@Oxi2do amo a Beethoven, misa solemne, novena, cuartetos trios sonatas etc, no tengo formación musical tal vez por eso no puedo apreciar completamente esta obra que tanto alaban todos, músicos y demás y eso me duele, podría preguntarle a mi hijo, pero a el lo veré recien en agosto, podrías darme algunos tips, siento la fuerza de la pieza, pero eso no es suficiente para entenderla
This piece definitely IS 100 years ahead of its time, if only in terms of critical response changing from "uncorrected horror" to "contemporary forever."
Modern music doesn't sound like Beethoven 200 years after the fact is because if it did it's be just as guilty of not moving forward as Beethoven would have been if he had just copied Haydn and Mozart as some here seem to want.
I don't think we CAN know what of today's music is ahead of our time - By definition TODAY'S critics hate it.
Cuando Beethoven la compuso no fue bien aceptada, algunos decían que era fea. A mi no me lo parece, es muy complicada, pero no es fea, es monumental y causa un gran impacto en el oyente, que ese es el objetivo de la música romántica.
@Sakkura1 Hell yeah!!! this is the worst kind of ear drum death ever!! my comment was gonna be AAARRGGGHHHHH!!! until i saw your comment which made me laugh along with the comment above... gonna try part 2 now..call me a sadist if you like.
@tetragasmilecheputa Hmm, four people, two of them with violins, one with a viola and the last with a cello. Nope, must be either an aircraft carrier or a cantaloupe.
oh and u foos trying to compare composers..... tsk tsk who the fuck r u to judge whos better than who? different composers from different periods took their own part in making music what it is now. all u dumbasses with ur "oh beethoven is a better composer than bach or mozart"............... with out bach or mozart, there wouldn't be beethoven. they all had different revelations towards music. so stfu and listen. ur ignorances r beyond idiotic.
@TimChoFsho Actually, it's stupid to compare the three of them not because one preceded the other but because they're not even the same sort of music. Bach is baroque, Mozart was Classical and Beethoven was Romantic... Just clearing that out.
this piece is absolutely positively tonal. sure u can say this piece was the gateway to atonality but just because there r a lot of dissonant harmonies in this piece, does not make it atonal.
@MysweetGoldie1 Oh, stimmt! Der war natürlich nichts gegen die grossartigen Komponisten Kate Perry oder James Blunt! Tut mir leid, dass ich alles falsch eingeschätzt habe!
Ist das Göttliche nicht die größtmögliche menschliche Exzellenz? Beethoven hat diesen Status der Göttlichkeit erreicht, weil er hart genug gearbeitet hat, um an die Grenze des damals denkbaren zu kommen. Genauso wie Bach vor ihm, Brahms nach ihm und Henze jetzt, um mal ein paar deutsche Komponisten zu nennen.
Ok, fassen wir mal die Situation zusammen: Du schreibst hier pauschal zu einem Video, das du nicht magst. Gut, ein mal kann man es ja machen. Du machst es allerdings permanent. Außerdem trägst du nichts substantielles bei, nimmst keine hilfreichen Ratschläge an und hast eine Aufmerksamkeitsspanne, die nur für kleingeistig zusammengeschusterte Unterhaltungsmusik ausreicht. Und in Anbetracht dessen spinne ICH.
@MysweetGoldie1 Na und? Und außerdem, wenn du Beethoven nicht magst, dann hör dir seine genialen Stücke einfach nicht die ganze Zeit an! Nn geh und hör dir James Blunts Gewinsel an.
@MysweetGoldie1, ein Mensch mit göttlichem Potential! Was denkst Du; haben Bach, Beethoven, oder Schönberg einfach nur irgendwelche Noten aufs Papier gemalt? Deren Werke sind für Normalsterbliche überhaupt nicht zu begreifen - das ist reine Transzendenz!
Ich glaube, du kannst mit der Musik nichts anfangen, weil sie dir nichts vorgibt, an das du dich beim Hören klammern kannst. Das ist ja bei simpler Unterhaltungsmusik immer ganz einfach, weil die Texte sofort im Kopf hast und damit einen fixen Eindruck über die Intention des Autoren.
Dieses Stück ist nicht nur technisches Training für das Quartett- es ist voller Leben und bewegter, dramatischer Bilder. Finde deine persönliche Szene dazu und du wirst es lieben.
@MysweetGoldie1 Gedudel? GEDUDEL? DAS IST GEDUDEL? Das einzige, was hier Gedudel ist, ist die Musik von James Blunt. Und nun zieh gefälligst deinen Hut vor Beethoven!
@MysweetGoldie1 Sorry. Dass einem das Stück nicht gefällt ist ja ok, tatsächlich etwas gewöhnungsbedürftig, aber das als "Gedudel" abzutun geht nicht. Das ist Musik die hochkomplex und außerdem experimentell ist. Ein Komponist von der Größe Ludwig van Beethovens hat kein Gedudel geschrieben.
It is amazing to see how much ahead of his time he was. I think if the general audience was better acquainted to the overall works of the late Beethoven and the early romantic composers like Chopin or Liszt, they would also understand the final step of emancipating dissonance and replacing the classical triadic system by new means of expression. Art has no leaps and discontinuities, it develops continuously.
I really love the first minute mostly from 0:56 to 1:13 , but then the music changes and i think i'm not able to understand this. It sounds like they would play two "songs" and you have to pick one of these out and listen to this and you have to ignore the other.
Personally in my opinion, this piece is about life in reality, that ugly part we choose to ignore to live in a dream world. This piece is not like any other piece we can hear. I think it reflects on how Beethoven's life have been. Not that I know if its true, but its my guess.
There are many reasons for u to be wrong about great fugue, and maybe what u call "solid" reasons , is not. But make a long chain of reasons to explain the intention of Beethoven writing this fugue would be boring...
@italiandadi I don't think it's possible for one to be wrong about their taste. Maybe you can convince me otherwise but just telling me I'm terribly wrong when I gave a couple solid reasons for not liking this isn't going to work.
and most amazing of all is what he replaced this movement with - almost as if he were saying "You want something you can tap your foot to - so here's a tune that will make you dance like fools until you drop"
It think that it's nonsense to say that Beethoven didn't know how this would sound and would've changed the sound of it if he knew how it would've sounded. He composed many "nice-sounding" pieces while he was deaf, just look at the 9th Symphony.
Never did like this mvmt but I give it another shot every once in a while. Still don't like it. Always sounds like Beethoven failing at writing a traditional fugue more than purposely trying to do something radical. Not to mention that it sounds ridiculously out of place in the context of the full quartet. Obviously others like it, which is fine, but the arguments toward sjwright76 are terrible and stink of classical snobbery that should have died out 50 years ago.
@joshisanonymous It is simply Beethoven's musical experience bonded with Bach; I'm guessing you also can't handle the fugue in the Hammerklavier as well. Music is subjective but I would guess anything modern like Bartok's string quartets would also not mesh with you. It's ok to be limited in musical taste.
@alvinkuo777 This is exactly the snobbery I was referring to. You're claiming that this has nothing to do with my personal taste but only my limited ability to understand the music. You're also making assumptions about what I listen to, which includes music as varied and difficult as anyone could possibly claim. This attitude is why regular people think the classical world is full of pretentious asses. Essentially, get over yourself.
@joshisanonymous I said that you were limited in your taste, and that it was fine to be so. I don't like Schoenberg's twelve tone system for example. What do you listen to then? Do you like Bartok's serialism? Do you prefer Boulez's style or Ligeti? If I were a snob, I would clearly state that "you know nothing about Beethoven's music and like his contemporaries cannot understand the emotions welded to this fugue." Since I didn't, I would have to say to you: get over your anger.
@alvinkuo777 You claimed that I "can't handle" this, then listed something else I can't handle, then gave a snide remark about my "limited musical taste". Clearly, your response to me was meant as an insult but just to humor you, should I just list a couple modernist types? I like Saariaho, Muhly, Grisey, Murail, Scelsi, Dalbavie, Birtwistle, Ades, Andriessen, Cowell, Dumitrescu, Adams, Reich, Glass, Feldman, Penderecki, Gorecki, Kodaly, Kurtag, Messiaen, Takemitsu, Zhou, Berio, Eotvos,
@alvinkuo777 Partch, Risset, Stockhausen, La Monte Young, and the list can go on and this isn't including older classical music or the fact that I listen to just as much music in other genres ranging from world music to experimental hip-hop.
you should have just said that you don't like it. No one would care about it.
But saying things like "ridiculously out of place in the context of the full quartet" proves not only that you have a very limited taste in music (and have no ear, at all) but you're also stupid enough to express your ignorance.
There are more things in heaven and earth, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.. accept it. And, this you can call snobbery.
@garycsonka Explain to me my stupidity then instead of brandishing quotes from Hamlet. This doesn't sound out of place in this quartet? Were there sections from other movements that hinted at the fugue? Was this how all string quartets ended at the time? All I hear in your response is, "You don't like what I like! Waah! You're a stupid head!" If you love this music you should be explaining what I must be missing instead of hurling personal insults.
@joshisanonymous You have a right to dislike this work. And it is not great because it anticipates 20th century music. But when a composer writes the five late quartets, we should hesitate to call any movement of his a failure. The key to the G.F. is that it combines in one mvt the usual 4. About 3/4 of the way through, the development of the "4th mvt" becomes a dev and recap of the entire G.F. This info cannot make it great. But it may make a difference in your listening to it with sympathy.
@joshisanonymous Beethoven was the apex of western counterpoint - a straight trajectory from Palestrina to Bach and Beethoven. As far as the relation of this fugue to the other movements - I believe shock value and the sheer magnitude of the piece is why Stravinsky said it will always be contemporary. Compare instead to op.130 -131
@nitro95901 No one composer is better than any other. Beethoven's greatest works were his symphonies and his luscious melodies. Bach's greatest works were his organ pieces, fugues, and generally all baroque music. Mozart's music is abundant, because of this he has a smaller masterpiece ratio (if you will) than Beethoven and Bach. Saying Mozart's symphonies are better than Mozart's is like saying this fugue is better than Bach's-it simply just isn't. :)
Grosse Fuge, Great Fue, La Gran Fuga (Spanish) Is One Of The Best Themes Or Songs If We Called Like That, From Beethoven, I Really Love This Masterpiece...
Este Es Uno De Los Mejores Tema O Cancion Si La Llamamos Asi De Beethoven, Amo Esta Hobra Maestra,
This shows that beauty has many many forms. Composers like Chopin or Mozart stuck pretty much to what sounded great and that's why people liked it, it sounds very pleasing to the ear and it is, the public was used to one form of beauty and critisized beethoven so much because of this. Beethoven realised that beauty comes from your gut too and this reflects that. And those who still say that this is garbage have a one dimensional mind. No room for expansion to see what music can be.
That's interesting: GBADCD, jaryH3 and Grotarus91 (and myself) all think that Beethoven failed to outdo J.S. Bach, -and not Mozart, that's the interesting point! Is there anybody here who's an Amadeus fan? XD
Hm..I enjoy much of Beethoven's music, very much of it...but I find it difficult to ENJOY listening to this..some people have music other than for enjoyment I suppose
Sjwright76, you have in mind is shit, only shit, son of a bitch. People like you should all be hanged. The world needs a cleaning. The fault is not yours, is your parents to bring the civilization an abortion like you. PIG.
This crap is garbage. Just because it's Beethoven all you non-discerning dweebs think it's perfect. Beethoven wrote stinkers too, same as anyone else, and this was definitely one of them.
@sjwright76, although many of history's greatest musicians have & would disagree with you, the other family members living in my home side with you. In any case, thanks for the amusing post.
@sjwright76 The fact that this 180 year old composition still sounds like "crap" for many people even today is testament to how far ahead of his time Beethoven was. As Stravinsky said, it's an "absolutely contemporary piece of music that will be contemporary forever."
@moltovivace Oh, so by your theory, if something sounds like crap just wait long enough and it will start sounding good? I don't think so. It doesn't work that way. And you base your opinions on what Stravinsky said? Just like the guy who posted this video replied: "although many of history's greatest musicians have & would disagree with you" THINK FOR YOURSELF!!!!
@sjwright76 To the people of the early Renaissance, 4ths, 3rds, and 6ths sounded like "crap" that needed immediate resolution. Taste for dissonance has, in fact, expanded rapidly since then up until the 20th's century's total abandonment of tonality. This piece is intellectually profound and will evoke feelings within you in ways that "nice sounding" music never could, but only if you give it the chance to. You may need to consciously work to expand your harmonic appetite first, however.
@moltovivace I think that with grosse fuge beethoven pushed the limits of harmony and melodic lines of his time, reached the edge, and at first was, unfortunately, not published because of that. I can still find sense in all that "junk", its a damn fuge for god's sake! There are the lines, the answers, the themes, everything. what the hell where they thinking?! :D
a friend of Beethoven who was also a famous violinist those time, esteemed this fugue as " a completele failure" . this incident is written on the web of wikipedia.
However, raher modern aetist have been evaluating this great structure of music is a complete modern art.
as a rule, i think definitely that graet works would be recognized "great" only through the screen of the name of histry.
@Huddiethegreat "I always lose track of all the voices at 1:15" -At this point we have the cello and vl 2 playing the main theme (the start of the piece) and the viola and vln1 playing the counter subject (dDAA_dDAA). After that the cello screams the C.S. again and leads into free fugue that is all derived from these 2 sources.Listen to the overture at the beginning and you will find the seeds of the entire piece. FYI the best piece of music written requires many many listenings to understand.
@sudrug: He has put himself in an awkward position. If he thinks that there are composers who are better than Beethoven, then he is misguided. In addition, if indeed he understands how percentages work, and recognizes that he is better than all of the composers there are, then he'd still have to say 99.999...%, because Beethoven is himself a composer. But he specified "hearing composers," thus taking him back to step 1. If he misspoke, then he knows a total of 100 composers, which is sad.
@sudrug I'm qualifying the statement just in case saying "100%" happens to be incorrect. I will tell you if a match for Beethoven is born. Actually, I won't have to tell you. Just listen for the angels singing :D
@sudrug good question... If he said 100 percent of composers then it would have meant that he considered beethoven the greatest, which is debatable. he merely fails to outdo them, but he easily can be considered "Equal" to them.
@Metalloys Oh, sorry, it just sounds that way because it is so dissonant, it is easy to imagine Beethoven didn't realize what it actually sounded like (and in fact he did compose it when he was completely deaf). I was kind of joking, but it is not easy music to understand. I don't claim to understand it.
Exactly Alex 4LP.... Beethoven makes feel the whole universe in one melody. He is the greatest of all time. He is not only music, he is sadness, madness, happyness, death and live. He is the universe and the entire human beeing..
it was in the early 20th century when classical composers ran out of ideas and started to compose gibberish. Obviously Beethoven was ahead of his time with this mess
@sondano - FYI see"The 'Grosse Fuge: An Analysis," by Sydney Grew in "Music and Letters," vol. 12, No. 3 (July, 1931), p. 253-261 (available through Oxford University press - online @ jstor)
It's not even agressive, it's...tender, delicate, because, such changes in the harmony, are delightful. There's always something in Beethoven's music that makes me remember I can feel.
How marvelous is the contrast between lines, the sensation of drowning into one's own soul and unconventional, not comprehended love...
@GothicalSOberhauser I could not put it any better. When I first heard this piece I really wasn't sure if I liked it. Now I know exactly what you mean. It reminds me I can feel! Only Beethoven can do that.
I find it very aggessive in some ways. It's a monument of romanticism which entails being aggressive, and shaking the listener-perhaps to enlighten and spur to compassion in this ambiguous world. this movement can bring tears to the eyes. it may lack spontaniety but LVB's understanding of music and the ability to treat the instruments as indvidual partners is not to be under estimated or unappreciated.
I didn't mean it was not agressive in a 'de facto' way, but, at least to me, it sounds just great, tender and beautiful, regardless of its 'agressiveness'. Of course, I agree with you when you say it entails the way it's written, and the way it's supposed to be played, although, perhaps it's just my perception.
Can someone PLEASE post the piano duet, op. 134? I mean, its not in any video - so, well, what I can't get I want even more. BTW its Beethoven's piano variation he made because he disliked changing the end of Grosse Fugue for his audience.
This is amazing. Will sound modern forever.
9symphony9 3 days ago
hermoso simplemente hermoso, beethoven un genio
Oxi2do 3 weeks ago
@Oxi2do amo a Beethoven, misa solemne, novena, cuartetos trios sonatas etc, no tengo formación musical tal vez por eso no puedo apreciar completamente esta obra que tanto alaban todos, músicos y demás y eso me duele, podría preguntarle a mi hijo, pero a el lo veré recien en agosto, podrías darme algunos tips, siento la fuerza de la pieza, pero eso no es suficiente para entenderla
VMOjeda1 1 week ago
Was overwhelmed by the splendor.
mytimbre1 2 months ago
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jani14jani 2 months ago
This is the most intense, insane, beautiful thing I think I've ever heard oh my god
Massiveskinsfan93 3 months ago 3
This piece definitely IS 100 years ahead of its time, if only in terms of critical response changing from "uncorrected horror" to "contemporary forever."
Modern music doesn't sound like Beethoven 200 years after the fact is because if it did it's be just as guilty of not moving forward as Beethoven would have been if he had just copied Haydn and Mozart as some here seem to want.
I don't think we CAN know what of today's music is ahead of our time - By definition TODAY'S critics hate it.
1712Overture 4 months ago
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KKCvids 4 months ago
curse you youtube for cutting perfection in half!!!
iateyourgranny 4 months ago 3
Fuck me....
muurtalo 6 months ago
I was just listening to the audio and the cut totally caught me by surprise :(
moonyyummy 7 months ago
Major Buzz Kill.
mikrowavr 7 months ago
Could easily mistake 3:35 for Schoenberg or Webern
Huddiethegreat 8 months ago
Cuando Beethoven la compuso no fue bien aceptada, algunos decían que era fea. A mi no me lo parece, es muy complicada, pero no es fea, es monumental y causa un gran impacto en el oyente, que ese es el objetivo de la música romántica.
teresa2610 8 months ago
This piece is just monumental
Bagas 9 months ago
BEETHOVEEEEEEEN!!!!!...
julywapo 9 months ago
This orchestra just walked into Mordor.
julio13wrathchild 9 months ago 10
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waiihiwlwai 9 months ago
"Io credo in Dio, Mozart e Beethoven." - Richard Wagner
ironland75 10 months ago
I wasn't aware headbanging originated with cellists...
Sakkura1 10 months ago 23
@Sakkura1 Hell yeah!!! this is the worst kind of ear drum death ever!! my comment was gonna be AAARRGGGHHHHH!!! until i saw your comment which made me laugh along with the comment above... gonna try part 2 now..call me a sadist if you like.
newworldodour 7 months ago
is a quartett right?
tetragasmilecheputa 11 months ago
@tetragasmilecheputa Hmm, four people, two of them with violins, one with a viola and the last with a cello. Nope, must be either an aircraft carrier or a cantaloupe.
Sakkura1 10 months ago
oh and u foos trying to compare composers..... tsk tsk who the fuck r u to judge whos better than who? different composers from different periods took their own part in making music what it is now. all u dumbasses with ur "oh beethoven is a better composer than bach or mozart"............... with out bach or mozart, there wouldn't be beethoven. they all had different revelations towards music. so stfu and listen. ur ignorances r beyond idiotic.
TimChoFsho 11 months ago
@TimChoFsho Actually, it's stupid to compare the three of them not because one preceded the other but because they're not even the same sort of music. Bach is baroque, Mozart was Classical and Beethoven was Romantic... Just clearing that out.
TheGoodColonel 10 months ago
@TheGoodColonel ur comment is redundant/obvious/contradicting all at the same time. how did u do that?
TimChoFsho 10 months ago
@TimChoFsho its redundant and obvious - but certainly not contradicting. Besides the swearing, it is a fine statement to make.
Comparing composers is a waste of energy, no two human beings are alike, especially in art.
Igneous01 9 months ago
@TheGoodColonel thats exactly what he stated...
Igneous01 9 months ago
some of these comments r just plain stupid.
this piece is absolutely positively tonal. sure u can say this piece was the gateway to atonality but just because there r a lot of dissonant harmonies in this piece, does not make it atonal.
aside from dat, love u ludwig.
TimChoFsho 11 months ago
ostias.. este tema patea el trasero de cualquier cancion de apocaliptica o.o..
G0NZAL0666 1 year ago
I cant tell if this video is out of sync or not. Tat's awesome
decoyboy101 1 year ago
Wie kann ein einziger Mensch so etwas geniales komponieren?
MaximumBreaker 1 year ago
I love this Fugue its simple Great!
pianista191995 1 year ago
Menschen von simpler Natur mit , von Unterhaltungsmusik , abgetöteten Gefühlen "können" Beethoven nix abgewinnen.
Daran sind nicht sie selbst schuld sondern , wie schon in jeder dagewesenen Epoche , die "Gesellschaft".
DissonanceApproved 1 year ago
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MysweetGoldie1 1 year ago
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MysweetGoldie1 1 year ago
@MysweetGoldie1 Oh, stimmt! Der war natürlich nichts gegen die grossartigen Komponisten Kate Perry oder James Blunt! Tut mir leid, dass ich alles falsch eingeschätzt habe!
MaximumBreaker 1 year ago
@MaximumBreaker Entschuldigung angenommen und tschüss!
MysweetGoldie1 1 year ago
Beethoven war kein Gott. Aber er war es doch.
Ist das Göttliche nicht die größtmögliche menschliche Exzellenz? Beethoven hat diesen Status der Göttlichkeit erreicht, weil er hart genug gearbeitet hat, um an die Grenze des damals denkbaren zu kommen. Genauso wie Bach vor ihm, Brahms nach ihm und Henze jetzt, um mal ein paar deutsche Komponisten zu nennen.
playingmusiconmars 1 year ago
@playingmusiconmars Hört hört! Toller Kommentar ;-)
MaximumBreaker 1 year ago
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MysweetGoldie1 1 year ago
@MysweetGoldie1 Hör dir die große Fuge an, falle auf die Knie und weine vor Glück, weil du so ein geniales Stück anhören kannst!
MaximumBreaker 1 year ago
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MysweetGoldie1 1 year ago
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Ok, fassen wir mal die Situation zusammen: Du schreibst hier pauschal zu einem Video, das du nicht magst. Gut, ein mal kann man es ja machen. Du machst es allerdings permanent. Außerdem trägst du nichts substantielles bei, nimmst keine hilfreichen Ratschläge an und hast eine Aufmerksamkeitsspanne, die nur für kleingeistig zusammengeschusterte Unterhaltungsmusik ausreicht. Und in Anbetracht dessen spinne ICH.
Na sowas.
playingmusiconmars 1 year ago
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MysweetGoldie1 1 year ago
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MysweetGoldie1 1 year ago
Egal, was ihr alle sagt, Beethoven war auch nur ein Mensch, ihr denkt echt alle der war ein Gott! So was ist doch albern!
MysweetGoldie1 1 year ago
@MysweetGoldie1 , Gustav Mahler sagte: "Es gab nur Beethoven und Richard [Wagner] - und nach ihnen, niemand."
"Ich glaube an Gott, Mozart und Beethoven." - Richard Wagner
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MysweetGoldie1 1 year ago
@MysweetGoldie1 Na und? Und außerdem, wenn du Beethoven nicht magst, dann hör dir seine genialen Stücke einfach nicht die ganze Zeit an! Nn geh und hör dir James Blunts Gewinsel an.
MaximumBreaker 1 year ago
@sudrug To that, I would add Beethoven
benkissinger 1 year ago
@MysweetGoldie1, ein Mensch mit göttlichem Potential! Was denkst Du; haben Bach, Beethoven, oder Schönberg einfach nur irgendwelche Noten aufs Papier gemalt? Deren Werke sind für Normalsterbliche überhaupt nicht zu begreifen - das ist reine Transzendenz!
S0NNABEND 4 months ago
Die Große Fuge in B-Dur ist eine der besten Kompositionen von dem mit Abstand
am besten Komponisten aller Zeit, Ludwig van Beethoven!!!!!
PottingParting 1 year ago
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MysweetGoldie1 1 year ago
Ich glaube, du kannst mit der Musik nichts anfangen, weil sie dir nichts vorgibt, an das du dich beim Hören klammern kannst. Das ist ja bei simpler Unterhaltungsmusik immer ganz einfach, weil die Texte sofort im Kopf hast und damit einen fixen Eindruck über die Intention des Autoren.
Dieses Stück ist nicht nur technisches Training für das Quartett- es ist voller Leben und bewegter, dramatischer Bilder. Finde deine persönliche Szene dazu und du wirst es lieben.
playingmusiconmars 1 year ago
@playingmusiconmars Aber genau!
MaximumBreaker 1 year ago
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MysweetGoldie1 1 year ago
@MysweetGoldie1, you're not alone. It was first performed in 1826. Most who heard the Grosse Fuge, then, felt the same way as you feel about it.
sudrug 1 year ago
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MysweetGoldie1 1 year ago
@MysweetGoldie1: "no"? You want to say "know". 2: I know the reason: It's great music! That's it!
MaximumBreaker 1 year ago
@MysweetGoldie1 Gedudel? GEDUDEL? DAS IST GEDUDEL? Das einzige, was hier Gedudel ist, ist die Musik von James Blunt. Und nun zieh gefälligst deinen Hut vor Beethoven!
MaximumBreaker 1 year ago
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MysweetGoldie1 1 year ago
@MysweetGoldie1 , Strawinsky vorgeschlagen, dass man diese Musik hört mehrmals den Hörer die Wertschätzung zu erhöhen.
sudrug 1 year ago
@MysweetGoldie1 Sorry. Dass einem das Stück nicht gefällt ist ja ok, tatsächlich etwas gewöhnungsbedürftig, aber das als "Gedudel" abzutun geht nicht. Das ist Musik die hochkomplex und außerdem experimentell ist. Ein Komponist von der Größe Ludwig van Beethovens hat kein Gedudel geschrieben.
dakm1986 11 months ago
Es ist gute Musik aber ich kann nicht länger als 10 Sekunden zuhören:(
MysweetGoldie1 1 year ago
Danke Beethoven.
MaximumBreaker 1 year ago
Beethovens greatest piece by a far stretch.
It is amazing to see how much ahead of his time he was. I think if the general audience was better acquainted to the overall works of the late Beethoven and the early romantic composers like Chopin or Liszt, they would also understand the final step of emancipating dissonance and replacing the classical triadic system by new means of expression. Art has no leaps and discontinuities, it develops continuously.
playingmusiconmars 1 year ago
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I really love the first minute mostly from 0:56 to 1:13 , but then the music changes and i think i'm not able to understand this. It sounds like they would play two "songs" and you have to pick one of these out and listen to this and you have to ignore the other.
But i'm not sure. It's my interpretation.
MyHeartRocks 1 year ago
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MyHeartRocks 1 year ago
this must be so tiring to play lol
1ncaravag 1 year ago
Jesus H. Christ! This is heavier than metal...
pedroyambi 1 year ago 35
@pedroyambi Of course, it's classical music! ;)
violinscratcher 7 months ago
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clindt 1 year ago 4
@clindt Beethoven can not be ahead of our time, because he lived 2oo before us and his music is the greatsest
I ever heard
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Listening to this,
I feel all the beauty of a god gone insane,
and then all the pain
Snartes 1 year ago
listening to this,
I feel all the beauty of a god gone insane,
and then all the pain
Snartes 1 year ago
Those who cannot understand the music from their time cannot understand the world they live in.
mersault002 1 year ago
Beethoven is not musician. He's just Beethoven.
HenriNioto 1 year ago
Personally in my opinion, this piece is about life in reality, that ugly part we choose to ignore to live in a dream world. This piece is not like any other piece we can hear. I think it reflects on how Beethoven's life have been. Not that I know if its true, but its my guess.
claus93Sethsen 1 year ago
There are many reasons for u to be wrong about great fugue, and maybe what u call "solid" reasons , is not. But make a long chain of reasons to explain the intention of Beethoven writing this fugue would be boring...
italiandadi 1 year ago
Josh u're terribly wrong...
italiandadi 1 year ago
@italiandadi I don't think it's possible for one to be wrong about their taste. Maybe you can convince me otherwise but just telling me I'm terribly wrong when I gave a couple solid reasons for not liking this isn't going to work.
joshisanonymous 1 year ago
and most amazing of all is what he replaced this movement with - almost as if he were saying "You want something you can tap your foot to - so here's a tune that will make you dance like fools until you drop"
musthatedogs 1 year ago
It think that it's nonsense to say that Beethoven didn't know how this would sound and would've changed the sound of it if he knew how it would've sounded. He composed many "nice-sounding" pieces while he was deaf, just look at the 9th Symphony.
SystemBassist 1 year ago
Never did like this mvmt but I give it another shot every once in a while. Still don't like it. Always sounds like Beethoven failing at writing a traditional fugue more than purposely trying to do something radical. Not to mention that it sounds ridiculously out of place in the context of the full quartet. Obviously others like it, which is fine, but the arguments toward sjwright76 are terrible and stink of classical snobbery that should have died out 50 years ago.
joshisanonymous 1 year ago
@joshisanonymous It is simply Beethoven's musical experience bonded with Bach; I'm guessing you also can't handle the fugue in the Hammerklavier as well. Music is subjective but I would guess anything modern like Bartok's string quartets would also not mesh with you. It's ok to be limited in musical taste.
alvinkuo777 1 year ago
@alvinkuo777 This is exactly the snobbery I was referring to. You're claiming that this has nothing to do with my personal taste but only my limited ability to understand the music. You're also making assumptions about what I listen to, which includes music as varied and difficult as anyone could possibly claim. This attitude is why regular people think the classical world is full of pretentious asses. Essentially, get over yourself.
joshisanonymous 1 year ago
@joshisanonymous I said that you were limited in your taste, and that it was fine to be so. I don't like Schoenberg's twelve tone system for example. What do you listen to then? Do you like Bartok's serialism? Do you prefer Boulez's style or Ligeti? If I were a snob, I would clearly state that "you know nothing about Beethoven's music and like his contemporaries cannot understand the emotions welded to this fugue." Since I didn't, I would have to say to you: get over your anger.
alvinkuo777 1 year ago
@alvinkuo777 You claimed that I "can't handle" this, then listed something else I can't handle, then gave a snide remark about my "limited musical taste". Clearly, your response to me was meant as an insult but just to humor you, should I just list a couple modernist types? I like Saariaho, Muhly, Grisey, Murail, Scelsi, Dalbavie, Birtwistle, Ades, Andriessen, Cowell, Dumitrescu, Adams, Reich, Glass, Feldman, Penderecki, Gorecki, Kodaly, Kurtag, Messiaen, Takemitsu, Zhou, Berio, Eotvos,
joshisanonymous 1 year ago
@alvinkuo777 Partch, Risset, Stockhausen, La Monte Young, and the list can go on and this isn't including older classical music or the fact that I listen to just as much music in other genres ranging from world music to experimental hip-hop.
joshisanonymous 1 year ago
@joshisanonymous
you should have just said that you don't like it. No one would care about it.
But saying things like "ridiculously out of place in the context of the full quartet" proves not only that you have a very limited taste in music (and have no ear, at all) but you're also stupid enough to express your ignorance.
There are more things in heaven and earth, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.. accept it. And, this you can call snobbery.
garycsonka 1 year ago
@garycsonka Explain to me my stupidity then instead of brandishing quotes from Hamlet. This doesn't sound out of place in this quartet? Were there sections from other movements that hinted at the fugue? Was this how all string quartets ended at the time? All I hear in your response is, "You don't like what I like! Waah! You're a stupid head!" If you love this music you should be explaining what I must be missing instead of hurling personal insults.
joshisanonymous 1 year ago
@joshisanonymous You have a right to dislike this work. And it is not great because it anticipates 20th century music. But when a composer writes the five late quartets, we should hesitate to call any movement of his a failure. The key to the G.F. is that it combines in one mvt the usual 4. About 3/4 of the way through, the development of the "4th mvt" becomes a dev and recap of the entire G.F. This info cannot make it great. But it may make a difference in your listening to it with sympathy.
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@joshisanonymous Beethoven was the apex of western counterpoint - a straight trajectory from Palestrina to Bach and Beethoven. As far as the relation of this fugue to the other movements - I believe shock value and the sheer magnitude of the piece is why Stravinsky said it will always be contemporary. Compare instead to op.130 -131
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musthatedogs 1 year ago
lol. this is so hard they look like apocalyptica ppl.
Laudan08 1 year ago
@nitro95901 No one composer is better than any other. Beethoven's greatest works were his symphonies and his luscious melodies. Bach's greatest works were his organ pieces, fugues, and generally all baroque music. Mozart's music is abundant, because of this he has a smaller masterpiece ratio (if you will) than Beethoven and Bach. Saying Mozart's symphonies are better than Mozart's is like saying this fugue is better than Bach's-it simply just isn't. :)
Kn0wnTooWeLL 1 year ago
Beethoven is the baddest mother ever!
clindt 1 year ago
RAW EMOTION!!!
iateyourgranny 1 year ago
Grosse Fuge, Great Fue, La Gran Fuga (Spanish) Is One Of The Best Themes Or Songs If We Called Like That, From Beethoven, I Really Love This Masterpiece...
Este Es Uno De Los Mejores Tema O Cancion Si La Llamamos Asi De Beethoven, Amo Esta Hobra Maestra,
AcapulcoRomantico20 1 year ago
This shows that beauty has many many forms. Composers like Chopin or Mozart stuck pretty much to what sounded great and that's why people liked it, it sounds very pleasing to the ear and it is, the public was used to one form of beauty and critisized beethoven so much because of this. Beethoven realised that beauty comes from your gut too and this reflects that. And those who still say that this is garbage have a one dimensional mind. No room for expansion to see what music can be.
1198g 1 year ago
It's not about like or not like such masterminds (mozart definitely was)
or in which position are you
jbxd8 1 year ago
That's interesting: GBADCD, jaryH3 and Grotarus91 (and myself) all think that Beethoven failed to outdo J.S. Bach, -and not Mozart, that's the interesting point! Is there anybody here who's an Amadeus fan? XD
Anyway, long live both Bach and Beethoven!
(sorry for my bad English)
Anormalista89 1 year ago
Hm..I enjoy much of Beethoven's music, very much of it...but I find it difficult to ENJOY listening to this..some people have music other than for enjoyment I suppose
Philsonpott 1 year ago
Sjwright76, you have in mind is shit, only shit, son of a bitch. People like you should all be hanged. The world needs a cleaning. The fault is not yours, is your parents to bring the civilization an abortion like you. PIG.
GBADCD 1 year ago
Ludvig would've changed this one if he could've heard it. This is like torture listening to this. Very irritating.
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This crap is garbage. Just because it's Beethoven all you non-discerning dweebs think it's perfect. Beethoven wrote stinkers too, same as anyone else, and this was definitely one of them.
sjwright76 1 year ago
@sjwright76, although many of history's greatest musicians have & would disagree with you, the other family members living in my home side with you. In any case, thanks for the amusing post.
sudrug 1 year ago 5
@sudrug I respond by deathbymunkey : Johann Sebastian Bach
GBADCD 1 year ago
@sjwright76 crap it´s what you are saying....
This is really great Music, it´s not because it´s Beethoven, it´s because it is Great.
Misantropo04 1 year ago
@Misantropo04 You must be tone deaf.
sjwright76 1 year ago
@sjwright76 tone deaf?? ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
You must be idiot deaf, oh no, You are a Idiot deaf.
Misantropo04 1 year ago
@sjwright76 The fact that this 180 year old composition still sounds like "crap" for many people even today is testament to how far ahead of his time Beethoven was. As Stravinsky said, it's an "absolutely contemporary piece of music that will be contemporary forever."
moltovivace 1 year ago
@moltovivace Oh, so by your theory, if something sounds like crap just wait long enough and it will start sounding good? I don't think so. It doesn't work that way. And you base your opinions on what Stravinsky said? Just like the guy who posted this video replied: "although many of history's greatest musicians have & would disagree with you" THINK FOR YOURSELF!!!!
sjwright76 1 year ago
@sjwright76 To the people of the early Renaissance, 4ths, 3rds, and 6ths sounded like "crap" that needed immediate resolution. Taste for dissonance has, in fact, expanded rapidly since then up until the 20th's century's total abandonment of tonality. This piece is intellectually profound and will evoke feelings within you in ways that "nice sounding" music never could, but only if you give it the chance to. You may need to consciously work to expand your harmonic appetite first, however.
moltovivace 1 year ago 8
@moltovivace I think that with grosse fuge beethoven pushed the limits of harmony and melodic lines of his time, reached the edge, and at first was, unfortunately, not published because of that. I can still find sense in all that "junk", its a damn fuge for god's sake! There are the lines, the answers, the themes, everything. what the hell where they thinking?! :D
SpyVi 9 months ago
@sjwright76 you should put a hot iron in the ass. Go talk to the bitch that bore you.
GBADCD 1 year ago
I have to say I prefer the Takacs version, though critical opinion is against me.
handsomerob48 1 year ago
a friend of Beethoven who was also a famous violinist those time, esteemed this fugue as " a completele failure" . this incident is written on the web of wikipedia.
However, raher modern aetist have been evaluating this great structure of music is a complete modern art.
as a rule, i think definitely that graet works would be recognized "great" only through the screen of the name of histry.
hanalaw 1 year ago
I always lose track of all the voices at 1:15. Their all tragically leaping and bouncing in circles..
Huddiethegreat 1 year ago
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sonicide1 1 year ago
@Huddiethegreat "I always lose track of all the voices at 1:15" -At this point we have the cello and vl 2 playing the main theme (the start of the piece) and the viola and vln1 playing the counter subject (dDAA_dDAA). After that the cello screams the C.S. again and leads into free fugue that is all derived from these 2 sources.Listen to the overture at the beginning and you will find the seeds of the entire piece. FYI the best piece of music written requires many many listenings to understand.
sonicide1 1 year ago
A deaf composers outdoes 99% of all hearing composers. Heh.
deathbymunkey 1 year ago 2
@deathbymunkey I think that's 100%
johnalt16 1 year ago
@deathbymunkey, who are the 1% of composers who Beethoven fails to outdo?
sudrug 1 year ago 44
@sudrug: He has put himself in an awkward position. If he thinks that there are composers who are better than Beethoven, then he is misguided. In addition, if indeed he understands how percentages work, and recognizes that he is better than all of the composers there are, then he'd still have to say 99.999...%, because Beethoven is himself a composer. But he specified "hearing composers," thus taking him back to step 1. If he misspoke, then he knows a total of 100 composers, which is sad.
AntonVonShrodinger 1 year ago
@sudrug I'm just qualifying the statement justice in case 100% happens to be incorrect. I will notify you if I find a composer better than Beethoven.
deathbymunkey 1 year ago
@sudrug I'm qualifying the statement just in case saying "100%" happens to be incorrect. I will tell you if a match for Beethoven is born. Actually, I won't have to tell you. Just listen for the angels singing :D
deathbymunkey 1 year ago
@sudrug timbaland. chad kroeger, moby. just to name a few,
guitarguy84 1 year ago
@guitarguy84 excuse me, but, what. the...? this is art. those people make vomit.
Jolteon206 1 year ago
@sudrug I don't know maybe Vivaldi?
1996jay 1 year ago
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@sudrug Johann Sebastian Bach
GBADCD 1 year ago
@sudrug Bach.
jaryH3 1 year ago
@sudrug: J.S. Bach :)
Grotarus91 1 year ago 4
@sudrug
Chopin.
UnionJaked 1 year ago
@sudrug bach,mozart,sorabji
eggiliciousness 1 year ago
@sudrug good question... If he said 100 percent of composers then it would have meant that he considered beethoven the greatest, which is debatable. he merely fails to outdo them, but he easily can be considered "Equal" to them.
19ZeldaLover95 1 year ago
@sudrug I dunno. Maybe the ones a century from now? :P
einootspork 1 year ago
@sudrug
Mozart and Bach, although thats not 1% of composers, its about .01% haha.
metalnevadies 1 year ago
@sudrug maybe mozart....beethoven ties him......even thou in my opinion beethoven is a little better
PSNDemonwing 1 year ago
@deathbymunkey more like 100% of every composer......most prestigious composers is Beethoven and Mozart
PSNDemonwing 1 year ago
Music very obviously composed when Beethoven was completely deaf. ;)
andrewthompson10 1 year ago
@andrewthompson10 Can you please explain ? What makes it obvious ?
Metalloys 1 year ago
@Metalloys Oh, sorry, it just sounds that way because it is so dissonant, it is easy to imagine Beethoven didn't realize what it actually sounded like (and in fact he did compose it when he was completely deaf). I was kind of joking, but it is not easy music to understand. I don't claim to understand it.
andrewthompson10 1 year ago
Exactly Alex 4LP.... Beethoven makes feel the whole universe in one melody. He is the greatest of all time. He is not only music, he is sadness, madness, happyness, death and live. He is the universe and the entire human beeing..
invictum01 1 year ago
it was in the early 20th century when classical composers ran out of ideas and started to compose gibberish. Obviously Beethoven was ahead of his time with this mess
sondano 1 year ago 2
@sondano - FYI see"The 'Grosse Fuge: An Analysis," by Sydney Grew in "Music and Letters," vol. 12, No. 3 (July, 1931), p. 253-261 (available through Oxford University press - online @ jstor)
anferginan 1 year ago
1:56 that guys like headbanging lol GO !! WOOO !!
HaLfDeAdArtist 1 year ago 2
@HaLfDeAdArtist well metal and classical are very similar in alot of ways so lol makes since
tokeification 1 year ago
@tokeification arnt they ? i hate ppl who say they arnt similar.
HaLfDeAdArtist 1 year ago
@tokeification
Would you care to name a few ways in which they are similar?
Moon0Royalty 1 year ago
@Moon0Royalty listen to metal and youll know how. it would take me days to explain
tokeification 1 year ago
meta in generall is very different from classical. What you mean is that the progressive metal genre bears some slight similarities to classical
eothel 1 year ago
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this sounds like shit, my fucking ears, nails on chalk boards
KILL IT WITH FIRE AND MAGNETS!!!
cosmicism 1 year ago
they are great performers!
shreivox 1 year ago
lovely ugly
KanonNishi 1 year ago 4
"Unsatisfied to have composed 18th century's music, Beethoven then composed 19th century's music"
Sorry for bad english
Laurentpiano9 1 year ago
It's not even agressive, it's...tender, delicate, because, such changes in the harmony, are delightful. There's always something in Beethoven's music that makes me remember I can feel.
How marvelous is the contrast between lines, the sensation of drowning into one's own soul and unconventional, not comprehended love...
Truly beautiful*
GothicalSOberhauser 1 year ago
@GothicalSOberhauser I could not put it any better. When I first heard this piece I really wasn't sure if I liked it. Now I know exactly what you mean. It reminds me I can feel! Only Beethoven can do that.
Tillyvalle 1 year ago
@GothicalSOberhauser I think it is brutal, agressive, and I like it a lot !
Laurentpiano9 1 year ago
I find it very aggessive in some ways. It's a monument of romanticism which entails being aggressive, and shaking the listener-perhaps to enlighten and spur to compassion in this ambiguous world. this movement can bring tears to the eyes. it may lack spontaniety but LVB's understanding of music and the ability to treat the instruments as indvidual partners is not to be under estimated or unappreciated.
BoyntonBuck 1 year ago
I didn't mean it was not agressive in a 'de facto' way, but, at least to me, it sounds just great, tender and beautiful, regardless of its 'agressiveness'. Of course, I agree with you when you say it entails the way it's written, and the way it's supposed to be played, although, perhaps it's just my perception.
GothicalSOberhauser 1 year ago
Onheilspellend geniaal en meeslepend
CuriosusSum 1 year ago
to those saying this is "ugly" or "beautiful", it is neither -- this is so incredibly fantastic that it far surpasses such simple adjectives.
flammesombres 2 years ago 8
Can someone PLEASE post the piano duet, op. 134? I mean, its not in any video - so, well, what I can't get I want even more. BTW its Beethoven's piano variation he made because he disliked changing the end of Grosse Fugue for his audience.
Narvatar 2 years ago