Compare SENNA with SHUMACHER, is the same as compare, a MAN, WITH A BABY....
If was Shumacher against Prost, after 10 years, maybe schumarcher gets 1 championship...
That is the difference... Without comment Schumacher drove and was champ, driving for a dirty team with a dirty boss ( FLAVIO BRIATORI) or whatever is the right spell.. a crook !
On the other side, Senna, made the LOTUS , be re-born on F1 !!
Is very simple... look Shumacher driving a regular car like now... mercedez time any win ?
swallowAyrtonSenna - fucking son of a bitch! Made like dozen of bad videos about Senna, and turned off commentaries, and took off from YouTube. In the same time he made few good videos about Schumacher - what a fucking tosser that dude is... Fucking pathetic faggot!
Even with a 2nd place at Suzuka (Prost : 82 Senna : 69) he was sure to win the 89 world title before the last GP in Australia, so what's the point of take out Senna ?
@Shogo5000 Senna had to win at Suzuka to retain the chance for the title at Adelaide. If he would've won at Adelaide, he would be the world champion. Back then rules were slightly different. Senna won at Suzuka, and raced at Adelaide, while Prost didn't even want to race in rain conditions.
I am a Huge Senna fan..... It is obvious that Prost took out Senna in this race for the '89 Championship. However Senna did the same thing the next year at the same race right out of the start.
This is the fact of motor racing at any level..... If you do not do whatever you can to win then you are no longer a professional racing driver
In Suzuka 1989, Prost lead the point (76) and Senna (60)...with 1 GP left in Adelaide and superb reliability from Mclaren during 88-90....logically almost impossible for Senna to retain the 1988 title ....in my opinion there's no benefit for Prost taken Senna out at Suzuka ..on the other hand...with 2 GP remaining in Jpn & Aus ...Senna must win all 2 remaining GP and make sure Prost got max 1 point...so let every body think once again who's has the interest & responsible with that crash....:)
From what I understand seeing the images of Prost cockpit, it looks in the rearview mirror both times but in the time of the collision it simply gives a peek in the mirror and steers sooner than had been doing, it seems to me intentionally to get Senna out of the race. And after Senna was disqualified for having gone through the chicane, invented a reason to disqualify him, and this certainly happened thru order of Mr. Jean Marie Ballestre, also French, and then president of the FIA.
I honestly dont know and never will know who did what that day but Prost was 'The Professor' in the context that he did what it took to win whether that was finishing first or last to claim the points he needed, Senna needed that race to become Champ if he didnt beat Prost, he lost, he won! but the french are a team and he was stripped of his Championship, that race stunk of french intervention.. just saying.
It was a totally intentional move from Prost, the only other thing that was more disgraceful was the decision of FIA to disqualify Senna, for using the safety road. They actually fined Senna $100,000 later on for the same incident, if I'm not wrong I think I read somewhere that he was also banned from driving F1 cars for 6 months. These draconian penalties tell me that FIA was making it look as if Senna did something so bad that he deserves these kind of penalties and taking the focus off Prost.
It's a close call. I am an admirer of Senna, and would marginally side with him on this one. That said it was a racing incident - it is open to interpretation whose corner that is.
Prost wasn't a coward, however. He was a great, uncompromising racer as was Senna (though with a different approach to things). Even Senna came to appreciate Prost before his tragic death - there was, later on, mutual respect between them.
I might be the only one to say so, it was both of their faults! senna dove in and had an improper entry into the corner which would have resulted in a slow corner entry and exit, prost looks like he had the proper line and probably did not see senna dive into the corner, or he did but took the corner like he normally would thus slamming into senna, i say both their faults because prost should have seen him, and senna paid the price for a risky pass instead of being more patient.
@3dwardXP Prost's fault. Why? First in this video, if you look Prost's helmet you can see he was steering to the right side instead to the front (in case he wouldn't have seen Senna's car). Furthermore, if you see this video from an upper side view, you will notice that Prost started to turn right into the corner so much earlier than in the normal way (if Senna's car wasn't there, Prost would have gone through the inner grass of the corner). That means he did it in purpose to not let Senna goes!
I think that it was prost fault because if we see video from air we can see that prost saw how senna was attempting to pass so he began goingn in the corner much more earlier than he should do I think that it was prost fault and it was senna's championship title.
As much of a Senna fan as I am I have to sadly admit that it seemed to risky of a turn for Senna to have attempted. Prost had the lead the whole race and Senna never had the opportunity to pass. He did a very dangerous thing. Regardless of what happened, Senna would have been disqualified for having had a push start following the accident. Prost rightfully won the 89 championship.
@jballz83 He got pushed in a danger zone which, I assume, is why that was never the official ruling for the DQ. He got DQ'd for cutting a chicane which is by far the most ridiculous call ever made since no one ever get's DQ'd (or penalized at all) for that. It's not a matter of which driver is right or wrong here. Both were wrong. The way the FIA handled it was even worse. Prost's and Balestre's obvious fraternizing didn't help the situation either.
I think Senna was being a bit risky trying to get through at the Casio Triangle; the road's very tight there. But Prost definitely turned in about a metre too early. Both were at fault in my opinion.
@TheSpeederMe Well Senna continued but was disqualified after the race for cutting the chicane which has to be one of the most ludicrous decisions in the history of f1.
@Hmkls Not true. He pulled the exact same move on Nannini (from about the same distance) a few laps later although Nannini had a slight lock-up just before turn in. That's how confident he was. Even after the collision with Prost he knew he could pull it off and proved it to everyone.
I'm a huge Senna fan but I'd call this racing incident. I don't think Prost did it on purpose. The incident on itself is not lame. The lame part came after that with Prost's appeal against Senna :)
I have to say that Prost DIDN'T turn in THAT early simply for that fact that he knew that he was going to make contact with his car anyway, if he was a proper racecar driver, he would have seen him in the mirrors and been able to avoid him. simple as that.
Prost turned into Senna before they actually got to the turn. Prost would have turned into the grass if you take Senna out of the drive line. Look at aerial videos and you will see. Prost couldn't stand that Senna was going to show him up once again.
too much Senna's groupie here ! I'm a fan but here if you know just the basics from motor racing, you should know that Prost just take a line juste little more direct to defend his place and senna hit him while he was stil far behin and on the wrong line took take this curve!
Prost tried to take him out .... at 21 sec , Senna had the inside lane since prost took the turn to wide * which shows how senna's vision was better on the tarmac " Once prost realized that senna had the inside line he wouldn't allow him to pass so he tried to cut him off from passing which lead to to the cars locking up together ....
@Milenium412 cause Prost got out of his car and gave up thinking he won the championship so why bother. It was a big mistake that he acknowledges today although in hindsight it made no difference, but he still could have had a race victory since his car was undamaged while Senna had to replace the wing.
So let's say if both of their cars break down during that time, would they still be in the race or disqualified? What if other drivers overtake them from behind?
@Milenium412 If they both retired from damage after the crash then that would be it. Neither would be disqualified but there were still six laps left so neither would be classified as finishing the race, and 10 other cars actually did. Technically Prost was still 2nd until Nannini passed his parked car but it's a moot point cause he chose to get out and retire despite being in a dangerous position and thus allowed a push start (like Senna, who was only DQ'd for cutting the chicane afterwards).
I love Senna, but it was Sennas fault.There was no way he was going to make that pass and turn into the chicane at that speed and angle. Frost did turn in on Senna but he had no choice,either turn in and make him give position or just give him the world title without a fight.Just being honest everyone.
@lovthaigurlz Look at 21 sec and freeze ... i hope you see that gap .... if you know anything about F1 and driving lines you would know that prost is off of the driving line and in the no grip zone ... prost realized he failed to hold the lead on senna and that he made a mistake by taking that turn too wide ... so when senna had the inside line which is the correct line he prost tried to cut him off ... i don't see how this is senna's fault ...
@KANNOMlw 21 sec explains it all ... the gap that prost gave and the wide turn showed that senna had the inside line ... prost was the cause of the accident
@imtheduke Even he had won this race, he would have lost the championship. People tend to forget that, but anyway, thanks for your misunderstanding of the points system.
That wimp turned early on purpose & cheated the greatest driver ever out of another championship, as he would do again by cowardishly blocking him from Williams in '93 ...PROST SUCKS
Absolutely Prost misstake 1:00 turned more later than when the accident happend 0:23. It was unfair.(FIA) Schumacher was disqualified from the championship of 97 because he did a big misstake.(I dont understand why) But it wasnt a misstake from Prost. Its more than a misstake. Senna did illegal things. But Prost wanted to take out him. And if he hadn't countinued the race he would lost his chance. So the fair decision from the FIA: Senna disqulaify from the race and Prost from the championship
Pause the video around the :23 second mark, you'll see Prost turn in way to early, and if senna hadn't been on the inside, he'd have cut the corner, Prost doesn't cut corners, In my eyes it was a deliberate move to cut Senna up, and the political side was always biased towards Prost, due to him being French, hence why Senna was disqualified.
Prost turned in early, not to cause a crash but to close the door on Senna because he didn’t realize they were even. He didn’t think Senna would play 10% racing, 90% positioning by coming in on a terrible approach at absolute maximum speed. If everyone raced like that, open-wheel racing would not be possible. So I give Senna 90% of the blame for over-aggression, and Prost 10% for not anticipating his stupidity.
These imagines don't help. Prost was in advance of Senna, and in F1 rules who's in advance has the right to decide the trajectory...
Anyway, Alain Prost never lost to Senna when they had the same car: in 1989 Prost won Championship; in 1988 Senna won, but Prost made more points than Senna who title won only by the strange rule of discards.
prost ran straight to race control to moan and bitch after senna rejoined and won the race amazing driving to do it , only to have it taken away by the biggest bunch of conmen going . watch the senna film its an eyeopener to the political bullshit in the sport durning senna times .
@jkamwal2 the actual reason senna was dq from the race was for cutting the chicane when he rejoined not for getting a push start , prost knew he had fia on his side
Had Prost conceded the turn to Senna by going a bit wide on the entry to the chicane (assuming he knew "exactly" where Senna was),Prost would have been on the left (inside) of the left hand exit from the chicane. He then would be in a position to "force" Senna onto the right hand side of the exit (grass).Enter alternate debate reality option here.Unless of course Prost simply decided to concede the whole race to Senna, which of course is NOT automobile racing (But what Senna would have liked).
Senna didn't took out Prost, But his manoeuvre was reckless. Aryton always put himself and his rivals on these ''let me pass or crash'' situations. Not good sportsmanship from Senna, if he ever had some. But don't get me wrong, he his still the best F1 driver of all times
im sorry but prost looks twice in his wing mirror before turning in, prost knew he was there and turned in so he could take senna out and win the championship!
You can't really see from the onboard but you can see from other footages that Senna was more than half way up Prost's side before Prost turned in. It was DEFINITELY Senna's corner. Based on basic drivers etiquette which is generally accepted in all professional motor racing including karting, Prost should've yielded to Senna. It is actually a 'racing incident' but one that which Prost is at fault for causing. Balestre stupidly blamed Senna and gave him a 6 month suspension for 'unsafe driving'.
this is a silly question...but if you havent seen it, if Senna hadnt been there when Prost turned in, 2 tyres would have been on the grass on entry to the chicane. Not a normal apex I'll say
Yes, I believe Prost intentionally turned in on Senna.
In fact, I think Prost braked extra early for the chicane to goad Senna into making that move to bring him alongside. I'm basing that on my observation Senna did not look any closer to Prost exiting the 130R than he had on the previous lap.
he did it for purpose, before starting the corner, he look inside the mirror and he turns to left. If Senna wasn't there, Prost would have cutted the corner going on the grass, and obviously it's difficult to do such a mistake
@Sammy95kor i love senna, but he did this shit all the time, if he had have taken the spot Alain would have almost had to come to a complete stop in the corner to avoid him, Alain was not standing for it and good on him, people normaly just gave up the position and that was that, but good to see everyone didnt take this sort of crap from senna.
@maulzor To be honest, while I think Prost DID turn in on Senna...I'm not 100% sure Senna was going to have made it through the chicane even if he succeeded passing Prost because he was carrying an awful lot of speed there when the collision occurred.
continued....is the fact that the father, who had seen many lives perish in his profession, drove at the speed of a Senna, with the care of others safety first. In the end regardless of who you admired more, you the spectator was treated to a duel between to knights every weekend (rare in any sport), and on Ayrton's day, in his car, he said to Prost on National TV "I miss you", moments later he was gone and who was one of his palbearers ? ! You must know all of Prost's career to comment on him
prost did know if him and ayrton did not fineshd the race he would be the champ, thats the reason he forced the divebomb gap to disappear, senna sould know that, he took the risk and won the race at all.
i like to say, ayrton and alan intentions in 1989 and 1990 were the same with diferent speeds. ayrton once again made sure he deserve it, against again prost and jmb.
stop the vid at 1:02 and watch the position of the front wheel in relation with the kerb. Then stop it again at 1:16 watch again the position of the front wheel in relation with the kerb and compare it with the previous one. It is more than obvious that Prost turns into Senna's car
Schumacher has nothing to do with this but everyone knows Schumacher is the biggest cheat in the history of F1 , he took Damon Hill out in Adelaide 1994 and also tried to take Villeneuve out in 1997,and ofcourse their was 1994 when he had an illegal car using banned electronics!
They were on the car. They couldn't prove they were activated at any point. Maybe they used, maybe not. At the end of the day though, if it was banned, it shouldn't be there. Period! What was it there for? In case they allowed it again? That has sneaky cheating written all over it. The team was run by Briatore......nuff said. Deny all you want. If there wasn't so much controversy that year they would have been penalized heavily for it.
@xcruzrr6 The FIA ran an investigation and nothing came of it. Note that Schumacher was penalised and banned from number of races for a incidents which didn't deserve penalties (Silverstone, Spa etc), so any notion of favouritism is simple fanboy ranting and deserves to be ignored. As for "cheating"; you don't think the F1 teams are all pushing everything to the limit? They all bend the rules as far as possible.
As for cheating, Senna rammed Prost off in '90 for the title. 'nuff said.
@MrThreshold2009 Prost took him out in '89. It was just wasn't as blatant. Deny if you want. I dont care.
As for the rest of your pointless comment, I never said a damn thing about favoritism so your "fanboy" claim is baseless. As for his penalties, ignoring a black flag doesn't deserve a penalty? An overly worn skidblock doesn't deserve a penalty? and you got the nerve to cal ME a fanboy? Cheatiing or simply an error in judgement? I don't care. Break a rule=penalty. Nothing new.
@xcruzrr6 I wasn't denying anything; indeed, I didn't even mention Prost in the last post. You've just made this wild assumption yourself and, as a consequence, furthered your fanboyish image in my eyes. You don't seem to think about what you write before going off on one.
And I happen to think it's obvious Prost did ram Senna out, but there is a slight difference between doing it the way he did and careering each other off the road at 150mph like Senna did.
@MrThreshold2009 "The FIA ran an investigation and nothing came of it. Note that Schumacher was penalised and banned from number of races for a incidents which didn't deserve penalties (Silverstone, Spa etc), so any notion of favouritism is simple fanboy ranting and deserves to be ignored. As for "cheating"; you don't think the F1 teams are all pushing everything to the limit? They all bend the rules as far as possible.
As for cheating, Senna rammed Prost off in '90 for the title. 'nuff said."
@MrThreshold2009 Look man. You made it clear you're a hypocrite and you can't proof read your own shit. You denied something you wrote so I repost it for you and you say "thanks for copying verbatim". Yea, so YOU can see what you wrote. Banned items were found in the ECU. You try and justify it by saying teams cheat. Yea, they do bend the rules but this was BANNED. It demanded a penalty. I try to be fair and you're trying to belittle me? I'm not your "dear" faggot. Go somewhere.
@xcruzrr6 You're clearly a dunce. I'm not bothering writing out it out for you all again so you can just miss the whole point. Go away and play with your toys, kid.
Prost was on the racing line and Senna tried to pass on the inside under breaking. judging by the in car cam Prost did not see Senna on the inside and it was an unintentional accident.
@karter2225 Unfortunately you are very wrong. Senna broke the rules by taking the escape road. Prost didn´t think for a second that Senna would be that stupid, that´s why he didn´t count on that when he took the corner
very hamilton-esque from prost, he had nowhere to go, if ayrton wasnt there he'd have gone off track...exactly the same as hamilton-massa in india if massa wasnt there hamilton wouldnt have made the corner.....GET HAMILTON OUT OF THE MCLAREN!!!
we can all argue till were blue in the face. prost could've given him room, senna didn't have the proper racing line but prost did. what we should argue is as to why the fia took the win and eventually the title away from senna after he went back to the pits down laps for a new front wing. in the rule book he did not cut the chicane to gain position, he cut through cause it was the safer way of getting back on the track. did the fia want the guys to roll him backwards onto potential traffic?
great race make fans argue forever.....prost have tire problem and getting slow. and senna too fast cant slow down. thats the truth....they both fxk up so no1 win. fair the race and face the truth u people.
50-50. Yes, Prost closed the door but Senna was coming from way behind, if the drivers infront just let's you pass like that he's not longer a real racing driver.
Compare SENNA with SHUMACHER, is the same as compare, a MAN, WITH A BABY....
If was Shumacher against Prost, after 10 years, maybe schumarcher gets 1 championship...
That is the difference... Without comment Schumacher drove and was champ, driving for a dirty team with a dirty boss ( FLAVIO BRIATORI) or whatever is the right spell.. a crook !
On the other side, Senna, made the LOTUS , be re-born on F1 !!
Is very simple... look Shumacher driving a regular car like now... mercedez time any win ?
MONTEIRW 10 hours ago
Prost era um otário mas não era burro a ponto de fechar Senna sem querer.
swpuera 14 hours ago
and by the way, yes that swallowayrtonsenna is a fucking kid, and i bet he doesnt even knows Senna.
V12Style 17 hours ago
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Prost fault. If Senna wasn't there, Prost would have ran over the grass.
V12Style 17 hours ago
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V12Style 17 hours ago
He was hit on purpose to Senna
because He has shortcut the chicane
kobayasitenma 1 day ago
On lap 47 I is on the right much more than 46 and he knew senna was there.
TheChris1012 4 days ago
swallowAyrtonSenna - fucking son of a bitch! Made like dozen of bad videos about Senna, and turned off commentaries, and took off from YouTube. In the same time he made few good videos about Schumacher - what a fucking tosser that dude is... Fucking pathetic faggot!
thylegion 6 days ago
Prost was a bitch. Complete fucking asshole.
Livedog333 1 week ago
Prost is a loser for end of 89 saison. He don't accept to senna beat him. He has take a schumacher manoeuvre. But he was inteligent. Calculated
touzeau3333 1 week ago
Prost led 76 points to 60 for Senna.
Even with a 2nd place at Suzuka (Prost : 82 Senna : 69) he was sure to win the 89 world title before the last GP in Australia, so what's the point of take out Senna ?
Shogo5000 1 week ago
@Shogo5000 Senna had to win at Suzuka to retain the chance for the title at Adelaide. If he would've won at Adelaide, he would be the world champion. Back then rules were slightly different. Senna won at Suzuka, and raced at Adelaide, while Prost didn't even want to race in rain conditions.
thylegion 6 days ago
I am a Huge Senna fan..... It is obvious that Prost took out Senna in this race for the '89 Championship. However Senna did the same thing the next year at the same race right out of the start.
This is the fact of motor racing at any level..... If you do not do whatever you can to win then you are no longer a professional racing driver
JacobinRevival 2 weeks ago
Daylight fucking robbery!
TheBlimp888 2 weeks ago
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In Suzuka 1989, Prost lead the point (76) and Senna (60)...with 1 GP left in Adelaide and superb reliability from Mclaren during 88-90....logically almost impossible for Senna to retain the 1988 title ....in my opinion there's no benefit for Prost taken Senna out at Suzuka ..on the other hand...with 2 GP remaining in Jpn & Aus ...Senna must win all 2 remaining GP and make sure Prost got max 1 point...so let every body think once again who's has the interest & responsible with that crash....:)
TheZhang2011 2 weeks ago
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TheZhang2011 2 weeks ago
From what I understand seeing the images of Prost cockpit, it looks in the rearview mirror both times but in the time of the collision it simply gives a peek in the mirror and steers sooner than had been doing, it seems to me intentionally to get Senna out of the race. And after Senna was disqualified for having gone through the chicane, invented a reason to disqualify him, and this certainly happened thru order of Mr. Jean Marie Ballestre, also French, and then president of the FIA.
f3rc05ta 3 weeks ago
I honestly dont know and never will know who did what that day but Prost was 'The Professor' in the context that he did what it took to win whether that was finishing first or last to claim the points he needed, Senna needed that race to become Champ if he didnt beat Prost, he lost, he won! but the french are a team and he was stripped of his Championship, that race stunk of french intervention.. just saying.
kylemurphyf1 3 weeks ago
It was a totally intentional move from Prost, the only other thing that was more disgraceful was the decision of FIA to disqualify Senna, for using the safety road. They actually fined Senna $100,000 later on for the same incident, if I'm not wrong I think I read somewhere that he was also banned from driving F1 cars for 6 months. These draconian penalties tell me that FIA was making it look as if Senna did something so bad that he deserves these kind of penalties and taking the focus off Prost.
BK0125 3 weeks ago
This is what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object.
playnationskitchin 3 weeks ago
that was a pretty ballsy move by senna but it should have been respected
lsbgamer 3 weeks ago
Prost is the biggest pussy in history of formula 1.
He proved it several times.
botom74 3 weeks ago
It's a close call. I am an admirer of Senna, and would marginally side with him on this one. That said it was a racing incident - it is open to interpretation whose corner that is.
Prost wasn't a coward, however. He was a great, uncompromising racer as was Senna (though with a different approach to things). Even Senna came to appreciate Prost before his tragic death - there was, later on, mutual respect between them.
DeckardWill 4 weeks ago
Either that, or Prost does not know his car has mirrors.
AndrewVanbasten12 1 month ago
No
rendlesham 1 month ago
I might be the only one to say so, it was both of their faults! senna dove in and had an improper entry into the corner which would have resulted in a slow corner entry and exit, prost looks like he had the proper line and probably did not see senna dive into the corner, or he did but took the corner like he normally would thus slamming into senna, i say both their faults because prost should have seen him, and senna paid the price for a risky pass instead of being more patient.
3dwardXP 1 month ago
@3dwardXP Prost's fault. Why? First in this video, if you look Prost's helmet you can see he was steering to the right side instead to the front (in case he wouldn't have seen Senna's car). Furthermore, if you see this video from an upper side view, you will notice that Prost started to turn right into the corner so much earlier than in the normal way (if Senna's car wasn't there, Prost would have gone through the inner grass of the corner). That means he did it in purpose to not let Senna goes!
McLarenSenna1984 1 month ago
prost fake and coward
mkhkknn 1 month ago
@mkhkknn yeah, that explains how he won the world championship 4 times...
robertceeisblazin 1 month ago
@robertceeisblazin many ways to win championships. Coward ways too
mkhkknn 3 weeks ago
I think that it was prost fault because if we see video from air we can see that prost saw how senna was attempting to pass so he began goingn in the corner much more earlier than he should do I think that it was prost fault and it was senna's championship title.
nikapopiashvili9 1 month ago
As much of a Senna fan as I am I have to sadly admit that it seemed to risky of a turn for Senna to have attempted. Prost had the lead the whole race and Senna never had the opportunity to pass. He did a very dangerous thing. Regardless of what happened, Senna would have been disqualified for having had a push start following the accident. Prost rightfully won the 89 championship.
jballz83 1 month ago
@jballz83 He got pushed in a danger zone which, I assume, is why that was never the official ruling for the DQ. He got DQ'd for cutting a chicane which is by far the most ridiculous call ever made since no one ever get's DQ'd (or penalized at all) for that. It's not a matter of which driver is right or wrong here. Both were wrong. The way the FIA handled it was even worse. Prost's and Balestre's obvious fraternizing didn't help the situation either.
xcruzrr6 3 weeks ago
I think Senna was being a bit risky trying to get through at the Casio Triangle; the road's very tight there. But Prost definitely turned in about a metre too early. Both were at fault in my opinion.
TheEljay 1 month ago
@thashNMBR1 Actually he took himself out not Senna who was able to continue..
TheSpeederMe 1 month ago
@TheSpeederMe Well Senna continued but was disqualified after the race for cutting the chicane which has to be one of the most ludicrous decisions in the history of f1.
david181993 1 month ago
Prost´s fault in my opinion! You can clearly see that his trajectory into that corner was worng... He would totally cut through that tight corner!
Fabrax20 1 month ago
It would be great to split screen with Prost two different laps to prove the point. Before this race I was Prost fan but his action was of a thief.
mycalest 1 month ago
i would say prost because if you listen carefully you hear he locks up and slides sideways into senna
A5h13yK 1 month ago
Prost's fault. He had the choice to either let Senna through and not crash, or crash and not let Senna through. He chose the latter, they crashed.
niffenator 1 month ago
It's like Schumacher and Villeneuve on Jerez 1997. The only difference is the directors desicions
Xylber 1 month ago
Racing incident...clearly...we all know what kind of moves Senna did so racing incident...if other drivers do this move it is clearly a fault
neuer31 1 month ago 2
senna wouldn't have made the corner without jumping over the curb and cut the corner anyway
Hmkls 1 month ago
@Hmkls Not true. He pulled the exact same move on Nannini (from about the same distance) a few laps later although Nannini had a slight lock-up just before turn in. That's how confident he was. Even after the collision with Prost he knew he could pull it off and proved it to everyone.
xcruzrr6 3 weeks ago
I'm a huge Senna fan but I'd call this racing incident. I don't think Prost did it on purpose. The incident on itself is not lame. The lame part came after that with Prost's appeal against Senna :)
fpupesh 1 month ago
Yes.
Ixdriftz 1 month ago
Senna was clearly to far from prost, but this is race...
schumihugo 1 month ago
I don't think it's a question of whether or not it was Prost's fault. I think it's more of a question of whether or not he did it on purpose.
xcruzrr6 1 month ago
From the view of the helicopter you can see that Prost turned in way to early, knowing what is going to happen. Prost would have gone over grass...
dinterful 1 month ago
if he didnt hit senna he would have been going flying over the curbstones
Frietpan 1 month ago
Senna's fault, simple as that
JackRover 1 month ago
@JackRover prost knew senna was there. look at where his wheel was 0:23. pointing to cut the corner by about a metre.
ittzzijamieee 1 month ago
@JackRover wath an asshole you are
If you cant see that senna was trying to get forward of Prost and get that corner himself, you ara blind!!!
SuperMessifan4ever 1 month ago
prost turned very soon
christophertoth96 1 month ago
I have to say that Prost DIDN'T turn in THAT early simply for that fact that he knew that he was going to make contact with his car anyway, if he was a proper racecar driver, he would have seen him in the mirrors and been able to avoid him. simple as that.
gt40x4 1 month ago
asshole frost !
bicepjai 1 month ago
prost turned in way earlier than he should have. senna took the blame though. in my veiw prost did this because he knew the
FIA would defend him. this was shown throught season
ittzzijamieee 1 month ago
He turned earlier than usual and Ron Dennis thought the same after analyzing the footage
gainusha8g 1 month ago
Prost turned into Senna before they actually got to the turn. Prost would have turned into the grass if you take Senna out of the drive line. Look at aerial videos and you will see. Prost couldn't stand that Senna was going to show him up once again.
Flutter8ye 1 month ago
too much Senna's groupie here ! I'm a fan but here if you know just the basics from motor racing, you should know that Prost just take a line juste little more direct to defend his place and senna hit him while he was stil far behin and on the wrong line took take this curve!
thevaliente7777 1 month ago
At 0:22 and 0:23 you can see that prost is steering more than usual, but apparently it's not anybodys fault.
wejhvabewjty 1 month ago
The FIA was clearly biased with prost...
smoglessbutton4 1 month ago
Prost tried to take him out .... at 21 sec , Senna had the inside lane since prost took the turn to wide * which shows how senna's vision was better on the tarmac " Once prost realized that senna had the inside line he wouldn't allow him to pass so he tried to cut him off from passing which lead to to the cars locking up together ....
groundhabit 1 month ago
uhmm guys why did they help senna bt nt prost?
Milenium412 1 month ago
@Milenium412 cause Prost got out of his car and gave up thinking he won the championship so why bother. It was a big mistake that he acknowledges today although in hindsight it made no difference, but he still could have had a race victory since his car was undamaged while Senna had to replace the wing.
Conquerer13 1 month ago
@Conquerer13
So let's say if both of their cars break down during that time, would they still be in the race or disqualified? What if other drivers overtake them from behind?
Milenium412 1 month ago
@Milenium412 If they both retired from damage after the crash then that would be it. Neither would be disqualified but there were still six laps left so neither would be classified as finishing the race, and 10 other cars actually did. Technically Prost was still 2nd until Nannini passed his parked car but it's a moot point cause he chose to get out and retire despite being in a dangerous position and thus allowed a push start (like Senna, who was only DQ'd for cutting the chicane afterwards).
Conquerer13 1 month ago
@Milenium412 prost got out of the car right away unlike senna .... witht hat said your done once you step out
groundhabit 1 month ago
Prost most certainly turned in on Senna. Prost must of thought Senna could have made that pass stick or he wouldnt have hit him.
dreco 1 month ago
Pause the video at exactly :23.
Look at the angle Prost was taking into that corner, he would have cut the corner completely if he kept that line.
I'm not saying he purposely took at Senna, but he DEFINITELY wasn't taking that corner normally.
TheWimpyRambo 1 month ago
I love Senna, but it was Sennas fault.There was no way he was going to make that pass and turn into the chicane at that speed and angle. Frost did turn in on Senna but he had no choice,either turn in and make him give position or just give him the world title without a fight.Just being honest everyone.
lovthaigurlz 1 month ago
@lovthaigurlz Look at 21 sec and freeze ... i hope you see that gap .... if you know anything about F1 and driving lines you would know that prost is off of the driving line and in the no grip zone ... prost realized he failed to hold the lead on senna and that he made a mistake by taking that turn too wide ... so when senna had the inside line which is the correct line he prost tried to cut him off ... i don't see how this is senna's fault ...
groundhabit 1 month ago
0:19 Look at''Prost's helmet, he looks up and sees senna coming, so prepare to throw the car into the car of senna! FIA stole senna! FACT
That was Plan A, and failed, Balestre cared for Plan B!! Title to this shameful prost!
KANNOMlw 1 month ago
@KANNOMlw 21 sec explains it all ... the gap that prost gave and the wide turn showed that senna had the inside line ... prost was the cause of the accident
groundhabit 1 month ago
I hate Prost he is a cheating dog
ThePunkSkaters 1 month ago
@MrThreshold2009 I am utterly impartial, you miserable fuckup.
22astonmartin 1 month ago
at 0:23 exactly you can tell that Prost was hitting Senna or going over the grass. Probably hitting Senna for sure.
hamooda47 2 months ago
prost muito fdp!
G1ul1ann0 2 months ago
Senna 4xWDC
imtheduke 2 months ago
@imtheduke 3 WDC. Prost has 4 WDC
thehitchrules 1 month ago
@thehitchrules Thanks for the history lesson. My point is Senna was the rightful winner of the '89 championship.
imtheduke 1 month ago
@imtheduke Well, make the point then. !!!
thehitchrules 1 month ago
@thehitchrules fuck off
imtheduke 1 month ago
@imtheduke Right back at you .
thehitchrules 1 month ago
@imtheduke Even he had won this race, he would have lost the championship. People tend to forget that, but anyway, thanks for your misunderstanding of the points system.
MrTiberius1000 1 month ago
Good footage spoiled by snow.
Lasher500 2 months ago
The sheer effort for Senna to be hit then to carry on and win the race with only a few laps to go
PSNSmallyPSN 2 months ago
That wimp turned early on purpose & cheated the greatest driver ever out of another championship, as he would do again by cowardishly blocking him from Williams in '93 ...PROST SUCKS
22astonmartin 2 months ago
@22astonmartin Well you're impartial, eh? Sad fuck.
MrThreshold2009 2 months ago
Prost didn`t respect the racing line
torosytoros 2 months ago
Absolutely Prost misstake 1:00 turned more later than when the accident happend 0:23. It was unfair.(FIA) Schumacher was disqualified from the championship of 97 because he did a big misstake.(I dont understand why) But it wasnt a misstake from Prost. Its more than a misstake. Senna did illegal things. But Prost wanted to take out him. And if he hadn't countinued the race he would lost his chance. So the fair decision from the FIA: Senna disqulaify from the race and Prost from the championship
christophertoth96 2 months ago
Pause at 0:23 and observe how early Prost is turning in: at that rate he'd be all four wheels on the grass! His fault, undoubtedly.
xxJSGC123xx 2 months ago 2
this accident is absolutely Prost's fault. he turned to early!
aerrhh 2 months ago
stupid rule for cutting chicane...:) hahaha these days...:) senna 4 titles, prost 3... :D but....:)
vprmn 2 months ago
Prost is an Asshole
harryspen 2 months ago
Senna was robbed. He had the gap, he took it, Prost closed it too late.
cecerchio 2 months ago
Prost was a coward and a cheat
senna4everCN72 2 months ago
Pause the video around the :23 second mark, you'll see Prost turn in way to early, and if senna hadn't been on the inside, he'd have cut the corner, Prost doesn't cut corners, In my eyes it was a deliberate move to cut Senna up, and the political side was always biased towards Prost, due to him being French, hence why Senna was disqualified.
lgliam 2 months ago
@garyhendel 100% prost. He did for win the champ... Senna won the race but was squalified for cut the chicane... He gained secobds frim cutting it?
RedhotITA27 2 months ago
Prost turned in early, not to cause a crash but to close the door on Senna because he didn’t realize they were even. He didn’t think Senna would play 10% racing, 90% positioning by coming in on a terrible approach at absolute maximum speed. If everyone raced like that, open-wheel racing would not be possible. So I give Senna 90% of the blame for over-aggression, and Prost 10% for not anticipating his stupidity.
garyhendel 2 months ago
These imagines don't help. Prost was in advance of Senna, and in F1 rules who's in advance has the right to decide the trajectory...
Anyway, Alain Prost never lost to Senna when they had the same car: in 1989 Prost won Championship; in 1988 Senna won, but Prost made more points than Senna who title won only by the strange rule of discards.
glizingaridelbosco 2 months ago
did he want to park his car in the grass?
Senna won the '89 championship to me
DBOwnz 2 months ago
prost ran straight to race control to moan and bitch after senna rejoined and won the race amazing driving to do it , only to have it taken away by the biggest bunch of conmen going . watch the senna film its an eyeopener to the political bullshit in the sport durning senna times .
jman254 2 months ago
@jman254 He did that because he was about to lose the wdc as pushstarts aren't allowed
jkamwal2 2 months ago
@jkamwal2 the actual reason senna was dq from the race was for cutting the chicane when he rejoined not for getting a push start , prost knew he had fia on his side
jman254 2 months ago
@jman254 Yes i know but even though it is wrong to be DQ for cutting a chicane he still should have got one for a pushstart
jkamwal2 2 months ago
Had Prost conceded the turn to Senna by going a bit wide on the entry to the chicane (assuming he knew "exactly" where Senna was),Prost would have been on the left (inside) of the left hand exit from the chicane. He then would be in a position to "force" Senna onto the right hand side of the exit (grass).Enter alternate debate reality option here.Unless of course Prost simply decided to concede the whole race to Senna, which of course is NOT automobile racing (But what Senna would have liked).
THEORIGINALEXSCAPER 2 months ago
Prost that day tried to RALLY his mclaren on the chicanes grass when he saw ayrton. coward...
Ayrton4everrr 2 months ago
Senna didn't took out Prost, But his manoeuvre was reckless. Aryton always put himself and his rivals on these ''let me pass or crash'' situations. Not good sportsmanship from Senna, if he ever had some. But don't get me wrong, he his still the best F1 driver of all times
Barnakos 2 months ago
im sorry but prost looks twice in his wing mirror before turning in, prost knew he was there and turned in so he could take senna out and win the championship!
mattyrable 2 months ago
the sound of those engines is beautiful
AindriuBannister 2 months ago
You can't really see from the onboard but you can see from other footages that Senna was more than half way up Prost's side before Prost turned in. It was DEFINITELY Senna's corner. Based on basic drivers etiquette which is generally accepted in all professional motor racing including karting, Prost should've yielded to Senna. It is actually a 'racing incident' but one that which Prost is at fault for causing. Balestre stupidly blamed Senna and gave him a 6 month suspension for 'unsafe driving'.
azrair 2 months ago
this is a silly question...but if you havent seen it, if Senna hadnt been there when Prost turned in, 2 tyres would have been on the grass on entry to the chicane. Not a normal apex I'll say
1greenMitsi 2 months ago
Yes, I believe Prost intentionally turned in on Senna.
In fact, I think Prost braked extra early for the chicane to goad Senna into making that move to bring him alongside. I'm basing that on my observation Senna did not look any closer to Prost exiting the 130R than he had on the previous lap.
altroval 2 months ago
Boy do u lot just completely miss the point of not only this crash but sennas on prost aswell
johnnyy1900 2 months ago
he did it for purpose, before starting the corner, he look inside the mirror and he turns to left. If Senna wasn't there, Prost would have cutted the corner going on the grass, and obviously it's difficult to do such a mistake
Sammy95kor 2 months ago
@Sammy95kor i love senna, but he did this shit all the time, if he had have taken the spot Alain would have almost had to come to a complete stop in the corner to avoid him, Alain was not standing for it and good on him, people normaly just gave up the position and that was that, but good to see everyone didnt take this sort of crap from senna.
maulzor 2 months ago
@maulzor To be honest, while I think Prost DID turn in on Senna...I'm not 100% sure Senna was going to have made it through the chicane even if he succeeded passing Prost because he was carrying an awful lot of speed there when the collision occurred.
altroval 2 months ago
continued....is the fact that the father, who had seen many lives perish in his profession, drove at the speed of a Senna, with the care of others safety first. In the end regardless of who you admired more, you the spectator was treated to a duel between to knights every weekend (rare in any sport), and on Ayrton's day, in his car, he said to Prost on National TV "I miss you", moments later he was gone and who was one of his palbearers ? ! You must know all of Prost's career to comment on him
5151DC 3 months ago
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Senna won the race in 1989, what about Prost in 89 or 90?
fadafazenda 3 months ago
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fadafazenda 3 months ago
prost did know if him and ayrton did not fineshd the race he would be the champ, thats the reason he forced the divebomb gap to disappear, senna sould know that, he took the risk and won the race at all.
i like to say, ayrton and alan intentions in 1989 and 1990 were the same with diferent speeds. ayrton once again made sure he deserve it, against again prost and jmb.
felipesilveiraimperi 3 months ago
for me a racing accident thats all ayrton took a risk by diving from so far to the chicane and alain just closed the gate early on shit happens!
but i would still give senna the championship he did nothing wrong
ReBeLhIpI 3 months ago
Senna driving like a loony as usual. It's what killed him after all !! Dead cheat.
ysgol3 3 months ago
@ysgol3 your mother's a dead cheat bitch
xcruzrr6 3 months ago
@xcruzrr6 Yes but at least I don't fuck her like you do yours.
ysgol3 3 months ago
@ysgol3 I'll do it for you, bitch
arslan25 2 months ago
stop the vid at 1:02 and watch the position of the front wheel in relation with the kerb. Then stop it again at 1:16 watch again the position of the front wheel in relation with the kerb and compare it with the previous one. It is more than obvious that Prost turns into Senna's car
chouzouris 3 months ago
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chouzouris 3 months ago
Schumacher has nothing to do with this but everyone knows Schumacher is the biggest cheat in the history of F1 , he took Damon Hill out in Adelaide 1994 and also tried to take Villeneuve out in 1997,and ofcourse their was 1994 when he had an illegal car using banned electronics!
23deniro23 3 months ago
@23deniro23 Except, of course, there was no proof at all that Benetton were using the electronic aids. You're just a sad, bitter little man. Grow up.
MrThreshold2009 3 months ago
They were on the car. They couldn't prove they were activated at any point. Maybe they used, maybe not. At the end of the day though, if it was banned, it shouldn't be there. Period! What was it there for? In case they allowed it again? That has sneaky cheating written all over it. The team was run by Briatore......nuff said. Deny all you want. If there wasn't so much controversy that year they would have been penalized heavily for it.
xcruzrr6 3 months ago
@xcruzrr6 The FIA ran an investigation and nothing came of it. Note that Schumacher was penalised and banned from number of races for a incidents which didn't deserve penalties (Silverstone, Spa etc), so any notion of favouritism is simple fanboy ranting and deserves to be ignored. As for "cheating"; you don't think the F1 teams are all pushing everything to the limit? They all bend the rules as far as possible.
As for cheating, Senna rammed Prost off in '90 for the title. 'nuff said.
MrThreshold2009 3 months ago
@MrThreshold2009 Prost took him out in '89. It was just wasn't as blatant. Deny if you want. I dont care.
As for the rest of your pointless comment, I never said a damn thing about favoritism so your "fanboy" claim is baseless. As for his penalties, ignoring a black flag doesn't deserve a penalty? An overly worn skidblock doesn't deserve a penalty? and you got the nerve to cal ME a fanboy? Cheatiing or simply an error in judgement? I don't care. Break a rule=penalty. Nothing new.
xcruzrr6 3 months ago
@xcruzrr6 I wasn't denying anything; indeed, I didn't even mention Prost in the last post. You've just made this wild assumption yourself and, as a consequence, furthered your fanboyish image in my eyes. You don't seem to think about what you write before going off on one.
And I happen to think it's obvious Prost did ram Senna out, but there is a slight difference between doing it the way he did and careering each other off the road at 150mph like Senna did.
MrThreshold2009 3 months ago
@MrThreshold2009 "The FIA ran an investigation and nothing came of it. Note that Schumacher was penalised and banned from number of races for a incidents which didn't deserve penalties (Silverstone, Spa etc), so any notion of favouritism is simple fanboy ranting and deserves to be ignored. As for "cheating"; you don't think the F1 teams are all pushing everything to the limit? They all bend the rules as far as possible.
As for cheating, Senna rammed Prost off in '90 for the title. 'nuff said."
xcruzrr6 3 months ago
@xcruzrr6 i'm done
xcruzrr6 3 months ago
@xcruzrr6 Thanks for copying that out verbatim.
MrThreshold2009 3 months ago
@MrThreshold2009 thanks for pointing out the obvious
xcruzrr6 2 months ago
@xcruzrr6 That's perfectly alright, dear, I know people like you require it.
MrThreshold2009 2 months ago
@MrThreshold2009 The Stone Roses tell me you're a bitch
arslan25 2 months ago
@arslan25 Stick with your "beats", mate.
MrThreshold2009 2 months ago
@MrThreshold2009 hahaha top joke, top bloke, lets ave a pint. fuckin cunt
arslan25 2 months ago
@arslan25 Alright. Temple Bar, Manchester. After the first pint we hit the Pernod.
MrThreshold2009 2 months ago
@MrThreshold2009 Alright. After that Hilton Hotel, Manchester. I'll bring the scented candles.
(dont come if you're a bald fat man)
arslan25 2 months ago
@MrThreshold2009 Look man. You made it clear you're a hypocrite and you can't proof read your own shit. You denied something you wrote so I repost it for you and you say "thanks for copying verbatim". Yea, so YOU can see what you wrote. Banned items were found in the ECU. You try and justify it by saying teams cheat. Yea, they do bend the rules but this was BANNED. It demanded a penalty. I try to be fair and you're trying to belittle me? I'm not your "dear" faggot. Go somewhere.
xcruzrr6 2 months ago
@xcruzrr6 You're clearly a dunce. I'm not bothering writing out it out for you all again so you can just miss the whole point. Go away and play with your toys, kid.
MrThreshold2009 2 months ago
@MrThreshold2009 You never had a point. Go fuck yourself
xcruzrr6 1 month ago
@xcruzrr6 Get bent, dildo face.
MrThreshold2009 1 month ago
@MrThreshold2009 and he wasnt proud of it but it had to be done. It was Senna VS Prost & Senna VS the FIA
1greenMitsi 2 months ago
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schroeder1112 3 months ago
@23deniro23 - Noob!
jigglediggle29 3 months ago
@23deniro23 Okay so name a driver who doesn't crash. Senna in 90 and even here Senna is a main fault. How often do you see overtakes in a chicane?
jkamwal2 2 months ago
they both took each other out.
cocorocks88 3 months ago
Prost was on the racing line and Senna tried to pass on the inside under breaking. judging by the in car cam Prost did not see Senna on the inside and it was an unintentional accident.
goose8041 3 months ago
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goose8041 3 months ago
Ayrton was disqualified. It s not fair. It was a simple accident or Prost made mistake. It wasnt Senna. Fuck you FIA!
christophertoth96 3 months ago
prost blatently did it on purpose hes a french cunt whos a bad loser and cant take that senna was a better driver than him
karter2225 3 months ago
@karter2225 Unfortunately you are very wrong. Senna broke the rules by taking the escape road. Prost didn´t think for a second that Senna would be that stupid, that´s why he didn´t count on that when he took the corner
Nordligast 3 months ago
@Nordligast
if u hav watched the senna film it shows footage of two other cars using the escape road and they didnt get penalised the FIA were wrong
karter2225 3 months ago
@karter2225 Yea but Senna got an illegal pushstart
jkamwal2 2 months ago
very hamilton-esque from prost, he had nowhere to go, if ayrton wasnt there he'd have gone off track...exactly the same as hamilton-massa in india if massa wasnt there hamilton wouldnt have made the corner.....GET HAMILTON OUT OF THE MCLAREN!!!
TheMikeakers 3 months ago
kind a hamilton-maldonado moment in monaco
vicxon100 3 months ago
What did Senna do the next year?, Prost was not fair in this but Senna, in 1990, was a fucking bastard.
BeckMax 3 months ago
we can all argue till were blue in the face. prost could've given him room, senna didn't have the proper racing line but prost did. what we should argue is as to why the fia took the win and eventually the title away from senna after he went back to the pits down laps for a new front wing. in the rule book he did not cut the chicane to gain position, he cut through cause it was the safer way of getting back on the track. did the fia want the guys to roll him backwards onto potential traffic?
nysdgiants 3 months ago
No. He did not.
LeoVenturaTeixeira 3 months ago
massa got a penalty at india this year doing the exact same thing SO PROST UR AN ASSHOLE
RacerzGTR 3 months ago
In an answer to the video's question. YES! Prost did take out Senna.
TNO73 3 months ago
great race make fans argue forever.....prost have tire problem and getting slow. and senna too fast cant slow down. thats the truth....they both fxk up so no1 win. fair the race and face the truth u people.
900pro 3 months ago
50-50. Yes, Prost closed the door but Senna was coming from way behind, if the drivers infront just let's you pass like that he's not longer a real racing driver.
ImFasterThanTheStig 3 months ago