This whole point, where they are talking about God being evil like creating darkness. He created satan as lucifer, a beautiful angel. But God does not control and lucifer decided to turn dark himself.ALL the evil we see on the earth today is from the DEVIL. Jesus came to destroy the work that the devil has done. The reason there is so much doubt is that people who claim the name of Christ have been hypocritical, weak, cowardly, lacking in power. That is not what Jesus was like.
morality is a choice, it does not matter weather you have a god or not, to get along and remain free in a civilized society you must not steal, kill , rape and otherwise cause unrest. You do not need a god to tell you those things are wrong, and you love those around you with whom you act daily, family, close friends who are there when you need someone, again no god needed to feel love.
@robtay1963 the way I see it, what first happens when one becomes an atheist (at least when I became one), is that we do kinda fall into a period of moral nihilism. For me, becomming an atheist was a process of re-evaluating my morals, values etc...
@VanessaTexasGal Yes, Me too. What I can not comprehend is how anyone can read the OT and no realize that we are already far more moral then this pretend bronze age, power hungry, genocidal, bigoted, women hating, megalomaniac. I get my morals from living in a peace loving society, and being taught love and compassion by my parents. Any one who gets there morals from the god of the bible is to me a scary person. Acts 5:1- 11, is sick and its in the NT, not to mention human sacrifice, how sick
@robtay1963 I agree. the thing is, saying that something is right just because god said so, makes morality completely arbitrary. It means that if god was to say "murder is good" then it would be ok to kill people. Morality is there for a reason. it's a tool we use to be able to live together in a society and cooperate, so that I can reach my goals, while not interfering with yours
@VanessaTexasGal What is sad is that christians don't even realize how bad the OT is and when they do read it they excuse as well that was in the OT , jesus came to abolish those laws, then in the same breath they quote the 10 commandments, hello you just said those were abolished. But even if what they said made sense, would you let a reformed child rapist watch your children....I am proud to say I am way more moral by standards of common decency then the Biblical god.
@VanessaTexasGal Of course what they also don't understand is learning the bible is absurd is the beginning, the next step is realizing that a lot of the stuff in the bible was to explain things men could not understand 3000 years ago. Science has progressed to the point of not needing an invisible intangible flying man to explain weather and earth quakes and such. Bronze age myth silly, why worship biblical god why not Zeus or Ra, or Odin they are way cooler then KJV god anyway. LOL
well if evil is the abscene of not believing in god, then why are buddhists not evil? they're one of the most peacefullest people on earth and they don't even believe in A god :)
so god sends innocent people who have no way of ever hearing of him to an eternity of hellfire and torment for no other reason than they didnt believe in him. this is the same guy ray comfort said was "moral, just, righteous, and good". theres 2 options here. either god isnt real, or hes a real prick. either way, why the hell would you want to worship god?
@davidainjs well thats your interpretation of scripture. most Christians believe that not knowing the law isn't an excuse. Even Ray Comfort in this debate says the same thing because the question comes up. The only unpardonable sin according to the bible besides blasphemy is non belief. That means that the "just, moral, righteous, and perfect" god will give murderers, rapists, genocidal madmen, torturers, lyers, and thiefs another chance. However if you dont believe... you burn.
funny thing is you know most atheists (if they get the chance) will pray to god before they die because deep down they know the possibility exists...thats very interesting to me
This debate sucks. These atheists are not good debaters. You should watch the discussion between Ray Comfort, Matt Dillahunty and Russell Glasser on The Atheist Experience if you want a more serious discussion about whether God exists (instead of this one about communism and the theory of evolution.)
Bad debate from both sides. It doesn't matter if atheists or Christians can "be good" as a society. It matters who is right, and the arguments decide that.
if we take that logic of athiesm and evolution then i will go and killl each of u athiests and evolutionist and will not get nothing for it just 60 80 years of life in prisone how fair from ur side isnt it that u lay in the ground and thats it no more after life, no go to be fair no justice just 60 years for me haha nice i can take that easy to sit in a cell and not have to take the responsibility to anything after i die, u lie to ur self that that there is no god
oh how scary it is to u atheists and evolutionist u try to comfort your selfs from having to take responsibility, so Hitler killed whole bunch of people and is resting fine in the dust no no no thats not what i knowwwwwwwwwww i know for a fact that u know there is a god and if u seek proof and say will if there was a god he would show him self but yet u dont think to your self do i deserve to see the holy god when u are soooooo sinful and deny him and dont even acknowledge him do u?
I've always taken atheism as the sensible default position. NOBODY believes in any of this shit until and unless they're indoctrinated with it. Imagine if you're an adult and had never heard of christianity or anything like it, and some people approached you and told you that not only is it all true, you have to believe in it or you will burn forever in a lake of fire. You'd laugh them right out of the room. And don't give me "god spoke to me" nonsense; your brain can fool you, unfortunately
The man who pointed out that atheism leads to corrupt governments had a very good point. I may have said that correlation does not equate causation but I was referring to crime rates in various nations when I said that. Now I am talking about how godlessness leads to the establishment of corrupt governments like Hitler's Nazi Party and Stalin's Communist Party. Morality clearly comes from God. When mankind rejects God and His commandments, mankind rejects morality.
The woman's comment about the USA being the most criminal nation in the world is not true. The UK and Australia apparently have higher crime rates than the USA and they are more atheist than the USA. In contrast to the USA's 'In God We Trust' banknotes, the UK's banknotes have pictures of Charles Darwin on them. However, correlation does not equate causation and that argument is therefore pointless. The man in the middle is so good at being neutral!
if any thing Jesus is an amalgamation of various clams of alleged prophets
and, as for the bibles accuracies(scientific or otherwise) well the bible contradicts it self several times even down to the same chapter of what ever biblical book your are reading maybe kirk and ray should try reading there own holy books
@ILovetohateI I respectfully decline the invitation to argue with Dr. Zakir Naik on the grounds that it is a cop out; I could just as easily refer you to other authorities on the subject countering these very claims. If you care to argue these points, research them yourself and then argue them from a knowledgeable perspective.
As to the formation of an embryo, the Qu'ran presents the perspective of the time (that of the ancient Greeks) which is flawed.
@ILovetohateI My good sir, the Greek philosopher Anaxagoras theorized the reflection of the Sun's light by the moon roughly 1,000 years prior to the Prophet.
Also, one who has knowledge of the scientific advances of the day cannot necessarily be said to get 'lucky' when speaking on science. Please list some of these 1000 surahs on science which Muhammad correctly spoke on. You might begin with the surah on a cow's milk preceding from it's stomach. Just a suggestion...
@ILovetohateI@ILovetohateI I am a kafir who as converted from Christianity to Atheism to Islam and back to Atheism. Islam is NOT any more tenable than any other religion on the basis of it being scientifically supported. The science of the Qu'ran is in large part restatement of the medical knowledge supported at the time. This knowledge can be proved false easily. Take in mind one of the companions of the Prophet Muhammad was a classically trained physician studied in this system of thought.
Rational Response didn't give a good response. They didn't give a good explaination of what Evolution is. But it also sounds like they were very nervous so I guess I can't deny them.
Redhead is completely clueless, she really shouldn't even be up on stage. No evidence Jesus was ever a man? So let's not believe that ANYONE who has ever passed away ever lived either. Moderator also continues to have to rephrase questions to the "Rational Responders." lol Can they not figure out how to answer questions on their own?
sorry, didnt watch the rest of the video, not that i take back my claim but want to answer that one faggot
as for the 'atheist' nations, look up the human development index and nations that are mostly athiests
oh whats that? theyre in first? HOW COULD THAT BE WITH NO RELIGION BACKING THEM?!?1"
the only reason why i watch videos like this is to get lulz from delusional people, makes me sad inside that people are this stupid, but also generates excellent lulz
he said god will judge those that havnt heard the gospel for murder etc, what if you were a good person that hasnt heard the gospel? they cant answer that. they believe everyone is damned by default of being born. that is insane. Christianity has to go.
If it pleases you to suggest that there was a winner in the debate, the so be it. Both sides did horrible jobs representing their views. Neither side made points that showed they knew their sides well. For the lay men, either side would have been impressive, however, if a person understood the fields of knowledge they were talking about, both sides clearly failed at their respective premises.
@stevieh4810 Neither side won, both sides can offer counter-arguments to the other side's argument. There is no logical conclusion. There are 3 options: live without belief and be proven wrong and burn in Hell, live with belief and receive everlasting life, or just simply live. No one knows for sure what the truth is. Anyone who says they know what the truth is is a liar. A smart man admits his lack of knowledge and questions everything without bias.
@leoniccc Right well why do atheists always get mad and pist off? And when there stump with a question they will just insult your faith? Not all maybe but most in debates even Richard dawkins.
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I liked the question right at the end, but Ray [? that's his name, right?] didn't answer it. All four of them have been dodging the questions. Not only that, but they're -arguing- and not debating.
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List of Non-Christian historians who spoke of Jesus as a historical person. Why would the enemies of Christianity lend credibility to it by mentioning it as if true? Tacitus Suetonius Josephus Pliny the Younger Emperor Trajan Talmud Lucian of Samosta Mara Bar-Serapion Maimonides Philopon
well give me their entire dialogue on what they said about him. im sure there were ALOT of non christians who celebrate christians. how many do you think are lending credibility to jesus being born, wrong day btw, by celebrating xmas.
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@BaneOfFreeSpeech - "Give me?" What are you, a baby? Go find it yourself. I listed all the non-Christian references to Jesus Christ as a historical person for the atheists who throw canned fits about how the Bible is fairy tales, and that you can't trust it. Showing them this list is like showing a cross to a vampire.
@Everyone Else - On judgment day, you will answer to God for every time you lied ever. You know you are guilty, and that you deserve eternal punishment.
well here is the thing. where did you get that list? if it was readily available to you, you shouldn't have a problem. but im guessing you just used someone elses list.and i dont feel like reading EVERYTHING those people said to find the quote mined misrepresented sentence you christians use."give me" how can you not believe evolution when then FORCE FEED you evidence that creationism can NEVER bring. evolution gives evidence and that is what you creationists ask for. but we dont call you babies
In response to anime1217's comment and anyone else who demands scientific proof of god for ANYTHING I quote form the bible;
Romans 9;20 "Nay but, O man who art though that repliest against god? Shall the thing formed say unto that which formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
Humble yourself please, Measure you r self against gods law (The 10 commandments) Believe that Jesus Christ died for your sins, repent of your sins (take up your cross daily) and return to god thru faith in Christ.
What I want to know is where are the cavemen? We have proof they existed and we have the writings in the caves, why don't cavemen show up in the bible? Same goes for dinosaurs.
im amazed that a grown man can believe this religious nonsense. if adam and eve were the 1st ppl, then how are we here today? did eve have sex with her own children, or did her own children fuck eachother? bcuz the ONLY ONLY ONLY way for the human race to continue, is for adam and eves OWN family to have sex with eachother. id LOVE 4 any of u religious idiots to answer that question. i bet u wont, bcuz ive asked hundreds of times on here and none of u religious nuts will engage this question.
I think what that woman says is blasphemy and In Gods eyes thats a great sin God is God and the only God the Alpha and Omega and if u do nt know the lord thy God You will hve your turn in the lake of fire on judgement day God is a fair God and so if u repent of your sins he will forgive you and have you notice the difference beetween the atheists behavour and the christians the christians were calm and never interuptted bt the atheists were quite rude
Usually people start getting upset when the oponent isn't making any sense at all. Proof your claims, otherwise they will remain to be nothing else than baseless bullcrap.
Theists often call atheists arrogant, yet they claim to have absolute truth about reality where theists have grown the necessary balls to emit a sincere "i don't know". Just because you can't explain something it doesnt mean you can automatically give credit to your imaginary friend about it.
samfam222, i bet u feel great in the knowledge that anyone who doesnt believe what u believe will suffer for eternity. and u say WE are sinful. i think ur a sick person who likes the idea that all of us atheists will go to hell. if there is a god, he would probably think THAT is the REAL sin, wishing torturous things upon ur opponents. ur a sick fuck samfam222
Why keep Kirk? All he does is quote mine, makes assertions without evidence and uses appeal to emotion. How many mistakes can one make about evolution? CamMORON is a goof.
Woah, did Ray just totally contradict himself at the end? He said that the Gospel wasn't required to be saved, yet applauded the missionaries for delivering the Gospel because it comes with a free saviour?
It annoys me how he says that God will judge you on rape, murder, theft, all these common "sins" yet leaves out the ones about idolotry, and having no other gods before YHWH. If the aboriginals are morally good, but worship the rainbow serpent, they're toast!
listen again mother fucker. the evidence for a HISTORIC jesus is extremely lacking. the bible is historical as a story. just like the illiad and last of the mohicans are historical literary works yet not historical.
unless of course you have real evidence for virgin birth, walking on water, spontaneous healings, raising the dead, and large doves descending from space?????
I think he's been incredibly neutral. If you've watched the whole debate he's been just as hard on the Christians when they're talking crap and not answering questions.
In an earlier part (I'm not going to go back through and find it) he was bringing up brilliant questions against the Christians of his own accord.
It's a shame; Kirk is actually sitting on a potential goldmine with Intelligent Design but it's completely obscured by the mythical stories of the bible.
The Rational Response Squad present themselves as a bunch of douche bags. While I do not agree with them, I think Kirk and Ray made a much better argument.
Really? I thought Kirk and Ray showed they know nothing about anything. Again. The last part, Ep 2 part 2 was worse though. I almost cried at how little they understand basic concepts.
i'll agree that the rational response squad could have debated this subject better, HOWEVER, the fact remains- the rational response squad won this debate hands down.
cuntfart and camMORON are incompetant boobs!! asshat!
Not dumb, it's reallity and it's what evidence point to. How can anyone be dumb enough to believe in magic and sky daddy when we eat, shit, reproduce and die like every other mammal? Christians and high school dropouts!
No its because they repeated the same stuff throughout the entire thing. I would get pissed off too. And Kirk and that misrepresented evolution entirely. They lied. The bible also speaks of stoning people to death for sinning, various times. Shall I put my faith in what the bible says and stone you to death?
that is part of the old covenant i the old testament for the People of israel....the new covenant is in the new testament established by Jesus...read it and seek revealtion from the Holy Spirit...God Bless
gay cuntfart and kirk camMORON were arrogant bigoted hypocrites all through the debate. i wonder what "fruit" is lacking in their lives. none. they're both fruitcakes!!
lol you have a really bad image about God.....you need to read the Bible and seek revelation from the Holy Spirit...why do you think this and i'll help explain......
it was because of their sin that God decided to kill them...that is part of the old covenant of the old testament Jesus established the new covenant for everyone....i have amazing stories of muslim hindu's turning to Jesus...its is called the silent secret we have established secret churches in india and nepal and many other parts in the world ...i don't believe in religion i believe in conviction and relationship with the Holy Spirit..GOD is LOVE ...read the book the two faces of love to see
I have read the Bible, many times. And do you think that there was not one rational argument that the Agnostic Atheists have? If so your pretty crazy. And if God is love why is there suffering and pain. If God created animals he created virus's also which kill people all the time.
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God sets boundaries,,we cross them and suffer because of our sinful nature...because we have Free will....u need to seek revelation of the Holy Spirit ot understand....im crazy for God!!....God Bless..
Jesus said I will forgive you of all your sins except blasphemy. So I am forgiven. And god is forgiving according to you so if he sends me to hell he is no more than a human being, with human emotions such as anger and hate. They say there is no other side of God but love. But if god created evil then it must be part of his character. Answer questions please you lunatic.
how do u define blasphemy in the Aramic language?.....God is forgiving because if u accept Jesus he does not see your sin he sees the sacrafice of Jesus....Only in the time of our Flesh will he forgive us... we are the ones that send ourself to Hell because of our evil nature....while there is life there is Hope God bless u... God is love...i recommend u read the "the Two faces of Love" and seek The Holy Spirit revelation...
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wow so much. from you atheist..what have you done 4 the world...all you are trying to dod is bash the bible and talk shit cause you think you know the answers to the world...if you dont believe in god then why are you talking about god...
where to you get your questions fron richard faggins.....you are full of so much hate god made life deal with it...
the god of the bible kills more people than the devi and hitler.ggd comands for moses to kill and rape.if u say thats a lie then u obviously have'nt read the bible
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that is true ..it is written an "eye for an eye" and death for disobediance...that was because they deserved to die...we deserve to die too because of our evil sinful nature....but all of that is part of the old covenant in the old testament for the people (ISRAEL) Jesus established the NEW covenant in the new testament for EVERYONE....God Bless
i thought she was pritty good. i can see some was i think she could have improved her arguments. but she still did a much better job then i could have done without HER.
leave all the hate..open your heart and accept Jesus as your lord and savior with a true and humble heart and God will reveal to you like he did to me.........i belive because it is written not just in the Bible but in many books of history and i have tried it myself with and without faith.. and it is some thing you can only experince by yourself........and the one that convict you that it is real is the Holy Spirit....try it you got nothing to loose...
you are a prof that he exist.....we will never understand our creator our understanding can only go so far......he dose not have to prove himself he is God....
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Great debate!
tnmusicman1 1 week ago
This whole point, where they are talking about God being evil like creating darkness. He created satan as lucifer, a beautiful angel. But God does not control and lucifer decided to turn dark himself.ALL the evil we see on the earth today is from the DEVIL. Jesus came to destroy the work that the devil has done. The reason there is so much doubt is that people who claim the name of Christ have been hypocritical, weak, cowardly, lacking in power. That is not what Jesus was like.
scrunchfaceable 1 month ago
morality is a choice, it does not matter weather you have a god or not, to get along and remain free in a civilized society you must not steal, kill , rape and otherwise cause unrest. You do not need a god to tell you those things are wrong, and you love those around you with whom you act daily, family, close friends who are there when you need someone, again no god needed to feel love.
robtay1963 6 months ago
@robtay1963 the way I see it, what first happens when one becomes an atheist (at least when I became one), is that we do kinda fall into a period of moral nihilism. For me, becomming an atheist was a process of re-evaluating my morals, values etc...
VanessaTexasGal 2 months ago
@VanessaTexasGal Yes, Me too. What I can not comprehend is how anyone can read the OT and no realize that we are already far more moral then this pretend bronze age, power hungry, genocidal, bigoted, women hating, megalomaniac. I get my morals from living in a peace loving society, and being taught love and compassion by my parents. Any one who gets there morals from the god of the bible is to me a scary person. Acts 5:1- 11, is sick and its in the NT, not to mention human sacrifice, how sick
robtay1963 2 months ago
@robtay1963 I agree. the thing is, saying that something is right just because god said so, makes morality completely arbitrary. It means that if god was to say "murder is good" then it would be ok to kill people. Morality is there for a reason. it's a tool we use to be able to live together in a society and cooperate, so that I can reach my goals, while not interfering with yours
VanessaTexasGal 2 months ago
@VanessaTexasGal What is sad is that christians don't even realize how bad the OT is and when they do read it they excuse as well that was in the OT , jesus came to abolish those laws, then in the same breath they quote the 10 commandments, hello you just said those were abolished. But even if what they said made sense, would you let a reformed child rapist watch your children....I am proud to say I am way more moral by standards of common decency then the Biblical god.
robtay1963 2 months ago
@VanessaTexasGal Of course what they also don't understand is learning the bible is absurd is the beginning, the next step is realizing that a lot of the stuff in the bible was to explain things men could not understand 3000 years ago. Science has progressed to the point of not needing an invisible intangible flying man to explain weather and earth quakes and such. Bronze age myth silly, why worship biblical god why not Zeus or Ra, or Odin they are way cooler then KJV god anyway. LOL
robtay1963 2 months ago
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robtay1963 6 months ago
Comfort and Camoron are winners!!!!
secretb 6 months ago
@secretb Really?
3234718 1 month ago
"do you believe in george washington" haha get rayped
zazzeyzaz 6 months ago 2
Well not only does Ray know nothing about science, now he shows he doesn't know anything about history either.
milesalpha1 7 months ago
well if evil is the abscene of not believing in god, then why are buddhists not evil? they're one of the most peacefullest people on earth and they don't even believe in A god :)
audveltadmuna 7 months ago
so god sends innocent people who have no way of ever hearing of him to an eternity of hellfire and torment for no other reason than they didnt believe in him. this is the same guy ray comfort said was "moral, just, righteous, and good". theres 2 options here. either god isnt real, or hes a real prick. either way, why the hell would you want to worship god?
autopsy87 8 months ago
@autopsy87 No that's not true god does not send innocent people to hell god will judge accordingly.
davidainjs 7 months ago
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davidainjs 7 months ago
@davidainjs well thats your interpretation of scripture. most Christians believe that not knowing the law isn't an excuse. Even Ray Comfort in this debate says the same thing because the question comes up. The only unpardonable sin according to the bible besides blasphemy is non belief. That means that the "just, moral, righteous, and perfect" god will give murderers, rapists, genocidal madmen, torturers, lyers, and thiefs another chance. However if you dont believe... you burn.
autopsy87 7 months ago 2
@davidainjs also, if god doesnt judge people for not hearing the word... all the more reason to banish the word right?
autopsy87 7 months ago
funny thing is you know most atheists (if they get the chance) will pray to god before they die because deep down they know the possibility exists...thats very interesting to me
Jwild628 9 months ago
@Jwild628
Which god are we going to pray to?
JMUDoc 9 months ago
This debate sucks. These atheists are not good debaters. You should watch the discussion between Ray Comfort, Matt Dillahunty and Russell Glasser on The Atheist Experience if you want a more serious discussion about whether God exists (instead of this one about communism and the theory of evolution.)
ctchampagne 10 months ago
That woman, that voice, it sounds like a thousand ducks singing in a choir, damn what an annoying sound of her voice.
Databamse 11 months ago
Bad debate from both sides. It doesn't matter if atheists or Christians can "be good" as a society. It matters who is right, and the arguments decide that.
Ledwix 1 year ago
I'm surprised I've made it this many parts in. Every time camron or comfort says something I feel dumber.
ZeroContentSF 1 year ago
calling dna "digital information" is not an accurate explanation.
GreatNorthWeb 1 year ago
the bible is like nostradomas, they are both so vague that anyone could come to conclusions based off of the writings.
Requiemxtoxinnocence 1 year ago
Gah, every time Ray opens his mouth I cringe.
HighOnPaint 1 year ago
if we take that logic of athiesm and evolution then i will go and killl each of u athiests and evolutionist and will not get nothing for it just 60 80 years of life in prisone how fair from ur side isnt it that u lay in the ground and thats it no more after life, no go to be fair no justice just 60 years for me haha nice i can take that easy to sit in a cell and not have to take the responsibility to anything after i die, u lie to ur self that that there is no god
4lifelg 1 year ago
@4lifelg
I wonder how proud you'll be when you're confined to a cell for the rest of your life getting ass raped by Bubba the Bible Thumper in there with you.
Primordialfan1 1 year ago
oh how scary it is to u atheists and evolutionist u try to comfort your selfs from having to take responsibility, so Hitler killed whole bunch of people and is resting fine in the dust no no no thats not what i knowwwwwwwwwww i know for a fact that u know there is a god and if u seek proof and say will if there was a god he would show him self but yet u dont think to your self do i deserve to see the holy god when u are soooooo sinful and deny him and dont even acknowledge him do u?
4lifelg 1 year ago
the bible is full of fallacies and is NOT scientifically acurate in any way.
it refers to the earth as a DISK, not a sphere, btw.
demoskunk 1 year ago
I've always taken atheism as the sensible default position. NOBODY believes in any of this shit until and unless they're indoctrinated with it. Imagine if you're an adult and had never heard of christianity or anything like it, and some people approached you and told you that not only is it all true, you have to believe in it or you will burn forever in a lake of fire. You'd laugh them right out of the room. And don't give me "god spoke to me" nonsense; your brain can fool you, unfortunately
jerico641 1 year ago
Just watch this and see which side is filled with sarcasm and frustration and which side is filled with calm and sound truths :p
doubleas2380 1 year ago
a guy laughs out loud at 5:49 at what ray says because hes such an idiot lol
69OneTime 1 year ago
The man who pointed out that atheism leads to corrupt governments had a very good point. I may have said that correlation does not equate causation but I was referring to crime rates in various nations when I said that. Now I am talking about how godlessness leads to the establishment of corrupt governments like Hitler's Nazi Party and Stalin's Communist Party. Morality clearly comes from God. When mankind rejects God and His commandments, mankind rejects morality.
EmperorOfEditing 1 year ago
The woman's comment about the USA being the most criminal nation in the world is not true. The UK and Australia apparently have higher crime rates than the USA and they are more atheist than the USA. In contrast to the USA's 'In God We Trust' banknotes, the UK's banknotes have pictures of Charles Darwin on them. However, correlation does not equate causation and that argument is therefore pointless. The man in the middle is so good at being neutral!
EmperorOfEditing 1 year ago
@EmperorOfEditing - Do you have any websites that prove the U.K. and Australia have higher crime rates?
Zeeboe 1 year ago
if any thing Jesus is an amalgamation of various clams of alleged prophets
and, as for the bibles accuracies(scientific or otherwise) well the bible contradicts it self several times even down to the same chapter of what ever biblical book your are reading maybe kirk and ray should try reading there own holy books
henshinman 1 year ago
@ILovetohateI I respectfully decline the invitation to argue with Dr. Zakir Naik on the grounds that it is a cop out; I could just as easily refer you to other authorities on the subject countering these very claims. If you care to argue these points, research them yourself and then argue them from a knowledgeable perspective.
As to the formation of an embryo, the Qu'ran presents the perspective of the time (that of the ancient Greeks) which is flawed.
Solandrios 1 year ago
@ILovetohateI My good sir, the Greek philosopher Anaxagoras theorized the reflection of the Sun's light by the moon roughly 1,000 years prior to the Prophet.
Also, one who has knowledge of the scientific advances of the day cannot necessarily be said to get 'lucky' when speaking on science. Please list some of these 1000 surahs on science which Muhammad correctly spoke on. You might begin with the surah on a cow's milk preceding from it's stomach. Just a suggestion...
Solandrios 1 year ago
@ILovetohateI @ILovetohateI I am a kafir who as converted from Christianity to Atheism to Islam and back to Atheism. Islam is NOT any more tenable than any other religion on the basis of it being scientifically supported. The science of the Qu'ran is in large part restatement of the medical knowledge supported at the time. This knowledge can be proved false easily. Take in mind one of the companions of the Prophet Muhammad was a classically trained physician studied in this system of thought.
Solandrios 1 year ago
Lmao at the mass "Oooooohhhh" of the crowd when the lady says there was no evidence of Jesus outside of the Bible.
Solandrios 1 year ago
alistair mcgrath is also a christian, he believe in evolution. so why doesn't these 2 dipshits understand the fact of evolution!
halflifeproductionz 1 year ago
Rational Response didn't give a good response. They didn't give a good explaination of what Evolution is. But it also sounds like they were very nervous so I guess I can't deny them.
powerinstars6 1 year ago
The middle guy or mediator is very cool. He's very polite and that is appreciated.
jeto24 1 year ago
Redhead is completely clueless, she really shouldn't even be up on stage. No evidence Jesus was ever a man? So let's not believe that ANYONE who has ever passed away ever lived either. Moderator also continues to have to rephrase questions to the "Rational Responders." lol Can they not figure out how to answer questions on their own?
gt5323b 1 year ago
@gt5323b Outside of the bible ( no-caps) prove jesus existed.
Vidar1979 1 year ago
sorry, didnt watch the rest of the video, not that i take back my claim but want to answer that one faggot
as for the 'atheist' nations, look up the human development index and nations that are mostly athiests
oh whats that? theyre in first? HOW COULD THAT BE WITH NO RELIGION BACKING THEM?!?1"
the only reason why i watch videos like this is to get lulz from delusional people, makes me sad inside that people are this stupid, but also generates excellent lulz
Dopesmoker213 1 year ago
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That makes one of us.
I feel sick inside when I hear the absolute deception from those idiots spouting their gospel nonsense.
Reghedable 1 year ago
oh man, the question about god creating evil pwned kirk and ray
also to respond to there 'answer' why would evil exists to begin with? why would a all knowing all intelligent god create something of the sort?
bunch of fail
gg pwned nubs
Dopesmoker213 1 year ago
he said god will judge those that havnt heard the gospel for murder etc, what if you were a good person that hasnt heard the gospel? they cant answer that. they believe everyone is damned by default of being born. that is insane. Christianity has to go.
robaquarian 2 years ago
i just love this debate
hovsec 2 years ago
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This debate is like watching four 5 year olds yelling at eachother on the playground. These 4 clowns need to consider getting jobs at K-Mart.
Stitchman3875 2 years ago
Where did you get your degree in philosophy? There were winners in this debate. Let me give you a hint. It wasn't Comfort or Camoron.
stevieh4810 2 years ago 5
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If it pleases you to suggest that there was a winner in the debate, the so be it. Both sides did horrible jobs representing their views. Neither side made points that showed they knew their sides well. For the lay men, either side would have been impressive, however, if a person understood the fields of knowledge they were talking about, both sides clearly failed at their respective premises.
Stitchman3875 2 years ago
The debate has no winners or losers. It's all about you, and has nothing to do with them.
"Win the world and lose your own soul" rings in about here.
xamire 2 years ago
@stevieh4810 Neither side won, both sides can offer counter-arguments to the other side's argument. There is no logical conclusion. There are 3 options: live without belief and be proven wrong and burn in Hell, live with belief and receive everlasting life, or just simply live. No one knows for sure what the truth is. Anyone who says they know what the truth is is a liar. A smart man admits his lack of knowledge and questions everything without bias.
jmc7586 1 year ago
i love how pissed off the guy on the left looks, hes wondering why hes even wasting his time talking to those guys
leoniccc 2 years ago 14
@leoniccc Right well why do atheists always get mad and pist off? And when there stump with a question they will just insult your faith? Not all maybe but most in debates even Richard dawkins.
XXThrashtera88XX 8 months ago
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I liked the question right at the end, but Ray [? that's his name, right?] didn't answer it. All four of them have been dodging the questions. Not only that, but they're -arguing- and not debating.
It is interesting, and pretty infuriating.
PansyFace 2 years ago
The actual way of the master version edited and left so much out of this
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NameCallingIsWeak 2 years ago
well give me their entire dialogue on what they said about him. im sure there were ALOT of non christians who celebrate christians. how many do you think are lending credibility to jesus being born, wrong day btw, by celebrating xmas.
BaneOfFreeSpeech 2 years ago 7
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@BaneOfFreeSpeech - "Give me?" What are you, a baby? Go find it yourself. I listed all the non-Christian references to Jesus Christ as a historical person for the atheists who throw canned fits about how the Bible is fairy tales, and that you can't trust it. Showing them this list is like showing a cross to a vampire.
@Everyone Else - On judgment day, you will answer to God for every time you lied ever. You know you are guilty, and that you deserve eternal punishment.
NameCallingIsWeak 2 years ago
well here is the thing. where did you get that list? if it was readily available to you, you shouldn't have a problem. but im guessing you just used someone elses list.and i dont feel like reading EVERYTHING those people said to find the quote mined misrepresented sentence you christians use."give me" how can you not believe evolution when then FORCE FEED you evidence that creationism can NEVER bring. evolution gives evidence and that is what you creationists ask for. but we dont call you babies
BaneOfFreeSpeech 2 years ago 3
the woman doesn't know whar she is talking about
TheFloodhater 2 years ago
That old man asked a stupid and fucking question....
so are you saying that all the believers never kill never fuck and never rape...FUCK YOU OLD MAN...Why are you so silly...
weleio 2 years ago
just insane, look at the athiests body language, they know they are wrong. Hope the chick with the boobs doesnt got to hell, lets pray for her.
cfshane 2 years ago
I pray for you go to hell for your false Christian behavior..fucker..and you are telling me you are a christian...fuck take a look at yourself...
weleio 2 years ago
are you even better than that christian
TheFloodhater 2 years ago
you think they think they are wrong because of their body language? yeah im sure they know they are wrong with all the evidence backing them up
0rangeFlamingo 2 years ago 2
First ask Jesus, why he created human in white,yellow and black skin...fucker...for fun...?
FUCK DAMM YOUR BLOODY GOD...
weleio 2 years ago
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weleio 2 years ago
there actually is evidence for dinosaurs in the book of Job. read, and look for leviathan.
tkoch25 2 years ago 2
Her boobs just made me renounce the holy spirit.
laubar 2 years ago
Yeah, but her voice is cracking up more than a teenage boy.
sk86566 2 years ago
In response to anime1217's comment and anyone else who demands scientific proof of god for ANYTHING I quote form the bible;
Romans 9;20 "Nay but, O man who art though that repliest against god? Shall the thing formed say unto that which formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
Humble yourself please, Measure you r self against gods law (The 10 commandments) Believe that Jesus Christ died for your sins, repent of your sins (take up your cross daily) and return to god thru faith in Christ.
beefstroganof 2 years ago
What I want to know is where are the cavemen? We have proof they existed and we have the writings in the caves, why don't cavemen show up in the bible? Same goes for dinosaurs.
wireless4me 2 years ago 3
she is hot
dhamamy 2 years ago
im amazed that a grown man can believe this religious nonsense. if adam and eve were the 1st ppl, then how are we here today? did eve have sex with her own children, or did her own children fuck eachother? bcuz the ONLY ONLY ONLY way for the human race to continue, is for adam and eves OWN family to have sex with eachother. id LOVE 4 any of u religious idiots to answer that question. i bet u wont, bcuz ive asked hundreds of times on here and none of u religious nuts will engage this question.
westsidestory23 2 years ago
They say "God made it so they could have children that are not inbred up till it wasnt needed"..
That doesnt answer anything. Thats as silly as saying "God did it" which is what they are saying.
This Religious nonesense is quite sad.
Unless you can Scientificaly prove that there was an adam and eve and that we all come from them SOMEHOW, they there is no need to believe in it.
anime1217 2 years ago
Genetics is digital information? Sorry but digital information is by definition base 2, genetics is base 4.
zbyte64 2 years ago
No, binary is base 2. Digital can have any base that is not infinity.
ToungueTiedFeeling 2 years ago
No. It's base 2. There are only two base pairs. GC and AT.
Abaharaki 2 years ago
I think what that woman says is blasphemy and In Gods eyes thats a great sin God is God and the only God the Alpha and Omega and if u do nt know the lord thy God You will hve your turn in the lake of fire on judgement day God is a fair God and so if u repent of your sins he will forgive you and have you notice the difference beetween the atheists behavour and the christians the christians were calm and never interuptted bt the atheists were quite rude
samfam222 2 years ago
Usually people start getting upset when the oponent isn't making any sense at all. Proof your claims, otherwise they will remain to be nothing else than baseless bullcrap.
Theists often call atheists arrogant, yet they claim to have absolute truth about reality where theists have grown the necessary balls to emit a sincere "i don't know". Just because you can't explain something it doesnt mean you can automatically give credit to your imaginary friend about it.
hellhammerz666 2 years ago
samfam222, i bet u feel great in the knowledge that anyone who doesnt believe what u believe will suffer for eternity. and u say WE are sinful. i think ur a sick person who likes the idea that all of us atheists will go to hell. if there is a god, he would probably think THAT is the REAL sin, wishing torturous things upon ur opponents. ur a sick fuck samfam222
westsidestory23 2 years ago
Damn! you see through God's eyes??
zetagjm 2 years ago
God's creation created evil and this was only possible through free will, love is only possible through free will, so free will is also good.
pillar77 2 years ago
Commu- no, wait, aithest nations...LOL. He apparently doesn't know of all the other European nations that are primarily atheist.
Oreeyo 2 years ago
That douche from the audience was great...way to make an asshole of yourself on national tv.
1983tjk 2 years ago
God's out there...and we're heading toward a judgement....and it doesn't really make any difference what we believe.
toroga1 2 years ago
1:07 No true Scotsman
Guncriminal 2 years ago
"Do you believe in George Washington?" Excellent. Love how they have to look away to keep from laughing and Ray interprets that as them being afraid.
Boognish64 2 years ago 3
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People still claim that the Holocaust didnt happen but the evidence is there
UcommonAdmiration 2 years ago
...And this is where Ray completely falls to pieces. He claimed that he will not need the Bible yet it is the only proof he uses at this point.
He should not be allowed in a serious discussion, he can obviously can't keep his stuff straight. Keep Kirk, ditch the banana guy.
whade62000 2 years ago
Why keep Kirk? All he does is quote mine, makes assertions without evidence and uses appeal to emotion. How many mistakes can one make about evolution? CamMORON is a goof.
davefromomaha 2 years ago
Even if god exists he's far from perfect. And there are many paradoxes to his powers.
helldogas2 2 years ago
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if God isn't perfect, he's no longer God because there can be something higher than Him. God has to be perfect to be called God my friend
wunglow 2 years ago
name them
xXimbleXx 2 years ago
Woah, did Ray just totally contradict himself at the end? He said that the Gospel wasn't required to be saved, yet applauded the missionaries for delivering the Gospel because it comes with a free saviour?
It annoys me how he says that God will judge you on rape, murder, theft, all these common "sins" yet leaves out the ones about idolotry, and having no other gods before YHWH. If the aboriginals are morally good, but worship the rainbow serpent, they're toast!
NoeLPZC 2 years ago
At about 2:10 she says that "there was no proof of there ever being a Jesus", that pretty much illuminates her ignorance.
critter505 2 years ago
listen again mother fucker. the evidence for a HISTORIC jesus is extremely lacking. the bible is historical as a story. just like the illiad and last of the mohicans are historical literary works yet not historical.
unless of course you have real evidence for virgin birth, walking on water, spontaneous healings, raising the dead, and large doves descending from space?????
aliashumanist4 2 years ago 5
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is she your sister or something, what's your deal? I think you have serious anger issues, "listen again mother f**ker", very mature, grow up pal...
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PokemonMasters2009 2 years ago
really? the apostle paul's alleged experience debunks your claim.
read your bible next time before spouting your opinions about it.
for us to think you're an idiot is one thing. no one said you should open your piehole and confirm it.
fredmelmackian 2 years ago
Can god create a rock that is so heavy, that he himself cannot lift it?
If he cant he is not omnipotent.
If he can he is not omnipotent.
/christianity
KingsEcho 2 years ago
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This is actually a pretty clever conundrum, maybe you can ask God the answer
wunglow 2 years ago
Perhaps...
KingsEcho 2 years ago
Jesus H. Fucking Christ! Are you on a spam run wunglow?
callmeblackjesus 2 years ago 2
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I don't think so black J', i hope not. I love you man!
wunglow 2 years ago
He's biased... The host is biased. He's fucking leaning towards the christians
p0rkch0ps 2 years ago
actually i think he was more in favor of the rrs...
gooberaza86 2 years ago
I think he's been incredibly neutral. If you've watched the whole debate he's been just as hard on the Christians when they're talking crap and not answering questions.
In an earlier part (I'm not going to go back through and find it) he was bringing up brilliant questions against the Christians of his own accord.
PsychedelikMonk 2 years ago
It's a shame; Kirk is actually sitting on a potential goldmine with Intelligent Design but it's completely obscured by the mythical stories of the bible.
lvecsey 2 years ago
The Rational Response Squad present themselves as a bunch of douche bags. While I do not agree with them, I think Kirk and Ray made a much better argument.
funpoleece 2 years ago
Really? I thought Kirk and Ray showed they know nothing about anything. Again. The last part, Ep 2 part 2 was worse though. I almost cried at how little they understand basic concepts.
Ploppy17 2 years ago 3
Kirk Cameron raped a sheepdog? Blimey!
musiccalgary 2 years ago 4
I love how this guy accepts science when it is convenient, and denies it, when it is inconvenient.
gooberaza86 2 years ago 7
The guy got his answer....Sweden etc..and he didn't accept that.
lucki39284 2 years ago
ray n kirk are a JOKE !
1moreAtheist 3 years ago 15
it would be nice if Rational Res. actually gave some reasons, all they do is get pissed off, just like all the aethists
bz3k91 3 years ago
i'll agree that the rational response squad could have debated this subject better, HOWEVER, the fact remains- the rational response squad won this debate hands down.
cuntfart and camMORON are incompetant boobs!! asshat!
omahavinnie2 3 years ago
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How could anyone be dumb enough to think we're from apes???
bz3k91 3 years ago
how dumb can anyone be to think evolution says that humans came from apes???
can you at least get a basic understanding of evolution before opening your piehole and making yourself look like a complete idiot!
omahavinnie2 3 years ago 5
please watch this
/watch?v=5MXTBGcyNuc
doesmykeyboardwork 2 years ago
Come on, at least give us a description of what it is. Sell me.
BrentonSteinhilber 2 years ago 2
Not dumb, it's reallity and it's what evidence point to. How can anyone be dumb enough to believe in magic and sky daddy when we eat, shit, reproduce and die like every other mammal? Christians and high school dropouts!
ImmenseRaven 2 years ago 4
Man they are getting P W N E D!
lookslikepat 3 years ago
The period starting 5:21 is super hilarious, "darkness is the abscence of light"and all that...so, um, ok...god suddenly isn't omnipresent?
BobChaos23 3 years ago
Oh,and gotta love how they cant stop bringing up the bible and their faith, even though they agreed they wouldnt...
BobChaos23 3 years ago 2
ughhh...its not "accidental", doofus...600 million years of post cambrian evolution has a lotto do with the complexity.
BobChaos23 3 years ago
God that chick's voice is annoying.
ImPotatoes 3 years ago 4
doesn't change the FACT that the rrs totally destroyed the wotm cultists!
aliashumanist4 3 years ago
No its because they repeated the same stuff throughout the entire thing. I would get pissed off too. And Kirk and that misrepresented evolution entirely. They lied. The bible also speaks of stoning people to death for sinning, various times. Shall I put my faith in what the bible says and stone you to death?
TheBiddleMan 3 years ago
yes if you if to do something to ...or be an ass like you
KIMBOSLICE66666 3 years ago
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that is part of the old covenant i the old testament for the People of israel....the new covenant is in the new testament established by Jesus...read it and seek revealtion from the Holy Spirit...God Bless
given2u 3 years ago
the host is letting ray and kirk butt in but not the RR squad butt in.
Superballpogo 3 years ago
excuse me?
gay cuntfart and kirk camMORON were arrogant bigoted hypocrites all through the debate. i wonder what "fruit" is lacking in their lives. none. they're both fruitcakes!!
aliashumanist4 3 years ago
it was my rational mind.
1moreAtheist 3 years ago
God uses our minds.. and the devil
given2u 3 years ago
the god of the bible is the devil as far as you read in the bible itself.
1moreAtheist 3 years ago
lol you have a really bad image about God.....you need to read the Bible and seek revelation from the Holy Spirit...why do you think this and i'll help explain......
given2u 3 years ago
God is subjective. If you were born in Iraq, Iran etc. you'd probably be Muslim. Born in Pakistan, Hindu perhaps.
The God of the Bible kills plenty of people - Noahs flood - so proof is in the Bible that he is not just love.
TheBiddleMan 3 years ago
it was because of their sin that God decided to kill them...that is part of the old covenant of the old testament Jesus established the new covenant for everyone....i have amazing stories of muslim hindu's turning to Jesus...its is called the silent secret we have established secret churches in india and nepal and many other parts in the world ...i don't believe in religion i believe in conviction and relationship with the Holy Spirit..GOD is LOVE ...read the book the two faces of love to see
given2u 3 years ago
I have read the Bible, many times. And do you think that there was not one rational argument that the Agnostic Atheists have? If so your pretty crazy. And if God is love why is there suffering and pain. If God created animals he created virus's also which kill people all the time.
TheBiddleMan 3 years ago
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God sets boundaries,,we cross them and suffer because of our sinful nature...because we have Free will....u need to seek revelation of the Holy Spirit ot understand....im crazy for God!!....God Bless..
given2u 3 years ago
Jesus said I will forgive you of all your sins except blasphemy. So I am forgiven. And god is forgiving according to you so if he sends me to hell he is no more than a human being, with human emotions such as anger and hate. They say there is no other side of God but love. But if god created evil then it must be part of his character. Answer questions please you lunatic.
TheBiddleMan 3 years ago 5
how do u define blasphemy in the Aramic language?.....God is forgiving because if u accept Jesus he does not see your sin he sees the sacrafice of Jesus....Only in the time of our Flesh will he forgive us... we are the ones that send ourself to Hell because of our evil nature....while there is life there is Hope God bless u... God is love...i recommend u read the "the Two faces of Love" and seek The Holy Spirit revelation...
given2u 3 years ago
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wow so much. from you atheist..what have you done 4 the world...all you are trying to dod is bash the bible and talk shit cause you think you know the answers to the world...if you dont believe in god then why are you talking about god...
where to you get your questions fron richard faggins.....you are full of so much hate god made life deal with it...
KIMBOSLICE66666 3 years ago
What have atheists done for the world? The vast majority of atheists are scientists. Question answered.
'If you don't beleive in God why are you talking about God..' That is the stupidest argument I have ever heard.
Where do we get our questions from? Rationality. Where do you get your answers from? Irrationality. Thats why atheists get pissed.
TheBiddleMan 3 years ago 6
and you're so full of semen.
omahavinnie2 3 years ago 2
the god of the bible kills more people than the devi and hitler.ggd comands for moses to kill and rape.if u say thats a lie then u obviously have'nt read the bible
leonardj1 3 years ago 5
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that is true ..it is written an "eye for an eye" and death for disobediance...that was because they deserved to die...we deserve to die too because of our evil sinful nature....but all of that is part of the old covenant in the old testament for the people (ISRAEL) Jesus established the NEW covenant in the new testament for EVERYONE....God Bless
given2u 3 years ago
well said
1moreAtheist 3 years ago
i used to go to church and something was telling me - "there's nobody there!"
1moreAtheist 3 years ago 2
I am not an atheist, but you guys really need to ban that chick from debating anyone, about anything.
clutch1245 3 years ago
i thought she was pritty good. i can see some was i think she could have improved her arguments. but she still did a much better job then i could have done without HER.
celestialsalamander 3 years ago
This chic evolved out of something that makes a horrible screeching sound.
jtika1978 3 years ago
and you evolved into an ignorant bigoted mother fucker.
aliashumanist4 3 years ago
Your words speak volumes of your lack of intelligence. and also- you do not know me or anything about me.
jtika1978 3 years ago
i agree- you are an ignorant bigoted mother fucker.
stevieh4810 3 years ago
We will see
jtika1978 3 years ago
leave all the hate..open your heart and accept Jesus as your lord and savior with a true and humble heart and God will reveal to you like he did to me.........i belive because it is written not just in the Bible but in many books of history and i have tried it myself with and without faith.. and it is some thing you can only experince by yourself........and the one that convict you that it is real is the Holy Spirit....try it you got nothing to loose...
given2u 3 years ago
Please, tell me where these biblical events are in the history books, aside from those handed out at religious schools.
Preaching on YouTube is useless, and you're just wasting your time.
Gameplayr8891 3 years ago 2
you are a prof that he exist.....we will never understand our creator our understanding can only go so far......he dose not have to prove himself he is God....
given2u 3 years ago