While your concern begins with your tax dollars, which are, in fact, going to wealthy Wall Street investors and bankers not California "homo fags", you circle the wagons around the "bible", courts and the voters.
In CA, the courts said "Yes" and will say it again soon.
The Bible said "No" to fornication of any kind. And shellfish. You do the math on that.
And the voters...? Really? They would still allow slavery in many Southern states, if they could.
To all the homo fags!!! Do you really think with all the financial problems in this country,its right to cost my tax dollars to listen to your sick and imoral friken tants??Its simple!!!!!
Jessie, you closeted homosexual you, go and suck a dick and shut up. You have no reason to be mad. So shut up you stupid miserible asshole who probably never get one ounce of love in your whole life.
Wot a a big mess. all these are politics. all u ppl go to hell . fuckers are against humanity. god provided woman for man and man for woman. this will be a big disaster for the world and humanity.
No gay person has ever "learned" to become straight, nor has any straight person ever "caught" gay, and suddenly was attracted to members of the same sex. You are what you are, no matter what anyone tells you, and no matter how you try to be what you're not.
Marriage equality is no threat to anyone. Will gay marriage mae straight people get one? All gay marriage does is making millions of gay people happy.
Do you hate gays more than you love fairness? Fairness is hated only by the unfair.
The light is getting brighter. In the meantime always remember that it doesn't matter one bit whether you're gay or straight, it doesn't make you a better or worse person.
Those who hate you for being gay have their hate on their conscience, and lots to answer to any God they pray to once they meet Him. Hate is neither Christian nor human, it's deliberate and it's evil.
Go California! I think when I heard about this I literally jumped up and down. I hope someday we will live in a world where we don't have to hear things like "gays are unnatural disgusting wretches. i hope aids kills em all !!". Although it seems like that will never come, I think this decision, Massachusetts previous acknowledgment of gay marriage, coastal states(sadly can't say all states)acknowledgment of civil unions and laws to stop workplace discrimination are a step in the right direction
I was a Christian for many years, well into adulthood. Looking back, I found that there are good people and bad people in all groups, with or without religion.
I must say, though, that Christians always "blamed" their faith for any bias or bigotry. They never owned their hate, it was always "because God says this or God says that".
I never heard God say a single word. All of the mean spirited instructions accredited to Scripture came from humans, regular people who claim to follow Christ.
aww arent u sensitve just like every liberal douchebag just being a walking hallmark card to get on every ones side. if my statement offends you GOOD !
I can't actually find it here in this comment thread but you so lovingly responded to my comment with
"i cant wait till i watch u burn with all those fags"
I'm sorry you feel that way but your opinion is your opinion and I cannot do anything to try to make you change it. Thank you founding fathers for giving me my right to free speech and opinion! don't attack my opinion if I don't attack yours. I respect yours so please try to respect mine.
You are uneducated and blatently stupid for posting remarks such as these. to push your morals based on a religion (that was thought up and practiced by people who thought the world was flat......) is completely ignorant and selfish. If you cant handle one state legalizing gay marriage, just wait. Its a matter of years before several states legalize these common rights. Homosexuality in NO WAY physically harms you, so shove it, redneck.
sodom and gumara thats what california is. gays should be gathered up from all over the united states put them on their own island and then bomb it!! i wish we could detach california from the usa!!
well ok there mr.grammar teacher i made a mistake on the computer typing fast i guess im labeled ignorant for life well hears a label for ya shitkicker how bought high horse ridin tightwad who has nothin better to do but correct peoples writting on the computer nazi pig !
Being a Homosexual is a sin. But like Christ said he who has no sin throw the 1st stone. We are all sinful and a sin is a sin as a sin is a sin. I'm not judging anyone by their sin. I want you all to know that Christ loves you and thats it.
There is no need for, nor any purpose in the torment poured out on gays. It is unkind, unfair and cruel.
To hate someone so much to make that person feel ashamed and inferior with no purpose other than to inflict pain is wrong.
The anti-gay campaign is losing popularity. Just like segregation lost favor and has become disgusting, so is the current anti-gay propaganda. You're defending the evil of faith-based hate! Repent!
The word tolerance is not good. Tolerance implies that one is tolerant and the other is tolerated. That's not equality. In equality there is no need for tolerance.
What part of the word equality is so offensive to those who are fighting it so desperately? Equality is coming, just like segregation had to end, and slavery was abandoned.
Somehow all things that are unfair or hateful started with Christianity. What is it about Christians that makes them want to hold on to hate? Weird!
Homosexuals shouldn't get too comfortable because come November Californians will vote to amend the state's constitution making one man, one woman permanant. Sanity and common sense will once again return.
Hate has no future. Those who kling to bigotry will see themselves on the wrong side of history, alongside the segreagtionists and those who embraced slavery.
Live and let live. You can't be a "Christian" while fighting against equality. Equality won't be held up, but those desperate to keep discrimination alive will be the true minority in the end.
Those who just can't get along migfht be better off just getting out. Few would care if they did. Why not try it and see who cares?
Wow. You seem pretty smart. Who ever said that I lived in a trailer park? Don't state random facts that you assume are true about people before you even know anything about them.
If you enjoy being unfair and unkind to others, then being a Christian helps rationalize those feelings. As a Christian you just have to find a way to blame God for the way you are treating others.
Gays don't mistreat anyone. Gays don't hate anyone. Gays don't demand that others make sacrifices or suffer, while making sure no such concessions affect them.
Come to think of it, atheists have none of those Christian selfishness issues either. Christians have the inequality market cornered!
I was a Christian for many years, well into adulthood. Looking back, I found that there are good people and bad people in all groups, with or without religion.
I must say, though, that Christians always "blamed" their faith for any bias or bigotry. They never owned their hate, it was always "because God says this or God says that".
I never heard God say a single word. All of the mean spirited instructions accredited to Scripture came from humans, regular people who claim to follow Christ.
You are implying that blacks want to be white, women want to be men, gays want to be straight. WRONG! All everyone wants is to be EQUAL UNDER THE LAW.
Discrimination is always wrong. I know nobody beonging to a minority who would rather be "someone else". All everone (including YOU, assuming you are of no minority) wants is to be equal and not second class citizen.
What part of the word EQUALITY offends yo so much that you are fighting it so fiercely?"
Equality is the right thing. Some fantatic religious people may still insist right is wrong, that's their problem. Equality is coming. Accept it. Hate will not win over love.
The propblem with gay marriage is that there is no problem. Stop fixing what isn't broken. What part of the word equality do you hate so much? Live and let live, for Christ's sake!
Your sarcasm aside - how does it really affect you personally, if gay folks pair off and get "married"?
You lose nothing. What do you fear? You are not the arbiter of social norms. There are many Americans who have different faiths and beliefs. Even non-Christians, imagine...
They live happy, productive lives with families they love.
Why not leave them to it? Why not let them have the legal benefits of "marriage" - it doesn't take anything away from you. You can still pretend "superiority".
Exactly, thank you. It doesn't cause anyone any harm. People hide behind this idea that gay marriage will harm the American family, or some such rubbish. It's all about people believing they have the right to push their religious beliefs off on everyone else, that everyone else should live by the same belief system. Gay people getting married harms absolutely no one. To quote Wanda Sykes, "If you don't believe in same sex marriage, then don't marry someone of the same sex."
And yes, the definition of marriage is actually fluid over time, defined by cultural circumstances (polygamy, polyandry, monogamy) and religious doctrine (e.g. taboos against marriage outside of one's faith).
It is naive to believe our current beliefs about, and laws regarding, "marriage" are the "final" and "ordained" end to the discussion.
Well, said, I think. The laws regarding marriage have changed due to time, location, society, etc. There are so many cultures, so many different ways people look at marriage or unions around the world. Who are we to say that the only "right" form of marriage is a man and a woman? It's only one form of marriage in a very diverse world. And the more diverse and more accepting the world is, the better.
You are implying that blacks want to be white, women want to be men, gays want to be straight. WRONG! All everyone wants is to be EQUAL UNDER THE LAW.
Discrimination is always wrong. I know nobody beonging to a minority who would rather be "someone else". All everone (including YOU, assuming you are of no minority) wants is to be equal and not second class citizen.
What part of the word EQUALITY offends yo so much that you are fighting it so fiercely?
We also don't believe in proselytizing, or converting, others to our religion. Everyone is free to believe as he or she wishes, and act as he or she wishes as long as it does not hurt others. We are not arrogant enough to believe that our religion is better than anyone else's, our beliefs more important, more sound, than anyone else's. People of other faiths often claim theirs is "the one true faith." There is no one true faith.
Oh, and about this idea you have that I invent a god based around my lifestyle, I'll have you know that my religion, Wicca, has a very strong moral code that condemns the same things Christianity does, and then some. The first line in the Wiccan Reed states, "Harm none, do what ye will" which is exactly what I'm trying to get across. We don't believe in harming others for gain-- and gay marriage does not harm anyone, it only makes the two people in the marriage happy.
That's rich. Do you even know what oligarchy means?
Since when did the wealthy, powerful ruling class give a crap about equal rights? Women's rights? Or gay rights?
Pick another chestnut to drag into the debate - oh, how about "Beware the tyranny of the Democracy".
Our Founding Fathers (Oligarchs), though brilliant, did not want to end slavery, for fear of pissing off the Virginia planters. They did not want to grant Native American Sovereignty for fear of pissing off settlers.
"Beware the tyranny of Democracy" is what gays fear. That's why they rely on unelected judges. Every time "gay marriage" is voted on it is defeated. Every time.
Which means your comparison of gays to black slavery is insulting to most african-americans. And Navtive Americans. And women.
Gays have the same rights that everyone else has. What they want are "additional" rights.
As for the wealthy - gay people have no problem there. As a demo they are at the top.
Actually, James Madison said, "Beware the tyranny of the Majority". He meant that the rights of any minority in any society would not be protected by "the People" i.e. the Majority.
So, like I said, the rights of Blacks, Indians, Women, Gays, Midgets... you name it, must be protected by law, whether through the legislators or the courts.
This country separated church and state over 200 years ago. The only basis for banning gay marriage is the Bible, which is a religious book. Therefore there is no legal basis for it. As for me not believing there is a God, well, that's not true. I believe in a god, just not YOUR god. I also believe that everyone has the right to love and marry whom they please. I don't believe in "sin" as you do because I'm not Christian, and sin is a Christian idea.
You cannot have national morality apart from religious principle. It won't happen. This countries laws are founded on the ten commandments. Perjury, stealing, murder, shall I go on? And when you put morality into the hands of people we see what happens. The year after bibles were removed from school teen pregnacies, rape, and murder went up, and has been going up ever sense. When there is no biblical law or threat of hell, morality is challenged and changed.
Of course you can have national morality apart from religious principal. Morality is not based on any particular religion. We had ideas of what was right and wrong long before the ten commandments were written. I belong to a Pagan faith, and my Celtic ancestors knew it was wrong to steal, to murder, to rape, they had laws against such things. Anglo-Saxon people were not the first to come along and say, "Hey, we should invent a moral code."
This is totally SICK!!! Marriage is not a state's institution to just give out because of a court rulling. Marriage was given by GOD and GOD alone. GOD did not give Adam a choice between a man and a woman. He gave a woman to Adam to be married to. These people are celebrating their own eternal damnation!!! Thumbs down me all you want, but it doesn't change the truth, as I have pointed out to all of the gay people I have worked with.
God is punishing Iowa with floods because of their non-diversity. 97% white, almost no gays or minorities. God is punishing them with floods, drowning them. In contrast, life in California is great!
It's Ridiculous. Gay marriages should be legal throughout the U.S. I'm BI and would have no problem marrying a man. It disgust me for people to sit here and say homosexuality is wrong. How is gay marriage different from marriage? I mean, so what if it's not a man and a woman gettin married? it's the same as in two people love each other. What's wrong with that?
Yes it may disgust you to sit there and say it is wrong or right but yet people do it all the time, they sit on their own judgment seat. A seat that is not theirs. They play morality chess and become borderline Gods deciding what is right and wrong. That is the problem. People have lost touch with God because our history is backboned on rebellion to authority. People love and embrase diversity, although being gay has been practiced all along it has always since the beginning of time been wrong.
It's good to know homofobic are now under extinction danger. Soon homofobic people will share same stands of dinosaurs in museum. Good for California and hope the rest of states follows the same example. Regards a Citizen from Mexico where only two states allow gay marriage
I'm sorry but you fail. We can reproduce, gays cannot without some kind of science experiement. And it would still require the sperm from the man, egg from a woman.. There is a reason for that. There is also a reason why a mans ass is for out only and contains no sexual purpose than to deficate. But to some pushing in poop is exciting. When lesbians use dildos to simulate normality or rub their crotches together. And yet somehow this activity is supposed to be normal..RIGHT!!!
Yeah were pretty boring couple. And I don't mess around with sluts who are loose as a kaboose, and any other way we wouldn't of had my son..obviously. No need for fantasy, just love. Been married for 11 years legally now as husband and wife in Godly matrimony. That hole is for out only, too bad people have to act almost unhuman or something. I mean its for pooping. Why can't people get that? Running around "hey you put it in my ass, no you put it in mine!" What are people thinking?
Freespeech, you seem obsessed with thinking about men's butts and anuses. Like most vocal homophobes, you are just another closet case like all the Congressmen caught having sex with male escorts and picking up men in bathrooms but claiming "I am not gay!"
I find IT Ironic that California is now allowing Gay couples to join together but are making such a big fuss over some Judge looking at PORN. I mean Sin is Sin. Whats next? Beastiality? What is considered perverse in one generation will be embrased in the next. I just can't fathom a bunch of hairy guys sticking their things in another mans POOPER or some women rubbing their crotches together or simulating normality by using dildos. That lady said" I am gonna eat cake" Whats after that? Dohhh!!!
I hate it when people say things like that. "What's next? Beastiality?" How can you compare being gay to beastiality? Being gay is not a sin, it's not wrong. If two people love each other, they have the right to be married regardless of their gender. How can so many people in this country be so closed-minded? How is gay marriage hurting anyone? How is it threatening anyone? It's not. Just let people be, let them be happy. Live and let live.
You say it is not a sin, but others say it is. Who is right? To you..you are right because to you there is no God, and if their was he certainly didn't say being Gay was a sin right? Well that in itself is a sin because it violates the first commandment. You justify your actions like those who practice beastiality do. Those who have incest do. Justification of sin has been going on since the beginning of time remember this line? "But God!! The woman made me eat the apple!!" Sin is Sin.
This country separated church and state over 200 years ago. The only basis for banning gay marriage is the Bible, which is a religious book. Therefore there is no legal basis for it. As for me not believing there is a God, well, that's not true. I believe in a god, just not YOUR god. I also believe that everyone has the right to love and marry whom they please. I don't believe in "sin" as you do because I'm not Christian, and sin is a Christian idea.
Just because you believe something doesn't make it the ultimate truth. Many people think their religious ideals are the only truth in the universe. That is extremely arrogant of us, as human beings, to think that we KNOW how the universe was created, we KNOW the reasons for our existence, and so forth. I don't claim that my religious beliefs are fact. They are my beliefs, as our yours. I have no problem with people telling me their beliefs, only when they present them as fact.
Well lets toss religious ideas ok? Lets go based on what has worked in the past. We know that a man and a man cannot reproduce children. We know that for many years the family has had a father, and a wife to raise a child for nuturing and support of both genes. That we come so far as humans only to now go back to acting like mere animals. Even animals know to have sex with the opposite sex and we laugh at 2 male dogs trying to hump cause we know it don't work.
Actually sin is part of history from the Jews to the Muslims. Look at the word. Sin is a willing act of rebellion. By your mindset there should be no moral law because moral law is based on biblical law. You are the only one who believes in your God or others like you who make a God for themselves to suit their lfestyle. Do you think it is a good idea that mans laws flow allot like biblical law? The whole "tho shall not murder" steal, lie ? why? see your answer is based on you.
Selfish people always need someone to look down upon. Unfairness is a must in their minds. Unless someone is lower, you can't be content. You teach hate, and you love it.
Women whose period lasted longer than 5 days were beaten. Children who favored their left hand were beaten. People who diobeyed the strict "separate" laws were beaten, even imprisoned.
Now people who are not attracted to members of the oposite sex are persecuted, legally disadvantaged and openly hated.
this world is getting sicker everyday.. there is no more value... we are living in the great pervertion... in the bible said, that we need to watch it... escape from this pervert generation.. for God is coming and judgement day belong to Jesus our Lord God..
just watch and see.. it will happen... California will have big earthquake and everything will go down to the ground and the mouth of the deep will open up and will swallow all the filthiness... just watch... the whole wide world will know and see...
Mira dear, you may need a little more time studying the dictionary, than the bible.
Or the encyclopedia - California has had earthquakes long before the Gays took up residence.
You need help.
Trolling youtube clips for Gay references so you can wave your Old Testament and shriek like Cassandra, won't make you any friends, which clearly you could use.
I wish you more peace than you currently have. Perhaps, minding your own business is the key...?
So they have been having earthquakes for years? Talk about some stiff necked people!! Now they are legally getting married? Whats it going to take? Is California going to be thrown into the sea? Yep actually it will, you just wait. See ya Caligaynia!!
California is like Sodom and Gomorrha in the bible.. California you will have a big earthquake... you will see it will come soon enough and you will see and know that what you guys are doing is wrong...
firstly where i come from religion does not play really any role in society so obviously people are much more free,happier and content with themselves. Secondly everyone knows but may not say that the bible is completely made up and has no real historical backbone so if you people spend more time fixing your present rather than making sure that when you die that you go to heaven you would have much more happier and longer life.
California Congress voted in favor of gay marriage, which was vetoed by Schwarzenegger. Californian supreme court ruled it's unconstitutional. Mayor of SF and LA support gay marriage. Schwarzenegger said he will respect the court's ruling and will OPPOSE a Constitutional amendment. Get over it Conservatives, you're the same who banned interacial marriages, intolerant christian maniacs. It's about civil rights !
How could he say this? The people of California voted in 2004 voted to outlaw gay marriage but a court thinks that it can just over rule what the majority of the people in California want and making a ruling or what they think the law should be. Thats crazy! I cant wait untill November when the people speak again and shove that crazy ruling that the court made right back in their face and make it part of the California constitution that marriage is between one man and one woman!!!
Prop 22 was passed in 2000, not 2004, by 61% of voters in a primary, March, election with a 50% voter turnout. That was just 32% of registered voters, and 19% of all adults in the state ("the people of California") as you say.
November 2008 is a major election. I'm sure voters this time will let people make a personal choice in their lives of who they marry, just like the Constitutionally protected personal choice of religion. Both sides lose nothing, by leaving the Constitution alone.
All law is to be subject to the law of God. When you go beyond your boundaries there will be a judgement against you. This is sure proof that the U.S. will be destroyed soon. Sodom and Gomorroh II
It's always fun hearing from you Bible "Experts". But you need new material. The Old Testament threats of doom expired at the Second Millennium-post Jesus. I suggest you take care of your own salvation and leave others to theirs.
And if I may add - your Monkey President has done more to invoke God's wrath against the U.S. than the Gays ever could. Enjoy your Stimulus Check.
...and I especially enjoy how you reach for insults to make your important Christian views understood. Do you have a bible quote to explain every ignorant idea in your head?
Faggot or fag, in modern North American and Australian English word, and generally a pejorative slur term for a gay or effeminate man. Its use has spread to varying extents elsewhere in the English-speaking world.
The terms are little used in this meaning in British English, where "faggot" traditionally means a bundle of sticks and faggots are a kind of meatball, while "fag" is common slang for a cigarette
I recommend the film FOR THE BIBLE TELLS ME SO. You will learn a few things about what you THINK the bible says. And what it REALLY says. God does not forbid anything. Man's laws are created for crowd control and to keep people in line. The Old Testament bible is a quaint series of scary stories written by MEN designed to keep the ignorant in check. Jesus showed up and said, "God loves you! Get over it!" Oh, and "Mind your own business!" was another Jesus teaching. He was cool.
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genisenoka 1 year ago
@FalconCrestlover73 it wont get over turned so deal with it.
cjyount 1 year ago
oh jessie, jessie... where to begin...?
While your concern begins with your tax dollars, which are, in fact, going to wealthy Wall Street investors and bankers not California "homo fags", you circle the wagons around the "bible", courts and the voters.
In CA, the courts said "Yes" and will say it again soon.
The Bible said "No" to fornication of any kind. And shellfish. You do the math on that.
And the voters...? Really? They would still allow slavery in many Southern states, if they could.
trickdogs 2 years ago
To all the homo fags!!! Do you really think with all the financial problems in this country,its right to cost my tax dollars to listen to your sick and imoral friken tants??Its simple!!!!!
The majority of voters said NO
the courts said NO
The bible said NO.
GO THE FU#@ AWAY!!!!!
jessiejammes 2 years ago
Jessie, you closeted homosexual you, go and suck a dick and shut up. You have no reason to be mad. So shut up you stupid miserible asshole who probably never get one ounce of love in your whole life.
moniequa 2 years ago
@jessiejammes so you would rather us turn into a communist state?
idaman12345 9 months ago
Wot a a big mess. all these are politics. all u ppl go to hell . fuckers are against humanity. god provided woman for man and man for woman. this will be a big disaster for the world and humanity.
bokiba79 2 years ago
I LOVE LOVE GAY PPL<3
FIGHT OM
EightOneEightGuy 3 years ago 2
I wonder ho far "majority rule" can go? Today stripping people of marriage rights. What next?
Wearing visible identification in public?
Being stripped of the right to earn a living?
Being stripped of all tangible property?
Moving to a designated ghetto?
Being rounded up for work/concentration camps?
Being huddled into "showers"?
We're on our way back in time...back to a bad time and a bad place. What will we call "it" when we are back to "decide" life and death for others?
thursdaysrecords 3 years ago 2
IIgnorant
josegaspar 3 years ago
This "Mayor" is a P I N H E A D ! ! ! ! ! What would our founding fathers say if they where alive...
renerivas2 3 years ago
No gay person has ever "learned" to become straight, nor has any straight person ever "caught" gay, and suddenly was attracted to members of the same sex. You are what you are, no matter what anyone tells you, and no matter how you try to be what you're not.
Marriage equality is no threat to anyone. Will gay marriage mae straight people get one? All gay marriage does is making millions of gay people happy.
Do you hate gays more than you love fairness? Fairness is hated only by the unfair.
thursdaysrecords 3 years ago 3
The light is getting brighter. In the meantime always remember that it doesn't matter one bit whether you're gay or straight, it doesn't make you a better or worse person.
Those who hate you for being gay have their hate on their conscience, and lots to answer to any God they pray to once they meet Him. Hate is neither Christian nor human, it's deliberate and it's evil.
polkadotbox2 3 years ago
40 years ago, fundamentalists would have found ways for the Bible to explain that interracial marriage is detestable to God.
70 years ago they would have found Bible verses to explain how the Holocaust was necessary, and brought on by the Jews.
140 years ago, they would have shown you from your own Bible that Blacks were inferior and thus created to serve Whites.
Today thye show you how it's OK to deny a gay person employment or even the right to rent an apartment. Hate is hate.
thursdaysrecords 3 years ago
This is sick....One more reason why I hate California.
HarryLeTroisieme 3 years ago
Seriously, why cruise youtube for Gay Marriage references?
You were not forced to watch this... so stay home in Alabama and watch the Gay porn, which you also hate - a lot.
trickdogs 3 years ago
thankyou harryletroisieme
1955cowboy 3 years ago
Go California! I think when I heard about this I literally jumped up and down. I hope someday we will live in a world where we don't have to hear things like "gays are unnatural disgusting wretches. i hope aids kills em all !!". Although it seems like that will never come, I think this decision, Massachusetts previous acknowledgment of gay marriage, coastal states(sadly can't say all states)acknowledgment of civil unions and laws to stop workplace discrimination are a step in the right direction
SamanthaHone 3 years ago
I was a Christian for many years, well into adulthood. Looking back, I found that there are good people and bad people in all groups, with or without religion.
I must say, though, that Christians always "blamed" their faith for any bias or bigotry. They never owned their hate, it was always "because God says this or God says that".
I never heard God say a single word. All of the mean spirited instructions accredited to Scripture came from humans, regular people who claim to follow Christ.
thursdaysrecords 3 years ago
And you forgot to add... "mwooahh-ha-ha-ha..."
trickdogs 3 years ago
What you just said doesn't make people think less of themselves, it only makes them think less of you.
thursdaysrecords 3 years ago
aww arent u sensitve just like every liberal douchebag just being a walking hallmark card to get on every ones side. if my statement offends you GOOD !
1955cowboy 3 years ago
I can't actually find it here in this comment thread but you so lovingly responded to my comment with
"i cant wait till i watch u burn with all those fags"
I'm sorry you feel that way but your opinion is your opinion and I cannot do anything to try to make you change it. Thank you founding fathers for giving me my right to free speech and opinion! don't attack my opinion if I don't attack yours. I respect yours so please try to respect mine.
SamanthaHone 3 years ago
You are uneducated and blatently stupid for posting remarks such as these. to push your morals based on a religion (that was thought up and practiced by people who thought the world was flat......) is completely ignorant and selfish. If you cant handle one state legalizing gay marriage, just wait. Its a matter of years before several states legalize these common rights. Homosexuality in NO WAY physically harms you, so shove it, redneck.
camhirtle 3 years ago 3
sodom and gumara thats what california is. gays should be gathered up from all over the united states put them on their own island and then bomb it!! i wish we could detach california from the usa!!
1955cowboy 3 years ago
You forgot Massachusetts.
And your dictionary.
"gumara" - that's high-larious!
Your ignorance is typical.
trickdogs 3 years ago
well ok there mr.grammar teacher i made a mistake on the computer typing fast i guess im labeled ignorant for life well hears a label for ya shitkicker how bought high horse ridin tightwad who has nothin better to do but correct peoples writting on the computer nazi pig !
1955cowboy 3 years ago
HAHAHA!!
Your grammar amuses me. It is actually very enlightening to me.
I didn't know you could "hear" labels...
and when you ride "tightwad", are you ridding a tight wad? if so, what is a "wad"?
josegaspar 3 years ago
Being a Homosexual is a sin. But like Christ said he who has no sin throw the 1st stone. We are all sinful and a sin is a sin as a sin is a sin. I'm not judging anyone by their sin. I want you all to know that Christ loves you and thats it.
ICarbajal 3 years ago
There is no need for, nor any purpose in the torment poured out on gays. It is unkind, unfair and cruel.
To hate someone so much to make that person feel ashamed and inferior with no purpose other than to inflict pain is wrong.
The anti-gay campaign is losing popularity. Just like segregation lost favor and has become disgusting, so is the current anti-gay propaganda. You're defending the evil of faith-based hate! Repent!
thursdaysrecords 3 years ago
The word tolerance is not good. Tolerance implies that one is tolerant and the other is tolerated. That's not equality. In equality there is no need for tolerance.
What part of the word equality is so offensive to those who are fighting it so desperately? Equality is coming, just like segregation had to end, and slavery was abandoned.
Somehow all things that are unfair or hateful started with Christianity. What is it about Christians that makes them want to hold on to hate? Weird!
polkadotbox2 3 years ago 2
Homosexuals shouldn't get too comfortable because come November Californians will vote to amend the state's constitution making one man, one woman permanant. Sanity and common sense will once again return.
mickiyelly1960 3 years ago
Hate has no future. Those who kling to bigotry will see themselves on the wrong side of history, alongside the segreagtionists and those who embraced slavery.
Live and let live. You can't be a "Christian" while fighting against equality. Equality won't be held up, but those desperate to keep discrimination alive will be the true minority in the end.
Those who just can't get along migfht be better off just getting out. Few would care if they did. Why not try it and see who cares?
thursdaysrecords 3 years ago
The world's going to Hell in a hand basket.
It's Adam and EVE, not Adam and Steve, people.
Akkita 3 years ago
"Adam & Eve and Adam & Steve" Har-har...
You repeat that line like it means something.
Look around your trailer park... The Gays are the least of your problems.
trickdogs 3 years ago
Wow. You seem pretty smart. Who ever said that I lived in a trailer park? Don't state random facts that you assume are true about people before you even know anything about them.
God Bless. :)
Akkita 3 years ago
My point exactly.
trickdogs 3 years ago
true
1955cowboy 3 years ago
If you enjoy being unfair and unkind to others, then being a Christian helps rationalize those feelings. As a Christian you just have to find a way to blame God for the way you are treating others.
Gays don't mistreat anyone. Gays don't hate anyone. Gays don't demand that others make sacrifices or suffer, while making sure no such concessions affect them.
Come to think of it, atheists have none of those Christian selfishness issues either. Christians have the inequality market cornered!
thursdaysrecords 3 years ago
I was a Christian for many years, well into adulthood. Looking back, I found that there are good people and bad people in all groups, with or without religion.
I must say, though, that Christians always "blamed" their faith for any bias or bigotry. They never owned their hate, it was always "because God says this or God says that".
I never heard God say a single word. All of the mean spirited instructions accredited to Scripture came from humans, regular people who claim to follow Christ.
polkadotbox2 3 years ago 2
We have become a nation of "FREAKS"!
tjohns1962 3 years ago
It's not just in America, or are you THAT naive?
ehawee2 3 years ago
"Mithrys,
You are implying that blacks want to be white, women want to be men, gays want to be straight. WRONG! All everyone wants is to be EQUAL UNDER THE LAW.
Discrimination is always wrong. I know nobody beonging to a minority who would rather be "someone else". All everone (including YOU, assuming you are of no minority) wants is to be equal and not second class citizen.
What part of the word EQUALITY offends yo so much that you are fighting it so fiercely?"
faith based hate!
thursdaysrecords 3 years ago
Equality is the right thing. Some fantatic religious people may still insist right is wrong, that's their problem. Equality is coming. Accept it. Hate will not win over love.
The propblem with gay marriage is that there is no problem. Stop fixing what isn't broken. What part of the word equality do you hate so much? Live and let live, for Christ's sake!
thursdaysrecords 3 years ago
Adam and eve.This is a travisty to our country.We as a people have just spit in Gods eyes.
02ramfan 3 years ago
well great,
I am glad to see everyone is on board for diversity and changing cultural traditions.
I am looking forward to the court supporting the minority rights of polygamy, polyandry, and incest with regards to legal marriage rights.
fair is fair.
Mithrys 3 years ago
Your sarcasm aside - how does it really affect you personally, if gay folks pair off and get "married"?
You lose nothing. What do you fear? You are not the arbiter of social norms. There are many Americans who have different faiths and beliefs. Even non-Christians, imagine...
They live happy, productive lives with families they love.
Why not leave them to it? Why not let them have the legal benefits of "marriage" - it doesn't take anything away from you. You can still pretend "superiority".
DavidRothmiller 3 years ago 3
Exactly, thank you. It doesn't cause anyone any harm. People hide behind this idea that gay marriage will harm the American family, or some such rubbish. It's all about people believing they have the right to push their religious beliefs off on everyone else, that everyone else should live by the same belief system. Gay people getting married harms absolutely no one. To quote Wanda Sykes, "If you don't believe in same sex marriage, then don't marry someone of the same sex."
raerae1281 3 years ago
Blacks and other minorities won the same rights as whites, it does not make them white.
Women won the same rights as men, it does not make them men.
Gays just won the rights of marriage, which is fine, but it does not make them married.
if it does, the definitions of marriage can just keep on changing.
Mithrys 3 years ago
That is non-linear thinking for you.
Your line of logic should result in "Gays won the rights of marriage, it does not make them heterosexual."
The people you use as examples are, indeed, all different. But the rights should, by law in our society, be equal.
DavidRothmiller 3 years ago
And yes, the definition of marriage is actually fluid over time, defined by cultural circumstances (polygamy, polyandry, monogamy) and religious doctrine (e.g. taboos against marriage outside of one's faith).
It is naive to believe our current beliefs about, and laws regarding, "marriage" are the "final" and "ordained" end to the discussion.
DavidRothmiller 3 years ago 2
Well, said, I think. The laws regarding marriage have changed due to time, location, society, etc. There are so many cultures, so many different ways people look at marriage or unions around the world. Who are we to say that the only "right" form of marriage is a man and a woman? It's only one form of marriage in a very diverse world. And the more diverse and more accepting the world is, the better.
raerae1281 3 years ago 3
Mithrys,
You are implying that blacks want to be white, women want to be men, gays want to be straight. WRONG! All everyone wants is to be EQUAL UNDER THE LAW.
Discrimination is always wrong. I know nobody beonging to a minority who would rather be "someone else". All everone (including YOU, assuming you are of no minority) wants is to be equal and not second class citizen.
What part of the word EQUALITY offends yo so much that you are fighting it so fiercely?
polkadotbox2 3 years ago
We also don't believe in proselytizing, or converting, others to our religion. Everyone is free to believe as he or she wishes, and act as he or she wishes as long as it does not hurt others. We are not arrogant enough to believe that our religion is better than anyone else's, our beliefs more important, more sound, than anyone else's. People of other faiths often claim theirs is "the one true faith." There is no one true faith.
raerae1281 3 years ago
Oh, and about this idea you have that I invent a god based around my lifestyle, I'll have you know that my religion, Wicca, has a very strong moral code that condemns the same things Christianity does, and then some. The first line in the Wiccan Reed states, "Harm none, do what ye will" which is exactly what I'm trying to get across. We don't believe in harming others for gain-- and gay marriage does not harm anyone, it only makes the two people in the marriage happy.
raerae1281 3 years ago
Beware the "tyranny of the oligarchy".
We see it at work once again. At least until it is overturned once again.
breakfastisready 3 years ago
That's rich. Do you even know what oligarchy means?
Since when did the wealthy, powerful ruling class give a crap about equal rights? Women's rights? Or gay rights?
Pick another chestnut to drag into the debate - oh, how about "Beware the tyranny of the Democracy".
Our Founding Fathers (Oligarchs), though brilliant, did not want to end slavery, for fear of pissing off the Virginia planters. They did not want to grant Native American Sovereignty for fear of pissing off settlers.
Look it up.
ldthompson 3 years ago
"Beware the tyranny of Democracy" is what gays fear. That's why they rely on unelected judges. Every time "gay marriage" is voted on it is defeated. Every time.
Which means your comparison of gays to black slavery is insulting to most african-americans. And Navtive Americans. And women.
Gays have the same rights that everyone else has. What they want are "additional" rights.
As for the wealthy - gay people have no problem there. As a demo they are at the top.
Educate yourself.
breakfastisready 3 years ago
But best wishes with this silly little thread.
Continue your whining, ignorant hatefest if you wish.
I'm done with ya.
Have fun!
breakfastisready 3 years ago
Actually, James Madison said, "Beware the tyranny of the Majority". He meant that the rights of any minority in any society would not be protected by "the People" i.e. the Majority.
So, like I said, the rights of Blacks, Indians, Women, Gays, Midgets... you name it, must be protected by law, whether through the legislators or the courts.
Isn't learning fun...?
ldthompson 3 years ago
Very well said. Like Jefferson said, it's like "Holding A Wolf By The Ears"
bigdmck01 3 years ago
This country separated church and state over 200 years ago. The only basis for banning gay marriage is the Bible, which is a religious book. Therefore there is no legal basis for it. As for me not believing there is a God, well, that's not true. I believe in a god, just not YOUR god. I also believe that everyone has the right to love and marry whom they please. I don't believe in "sin" as you do because I'm not Christian, and sin is a Christian idea.
raerae1281 3 years ago
You cannot have national morality apart from religious principle. It won't happen. This countries laws are founded on the ten commandments. Perjury, stealing, murder, shall I go on? And when you put morality into the hands of people we see what happens. The year after bibles were removed from school teen pregnacies, rape, and murder went up, and has been going up ever sense. When there is no biblical law or threat of hell, morality is challenged and changed.
freespeachrulez 3 years ago
Of course you can have national morality apart from religious principal. Morality is not based on any particular religion. We had ideas of what was right and wrong long before the ten commandments were written. I belong to a Pagan faith, and my Celtic ancestors knew it was wrong to steal, to murder, to rape, they had laws against such things. Anglo-Saxon people were not the first to come along and say, "Hey, we should invent a moral code."
raerae1281 3 years ago
If Commiefornia gets a gigantic earthquake or sunami... I think we know why it happened.
TeamCrusade 3 years ago
GOD IS PREPPING AN EARTHQUAKE!
hunterdonhillbilly 3 years ago
This is totally SICK!!! Marriage is not a state's institution to just give out because of a court rulling. Marriage was given by GOD and GOD alone. GOD did not give Adam a choice between a man and a woman. He gave a woman to Adam to be married to. These people are celebrating their own eternal damnation!!! Thumbs down me all you want, but it doesn't change the truth, as I have pointed out to all of the gay people I have worked with.
psxwarrior 3 years ago 2
God is punishing Iowa with floods because of their non-diversity. 97% white, almost no gays or minorities. God is punishing them with floods, drowning them. In contrast, life in California is great!
MasterRyker 3 years ago
It's Ridiculous. Gay marriages should be legal throughout the U.S. I'm BI and would have no problem marrying a man. It disgust me for people to sit here and say homosexuality is wrong. How is gay marriage different from marriage? I mean, so what if it's not a man and a woman gettin married? it's the same as in two people love each other. What's wrong with that?
biggestgreendayfan 3 years ago
Yes it may disgust you to sit there and say it is wrong or right but yet people do it all the time, they sit on their own judgment seat. A seat that is not theirs. They play morality chess and become borderline Gods deciding what is right and wrong. That is the problem. People have lost touch with God because our history is backboned on rebellion to authority. People love and embrase diversity, although being gay has been practiced all along it has always since the beginning of time been wrong.
freespeachrulez 3 years ago
It's good to know homofobic are now under extinction danger. Soon homofobic people will share same stands of dinosaurs in museum. Good for California and hope the rest of states follows the same example. Regards a Citizen from Mexico where only two states allow gay marriage
luis400 3 years ago
I'm sorry but you fail. We can reproduce, gays cannot without some kind of science experiement. And it would still require the sperm from the man, egg from a woman.. There is a reason for that. There is also a reason why a mans ass is for out only and contains no sexual purpose than to deficate. But to some pushing in poop is exciting. When lesbians use dildos to simulate normality or rub their crotches together. And yet somehow this activity is supposed to be normal..RIGHT!!!
freespeachrulez 3 years ago
I hope with your girlfriend you don't just put your dick in her pussy...otherwise what a boring sex that is
i hope you have some more fantasy in bed
Shaxaeld 3 years ago
Yeah were pretty boring couple. And I don't mess around with sluts who are loose as a kaboose, and any other way we wouldn't of had my son..obviously. No need for fantasy, just love. Been married for 11 years legally now as husband and wife in Godly matrimony. That hole is for out only, too bad people have to act almost unhuman or something. I mean its for pooping. Why can't people get that? Running around "hey you put it in my ass, no you put it in mine!" What are people thinking?
freespeachrulez 3 years ago 2
Freespeech, you seem obsessed with thinking about men's butts and anuses. Like most vocal homophobes, you are just another closet case like all the Congressmen caught having sex with male escorts and picking up men in bathrooms but claiming "I am not gay!"
MasterRyker 3 years ago
I would like to see the Polygamists have legal marriage rights in California.
Mithrys 3 years ago
Why not? As long as they are not hurting anyone - right???
breakfastisready 3 years ago
Yes I agree, if they want to go to hell. Let them..Who are we to stand in their way??
freespeachrulez 3 years ago
I find IT Ironic that California is now allowing Gay couples to join together but are making such a big fuss over some Judge looking at PORN. I mean Sin is Sin. Whats next? Beastiality? What is considered perverse in one generation will be embrased in the next. I just can't fathom a bunch of hairy guys sticking their things in another mans POOPER or some women rubbing their crotches together or simulating normality by using dildos. That lady said" I am gonna eat cake" Whats after that? Dohhh!!!
freespeachrulez 3 years ago
I hate it when people say things like that. "What's next? Beastiality?" How can you compare being gay to beastiality? Being gay is not a sin, it's not wrong. If two people love each other, they have the right to be married regardless of their gender. How can so many people in this country be so closed-minded? How is gay marriage hurting anyone? How is it threatening anyone? It's not. Just let people be, let them be happy. Live and let live.
raerae1281 3 years ago
You say it is not a sin, but others say it is. Who is right? To you..you are right because to you there is no God, and if their was he certainly didn't say being Gay was a sin right? Well that in itself is a sin because it violates the first commandment. You justify your actions like those who practice beastiality do. Those who have incest do. Justification of sin has been going on since the beginning of time remember this line? "But God!! The woman made me eat the apple!!" Sin is Sin.
freespeachrulez 3 years ago
This country separated church and state over 200 years ago. The only basis for banning gay marriage is the Bible, which is a religious book. Therefore there is no legal basis for it. As for me not believing there is a God, well, that's not true. I believe in a god, just not YOUR god. I also believe that everyone has the right to love and marry whom they please. I don't believe in "sin" as you do because I'm not Christian, and sin is a Christian idea.
raerae1281 3 years ago
Just because you believe something doesn't make it the ultimate truth. Many people think their religious ideals are the only truth in the universe. That is extremely arrogant of us, as human beings, to think that we KNOW how the universe was created, we KNOW the reasons for our existence, and so forth. I don't claim that my religious beliefs are fact. They are my beliefs, as our yours. I have no problem with people telling me their beliefs, only when they present them as fact.
raerae1281 3 years ago
Well lets toss religious ideas ok? Lets go based on what has worked in the past. We know that a man and a man cannot reproduce children. We know that for many years the family has had a father, and a wife to raise a child for nuturing and support of both genes. That we come so far as humans only to now go back to acting like mere animals. Even animals know to have sex with the opposite sex and we laugh at 2 male dogs trying to hump cause we know it don't work.
freespeachrulez 3 years ago
you make alot of sense o by the way youtube keeps on taking my comments off they must not go by freedom of speech so speak for me
7hil7bily 3 years ago
Actually sin is part of history from the Jews to the Muslims. Look at the word. Sin is a willing act of rebellion. By your mindset there should be no moral law because moral law is based on biblical law. You are the only one who believes in your God or others like you who make a God for themselves to suit their lfestyle. Do you think it is a good idea that mans laws flow allot like biblical law? The whole "tho shall not murder" steal, lie ? why? see your answer is based on you.
freespeachrulez 3 years ago
I feel sorry that its taken so long to give gay people equal rights...
JoeyBoya 3 years ago
I can see it, in a few years a natural disaster will occur in Cal. then Christians/Muslims will proudly say their god killed those people.
Go California!
Indecisive0As0Always 3 years ago
No it will be aids or the fact that they can't reproduce that will kill the gays off.
freespeachrulez 3 years ago
You need no Bible to know that discrimination is wrong. You need a Bible to convince people that discrimination is right.
polkadotbox2 3 years ago
Selfish people always need someone to look down upon. Unfairness is a must in their minds. Unless someone is lower, you can't be content. You teach hate, and you love it.
Women whose period lasted longer than 5 days were beaten. Children who favored their left hand were beaten. People who diobeyed the strict "separate" laws were beaten, even imprisoned.
Now people who are not attracted to members of the oposite sex are persecuted, legally disadvantaged and openly hated.
thursdaysrecords 3 years ago
this world is getting sicker everyday.. there is no more value... we are living in the great pervertion... in the bible said, that we need to watch it... escape from this pervert generation.. for God is coming and judgement day belong to Jesus our Lord God..
Mira7777 3 years ago
just watch and see.. it will happen... California will have big earthquake and everything will go down to the ground and the mouth of the deep will open up and will swallow all the filthiness... just watch... the whole wide world will know and see...
Mira7777 3 years ago
Mira dear, you may need a little more time studying the dictionary, than the bible.
Or the encyclopedia - California has had earthquakes long before the Gays took up residence.
You need help.
Trolling youtube clips for Gay references so you can wave your Old Testament and shriek like Cassandra, won't make you any friends, which clearly you could use.
I wish you more peace than you currently have. Perhaps, minding your own business is the key...?
DavidRothmiller 3 years ago
So they have been having earthquakes for years? Talk about some stiff necked people!! Now they are legally getting married? Whats it going to take? Is California going to be thrown into the sea? Yep actually it will, you just wait. See ya Caligaynia!!
freespeachrulez 3 years ago
But what about Massachusetts? What does your crystal ball say will be their reckoning?
Let me guess... a Plague of dead Kennedys will return to terrify idiots like you with equality and Democratic values.
ldthompson 3 years ago
California is like Sodom and Gomorrha in the bible.. California you will have a big earthquake... you will see it will come soon enough and you will see and know that what you guys are doing is wrong...
Mira7777 3 years ago
firstly where i come from religion does not play really any role in society so obviously people are much more free,happier and content with themselves. Secondly everyone knows but may not say that the bible is completely made up and has no real historical backbone so if you people spend more time fixing your present rather than making sure that when you die that you go to heaven you would have much more happier and longer life.
garethw26 3 years ago
It's about equality, and it's about time.
polkadotbox2 3 years ago 3
California Congress voted in favor of gay marriage, which was vetoed by Schwarzenegger. Californian supreme court ruled it's unconstitutional. Mayor of SF and LA support gay marriage. Schwarzenegger said he will respect the court's ruling and will OPPOSE a Constitutional amendment. Get over it Conservatives, you're the same who banned interacial marriages, intolerant christian maniacs. It's about civil rights !
jacquelineveronique 3 years ago 3
How could he say this? The people of California voted in 2004 voted to outlaw gay marriage but a court thinks that it can just over rule what the majority of the people in California want and making a ruling or what they think the law should be. Thats crazy! I cant wait untill November when the people speak again and shove that crazy ruling that the court made right back in their face and make it part of the California constitution that marriage is between one man and one woman!!!
almostime21 3 years ago
Prop 22 was passed in 2000, not 2004, by 61% of voters in a primary, March, election with a 50% voter turnout. That was just 32% of registered voters, and 19% of all adults in the state ("the people of California") as you say.
November 2008 is a major election. I'm sure voters this time will let people make a personal choice in their lives of who they marry, just like the Constitutionally protected personal choice of religion. Both sides lose nothing, by leaving the Constitution alone.
5random1 3 years ago
All law is to be subject to the law of God. When you go beyond your boundaries there will be a judgement against you. This is sure proof that the U.S. will be destroyed soon. Sodom and Gomorroh II
uchoob00 3 years ago
It's always fun hearing from you Bible "Experts". But you need new material. The Old Testament threats of doom expired at the Second Millennium-post Jesus. I suggest you take care of your own salvation and leave others to theirs.
And if I may add - your Monkey President has done more to invoke God's wrath against the U.S. than the Gays ever could. Enjoy your Stimulus Check.
DavidRothmiller 3 years ago
Salvation? You really think I give a damn about your salvation? lol I think you've overestimated the importance of your existence.
When rules are broken there are consequences, be it individuals or nations. That's just how it is. If that bothers you, tough.
uchoob00 3 years ago
What are you? The Decider? That's been taken.
We Buddhists are not afraid of your Old Testament and your cranky moral hypocrisy.
Shoo! Be gone!
DavidRothmiller 3 years ago
...and I especially enjoy how you reach for insults to make your important Christian views understood. Do you have a bible quote to explain every ignorant idea in your head?
DavidRothmiller 3 years ago
faggots
freespeech 3 years ago
Is that a Bible quote?
DavidRothmiller 3 years ago
Faggot (slang)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Faggot or fag, in modern North American and Australian English word, and generally a pejorative slur term for a gay or effeminate man. Its use has spread to varying extents elsewhere in the English-speaking world.
The terms are little used in this meaning in British English, where "faggot" traditionally means a bundle of sticks and faggots are a kind of meatball, while "fag" is common slang for a cigarette
freespeech 3 years ago
Oh yes... a kind of meatball.
How arch.
DavidRothmiller 3 years ago
I recommend the film FOR THE BIBLE TELLS ME SO. You will learn a few things about what you THINK the bible says. And what it REALLY says. God does not forbid anything. Man's laws are created for crowd control and to keep people in line. The Old Testament bible is a quaint series of scary stories written by MEN designed to keep the ignorant in check. Jesus showed up and said, "God loves you! Get over it!" Oh, and "Mind your own business!" was another Jesus teaching. He was cool.
DavidRothmiller 3 years ago
jesus hang with 12 half naked man and a hooker in dark places,how about that?pervs!
chamula1968 3 years ago
im not even from america and im abolutely thrilled to bits about this! thankyou for posrting
petpplluv 3 years ago 2