Yes but on the ice it would be a proper salchow. I don't think there's any way you can do a proper "backwards" entry into a salchow when you're off the ice.
All jumps take off forward. Exept for the Axel. That's what my coach says. (I think the Axel takes off to the side but I'm not sure, since she will only teach ma the Axel when I've mastered the backspin.)
no, I didn't switch anything. And if you look closely at the videos on ice, you see that it's like that. All jumps take off forward. You need to pre rotate them on the ice, because you can't initiate rotation in the air
I can see how you can get the double salchow as a forward jump, but the axel is also a forward jump. It is not taken off to the side, it is taken off from going a bit out of the circle. Going out to the side causes pre-rotation; way too much pre rotation. And double loops, they are definitely not forward. If anything, they take off from the side. Double flips and lutzs are not taken off from the forward. Along with double toe loops...So I think you got your coaches words twisted up a bit.
go and watch the olympic level figure skaters. you will find that iare07 is actually correct. if the world champions are doing it that way, then why cant we?
Actually, all jumps except the axel take off backward. You might be confused by the edges that are used for the sal and loop. You have to turn on the ice to initiate the jump, but that doesn't constitute prerotation.
seriously go check it out.. they're all forwards except the axel... they have a backwards edge entry, which makes you think they are a backwards take off.. but watch the entry edge.. it become quite sharp and the skater will face forwards before takeoff. for toe assist jumps, the skater will dig the toe in, turn on it face forwards and then jump... just watch an olympic figure skater and then pause it and watch frame by frame on their jumps.. then you'll see the true take off direction.
No, I know what you are saying. But when we talk about jumps and you watch them, you see the Axel (and the Waltz lol) are the only ones to go forward... When you watch. When you actually learn the technique, you find out it's different, but simply to recognize it, you keep it this way. I guess we both know what we mean lol
its really hard to see.. but just find a you tube video of like Yuna Kim, Mao Asada, Johnny Weir, Jeremy Abbot etc.. then when they're coming up for an axel, keep hitting pause and play so you can see it frame by frame. then take a look at their foot position JUST before they come off the ice :)
And actually... They always told me to first go up and then start turn (in order for me to focus on my height and avoid overrotating), so it's impossible for the Axel to go backwards, because that would make you start rotating too early... I don't know if you follow what I'm saying lol...
Yeah I now what you mean, with all jumps I can feel the forwards take off.. axel is a little sideways though, next time you do one, really think about which part of the toepick you're coming off, is it straight on, or more towards the side of your big toe? also watch some of the top skaters like I suggested and you'll see that its not completely forwards :)
even coaches cant seem to agree on this hahaha, I'm sure it will cause arguments for years.
Yes, I think that's what I meant by the Axel turns a little but stays forward... Btw, just a small thing... All the jumps excpet the loop are written with capitals because they are named after the first person who performed them... But I see beginning of sentences without caps, so I guess it's just fast typing or laziness (I know the feeling too well lol). But when I see like... journalists putting small letters, I just want to... go to their office and tell them lol
Lol. Don't worry about the capitalisation. I know it's youtube, I'm just pointing out some people who shouldn't be doing the mistake are doing it... But it's not like it changes my life or whatsoever. And as I said, I do a lot of mistakes too...
@bondanoz Yeah, they are classified as "backward jumps" by the *edge* they take off from. All but Axel & Waltz take off from backward inside or outside edges. Loop, toe-loop & Lutz are all backward outside takeoff, while the flip & Salchow are backward inside takeoffs (If you ever wondered why, it's cause the foot you take off on has to be going in the direction you rotate, the Lutz is so difficult because it's actually going the wrong direction lol).
@bondanoz But yeah you're right, by the time you actually leave the ice, you're facing the opposite direction then you started. Well, aside from the Axel and waltz... You should actually be facing straight forward when you leave the ice, THEN start to turn your body, otherwise you're doing it wrong and pre-rotating. (although the blade does kinda curve a bit as it takes off but that's getting overly technical lol).
As a sidenote; the toe and sal are the easiest because your hips are open to the rotation so you basically just have to close your hips, do a half rotation, and land on the other foot, instead of having to go all the way around with a closed hip. I have really open hips so for me toe and sal are actually TOO easy, like so much that it throws me off a little. For me flip and loop are the easiest jumps, I LOVE doing flips and loops! They're so much fun! And they're HUUGE!
@moietmavieana Well not ALL but loop are caps, only half, 3 out of the 6 major jumps (not including Waltz) lol. Salchow Lutz & Axel are people's names, while loop toe-loop and flip are more like descriptions of the jumps themselves lol. I have a theory that the Loop (i think it should be caps if you put 'the' in front, as it makes it a proper noun) is named for the mark it leaves on the ice if done correctly, toe-loop is obvious lol. But flip I dunno, maybe cause it flips around?
@GoFigureSkate1 Ooops, my bad. I don't know why I didn't think of the flip and toe-loop. I posted this 2 years ago, so I kinda forgot. When I was reading your comment, I was thinking "What is he talking about?? Serving me a theory I learned as a kid!". Then I went back to my old comments and saw you were absolutely right to correct me. I never understood the flip theory either. I remember once reading it's called flip because it's a simple turn on the ice. But they all are (except the Axel).
@GoFigureSkate1 2nd part of my comment. The theory was saying that flip means a simple turn in the english language... It just didn't mean anything to me,but maybe it could help others. Btw, where I live, the term Rittberger (with caps) is more used than loop. Just wanted to add a little info :). Have a good day!
excellent!! one question: you are doing a king of spiral( or something) before jump; how many of them is it necesary for a good salchow? is there any other begining or start?
You have a very good double salchow. I just started working on mine and its easier than working on my axel lol you have a very good position in the air.
mmm!! w8!! just remembered sthg...there s video of one of my mates: ruben rot...watch the "triple toe"...im the girl in red who s doing a combo sping in the background and who syas at the end: "yo te he visto!" haha..of course he is way betetr than i am!!! he s trying triples now..
haha u speak spanish!! siii de hecho acabo de sacar mi doble salchow aunque llevo solo 3 años patinando...asi que estoy bastante contenta con ello..:P
well..i speak that way coz im spanish!!! haha the only thing is that i dnt like uploading videos in here coz everybody sees it...but ill describe it: my jumps are sometimes too strong and not very soft and the landing in the axel is quite clean but in the double salchow i still shake..c what i mean?? siento no poder ser de más ayuda! jaja Ánimo!
double salchow on ice is not 2 revolutions either coz u gotta rotate on the top..i dnt knw hw u call it in english..lol..well in fact its more like 1 revolution and 3 quarters so u can b proud of ur double salchow off ice coz its clean and the position in the air is just perfect!!
you didn't do 2 revolutions
booyaakasha1 2 months ago
I wish i could do that. My salchow is terrible.
kakis96 8 months ago
so a single one is a half rotation and a double is one and a half rotation?
Cherryscream 1 year ago
its was only one.
novideosforme123 1 year ago
you only need one and a half rotations...just sayin...
FigureSk8rxx 1 year ago
made me lmao for some reason :L
skatingprincessx 2 years ago
nice double sows off ice check out my off ice
xOrdinary 2 years ago
on the floor it is an axel but on the ice its a bit more than the axel.
sweetskate423 2 years ago
Thank you for sharing this.
HandsOnVermont 2 years ago
nice as a single axel but as a double sal not so much
luv2skate05 2 years ago
this is actually a single axel. if you look closely, he takes off forward and rotates for 1.5 revolutions.
laudese 3 years ago 2
Hmm you're right! Single axel.
Vanyaloth 3 years ago
Yes but on the ice it would be a proper salchow. I don't think there's any way you can do a proper "backwards" entry into a salchow when you're off the ice.
uwoeric 2 years ago 2
All jumps take off forward. Exept for the Axel. That's what my coach says. (I think the Axel takes off to the side but I'm not sure, since she will only teach ma the Axel when I've mastered the backspin.)
iare07 2 years ago
oh, you've got that switched...I think you meant that all jumps take off backward except the axel which takes off forward.
laudese 2 years ago
no, I didn't switch anything. And if you look closely at the videos on ice, you see that it's like that. All jumps take off forward. You need to pre rotate them on the ice, because you can't initiate rotation in the air
iare07 2 years ago
I can see how you can get the double salchow as a forward jump, but the axel is also a forward jump. It is not taken off to the side, it is taken off from going a bit out of the circle. Going out to the side causes pre-rotation; way too much pre rotation. And double loops, they are definitely not forward. If anything, they take off from the side. Double flips and lutzs are not taken off from the forward. Along with double toe loops...So I think you got your coaches words twisted up a bit.
cuteskater4life 2 years ago
go and watch the olympic level figure skaters. you will find that iare07 is actually correct. if the world champions are doing it that way, then why cant we?
bondanoz 2 years ago
Actually, all jumps except the axel take off backward. You might be confused by the edges that are used for the sal and loop. You have to turn on the ice to initiate the jump, but that doesn't constitute prerotation.
mraurora 2 years ago
Actually it's the opposite... Only the Axel takes off forward...
moietmavieana 2 years ago
seriously go check it out.. they're all forwards except the axel... they have a backwards edge entry, which makes you think they are a backwards take off.. but watch the entry edge.. it become quite sharp and the skater will face forwards before takeoff. for toe assist jumps, the skater will dig the toe in, turn on it face forwards and then jump... just watch an olympic figure skater and then pause it and watch frame by frame on their jumps.. then you'll see the true take off direction.
bondanoz 2 years ago
No, I know what you are saying. But when we talk about jumps and you watch them, you see the Axel (and the Waltz lol) are the only ones to go forward... When you watch. When you actually learn the technique, you find out it's different, but simply to recognize it, you keep it this way. I guess we both know what we mean lol
moietmavieana 2 years ago
ohhhh.. hahahaha.. I seeeee.. yeah.. when you're watching.. it looks as though the axel is the only forwards jump.. verry true :)
bondanoz 2 years ago
But honestly, how is the Axel not a forward jump??
moietmavieana 2 years ago
its really hard to see.. but just find a you tube video of like Yuna Kim, Mao Asada, Johnny Weir, Jeremy Abbot etc.. then when they're coming up for an axel, keep hitting pause and play so you can see it frame by frame. then take a look at their foot position JUST before they come off the ice :)
bondanoz 2 years ago
Well, they always told me to go forward, but like with a slight turn... btu it's still forwards...
moietmavieana 2 years ago
And actually... They always told me to first go up and then start turn (in order for me to focus on my height and avoid overrotating), so it's impossible for the Axel to go backwards, because that would make you start rotating too early... I don't know if you follow what I'm saying lol...
moietmavieana 2 years ago
Yeah I now what you mean, with all jumps I can feel the forwards take off.. axel is a little sideways though, next time you do one, really think about which part of the toepick you're coming off, is it straight on, or more towards the side of your big toe? also watch some of the top skaters like I suggested and you'll see that its not completely forwards :)
even coaches cant seem to agree on this hahaha, I'm sure it will cause arguments for years.
bondanoz 2 years ago
Yes, I think that's what I meant by the Axel turns a little but stays forward... Btw, just a small thing... All the jumps excpet the loop are written with capitals because they are named after the first person who performed them... But I see beginning of sentences without caps, so I guess it's just fast typing or laziness (I know the feeling too well lol). But when I see like... journalists putting small letters, I just want to... go to their office and tell them lol
moietmavieana 2 years ago
It all depends on if you're talking about the skaters body, or the position of their blade once it leaves the ice.
and seriously?? You're complaining about capitalisation on youtube?? its youtube!! plus I only woke up half an hour ago.
bondanoz 2 years ago
Lol. Don't worry about the capitalisation. I know it's youtube, I'm just pointing out some people who shouldn't be doing the mistake are doing it... But it's not like it changes my life or whatsoever. And as I said, I do a lot of mistakes too...
moietmavieana 2 years ago
@bondanoz Yeah, they are classified as "backward jumps" by the *edge* they take off from. All but Axel & Waltz take off from backward inside or outside edges. Loop, toe-loop & Lutz are all backward outside takeoff, while the flip & Salchow are backward inside takeoffs (If you ever wondered why, it's cause the foot you take off on has to be going in the direction you rotate, the Lutz is so difficult because it's actually going the wrong direction lol).
GoFigureSkate1 20 hours ago
@bondanoz But yeah you're right, by the time you actually leave the ice, you're facing the opposite direction then you started. Well, aside from the Axel and waltz... You should actually be facing straight forward when you leave the ice, THEN start to turn your body, otherwise you're doing it wrong and pre-rotating. (although the blade does kinda curve a bit as it takes off but that's getting overly technical lol).
GoFigureSkate1 20 hours ago
As a sidenote; the toe and sal are the easiest because your hips are open to the rotation so you basically just have to close your hips, do a half rotation, and land on the other foot, instead of having to go all the way around with a closed hip. I have really open hips so for me toe and sal are actually TOO easy, like so much that it throws me off a little. For me flip and loop are the easiest jumps, I LOVE doing flips and loops! They're so much fun! And they're HUUGE!
GoFigureSkate1 19 hours ago
@moietmavieana Well not ALL but loop are caps, only half, 3 out of the 6 major jumps (not including Waltz) lol. Salchow Lutz & Axel are people's names, while loop toe-loop and flip are more like descriptions of the jumps themselves lol. I have a theory that the Loop (i think it should be caps if you put 'the' in front, as it makes it a proper noun) is named for the mark it leaves on the ice if done correctly, toe-loop is obvious lol. But flip I dunno, maybe cause it flips around?
GoFigureSkate1 20 hours ago
@GoFigureSkate1 Ooops, my bad. I don't know why I didn't think of the flip and toe-loop. I posted this 2 years ago, so I kinda forgot. When I was reading your comment, I was thinking "What is he talking about?? Serving me a theory I learned as a kid!". Then I went back to my old comments and saw you were absolutely right to correct me. I never understood the flip theory either. I remember once reading it's called flip because it's a simple turn on the ice. But they all are (except the Axel).
moietmavieana 17 hours ago
@GoFigureSkate1 2nd part of my comment. The theory was saying that flip means a simple turn in the english language... It just didn't mean anything to me,but maybe it could help others. Btw, where I live, the term Rittberger (with caps) is more used than loop. Just wanted to add a little info :). Have a good day!
moietmavieana 17 hours ago
the hight you get is really good!
binkydonkey 3 years ago
excellent!! one question: you are doing a king of spiral( or something) before jump; how many of them is it necesary for a good salchow? is there any other begining or start?
thank!!!
marisaacevedo 3 years ago
It's just helps to imitate the conditions on the ice, nothing more. There are a lot of other entrances to the salchow.
divan0 3 years ago 2
is their a hald slachow? i just learned one.
JudeHarrison0289 3 years ago
and 50 is on y, so not a hip-hop class
biellmann568 3 years ago
is there like a class on this?
shadowedlight734 3 years ago
You have a very good double salchow. I just started working on mine and its easier than working on my axel lol you have a very good position in the air.
figuresk87 4 years ago
mmm!! w8!! just remembered sthg...there s video of one of my mates: ruben rot...watch the "triple toe"...im the girl in red who s doing a combo sping in the background and who syas at the end: "yo te he visto!" haha..of course he is way betetr than i am!!! he s trying triples now..
Silkarielle 4 years ago
haha ) i've found. make more videos!! :)
btw, have you an icq or skype?
divan0 4 years ago
haha u speak spanish!! siii de hecho acabo de sacar mi doble salchow aunque llevo solo 3 años patinando...asi que estoy bastante contenta con ello..:P
Silkarielle 4 years ago
well, I'm not speaking spanish as good as you are :), but understood well all you said. I'm learning spanish a few monthes.
I'm skating only 1 year, and these jumps are only on the ground. I'm not ready yet to do them on ice, but I hope it will change soon.
Can you make and upload your skating videos? It would be pretty interesting :)
divan0 4 years ago
well..i speak that way coz im spanish!!! haha the only thing is that i dnt like uploading videos in here coz everybody sees it...but ill describe it: my jumps are sometimes too strong and not very soft and the landing in the axel is quite clean but in the double salchow i still shake..c what i mean?? siento no poder ser de más ayuda! jaja Ánimo!
Silkarielle 4 years ago
double salchow on ice is not 2 revolutions either coz u gotta rotate on the top..i dnt knw hw u call it in english..lol..well in fact its more like 1 revolution and 3 quarters so u can b proud of ur double salchow off ice coz its clean and the position in the air is just perfect!!
Silkarielle 4 years ago
Gracias, Silkarielle! Puedes patinar? :)
divan0 4 years ago