Destroying the West - Multiculturalism, Relativism (and Noam Chomsky).

[DiggityMcD]

Lot's of Js here trying to kill of the White man. They fail.

[DiggityMcD]

White people do not have to excuse themselves for defending their own kind. Only Whites have been brainwashed into thinking the survival of their race is some kind of criminal offense via the silly word coined by the Bolshevik Lev Bronstein (fake name Leon Trotsky).

[nathfrancis01]

This speech was written with an open thesaurus and a closed mind.

[richard20bris]

@nathfrancis01 like most people, I'm sure Mr Murray is more than glad that he is not "open" to the idea of living under Sharia Law, terrorism, and Islamic male supremacy.

[DiggityMcD]

@nathfrancis01 You come from a tribe of self styled Gods. You cannot speak legitimately about having a closed mind, when your tribe is the definition of such.

[nathfrancis01]

@DiggityMcD I know a lot about Douglas Murray's opinions so I can comment on his thinking, you know nothing of my opinions so you may not comment on me whatasoever.

[HalalKafir]

Douglas Murray is as smart as he is eloquent.

Dar al-harb forever!

[topperheartramada]

One corection: Kosovo was Serbia proper, thus Kosovo remaining inside Sebia would not mean a 'Greater' Serbia.

[seemoretube]

"they end up as absolute relativists with their weird hierarchies" - pure genius.

[PatrickHenryNation]

@seemoretube my thoughts exactly!

[sylvanwilliams1]

beautiful accent but total rubbish

[terrendously]

this guy sounds like a complete dick

[TheGoldenKing20]

And this guy isn't occupying a high-ranking position in government right now, because...?

[Mike10four]

I search the youtube universe to learn from the wise, but mostly find the otherwise. Murray’s speech contains wisdom. However, Murray must realize relativistic diversity is part of evolution. The paradigm “survival of the fittest” where “fittest” is strength flavored with intellect. Getting down to basics, without strength there is no survival. Someday we may evolve to absolute virtue in some global utopia, but not in our lifetime.

[thelordofassholes]

PersoAryanism: What is "East" for you? China, Persia or the Arabian Peninsula? I think there might be "quite" a difference. Terms should be clear first before making statements like these. And secondly it's wrong cos when you look at history you'll find certain spots that have been of economic, political and cultural meaning in the past as they are today, like China, India cos there are certain social structures and heritage that supports them to succeed...

[thelordofassholes]

@thelordofassholes ... while other countries, especially those overtaken by islam have never come to success again (for good reasons). By the way, I exclude demographic factors and resources as source for wealth, like oil, from this perspective as they're not any intellectual resources and therefore to be doomed in the future.

[thelordofassholes]

This is an excellent speech, this man is priceless! 

[PersoAryanism]

Get it through your fucking heads morons.

This is the cycle of history, the West declines, the East rises, we've seen it throughout history. The East began civilization, then it declined, Europe rose, then it declined the East rose then again we see that the West has risen... and again... like the cycle of history, the West will begin its decline and the East its return.

[Ulrna]

I think YouTube should have another button for propaganda built on misrepresentation of truth, which this video basically is.

9:50 Taken out of context, this is actually a good description on this video.

But the agenda of this video is quite clear; the narrator tries to discourage research into these matters by orchestrating his disputed (at best) theories as fact, and then dismissing the absolute opposite (and in the process the hundreds of other theories).

And I am against multiculturalism.

[CMTours732]

@Ulrna 'Who am I?

Just another pathetic writer, dancing on the edge of insanity in a deluded dream' - yes, that's about right. So shut up, you have nothing on Murray.

[Ulrna]

@CMTours732 Your cleverly written argument aside, having studied political history for over four years one could say I have a lot of problems with people who consciously are trying to misrepresent other theories in these fields, like Murray seems to be doing in this video.

The depth of which some people like Murray descend in order to appeal to his (supporters) is pathetic.

You can still be against issues like multiculturalism and inapt politics without succumbing to lies and slander.

[CMTours732]

@Ulrna Though you haven't once yet stated which theories are inaccurate, or why they are so.

[Ulrna]

@CMTours732 His assumption of relativism which in the western world is not very new but actually one of the oldest philosophies, Douglas Murray talks in this video about how philosophical relativism in politics (possibly a criticism of Bernard Cricks relativism which is rare if not completely absent in diplomacy and politics).

3:21 – Does (political) relativism give equal credit to the wrong and the right?

No it doesn’t, and this type of doublethink statement is very recurring in this video.

[CMTours732]

@Ulrna Actually, he backed this up completely in the video, referring to the conflict between Israel and Palestine. As he says, relativism means the Western political establishment can no longer differentiate between right and wrong when it comes to this conflict, instead 'relying on body count' to decide. Cultural relativism has become extremely prevalent in the west in recent decades and has penetrated almost every institution, having a profound effect on both culture and politics.

[Ulrna]

@CMTours732 He then goes on to state that (such a philosophical problem (relativism) now affects not only our foreign policy, but the very existence of the west at home).. No it doesn’t.

He then goes on to talk about multiculturalism in the western societies (which he believes to be a part of relativism).

Multiculturalism is a new and impossible idea on a society which either has multiple ethnic cultures or a melting of different cultures into one demographic society.

[CMTours732]

@Ulrna Sure it does. He already outlined how relativism impedes our ability to think clearly about right and wrong, aggressor and defender, particularly when it comes to the Palestine-Israeli conflict. Relativism gave rise to multiculturalism because it holds that everything is relative, that nothing is 'superior' or 'inferior', which has led to the promotion of minority cultures in western societies as being equally viable options. This is what he meant by 'the west is just one in a set of

[Ulrna]

@CMTours732 There is no theory, established proof or even thesis about this, and his outlining is pathetic.

There is always a degree of things, for example if the United States was aware of an imminent attack by another state thus conducting a pre-emptive strike, who would then be the aggressor and the defender?

Politics and diplomacy should NOT be vulgarized, and he portrays philosophical relativism as something it is not, political And narrow-minded.

[CMTours732]

@Ulrna I'm not sure, does he talk about it in his book? I haven't read it, though it's on my list. I think this lecture is very illuminating, I don't mind that you disagree, but you seem to be asserting that it has little to no virtues whatsoever, yet seem to agree with some of his positions. For me, his discussion of relativism explains a lot, and writers who observe the decline of the west often talk about moral and cultural relativism and its profound impact on the west, including political

[CMTours732]

@Ulrna (continued) discourse. If relativism isn't the cause of the problems which Murray describes, can you offer an alternative explanation?

[CMTours732]

@Ulrna I encounter relativist arguments all the time. For example one person argued that there is no reason why Iran should not go nuclear because the USA is nuclear, and is actually a greater threat, because the USA used nuclear weapons against Japan during WWII. Such an argument is just extraordinarily stupid and bears no relevance to the present time or circumstance - but this is the idiotic creed of relativism.

[Ulrna]

@CMTours732 that’s not any type of relativism I have ever heard about.

What I didn’t like about this video was the deductions, they are too farfetched, and seem to hit the wrong targets.

Murrays point about the increased immigration is true, but multiculturalism is just another hype-philosophy which will never work in the long run. There will always be a cultural assimilation in one way or another and multi-cultural societies have often experienced culturally related problems.

[Ulrna]

@CMTours732 I think the unpopularity and the problems recurring in the attempts to promote foreign cultures into western societies at this rate has proven to be very unpopular, and I think that speaks for itself.

[CMTours732]

@Ulrna Well yes I agree

[CMTours732]

@Ulrna (continued) lifestyle options, where you might choose the western tradition, but if jihad's your bag, that's fine too.'

[Ulrna]

Modern multiculturalism can be seen as a measure to implement immigrants (as in this case) in the western world. Many of these immigrants are UN quota refugees from Africa and the Middle East.

These are often Muslim (as they come from former colonial parts of the world which has a very hastily put together and frail government based on religious doctrine with conservative values). I do not blame anyone for this as most of the empires and states prior to the colonial period were theocratic.

[CMTours732]

@Ulrna 'Modern multiculturalism can be seen as a measure to implement immigrants (as in this case) in the western world. Many of these immigrants are UN quota refugees from Africa and the Middle East.' - can you explain?

There is third world Muslim immigration to almost every country in Europe, whether or not they were involved in colonialism in the Middle East.

[Ulrna]

@CMTours732 The quota of legal immigrants to UN states is defined by the UN and co-ordinated by the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees under the UN.

Personally I loathe quota-refugees and illegal refugees alike, but I do not let such pseudo-political immigration politics dictate more important political agenda.

The current reaction of the west is at brink of a historical disaster because of immigration, the response from the western world on enforced immigration can be devastating.

[Ulrna]

@CMTours732

7:54

When it comes to Saddam Hussein, the US government gave Saddam roughly 40 billion dollars during the Iran-Iraq war. The Iraq war itself cannot be viewed as a war on terrorism, as the Iraq war was fought to remove a dictator (Saddam Hussein) from the government.

In the final pentagon report from 2008, it’s stated that Saddam Hussein had no connection to al-Qaeda.

[CMTours732]

@Ulrna Really? Saddam was quite well known to be a godfather of terrorism. He subsidized the families of Palestinian suicide bombers, his operatives tried to assassinate the elder President Bush in Kuwait in 1993. He provided a safe heaven in Iraq for several terrorist groups such as Mijahedin-e-Khalq, The Kurdistan's Worker's Party, the Palestinian Liberation Front and the Abu Nidal organization. He provided training in weapons, place hijacking, and even suicide bombing at a terrorist

[CMTours732]

@Ulrna (continued) training camp at Salman Pak, in 2008 the Wall Street Journal revealed some findings from a recent Pentagon report on Iraq's ties to terrorism: 'on the basis of 600,000 items, the report lays out Saddam's willingness to use terrorism against America and other international targets, as well as his larger state sponsorship of terrorism, which included harboring, training and equipping jihadis throughout the middle east.'

[CMTours732]

@Ulrna There were links to al-Qaeda, they've just been misrepresented. The 9/11 Commission may have concluded that there was no proof of direct Iraqi involvement in al-Qaeda terrorist attacks against American interests, but that's different from there being no links at all. The 9/11 Commission said there were links, for example Thomas Kean the chairman of the Commission, said at a press conference 'were there contacts between al Qaeda and Iraq? Yes'.

[Chains99]

This guy just nailed it directly on the head.

[lolsih101]

im a muslim living in the west and i completly agree with this man!

[QwidgyboMan]

Chomsky's stance is to support internal democratic forces.

Had the West not supported Hussein, his sons would never have been in a position to jostle for power. Had the US and Russia not torn up Afghanistan, the Taliban would not have been able to take power.

This Murray character draws false conclusions, or alternate results, based not on Chomsky's suggestions but merely actualised Western policies. We support Hussein and then don't punish him for gassing the Kurds = moral relativism? Please.

[CMTours732]

@QwidgyboMan What Murray points out is that this line of thinking is ridiculous because it blames the West for everything, as though those responsible for such atrocities (Hussein, the Taliban) can't even make choices, they don't have culpability, or they can't even screw up unless its our fault.

[QwidgyboMan]

@CMTours732

It doesn't blame the West for everything. Nobody is suggesting Hussein shouldn't be punished, or that the Taliban shouldn't be overthrown. What's being suggested is that we stop supporting horrible elements like the aforementioned, and start supporting the democratic forces, diplomatically, financially and militarily if it comes to that.

[wiithershiins]

talking about morality as if it were some defined, historically consistent engine that drove society is nonsense and to talk about a "moral decline" is therefore ridiculous. centralized societies are driven almost exclusively by power politics. the elites have never had morality on their side, and the societies in which moral considerations have posed a threat to the power of the elites are few and far between, historically speaking.

[paulkj]

Brilliant assessment of the west's moral decline.

[yassroa]

is that a robot?

[catveezle]

if he matures, he might be a replacement for the terminal c. hitchens

[paradoarify]

@catveezle We still don't know how "terminal" he is.

[DrBakshandeh]

Agreed!

[teloscaylos]

Far too much truth to be popular :-)

[aveyowyns]

@teloscaylos

good comment...

[grunge6910]

nonsense.

[Joniversity]

@grunge6910 And what's nonsense about it?

[DrBakshandeh]

@Joniversity Defamation is the last refuge of idiots!

[TheNicomacheanEthics]

Utter doosh bag.

[Joniversity]

@TheNicomacheanEthics LOL! It's usually written douche-bag (or simply douchebag) . But you got your amazingly intricate point across.

[DrBakshandeh]

@Joniversity Another moron!

[CMTours732]

@Joniversity Great video, thanks for upload.

[Joniversity]

@CMTours732 My pleasure. You should check BritishNeocon's channel. he has plenty of these sort of videos up. Way more than i do.

[Air420]

@TheNicomacheanEthics Ya, this guy's a creep.

[Marly61]

Is this a comedy, certainly not serious.

[rulllar]

Good speech.

To not be able to eject people who are intent on destroying their host nations, or who are involved in severe crimes against humanity is crazy.

One recalls Khomeini was hosted in the west before he went and overthrew Iran creating a world-leading terror-exporting state.

The west must wake up and start to fight extremists on its soil. The human rights charter is meant to protect civilians and innocents, who suffered, not to render states disabled in combating genocidal maniacs!

[AtheistSweden]

I agree; interesting talk, thank you for posting.

[JulianThePhilosopher]

Interesting talk. Thanks for posting.