Look at the guys, they just repeat the same cut over and over and over again. Plus, they use no lunges.
The ability to lunge fast and come back equally fast is a trademark of a fencer. As I said, it's all in the footwork. Those guys don't have it - sorry.
The old ad hominem attack, eh? I am old, and out of shape too, that's true. But I used to teach longsword in our group - here in Czech, it has a lot of tradition. And I was good. Not excellent, but good and respected. But what's important, I met some amazing fencers back then. So I can tell good technique from bad. This is bad. You know why? The footwork is shoddy, the attacks don't aim against body, but they just "clang-clang" to make a good show.
There is no need to be harsh in one's judgment of this rendition. For this is what I believe the video was intended to be...an entertaining rendition of the Polish sabre. As a martial artist and swordsman I thoroughly enjoyed the dramatic effect. I suspect that the gentleman and his sons have much actual skill and that their detractors may be unpleasantly surprised were they to cross swords with these men. Bravo!! Well done.
to all of you smartasses who complain that this is very basic fencing, parry reposte parry reposte: that is what real sword, sabre and other fighting is all about. No need for extremely elaborate, risky manoevres... As long as you don't get hit and you do hit the other guy.
If you think this is gay, go put on your white pansy suits, learn your foil hit rules and attach your electrical cable to see when someone is hit.
Real fencers need no complicated system to see if someone is hit.
Granted, they're using real heavy swords and wearing no protection, and that takes guts.
But the fencing isn't all that impressive. Ignoring the fact that the only decisive actions happen when they grapple and come apart, they are using the same attack and the same parry over and over and over. Their fencing couldn't be more basic.
But damn, after having protection is important when I fence olympic style saber this seem frightening! Especially since they're using friggin heavy sabers!
абсолютно бредовая техника махания сабли в шпажной стойке, и совершеннийший дебилизм пытаться заколоть саблей в дуэле))) Наши ляшские недруги попросту набрали шпажистов, дали им в руки сабли и заставили махать на камеру, видимо саблистов в жече посполитой без моря уже совсем нет, а писали про сохранение давних школ и традиций)) шаолинь мля))) Поедьте за Дон и вам покажут как надо действительно работать с саблей, в ее варианте без гарды и будет вам счастье.
@84kaskad наглядное видео тут на ютюбе есть? Я смотрел семинар некоего, как я понял, матерого польского саблиста, он показывал технику, которая очень близка к этому видео.
@owdaan Uprawiam od lat szermierke pojedynkowa. Ta walka (tak na serio) jest na pokaz i od strony technicznej jest nudna, bo w kolka walkuje sie 2 zaslony - 1 - 5, 1-5 itd. Jeden raz za caly filmik byla czwarta.
@owdaan Uprawiam od lat szermierke pojedynkowa. Ta walka (tak na serio) jest na pokaz i od strony technicznej jest nudna, bo w kolko walkuje sie 2 zaslony - 1 - 5, 1-5 itd. Jeden raz za caly filmik byla czwarta.
Ten filmik przedstawia specyficzny styl walki, o którym Ty jeśli zajmujesz się "szermierką pojedynkową" (co nota bene jest mało precyzyjnym określeniem) nie masz raczej pojęcia.
@BlackShinobiShozoku I haven't seen any tests on testing the durability of the products of different lamination methods, but I'd wager that they don't produce a significantly different result.
Modern steels don't require any folding at all, they're almost completely homogeneous. The folding process just homogenizes carbon content in that specific billet of steel, with modern industrial processes that's only really desirable for aesthetic purposes.
I have argued about almost every European sword. From Spain to Poland the statement are the same, “my sword is better than the katana”. According to every European fanboy LARPer their sword is obviously better than Katana (and you’re stupid for not agreeing). If they are as correct as they think they are, then every single sword is better than the Katana. Yet the Katana sets the standard that ever LARPer has to compair their sword too. nobody compairs their sword to the Kriegsmesser
That's because katana gained so much publicity over the years (thanks to cartoons and C-class movies) that in popular culture and among the LARPers ;-) it's perceived as some kind of unearthly uber weapon. The thruth is, most cultures in centuries time developed what eventually became the most effective killing tools and techniques to use them. You can't tell nor prove that any of them is clearly superior to the other. This applies to the Japanese art of sword as well.
That's because katana gained so much publicity over the years (thanks to cartoons and C-class movies) that in popular culture and among the LARPers ;-) it's perceived as some kind of unearthly uber weapon. The thruth is, most cultures in centuries time developed what eventually became the most effective killing tools and techniques to use them. You can't tell nor prove that any of them is clearly superior to the other. This applies to the Japanese art of sword as well.
@KissakiSan Sabre fencing is by no means limited to parade-riposte system. It's most common though as most modern day schools teach Polish sabre based on XIX military drills and sports sabre. Still, you can defend and counter attack in one fluent movement where you use parry as a swing for your own attack. Hard to do properly in a fast-paced sabre fight but extremely effective. Another way is to block opponent's blade while hitting with your own attack (sort of like longsword master cuts).
sabres are faster than katanas, but they are two entirely different styles. Sabres focus on parry and riposte where as katanas focus on one to two hit kills. Fencing is fast and less accurate where as kendo is slow yet quick and accurate attacks. You cannot compare the two
lol you're so silly. Actually I think you're just a Polish and Sabre fanboy. I am an actual Jujutsuka.(Practitioner of Traditional Japanese Jujutsu). Within my lineage of Jujutsu we retain the Kenjutsu within our lineage as well. So I am also trained slightly in Kenjutsu(I am still very much a beginner)
But I know enough to know this sabre and the way it's being used is very effective in comparison to an actual Nihonto and Kenjutsu. -cont
@Pepe87ms I look all over for construction of the szabla. I do not find it. So obviously this wasn't a very complex construction of sword. Which is probably why it is so light and "fast"
Being faster doesn't make a sword superior. Being able to kill more effectively makes a sword superior, and having a durable sword. This is what a true Nihonto does. Due to its complex design of the honsanmai construction. Which reinforces the edge of the blade. -cont
Theres no such a thing as superior sword anway... depending on how the swords are made, katana breaks quite easly, wich is a side effect of its cutting power. If you want truly durable sword go with highland broadsword.
On horseback Katana is nearly worthless, as footman weapon it's too long and hard to use. As duel weapon, it tends to kill opponent rather than injure him. Theres more to weapon than it's lethality.
It does good for what it is made for. That's what makes it superior. The Tachi was used for horseback...
The weapon is too long? How is 27-32inch blade too long? A nihonto is even in cutting power and durability. You don't want too much of something and lack too much of another. That is not superior quality.
Either way... If you like the broadsword that's fine. I prefer Nihonto. In fact in war swords was only backup... longer weapons were ALWAYS preferred(such as spear)
@Pepe87ms This sword may injure... but my Nihonto will cut off your limb. And why are they constantly and deliberately blocking with their poorly made sword? They stand in front of each other and hop backwards and forwards. Rather than move off centerline. There should be a lot of slight movements of the body off the center to find a dead angle. Avoid going Toe-To-Toe with your opponent.
The flash sabre attacks were meant to eliminate opponent from a fight not to cut him to pieces :). The sabre blade was made the similar way to the Japanese swords with the exception that metallurgy in XVIIc. Europe was couple centuries ahead of that in Japan. As for durability: you can hit a hussar sabre with a flat of the blade against a tree using full force or try and bend it in half - it won't break. Try to do this with katana :).
Well Nihonto is made to kill... Why would you want to injure them from a fight?
And there are many construction for Japanese sword. Which one exactly are you referring too?
Because if you're referring to the Honsanmai... Then the Sabre must have three different types of metal being used? What metal is used for its inner spine? What metal is used for its outerskin? What metal is used for its edge?
Quality sabre blades were forged of 3 or 4 different types od steel: ductile for the core, high carbon, very hard steel for the edge and a composite of spring types for the flats. Selective quenching. Many sabre blades were made by the most famous manufactures in western Europe.
You misunderstood me with the durablity test. I meant it can withstand severe strain and spring back to original shape, where a japanese sword will burst like glass. Price for rigidity and sharpness
@BrodatyOlo Oh that is very similar to the japanese honsanmai construction.
You mistake the Japanese sword for being brittle... The true Nihonto can bend very far and return back to normal. You must be talking about a cheap imitation found in Western markets.
@BlackShinobiShozoku Errr, no, they aren't known for flexibility or resilience. Minimal distal taper = thick blade = stiffness. A sword like that tends to stay bent or even break catastrophically when abused, as can be seen here: watch?v=5Hy_A9vjp_s#5m50s
A katana made with modern steels for martial arts use is generally far more capable of taking punishment than a nihonto. Tamahagane has nothing on modern steels in performance, though it is an impressive technical achievement in its own right.
@halfassedfart It has to do with the design... the honsanmai design takes punishment extremely well. Moderns steels are superior in the fact that it doesn't have as much impurities as Tamahagane does. So it doesn't require as much folding as Tamahagane does. Is that video supposed to prove something?
Who made that sword?
And how does that test prove anything besides that guy doesn't know how to use a Katana. You don't chop with a Katana you cut.
@BlackShinobiShozoku That katana are capable of breaking catastrophically when abused, just like any other sword, and that their tolerance for such is not significantly superior..
Stefan Roth. He's a German smith known for making both Japanese and European blades.
You do the same with practically any other sword. However, in this context he's testing the blades by striking a target, and obviously you can't cut through another sword.
So that is not a real Nihonto thus defeating the purpose of you showing me this?
And making the uchigatana do something it was not meant to do does not prove anything. It's not meant to be slammed against another sword. It is to be used for cutting. The tolerance of a nihonto is very much superior when it's done correctly.
Please find a real nihonto sword
With real legitimate traditional japanese swordsmith.
@BlackShinobiShozoku Not quite a nihonto, considering that the requirements for a sword to be considered one are arbitrarily strict, but Roth is well-known for making katana by traditional methods. You can verify what I'm saying quite easily by looking up his credentials.
Sooo, what you're telling me is that it will fail if you are forced into an 'oh shit' block or if it contacts a block like that? That doesn't seem to be the hallmark of a very good sword.
Only those who have traditional "Kuden" know how to make Nihonto traditionally.
In feudal Japan for "Tameshigiri" they used to test the uchigatana against steel armor. And they would make cuts. That is what a REAL Nihonto can do when wielded by a person skilled in using the Nihonto. While watching the video I saw the man use the uchigatana for tameshigiri using tatami mats. I saw from there he did not know how to use uchigatana properly.
The test they performed does not mimick the "oh shit" block.
That's a guy standing there lifting the sword up and slamming it like a hammer with all his might. That would only happen to a warrior strucken with rigor mortis.
@BlackShinobiShozoku You believe what you want, but the evidence is out there and you can verify it easily.
Reference please. I happen to know that swords are terrible against metallic armour of *any* quality (lamellar, mail, plate, scale, you name it), the best they should expect to do with a cut or strike is to crease the armour a little.
All his might? You exaggerate a little, surely. While not fully representative of a block of a sword strike, how about a polearm? Those pack a wallop.
@halfassedfart swords are actually very effective against armor. remember that most western swords are made to pierce plate armor. Even if you are fully armored getting hit with a sword hurts. Swords that slash are less effective against armor than swords that stab. The effectiveness of any blade has more to do with blade geometry than anything else really. Example the kukri. It out cuts pretty much everything(a point that cold steel agrees with(although they are not exactly the best)).
@jinnd319 Errr, no. Many weren't, and the ones that were were optimized to do so with the point. Technically, a mordschlag could count, but it's pretty apparent that I was using strikes with the bladed end in this context.
Yes, while it's not pleasant to get clocked by a full strike, you'll suffer considerably less injury than if you weren't wearing armour. The degree of effectiveness depends on the armour, you barely feel it with plate unless you were struck on a joint.
@halfassedfart depends on the armor and the sword. I admit that around 2 inches of penetration on armor is all you can get with longswords, but that's why typical finishing blows involved getting your opponent of his feet and then guiding the blade with one hand while using all of your weight behind the sword to to drive it as far in as possible.what's funny is that swords aren't as popular as axes and maces in wars during the European feudal system. swords are for the most part rich peopleweps
@jinnd319 Even if you put all your weight into stabing even through chain mail, you will not kill as the swords people claim to be are flabby(in my opinion) and bend easily.I seen a person trying to stab a jell torso, and his sword bent like crazy and he barely got it through the neck.Chain mail will allow at most only and inch of penetration.According to everywhere I looked, the only way to kill anyone with armor is to shoot arrows.Swords are useless.
@IRussian007 Arrows don't make much of a mark on plate armour, neither does a sword. The way to defeat armour is through the gaps, all armour has gaps. I also propose a different way to defeat a man in armor, aim heavy blows to his right thumb. According to experience, the thumb is the most exposed part of a swordsman's body (with simple crossguards) and therefore the best target. A thumb breaks easily and a swordsman with a broken thumb is virtually defenseless.
@IRussian007 Due to certain battlefield circumstances that made the french suffer. I guess you're referring to the battle of Agincourt, which was not in any way typical for a medieval battle. The french were lured into a bottleneck with very unfavorable ground conditions (sticky mud) they pretty much defeated themselves before the British archers came in and finished the job. Their armour was in that case their undoing. I you fall into mud, plate armour will create a vacuum whereas wool won't.
What sword sports are there that exist I have been trying to find a decent sport that involves striking you're opponent with a sword and u get a point for doing so and I still haven't been able to find one yet.
european, arabic, indian and chines swords and weapon always evolved due to constant civil continetal and invasion based warfare. notice how all those culture adoped the turko mongolic central asian sabres(or atleast a variant). never changed eventhough the chinese had already discontuned(its form i china evolved in to other heavy infantry weapons) it until the reintroduction by the japanese pirates was that katanas did not fit the ever evolving culture of war.
katana lacked evolution they merely modified after the chinese and stopped becauses the sword is the most useless weapon on the battle field. its like saying the pistol is teh most impressive weapon in today battles..... FUK NOO lances spears guns bows were the assult rifels of the ancient world the only time sword was a great weapon was in conjunction with the sield giving it assualt level status.
WWII katana were made of fail being the high demand and short time they were needed in, the fact that many techniques for making them had been diluted by peace, and that part of the reason japan entered the war was to obtain raw materials
the likes of which swords were made of also samurai started as calvary
Samurai had their ass kicked big time by MONGOLS, who were on hoarses. Samurai didn't stand a chance.
But when the mongols returned, the samurai still were on foot, however they build small fences and monglos couldn't fight on horse, they had to get off. Now they had a problem.
Also samurai would board a boat, usually 13 to a boat. They would swim to the ship of Mongols at nigh. Mongols on their ships couldn't use horses. 13 samurai could kill 50 Mongols in minutes.
@PawelKolasa actaully both invasion were on foot. since its hard to do a sea to land invasion on horse and the samurai were the only one at those battles that were fully Mounted. but they still god fuked cuz of the korean, chinese, mongol slave infatry that used lances. and gernades
@PawelKolasa My great grandfather was half-Ukrainian (besides, who is now check). My grandfather at the time was still alive when he told me stories about his father and of himself-he fought in SBr.kaw. in 1939, and his father fought for the Tsar during the war with Japan in 1905. He told how his father spoke to defend the river crossing in 20 soldiers over the river and the Japanese landings in 150 ninjas. And even eight, they managed to capture alive. A one shot-putter against the 150 knives
@Wonderousspaceman the fact that they were all made by masters and were some awsome new way of crafting quality steel is a myth and no historian. not even japanese beleive that hype. the majority of katana made durign the warring era were crap. it was only during the times of peace that the stories of how great they were came to be.
@KeepHimAtBay Nie do końca przyjacielu ;-) Szabla husarska była oskonała w walce kawaleryjskiej, idealna do walki pieszej, generalniemiała wybitne cechy użytkowe.
Film jest dobrze zrobiony na nasze warunki z ograniczonymi srodkami. Choreografia jest b.dobra.
Powinnismy stworzyc szable z drewna obite guma, i stworzyc ogolno swiatowy turniej!
Taki jak robia Japonczycy w Kendo. Kendo polega na tym, ze zaklada sie ze jest to prawdziwy katana! Wiec chodzi o jedno pchniecie lub ciecie! Jezeli sie to rozumie, to zupelnie sie inaczej to oglada i nie wyglada to na glupie okladanie sie kijami.
Polska szabla Napoleonska, bylaby chyba najlepsza bronia.
@normalukrainian Hmmm... You know... Everyone wear like this: I mean such loose-fitting pants (hajdawery) and blouse, all polish solders especially light cavalrymen - pancerni (panzers) they also were called kozacy, not only kozacy from wild fields, even szlachta wear such pants and blouse under żupan.
seems to have a little bit of wobble to it making me to belive it's like saying you took a stack of metal 1/2 inch thick and pounded it down to that shape making it flatter
@erastpetrovichfandor hmm right slice me up good , tough internet thug act now? Well wise one explain , when we think about trajectory we think about projectiles , swords on other side still connected to the hand--> body while doing its job . Is this really a trajectory if . By the way jackass , we're from same country .
@erastpetrovichfandor ok you live in a ghetto , wanna cookie or something ? you are trying to prove to me that katana and saber were ultimate weapons which are not , based on groundless speculation . Summarizes the story , no?
@erastpetrovichfandor talking about not giving facts i believe ive mentioned that dark age swords in Europe were made in folding process just like katanas no ? And i think you are misusing term trajectory .
@erastpetrovichfandor well duhhh , i think reason people learn martial arts in a first place might have something to do with not born with fighting skill , so yeah you usually wont be able do things like this without training . Anymore genius input ?
@erastpetrovichfandor i type fast but its a bloody bother , its not like you have real facts . Mostly made up fairytale by schools to look cool . I suggest quick glimpse on medieval swordmaship and crafting would be watching Mike Loads weapons that made Britain . If you are interested in detail info about crusades that's fun to read i suggest Templar Code for dummies .
i really wonder...who would win: Polish Hussaria vs Japanese Samurai with the katana's :) i really think that on the japanese side noone would survive:)
It's simple: on foot, Japanese sword is more practical because, it's longer. However it would be enough to manipulate the distance and samurai would get quickly tired. Katana's are heavy. I know because I have one from 2 world war, this is heavy stuff. Too heavy for longer fight.
On horse the Japanese wouldn't even have a chance. Katana sucks for cavalry. That's why the Samurai never developed cavalry.
spoko Paweł, nie musisz mi po angielsku tłumaczyć, jeszcze nie zrozumiem:) moim zdaniem samurai z katana wytrzymałby z minutę w walce; ale who the fuck knows
Po angielsku bylo dla tych co pisali po angielsku.
Tez mysle ze minuta by wystarczyla. Stare katany sa za ciezkie, tak jak stare miecze. Teraz sa nowe, np. z domieszki tytanu. Ale katana nie dziala na jedna reke w fechtunku. Na dwie, to tylko jest albo pchniecie albo ciecie pionowe. Wiec mozna sie spodziewac tylko 2 rodzajow ataku. Oba polegaja na fantastycznym wyczuciu DYSTANSU i manipulacji nim. Mysle ze w szabli jest za maly nacisk na manipulacje dystansem.
@erastpetrovichfandor oh dear : medieval society was extreme class society , with warriors and clergy on the top . With poor production methods , swords were rare and expensive commodity , not to mention only military tool to be exclusive to battlefield. So association is not too hard to make . Oh look at me , im so special i read books ! Well so the remaining fucking half of the fucking world .
@erastpetrovichfandor nice lies . first thing when were were learning sword in jujitsu was learning how to block , im sure trained swordsman would have no trouble deflecting or parrying katana , im not even bother mention if there was a shield/buckler involved .
@erastpetrovichfandor really you fail at history , reason katanas were prohibited to be used by peasants the symbol behind the sword representing power and authority. They were expensive toys that represented the power and might of the feudal system . If there was something good in one part of the world , rest of the world connected by trade would do its best to steal that , especially when weapons were concerned . Unless you were pompous Asian, i suppose .
@erastpetrovichfandor sabers didnt change warfare , warfare changed and swords were modified to suit current needs . No longer swords were required to cleave though man , shields , leather and mail . Katanas were only used in japan , BECAUSE they were obsolete weapons that had better counterparts on mainland .
@erastpetrovichfandor right , whoever was teaching you history : sue that bastard . For their small size crusader armies did incredible amount of dammage against saracens , small number of templars or st. john knights could turn the battle . Saladin got shit kicked out of him on number of occasion , his main advantage was that he managed to unify waring muslim factions , not advance millitary gear.
So you did fensing , does this mean you used REAL WEAPONS AGAINST REAL ARMOR ?
@erastpetrovichfandor saber is not more advance then a sword , its simply designed for a different purpose : fighting unarmored opponents , where all that quick cutting ended would come in handy . Just because western swords weren't popular in your culture its no excuse to look down on the weapon quality or manufacture .
in Poland the sword was replaced with the sabre because it was uneffective against very mobile small tatar groups. we needed something to be useful while riding a horse very fast.
@YouKnowWhatYouAre sabers are really great against lightly armored opponents ,with invention of the guns need for armor quickly faded . Asians mostly relied on the leather armor so yeah .
@YouKnowWhatYouAre That's very interesting. It also seems very different from the Western European sabre forms that ended up being incorporated into Olympic-style sport fencing, although I shouldn't be talking since I only just started reading up on it. >_<; I wonder if this has to do with the Eastern European sabres being more heavily curved? They look closer to the Asian/Middle Eastern versions of the weapon like the Talwar, Shamshir or Turkish Kilij than western European sabres tend to.
well those western werent sabres at all (talkin about Olympic-style sport fencing). western sabres comes from hungarian and polish sabres, that comes from turkish sabres:). polish sabre "black hussarka sabre" or "czarna husarka" had the most influence on western sabres. check it:. szablapolska . com / index . php / szabla-husarska
@erastpetrovichfandor right its unblockable and superior made since it takes ages to produce. Steel is still , long and inefficient process doesnt produce ultimate weapon . Unblockable my ass, there were number of curved weapons out there , if they were so unblockable great number of people would have started using them more . Have you noticed sabers became popular only after the guns were introduced , ever wondered why ?
@erastpetrovichfandor to kill people on medieval battlefield , you dont have to cut them you can just whack them hard enough to brake bones and crack their skull .
@erastpetrovichfandor dark age swords were made by process of folding same idea as katana, steel was produced for centuries problem was controlling carbon content . Improved furnaces , ability to lower impurities provided ability to mass produce quality armaments , probably better then katanas . As far as weapons are concerned i follow AK philosophy : sturdy , easy to use and reliable , all things that katana isnt .
@erastpetrovichfandor good to see people are actually buying japanese bullshit , katans were made same ways as swords in dark ages . Katana wont be able to cut though a saber , plus i would imagine sabers were made out of higher quality of steel then japanese swords as japs had very little invitation when it came to weapon making .
Sabres were tested by striking as hard as possible with flat of the blade against a tree trunk or iron rod laying on flat surface. They wouldn't brake. Try this with katana!
Katana cutting through sabre... Hmm, please! What you think sabres were made of, raw iron? Good quality sabre blade was a composite of different steels: high carbon, ultrahard steel for the edge, springing steel for core and damascus composite on the sides. All quenched selectively. Just like a good quallity katana. With only exception that europe at that time had far superior methods of making and processing steel.
One more thing concerning sabre - katana comparison. Majority of cuts in traditional Polish fencing were directed at hand and arms of the opponent. with small tsuba for a guard and both hands on the handle it would be a dream target for sabre fencer :).
The curvature ofsabre is of course 5-7cm not 50-70, sorry :)
Saber is also significantly lighter: 750-850 grams by average compared to 900 grams+ of Katana. All of this combined with unique construction of grip and thumb ring made sabre much more versatile, faster and more maneuverable than Japanese sword. The only thing in which katana outperforms sabre is strength of a cut - thanks to two handed grip.
And there is no reason and no technical difficulty why sabre couldn't be used to cut straight from a sheath.
Katana in diferent times measured between 60 and 73cm of blade length. While average XVII century Polish cavalry (so called: hussar) sabre had blade 83 to 90cm long. Also, single handed grip guaranteed much longer reach by itself! Curvature of typical Polish sabre of that period is between 50-70cm - much greater than katana. And it is all but unstoppable, especially against other sabre :). So another miss here.
@Pepe87ms of course it's a bulky blade taht has terrible armor piercing capabilities because the japanese were making armor out of the same metals LULZ. the slash from katana was designed by mainland asians(chinese tang dyanasty and Han dyansty) to kill horses till stabbing was tje primary use for killing men
@gollum740 type 'Duel from Mark of Zorro (1940) (plot spoilers) ' into the searchbar. Should be the first video you come to. Very dated in terms of acting but the swordsmaship is the best ever.
@Jakub2610 Zeczywiscie sluszna uwaga, ja sam chociaz nie jestem wirtuozem polszczyzny bo od lat ucze sie za granica nie lubie kiedy ktos zastepuje polskie slowa angielskimi, a wiec od dzis nie deskrypcja tylko opis.
@zahaj Przepraszam, nic innego mi do głowy nie przychodziło.
Ja też jak sam widzisz nie jestem wirtuozem polszczyzny, ja już jak miałem rok i trzy miesiące to wyjechałem do stanów (niema czym się chwalić), ale przynajmniej mogę się wyrwać na wakacje żeby o prawdziwej cywilizacji i kulturze nie zapomnieć! Mogę się jednym pochwalić, tyle lat już to jestem i nie dałem się wytresować na Amerykanina i staram się zachować język (bez akcentu amerykańskiego) i tradycje z dziada-pradziada.
@Jakub2610 No to sie chwali ze nie dales sie ''przefarbowac'' bo niektorzy polacy staja sie bardziej zagraniczni po 3 miesiacach niz ci rodowici amerykanie czy anglicy
@zahaj O ile się nie mylę, słowo "tresować" to jest poprawnie, "trenować" to juz inna sprawa... "Tresować" to moim zdaniem poprawnie użyte słowo w tej sytuacji, w szkołach nas uczą że Galileusz pierwszy potwierdził teorie heliocentryczną a nie Kopernik, albo że Stalin sam przyszedł i sobie "wrzą środkową i wschodnią Europe." Milczą o Jałcie, i milczą o sławie dawnej innych krajów jak polska, i tylko podkreślają swoją sławę.
First of all the most realistic thought out reason why the fight is happening which he is being chased by three other men.So that allows me to believe this could be a real fight
music was great.the sound of the stell all too real and I liked all the near misses and slight dodges away from the on comming blades
Świetna walka pokazowa panowie. Widać, że znacie się na rzeczy. Do tego filmik technicznie pierwsza klasa i z wyczuciem dramatyzmu. Profesjonalny montaż. Chciałbym wreszcie zobaczyć coś takiego w polskim kinie. Na jakich imprezach można będzie was spotkać w nadchodzącym sezonie?
these are just the good old hollywood fencing routines.
anyway, good job on filming.
888HamilkarBarkas888 2 weeks ago
Look at the guys, they just repeat the same cut over and over and over again. Plus, they use no lunges.
The ability to lunge fast and come back equally fast is a trademark of a fencer. As I said, it's all in the footwork. Those guys don't have it - sorry.
Kamamura2 3 weeks ago
The old ad hominem attack, eh? I am old, and out of shape too, that's true. But I used to teach longsword in our group - here in Czech, it has a lot of tradition. And I was good. Not excellent, but good and respected. But what's important, I met some amazing fencers back then. So I can tell good technique from bad. This is bad. You know why? The footwork is shoddy, the attacks don't aim against body, but they just "clang-clang" to make a good show.
Kamamura2 3 weeks ago
Too fat, too old, too fake. Lot's of repetetion, not enough variety.
Kamamura2 3 weeks ago
@Kamamura2 stop talkin bullshit and go outside sometimes i bet you are fat as fuck
mikEWrona1234 3 weeks ago
Does anyone know where i can purchase an authentic Polish Saber?
mdssdp 1 month ago
@mdssdp Call to that guy from the video:)
MrThorn88 1 month ago
¿there is only one movement of sword? cause, they are repeating all the time the sime horizontal cut :S
androris 2 months ago
@androris Well, the saber IS a slashing weapon.
NCWC2 1 month ago
There is no need to be harsh in one's judgment of this rendition. For this is what I believe the video was intended to be...an entertaining rendition of the Polish sabre. As a martial artist and swordsman I thoroughly enjoyed the dramatic effect. I suspect that the gentleman and his sons have much actual skill and that their detractors may be unpleasantly surprised were they to cross swords with these men. Bravo!! Well done.
MrUrgaya 2 months ago 2
@MrUrgaya I whole heartedly agree. Well said.
TheFrostedLlama 1 month ago
The old man had luck ,his two opponents didn´t used any adaga, knife, whatever in some good oportunities.
chakalaka80 2 months ago
Naukowcy spieraja sie czy Tatarzy to lud pochodzenia tureckiego czy jaednak mongolskiego.
staryjaszczur 4 months ago
@staryjaszczur nazwa typowo europejska tatarzy to waleczne plemie pustoszące tereny wokół tatr (gór)
yogimis 3 months ago
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ThePijanos 4 months ago
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ThePijanos 4 months ago
kneel or kiss my knee
jumba4u 4 months ago
There are some skills in this fencing. Those who do not see it are amateurs.
Great job, thx for the video
Attilahollo9 4 months ago in playlist The Sabre
to all of you smartasses who complain that this is very basic fencing, parry reposte parry reposte: that is what real sword, sabre and other fighting is all about. No need for extremely elaborate, risky manoevres... As long as you don't get hit and you do hit the other guy.
If you think this is gay, go put on your white pansy suits, learn your foil hit rules and attach your electrical cable to see when someone is hit.
Real fencers need no complicated system to see if someone is hit.
LutzBrux 4 months ago 4
Parry, Repost,Parry, Repost,Parry, Repost,Parry, Repost,Parry, Repost,Parry, Repost,Parry, Repost,Parry, Repost,Parry, Repost,Parry, Repost,Parry, Repost,Parry, Repost,Parry, Repost,
GAY
Dallasarcher 4 months ago
great saber fencing, greetings from Germany !
Quetzalgoatl 5 months ago
и........ ви що подуріли люди??? поляк в українській вишиванці та шароварах з шаблею!:)
це все українське а ви пишете що то польське чи турецьке ви в своєму розумі, читайте історію!!!:)
subaruEX17 5 months ago
Granted, they're using real heavy swords and wearing no protection, and that takes guts.
But the fencing isn't all that impressive. Ignoring the fact that the only decisive actions happen when they grapple and come apart, they are using the same attack and the same parry over and over and over. Their fencing couldn't be more basic.
KnightoftheSky 7 months ago
@KnightoftheSky
But damn, after having protection is important when I fence olympic style saber this seem frightening! Especially since they're using friggin heavy sabers!
Aecusim 5 months ago
I like the video. I like this sabres. And i like your style of figthin'
Dizzyfinger 7 months ago
а вот поставлено и снято очень даже неплохо!
ibnIngwar 8 months ago
Are most attacks in Polish fencing composed of high-line attacks?
XiaoLinLong 8 months ago
абсолютно бредовая техника махания сабли в шпажной стойке, и совершеннийший дебилизм пытаться заколоть саблей в дуэле))) Наши ляшские недруги попросту набрали шпажистов, дали им в руки сабли и заставили махать на камеру, видимо саблистов в жече посполитой без моря уже совсем нет, а писали про сохранение давних школ и традиций)) шаолинь мля))) Поедьте за Дон и вам покажут как надо действительно работать с саблей, в ее варианте без гарды и будет вам счастье.
84kaskad 8 months ago
@84kaskad наглядное видео тут на ютюбе есть? Я смотрел семинар некоего, как я понял, матерого польского саблиста, он показывал технику, которая очень близка к этому видео.
therokunin 5 months ago
lol
1Veers 8 months ago
co nie przeszkadza uwazac te walke za nudna pod wzgledem technicznym.
okykyxa 8 months ago
Beautiful . It was a pleasure to watch your martial skill with the blade . Bravo !
razor84man 9 months ago
Um, dude? I think you broke your sword.
hellerZauberer 9 months ago
kurde, ale nudy: pierwsza - piata, pierwsza - piata, i tak w kółko....
okykyxa 9 months ago
@okykyxa
Nie próbuj szpanować znajomością nazw których i tak do końca nie ogarniasz bo widać tylko, że bladego pojęcia nie masz o takiej walce.
owdaan 8 months ago 5
@owdaan Uprawiam od lat szermierke pojedynkowa. Ta walka (tak na serio) jest na pokaz i od strony technicznej jest nudna, bo w kolka walkuje sie 2 zaslony - 1 - 5, 1-5 itd. Jeden raz za caly filmik byla czwarta.
okykyxa 8 months ago
@owdaan Uprawiam od lat szermierke pojedynkowa. Ta walka (tak na serio) jest na pokaz i od strony technicznej jest nudna, bo w kolko walkuje sie 2 zaslony - 1 - 5, 1-5 itd. Jeden raz za caly filmik byla czwarta.
okykyxa 8 months ago
@okykyxa
Ten filmik przedstawia specyficzny styl walki, o którym Ty jeśli zajmujesz się "szermierką pojedynkową" (co nota bene jest mało precyzyjnym określeniem) nie masz raczej pojęcia.
owdaan 8 months ago
Super robota :D Wygląda bajecznie :)
VanDizLu 9 months ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku I haven't seen any tests on testing the durability of the products of different lamination methods, but I'd wager that they don't produce a significantly different result.
Modern steels don't require any folding at all, they're almost completely homogeneous. The folding process just homogenizes carbon content in that specific billet of steel, with modern industrial processes that's only really desirable for aesthetic purposes.
halfassedfart 10 months ago
Damn, and I always thought that it is the fencer, not the weapon that should be compared...
JesiennyDeszcz 11 months ago 10
@JesiennyDeszcz Then you are mistaken...
BlackShinobiShozoku 11 months ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku
Yeah, take your "superior katana" and try to make a stand with the guy from the vid armed with his "inferior saber" :) I would love to watch it
JesiennyDeszcz 11 months ago
@JesiennyDeszcz
Why would I do that?
I have no reason to kill the person in this video.
And you do realize that Katana means "backsword?"
If you want to refer to the common longest sword of the Daisho or sword around Muromachi Era
Then that is the 打刀 uchigatana
BlackShinobiShozoku 11 months ago
@JesiennyDeszcz You should. But the right weapons do make a big difference.
NCWC2 1 month ago
I have argued about almost every European sword. From Spain to Poland the statement are the same, “my sword is better than the katana”. According to every European fanboy LARPer their sword is obviously better than Katana (and you’re stupid for not agreeing). If they are as correct as they think they are, then every single sword is better than the Katana. Yet the Katana sets the standard that ever LARPer has to compair their sword too. nobody compairs their sword to the Kriegsmesser
shoulung 11 months ago
@shoulung
That's because katana gained so much publicity over the years (thanks to cartoons and C-class movies) that in popular culture and among the LARPers ;-) it's perceived as some kind of unearthly uber weapon. The thruth is, most cultures in centuries time developed what eventually became the most effective killing tools and techniques to use them. You can't tell nor prove that any of them is clearly superior to the other. This applies to the Japanese art of sword as well.
BrodatyOlo 11 months ago
@shoulung
That's because katana gained so much publicity over the years (thanks to cartoons and C-class movies) that in popular culture and among the LARPers ;-) it's perceived as some kind of unearthly uber weapon. The thruth is, most cultures in centuries time developed what eventually became the most effective killing tools and techniques to use them. You can't tell nor prove that any of them is clearly superior to the other. This applies to the Japanese art of sword as well.
BrodatyOlo 11 months ago
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I made a typing error.
"But I know enough to know this sabre and the way it's being used is very ineffective in comparison to an actual Nihonto and Kenjutsu. -cont
BlackShinobiShozoku 11 months ago
@KissakiSan Sabre fencing is by no means limited to parade-riposte system. It's most common though as most modern day schools teach Polish sabre based on XIX military drills and sports sabre. Still, you can defend and counter attack in one fluent movement where you use parry as a swing for your own attack. Hard to do properly in a fast-paced sabre fight but extremely effective. Another way is to block opponent's blade while hitting with your own attack (sort of like longsword master cuts).
BrodatyOlo 11 months ago
sabres are faster than katanas, but they are two entirely different styles. Sabres focus on parry and riposte where as katanas focus on one to two hit kills. Fencing is fast and less accurate where as kendo is slow yet quick and accurate attacks. You cannot compare the two
Zipito06 11 months ago
Sabre is wayyy more fun to fight with than katana. Look at all the feints.
Beneficiis 1 year ago
@Beneficiis If it's a fun weapon to fight with... then it's probably not a good weapon.
BlackShinobiShozoku 11 months ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku
You are just a "Katana and Japan-Fanboy"! Your nick tells me that! =)
Katanas are good, but very overrated!
In my opininon: My favorit Sword is the Sabre!
When you are thinking the katana is your choice, then it`s ok!
Tell me why the katana is sooo much better then every other sword, please!
Sorry but my english is not so good!
Pepe87ms 11 months ago
@Pepe87ms
lol you're so silly. Actually I think you're just a Polish and Sabre fanboy. I am an actual Jujutsuka.(Practitioner of Traditional Japanese Jujutsu). Within my lineage of Jujutsu we retain the Kenjutsu within our lineage as well. So I am also trained slightly in Kenjutsu(I am still very much a beginner)
But I know enough to know this sabre and the way it's being used is very effective in comparison to an actual Nihonto and Kenjutsu. -cont
BlackShinobiShozoku 11 months ago
@Pepe87ms I look all over for construction of the szabla. I do not find it. So obviously this wasn't a very complex construction of sword. Which is probably why it is so light and "fast"
Being faster doesn't make a sword superior. Being able to kill more effectively makes a sword superior, and having a durable sword. This is what a true Nihonto does. Due to its complex design of the honsanmai construction. Which reinforces the edge of the blade. -cont
BlackShinobiShozoku 11 months ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku
Theres no such a thing as superior sword anway... depending on how the swords are made, katana breaks quite easly, wich is a side effect of its cutting power. If you want truly durable sword go with highland broadsword.
On horseback Katana is nearly worthless, as footman weapon it's too long and hard to use. As duel weapon, it tends to kill opponent rather than injure him. Theres more to weapon than it's lethality.
Beneficiis 11 months ago
@Beneficiis
It does good for what it is made for. That's what makes it superior. The Tachi was used for horseback...
The weapon is too long? How is 27-32inch blade too long? A nihonto is even in cutting power and durability. You don't want too much of something and lack too much of another. That is not superior quality.
Either way... If you like the broadsword that's fine. I prefer Nihonto. In fact in war swords was only backup... longer weapons were ALWAYS preferred(such as spear)
BlackShinobiShozoku 11 months ago
@Pepe87ms This sword may injure... but my Nihonto will cut off your limb. And why are they constantly and deliberately blocking with their poorly made sword? They stand in front of each other and hop backwards and forwards. Rather than move off centerline. There should be a lot of slight movements of the body off the center to find a dead angle. Avoid going Toe-To-Toe with your opponent.
BlackShinobiShozoku 11 months ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku
The flash sabre attacks were meant to eliminate opponent from a fight not to cut him to pieces :). The sabre blade was made the similar way to the Japanese swords with the exception that metallurgy in XVIIc. Europe was couple centuries ahead of that in Japan. As for durability: you can hit a hussar sabre with a flat of the blade against a tree using full force or try and bend it in half - it won't break. Try to do this with katana :).
BrodatyOlo 11 months ago
@BrodatyOlo
Well Nihonto is made to kill... Why would you want to injure them from a fight?
And there are many construction for Japanese sword. Which one exactly are you referring too?
Because if you're referring to the Honsanmai... Then the Sabre must have three different types of metal being used? What metal is used for its inner spine? What metal is used for its outerskin? What metal is used for its edge?
BlackShinobiShozoku 11 months ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku
Quality sabre blades were forged of 3 or 4 different types od steel: ductile for the core, high carbon, very hard steel for the edge and a composite of spring types for the flats. Selective quenching. Many sabre blades were made by the most famous manufactures in western Europe.
You misunderstood me with the durablity test. I meant it can withstand severe strain and spring back to original shape, where a japanese sword will burst like glass. Price for rigidity and sharpness
BrodatyOlo 11 months ago
@BrodatyOlo Oh that is very similar to the japanese honsanmai construction.
You mistake the Japanese sword for being brittle... The true Nihonto can bend very far and return back to normal. You must be talking about a cheap imitation found in Western markets.
BlackShinobiShozoku 11 months ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku Errr, no, they aren't known for flexibility or resilience. Minimal distal taper = thick blade = stiffness. A sword like that tends to stay bent or even break catastrophically when abused, as can be seen here: watch?v=5Hy_A9vjp_s#5m50s
A katana made with modern steels for martial arts use is generally far more capable of taking punishment than a nihonto. Tamahagane has nothing on modern steels in performance, though it is an impressive technical achievement in its own right.
halfassedfart 10 months ago
@halfassedfart It has to do with the design... the honsanmai design takes punishment extremely well. Moderns steels are superior in the fact that it doesn't have as much impurities as Tamahagane does. So it doesn't require as much folding as Tamahagane does. Is that video supposed to prove something?
Who made that sword?
And how does that test prove anything besides that guy doesn't know how to use a Katana. You don't chop with a Katana you cut.
BlackShinobiShozoku 10 months ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku That katana are capable of breaking catastrophically when abused, just like any other sword, and that their tolerance for such is not significantly superior..
Stefan Roth. He's a German smith known for making both Japanese and European blades.
You do the same with practically any other sword. However, in this context he's testing the blades by striking a target, and obviously you can't cut through another sword.
halfassedfart 10 months ago
@halfassedfart
So that is not a real Nihonto thus defeating the purpose of you showing me this?
And making the uchigatana do something it was not meant to do does not prove anything. It's not meant to be slammed against another sword. It is to be used for cutting. The tolerance of a nihonto is very much superior when it's done correctly.
Please find a real nihonto sword
With real legitimate traditional japanese swordsmith.
BlackShinobiShozoku 10 months ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku Not quite a nihonto, considering that the requirements for a sword to be considered one are arbitrarily strict, but Roth is well-known for making katana by traditional methods. You can verify what I'm saying quite easily by looking up his credentials.
Sooo, what you're telling me is that it will fail if you are forced into an 'oh shit' block or if it contacts a block like that? That doesn't seem to be the hallmark of a very good sword.
halfassedfart 10 months ago
@halfassedfart
Only those who have traditional "Kuden" know how to make Nihonto traditionally.
In feudal Japan for "Tameshigiri" they used to test the uchigatana against steel armor. And they would make cuts. That is what a REAL Nihonto can do when wielded by a person skilled in using the Nihonto. While watching the video I saw the man use the uchigatana for tameshigiri using tatami mats. I saw from there he did not know how to use uchigatana properly.
BlackShinobiShozoku 10 months ago
@halfassedfart
The test they performed does not mimick the "oh shit" block.
That's a guy standing there lifting the sword up and slamming it like a hammer with all his might. That would only happen to a warrior strucken with rigor mortis.
BlackShinobiShozoku 10 months ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku You believe what you want, but the evidence is out there and you can verify it easily.
Reference please. I happen to know that swords are terrible against metallic armour of *any* quality (lamellar, mail, plate, scale, you name it), the best they should expect to do with a cut or strike is to crease the armour a little.
All his might? You exaggerate a little, surely. While not fully representative of a block of a sword strike, how about a polearm? Those pack a wallop.
halfassedfart 10 months ago
@halfassedfart
Japanese swordsmanship by Gordon Warner and Donn F Draeger.
Is reference.
BlackShinobiShozoku 10 months ago
@halfassedfart swords are actually very effective against armor. remember that most western swords are made to pierce plate armor. Even if you are fully armored getting hit with a sword hurts. Swords that slash are less effective against armor than swords that stab. The effectiveness of any blade has more to do with blade geometry than anything else really. Example the kukri. It out cuts pretty much everything(a point that cold steel agrees with(although they are not exactly the best)).
jinnd319 10 months ago
@jinnd319 Errr, no. Many weren't, and the ones that were were optimized to do so with the point. Technically, a mordschlag could count, but it's pretty apparent that I was using strikes with the bladed end in this context.
Yes, while it's not pleasant to get clocked by a full strike, you'll suffer considerably less injury than if you weren't wearing armour. The degree of effectiveness depends on the armour, you barely feel it with plate unless you were struck on a joint.
halfassedfart 10 months ago
@halfassedfart depends on the armor and the sword. I admit that around 2 inches of penetration on armor is all you can get with longswords, but that's why typical finishing blows involved getting your opponent of his feet and then guiding the blade with one hand while using all of your weight behind the sword to to drive it as far in as possible.what's funny is that swords aren't as popular as axes and maces in wars during the European feudal system. swords are for the most part rich peopleweps
jinnd319 10 months ago
@jinnd319 Even if you put all your weight into stabing even through chain mail, you will not kill as the swords people claim to be are flabby(in my opinion) and bend easily.I seen a person trying to stab a jell torso, and his sword bent like crazy and he barely got it through the neck.Chain mail will allow at most only and inch of penetration.According to everywhere I looked, the only way to kill anyone with armor is to shoot arrows.Swords are useless.
IRussian007 10 months ago
@IRussian007 Arrows don't make much of a mark on plate armour, neither does a sword. The way to defeat armour is through the gaps, all armour has gaps. I also propose a different way to defeat a man in armor, aim heavy blows to his right thumb. According to experience, the thumb is the most exposed part of a swordsman's body (with simple crossguards) and therefore the best target. A thumb breaks easily and a swordsman with a broken thumb is virtually defenseless.
Tehinke 10 months ago
@Tehinke mm, ok, then how the hell did the britich longbowmen slaghter the french knights?
IRussian007 10 months ago
@IRussian007 Due to certain battlefield circumstances that made the french suffer. I guess you're referring to the battle of Agincourt, which was not in any way typical for a medieval battle. The french were lured into a bottleneck with very unfavorable ground conditions (sticky mud) they pretty much defeated themselves before the British archers came in and finished the job. Their armour was in that case their undoing. I you fall into mud, plate armour will create a vacuum whereas wool won't.
Tehinke 9 months ago
@Tehinke man that sucks...no wonder why the french gave credit to british commanders for british victories instead of the longbow.
IRussian007 9 months ago
@BrodatyOlo
What sword sports are there that exist I have been trying to find a decent sport that involves striking you're opponent with a sword and u get a point for doing so and I still haven't been able to find one yet.
Dimitri0809 11 months ago
@BrodatyOlo
So you hit your sword against a tree and it bends in half?
If I do that with a Nihonto it bends/flexes and then returns back to its original form. So it can be used again. As I have no use for a bent sword.
BlackShinobiShozoku 11 months ago
european, arabic, indian and chines swords and weapon always evolved due to constant civil continetal and invasion based warfare. notice how all those culture adoped the turko mongolic central asian sabres(or atleast a variant). never changed eventhough the chinese had already discontuned(its form i china evolved in to other heavy infantry weapons) it until the reintroduction by the japanese pirates was that katanas did not fit the ever evolving culture of war.
kaindrg 1 year ago
swords were only made famous during times of peace adn civilianiztion as they were the only personal weapon soldier could carry.
kaindrg 1 year ago
katana lacked evolution they merely modified after the chinese and stopped becauses the sword is the most useless weapon on the battle field. its like saying the pistol is teh most impressive weapon in today battles..... FUK NOO lances spears guns bows were the assult rifels of the ancient world the only time sword was a great weapon was in conjunction with the sield giving it assualt level status.
kaindrg 1 year ago
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kaindrg 1 year ago
WWII katana were made of fail being the high demand and short time they were needed in, the fact that many techniques for making them had been diluted by peace, and that part of the reason japan entered the war was to obtain raw materials
the likes of which swords were made of also samurai started as calvary
sorry but still nice video i thumbs up'd it
Wonderousspaceman 1 year ago
@Wonderousspaceman
Samurai had their ass kicked big time by MONGOLS, who were on hoarses. Samurai didn't stand a chance.
But when the mongols returned, the samurai still were on foot, however they build small fences and monglos couldn't fight on horse, they had to get off. Now they had a problem.
Also samurai would board a boat, usually 13 to a boat. They would swim to the ship of Mongols at nigh. Mongols on their ships couldn't use horses. 13 samurai could kill 50 Mongols in minutes.
PawelKolasa 1 year ago
@PawelKolasa actaully both invasion were on foot. since its hard to do a sea to land invasion on horse and the samurai were the only one at those battles that were fully Mounted. but they still god fuked cuz of the korean, chinese, mongol slave infatry that used lances. and gernades
kaindrg 1 year ago
@PawelKolasa My great grandfather was half-Ukrainian (besides, who is now check). My grandfather at the time was still alive when he told me stories about his father and of himself-he fought in SBr.kaw. in 1939, and his father fought for the Tsar during the war with Japan in 1905. He told how his father spoke to defend the river crossing in 20 soldiers over the river and the Japanese landings in 150 ninjas. And even eight, they managed to capture alive. A one shot-putter against the 150 knives
Jastrzab78 1 year ago
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kaindrg 1 year ago
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@Wonderousspaceman the fact that they were all made by masters and were some awsome new way of crafting quality steel is a myth and no historian. not even japanese beleive that hype. the majority of katana made durign the warring era were crap. it was only during the times of peace that the stories of how great they were came to be.
kaindrg 1 year ago
nie rozumiem tylko czemu oni walczą tymi węgierskimi szablami a nie np karabelką
YouKnowWhatYouAre 1 year ago
@YouKnowWhatYouAre Węgierskimi? A czy to nie przypadkiem szable husarskie?
nanashifu 5 months ago
@nanashifu
:) szable husarskie (czarna) były cieżkie i długie, do cięcia z konia! raczej za ciężkie do fechtunku na ziemi:) zobacz te są krótkie i lekkie
KeepHimAtBay 5 months ago
@KeepHimAtBay Nie do końca przyjacielu ;-) Szabla husarska była oskonała w walce kawaleryjskiej, idealna do walki pieszej, generalniemiała wybitne cechy użytkowe.
nanashifu 5 months ago
Nie upieram się,że to czarna na 100%, niemniej podobieństwo duże, parametry również zbliżone...
nanashifu 5 months ago
Film jest dobrze zrobiony na nasze warunki z ograniczonymi srodkami. Choreografia jest b.dobra.
Powinnismy stworzyc szable z drewna obite guma, i stworzyc ogolno swiatowy turniej!
Taki jak robia Japonczycy w Kendo. Kendo polega na tym, ze zaklada sie ze jest to prawdziwy katana! Wiec chodzi o jedno pchniecie lub ciecie! Jezeli sie to rozumie, to zupelnie sie inaczej to oglada i nie wyglada to na glupie okladanie sie kijami.
Polska szabla Napoleonska, bylaby chyba najlepsza bronia.
PawelKolasa 1 year ago
Prosze zmienic koncowke "Realised by" to nie znaczy "zrealizowany przez".
Realised znaczy "zdac sobie sprawe" z czegos. Jest wiecej takich slow, ktore maja podobne brzmienie ale totalnie inne znaczenie.
Juz nie pamietam co znaczylo "zrealizowany przez" po polsku? Czy to rezyseria czy producent? przypuszczam ze chodzi tu o rezyserie i kierowanie? tak?
To by bylo lepiej: "Directed by"
Producent to ten co daje kase na film. Director to ten to kieruje filmem.
Z powazaniem
PawelKolasa 1 year ago
they where similar trousers like Ukrainian Cossacks used to have )
madedd02 1 year ago
@erastpetrovichfandor
FUCK YOU PIECE OF SHIT AMERICAN! !!!!!
elfdude1 1 year ago
@erastpetrovichfandor rofl
Sancrist 1 year ago
moglbym powiedziec, ze te 2:25 na pewno znajduje sie w top 5 polskiej kinematografii i o mile wyprzedza filmy A.W.
Buli0n 1 year ago
@erastpetrovichfandor Y SO SRS?
maine1600 1 year ago
Fun! Nice little film!
scholarsvoices 1 year ago
Like it a lot.
By the way, the winner - guy in black "sharovary" pants looks a lot like Ukrainian kozak. From the costume perspective.
Where do you guys train?
normalukrainian 1 year ago
@normalukrainian Hmmm... You know... Everyone wear like this: I mean such loose-fitting pants (hajdawery) and blouse, all polish solders especially light cavalrymen - pancerni (panzers) they also were called kozacy, not only kozacy from wild fields, even szlachta wear such pants and blouse under żupan.
GregorMar 1 year ago
seems to have a little bit of wobble to it making me to belive it's like saying you took a stack of metal 1/2 inch thick and pounded it down to that shape making it flatter
ARKSOLDIER7 1 year ago
@erastpetrovichfandor hmm right slice me up good , tough internet thug act now? Well wise one explain , when we think about trajectory we think about projectiles , swords on other side still connected to the hand--> body while doing its job . Is this really a trajectory if . By the way jackass , we're from same country .
sewagedweller 1 year ago
@erastpetrovichfandor ok you live in a ghetto , wanna cookie or something ? you are trying to prove to me that katana and saber were ultimate weapons which are not , based on groundless speculation . Summarizes the story , no?
sewagedweller 1 year ago
@erastpetrovichfandor talking about not giving facts i believe ive mentioned that dark age swords in Europe were made in folding process just like katanas no ? And i think you are misusing term trajectory .
sewagedweller 1 year ago
@erastpetrovichfandor well duhhh , i think reason people learn martial arts in a first place might have something to do with not born with fighting skill , so yeah you usually wont be able do things like this without training . Anymore genius input ?
sewagedweller 1 year ago
@erastpetrovichfandor i type fast but its a bloody bother , its not like you have real facts . Mostly made up fairytale by schools to look cool . I suggest quick glimpse on medieval swordmaship and crafting would be watching Mike Loads weapons that made Britain . If you are interested in detail info about crusades that's fun to read i suggest Templar Code for dummies .
sewagedweller 1 year ago
@sewagedweller
i really wonder...who would win: Polish Hussaria vs Japanese Samurai with the katana's :) i really think that on the japanese side noone would survive:)
YouKnowWhatYouAre 1 year ago
@YouKnowWhatYouAre
It's simple: on foot, Japanese sword is more practical because, it's longer. However it would be enough to manipulate the distance and samurai would get quickly tired. Katana's are heavy. I know because I have one from 2 world war, this is heavy stuff. Too heavy for longer fight.
On horse the Japanese wouldn't even have a chance. Katana sucks for cavalry. That's why the Samurai never developed cavalry.
PawelKolasa 1 year ago
@PawelKolasa
spoko Paweł, nie musisz mi po angielsku tłumaczyć, jeszcze nie zrozumiem:) moim zdaniem samurai z katana wytrzymałby z minutę w walce; ale who the fuck knows
YouKnowWhatYouAre 1 year ago
@YouKnowWhatYouAre
Po angielsku bylo dla tych co pisali po angielsku.
Tez mysle ze minuta by wystarczyla. Stare katany sa za ciezkie, tak jak stare miecze. Teraz sa nowe, np. z domieszki tytanu. Ale katana nie dziala na jedna reke w fechtunku. Na dwie, to tylko jest albo pchniecie albo ciecie pionowe. Wiec mozna sie spodziewac tylko 2 rodzajow ataku. Oba polegaja na fantastycznym wyczuciu DYSTANSU i manipulacji nim. Mysle ze w szabli jest za maly nacisk na manipulacje dystansem.
PawelKolasa 1 year ago
@erastpetrovichfandor oh dear : medieval society was extreme class society , with warriors and clergy on the top . With poor production methods , swords were rare and expensive commodity , not to mention only military tool to be exclusive to battlefield. So association is not too hard to make . Oh look at me , im so special i read books ! Well so the remaining fucking half of the fucking world .
sewagedweller 1 year ago
@erastpetrovichfandor nice lies . first thing when were were learning sword in jujitsu was learning how to block , im sure trained swordsman would have no trouble deflecting or parrying katana , im not even bother mention if there was a shield/buckler involved .
sewagedweller 1 year ago
@erastpetrovichfandor really you fail at history , reason katanas were prohibited to be used by peasants the symbol behind the sword representing power and authority. They were expensive toys that represented the power and might of the feudal system . If there was something good in one part of the world , rest of the world connected by trade would do its best to steal that , especially when weapons were concerned . Unless you were pompous Asian, i suppose .
sewagedweller 1 year ago
@erastpetrovichfandor sabers didnt change warfare , warfare changed and swords were modified to suit current needs . No longer swords were required to cleave though man , shields , leather and mail . Katanas were only used in japan , BECAUSE they were obsolete weapons that had better counterparts on mainland .
sewagedweller 1 year ago
@erastpetrovichfandor right , whoever was teaching you history : sue that bastard . For their small size crusader armies did incredible amount of dammage against saracens , small number of templars or st. john knights could turn the battle . Saladin got shit kicked out of him on number of occasion , his main advantage was that he managed to unify waring muslim factions , not advance millitary gear.
So you did fensing , does this mean you used REAL WEAPONS AGAINST REAL ARMOR ?
sewagedweller 1 year ago
@erastpetrovichfandor saber is not more advance then a sword , its simply designed for a different purpose : fighting unarmored opponents , where all that quick cutting ended would come in handy . Just because western swords weren't popular in your culture its no excuse to look down on the weapon quality or manufacture .
sewagedweller 1 year ago
@sewagedweller
in Poland the sword was replaced with the sabre because it was uneffective against very mobile small tatar groups. we needed something to be useful while riding a horse very fast.
YouKnowWhatYouAre 1 year ago
@YouKnowWhatYouAre sabers are really great against lightly armored opponents ,with invention of the guns need for armor quickly faded . Asians mostly relied on the leather armor so yeah .
sewagedweller 1 year ago
@YouKnowWhatYouAre A shotgun loaded with double o buck would take care of small Tartar groups.
norb1937 1 year ago
@YouKnowWhatYouAre That's very interesting. It also seems very different from the Western European sabre forms that ended up being incorporated into Olympic-style sport fencing, although I shouldn't be talking since I only just started reading up on it. >_<; I wonder if this has to do with the Eastern European sabres being more heavily curved? They look closer to the Asian/Middle Eastern versions of the weapon like the Talwar, Shamshir or Turkish Kilij than western European sabres tend to.
heavyarms01h 9 months ago
@heavyarms01h
well those western werent sabres at all (talkin about Olympic-style sport fencing). western sabres comes from hungarian and polish sabres, that comes from turkish sabres:). polish sabre "black hussarka sabre" or "czarna husarka" had the most influence on western sabres. check it:. szablapolska . com / index . php / szabla-husarska
(replace "dot" with "." )
KeepHimAtBay 9 months ago
@erastpetrovichfandor right its unblockable and superior made since it takes ages to produce. Steel is still , long and inefficient process doesnt produce ultimate weapon . Unblockable my ass, there were number of curved weapons out there , if they were so unblockable great number of people would have started using them more . Have you noticed sabers became popular only after the guns were introduced , ever wondered why ?
sewagedweller 1 year ago
@erastpetrovichfandor to kill people on medieval battlefield , you dont have to cut them you can just whack them hard enough to brake bones and crack their skull .
sewagedweller 1 year ago
@erastpetrovichfandor dark age swords were made by process of folding same idea as katana, steel was produced for centuries problem was controlling carbon content . Improved furnaces , ability to lower impurities provided ability to mass produce quality armaments , probably better then katanas . As far as weapons are concerned i follow AK philosophy : sturdy , easy to use and reliable , all things that katana isnt .
sewagedweller 1 year ago
@erastpetrovichfandor good to see people are actually buying japanese bullshit , katans were made same ways as swords in dark ages . Katana wont be able to cut though a saber , plus i would imagine sabers were made out of higher quality of steel then japanese swords as japs had very little invitation when it came to weapon making .
sewagedweller 1 year ago
Sabres were tested by striking as hard as possible with flat of the blade against a tree trunk or iron rod laying on flat surface. They wouldn't brake. Try this with katana!
zenon78 1 year ago
@erastpetrovichfandor
Katana cutting through sabre... Hmm, please! What you think sabres were made of, raw iron? Good quality sabre blade was a composite of different steels: high carbon, ultrahard steel for the edge, springing steel for core and damascus composite on the sides. All quenched selectively. Just like a good quallity katana. With only exception that europe at that time had far superior methods of making and processing steel.
zenon78 1 year ago
Świetne. Gratulacje i proszę o więcej :)
Shakaras 1 year ago
@erastpetrovichfandor
One more thing concerning sabre - katana comparison. Majority of cuts in traditional Polish fencing were directed at hand and arms of the opponent. with small tsuba for a guard and both hands on the handle it would be a dream target for sabre fencer :).
The curvature ofsabre is of course 5-7cm not 50-70, sorry :)
zenon78 1 year ago
@erastpetrovichfandor
Saber is also significantly lighter: 750-850 grams by average compared to 900 grams+ of Katana. All of this combined with unique construction of grip and thumb ring made sabre much more versatile, faster and more maneuverable than Japanese sword. The only thing in which katana outperforms sabre is strength of a cut - thanks to two handed grip.
And there is no reason and no technical difficulty why sabre couldn't be used to cut straight from a sheath.
zenon78 1 year ago
@erastpetrovichfandor
Katana in diferent times measured between 60 and 73cm of blade length. While average XVII century Polish cavalry (so called: hussar) sabre had blade 83 to 90cm long. Also, single handed grip guaranteed much longer reach by itself! Curvature of typical Polish sabre of that period is between 50-70cm - much greater than katana. And it is all but unstoppable, especially against other sabre :). So another miss here.
zenon78 1 year ago
Sabers are faster then katana!
Pepe87ms 1 year ago 18
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kaindrg 1 year ago
@Pepe87ms of course it's a bulky blade taht has terrible armor piercing capabilities because the japanese were making armor out of the same metals LULZ. the slash from katana was designed by mainland asians(chinese tang dyanasty and Han dyansty) to kill horses till stabbing was tje primary use for killing men
kaindrg 1 year ago
pięknie zagrane ;P
persi74 1 year ago
Świetnie zrealizowane - wyrazy szacunku :)
Alvenon 1 year ago
Świetne! ;)
Ulfr1991 1 year ago
nice sabre skills.One of the most beautiful demonstartons of swordsmanship I have seen
gollum740 1 year ago
@gollum740 type 'Duel from Mark of Zorro (1940) (plot spoilers) ' into the searchbar. Should be the first video you come to. Very dated in terms of acting but the swordsmaship is the best ever.
Slypaperclips 1 year ago
Better then japanese katana
Pepe87ms 1 year ago 29
@Pepe87ms How is this weapon better than Japanese Katana? It looks weak. Doesn't look like it would survive long in combat.
BlackShinobiShozoku 11 months ago
Very, very nice!
dderudito 1 year ago
now this would make for a great action movie scene
ARKSOLDIER7 1 year ago
^I wanna learn that.
sPitternaut 1 year ago
Świetne! Tylko deskrypcja po angielsku ma błędy ortograficzne które mógłbym usunąć za ciebie jeżeli chcesz =)
Jakub2610 1 year ago
@Jakub2610 Zeczywiscie sluszna uwaga, ja sam chociaz nie jestem wirtuozem polszczyzny bo od lat ucze sie za granica nie lubie kiedy ktos zastepuje polskie slowa angielskimi, a wiec od dzis nie deskrypcja tylko opis.
zahaj 1 year ago
@zahaj Przepraszam, nic innego mi do głowy nie przychodziło.
Ja też jak sam widzisz nie jestem wirtuozem polszczyzny, ja już jak miałem rok i trzy miesiące to wyjechałem do stanów (niema czym się chwalić), ale przynajmniej mogę się wyrwać na wakacje żeby o prawdziwej cywilizacji i kulturze nie zapomnieć! Mogę się jednym pochwalić, tyle lat już to jestem i nie dałem się wytresować na Amerykanina i staram się zachować język (bez akcentu amerykańskiego) i tradycje z dziada-pradziada.
Jakub2610 1 year ago
@Jakub2610 No to sie chwali ze nie dales sie ''przefarbowac'' bo niektorzy polacy staja sie bardziej zagraniczni po 3 miesiacach niz ci rodowici amerykanie czy anglicy
zahaj 1 year ago
@zahaj O ile się nie mylę, słowo "tresować" to jest poprawnie, "trenować" to juz inna sprawa... "Tresować" to moim zdaniem poprawnie użyte słowo w tej sytuacji, w szkołach nas uczą że Galileusz pierwszy potwierdził teorie heliocentryczną a nie Kopernik, albo że Stalin sam przyszedł i sobie "wrzą środkową i wschodnią Europe." Milczą o Jałcie, i milczą o sławie dawnej innych krajów jak polska, i tylko podkreślają swoją sławę.
Jakub2610 1 year ago
fucking awsome!
First of all the most realistic thought out reason why the fight is happening which he is being chased by three other men.So that allows me to believe this could be a real fight
music was great.the sound of the stell all too real and I liked all the near misses and slight dodges away from the on comming blades
eddiedaskull 1 year ago
piekne!!
sztompur 1 year ago
ależ pięknie
vgotnofingers 1 year ago
Excellent video.
VegaEtereo 1 year ago
wow, that was really good!
rmckim 1 year ago
Świetna walka pokazowa panowie. Widać, że znacie się na rzeczy. Do tego filmik technicznie pierwsza klasa i z wyczuciem dramatyzmu. Profesjonalny montaż. Chciałbym wreszcie zobaczyć coś takiego w polskim kinie. Na jakich imprezach można będzie was spotkać w nadchodzącym sezonie?
MrBilej 1 year ago
Very good fancing !
SiggyStern 1 year ago
Ładny pokaz szermierki, chciałbym móc się szkolić pod czyimś okiem a nie na własną rękę. Pozdrawiam!
averit 1 year ago
Podoba mi się, szkoda tylko że napisy po Anglu bo nic nie rozumiem. Ale 5/5
MatidragonPL 1 year ago
Bardzo fajne panowie! Z dużą przyjemnością obejrzałbym więcej takich scen.
Wszystkiego dobrego!
Rogvist 1 year ago
dobry film szkoleniowy, czy będziecie na inscenizacji Kłuszyna w lipcu w stolicy ? ja tam będę
wojsport 1 year ago
Panowie jesteście niesamowici...:O
GORĄCE BRAWA!!!
stanleyvictoria1683 2 years ago
Спасибо!
Mishenev 2 years ago
cudo!
sudetczyk 2 years ago
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ajsztajn 2 years ago