"Black people" as tithing in LDS church - RACISM!

[ShastaCohen]

wow, that hair

[jferristube]

@Cheshu1 Shall I tell you the law of god in regard to the African race?Reported by G. D. Watt.

Theryago.As reported by someone else.

I seem to remembr the prophet Joshua slaughtering everyone in Jericho.Men women and children.Moses did the same thing at Sainai when all those who did not want to follow him and accept him as a prophet were all slaughtered.Men woman and children.Explain that.

[TheOriginalAnalogKid]

Go to mormon dot org for the truth.

[Alliedjon12]

can we just say mormons are fucking retarded and move on with out life?

[chadro85]

@Alliedjon12 mormons are not retarded

[Alliedjon12]

@chadro85 lol yeah they are xD hahahahah

[chadro85]

@Alliedjon12 No they're Not

[soMeRandoM670]

Try telling that to black people Mormons that they cursed??? That god made them black to stop interracial sex or stop there personality’s to breed with other personalities of righteous. Explains general behaviour but satanic. i tryed as joke since not mormon and they like No! that. stupid.

[bobbyraejohnson]

Who ever say Shawn is full of hate and not love is a dumb ass it's the truth. Don't get all mad because i said you true believing Mormons are dumb ass.it's ok I was a dumb ass for believing that church of Joseph smith too but don't say Shawn is full of hate because he puts out facts pointing out why it's not Christian and you don't like it. you are worse than the hippies who say peace and love and then when soldiers get back from Vietnam they spit in their face. If I said I was going to make a

[peaceliberty4all]

Shawn, Shawn, Shawn you left out all the Christian religions who held those same views. You left out that Joseph Smith gave the priesthood to a black man. You left out that Brigham Young made laws that slaves be given education and be treated well. I hope Shawn that one day Christ really will come into your heart and remove the apparent hatred you have for the lds church and replace it with love and peace.

[54v115]

“The first principle is that you must not fool yourself, and you are the easiest person to fool”.

This is more true than you realise. It’s true because when you’ve fooled yourself, you don’t know it. You convince yourself that you haven’t fooled yourself, and you develop a conviction, a faith, a belief about it. You'll be quite irrational in defence of this belief. You won't test your belief in an empirical scientific fashion. Instead, when challenged, you'll become defensive or incredulous.

[54v115]

The mormon church has made it's members want things they don't need or exist by linking mass produced LDS doctrine and ideas to peoples unconscious desires. Out of this comes a new political idea of how to control the membership. By satisfying members inner selfish desires, the church has made it's people happy and thus docile. The start of the all consuming self, man-made idols of the self, which has come to dominate the church today. The church of Joseph Smith and his latter day saints.

[cindybin2001]

@Cheshu1 Yes, we know, we Mormons have read this stuff before. But please take the time to learn the truth. There are videos on YouTube by blacks in the church who will tell you the church is anything but racist. I'm a convert to the LDS church and would NOT join a racist church. My husband isn't even LDS and he knows the church isn't racist. There are REASONS for things--you just have to find the truth, like I did all those years ago. It takes work, but it is worth it.

[54v115]

@cindybin2001 Truth and in the absence of evidence to support the validity of the Book of Mormon as a historical document, LDS Apostle Russle M Nelson stated regarding the Book of Mormon..."...You can invite a friend to read the book of mormon. Explain that it is not a novel, or a historical book...". (see LDS dot Org).

If it's not a historical account as it's always been presented up until this statement.. what does it make the Book?

You can trust the Bible, it is a historical Book.

[cindybin2001]

@54v115 Well I can't speak for him, but I'm guessing he meant that it's not a historical book in the sense that it's not some dry, empty history book, like a text book or something. It has spiritual qualities to it, like the Bible.

[54v115]

@cindybin2001 - perhaps.. but I think Gordon made his statement in preparation for a shift in emphasis as to how the LDS view the Book. If it's not a novel, nor a Historical reference.. then it can only be either fiction or revelation... let's guess and say the mormons are moving toward the book is a work of revelation.. as to say it's fiction would place them where exactly? Given the context of his speech, I'm opting for the 'revelation' route. I was taught it was a work of historical fact.

[thesignsoflife7]

You have no idea what you're talking about, xxfinny.

Call Shawn's show and take him to task I dare you.

Mormonism is racist at its core because Young and Smith were both bigots (as well as egotists).

Smith said men lived on the moon and Young, not to be outdone, said there were men on the sun. Couple of clowns.

[xxfinny]

woah!! what the hell!!!!!!?????? Brigham Young never said that! NEVER!!! he died before then you liar!!! we are NOT racist! why do you think we send our young men to different countries for 2 years? because we hate other races? really? i feel horribly sorry for you when you have to face God thats and Jesus stands up for you. your going to feel like garbage!

[ajegb1]

@testkriftene I don't think the curse was black skin, the curse was the way people with black skin were treated. Racism, though it still exsists, has become much less prevalent..."the curse has been removed". If the church would have allowed "blacks" to hold the priesthood before 1978, the church would have been destroyed. Society was not ready for it.

[painless78]

@ajegb1 no...MORMONS were not ready for it.

[54v115]

@ajegb1 - A good point worthy of consideration.... well done!

[pissedoffmormon]

:03 "january 1953, brigham young instructed the utah legislature" That's amazing since brigham young died in 1877. Are you saying he rose from the dead? Or did he have a time machine?

[pissedoffmormon]

What's this guy gonna say next? All nazi's were jewish? All women have 12 toes? This guy is just making stuff up to troll. Obvious troll is obvious. FAIL.

[TheGoalSetter]

The fact that the masses are so gullible that we struggle so much over superfiscial difference PROVES that the masses must be ruled by an oligarchy.

The masses cannot be trusted with democracy (mob rule)...and not even with voting people in...thus, our voting system is merely an illusion of freedom.

[robbiesilverwolf]

articles of faith 1:12 we believe in being subject to kings,presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying honoring and sustaining the law

[TrickTrolan]

So this is what Barney looks like out of his purple costume! Get ur facts straight before opening that hole under ur nose brotha, not one thing u spewed from it was true!

[paulaegraham]

@TrickTrolan Please cite sources

[thallassocracy]

If God is racist, then obviously any true believer must be racist too.

There is nothing special about the LDS faith, anyone who believes nonsense, will believe nonsense.

[thesignsoflife7]

A nice quote for Mormons who claim they are not racist:

"The negroes are not equal with other races where the receipt of certain spiritual blessings are concerned, ...but this inequality is not of man's origin. it is the Lord's doing, is based on his eternal laws of justice, and grows out of the lack of spiritual valiance of those concerned in their first estate." Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 527 - 528

Key phrase: "...not of man's origin, it is the Lord's doing"

[brian8793]

The curse wasn't black skin. The black skin is a mark. The curse was put upon Caanan, that his seed would always be servants.......

Thus, the centuries and centuries of black slavery.

Sometimes you need to drop all of that political correctness nonsense when your discussing The Bible.......

[LDSWolverine]

How do you know it was not the birth mark that was the mark?

[brian8793]

Any race of people has birthmarks. This was something that EVERYBODY could recognize.

Again, black skin is not a curse.....

[LDSWolverine]

I know that, and the Mormon church does teach that blacks anyone either than white is cursed. I was born into the Religion and my family tree on my mothers sides goes back to the restoration and I am related to Parley P. Pratt but who isn't. I did my family history and he had more than one wife. Learn your church history or are you a convert that thinks he knows everything about the church brian8793

[LDSWolverine]

Thats also why I have Native American in my blood on my mothers side cause the Mormons were close to the Native Americans, real close, LOL.

[Sepheria]

Wow I didn't realize -only- the Mormon's were encouraging slavery.

Guess every single instance of racism started with Mormons.

/sarcasm off

[JakeintheBox17]

yes, since the mormons were not the only ones doing it,it's ok then.

your smart. sepheria.

[Sepheria]

You completely missed the point. But then again, for someone who is clearly anti-mormon, it doesnt surprise me.

[brian8793]

I got it, and it's The Truth. This guy is a disgruntled anti-Mormon who has nothing better to do than attack Mormons?

Notice he never has an alternative. He never has anything to offer except hatred toward Mormons...........Miserable

[camdawg7]

True, BUT almost everything he says is fact and is true. Everything he quotes are from church historical records, so his statements have some validity and need answering. Just because some quote was made in the past and the church no longer supports the idea doesn't mean the history can or should be forgotten. If someone has a question about the church's past it's quite alright to bring it up, and it's quite alright to answer them.

[brian8793]

@camdawg7

I guess you make a good point.

[NHisMage]

No, not every single instance of racism started with Mormons. However, Mormonism is one of the more recent religions to have a racist god (or rather racist false prophets) and racist doctrine.

[comndenominator]

@Sepheria Would it make you feel better if people acknowledged that other religions also encouraged racsim? OK, "other religions encouraged racism too." Now lets get back to mormons. Mormons are so racist that they actually have racism written as scripture. Other religions may have racist preachers with a racist take on non-racist scripture, but they dont have racist scripture. Until racist scripture is publicly acknowledged, apologized for and removed, mormons will also be seen as a racist cult

[Sepheria]

@comndenominator why stop there then? USA is one giant racist cult then, and will always be seen as it.

[comndenominator]

@Sepheria Yes, the USA earned that label for quite awhile and is still working hard to erase that label, while the tea partiers, FOX News, and the US south love the label. The major difference between the USA and mormons is that, 1) mormons are a religious group who's god is supposedly infallible whereas US laws etc, were written by men who are fallible; 2) The US apologized for its legacy of racism and removed the text. Mormons cant because it would mean admitting your GOD was wrong--and human

[Sepheria]

lawl

[comndenominator]

@Sepheria I have to admit I don't understand your code lawl. Please translate or elaborate

[Sepheria]

@comndenominator i just find it funny that there are these massive responses to stuff like this, go find something better to do with your free time for fucks sake.

[comndenominator]

@Sepheria And I always find it funny that people like you ridicule people for making comments on this site, yet you are constantly making comments yourselves. But youre using the typical defense mechanism for people who can't defend themselves (or their religion) with rational, logical, coherent responses to basic questions. Always good at attacking those who bring to light the disgusting mormon racism, yet never criticize the disgusting mormon racism itself. Isnt racism worthy of criticism?

[comndenominator]

@Sepheria And instead of telling us to 'Go find something better to do with your free time for fucks sake.' You may want to take that advice yourself instead of spending time engulfed in a religion which has fundamentals so vile that you can't even own up to them..for fuck sake

[Sepheria]

@comndenominator did I ever say I was Mormon?

[comndenominator]

@Sepheria You jumped in and began defending mormons against charges of racism. At that point you can call yourself whatever you want to, but its your words which will define you. If you started defending the kkk, or the nazis, it wouldnt be a stretch for people to assume you are a kkk or nazi member, or at the very least, a kkk or nazi sympathizer. If you defended the catholic church against the indefensible history of child rape, one might assume youre catholic. Who else would defend it?

[comndenominator]

@Sepheria Did you even bother researching the history of the lds church before you commented? The racism's there. It has never been, or will ever be stripped from any lds document. Why? Because it supposedly came directly from god. The church would erode if they started to remove the prophets/gods writings one by one. Thats what makes lds unique. Its text, and its racism, is written profoundly in modern times, in the age of the printing press, by modern prophets/gods, then taught as mormon law

[Sepheria]

@comndenominator and how is your life effected by this? Are the Mormons persecuting you because of your race? I simply don't understand why people like this care so much about what other people do with their lifestyle/religion if it affects them in no way whatsoever other than to make them feel better about themselves to rag on other people and what they believe in regardless of what it is.

[comndenominator]

@Sepheria That may very well be the most idiotic thing ive heard in quite awhile. If people dont know whats behind the mask, then they tend to take the surface version of things. Case in point, blacks marched with mormons in the whole prop 8 ordeal. If we were knowledgeable of how mormon theology condemned us, & we found it despicable and untrue, then why would we hold hands with mormons and join them in their crusade against another group because that group was also condemned in lds theology?

[comndenominator]

@Sepheria And any vile part of any major religion affects us all. It affects laws, it affects what is taught in school, and it affects job hiring, it affects legal sentencing, and much more. Should we not enumerate the offenses of the catholic church? It hasn't 'affected me' as you say, but it affects society tremendously. These people, who declare it a sin to practice any form of birth control, yet turn a blind eye to child rape, are people who influence law and morality around the world.

[comndenominator]

@Sepheria And let me ask you the same question you asked me? How does it affect you and/or the mormons if two gay people got married? Why are mormons so adamant about the issue? Why did they invest tens of millions of dollars, and various other resources, to keep gays from marrying? Mormons do alot of persecuting, but pretend to be the persecuted. I lived in heavily mormon areas in 3 states and it affected many things including drinking laws, and though i dont drink i still found it disturbing

[comndenominator]

@Sepheria And to be clear, I was not referring to you as an idiot when said 'that was the most idiotic thing ive heard...' I hope it did not come off that way, and if it did I apologize. I in no way meant to call you an idiot.

[comndenominator]

@Sepheria Have you nothing more to say? Now do you get the point of why its important to keep tabs on these things? Do you see how a group so steeped in racism might anger or frighten others especially when the group promotes itself as good, wholesome, and honest. When racism is ingrained in a group, it blinds them. Here in the year 2010 the southern states want to honor confederates, a group who FOUGHT A WAR because they believe they have a right to own slaves. Southern people still believe it.

[comndenominator]

@Sepheria Southern people pass themselves off as the most religious people, yet they are also the most racist. So The Bible Belt=The Bigot Belt. Southern people are blind to the contradictions. They think everything they do, or have done, is covered under gods law. Its a very scary. Mormon scripture is rife with unrepentant racism which is also supposedly passed down from god. Think sometimes, from the standpoint of person on the receiving end of the abhorrent scripture. Its very scary thinking

[shutupstupid9]

@comndenominator realy go to sanfrasico you will see racist left wing assholes !

[comndenominator]

@Sepheria Even the Protestant faith, whos racist teachings from its religious leaders have spawned such hate groups as the KKK, and rivals lds in its legacy of racism, has apologized for its leaders purposely misinterpreting scripture to help endorse their own racist beliefs. But interpretations are just that, interpretations. LDS scripture needs no interpretation because it is not ambiguous, it is pure, vile, racism. It is WRITTEN as racist scripture not merely INTERPRETED as racist scripture

[1231violin]

President Manson SHOULD, YES!!! SHOULD APPOLYZE to the AFRICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY, TO THE NATIVE AMERICANS AND TO LATIN AMERICAN cuz of the MORMON DOCTRINE BACKGROUND!!!!!!!!!! And history!!!!,

[brian8793]

I'm confused here. Did the Mormons have slaves? I've always had the understanding that they didn't, but maybe you know something I don't.......

[LDSWolverine]

Almost anyone living in that time who was white and rich could afford a slave and used them as expendable machines brian8793. I think the church had enough money to buy slaves. Christians had slaves as well, so did our Government.

[1231violin]

thing implemented in the natives about pure racial breeds, SPANIARDS were a lot more integrated with NATIVES AND BLACKS, than BRIT, did in North America, Australia and Polynesia

I think Brigham Young is the reencarnation of the french Jean Calvin, when the hugonotes and protestants had a war in France and France kicked the hugonets out of their country and Jean Calvin was very well accepted in Germany, England and Scandinavian Countries, but not Spain, Italy or France!!

thanks

[1231violin]

and he was the mormon doctrine teacher at BYU hawaii campus, yeah!!!! I couldn't believe her when she told me that her father wanted that child to give up for adoption, UNBELIEVABLE, and so called CHRISTIAN PERSON!!!!, and saw a lots of PREJUDICEM in OAHU, Hawaii, in the mormon colonies of LAIE, OAHU, HAWAII!!, exactly the same ones like in the MORMON TOWNS IN CHIHUAHUA, MEXICO!!!, thank goodness Spaniards came to LATINAMERICA and integrated faster then Brits!!! at least we don't have that SUP.

[1231violin]

leave the polynesians ALONE!!!, don't try to implement them a wasp mormon culture, there's the BYU Hawaii Campus, which I've been there, and saw a lots a lots of unhappy people with the white HOWLY professors!!!, as a matter of fact on the Mormon Teachings professor's daughter got pregnant from a young polynesian dark complection guy in BYU-hawaii and he wanted her to give up his grand child for adoption cuz he was half white and half polynesian, (HAPAHOWLY), and he was the Mormon Doctrine teach

[1231violin]

Fray Bartolome de las Casas, a Spanish Jesuite wrote that they were many IRISH CATHOLICS who switched out to the Mexican side during the war because of the ugly mormon killings to the natives and mexicans and IRELAND has always been Celtic and Catholic!!, like Northern Spain, and latinamerican for 500 years we received the spanish latin culture, LANGUAGE don't change it!! NO wasps, plis...and why convert the POLYNESIANS to a protestant culture, why???? leave them with their beautiful culture

[1231violin]

but of course the SPANIARDS 180 degrees different from the BRITS, which they were escaping from being hunted for their believes in PURITANS, CALVINIST, ARIAN, prejudiced mentality heading to North America, and mormons are the Jean Calvin's followers, a french phylosopher theologist, who believed in the Pure Arian Race!!, and that's how Brigham Young believed also, and of course J. S., PURE ARIAN BREED!! :O Brigham Young believed that slavery was gods chosen will. he called blacks JAM!!, yauk!

[1231violin]

..american census, you'll see the HUGE DIVISION OF Races, every single city goes like this: FOUR QUARTERS: on one quarter of the city that's the hispanic section, on the other quarter, the chinese, on the other quarter the blacks and on the last quarter the blacks, and that's on every single city in USA, but check Brazil, Puerto Rico, Dom. Republic, every body IS MIXED FROM A 500 YEARS AGO!!!!!!!!! SPANIARDS GOT INTEGRATED WITH INDIANS AND BLACKS 500 YEARS AGO!!!!!!!!!!!GOT IT!!!, no WASPS PLIS

[1231violin]

I hate when these Anglo, Protestant, White, Calvinistic, (Jean Calvin) Bigget, Prejudice, narrowminded, so called self rightous, with the left hand you got your bible and with your right hand you've got your rifle, mormon missionaries and their ignornant mentality come into latinamerican and try to implement their WASP mentality to latin culture, hey, Spain cross the COLOR LINE 500 YEARS AGO!!!!, GOT IT!, USA can't cross that line color YET!!, what I mean by that? just check on the american

[1231violin]

and there's a huge list of their so "christian behaviour"mormon history from 19th century, Claude Bowman was the first Mexican Missionary, I believe his parents were born in Pacheco, Chihuahua, Mexico, he's an anglomexican mormon from the mormon towns in Chihuahua, he once said: "that he was the only authority In the mexican mission and that he was the KAISER, so nobody would contradict him", those are his own words. I know Claudio Bowman and his family, Rascist, Rascist, Bigget, Bigget, Bigget

[1231violin]

...like they used to do in the State of Georgia, or southern states with the black slaves, the favorite sports for mormons were human hunting (mexicans and "negroes" as they used to named them, not blacks but "negroes",) and these were mormon cowboy cattle ranchers, during the year 1850 thru 1890 in the City of L.A, CA, a mexican dark complection girl got lynched by the mormons, in a city called Downieville, Ca., in the year 1873 Teofilo Trujillo got lynched by mormons in the State of Colorado

[1231violin]

want to let you know also about: F. S. Dellenbough readings: and I quote: during the Mormon Batallion they erected a monument for the "great mormon soldiers"that fought the mexican/american war". page 134, so what they did is that during 1847 is that many mormons killed a lots a lots of mexicans in New Mexico, Colorado, Texas, and Capt. Cooke contratulate them (mormons), during the year 1850 many mexicans were sold by the mormons and were lynched by the mormons, in the state of California

[tastefulphrasing]

Could you tell me where brigham says, we must believe in slavery? PLEASE!!!

[dragonfreke]

Yes, please tell us where you get your sources!

[DSkeptic2444]

Sorry to disappoint you KakkoiGuy, but the man who carried or helped Jesus carry his cross was from Carthidge, Libya. Study your history and geographics. Libya is Africa. Now I know that you may go into cardiac arrest when you hear this, but JESUS WAS ALSO A BLACK PERSON OF COLOR. Now take a deep breath and relax. He was an Afro-Asiatic man who was born in the land of Ham (Bethleham of Judea).

DSkeptic

[Doliath]

Simon of Cyrene was from...Cyrene, not Carthage. Still in Libya, though. Nevertheless, it is also debatable whether Simon was African or a member of the recent Jewish colony there.

[oldstock1607]

hmmm.......black israelite?

[DSkeptic2444]

Black skin can NEVER and WILL NEVER be cursed. That means that your mama is cursed: EVE was the mother of civilization out of Africa.

[zoetropez]

Mormons would never allow Jesus Christ in their church b/c he would be too dark.

If you want to join a religion that is really really Fed up, become a Moron. But get ready to pay! Bigamy costs big bucks and tithing is mandatory in the Moron church of LDS (Lemmings, Douchebags, Satanists)

[54v115]

@zoetropez - Mormons don't allow Jesus into the church of Jo Smith... you're right! LDS = Lotta Dollarsh....

[cindybin2001]

@zoetropez I'm a convert to the LDS church and we have lots of blacks! Anybody can join! The blacks do not feel the church is racist in any way. They understand the doctrines and the reasons behind them. I personally would never join a racist church. I'm always chastising people online who use the n-word, etc. Also, I have rarely tithed, since my husband is a non-member and I don't work outside the home. But I'm still a member of the Church, everybody accepts me.

[cindybin2001]

@zoetropez I'm a convert to the LDS church and this is just sooooo untrue! Mormons are not racist. I would not join a racist church. There are videos on YouTube by black Mormons who know that the church is not racist. They understand. I'm not going to go into everything here, it's too long, and you have to have the holy spirit present or it won't do any good. But honestly, Mormons are ANYTHING BUT RACIST. My husband isn't LDS and he understands this!

[cindybin2001]

@zoetropez It's just unbelievable that THIS is the highest-rated comment on this board. I can't believe Internet people! How can they be so shallow, so "in the dark" when it comes to the truth? But I know how things get started, and people don't take the time to learn. Before I started investigating the LDS church years ago, I had no idea what Mormons were about! I even wondered if they were like the Amish, riding around in buggies, no makeup, etc. I also didn't know if they believed in Jesus!

[IRISHBUDDAFILTH]

@DSkeptic2444 I agree with you and millions of others do too!!! LDS believes that the Garden of Edan was in Missouri !!!

[RUR482i]

For you who are mormon here I want you to think about this........ Mr. Smith saw an angel of light right? Satan is called thee angel of light. I think he was talking to satan. Dont forget satan wants to destroy humanity what better way then to decieve people into thinking there following God? Remember what Christ said "many will come in my name saying I am the Christ" usually people think that - thats a person whos to say it cant be the devil himself or his demons? Think about it.

[KakkoiGuy1]

of sin! Jesus became sin for us all! So even those of dark skin when they accepted him were no longer under the curses of sin. I debunk this theory all the time. It really sets people free because it teaches the nature of Salvation Through Jesus across the board when we come to know him as Lord and Savior. The church still teaches these things about Blacks' skin being the curse of Cain and Ham. Many young people even know this. Sad. Preach on SHAWN!!!

[KakkoiGuy1]

Remeber that Ham wasn't cursed by God. Noah cursed CANAAN (Ham's Son) after Ham saw Noah drunk and naked. Gen. 9 20-27 . Two, they say that Blacks are the also the children of Cain and the mark of Cain was black/dark skin as well. Cains seed all died in the flood! 3. Even if all that was true, the Bible said that Jesus died for the WHOLE WORLD and BECAME A CURSE (when he died on the cross taking all our sins and curses upon Himself) so that those who accepted him would be free from the curses

[DSkeptic2444]

KakkoiGuy, not sure if you know your history, but Adam and Eve, Cain and Abel, Noah, Abraham, Moses, the Hebrews, Israelites and Jews of the Old and New Testament were black. LOL!

[KakkoiGuy1]

could be taken as scripture! He also said that Blacks were to NEVER hold the priesthood and that it would NEVER happen. God's word never changes. Revelations come but they don' change his previous word. In 1978 they allowed Blacks to be priests and claimed that it was revelation but God says his word stays the same and so does He. So 2 things, Brigham wasn't a prophet because if he was, this would have never happened. Two, it shows how the church changes doctrine! 1 Nephi 12:23, 2 Nephi 5:21- 23

[KakkoiGuy1]

This is something the I mention quite often to LDS members and their missionaries. The Bible speaks about what makes a prophet a prophet. All the words that He spoke were supposed to had come to pass and if that man spoke a word from the lord that didn't, he was to be put to death because he was a false prophet. This meant the Lord really didn't speak through him. Both Brigham Young and Joseph Smith spoke many "prophecies (they propheLIED) that didn't come to pass. Brigham said that his words

[mormonmilitia]

Brigham Young also said that the white race would be cursed if they continued to treat blacks like brute animals. look it up and neg me all you want, bitches.

[mormonmilitia]

"If the Government of the United States, in Congress assembled, had the right to pass an anti-polygamy bill, they had also the right to pass a law that slaves should not be abused as they have been; they had also a right to make a law that negroes should be used like human beings, and not worse than dumb brutes. For their abuse of that race, the whites will be cursed, unless they repent."- Brigham Young

[mormonmilitia]

Joseph Smith Said that black slaves should be brought "into a free country and set ...free—Educate them and give them equal rights." and "it makes my blood boil within me to reflect upon the injustice, cruelty, and oppression of the rulers of the people,"

[anonazero]

liars lie.

its what they do.

[mormonmilitia]

indeed

[anonazero]

so why are you shocked that joseph smith and his comrades lied?

joseph smith was in all likelyhood a sociopath.

[mormonmilitia]

tell me how they lied.

[anonazero]

just the whole making up stories for attention that spawned a religion that pretends to be christian when in fact has almost nothing to do with the new testiment (christ's message), does not recognize jesus christ as one and only true God, and has duped lots of good people into believing a load of crap.

just that stuff.

[mormonmilitia]

keep it on the subject at hand, hater.

[anonazero]

i dont hate you. i love you, thats why i'm giving you truth.

[Ariontor]

hold on for one second! i'm a Mormon and i love the church and i like the quotes of prophets you've added in, but you can't swear like that while defending what's right! keep on defending the church, but do it how Christ would.

[mormonmilitia]

yeah. mormons are racist slave owners. that's why we were driven out of missouri. NOT.

[JohnRhysMusician]

No member nor the church promises to be perfect. I am a bi-racial LDS member, born and raised and I find this offensive.

[freaky1654]

uhm. Half the country believed in slavery back then. It was normal back then. Do we believe in slavery NOW? No. Did we believe in it back when it was normal to believe in it? Many did. Along with half, if not most of our country. What does that have to do with NOW? Sure, it's part of our history and all. I'm glad it is part of our history. Makes us learn from our mistakes so we don't repeat them in the future.

[Tavlo]

The difference is that the DOCTRINE that Joseph Smith created, is that black people have a curse on them. The idea is that they were born with black skin as a curse for not taking sides in the pre-existence.

This has nothing to do with slavery, but with the DOCTRINE that blacks are lesser people than whites. That is NOT biblical.

[freaky1654]

We do not teach nor believe that African-Americans are less than whites. Same goes for Asians, Europeans, Latinos, Pacific Islanders, everyone. Do you have any scriptural references stating this? That whites are the superior race over blacks? Just curious...

[Tavlo]

Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be so.

Author: Brigham Young

Source: Journal Of Discourses

Volume: 10

Page: 110

[Tavlo]

You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind.

Author: Brigham Young

Source: Journal Of Discourses

Volume: 7

Page: 291

[Tavlo]

It was well understood by the early elders of the Church that the mark which was placed on Cain and which his posterity inherited was the black skin. The Book of Moses informs us that Cain and his descendants were black.

Author: Joseph Fielding Smith

Source: Way To Perfection

Page: 107

[mormonmilitia]

indeed, that was so, until they received the Gospel.

[Tavlo]

"indeed, that was so, until they received the Gospel. "

mormonmilitia... they DID receive the true Gospel about 2000 years ago.

:-)

[mormonmilitia]

really? which of the apostles ministered to them? were there any Cushites in Jerusalem at that time, professor? It is more likely that the Europeans brought it to them in the 1700-1900s.

[Tavlo]

Acts 8

Philip ministers to an Ethiopian man.

The true gospel is for EVERYONE who hears and believes. You don't have to have special skin, hair, eyes, bloodlines, education, relatives, friends, relations or even secret handshakes. Jesus died for us ALL.

[mormonmilitia]

that is all true, but even today, the African continent is largely heathen.

[Tavlo]

A large part of the North American continent is largely heathen too. :-)

[RUR482i]

Not true. There are a lot of Christians in Africa and a lot in I forget which part are black jews! Did you forget when Christ fell from carrying the cross a black man was made to pick up the cross to help carry it? I wonder about that....... do the blacks suffer along with the jews because in a way they both still carry the cross? Something to wonder about. Everyone at any given time has suffered either as a group or as an individual so who knows.

[KakkoiGuy1]

Do the scriptures say that he was Black or have you just been watching passion of the Christ? Let's stick to scripture.

[DSkeptic2444]

RUR482i, I don't mean to come across as a racist, but the ancient Jews, which were an offspring of the Hebrew (Arbaham) people were black peoples. Don't be surprised that when Jesus, the Messiah comes back to judge the world that this world bows before a (as many whites would call blacks) nigga! Sorry to put it so bluntly but that's the world that we live in.

[mormonmilitia]

Joseph Smith was an outspoken abolitionist. That is part of the reason the Church was so unpopular in Missouri....a slave state.

[jason6824]

perhaps...

did he write these feelings in Egyptian? After all, he WAS the only man in the world at the time who could translate the language, right? Who needs the rosetta stone when you've got joseph smith to decipher the Egyptian language?

[WayneTheWriter]

I agree. Mormons are the abolitionist, and those racist Americans hated mormons for it. That's why there ARE black mormons during Smith and Brigham Young's time. There are more black mormons nowadays.

[mormonmilitia]

"The Mormon Church does not believe, nor does it teach, that the Negro is an inferior being. Mentally, and physically, the Negro is capable of great achievement, as great and in some cases greater than the potentiality of the white race. He can become a lawyer, a doctor, a scientist, and he can achieve great heights." -Joseph Fielding Smith

[WayneTheWriter]

That was years before the blacks has the priesthood, again, no racism.

[johnyjamie]

Why does the LDS god keep changing his mind?

[tillerGeneric]

I hope that in 50 years from now, Christians and Mormons will say the same thing about the gay rights they're all so vehemently fighting against today.

"Back then it was normal, but we've learned from the mistakes that our religion told us to believe. Now that it's socially unacceptable to refuse gay rights, God's 'law' has changed as well."

Don't you think the fact that revelations your religion claimed were from God continually change is at least a little suspicious?

[anonazero]

the christian God has never changed his law.

the mormon one, however...

[Tavlo]

Your prophets said it freaky... according to your religion, what the prophet says is doctrine and scripture.

[uSoBayArea]

omiolo where you at.....omiolo...omiolo

[blackblade789]

omiolo? That mealy mouthed blowhard?

Probably off listening to old Paul H Dunn firesides.

[solarisgalrocks]

lol i wonder when the LDS curse of being a female will now be removed : The type where a man gets to marry multiple women. I just don't know how people do it these days!

[ofreshartist]

I guess he didn't know that the Jews were so called "black people". Deuteronomy 28:48 ; 68 - Rev 2:9; 3:9