anyone. so what if I'm wrong? but what if I'm right! ahh humanity isn't some wild mistake. ill throw a statistic out there don't remember the name but you can look it up on google. humanity life all coming about is about the same chances of throwing car parts up in the air and having them land forming a car. wow.
@socrates0ne and if in the video he is correct were all worshipping the same god, which I believe to be true, except I accept jesus as my savior, then won't we all be going to heaven? one religion says not to worship the a dif god, but whats so amazing is that their all the same! except christianity accepts jesus as a savior.
You've accepted Jesus as your savior? That's the only unforgivable sin in my religion. The punishment for this crime is to be eternally fondled by obese, hairy, old men with horrible personal hygiene because you've shamed the almighty lord of the heavens by saying Jesus was a god rather than just a mortal man.
The only way out of this now is to renounce Jesus.
God has personally revealed this to me, and besides, are you really willing to take that chance if I'm right?
@somecomputergeek so I guess the difference is that I'm more afraid of the risk I would be taking because I ACTUALLY believe it's true. If I didn't I wouldn't be afraid. fear comes with belief.
@somecomputergeek I can see where your coming from, but I need some examples of other religions that is precisely anti-christ, besides satanism, that has existed down through the centuries.
@socrates0ne we would ask our parents who created you, well they'd say their parents. but if we were to ask the first humans to exist who created them, might they have an answer? they would assume someone created them because they didn't proclaim them selves as gods. or we would all be worshipping adam and eve wouldnt we?
The "first humans" are difficult to identify. Its more difficult than you might think to delineate humans from ancestral species, especially when faced with the remains of hundreds of human-like species.
I posted a video from Aronra showing dozens of "in between" skeletons, and this video goes into great detail explaining why a "half man/half ape" doesn't make any sense because human beings ARE apes in "exactly the same way that lions are cats". We're also mammals. We're also vertebrates, and we're also animals. There are lots of taxonomic categories we fall into, "apes" being the most precise next to "humans".
@socrates0ne my point exactl dummy! you just proved my point that we didnt evolve from apes, because lions didn't evolve from cats! their in the same family but not the same! darwinism explains that humans and apes came from a common ancestor, not that they are the same. so you don't belive in evolution? then what two apes had sex and accidently made a human being? you still are not proving who created us just how we came to be
@briannacollins44 who created the animals if we all evolved. your saying we evolved from noting to begin with, which makes no sense. science does not defend that we evolved from nothing, Just how things evolved. science isn't here to disprove god. I belive in god and science. why athiest or w.e. darwinists want to sperate the two makes no sense. creationists are not dumb people who cannot comprehend science. their people who understand there is no real evidence proving or disproving god
I"m not saying that we evolved from nothing to begin with. However, I ADMIT (unlike you) that the farther we go back in time, the less information we have, and the less certain we can be about events leading to our current state. You know more about your father than you do your great grandfather, I imagine? Well, we know more about more recent ancestral ape species than we do the origins of animal life on this planet.
Saying "God did it" is the OPPOSITE of a real answer.
The terms "ape" and "cat" do not refer to a species, but a parent classification of species. Lions DID evolve from cats because they ARE cats. Their parents were cats, etc... down to the common ancestor between lions, tigers, cheetahs, leopards, other wild cats and common house cats (google "Felidae").
Similarly, humans DID evolve from apes because we ARE apes. Nobody is claiming that one species gave birth to a completely different species, which evolution doesn't allow.
@socrates0ne and if you want to get really technical with it.....Darwinism does not suggest we evolved from monkeys, but that we and them have in common with and come from A COMMON ANCESTOR. and If you don't agree with that, humans are still inclined to wonder where and from whom we came from. and if I'm wrong, and we evolved into monkeys where in the hell did they come from! athiests and others claim christians are belief is crazy when its really the most logical!
So... an omnipotent, omniscient being created the universe specifically for us on this planet in the middle of the universe, but one of his creation (Satan) screwed everything up, introduced "sin" into the population of us humans via a talking snake which convinced a woman to eat from a magic tree, a crime which is only remedied by this being sacrificing himself to himself thousands of years later?
@socrates0ne because two "who's" created us. It's only natural to think in the eraly stages of liife that if not two, but someone or something created us. who is intelligent, and spirit like we are.
GOD WAS LIKE A PREGNANT TEENAGER. SHE DECIDED TO KEEP THE BABY i.e THE UNIVERSE, BUT THEN ABANDONED IT WITH THE FEAR OF SETTING A BAD EXAMPLE TO HER CHILD, SO WE STILL PRAY FOR HER VISION AND WE HAVE NO IDEA WHO OUR FATHER IS (I THINK IT IS SATAN).
@briannacollins44 We can make up anything about the thing that we don't see; Did u know that the black hole is God's vagina? Pass billions of gallons of semen into the back hole, after nine months something might come out of it which'll give us some info about god!!!!
What's the differences between "thinking" God exists necessarily, and "believing"? Also, isn't stating your belief like this the same as "making a claim"? You're just making a claim, but giving yourself a pre-emptive excuse for mot backing that claim up.
@somecomputergeek Hi there. Sorry I didn't realize I was making claim. I believe God exist yes, but that's something I cannot back up by stating a claim I might believe is correct. You would reject any claim on God's favor, for your looking for scientific evidence of God. So why bother? No one can explain God. I believe in an all powerful being that I can't explain, but my faith somehow surpasses my logical mind against not believing in God. It's faith that basically makes me know God exist.
you cannot define natural. you cannot define anything until you know its source. the fact that humans have the desire to brake something down to find the "original" is evidence in itself that we were made to wonder how somethings is made and by whom. energy that you define, is only the energy you have experienced, and its really only a word used to describe what we alreay know.
@somecomputergeek the fact that you think you can provide a true explanation and definition for a world unseen, is idiotic, because our only going to hit walls science and communication has built around us. by logic, and not definition I have enough common sense to know that this question of "who made me?" is one that science nor religion first put in my head. you decide to believe science of religions and spiritual questions that have existed over millions of yearstheres nothing new underthesun
@somecomputergeek the fact that you think you can provide a true explanation and definition for a world unseen, is idiotic, because our only going to hit walls science and communication has built around us. by logic, and not definition I have enough common sense to know that this question of "who made me?" is one that science nor religion first put in my head. you decide to believe science over religions and spiritual questions that have existed over millions of years.
@briannacollins44 Albert Einstein thought he could provide a true explanation and definition for a world unseen. Then he did. Was that Idiotic? Religions and spiritual questions have been around so long because there has been no one to ask any better questions. People back then were not smart. Not at all. So they didn't know any better. Now we have lots of people asking "how did we get here" instead of "Who made me"
A persons common sense has nothing to do with logic.
"you think you can provide a true explanation and definition for a world unseen"
No, I don't. That's what theists do.
"hit walls science and communication has built around us"
What "walls"? The phone? The computer and internet we're currently using? I agree technology can have a marginalizing effect, but a "door" is a much more appropriate metaphor.
@somecomputergeek question: who created me? who created my parents? Who made this life? why am I here? technology and science is not a door because it does not "open" up the unseen world, the spirtual world or answer the questions no human can give a DEFINITE answer to. I'm not going to try to convince you of anything because it's pointless. and obviously a lost cause. continue to believe there is no god, you're only hurting your self.
This question implies a "who", as well as an "act of creation", but "you" are not the result of a single act of creation. You are the result of a process - sexual reproduction and upbringing. So were your parents, and your parents parents, every generation bringing with it changes that have led to the person that is you.
Your parents had sex and didn't have an abortion. "Why" involves motivation. Why did they have sex?
Science opens up the unseen world. You're talking about the "unseeable" world, which is forever exempt from the need to demonstrate its existence. Its not a world that is not seen. Its a world that can not be seen, so there can never be a "definite" answer.
If not science for answers, what? Religions can't even get the seen world right, forget about the unseen.
The egg came first. Eggs existed long, long before chickens did.
"who created the ...."
Again, you use the word "who", implying a person and an act of creation. The question itself presupposes something that isn't justified by the evidence. The correct question is "how did the chicken come to be?", or "how did the egg come to be?"
The chicken and egg "paradox" is only a riddle if you ignore evolution.
@somecomputergeek my point was that a natural question is from "whom" was I created. That is the natural and first thought you ponder. By asking how, you would assume by whom, because we even know as humans how, we want to know the why and who. My parents had sex, ok easily answered. but who exactly made the rules of attraction? who made my parents and my great great very first parents on this earth?
Sometimes, we don't know the answers to the questions we ask because we don't want to know them. Sometimes, they are honestly good questions which deserve an answer that is better than "God did it".
I'm going to assume that you're honestly seeking answers, but I'm skeptical.
If you really want to know these answers, I suggest you start by watching this:
hey computer geek i am just curious you say that there are 2 ways the universe could be created and that we will probably never know for sure. But just out of cursorily what do u believe?
Living on earth has molded our assumptions in ways not justified when thinking about the cosmic origin. I think the truth is much stranger, and simpler, than we imagine, but I don't think magic was involved.
Time is not as linear and consistent as we habitually perceive it to be. Time is not universal, and this can be counter-intuitive. As we approach, in our minds, the event horizon of the singularity, why do we assume a "beginning" is even possible?
@somecomputergeek i mean believe as in how do you think the earth was created i am personnnely christian meaning i believe aviously in god. To be honest you say do you do not really believe that magic created all us. The creation of god is not magic its creation. Its his force. Anyway was just curious you seemed to talk in your video about the possibilities and reason of the creation or existance of the universe i was just wondering wich one or wich way you thought that the universe was created
The reaction isn't as famous as matter to energy conversion, but it does happen, both in nature and in the lab. Photons of light (energy) sometimes form electron-positron pairs (matter).
Also, in particle accelerators, energy is added to the particles to increase their velocity, and when they finally collide, they create "daughter particles", which are measured as having more mass than the original particles.
This is alright but one point i must make is if god is god would he not be bound to our laws. I mean when we create a computer game we are not bound to that world laws. So why would god be bound to our laws?
MrEman561 1 day ago
I am a Christian but I really like this video. Great job man! I personally think that God is an infinite amount of energy.
Kenny414G 1 month ago
What are the properties of an "uncreated creator"?
dkthg 1 month ago
Oh hell no.
Juanpri626 2 months ago
@Juanpri626
Oh hell yes.
somecomputergeek 1 month ago
@somecomputergeek LOL
Juanpri626 1 month ago
Asking who created God is one of the most idiotic attempts to disprove any form of Creationism and is a simple strawman tactic.
IF God exists in the fashion outlined by the Bible or any other monotheistic religious text then there is no need to determine origin. WHATEVER force created the universe had to, by proxy, be outside of it. Therefore, we have no idea what laws governed the origin force and can make no inference as to its limitations. To say that God was created is asinine.
psford1 2 months ago
@psford1
please read video description which starts with the line "IDIOTS, PLEASE READ BEFORE POSTING"
somecomputergeek 2 months ago
@somecomputergeek I wasnt referring to you or your video specifically, just the argument...
psford1 2 months ago
He's drawn as a white male for a lot of reasons but I'll say one. Jesus was white and male. I can go into full complexity on this but I'm tired
GottistmeinFels 2 months ago
He is not created; He is eternal. He is the One who brought time, space, and matter into existence. Since the concept of causality deals with space, time, and matter, and since God is the one who brought space, time, and matter into existence, the concept of causality does not apply to God since it is something related to the reality of space, time, and matter. Since God is before space, time, and matter, the issue of causality does not apply to Him.
nnmk001 2 months ago
@nnmk001
Ah, the argument by definition. Causality doesn't apply to god because God, by definition, didn't have a cause, is that your argument? You don't recognize this as circular reasoning?
OK. Any logical argument which concludes that the Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn't exist is inherently invalid because the Flying Spaghetti Monster is, by definition, not subject to logic.
somecomputergeek 2 months ago
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FreShHarDip 2 months ago
that was a nice video !!
johnnybloom100 3 months ago
the mind isn't located in the head it's located where the heart is.the heart is just an organ.
bornschizophrenic 4 months ago
why is god always drawn as a human? Answer that.
bornschizophrenic 4 months ago
@bornschizophrenic cause its drawn by humans
panosfye 3 months ago
@panosfye Exactly.because humans want god to look ''human'' and not alien or scary or something non-human because humans are afraid of things that do not appear human
bornschizophrenic 3 months ago
@bornschizophrenic
simple, we're made in his image
meandque 3 months ago
@meandque
Why is he always drawn as a white male? Not all of "us" are white males, you know.
somecomputergeek 3 months ago
what scares scientists the measurement problem.
an atom does not exist as matter unless it is being observed it exists as wave form soread out over a large area as a probabilitie and only acts as a particle when observed by consciousness, why is this scary?
because they know that consciousness must be a factor in the univereses creation, the observer
Lok783 5 months ago
who said gods a man?
I'v always thought of god as the universe itself alive like you and I but very different from what you exspected.
Lok783 5 months ago
I hate it when stupid Christians say, "well, if god doesn't exist ... explain how the universe was made? Where did everything come from then?"
How the fuck do I know. But just because something is unknown doesn't mean I'll just say an invisible man made everything just to feel cozy that I have an answer. That's not how science works.
lesliekwan80 5 months ago
@lesliekwan80 same goes for atheism when they asked how God was created. if christians don't know the answer, then why athesim said that God don't exist as a final answer, just because christians can't answer the question? pathetic. plus, i hate it when stupid atheism ask so many pointless questions. christians are not perfect. atheism are not perfect. we are not "know-it-all" people. if you atheism still thinks we are, then you are moron.
TranceEternality 4 months ago
@TranceEternality Yeah, that whole "asking questions" thing is so over rated. Why can't people just believe and accept things without asking questions about stuff all the time?
rrpostalagain 4 months ago
@rrpostalagain Because "Just believe and accept things without asking questions" is the indoctrinated brainless fucktard way. Maybe you like being blissfully ignorant and willing to accept whatever your church wants you to think. You are the perfect sheeple. Now run along and blindly follow your faith off a fucking cliff, ya lemming jackass.
TheCrimsonification 4 months ago
@TranceEternality Wanna know how god was created? The Flying Spaghetti Monster roofied his mom and raped her vaccuumous cunt till she got impregnated by the Magic Pasta Sperm. Fuck religion. It's nothing more than zombiefication and mass mind control. You are proof of that, you indoctrinated fucking anal douche. Want a pointless question? How the fuck did you survive being a Prom Night Dumpster Baby?
TheCrimsonification 4 months ago
@TranceEternality
That's true. We don't know. Atheists don't claim that they do. Theists, however, DO claim special knowledge that is impossible to have. To claim that you know is arrogant. To REJECT such a claim is NOT arrogant, nor is it a claim itself, nor does anyone who rejects such a claim need to prove a negative. The onus to provide evidence falls on the one making a claim that has no existing evidence, not on the one rejecting such a claim.
somecomputergeek 4 months ago
Where did the matter come from ? There is a hypothesis expounded by Lawrence Krauss and others that the sum total of energy in the universe is zero. The sum of the positive energy (e=mc^2, light, etc ect) is equal to the gravitational energy of the universe (negative energy). The maths is beyond me ! Way beyond. There is a lecture by Lawrence on youtube which deals with this.
Cheers
nedladdy 5 months ago
GOD doesnt care about the laws of physics these are man made and god is present every where examplifying that air exist but we cannot see it but it exists so that means there is no air buullshit... we only feel its presence like GOD.
azo9374 5 months ago
@azo9374 Wind and air are observable things. God is not.
MattyG676 5 months ago
@MattyG676 so can you tell what colour it has cause i have never seen its colour nor i have observed it i have just felt it only like GOD ahah ill give you an example just say for a moment a person is taking pills for sleeping kk its right it makes the person to sleep but at seeing those pills you will not see the sleep itself its just apill nothing else do you see butter in the milk do you see fire in the body do you see soil in the body do you see the feelings soul can you tell me....plss
azo9374 5 months ago
@azo9374 The Laws of Physics are not man-made. They have come about through observation by scientists but, they are not man-made. Newton did not make gravity, he observed it's effects.
imsmenoo 1 month ago
@imsmenoo
I agree, though there are some semantics issues I have with what you said. For instance, the "laws" of physics ARE man-made, but they describe phenomena which are NOT man-made, as you suggest. "Gravity", however, is not a law of physics, but a phenomena. It is these kinds of phenomena which scientists are trying to explain and codify with laws of physics. For instance, the laws of motion are were create by Newton to explain his observations of phenomena, including gravity.
somecomputergeek 1 month ago
@imsmenoo ok sir i appreciate that i have one question can you tell from where this dust cloud came which has been the main criteria of big bang theory as per by the most intelligent scientists okk leave it how it came from nothing ok leave it energy can neither be created nor be destroyd einstein k leave it in this sence einstein has given the definetion of GOD it has no shape no colour no personality k can you tell me how something came from nothing
azo9374 4 weeks ago
@azo9374 No, I cannot not tell you where this cloud of energy and matter came from. Honestly, I'm agnostic and so I am well aware that I do not know the answer to where the entirety of existence. However, to state the first law of thermodynamics and say that is what God is troublesome. The reason being that you cannot use physics to explain a being that defies physics. It makes no sense to me. In reality, no one has the answer to this great question. If they did there would be no debate
imsmenoo 4 weeks ago
@imsmenoo The atheist and agnostic Delusion!
The second principle of thermodynamics, entropy or the decline of thermal energy, teaches us that although we cannot fix a date for the appearance of the world, the world certainly did have a beginning. The heat in the world is gradually decreasing and falling, like a piece of molten iron that gradually diffuses its heat in the air until finally the heat of the iron will be identical with that of the objects and the air surrounding it.
1tabligh 3 weeks ago
@azo9374 ths for your regard but im not explaining GOD in the sense of of physics but im only explaining the definetion of GOD through this no birth no death afterall we ll be seeing the fate in the end but its better to trust the thing {say not GOD} that has so much of historic eligible history rather then denying as there is no evidence to disapprove GOD so i think to be at one end is rather more good than agnostic cause a person standing on two boats is adamant to be in the ocean
azo9374 4 weeks ago
@Azraelbaxtalo
If not speculation, theory, or conjecture, what should I be contributing? Should I be like you and contribute insults and criticism? I'm not claiming to be great, nor am I claiming anything about myself at all. I evaluate ideas and speak my mind about them. That is not, nor was it ever intended to be a claim of greatness.
The pizza was fantastic, BTW.
somecomputergeek 5 months ago
@Azraelbaxtalo
First off, I haven't had a pizza in months, but your post made me just order one. It will be delicious.
Second, the fact that you would accuse me of being bitter inside the same sentence as you calling me a "Bitch" (in quotes? really? wtf?) is a tad bit "hypocritical".
Third, which of the many answers in my posts and videos are you having the most difficulty understanding?
Forth, this comment had nothing to do with mine and you did not address any of the points I raised.
somecomputergeek 5 months ago
@Azraelbaxtalo
I understand. What you are saying is that you don't actually exist - my mind created you. In fact, my mind created space-time. The flying spaghetti monster has warm yellow socks made of water.
Its fun to make claims that have absolutely no empirical backing, falsifiability, or sense, isn't it?
somecomputergeek 5 months ago
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jonathanfater 5 months ago
A mind can only create and perform these things. Matter or a combination thereof cannot, gases cannot, heat sources cannot …fuel/energy itself cannot. Sure they produce some sort of effect but they cannot create a Being !!! Especially one that has an intelligent brain himself.
ZZCAT100 6 months ago
@ZZCAT100
"a mind can only create and perform these things"
Can YOUR mind do it? Just because something is complex doesn't mean it is the product of intelligence.
"matter or a combination thereof cannot"
A "mind" is just an abstraction of a PHYSICAL SYSTEM - the brain.
Intelligent brains are the product of sexual reproduction.
somecomputergeek 6 months ago
@somecomputergeek
Pfffff…,hahaha.. Oh… My God ! Dude you totally missed the main point ?
It doesn’t matter if the creation is as complex as a Ferrari engine or a single grain of salt…
ZZCAT100 6 months ago
@somecomputergeek
Whatever is created be it complex or simple : if that creation itself carries with it these elements: accuracy, order, functionality (purpose), information, balanced coordination, and fine tuning…amongst other things I could point out
All these entail some form of intellectual understanding as to how it works and what it will used for – Esp. when used in conjunction with other interacting creations. i.e.- sun – light- tree – oxygen – human nose – breathing!
ZZCAT100 6 months ago
@somecomputergeek
And even before you can put all this universal system/arrangement to work you would need to ALREADY have some form of intelligence or understanding – mathematics, symmetry, physics, graphic design, biology, info/data processing etc to make it work wouldn’t you ?
ZZCAT100 6 months ago
@somecomputergeek
So you see dude, you have to have some form of a MIND to actually do these things. Cause a mind is only the thing that carries UNDERSTANDING or knowledge.
ZZCAT100 6 months ago
@somecomputergeek
Can my mind do this ? Well since I’m not God, No I can’t. In case you didn’t already know God gave us a limited mind in comparison to his. But my mind can certainly create things – both simple or complex that ARE products of intelligence. And if can do this than God certainly can too.
ZZCAT100 6 months ago
@somecomputergeek
I agree complexity for complexity sake can exist without bearing any intelligence – i.e. random collection of street garbage becoming a little mountain of garbage.
However, you are missing the point when it comes to the CREATION of the UNIVERSE and HUMAN existence. This complex creation carries with it all the above mentioned elements which again can also be featured in non complex or simple creations : and are definite products of an intelligent MIND.
ZZCAT100 6 months ago
@ZZCAT100
Parents do not design their children - they have sex and a baby is born. The process of sexual reproduction is what creates intelligent minds. They are not "designed" in any way. Does god need to intervene every time a child is born?
You are just declaring by fiat that no natural process can create a human being, but there are mountains of evidence supporting just that - evolution.
See my video "the best argument for god's existence - destroyed" for more.
somecomputergeek 6 months ago
Now I agree folks, this ? is indeed interesting and certainly fascinating for one’s curiosity, but I also know this : not having the answer for who created god does not change my mind as to his existence. For anything that has a creation which has : accuracy, multi-functionality, order, information, balanced intricacy and universal coordination/control and fine tuning, all this can only stem from an intelligent MIND.
ZZCAT100 6 months ago
So until that happens you can put that ? on hold. Perhaps he will reveal that once we face him after death….or perhaps he will never tell us ? it may be his only one personal secret.
ZZCAT100 6 months ago
Well in that case we who believe in god ? are also entitled to say the same thing and we too can also “Wait for the evidence or for God himself to tell us the answer of who created him.
ZZCAT100 6 months ago
Then they say “ but, we are still waiting for the evidence or data that will tell us the exact answer… Oh right, is that so ?
ZZCAT100 6 months ago
When I ask atheists who/what created the universe ? They say flat out – I honestly don’t know. “ I wasn’t there to see it… you are asking me an unfairly burdensome ? If I can’t even see what was created from the start then I can’t begin to analyze or attribute any property to its creator”
ZZCAT100 6 months ago
Who/what created your god ? Hmmmm, well unless I or anyone else on this planet was there at the beginning some xxxx millions of years ago to witness that “creation of the creator” similar to the creation of the universe - then can we have some sort accurate answer.
ZZCAT100 6 months ago
i seriously just said this ecaxt thing in another comment today, that for the universe to have a beginning there must have been stuff/energy there first to build it with, so the question isnt so much when did our uiniverse begin but more like what was there before this "version?" of our universe came into being. either the universe has always been here and only changes or the laws of physics are wrong
hez1919 7 months ago
@somecomputergeek
You make a good point but omnipotence is not a contradictory trait. You said in your video that cause and effect requires energy. Cause and effect can only happen with matter and time right?
xenogenesis1 7 months ago
@xenogenesis1
We only know of cause and effect happening with matter/energy and space/time, but all that is required is a dynamic. Space-time is the only dynamic we know of since that is our universe, but as you approach the singularity, the fabric of space-time becomes alien, and creates a limit of our understanding, past which may be dynamics that are counter-intuitive.
somecomputergeek 7 months ago
So venomfangxs argument says their is a God, while your argument says their might be but it sounds dumb so i you wont believe it
xenogenesis1 7 months ago
@xenogenesis1
Not exactly. VenomFangX is saying "God exists, and this argument is undeniable proof".
I said "Actually, not it isn't. In fact, here is proof that your argument is invalid."
You're right that this argument itself doesn't disprove God. God is disproven when you start to define him with self-contradictory attributes like omnipotence. As long as you don't define what God is, however, it is impossible to disprove that "he" exists.
somecomputergeek 7 months ago
I know religion is not the answr neither is science. But because of personal experience with no desire of seeing what I saw it was good enough to know that god existed.. ive been on both paths. I got a BH and come from a religious family but I never attribute anything to my diploma or to my parents, But to my personal experience. I understand you not believing but trust me some day you will encounter. All human beings do ..
TheMrjoecast 7 months ago
like i said before we will never end if we keep going on extending the subject to different areas but in the same common ground, I would like to be able to go into detail in some specific points that are not based on religion or science but based on true facts. I know you would try to give me scientific explanation to those things but the truth is not in science. Science is limited .to b able to understand it you would have to believe God
TheMrjoecast 7 months ago
hey computergeek you feel lonely im sorry for you.i go to god when i feel lonely you go to a monkey..
TheMrjoecast 7 months ago
@TheMrjoecast
Actually, that's true, since human beings are apes, and apes are all decendents of old-world "monkeys".
Better to go to a human being for companionship than to an imaginary friend.
somecomputergeek 7 months ago
NO ONE CAN DISPROVE GOD EXIST. God is awesome and the best.. you haters only gonna go o hell for not believing.. lol.. he loves you though
TheMrjoecast 7 months ago
@TheMrjoecast
He will torture me in hell if I don't believe in ridiculous fairy tales, but he "loves" me? How is this statement not completely insane? Seriously, how can I possibly take anyone seriously if they say this?
somecomputergeek 7 months ago
@somecomputergeek First of all, stop stealing lines from George Carlin! Secondly, I don't think the Bible means one will be literally tortured with fire and whips for eternity. It's saying that one can metaphysically choose to reject (through action) God and this in turn becomes a self-created hell. As the kingdom of heaven is within you, so is hell.
TheAxis456 6 months ago
@TheAxis456
"I don't think..."
...but other's do, and have for hundreds of years. That's the problem, isn't it? When you accept, as true, something which can not possibly be objectively verified or falsified, all you have is opinion, interpretation, and an endless series of ridiculous dogma.
I agree that you can create your own "self-created hell", but it has nothing to do with belief in a wizard from another dimension. It has to do with the VIRTUE of your ACTIONS, but death ends this.
somecomputergeek 6 months ago
@somecomputergeekThere are many other things which we take to be true which cannot objectively be verified. 1. logical and mathematical truths cannot be proven by science. 2. that there are other minds other than your own, or that the external world is real. 3. ethical beliefs cannot be proven by science. You cannot prove through science that the Nazi scientists did anything evil compared to the scientists in Western democracy. 4. Aesthetic judgments. 5. you cannot prove science with science.
TheAxis456 6 months ago
that is why i asked why can noone prove that he doesnt exist.. how many times hav you change your mind and looked for him in stead of trying to prove he doesnt exist
TheMrjoecast 7 months ago
@TheMrjoecast
I don't think I've ever tried to prove that God doesn't exist. I also haven't tried to prove that werewolves don't exist, or vampires, or any other mythical being. I simply don't believe that they exist.
If somebody (such as you) attempts to prove that they DO exist, I will evaluate the argument and evidence and reject if they are fallacious or accept them if they are compelling, but you can't really prove the non-existence of something.
somecomputergeek 7 months ago
i can prove all the facts in the bible.
TheMrjoecast 7 months ago
@TheMrjoecast
OK. Prove that a talking snake got Adam to eat from a magic tree.
somecomputergeek 7 months ago
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if i believe that china doesnt exist . that doesnt change anything . even if you took me to china and showed me i would argue back and make myself not believ. thats what your position is, i dont expect anyone to become a believer from an arguement..
TheMrjoecast 7 months ago
i dont believe that china doesnt exist . that doesnt change anything . even if you took me to china and showed me i would argue back and make myself not believ. thats what your position is, i dont expect anyone to become a believer from an arguement..
TheMrjoecast 7 months ago
@TheMrjoecast
If I said that Atlantis exists, and you didn't believe me, taking a dive down to the city with a giant sign that says "welcome to Atlantis" would be evidence that it exists. It is physical, empirical evidence, which would have to be explained. This is not an "argument", but actual evidence.
Where is the evidence for the existence of God? You have not taken me to God, nor can you, because God doesn't exist like China does.
somecomputergeek 7 months ago
exactly .. that why i never expected you to believ because of that man made phrase that scientists that came up with in a controlled lab. like i said if you can explain it than its true but if you cant than its not real. i understand that. but it doesnt change the facts that the bible was written in 10000 years of difference by different man from diferent backgrounds and it doesnt contradict it self. but science does.Alot, like evolution.and Theories not facts
TheMrjoecast 7 months ago
@TheMrjoecast
Just because you use endless mental acrobatics to get yourself to believe that the Bible doesn't contradict itself doesn't mean that the Bible doesn't actually contradict itself. When somebody shows you two scriptures that clearly contradict each other, there are no end to apologetics and excuses that will "explain" this contradiction in a way that allows true believers to keep believing the contradiction doesn't exist.
somecomputergeek 7 months ago
words do have a meaning for example catholic means universal church. christian means believ in jesus christ..scientist means that you study science but it doesnt mean atheist..you can be all three and believe in god but you can not be one of those and think your right. thats why we go by the bible. if it says that praising just jesus and not god is bad than it is. if it says that you dont believe in jesus or god than it is
TheMrjoecast 7 months ago
a christian is called a christian because they believ in jesus , therefore most jews arenot christians but they believe in god. i personally dont applaud to what roman and greek catholics did to the world. but the answer would never be found in another mans word or belief only through your own personal experience
TheMrjoecast 7 months ago
@TheMrjoecast
And if that personal experience leads one to the inescapable conclusion that Gods and angels and demons and devils, etc... don't exist? What can be accepted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
somecomputergeek 7 months ago
thats why no true christian call him self religious because religion is man made by what they belief. such as buddhism and muslims exc..but when you lived and experienced something thats the truth..for example time exists because we see its effects in nature. so in order for us to move according to it time we build an instrument called clock.but it doesnt mean we can controll it. old civilizations saw things that now days we dont anymore so they built temples and personified them built statues
TheMrjoecast 7 months ago
@TheMrjoecast
The word "christianity" is a sub-set of the word "religion". I realize you don't WANT to be lumped in with all the crazyness that is religion (I wouldn't want to be, either), but as long as you call yourself "Christian", you are, de-facto, calling yourself "religious". To deny this is to redefine the words we are using to the point where words have no meaning.
somecomputergeek 7 months ago
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TheMrjoecast 7 months ago
and if you didnt know traveling in time is possible the bible proves it over and over. acording to string theory is possible ,the triangle of bermuda, hitler ,world war 2,twin towers,that movie 300, all the biggest events in history are coded in it, even fake preachers pastors and fake religions.. all the biggest civilizations proved that there are supreme beings ,but i know you call them crazy. i know that no matter what you wont believe. God bless you .good night
TheMrjoecast 7 months ago
@TheMrjoecast
This comment is a mess of random statements, multiple extraordinary claims without any attempt to substantiate them, and a pre-emptive justification for not bothering to provide any evidence because "no matter what" I won't believe.
That's not true. I WILL believe if I have real, compelling reasons to, but my standards for evidence that I will accept are high enough to weed out nonsense.
somecomputergeek 7 months ago
the Bible can also explain the missing day of february.. you scientist can not.. and it can also explain why scientists and astrophysicists will never find the cause of their own existance.. while ME and millions of christians know all this facts. all you do is curse at them on youtube because you think you can intimidate.lol.
TheMrjoecast 7 months ago
@TheMrjoecast
What does February have to do with science? The months have their origin in ancient astronomy. Since the Bible also has origins in ancient superstitions, yes, the Bible may explain some things about the modern calendar. That doesn't mean those ancient superstitions are correct.
Stating that an invisible being in another dimension is the cause of our existence is not the same thing as having a real answer.
REASON is not supposed to be intimidating.
somecomputergeek 7 months ago
explain the following. how come an old book like the bible can explain why now days scientists find ocean fossils on top of a mountain caused by the flood at least 10000 years ago. and how the bible explain the numerous lands that were left under water and now days you looking for the so called ATLANTIS.. the bible talks about giants coming from mixed races and now days with all technology you dont have a clue how the pyramids and stone henge was built thousans of years ago..
TheMrjoecast 7 months ago
@TheMrjoecast
Where does the Bible explain any fossils? The fossils found on mountain tops are not just "ocean fossils", they are fossils of organisms that no longer exist. Despite what you might think, the flood story does not explain the fossils we find -- not by a long shot. Atlantis? Just as mythical as Noah's flood.
Giants built the pyramids? watch?v=lasCXujNPfs
Just because you're ignorant of these subjects doesn't mean everyone else is.
somecomputergeek 7 months ago
you make no sense ... why would an empire like the romans kill christ and than impose christianity after killing the christians.. can you explain that better and clear
TheMrjoecast 7 months ago
@TheMrjoecast
When Christians were a minority, they caused waves, and threatened the status quo. At that time, they were dangerous to the establishment. When Christiantity because so popular that it BECAME the status quo, the roman empire had to adapt in order to keep their power.
somecomputergeek 7 months ago
dont you think i know my history and physics and math and all the subjects you know about..explain why didnt the romans implied force to make the whole world athiest.
TheMrjoecast 7 months ago
@TheMrjoecast
Its easier to control people with mythology than it is with brute force, and the powers that be just want money and power - atheism doesn't provide them with that, but religion - a bunch of people obeying a centralized clergy class, on the other hand, makes it easy to control people.
somecomputergeek 7 months ago
Science do believe in parallel universes and so do i. there are more dimensions than what we live in, for example time is its own dimension(4Th),time can not be seen touched or altered because is not physical.But we do see its manifestation in life. We grow get old and we build machines to measure it and keep track of it. time is one proof that there is more than what human can see.every culture in human existance built what they believed in and personified it. like The mayans, greeks,romans,exc
TheMrjoecast 7 months ago
our bodies are like a computer nothing but a big machine. but lets not forget it needs the software for it to actually do its job. if i kill my self its like erasing the sofware. no matter how much you beat my heart to start pumping blood or no matter how much blood i put back in my body i wouldnt come back to life. Software is nonphysical . just like our emotions. you dont feel love or hate in a physical part of your body you just feel it its not real, there is something more than a body
TheMrjoecast 7 months ago
hello. i like this subjects, i actually open an account just o post my comment.. The difference between christians and all other religions, sects and cults is that jesus made sure he was known by everyone even those that didnt belief in him. for 2000 years atheist, christians, budhist and every man on earth is guided by the bigest event that changed history. Bc/Ad..buddah, satanism,mohamed, atheists, not even science has ever had an event so big to actually start a calendar for all to follow
TheMrjoecast 7 months ago
@TheMrjoecast no you moron, it was imposed, forced in thanks to roman empire, obviously Christians, who controlled biggest part of world civilization for centuries, asian civilizations as well as western civilizations as the mayans had their own calendar and year measuring system until later in the 13 through 15 centuries they started colonizing and globalizing the whole planet, we ended standardizing the BC/AD because globally was the most common
jraposo 7 months ago
When will creationist understand that we don't believe the universe came from nothing, as they always falsely claim? The universe has not been observed to have a beginning....we only have evidence for it's expansion. Anything before that is only guess work by all the parties involved. We simply just don't know at this point.
mrjholland1 7 months ago
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eternityandforever 7 months ago
@somecomputergeek and we evolved from nothing? wow how logical is that?
at least I'm not taking an risks.
if god exists(which I believe) I'll go to heaven
if he doesn't I'll go no where....but if you don't believe and he does you go to hell. we can argue about who'd right or smarter all day long, and you can refuse to be "fooled" but in the end do you really want to take the risk? what do you have to lose?
briannacollins44 7 months ago
@briannacollins44
I've heard this argument before. What you are describing is commonly referred to as "Pascal's Wager".
Here is a good video describing why this argument is very compelling.
watch?v=DBW2BvX4xkA
socrates0ne 7 months ago
@socrates0ne we can compare the odds all day but christianity is the only religion with accepting god's son not a prophet none of that it's the one and only risk. Now we can compare odds all da long, but how much will u suffer if u believe in god? what exactly is hurt your pride? now lets compare outlooks. yours: i go no where or go to hell mine: I go no where or go to heaven. It's not that I'm holding on to false hope I'm holding on to eternity I'm not taking any risks
briannacollins44 7 months ago
@socrates0ne or hurting anyone. so what if I'm wrong? but what if I'm right! ahh humanity isn't some wild mistake. ill throw a statistic out there don't remember the name but you can look it up on google. humanity life all coming about is about the same chances of throwing car parts up in the air and having them land forming a car. wow.
briannacollins44 7 months ago
@socrates0ne and if in the video he is correct were all worshipping the same god, which I believe to be true, except I accept jesus as my savior, then won't we all be going to heaven? one religion says not to worship the a dif god, but whats so amazing is that their all the same! except christianity accepts jesus as a savior.
briannacollins44 7 months ago
@briannacollins44
You've accepted Jesus as your savior? That's the only unforgivable sin in my religion. The punishment for this crime is to be eternally fondled by obese, hairy, old men with horrible personal hygiene because you've shamed the almighty lord of the heavens by saying Jesus was a god rather than just a mortal man.
The only way out of this now is to renounce Jesus.
God has personally revealed this to me, and besides, are you really willing to take that chance if I'm right?
somecomputergeek 7 months ago
@somecomputergeek the only issue with your hilarious made up religion is that there is no religion that suggests this?
briannacollins44 7 months ago
@somecomputergeek so I guess the difference is that I'm more afraid of the risk I would be taking because I ACTUALLY believe it's true. If I didn't I wouldn't be afraid. fear comes with belief.
briannacollins44 7 months ago
@somecomputergeek I can see where your coming from, but I need some examples of other religions that is precisely anti-christ, besides satanism, that has existed down through the centuries.
briannacollins44 7 months ago
@socrates0ne we would ask our parents who created you, well they'd say their parents. but if we were to ask the first humans to exist who created them, might they have an answer? they would assume someone created them because they didn't proclaim them selves as gods. or we would all be worshipping adam and eve wouldnt we?
briannacollins44 8 months ago
@briannacollins44
The "first humans" are difficult to identify. Its more difficult than you might think to delineate humans from ancestral species, especially when faced with the remains of hundreds of human-like species.
watch?v=Qfoje7jVJpU
socrates0ne 8 months ago
@socrates0ne show me the in between skeletans of human half monkey body then we can talk.
briannacollins44 7 months ago
@briannacollins44
I suggest you watch the video:
watch?v=Qfoje7jVJpU
somecomputergeek 7 months ago
@briannacollins44
I posted a video from Aronra showing dozens of "in between" skeletons, and this video goes into great detail explaining why a "half man/half ape" doesn't make any sense because human beings ARE apes in "exactly the same way that lions are cats". We're also mammals. We're also vertebrates, and we're also animals. There are lots of taxonomic categories we fall into, "apes" being the most precise next to "humans".
Here, let me post the video again:
watch?v=Qfoje7jVJpU
socrates0ne 7 months ago
@socrates0ne my point exactl dummy! you just proved my point that we didnt evolve from apes, because lions didn't evolve from cats! their in the same family but not the same! darwinism explains that humans and apes came from a common ancestor, not that they are the same. so you don't belive in evolution? then what two apes had sex and accidently made a human being? you still are not proving who created us just how we came to be
briannacollins44 7 months ago
@briannacollins44 who created the animals if we all evolved. your saying we evolved from noting to begin with, which makes no sense. science does not defend that we evolved from nothing, Just how things evolved. science isn't here to disprove god. I belive in god and science. why athiest or w.e. darwinists want to sperate the two makes no sense. creationists are not dumb people who cannot comprehend science. their people who understand there is no real evidence proving or disproving god
briannacollins44 7 months ago
@briannacollins44
I"m not saying that we evolved from nothing to begin with. However, I ADMIT (unlike you) that the farther we go back in time, the less information we have, and the less certain we can be about events leading to our current state. You know more about your father than you do your great grandfather, I imagine? Well, we know more about more recent ancestral ape species than we do the origins of animal life on this planet.
Saying "God did it" is the OPPOSITE of a real answer.
socrates0ne 7 months ago
@briannacollins44
The terms "ape" and "cat" do not refer to a species, but a parent classification of species. Lions DID evolve from cats because they ARE cats. Their parents were cats, etc... down to the common ancestor between lions, tigers, cheetahs, leopards, other wild cats and common house cats (google "Felidae").
Similarly, humans DID evolve from apes because we ARE apes. Nobody is claiming that one species gave birth to a completely different species, which evolution doesn't allow.
socrates0ne 7 months ago
@socrates0ne and if you want to get really technical with it.....Darwinism does not suggest we evolved from monkeys, but that we and them have in common with and come from A COMMON ANCESTOR. and If you don't agree with that, humans are still inclined to wonder where and from whom we came from. and if I'm wrong, and we evolved into monkeys where in the hell did they come from! athiests and others claim christians are belief is crazy when its really the most logical!
briannacollins44 7 months ago
@briannacollins44
So... an omnipotent, omniscient being created the universe specifically for us on this planet in the middle of the universe, but one of his creation (Satan) screwed everything up, introduced "sin" into the population of us humans via a talking snake which convinced a woman to eat from a magic tree, a crime which is only remedied by this being sacrificing himself to himself thousands of years later?
I agree, that IS the most logical.
somecomputergeek 7 months ago
@socrates0ne because two "who's" created us. It's only natural to think in the eraly stages of liife that if not two, but someone or something created us. who is intelligent, and spirit like we are.
briannacollins44 8 months ago
@briannacollins44
If we ask "how were we created", we may still find that we were created by an intelligent being.
If we ask "who created us", we may look for an intelligent being who isn't there.
"How" is the most appropriate question, whether or not you think it is "natural" (whatever that means) to ask "who".
We are not "spirit". We are flesh and blood - physical. When the physical system no longer functions, "you" no longer exist.
socrates0ne 8 months ago
GOD WAS LIKE A PREGNANT TEENAGER. SHE DECIDED TO KEEP THE BABY i.e THE UNIVERSE, BUT THEN ABANDONED IT WITH THE FEAR OF SETTING A BAD EXAMPLE TO HER CHILD, SO WE STILL PRAY FOR HER VISION AND WE HAVE NO IDEA WHO OUR FATHER IS (I THINK IT IS SATAN).
ma8740 8 months ago
@ma8740 WE ARE NOT IN THE GHETTO. AND SATAN IS NOT GODS BABY DADDY.LOL
briannacollins44 8 months ago
@briannacollins44 We can make up anything about the thing that we don't see; Did u know that the black hole is God's vagina? Pass billions of gallons of semen into the back hole, after nine months something might come out of it which'll give us some info about god!!!!
ma8740 8 months ago
@ma8740 haha
briannacollins44 8 months ago
Brilliant video with very good/fair points!
surfer6000 8 months ago
This is beyond complexity for anyone to even think they know the answer. I don't think or claim, but believe deep down that God exist necessarily.
OpenTheB0x 8 months ago
@OpenTheB0x
What's the differences between "thinking" God exists necessarily, and "believing"? Also, isn't stating your belief like this the same as "making a claim"? You're just making a claim, but giving yourself a pre-emptive excuse for mot backing that claim up.
somecomputergeek 8 months ago
@somecomputergeek Hi there. Sorry I didn't realize I was making claim. I believe God exist yes, but that's something I cannot back up by stating a claim I might believe is correct. You would reject any claim on God's favor, for your looking for scientific evidence of God. So why bother? No one can explain God. I believe in an all powerful being that I can't explain, but my faith somehow surpasses my logical mind against not believing in God. It's faith that basically makes me know God exist.
OpenTheB0x 8 months ago
@OpenTheB0x exactly
briannacollins44 8 months ago
great video
PunkymickBlah 8 months ago
hey man you obviously lack an understanding of what you just said, stop trying to put
God in a box
djtrediggy 8 months ago
you cannot define natural. you cannot define anything until you know its source. the fact that humans have the desire to brake something down to find the "original" is evidence in itself that we were made to wonder how somethings is made and by whom. energy that you define, is only the energy you have experienced, and its really only a word used to describe what we alreay know.
briannacollins44 8 months ago
@briannacollins44
google "define:natural"
The fact that humans are curious is not evidence of some arbitrary explanation about why, especially when that explanation is inconsistent.
somecomputergeek 8 months ago
@somecomputergeek the fact that you think you can provide a true explanation and definition for a world unseen, is idiotic, because our only going to hit walls science and communication has built around us. by logic, and not definition I have enough common sense to know that this question of "who made me?" is one that science nor religion first put in my head. you decide to believe science of religions and spiritual questions that have existed over millions of yearstheres nothing new underthesun
briannacollins44 8 months ago
@somecomputergeek the fact that you think you can provide a true explanation and definition for a world unseen, is idiotic, because our only going to hit walls science and communication has built around us. by logic, and not definition I have enough common sense to know that this question of "who made me?" is one that science nor religion first put in my head. you decide to believe science over religions and spiritual questions that have existed over millions of years.
briannacollins44 8 months ago
@briannacollins44
I'm not sure what you mean. What are you trying to say?
somecomputergeek 8 months ago
@somecomputergeek nothing really, other than more religious bullshit. :)
evelsteev 8 months ago
@briannacollins44 Albert Einstein thought he could provide a true explanation and definition for a world unseen. Then he did. Was that Idiotic? Religions and spiritual questions have been around so long because there has been no one to ask any better questions. People back then were not smart. Not at all. So they didn't know any better. Now we have lots of people asking "how did we get here" instead of "Who made me"
A persons common sense has nothing to do with logic.
SuperMrAtheist 8 months ago
@briannacollins44
"you think you can provide a true explanation and definition for a world unseen"
No, I don't. That's what theists do.
"hit walls science and communication has built around us"
What "walls"? The phone? The computer and internet we're currently using? I agree technology can have a marginalizing effect, but a "door" is a much more appropriate metaphor.
Spiritual questions like what?
somecomputergeek 8 months ago
@somecomputergeek question: who created me? who created my parents? Who made this life? why am I here? technology and science is not a door because it does not "open" up the unseen world, the spirtual world or answer the questions no human can give a DEFINITE answer to. I'm not going to try to convince you of anything because it's pointless. and obviously a lost cause. continue to believe there is no god, you're only hurting your self.
briannacollins44 8 months ago
@briannacollins44
" who created me?"
This question implies a "who", as well as an "act of creation", but "you" are not the result of a single act of creation. You are the result of a process - sexual reproduction and upbringing. So were your parents, and your parents parents, every generation bringing with it changes that have led to the person that is you.
somecomputergeek 8 months ago
@briannacollins44
"why am I here"
Your parents had sex and didn't have an abortion. "Why" involves motivation. Why did they have sex?
Science opens up the unseen world. You're talking about the "unseeable" world, which is forever exempt from the need to demonstrate its existence. Its not a world that is not seen. Its a world that can not be seen, so there can never be a "definite" answer.
If not science for answers, what? Religions can't even get the seen world right, forget about the unseen.
somecomputergeek 8 months ago
@somecomputergeek no it's like the chicken and the egg, except who created the egg and chicken?
briannacollins44 8 months ago
@briannacollins44
The egg came first. Eggs existed long, long before chickens did.
"who created the ...."
Again, you use the word "who", implying a person and an act of creation. The question itself presupposes something that isn't justified by the evidence. The correct question is "how did the chicken come to be?", or "how did the egg come to be?"
The chicken and egg "paradox" is only a riddle if you ignore evolution.
somecomputergeek 8 months ago
@somecomputergeek my point was that a natural question is from "whom" was I created. That is the natural and first thought you ponder. By asking how, you would assume by whom, because we even know as humans how, we want to know the why and who. My parents had sex, ok easily answered. but who exactly made the rules of attraction? who made my parents and my great great very first parents on this earth?
briannacollins44 8 months ago
@briannacollins44
"how" could include an intelligent creator. "who" pre-supposes one. Why is it "natural" to ask who?
socrates0ne 8 months ago
@briannacollins44
Sometimes, we don't know the answers to the questions we ask because we don't want to know them. Sometimes, they are honestly good questions which deserve an answer that is better than "God did it".
I'm going to assume that you're honestly seeking answers, but I'm skeptical.
If you really want to know these answers, I suggest you start by watching this:
watch?v=EG-7SDb_8Wo
socrates0ne 8 months ago
your voice is sexxxxxy
briannacollins44 8 months ago
hey computer geek i am just curious you say that there are 2 ways the universe could be created and that we will probably never know for sure. But just out of cursorily what do u believe?
infinitehacks1 8 months ago
@infinitehacks1
"believe?" ugh...
Living on earth has molded our assumptions in ways not justified when thinking about the cosmic origin. I think the truth is much stranger, and simpler, than we imagine, but I don't think magic was involved.
Time is not as linear and consistent as we habitually perceive it to be. Time is not universal, and this can be counter-intuitive. As we approach, in our minds, the event horizon of the singularity, why do we assume a "beginning" is even possible?
somecomputergeek 8 months ago
@somecomputergeek i mean believe as in how do you think the earth was created i am personnnely christian meaning i believe aviously in god. To be honest you say do you do not really believe that magic created all us. The creation of god is not magic its creation. Its his force. Anyway was just curious you seemed to talk in your video about the possibilities and reason of the creation or existance of the universe i was just wondering wich one or wich way you thought that the universe was created
infinitehacks1 8 months ago
Huge falicy= Energy cannot be converted to matter..... have you ever seen anything created from an explosion? No you haven't.
33SaintBernards 8 months ago
@33SaintBernards
Actually yes, I have.
The reaction isn't as famous as matter to energy conversion, but it does happen, both in nature and in the lab. Photons of light (energy) sometimes form electron-positron pairs (matter).
Also, in particle accelerators, energy is added to the particles to increase their velocity, and when they finally collide, they create "daughter particles", which are measured as having more mass than the original particles.
somecomputergeek 8 months ago
@33SaintBernards energy
infinitehacks1 8 months ago
@infinitehacks1 Good job; however, energy is not matter...
33SaintBernards 8 months ago
@infinitehacks1 Energy is not matter though friend, and the energy in an explosion is a result of the destruction of matter.
33SaintBernards 8 months ago
@33SaintBernards srry i am not the best in science i just thought that matter was energy in different forms
infinitehacks1 8 months ago