@jintiya i dont need a dog just to think I'm tough like in this video. she stands their like a pussy showing off what her dog will do for her. that don't mean it won't bite her, i wonder why they r banned in loads of countries including australia? wow they must be such loving dogs with a wonderful nature!
@misswoohoo2 Not only are you unpolite but also absolutely ignorant about dog psicology, I have bred and trained dogs of diferent breeds( hounds and teckels to tosas)for the last 20 years. I choosed tosas because their extremely balanced caracter when well educated. I understand that your ignorance about training makes you say such stupid comments, but I have no time to teach you, do it your self.
By the way golden retrievers have a prety high rate of home and child defensive bites, tosas dont.
Tosa's are guardian dogs, not attack dogs. Notice he only attacked when he knew his handler was in danger. A beautiful dog doing what it was bred to do.
I have Tosa boy, he is very friendly and he would never injure anyone, he likes to play and sleep:) I think tosa is a defender, not a killer.
this one (in the video) is really beautiful and strong but he also only defends not attacks. everyone who says that tosa is dangerous is right because every dog can be dangerous but tosa is not looking for fights :) my tosa is calm and thinking dog :-)
We had a dog like this, she was Huge! but all she ever did was sleep and play around. Not very mean like this one. If a guy had a stick she probably would think he wanted to play.
Tosa Inu and the American Pitbull Terrier are the two most dangerous dogs, followed by the Dogo Argentino and Cane Corso. Tosa vs Pitbull = 50/50 shot at winning, but it obviously depends the dog in itself. Some Tosa's get to 180-200 LBS, and they can take pitbulls. Both the Tosa and the Pitbull are the only two breeds bred for fighting purposes since their birth, and thus neither will back down to any animal or dog and will fight to its death. They both have unmatchable pain tolerance.
@jjstocky I've seen a tosa match, it's more like wrestling play than a blood battle (on youtube I swear!). and any dog can be dangerous, just as any dog can be very amazing pets.judge the deed not the breed... go look up videos of Sharky the pitbull... now is that a monster? the "dangerous breed"? Fight dogs are horribly trained to fight... people make them into monsters. they are not monsters by nature! And a Tosa is loyal. so is a pittie. they were chosen becauseboth breeds are very athletic.
@jjstocky well i think ur rite, there are other dogs for example check.."Bully Kutta, who are very tough and ppl dont even know about them..in my opinion pitbull is way overrated in north america due to its reputaion, and again cuz most of the ppl dont about other tough breeds...anways instead of cane corso ill say presa canario
My father has a Tosa. They are massive and powerful dogs. Tosas have a short coat that is easy to care for. They make an imposing watchdog. Tosas are serious and self-assured with strangers, yet generally mild-mannered unless aroused. Compared to other mastiffs, they are more athletic, more agile, and more responsive to training.
i own a tosa, dogo argentino, and a presa canario. i do dogfights all the time. regular hood pits aro no match to any of my dogs. my tosa is 170 ponds, my presa is 155 and my dogo is bout 85. pits are no match to them trust me
@bentleyisback mayby the pits that encounter are not so good and game cause every other breed quit after a certain time. and also you are so asshole that are engaged in this cruel sport perhaps you lack something that your dogs have as a fighter you lack the courage and self confidend.go fuck yourself
i'm sick and tired of all these debates as to which dog would win in a fight, a pit or a tosa or a kangal. i own a pit and in my opinion a tosa or a kangal would win. pits are definitely more athletic and probably more explosive but the much larger tosa or kangal would over power it. that would be like putting diego sanchez in the ring with brock lesnar.
the kangal and tosa would be a better fight for eachother...just my opinion
nope i have never and don't want to as it is the past time of stupid monkeys, yet the tosa would win due to the size difference, tosas can weigh up to 250 pounds a big pit maybe to a 100, tosas have the same stamina and twice the bite force.
u talk mad shit judgin blaccs man im 5 10 u can b 6-6 5 watever and ill still give u a challenge and possible chance of winnin so id hold the comments if i were u wen u see a true pit bull doin wat he does best den talk oh and dont get it twisted im against fights id never do dat to my dog of any breed
sorry its just dog fighting makes me really annoyed because the animals have no choice in the matter and i would agree with you that even 5 10 people can smash 6 5 people, but think of it this way. David Hayes would probably kill any middle weight. Why because the muscle is just not there on the middle weight, same with a pit bull and tosa
cool then bro but remember that we r all here to enjoy the video of this breed i just wana give u som advice dont dis respect the other breeds i own pitbulls i love presas N tosa inu but i dont hate other breeds
In Japan you have tosas from 30kgr to more than 100kgr, they fight in diferent weigth categories, the smallest tosas are sometimes confronted with pitbulls and they still win most of the times.
Pitbulls and tosas fight with diferent tactics, tosas tend to have a more patient and cerebral strategy, ond the other hand pitbulls have an inmense energy and courage.
no i know that, i thought in japan however that there was nothing over 100kgr as they were too slow, but in the west they are intentionally bred big, this guy was just questioning whether a tosa could beat a pit
At the end I think that depends on the individual dogs that you choose for the fight for both breeds are top fighters and have their strong and weak points.
Correct. Tosas were mastiff type dogs crossed with a wild, jackal type dog. Similar (if not more extreme) to that of the Pittbull which was originally an American Bulldog mixed with a Terrier.
Actually the fighting Tosas are not the 150 pound ones, they are used for guard dogs. The ones bred specifically for fighting are usually about 90 lbs. Fighting Pitts are usually 40-50 lbs. The ones with tons of muscle and big heads are just for show...
@CedrikTheManiac00 Oh you fucking retard, i am saying that any 250 dog which was not obese would take an average sized put just due to the physics not that pits are 250 pounds......................
I think you have it wrong. Proving themselves and having a companion that will defend them at all cost are two different things. Think before you speak. Ignorant fuck.
Because the politicians that make this laws do not know any thing about dogs, and they do not ask the profesionals, the same thing happens in Spain, they wanted to ban 15 breeds in Andalucia, but we managed to stop the law and replace it for a training course for the owner and the dog.
I'm 5'3" and I HAVE seen small women with big dogs but those dogs were mostly rottweilers, dobermanns and great danes, but is it a SMART decision if you're my size and you get a dog that big? (I know I can handle a dominant dog, but the dog will probably weigh more than I do..)
The problem is not your size, it is the psicological control that you have over the dog. If you educate propely your dog propely you should have no problem. I also recomend you to train your dog with a profesional trainer experienced in training guard dogs.
My wife is a thin japanese woman of about 50kgr, my dog is 70kgr.
It's the 'official' name of the breed. Just like how German Shepherds are called "German Shepherd Dog".
When I was in Japan, I found I had to put "inu" or "ken" at the end so people would have a clue what I was talking about. Then again, this might have something to do with the relative obscurity/unpopularity of the breed.
They recognize the word "shiba" and "shepaado" (shepherd) but not "tosa" by itself in regards to dogs.
I haven't had my Tosa Inu for very long, and he hasn't had any training for this, but he basically does this on his own. He listens to me perfectly and attacks when I'am in danger naturally because he is so protective.
Pensaba que el figurante tenia que ser alguien que el perro no conociera. Para hacer este tipo de entrenamiento habeis hecho algun curso, o lo habeis hecho estudiando y entrenando por vuestra cuenta? Si lo habeis hecho con un curso o algo parecido, podriais decirme como se llama y donde lo hicisteis? No encuentro nada similar cerca de Barcelona. Un saludo!
Why do people get so serious on here,. Its just a cool video of a great looking dog be trained. Dont like it?.. dont watch it! Think you can do a better job?... Post your own video!
Stupid comment. Typical for a people who have no idea what they're watching, nor what they're talking about. Your comment is similar to a parent who, in response to a child training in martial arts, assumes the child will be more inclined towards aggressive behavior & fighting. When in reality the training makes the child confident, and respectful. Same deal with this training. Why would you assume that a dog trained to protect will "bite a kid's face off?"
Totalmente de acuerdo. Son los perros (Dobermann, Pit, Rott...) que se compran para que sean perros guardianes, pero en vez de adiestrarlos se los deja en estado salvaje en los jardines, o se los enseña mal.
Yo una vez tuve una confrontación con un perro de vigilancia bien entrenado (culpa del gilipoyas del mayordomo, que me abrió la puerta sin avisar). El perro me arrinconó, y esperó a que llegase el dueño, sin mover un músculo.
Is this in Spain? I wouldn't say that Tosa is the world's deadliest dog...Rottweilers and Akitas have been blamed for more fatalities than a Tosa. Maybe it's because there aren't so many of them around...
My tosa, Sara, get's just about all the stimulation it needs from my other dog, a Boston Terrier named Lumpy. Lumpy is very dominant and when he plays with Sara he gets real pissed because she always just smothers him, but even when he nips at her she still plays nice, I've only heard her growl once ever.
These dogs are NOT fierce, no dog is naturally fierce. The have a high prey drive or protective/guarding instinct. If you want a dog like this then you MUST know what you are doing and the dog must be put to work for mental and physical stimulation. DO NOT get a dog like this just because you think its macho to own one.
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NUMBER 1 game bred pit bulls,number 2 presa pit bull cross number 3 american pitbull cross number 4 dogo pitbull cross number 5 tosa pit bull cross number 6 tosa number 7 any of the above mix kangals and other big fakes are way down the list
The Tosa is an amazing breed, i do wish they would be used as dependable comrades instead of fighting other dogs as entertainment. This is great to watch, and what a powerful dog!
i like all type of dogs but i want a dog that can take care of its self in a bad situation, i have german shepard mix akita, which i admit, used to be untamable, when real young, but grew up to be, well, a bully, lol. naw, hez cool tho, love him to death
well tosa inu's are very powerful dogs, somee argue the best fighting dog, ever, they can move quite fast for their size, i don't believe they have the overall brute strength of a st. bernard, they're rare, and they can be quite expensive, which is why pitbulls are mainly used in america as fighting dogs, still, dog fighting is wrong! i believe they're, what i want to know is, how many breeds of dogs, are mixed into tosa inus, i've heard old english bulldogs, great danes, and st. bernard's.
Different sources will tell you different breeds, form what I have read the most commonly quoted are; The original Shikoku (foundation of the Tosa), olde english bulldog, bull terrier, great dane, St Bernard, English Mastiff, German Pointer, and I have heard that Doberman were used as well. Some other sources mention Akita, however others still say that this is simply a confusion coming from pictures of the old Shikoku breed which was of Stpitz type.
i thought tosas were quiet...at least wen they fight other tosas...i heard in japan ,wen a tosa would yelp growl or bark the fight could be over due to specifications..
Idiots who think a Pit Bull can defeat a Tosa. Tosa's are known as the most powerful fighting dogs in the world. The reason they are not used is they are much more expensive and Pit Bulls are a ruined overbread breed and you can get them for 75-100$.
Pit bulls are very strong for their size, but they are easily defeated in fithing leagues around the work when they face a Tosa. Do some reasearch your morons. Pit owners are about as dumb as their dogs...
Just get a dog you like and forget what everyone else thinks. I got a Tosa and think he's great. I'm sure I would love a pit , Kangal, or rottie just as well, all great dogs.
I love reading the banter on youtube vids such as this one. Its's always the same w/ asshole after asshole proclaiming the superiority of one BREED compared to another. Here's the deal kids...NO BREED IS SUPERIOR AT ANY ONE THING! It comes down to the individual DOG, not the BREED. That goes for fighting as well as protection work. In each litter of every breed there are superior & inferior pups. Genetics is funny that way. Two excellent parents can produce garbage pups & vice versa. Understand?
Cute. "Better" is the gramatically correct term for "more good". Here's how I describe BETTER. First, I think of versatility. That's why I choose American Bulldogs & APBT's. Mine are titled in Iron Dog, Schutzhund & frist & foremost are proven hog hunters. Bring a TOSA on a hog hunt & you'll se him return with no legs. Trainability, control, supreme athleticism, balance of prey & defense drive are what I seek. Yet YOU mention
Let me guess...You don't work dogs. You surf youtube & watch vids, yet I'll bet you've never titled a dog in ANYTHING. That's why you're stupid enough to describe the exemplary dog by using GUARDING, FIGHTING & BEHAVING ITSELF, all in the same sentence. And THEN you mention NOT BEING OWNED BY HICKS. Ok, pal. Nice word choice. Way to positively represent your breed. Tell you what...Join a training club. Put on a bite suit & learn something before U go flapping about the TOSA's guarding abilities.
I'm sorry if I hurt your sense of hick pride, but I see that a dog is useful for more than hunting pigs, and the fact that I called the Tosa Inu better simply means that I prefer them. Dickwad.
You miss the point. The point is NOT that APBTs & ABs can ONLY hunt boar. The point is they can do EVERYTHING-Hunting, manwork, protection work, sentry work, weightpull comps. Thus my praising their superiority. Show me 1 TOSA that has titled in those. Your not mentioning in which capacity you work dogs shows that indeed YOU DON'T. So as I said B4, your proclaiming the TOSA superior in ANYTHING is childish, as the only capacity in which you've experienced them is the internet.
As far as being a hick, hardly. If I'm a hick, how is it that last night I drank a botlle of wine that costs more than YOU make in a week? Now, why don't you get back to what you're actually experienced in & leave this dog discussion for those with actual, pragmatic experience. Surely there's other youtube vids where you can pretend that you really know what you're talking about. GOODAY, MATE!
Oh wow! You must be super rich, drinking a bottle of wine that costs more than zero dollars! I'm an experienced in owning a dog, and my point is that that dogs are not JUST for hunting, manwork, protection work, sentry works, and weightpull competitions. Perhaps you're too stupid to notice, but MOST people couldn't give two shits about how much weight a dog can lift. I never said I work dogs; I don't think that's all they're good for. Oh, and the racism at the end of the post makes you a hick...
Great Stuff, the clown who calls himself WIGGAMACHIEVELLI cries RACISM! AMAZING! Back to the subject @ hand. You're clearly not too bright. Back when first addressed me, I said versatility is paramount. U can't name any USE in which you train, you just dismiss all working disciplines & claim "that's not all dogs are JUST for..." The point is YOU WOULDN'T KNOW the FIRST thing about ANY of those. Because like I said initially YOU DON'T WORK DOGS. You have PETS, not trained dogs.
Unless you know exactly where the name I use comes from, you are wholly unqualified to comment. I'm under the impression that most people who own dogs nowadays own them as pets. Hence, it is perfectly reasonable to comment on a dog's quality based on how good a pet it makes. Now, look; you can call me stupid if you really want, but you're only making a fool and a hypocrite of yourself. I'll leave it up to you.
SImple. All of it. FIrst things first. You are stupid. My remark of GOODAY MATE, was a jab @ your Australian lingo. You called me a racist & a HICK for making that comment. Australia is a NATION, not a RACE of people. Thus your claim is absurd. As for your claim that MOST people own dogs as pets, SO WHAT? Is that supposed to be a revelation? YOU made the claim that "THE BEST TOSA IS BETTER THAN THE BEST APBT." Knowing that's a ridiculous statement, I responded, "Best at what?"
MY Australian lingo? I have not once in my life spoken in such a way. In common usage, a racist is someone who makes broad generalisations based on race or nationality. It's not a ridiculous statement; I prefer Tosa Inu to your pets of choise.
You have PETS, as that's all you can handle. You don't know the first thing about imprinting or developing a young dog's prey drive. You couldn't effictively help a green dog to focus on the sleeve. You couldn't do ANYTHING associated w/ a WORKING dog. Yet you type your silly, 2nd hand garbage about the superiority of 1 breed over another. As if you have the SLIGHTEST conception of how to even evaluate a dog. Funny how I sussed U from your first post, isn't it? Go play fetch.
I'm sure that if I decided to waste my time on learning to use dogs in a completely pointless (to me) way, I would be more than capable of training dogs. The fact that I don't train dogs doesn't mean that I have no right to a preference of one breed over another. You obviously don't understand that not everybody who owns a dog cares whether or not it's *OMG TEH BESTEST HOGHUNTAR IN ZA WARLD*.
You responded by listing FIGHTING, GUARDING, etc. The fact is that very FEW Tosas are suitable for ANY type of advanced training that requires them to handle real MENTAL stress. Unlike APBTs & ABs, which are frequently trained & used in many capacities. Yet all YOU can do is now talk about PETS, Which is exactly what I had discerned after reading your FIRST silly post. You were just talking out your ass when you claimed the TOSA IS BEST. Yet NOW you claim you meant "AS A PET."
I still stand by that. Tosa Inu, in my opinion, are much better suited to robust work because of their physical size and strength. I am allowed to talk about pets because that is where my knowledge is based, and the fact that you can not properly realise that I was indeed talking about pets when I mentioned their aptitude as domestic guard dogs and as "cool" dogs, makes you an idiot.
"I am ALLOWED to talk about pets..." How damn funny! Yes you are ALLOWED. Happy Now? But that's the ONLY capacity in which you can speak about dogs & you know it. THAT is why I call you a clown PET owner. THAT it what I knew from your FIRST comment. You haven't the ABILITY to conduct a temperament test on a litter of puppys. You haven't the ABILITY to evaluate a dog's defense drive. You haven't the ABILITY to condition a dog.
"Tosa Inu, in my opinion, are much better suited to robust work because of their physical size and strength." Really? To what SPECIFICALLY do you refer when you say robust work? Please give SPECIFIC examples, based on YOUR experience. Please talk SPECIFICALLY of TOSAS you have used & how THEIR ability has exceeded the OTHER breeds you have used in the same capacities. Oh & which other breeds were they? Surely to make that claim, you must have actually done the ROBUST WORK?
I can't wait to tell the people in my training club about that line!!! I'm going to make that my mantra whenever I'm having a difficult session with a dog. "I'm allowed to talk about pets!" That's so GREAT!
I think you're just a little bit offended because I said a particular breed of dog was better than another particular breed of dog. I don't see you arguing with the other people who made general statements about the dogs, so I'm under the impression that all you're arguing for is your ego, and hence you just won't quit. Well, I'll do you a favour, and tell you that anything else you say will be ignored, because I'm not coming back. Good for you.
Lastly, I like your weakass defense of, "Most people couldn't give two shits about..." Yes you are correct. They're the people with whom YOU relate. Not giving a shit about a dog's working abilities is what YOU have in common with every other PET owner. That's not me. So U KEEP that argument, as it suits U PERFECTLY. I'll concern myself w/ a dog's working abilty & working & titling the dog AS A TESTAMENT to preserve that ability. So you just stick w/ the masses of PET owners.
Indeed. I am correct in that MOST people couldn't give two shits, and hence the MAJORITY couldn't give two shits, and hence I speak for the majority. I still don't see how calling me a pet owner is supposed to belittle me, but you just run along and have a good old time with your working pets.
So now, after I've gotten you to admit what I knew FROM YOUR FIRST POST, which is you know NOTHING about dogs & your TOSA claim is based simply on your playing on YOUTUBE, you make your silliest claim yet..."
I'm sure that if I decided to waste my time on learning to use dogs in a completely pointless (to me) way, I would be more than capable of training dogs. "
Don't bet on it. It's an art. Just stick to your little pets, like the other morons who can only handle that.
Oh, this is great. I never once said that I was not talking about the dog in general, and yet you think I've denied doing so, and that by admitting to doing so when I have been all along, and not denied it, I've made some great revelation. Oh my, your mystical powers of magical deduction certainly are impressive. I would most happily bet on my ability to learn how to train dogs. I'm certain I could, if I devoted myself to it, train dogs very well. After all, even YOU can do it...
"I would most happily bet on my ability to learn how to train dogs. I'm certain I could, if I devoted myself to it, train dogs very well. After all, even YOU can do it...
Great stuff. YOU'RE the guy who thinks POTENTIAL & PERFORMANCE are equal. You make a comment based on what you THINK you COULD do, rather than what you have DONE. Know what I call guys like YOU? JERKOFF. Here's a suggestion. Put on a bite-suit and take a few hits from a dog. Then get back to me.
So, out of interest, (and this is not at all relevant, I promise), but do you think that, assuming you've never done it before, you could go out in a single-scull rowboat and win a national level race? No? Then what if you'd had years of training, and were quite good at it? More likely, right? I lied, it was relevant. My point is, that even if I was physically ill-suited to playing with dogs, I could (time and interest permitting) learn to train them just as well as you. Waste of time, though.
" I never once said that I was not talking about the dog in general, and yet you think I've denied doing so..."
I don't THINK you've denied anything. What I KNOW is what I have repeatedly stated since your FIRST post. You are a PET owner. Your knowledge of dogs doesn't exceed the average pet owner who chooses a dog for COMPANIONSHIP & has ZERO ability to judge nor develop working ability. THAT knowledge is the basis of this discussion. YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT!
Well, you decided to act like it's a huge, amazing discovery that you made, and the fact that you thought you knew what I was talking about from the first comment, and then got it WRONG, should impress me, and act as an argumentative trump card. I pose this question to you; if you have a fully grown, powerful Tosa Inu, and a fully grown, powerful (for its breed) Pit Bull, of the best possible quality in terms of suitability for work, which will be better suited?
Hey we're FINALLY in agreement on something. You DO speak for the majority. The fat, lazy masses who "COULDN'T GIVE TWO SHITS." Yes, YOU SURE DO!! And they definitely are YOUR KIND OF PEOPLE. You're with the masses who haven't the knowledge, committment, discipline, nor work ethic to take a dog w/ working ability & drive, an increasingly rare thing in modern society, and dedicate your time, effort, and love into PRESERVING that ability. Man, I'm PROUD to be in the MINORITY.
"Anyone who is uninterested in training dogs is a fat idiot with no commitment, discipline, or work ethic."
I would imagine that there are an immense amount of activites which take far more commitment, discipline, work ethic, technical knowledge, and physical fitness to successfully participate in than dog training. The fact of the matter is, MOST people have BETTER things, by their own logic and rationalisation, to spend their time doing.
"I would imagine that there are an immense amount of activites which take far more commitment, discipline, work ethic, technical knowledge, and physical fitness..." You WOULD IMAGINE...Just like you would IMAGINE the Tosa is better suited to ROBUST WORK? LOL! Just like you WOULD IMAGINE that you COULD train dogs? LOL! Well, I WOULD IMAGINE I'd be a wonderful astronaut if only I spent the time & work to become one. But since I didn't, I won't lecture about space flight. GET IT?
Not quite. I don't remember the part where I was lecturing you. What I do remember, however, is the part where I made an innocent comment, and you leapt down my throat and decided to start an argument with me for no real reason other than being offended that I preferred one breed of dog to the breeds you keep as pets.
Beautiful male Tosa and dont mind the stupdi comment of some ignorant people.
jessthark 1 week ago 3
@jessthark thank you, he is also extremely balanced, tolerant and affective even with strangers, I am a lucky owner.
jintiya 1 week ago
@jintiya
Welcome im happy for you that he brings match happinese.I get in 2 months my male Tosa{father Mei Mei} Mother is Polish bred.
jessthark 1 week ago
OMG If that tosa even barked at me first I would shit my pants, then I would go home and cry for 2 hours
lawiet555 1 month ago
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lawiet555 1 month ago
stupid vid. get a golden retriever.
misswoohoo2 1 month ago
@misswoohoo2 I got one but he ate it.
Try to be more polite next time.
jintiya 1 month ago 4
@jintiya i dont need a dog just to think I'm tough like in this video. she stands their like a pussy showing off what her dog will do for her. that don't mean it won't bite her, i wonder why they r banned in loads of countries including australia? wow they must be such loving dogs with a wonderful nature!
misswoohoo2 1 month ago
@misswoohoo2 Not only are you unpolite but also absolutely ignorant about dog psicology, I have bred and trained dogs of diferent breeds( hounds and teckels to tosas)for the last 20 years. I choosed tosas because their extremely balanced caracter when well educated. I understand that your ignorance about training makes you say such stupid comments, but I have no time to teach you, do it your self.
By the way golden retrievers have a prety high rate of home and child defensive bites, tosas dont.
jintiya 1 month ago
@misswoohoo2
No knowledge at all..if its stupid why waist your time miss?!!
jessthark 1 week ago
@jessthark i know they are banned in shit loads of countries. what else is there to know?? i wonder why that is??!!
misswoohoo2 2 days ago
When that thing attacks.. that woman is coming with it.. flying through the air of course!
TheUnreaI 3 months ago
He is amazing! Where did you get him?
DiamondAsheaka 4 months ago
@DiamondAsheaka New York, Mr. Perozo kennel
jintiya 4 months ago
@DiamondAsheaka New York, Mr. Perozo kennel
jintiya 4 months ago
that is fuckin massive!!!! well trained too.
brooky180377 4 months ago
pitbull is so overrated in north america...cuz most of the ppl dont know other tough breeds
hunterloon 5 months ago
Very well trained, very awesome
LuckyTHlRT33N 5 months ago
Tosa's are guardian dogs, not attack dogs. Notice he only attacked when he knew his handler was in danger. A beautiful dog doing what it was bred to do.
taekwondory 6 months ago 4
Impressive!
RTWUROTTS 8 months ago
I have Tosa boy, he is very friendly and he would never injure anyone, he likes to play and sleep:) I think tosa is a defender, not a killer.
this one (in the video) is really beautiful and strong but he also only defends not attacks. everyone who says that tosa is dangerous is right because every dog can be dangerous but tosa is not looking for fights :) my tosa is calm and thinking dog :-)
vtrgtrbtr 8 months ago
damn in wikipedia didn't looked so big!
leninhitlerjuanpablo 11 months ago
I´d chose an Akita over a Tosa as guard dog anyday, although I respect the Tosa alot, strong and courageous dog.
dolippa 1 year ago
very good dog!!
creazy44 1 year ago
I thought this dog breed is illegal as pets??!
FattyDudley 1 year ago
@FattyDudley only in a few countries the uk for example.
19grand 1 year ago
We had a dog like this, she was Huge! but all she ever did was sleep and play around. Not very mean like this one. If a guy had a stick she probably would think he wanted to play.
hiroshir 1 year ago
Wow! What a gorgeous Tosa! I'm a fan of japanese breeds, and Tosa's are impressive! He looks very loyal and well controled!
Wolvesbane39 1 year ago
Good dog. Nice!
hrobass 1 year ago
Tosa Inu and the American Pitbull Terrier are the two most dangerous dogs, followed by the Dogo Argentino and Cane Corso. Tosa vs Pitbull = 50/50 shot at winning, but it obviously depends the dog in itself. Some Tosa's get to 180-200 LBS, and they can take pitbulls. Both the Tosa and the Pitbull are the only two breeds bred for fighting purposes since their birth, and thus neither will back down to any animal or dog and will fight to its death. They both have unmatchable pain tolerance.
jjstocky 1 year ago
@jjstocky I've seen a tosa match, it's more like wrestling play than a blood battle (on youtube I swear!). and any dog can be dangerous, just as any dog can be very amazing pets.judge the deed not the breed... go look up videos of Sharky the pitbull... now is that a monster? the "dangerous breed"? Fight dogs are horribly trained to fight... people make them into monsters. they are not monsters by nature! And a Tosa is loyal. so is a pittie. they were chosen becauseboth breeds are very athletic.
Wolvesbane39 1 year ago
@jjstocky well i think ur rite, there are other dogs for example check.."Bully Kutta, who are very tough and ppl dont even know about them..in my opinion pitbull is way overrated in north america due to its reputaion, and again cuz most of the ppl dont about other tough breeds...anways instead of cane corso ill say presa canario
hunterloon 5 months ago
i thought tosa's fought sightly?
frazerw16 1 year ago
My father has a Tosa. They are massive and powerful dogs. Tosas have a short coat that is easy to care for. They make an imposing watchdog. Tosas are serious and self-assured with strangers, yet generally mild-mannered unless aroused. Compared to other mastiffs, they are more athletic, more agile, and more responsive to training.
CAROLMRAMOS 1 year ago
Thats a good dog
CyberAsomatous 1 year ago
get a fucking life wankers. talking about dog fighting. go and fucking fight yourselfs.
sedod66 1 year ago
i own a tosa, dogo argentino, and a presa canario. i do dogfights all the time. regular hood pits aro no match to any of my dogs. my tosa is 170 ponds, my presa is 155 and my dogo is bout 85. pits are no match to them trust me
bentleyisback 1 year ago
@bentleyisback so you admit you do dogfighting, your just a sorry poor excuse fag! I hope your dogs turn on you and maul you worthless trash!
1sowild 1 year ago
@bentleyisback mayby the pits that encounter are not so good and game cause every other breed quit after a certain time. and also you are so asshole that are engaged in this cruel sport perhaps you lack something that your dogs have as a fighter you lack the courage and self confidend.go fuck yourself
superTHODORIS 10 months ago
@bentleyisback which one would win between dogo vs presa..and dogo vs tosa?
hunterloon 5 months ago
i'm sick and tired of all these debates as to which dog would win in a fight, a pit or a tosa or a kangal. i own a pit and in my opinion a tosa or a kangal would win. pits are definitely more athletic and probably more explosive but the much larger tosa or kangal would over power it. that would be like putting diego sanchez in the ring with brock lesnar.
the kangal and tosa would be a better fight for eachother...just my opinion
chadamblaze 1 year ago
nope i have never and don't want to as it is the past time of stupid monkeys, yet the tosa would win due to the size difference, tosas can weigh up to 250 pounds a big pit maybe to a 100, tosas have the same stamina and twice the bite force.
edtri19 1 year ago
u talk mad shit judgin blaccs man im 5 10 u can b 6-6 5 watever and ill still give u a challenge and possible chance of winnin so id hold the comments if i were u wen u see a true pit bull doin wat he does best den talk oh and dont get it twisted im against fights id never do dat to my dog of any breed
elbori1414 1 year ago
sorry its just dog fighting makes me really annoyed because the animals have no choice in the matter and i would agree with you that even 5 10 people can smash 6 5 people, but think of it this way. David Hayes would probably kill any middle weight. Why because the muscle is just not there on the middle weight, same with a pit bull and tosa
edtri19 1 year ago
cool then bro but remember that we r all here to enjoy the video of this breed i just wana give u som advice dont dis respect the other breeds i own pitbulls i love presas N tosa inu but i dont hate other breeds
elbori1414 1 year ago
Oh no im not disrespecting them as yes a 250 pound pit would win against a tosa but just the relative weights just makes the tosa the victor
edtri19 1 year ago
In Japan you have tosas from 30kgr to more than 100kgr, they fight in diferent weigth categories, the smallest tosas are sometimes confronted with pitbulls and they still win most of the times.
Pitbulls and tosas fight with diferent tactics, tosas tend to have a more patient and cerebral strategy, ond the other hand pitbulls have an inmense energy and courage.
jintiya 1 year ago
no i know that, i thought in japan however that there was nothing over 100kgr as they were too slow, but in the west they are intentionally bred big, this guy was just questioning whether a tosa could beat a pit
edtri19 1 year ago
At the end I think that depends on the individual dogs that you choose for the fight for both breeds are top fighters and have their strong and weak points.
jintiya 1 year ago
but honestly a 150 pound tosa or a 50 pound pit
edtri19 1 year ago
@jintiya I also don't condone dogfighting!!!!!!!!!!!
edtri19 1 year ago
Correct. Tosas were mastiff type dogs crossed with a wild, jackal type dog. Similar (if not more extreme) to that of the Pittbull which was originally an American Bulldog mixed with a Terrier.
STPdemon 1 year ago
@jintiya Most Lightweight Tosa Inus are mixed with Pitbulls. Thats a badass combination haha
FrankfurtMilad439 1 year ago
Actually the fighting Tosas are not the 150 pound ones, they are used for guard dogs. The ones bred specifically for fighting are usually about 90 lbs. Fighting Pitts are usually 40-50 lbs. The ones with tons of muscle and big heads are just for show...
STPdemon 1 year ago
Yeah i thought that was true, stamina is affected over about 160 i heard.
edtri19 1 year ago
@edtri19 rofl rolf rofl rofl rofl there is no pit that weight 250 pounds, wtf are you talking about, get yourself educated
CedrikTheManiac00 1 year ago 2
@CedrikTheManiac00 Oh you fucking retard, i am saying that any 250 dog which was not obese would take an average sized put just due to the physics not that pits are 250 pounds......................
edtri19 1 year ago
@SLASHWILLNEVERDIE Oh it would, right in the bumhole
edtri19 2 years ago
why do you think that ?
abchaz01 2 years ago
Nice looking Tosa, the Tosa is very respected breed in Japan. Good example of an obedient dog.
TrueAPBT15 2 years ago 12
i agree with you on this one but you know im still right about the others
lowlifeon3 2 years ago
xx tosa rr verry frendly and only lisens to one voice and verry good for guard dogs i got one itss 3 yrss old he is beautifull
naruto4766 2 years ago
@BlackBird10111
I think you have it wrong. Proving themselves and having a companion that will defend them at all cost are two different things. Think before you speak. Ignorant fuck.
kzundiverus 2 years ago
Im confused?? I just said they are good dogs.
BlackBird10111 2 years ago
And that its a shame i cant take it back to Australia. :P
BlackBird10111 2 years ago
That dog would rape a pitbull.
kzundiverus 2 years ago 25
hes beautiful!!my 4 yr old male is red and white. hes 25 inches to shoulder+160 lbs. he is probly the same size of urs.
how much does urs wiegh?
dooggyloover 2 years ago
Thank you, he is 82cm tall and 70 kgr.
jintiya 2 years ago
Nice stable dog.
For some reason this breed is banned in my country (UK), no-one seems to know why...
asubjectiveopinion 2 years ago
Because the politicians that make this laws do not know any thing about dogs, and they do not ask the profesionals, the same thing happens in Spain, they wanted to ban 15 breeds in Andalucia, but we managed to stop the law and replace it for a training course for the owner and the dog.
jintiya 2 years ago
no sabia que hubiesen tosas tan buenos en españa,un saludo
robertyada 2 years ago
Gracias, el merito es de mi mujer Kaori.
jintiya 2 years ago
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BlackBird10111 2 years ago
shite wank
kmo2ddx 2 years ago
I have a question
I'm 5'3" and I HAVE seen small women with big dogs but those dogs were mostly rottweilers, dobermanns and great danes, but is it a SMART decision if you're my size and you get a dog that big? (I know I can handle a dominant dog, but the dog will probably weigh more than I do..)
AKUP01 2 years ago
The problem is not your size, it is the psicological control that you have over the dog. If you educate propely your dog propely you should have no problem. I also recomend you to train your dog with a profesional trainer experienced in training guard dogs.
My wife is a thin japanese woman of about 50kgr, my dog is 70kgr.
jintiya 2 years ago
i realy love the tosa inu
great dogs i have my tosa now 6 years
boken999 2 years ago
How much was he?
Masteruny 2 years ago
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BlackBird10111 2 years ago
It's the 'official' name of the breed. Just like how German Shepherds are called "German Shepherd Dog".
When I was in Japan, I found I had to put "inu" or "ken" at the end so people would have a clue what I was talking about. Then again, this might have something to do with the relative obscurity/unpopularity of the breed.
They recognize the word "shiba" and "shepaado" (shepherd) but not "tosa" by itself in regards to dogs.
GerkIIDX 2 years ago
Anyone know where I can get my six month old female Tosa trained in New York?
jaxe69 2 years ago
Jaxe69,
Trained in WHAT?
67goldtop 2 years ago
Obedience trained on the budget of a city worker in New York.
jaxe69 2 years ago
you should train it .. what is the point of getting your dog to obey someone else no offence but imo its your responsibilty.
pewpewetc 2 years ago
Turns out I am doing the training myself and no offense taken.
jaxe69 2 years ago
As a matter of fact I am doing the training myself and on offense taken.
jaxe69 2 years ago
anyone know who i can contact to train my dog like this??
mgbrawl 2 years ago
mgbrawl,
What breed do you own? How old is the dog? Where do you live?
67goldtop 2 years ago
sorry, of course i should have gave that info, i have a 4 month old french mastiff X american bulldog, im in liverpool england...
mgbrawl 2 years ago
look for a training club were they do mondioring or french ring
jintiya 2 years ago
thanks
mgbrawl 2 years ago
I haven't had my Tosa Inu for very long, and he hasn't had any training for this, but he basically does this on his own. He listens to me perfectly and attacks when I'am in danger naturally because he is so protective.
DogueDeBordeaux35 2 years ago
Una pregunta, el que va con el chaleco especial es el entrenador o un amigo/colega que le esta ayudando?
Sianoelyayo 2 years ago
el entrenador haciendo de figurante
jintiya 2 years ago
No me esperaba eso xD
Pensaba que el figurante tenia que ser alguien que el perro no conociera. Para hacer este tipo de entrenamiento habeis hecho algun curso, o lo habeis hecho estudiando y entrenando por vuestra cuenta? Si lo habeis hecho con un curso o algo parecido, podriais decirme como se llama y donde lo hicisteis? No encuentro nada similar cerca de Barcelona. Un saludo!
Sianoelyayo 2 years ago
En Barcelona hay varios clubs de mondioring, el más famoso es el de Jean Paule Correa.
jintiya 2 years ago
thats a big big boy
kingforaday72 2 years ago 2
Why do people get so serious on here,. Its just a cool video of a great looking dog be trained. Dont like it?.. dont watch it! Think you can do a better job?... Post your own video!
samson123450 2 years ago
and then it bites a kids face of..
rossawilson01 2 years ago
Stupid comment. Typical for a people who have no idea what they're watching, nor what they're talking about. Your comment is similar to a parent who, in response to a child training in martial arts, assumes the child will be more inclined towards aggressive behavior & fighting. When in reality the training makes the child confident, and respectful. Same deal with this training. Why would you assume that a dog trained to protect will "bite a kid's face off?"
67goldtop 2 years ago
i know a few yorkies, spaniels and especially MALTESE that have bitten a few faces off.
not to mention the mental issues those attacks left
imagine a 6ft 200lb man scared of a 8lb fucker but unafraid of american bulldogs and pits.
chepe371 2 years ago
lol my Chi is fucking scary, when someone he doesn't like gets him cornered, it seems like he is fucking teleporting he is so fast when he snaps.
JayDomination 2 years ago
great analogy!
samson123450 2 years ago
This type of training is to prevent agression out of control, your comment is based in total ignorance about dog psicology.
I do not recomend people to own any guard dog without a professional guard training, this are the ones that can be dangerous.
jintiya 2 years ago
Totalmente de acuerdo. Son los perros (Dobermann, Pit, Rott...) que se compran para que sean perros guardianes, pero en vez de adiestrarlos se los deja en estado salvaje en los jardines, o se los enseña mal.
Yo una vez tuve una confrontación con un perro de vigilancia bien entrenado (culpa del gilipoyas del mayordomo, que me abrió la puerta sin avisar). El perro me arrinconó, y esperó a que llegase el dueño, sin mover un músculo.
Un perro mal enseñado me habría mordido.
DragonNighthowler 2 years ago
awesome dog!!!! congrats to the trainer and owner!!!
johnnyfou 2 years ago
Awesome display of control-Our's is the same, you can only get so close without permission.
lawsec 3 years ago
this dog cannot fight a lion lets not be silly r u muthafuckas smokin it would take at least 5 of these muthafuckas to even have a chance
bulletintheface2 3 years ago 2
Is this in Spain? I wouldn't say that Tosa is the world's deadliest dog...Rottweilers and Akitas have been blamed for more fatalities than a Tosa. Maybe it's because there aren't so many of them around...
axelbello99 3 years ago
there more pointlessly aggressive and less intelligent. THis dog is much calmer and patient before it attacks and it's rare to begin with.
mistadiscovery 3 years ago
man that dog is huge, i'll bet he ways more than that girl
Euphorium 3 years ago
Ca de Bou
qvark1 3 years ago
how r they like on walkz easy to handle lol
bangbangpitbull 3 years ago
My Tosa is easy to walk, he;s 16 months and about 140 lbs and gives me zero trouble.
samson123450 3 years ago
a tosa is the worlds deadliest dog even more than a rottwilere!
mcd2567 3 years ago
even more than any dog
platinumchain85 3 years ago
My tosa, Sara, get's just about all the stimulation it needs from my other dog, a Boston Terrier named Lumpy. Lumpy is very dominant and when he plays with Sara he gets real pissed because she always just smothers him, but even when he nips at her she still plays nice, I've only heard her growl once ever.
Willpower665 3 years ago
These dogs are NOT fierce, no dog is naturally fierce. The have a high prey drive or protective/guarding instinct. If you want a dog like this then you MUST know what you are doing and the dog must be put to work for mental and physical stimulation. DO NOT get a dog like this just because you think its macho to own one.
wcsl8r 3 years ago 6
bloody right, a well said 100% correct
liqwon 3 years ago
that dog is just awsome....i want one but i heard they are fierce...
boricuamobsta 3 years ago 2
They are, but on the other hand they are extremely obedient with his ownwer and they have a very stable temperament.
The only thing you should be carefull is with other male dogs that want to fight him.
jintiya 3 years ago
Yeah, the Tosa might kill em'
ButtaScotchBoy 3 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
NUMBER 1 game bred pit bulls,number 2 presa pit bull cross number 3 american pitbull cross number 4 dogo pitbull cross number 5 tosa pit bull cross number 6 tosa number 7 any of the above mix kangals and other big fakes are way down the list
fordgt550 3 years ago
The Tosa is an amazing breed, i do wish they would be used as dependable comrades instead of fighting other dogs as entertainment. This is great to watch, and what a powerful dog!
Bastarden 3 years ago
i like all type of dogs but i want a dog that can take care of its self in a bad situation, i have german shepard mix akita, which i admit, used to be untamable, when real young, but grew up to be, well, a bully, lol. naw, hez cool tho, love him to death
boxer4life4 3 years ago
I would like to know: Just powerful is the Tosa? I'm asking out of curiosity because I don't really know much about the breed.
roguegirl29 3 years ago 2
Powerful enough. Some guys might brag that they can "take" certain dogs in a fight, this is not one of those dogs.
rainbowfirewave 3 years ago
well tosa inu's are very powerful dogs, somee argue the best fighting dog, ever, they can move quite fast for their size, i don't believe they have the overall brute strength of a st. bernard, they're rare, and they can be quite expensive, which is why pitbulls are mainly used in america as fighting dogs, still, dog fighting is wrong! i believe they're, what i want to know is, how many breeds of dogs, are mixed into tosa inus, i've heard old english bulldogs, great danes, and st. bernard's.
boxer4life4 3 years ago
Different sources will tell you different breeds, form what I have read the most commonly quoted are; The original Shikoku (foundation of the Tosa), olde english bulldog, bull terrier, great dane, St Bernard, English Mastiff, German Pointer, and I have heard that Doberman were used as well. Some other sources mention Akita, however others still say that this is simply a confusion coming from pictures of the old Shikoku breed which was of Stpitz type.
samson123450 3 years ago 2
This is only what I have read however.
samson123450 3 years ago
You are right
jintiya 3 years ago
I love Tosa Inu!My Tosa was grat.The best dog ever!
BlackPanther190986 3 years ago 3
AMAAAAAAAAZING dog!!! once i graduate and get my own place i would love to get one of those.
5H0M3D4M0N3Y 3 years ago
i thought tosas were quiet...at least wen they fight other tosas...i heard in japan ,wen a tosa would yelp growl or bark the fight could be over due to specifications..
boricuamobsta 3 years ago
My dog does not bark to other dogs, but he does to people.
jintiya 3 years ago
Idiots who think a Pit Bull can defeat a Tosa. Tosa's are known as the most powerful fighting dogs in the world. The reason they are not used is they are much more expensive and Pit Bulls are a ruined overbread breed and you can get them for 75-100$.
Pit bulls are very strong for their size, but they are easily defeated in fithing leagues around the work when they face a Tosa. Do some reasearch your morons. Pit owners are about as dumb as their dogs...
timandpete 3 years ago 3
Just get a dog you like and forget what everyone else thinks. I got a Tosa and think he's great. I'm sure I would love a pit , Kangal, or rottie just as well, all great dogs.
samson123450 3 years ago
would love to have seen the dog go for the guys head!
winkywrong 3 years ago
Samurai dogs!
Xnake 3 years ago
I love reading the banter on youtube vids such as this one. Its's always the same w/ asshole after asshole proclaiming the superiority of one BREED compared to another. Here's the deal kids...NO BREED IS SUPERIOR AT ANY ONE THING! It comes down to the individual DOG, not the BREED. That goes for fighting as well as protection work. In each litter of every breed there are superior & inferior pups. Genetics is funny that way. Two excellent parents can produce garbage pups & vice versa. Understand?
67goldtop 3 years ago
Yeah, but the best Tosa is always going to be better than the best Pitbull.
WiggaMachiavelli 2 years ago
WiggaMachiavelli,
Define Better. Better at what?
cutglove 2 years ago
"Better" is the gramatically correct term for "more good". Guarding, fighting, behaving itself, being a cool dog, not being owned by hicks.
WiggaMachiavelli 2 years ago
WiggaMachiavelli,
Cute. "Better" is the gramatically correct term for "more good". Here's how I describe BETTER. First, I think of versatility. That's why I choose American Bulldogs & APBT's. Mine are titled in Iron Dog, Schutzhund & frist & foremost are proven hog hunters. Bring a TOSA on a hog hunt & you'll se him return with no legs. Trainability, control, supreme athleticism, balance of prey & defense drive are what I seek. Yet YOU mention
"Guarding, fighting, behaving itself" LOL!
cutglove 2 years ago
Oh wonderful, so the ONLY thing a dog is good for is hunting pigs...
WiggaMachiavelli 2 years ago
Let me guess...You don't work dogs. You surf youtube & watch vids, yet I'll bet you've never titled a dog in ANYTHING. That's why you're stupid enough to describe the exemplary dog by using GUARDING, FIGHTING & BEHAVING ITSELF, all in the same sentence. And THEN you mention NOT BEING OWNED BY HICKS. Ok, pal. Nice word choice. Way to positively represent your breed. Tell you what...Join a training club. Put on a bite suit & learn something before U go flapping about the TOSA's guarding abilities.
cutglove 2 years ago
I'm sorry if I hurt your sense of hick pride, but I see that a dog is useful for more than hunting pigs, and the fact that I called the Tosa Inu better simply means that I prefer them. Dickwad.
WiggaMachiavelli 2 years ago
WiggaMachiavelli
You miss the point. The point is NOT that APBTs & ABs can ONLY hunt boar. The point is they can do EVERYTHING-Hunting, manwork, protection work, sentry work, weightpull comps. Thus my praising their superiority. Show me 1 TOSA that has titled in those. Your not mentioning in which capacity you work dogs shows that indeed YOU DON'T. So as I said B4, your proclaiming the TOSA superior in ANYTHING is childish, as the only capacity in which you've experienced them is the internet.
cutglove 2 years ago
wiggaMachiavelli,
As far as being a hick, hardly. If I'm a hick, how is it that last night I drank a botlle of wine that costs more than YOU make in a week? Now, why don't you get back to what you're actually experienced in & leave this dog discussion for those with actual, pragmatic experience. Surely there's other youtube vids where you can pretend that you really know what you're talking about. GOODAY, MATE!
cutglove 2 years ago
Oh wow! You must be super rich, drinking a bottle of wine that costs more than zero dollars! I'm an experienced in owning a dog, and my point is that that dogs are not JUST for hunting, manwork, protection work, sentry works, and weightpull competitions. Perhaps you're too stupid to notice, but MOST people couldn't give two shits about how much weight a dog can lift. I never said I work dogs; I don't think that's all they're good for. Oh, and the racism at the end of the post makes you a hick...
WiggaMachiavelli 2 years ago
WiggaMachiavelli,
Great Stuff, the clown who calls himself WIGGAMACHIEVELLI cries RACISM! AMAZING! Back to the subject @ hand. You're clearly not too bright. Back when first addressed me, I said versatility is paramount. U can't name any USE in which you train, you just dismiss all working disciplines & claim "that's not all dogs are JUST for..." The point is YOU WOULDN'T KNOW the FIRST thing about ANY of those. Because like I said initially YOU DON'T WORK DOGS. You have PETS, not trained dogs.
cutglove 2 years ago
Unless you know exactly where the name I use comes from, you are wholly unqualified to comment. I'm under the impression that most people who own dogs nowadays own them as pets. Hence, it is perfectly reasonable to comment on a dog's quality based on how good a pet it makes. Now, look; you can call me stupid if you really want, but you're only making a fool and a hypocrite of yourself. I'll leave it up to you.
WiggaMachiavelli 2 years ago
WiggaMachiavelli,
SImple. All of it. FIrst things first. You are stupid. My remark of GOODAY MATE, was a jab @ your Australian lingo. You called me a racist & a HICK for making that comment. Australia is a NATION, not a RACE of people. Thus your claim is absurd. As for your claim that MOST people own dogs as pets, SO WHAT? Is that supposed to be a revelation? YOU made the claim that "THE BEST TOSA IS BETTER THAN THE BEST APBT." Knowing that's a ridiculous statement, I responded, "Best at what?"
cutglove 2 years ago
MY Australian lingo? I have not once in my life spoken in such a way. In common usage, a racist is someone who makes broad generalisations based on race or nationality. It's not a ridiculous statement; I prefer Tosa Inu to your pets of choise.
WiggaMachiavelli 2 years ago
WiggaMachiavelli,
You have PETS, as that's all you can handle. You don't know the first thing about imprinting or developing a young dog's prey drive. You couldn't effictively help a green dog to focus on the sleeve. You couldn't do ANYTHING associated w/ a WORKING dog. Yet you type your silly, 2nd hand garbage about the superiority of 1 breed over another. As if you have the SLIGHTEST conception of how to even evaluate a dog. Funny how I sussed U from your first post, isn't it? Go play fetch.
cutglove 2 years ago
I'm sure that if I decided to waste my time on learning to use dogs in a completely pointless (to me) way, I would be more than capable of training dogs. The fact that I don't train dogs doesn't mean that I have no right to a preference of one breed over another. You obviously don't understand that not everybody who owns a dog cares whether or not it's *OMG TEH BESTEST HOGHUNTAR IN ZA WARLD*.
WiggaMachiavelli 2 years ago
WiggaMachiavelli,
You responded by listing FIGHTING, GUARDING, etc. The fact is that very FEW Tosas are suitable for ANY type of advanced training that requires them to handle real MENTAL stress. Unlike APBTs & ABs, which are frequently trained & used in many capacities. Yet all YOU can do is now talk about PETS, Which is exactly what I had discerned after reading your FIRST silly post. You were just talking out your ass when you claimed the TOSA IS BEST. Yet NOW you claim you meant "AS A PET."
cutglove 2 years ago
I still stand by that. Tosa Inu, in my opinion, are much better suited to robust work because of their physical size and strength. I am allowed to talk about pets because that is where my knowledge is based, and the fact that you can not properly realise that I was indeed talking about pets when I mentioned their aptitude as domestic guard dogs and as "cool" dogs, makes you an idiot.
WiggaMachiavelli 2 years ago
WiggaMachiavelli,
" I am allowed to talk about pets..."
AMAZING!
"I am ALLOWED to talk about pets..." How damn funny! Yes you are ALLOWED. Happy Now? But that's the ONLY capacity in which you can speak about dogs & you know it. THAT is why I call you a clown PET owner. THAT it what I knew from your FIRST comment. You haven't the ABILITY to conduct a temperament test on a litter of puppys. You haven't the ABILITY to evaluate a dog's defense drive. You haven't the ABILITY to condition a dog.
cutglove 2 years ago
I'm sure I have the ability; I just don't have the training.
WiggaMachiavelli 2 years ago
Wigga Machiavelli,
"Tosa Inu, in my opinion, are much better suited to robust work because of their physical size and strength." Really? To what SPECIFICALLY do you refer when you say robust work? Please give SPECIFIC examples, based on YOUR experience. Please talk SPECIFICALLY of TOSAS you have used & how THEIR ability has exceeded the OTHER breeds you have used in the same capacities. Oh & which other breeds were they? Surely to make that claim, you must have actually done the ROBUST WORK?
cutglove 2 years ago
Why? It's actually just common sense that a bigger, stronger dog would be better at work which depends on size and strength.
WiggaMachiavelli 2 years ago
WiggaMachiavelli,
"I AM ALLOWED TO TALK ABOUT PETS!"
I can't wait to tell the people in my training club about that line!!! I'm going to make that my mantra whenever I'm having a difficult session with a dog. "I'm allowed to talk about pets!" That's so GREAT!
cutglove 2 years ago
I think you're just a little bit offended because I said a particular breed of dog was better than another particular breed of dog. I don't see you arguing with the other people who made general statements about the dogs, so I'm under the impression that all you're arguing for is your ego, and hence you just won't quit. Well, I'll do you a favour, and tell you that anything else you say will be ignored, because I'm not coming back. Good for you.
WiggaMachiavelli 2 years ago
WiggaMachiavelli,
Lastly, I like your weakass defense of, "Most people couldn't give two shits about..." Yes you are correct. They're the people with whom YOU relate. Not giving a shit about a dog's working abilities is what YOU have in common with every other PET owner. That's not me. So U KEEP that argument, as it suits U PERFECTLY. I'll concern myself w/ a dog's working abilty & working & titling the dog AS A TESTAMENT to preserve that ability. So you just stick w/ the masses of PET owners.
cutglove 2 years ago
Indeed. I am correct in that MOST people couldn't give two shits, and hence the MAJORITY couldn't give two shits, and hence I speak for the majority. I still don't see how calling me a pet owner is supposed to belittle me, but you just run along and have a good old time with your working pets.
WiggaMachiavelli 2 years ago
Wiggamachiavelli,
So now, after I've gotten you to admit what I knew FROM YOUR FIRST POST, which is you know NOTHING about dogs & your TOSA claim is based simply on your playing on YOUTUBE, you make your silliest claim yet..."
I'm sure that if I decided to waste my time on learning to use dogs in a completely pointless (to me) way, I would be more than capable of training dogs. "
Don't bet on it. It's an art. Just stick to your little pets, like the other morons who can only handle that.
cutglove 2 years ago
Oh, this is great. I never once said that I was not talking about the dog in general, and yet you think I've denied doing so, and that by admitting to doing so when I have been all along, and not denied it, I've made some great revelation. Oh my, your mystical powers of magical deduction certainly are impressive. I would most happily bet on my ability to learn how to train dogs. I'm certain I could, if I devoted myself to it, train dogs very well. After all, even YOU can do it...
WiggaMachiavelli 2 years ago
WiggaMachiavelli,
"I would most happily bet on my ability to learn how to train dogs. I'm certain I could, if I devoted myself to it, train dogs very well. After all, even YOU can do it...
Great stuff. YOU'RE the guy who thinks POTENTIAL & PERFORMANCE are equal. You make a comment based on what you THINK you COULD do, rather than what you have DONE. Know what I call guys like YOU? JERKOFF. Here's a suggestion. Put on a bite-suit and take a few hits from a dog. Then get back to me.
Joker
cutglove 2 years ago
So, out of interest, (and this is not at all relevant, I promise), but do you think that, assuming you've never done it before, you could go out in a single-scull rowboat and win a national level race? No? Then what if you'd had years of training, and were quite good at it? More likely, right? I lied, it was relevant. My point is, that even if I was physically ill-suited to playing with dogs, I could (time and interest permitting) learn to train them just as well as you. Waste of time, though.
WiggaMachiavelli 2 years ago
WiggaMachiavelli
" I never once said that I was not talking about the dog in general, and yet you think I've denied doing so..."
I don't THINK you've denied anything. What I KNOW is what I have repeatedly stated since your FIRST post. You are a PET owner. Your knowledge of dogs doesn't exceed the average pet owner who chooses a dog for COMPANIONSHIP & has ZERO ability to judge nor develop working ability. THAT knowledge is the basis of this discussion. YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT!
cutglove 2 years ago
Well, you decided to act like it's a huge, amazing discovery that you made, and the fact that you thought you knew what I was talking about from the first comment, and then got it WRONG, should impress me, and act as an argumentative trump card. I pose this question to you; if you have a fully grown, powerful Tosa Inu, and a fully grown, powerful (for its breed) Pit Bull, of the best possible quality in terms of suitability for work, which will be better suited?
WiggaMachiavelli 2 years ago
WiggaMacciavelli,
Hey we're FINALLY in agreement on something. You DO speak for the majority. The fat, lazy masses who "COULDN'T GIVE TWO SHITS." Yes, YOU SURE DO!! And they definitely are YOUR KIND OF PEOPLE. You're with the masses who haven't the knowledge, committment, discipline, nor work ethic to take a dog w/ working ability & drive, an increasingly rare thing in modern society, and dedicate your time, effort, and love into PRESERVING that ability. Man, I'm PROUD to be in the MINORITY.
cutglove 2 years ago
Another great, big generalisation.
"Anyone who is uninterested in training dogs is a fat idiot with no commitment, discipline, or work ethic."
I would imagine that there are an immense amount of activites which take far more commitment, discipline, work ethic, technical knowledge, and physical fitness to successfully participate in than dog training. The fact of the matter is, MOST people have BETTER things, by their own logic and rationalisation, to spend their time doing.
WiggaMachiavelli 2 years ago
WiggaMachiavelli,
"I would imagine that there are an immense amount of activites which take far more commitment, discipline, work ethic, technical knowledge, and physical fitness..." You WOULD IMAGINE...Just like you would IMAGINE the Tosa is better suited to ROBUST WORK? LOL! Just like you WOULD IMAGINE that you COULD train dogs? LOL! Well, I WOULD IMAGINE I'd be a wonderful astronaut if only I spent the time & work to become one. But since I didn't, I won't lecture about space flight. GET IT?
cutglove 2 years ago
Not quite. I don't remember the part where I was lecturing you. What I do remember, however, is the part where I made an innocent comment, and you leapt down my throat and decided to start an argument with me for no real reason other than being offended that I preferred one breed of dog to the breeds you keep as pets.
WiggaMachiavelli 2 years ago