slappy"s idea of "IdealOrg" is seriously flawed' The COS spent $20 million on a new building here in Auckland NZ yet there are only 500 people in the last census who call themselves Scientologists. Where"s the economy of that?
I spent 30 years in Scientology so I understand your view point....
I am Thank Full
I am out of the cult, if you read the book called Edggar cayce the Companion, by B Ernest Frejer you will do a 180 in life and know what the truth is...I can never say enought about this book.. Wish you luck
According to the book, "Virtually all authoritarian groups that I have studied impose discipline, in one form or another, on members. A common theme that I encountered during interviews with ex-members of these groups was that the discipline was often carried out in public-and involved ridicule and humiliation. .
Members of all abusive churches soon learn that the pastor or leader is beyond confrontation. ... Unwavering obedience to religious leadership and unquestioning loyalty to the group would be less easily achieved if analysis and feedback were available to members from the outside. It is not without reason that leaders of abusive groups react so strongly and so defensively to any media criticism of their organizations." (Page 78, 81, and 84
According to the book, "leaving an abusive church situation can be extremely difficult, calling into question every aspect of life members may have experienced for the period of time they were involved. ... Leaving a restricted and abusive community involves what sociologists call the de-socialization process whereby the individual loses identification with the past group and moves toward re-socialization, or reintegration into the mainstream culture
There are a number of emotions and needs that emerge during this transition process. How one deals with these feelings and affective experiences has a significant impact on the overall healing that is required. Many have described the aftermath of abusive-church involvement as comparable to that of rape victims, or the delayed stress syndrome experienced by war veterans. It is recovery from what might be called spiritual rape." (Page 89 and 90)
Thank you for your courageous repudiation of David Miscavige and his repressive regime. You are a talented speaker. I respect your religious philosophy and desire to protect its integrity. Let me apologize on behalf of critics who have disrespected your religious beliefs. A little bit of tact and sensitivity goes a long way in establishing trust and finding a common ground. Mocking LRH and the Scientology religion is a poor strategy for rescuing those currently oppressed by DM's cult.
Well said! and Hello! from the Independents here in Nor Cal. Below a quote that goes along with your message
"...And one need not actively support such a government; doing nothing illegal, it is yet possible, by simply withdrawing ones cooperation, to bring about an eventual reform.
The Way to Happiness -LRH
Let me tell you we have been moving up the bridge for the past year outside of the church with the best of results both in trainning and auditing in a friendly group environment.
If Mr. Hubbard didnt want to force $cientology on anybody, then why did he write policies of fair game and disconnection and even R2-45? Hubbard was a racist, women beating liar and therefore Miscavige is a good successor for him. =)
You've done the first step out of about 10 on your way to recovery.
I've spent 9 minutes watching your video. Please take 10 seconds to read this
Let me save you 5 years of your life: L. Ron Hubbard was a CON MAN. He ripped off thousands of people and opposed critical thinking, just like Miscavige does now. His POLICIES and general NONSENSE are the problem, get your mind open to this. Read the internet.
You have been conned. Sorry.
Use SCIENCE in your life, not this so called "Tech".
Good for Helmut to stand up to Slappy Miscavige. But Helmut is still a dumb-ass with his belief in LRH tech. These $cientologists are such weirdo losers. I guess they need a cult club to hang out together.
@Anon7547 Hey, at least it's a start! Many people just can't up and put scn down lock stock and barrel from the get-go,It's a gradual stages process (that some may not ever give up 'tech' btw). But at least he's OUT and will BRING MANY OTHERS OUT WITH HIM, ya know? YAY to him!
Despite my comment below about LRH, I still want to thank you for coming out against David Miscavige, the corrupt leader of Scientology and for posting these videos on YT. I know it can't have been an easy decision. However, rest assured you have friends out here in Anonymous.
About time $cientologists declared David Miscavige.
Now it's time to declare L Ron Hubbard. He was psychotic, lied about his past to 'sucker in' the public and his policies are inhumane AND violate human rights. Especially when stating it is a religion.
You $cilons are moving in the right direction but got to get rid of the so-called 'tech'.
Here, here. LRH is known as "Source" in Scientology-speak. The 'Source" and the "Tech" he produced, umm I mean spewed, was nonsensical, fraudulent, dangerous, and criminal. What DM brought forth after is only another version of the same crap. As I recall, Zero + Zero still equals Zero and it always will no matter how many zeros are added on. :-)
Dm is a rotten bastard, but at the same time the tech is rotten to the core.
DOUBT IS NOT A CRIME.
LOVE IS NOT ON THE TONE SCALE.
that is all. it is good of you to examine the current state of affairs and speak out about it, opening a comm cycle about these matters with others... hopefully without playing the destructive game of tattling on each other about phoney overts and withholds and all that nonsense.
Miscavige is entirely self serving he thinks he is the entire dynamic!
However, he learnt much of this from Hubbard who took his "tech" from various parts of psychology mixed with what he understood of black magic and created one of the most elaborate cons ever invented.
Scientologists are entitled to believe what they want- it is the action of their "church" (and some Scientologists) that is hated by anonymous, not their beliefs (though body thetans are funny)!
How dare you speak badly of Mr. Muscavige. Mr. Muscavige is responsible SINGLE HANDIDLY because he wears all these hats with labels on them of the people he sent to RPF, so therefor he is responsible for the GOLDEN AGE OF TECH. This is the ECCLESTIAL LEADER of the SCIENTOLOGY RELIGION. Don't hate, you filthy, filthy psychotic. ;-)
And a good one, too. Better than he was a writer.
Hubbard wrote a lot but in the same way as; well, I like the following analogy: Someone who talks too much does not mean he knows much or has a lot 'to' say.
He did have a lot to say but..... you get my drift; so does a CON MAN !! ;-D
All right "Jerry Maguire" you had me at declare.Show me the Theta.lol.
sCIAntology101 7 months ago
I got as far as the comparison to Hitler. Has he murdered millions? If so you would have said so. Discredited.
008firefly 1 year ago
This is so true! I am glad you are speaking out!!
for8and8 1 year ago
slappy"s idea of "IdealOrg" is seriously flawed' The COS spent $20 million on a new building here in Auckland NZ yet there are only 500 people in the last census who call themselves Scientologists. Where"s the economy of that?
bigrobnz 1 year ago
Read -EDGER CAYCE he is the real deal ..
I spent 30 years in Scientology so I understand your view point....
I am Thank Full
I am out of the cult, if you read the book called Edggar cayce the Companion, by B Ernest Frejer you will do a 180 in life and know what the truth is...I can never say enought about this book.. Wish you luck
frogzzee 1 year ago
How do you know they dont do so well in new building? The stats are kept secret!
cherkas009 2 years ago
You say you had great wins in scientology? Have you ever seen any OT abilities? I guess not, case closed!
cherkas009 2 years ago
Church that pays out a commission when you sell materials.
Scam. Pure and simple. Not a religion.
SP4123105 2 years ago 2
Churches That Abuse,
ghostofshawnlonsdale 2 years ago 3
Harsh discipline of members, information control
According to the book, "Virtually all authoritarian groups that I have studied impose discipline, in one form or another, on members. A common theme that I encountered during interviews with ex-members of these groups was that the discipline was often carried out in public-and involved ridicule and humiliation. .
ghostofshawnlonsdale 2 years ago
Members of all abusive churches soon learn that the pastor or leader is beyond confrontation. ... Unwavering obedience to religious leadership and unquestioning loyalty to the group would be less easily achieved if analysis and feedback were available to members from the outside. It is not without reason that leaders of abusive groups react so strongly and so defensively to any media criticism of their organizations." (Page 78, 81, and 84
ghostofshawnlonsdale 2 years ago
Painful exit processes
According to the book, "leaving an abusive church situation can be extremely difficult, calling into question every aspect of life members may have experienced for the period of time they were involved. ... Leaving a restricted and abusive community involves what sociologists call the de-socialization process whereby the individual loses identification with the past group and moves toward re-socialization, or reintegration into the mainstream culture
ghostofshawnlonsdale 2 years ago
There are a number of emotions and needs that emerge during this transition process. How one deals with these feelings and affective experiences has a significant impact on the overall healing that is required. Many have described the aftermath of abusive-church involvement as comparable to that of rape victims, or the delayed stress syndrome experienced by war veterans. It is recovery from what might be called spiritual rape." (Page 89 and 90)
ghostofshawnlonsdale 2 years ago
Thank you for your courageous repudiation of David Miscavige and his repressive regime. You are a talented speaker. I respect your religious philosophy and desire to protect its integrity. Let me apologize on behalf of critics who have disrespected your religious beliefs. A little bit of tact and sensitivity goes a long way in establishing trust and finding a common ground. Mocking LRH and the Scientology religion is a poor strategy for rescuing those currently oppressed by DM's cult.
JJ
Bigshotism 2 years ago
Well said! and Hello! from the Independents here in Nor Cal. Below a quote that goes along with your message
"...And one need not actively support such a government; doing nothing illegal, it is yet possible, by simply withdrawing ones cooperation, to bring about an eventual reform.
The Way to Happiness -LRH
Let me tell you we have been moving up the bridge for the past year outside of the church with the best of results both in trainning and auditing in a friendly group environment.
seeking4know 2 years ago 2
If Mr. Hubbard didnt want to force $cientology on anybody, then why did he write policies of fair game and disconnection and even R2-45? Hubbard was a racist, women beating liar and therefore Miscavige is a good successor for him. =)
mollie2810 2 years ago 5
@mollie2810 Hubbard also wrote in 1965 KSW which said one cannot disagree with hubbard or be out tech...loose ones eternity.
cherkas009 2 years ago
You've done the first step out of about 10 on your way to recovery.
I've spent 9 minutes watching your video. Please take 10 seconds to read this
Let me save you 5 years of your life: L. Ron Hubbard was a CON MAN. He ripped off thousands of people and opposed critical thinking, just like Miscavige does now. His POLICIES and general NONSENSE are the problem, get your mind open to this. Read the internet.
You have been conned. Sorry.
Use SCIENCE in your life, not this so called "Tech".
AnonOrange 2 years ago 4
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ThePusbag 2 years ago
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ThePusbag 2 years ago
Eat a dick, AO, you gigantic egofag.
ThePusbag 2 years ago
Good for Helmut to stand up to Slappy Miscavige. But Helmut is still a dumb-ass with his belief in LRH tech. These $cientologists are such weirdo losers. I guess they need a cult club to hang out together.
Anon7547 2 years ago 5
@Anon7547 Hey, at least it's a start! Many people just can't up and put scn down lock stock and barrel from the get-go,It's a gradual stages process (that some may not ever give up 'tech' btw). But at least he's OUT and will BRING MANY OTHERS OUT WITH HIM, ya know? YAY to him!
wisenedone 2 years ago
Despite my comment below about LRH, I still want to thank you for coming out against David Miscavige, the corrupt leader of Scientology and for posting these videos on YT. I know it can't have been an easy decision. However, rest assured you have friends out here in Anonymous.
ricca119 2 years ago 3
About time $cientologists declared David Miscavige.
Now it's time to declare L Ron Hubbard. He was psychotic, lied about his past to 'sucker in' the public and his policies are inhumane AND violate human rights. Especially when stating it is a religion.
You $cilons are moving in the right direction but got to get rid of the so-called 'tech'.
SP4123105 2 years ago 8
Here, here. LRH is known as "Source" in Scientology-speak. The 'Source" and the "Tech" he produced, umm I mean spewed, was nonsensical, fraudulent, dangerous, and criminal. What DM brought forth after is only another version of the same crap. As I recall, Zero + Zero still equals Zero and it always will no matter how many zeros are added on. :-)
ricca119 2 years ago 5
Grats for discovering at least a part of the truth.
Now go and read all of Hubbard's policies again and you will discover that the "abuse" is systemic.
exfalsoquodlibet 2 years ago 6
DM vs. Lisa McPherson's family on Oprah.
devonAnon72 2 years ago 4
Jerry Springer might be better ;)
berkeley73 2 years ago
Dm is a rotten bastard, but at the same time the tech is rotten to the core.
DOUBT IS NOT A CRIME.
LOVE IS NOT ON THE TONE SCALE.
that is all. it is good of you to examine the current state of affairs and speak out about it, opening a comm cycle about these matters with others... hopefully without playing the destructive game of tattling on each other about phoney overts and withholds and all that nonsense.
theomeow 2 years ago 8
Miscavige is entirely self serving he thinks he is the entire dynamic!
However, he learnt much of this from Hubbard who took his "tech" from various parts of psychology mixed with what he understood of black magic and created one of the most elaborate cons ever invented.
Scientologists are entitled to believe what they want- it is the action of their "church" (and some Scientologists) that is hated by anonymous, not their beliefs (though body thetans are funny)!
laserofjustice 2 years ago 10
Miscaviges crimes are far more serious, like what happened to his mother in law??
That wasn't suicide, four rifle bolts, three to the chest and one to the head.
Looking up criminal cases IS NOT enturbulation, reading about Miscavige IS NOT entheta!!
vaaLLarr 2 years ago 7
Sorry Miscarriage, your days of beating Sea Org members are over! Time to sell one of those Idle Morgues and flee to Columbia!
whereisrinder 2 years ago 9
You're a squirrel and you're obviously insane.
ShaoPrawn 2 years ago 4
You're nuts. You're insane. You're stuck in an incident.
I can tell that you're stuck in an electronic incident on your whole track.
GLORYxMARCABIA 2 years ago 9
How dare you speak badly of Mr. Muscavige. Mr. Muscavige is responsible SINGLE HANDIDLY because he wears all these hats with labels on them of the people he sent to RPF, so therefor he is responsible for the GOLDEN AGE OF TECH. This is the ECCLESTIAL LEADER of the SCIENTOLOGY RELIGION. Don't hate, you filthy, filthy psychotic. ;-)
ShaoPrawn 2 years ago 3
@GLORYxMARCABIA
David Miscavige is a suppressive, and should be treated as such.
vaaLLarr 2 years ago 2
Miscavige keeps the Tech pure. You're a squirre.l
I be representin' dat Golden Age of Tech, nigga. you need to get like me, son.
GLORYxMARCABIA 2 years ago
A Scientology implosion... Love it !
blu9sky 2 years ago 5
Hubbard was a conman
devonAnon72 2 years ago 9
@devonAnon72
And a good one, too. Better than he was a writer.
Hubbard wrote a lot but in the same way as; well, I like the following analogy: Someone who talks too much does not mean he knows much or has a lot 'to' say.
He did have a lot to say but..... you get my drift; so does a CON MAN !! ;-D
Listen (or read) at your own risk / peril.
jdtrickster4 2 years ago 2
Hi DM.
AaronSaxtonSpeaks 2 years ago 11
I would really like to see David Miscavige & Aaron Saxton have a public interview on nightline & post it on youtube sadly this will never happen.
uncreativeranter 2 years ago 5