Bob Stanley fucking LOSER, Buckner is a border line HOF'er, should be in the HOF. Stanley never did shit. Throwing his teammate under the bus. What a pussy, and an asswipe. The game was already TIED because of his wild pitch.
This video shows you how irrational some, most, fans are. The game was 3-0 with one out and nobody out. This play did not mean SHIT! It's not like it was 3-2 with the bases loaded, and two out, and on the next pitch the dude smacked a grand slam.
Blame Alex Gonzalez, blame Kyle Farnsworth, but to blame a fan? LOL! Biggest bucn of shit I've ever seen in my life. Bunch of pussies too. I wonder if Bartman was 6'6 265 if anyne would said, or thrown shit at him.
If ever I needed another reason to hope the Cubs never win another World Series, this would be it. Cubs fans are pathetic for the way they treated Bartman. He did what any one of you douchebags would have done in his place. You see a ball coming your way, you don't stop to think "Oh maybe the outfielder has a chance to make the play." You just try to catch the ball yourself. They showed this special on ESPN again last night and it refueled my anger toward Cubs fans. Bartman did not deserve this.
@JSRFandNarutoGangsta He's the main reason they lost that game. If he turns that double play. Bartman is not a name, and The Cubs probably play The Ynkees in The World Series.
Nobody blames Farnsworth either. Farnsworth gives up the 3 run double to fucking Mike Mordecai LOL! All he's gotta do is get that out and it's 4-3, not a big deal.
Also, Baker left Prior in too long. After Pierre singled, Baker should've taken Prior out. Especially after the error. Many mistakes by The Cubs
Every Cubs fan that was there should be feeling 100% Guilt everyday of their lives for how they acted. There is no excuse for treating a person that way to where his life has been changed forever. Moises Alou had a hand in that as well and its his fault thanks to his outburst and focusing in on Bartman.
The Red Sox pitcher is more to blame for the loss in 1986, not Buckner. I can't believe Schiraldi sat in the locker room and blamed the whole loss on Buckner! E.R.A in the world series: 13.50
how F****NG DARE they compare boston's tragedy to the cubs debacle! The cubs could have gotten the next out and then another out and held on in the 9th to win! The red sox, if buckner comes up with that ball and runs to first, the runner is out by 30 feet and all over!!
Bob Stanley is a douche, notice how quick he was to deflect the blame, keep the heat off him, even though he (and schiraldi) had as much to do with the loss. Way to pass the buck(ner) there Stanley.
Watching this after my 49ers lost the NFC Championship Game, in large part because of Kyle Williams' two fumbles...watched it in a sports bar with friends...
Just like Wrigley here, it was as friendly an environment as could be...I was relaxed...
Just like Wrigley here, it was FULL of angry shouts... including mine...after he fumbled...
But NO ONE SHOULD SEND THESE GUYS DEATH THREATS.
Buckner, Bartman, Williams...you can be frustrated, but don't lose sight of the fact, THEY'RE ONLY HUMAN. :/
@obiwanobiwan13 Some sports fans who felt more of these guys, would get emotional. I would cry for them, honestly. It's despicable of how those death threats by other fans geared towards the "scapegoats" that lost the game for the team.
Looking back, I think if Alou didn't explode the way he did, things might've turned out differently
If Alou had simply shrugged it off like it was nothing and went back to playing ball, the atmosphere wouldn't have been disturbed and people wouldn't have had the feeling of dread that things were going to collapse and have a self fulfilling prophecy
So all this came from the Alou rant which when things went downhill in the game, the media and other Cub fans focused on Bartman as the scapegoat
Buckner, hold your head up. Damn with all of those fanatics. What about Stanley's wild pitch? What about all of the meat that was thrown out there prior to that. You fanatics need to get a life and quit living through others. Yes, I love sports, and I do get pissed off at times, but in the end....it's just a game. No matter how much money it generates. These people have lives. Oh yeah, Bartman, keep hope alive.
@chesjack "I love sports, and I do get pissed off at times, but in the end....it's just a game. No matter how much money it generates.".....very true indeed and I agree.
I watched this the other day and it just goes to show that the cubs and their fans will never win a world series until they learn how to except responsibility for their own meltdowns and not pin them on irrational things.
Bob Stanley is a cocksucker and a piece of shit for deflecting the blame. What an asshole! If I was Buckner, I woulda punched the fucker after what he said to the reporters. Once it was tied, there's a good chance they woulda lost anyways even if Buckner makes the play due to the massive momentum shift.
@snag66 Right you are. The Red Sox lost game 6 the moment the Mets tied it on that wild pitch. Momentum had shifted and the outcome was sealed. The Buckner play was almost irrelevant at that point.
Thanks for putting the whole thing up. When it first aired, I was only able to see the last 20 minutes or so because I was busy with other commitments, but I wanted to see it in its entirety. Any way you could post other 30 for 30 videos in the near future (namely, "June 17, 1994" and "Fab Five")? Thanks.
Card will be better without him, noone deserves a 10 year contract at 31, the Angels will never win a world series with him. Because they have no firepower around him so he will just be repeatedly walked.
i was at that game and would have been 7 years old. i didn't actually see bartman go for the ball because everyone stood up to see it but i remember everything else perfectly. people were shouting words that i didn't even know at the time haha. beer and food was flying even where i was sitting (third base line). people left their seats to go beat the shit out of bartman haha. i was a scary but fun experience and i will always remember it.
See here's my take on this. It wasn't Bartman' fault. He was going for the ball like any other fan would. The person I feel bad for is the camera guy on FOX Sports who filmed Bartman during that play. I understand how all the Cubs fans blamed it all on Bartman for the loss of the series, but I don't think it was why they lost. The Cubs team was frustrated and they couldn't get anything under control and the Marlins captalized on that. Just imagine if Bartman didn't go for the ball.
This was the most exciting game iv ever watched on tv, it was even more exciting then the Marlins beating the Yankees in the WS, just something about this game that was so Wierd, Paranormal, and exciting, for Marlin Fans anyway....
its important to ask bartman for forgiveness, buts its more important to look within on why we got there and how society can break down through pure emotion, leaving reason.
its more important to look at our social response that pure emotion took over, and that its more important that how we act in situatuions dont control us by emotion. we cant be led by what we feel and not use reason to help us. people dont look at this when they see this night. they ask bartman for forgiveness or even arrogantly give bartman forgiveness.. its not the point, he is the effect of the cause of human emotion, he is the barrer of the human breakdown.people focus on bartman too much.
i think people focus on bartman in this situatuion too much, yes he affected the game weather that was positive or negative isnt the point. Yes the people of that night were in the wrong by the things they said and did to steve as he was at that game. but i think the most important thing people neglect to talk about when they review this night is our social state. how in the world did society break down this bad? no one wants to look at how we got to this point and how we can stay from goin back
@morgasmMLG What is really sad is that Chicagoans acted like it was a team of destiny...the Cubs were the 4TH best team in the National League that year, winning only 88 GAMES! Marlins won 91 games, but finished 2nd to the Braves in the NL East...Marlins were a VERY good team and no supposed interference can change that...Chicago, I would say grow up, but you have been like this for the last 20+ years...
@duckman531 - The author of the film, Alex Gibney, grew up in Boston and clarified in the beginning of the documentary of his "round about" method in conveying the story.
Bartman should be thrilled he didn't do this in Philly, New York, or Boston. They might have actually beat him to death. It amazes me how 9 innings and only one moment in the game can be blamed for a collapse.
I wish I was at that game. I mean that was a crazy moment in cubs history. I hate the cub fans. We know that I would and everyone would of went after that ball. I don't care if a Hall of Famer was coming towards the sideline. I'm gonna catch that ball
notice the Bose noiseless headphones on the presenter 2:49 they are EXCELLENT..great doco by the way..one thing that bugs me if what about the pitching? sure the fan was a dodo..but what about the pitchers & batters who had a chance to make outs and score runs? nobody talks about that...
I'm a Braves fan but I grew up on the Cubs because they were always the daytime game on after I got out of school. I want to see the Cubs win a World Series, hell just win the NL would be awesome but they can't blame this guy for collapsing in Game 6 and playing like crap in Game 7.
Half the people shouting "asshole" would've done the same thing if they were sitting where Bartman was sitting. This is why I think professional sports exists only so losers can for a couple of hours pretend that they are winners.
@merrimac291 Winners & losers... what in thee hell are talking about? Generalizing thousands of people,all walks of life represented ? I'm guessin your a "winner" in your own mind . The losers were the Cubs for EPIC collapse period !
i remenber watching this game when i was 12 years old and i was so mad at that guy that i started crying and cursing at the tv. now i look back and i see this fans acted just like me...like a child!!!!
Who i really feel sorry for here is are the Cubs and their fans because is this how desperate theyve beome that they would blame steve for starting an EIGHT RUN RALLY?! wow.
Its amazing how the media has do much control over put the spotlight on one single event that supposedly caused a particular collapse when that moment in time builds up from within. Team sports lose games as a team even if it is true in some nature cause of one ball players misplay.
8 years ago today Steve Bartman was like any normal young baseball player/fan who woke up and said "im gonna go to the NLCS game in Wrigley and watch my cubs go to the world series. He had a foul ball coming his way and just like what any other human being would do, he went for it and his life changed.
If ur gonna say u wouldnt have gone for that ball ask urself this, "its the NLCS and my favorite team is about to go to the world series. Why shouldnt i catch it?"
Bartman had every right to try and catch that ball, I think Moises blew it completely out of proportion, and besides Bartman was no where near game 7, what happen there CUBS fans?
@mistamadscientist Why not blame the idiots who run this organization or the fans who pack Wrigley every afternoon even when the team is awful, giving the owners and GM no reason to improve??? Thom Brennaman was right, the Cubs and their fans blame everyone and everything (curses) but themselves for the yearly failure of this team.
@WillMatic40 thats a great point! those fans should threaten to boycott games in the future if the team doesnt start winning. thats what I would do. its almost like theyve accepted losing.
Blaming the failure of a team/franchise on one guy trying to catch a foul ball is absolutely ridiculous. The Cubs choked, not Bartman. You should be embarassed of yourself if you ever blamed Bartman for the Cubs' failure.
If Steve Bartman was Julius Peppers (Chicago Bears defensive end)...and the rest of the Bears defensive line went to watch the game with him (as did Bartman's friends), this would've never been a story. Every single wuss who picked on Bartman and threw something at him wouldn't have said crap! Bunch of losers!
@Smuug this is the dumbest comment ever. If the whole Bears Bears D-line would have went to watch the game with Bartman no one would have picked on him?. Yea and if Julius Peppers played first base for the Red Sox instead of Buckner in '86 no one would have picked on him either. And maybe if Mike Ditka were the coach for the Red Sox in '86 instead of the Bears they would have won! And hey maybe if Walter Payton was playing left field instead of Alou he would have caught the ball!!
@maintain1750 u missed my point. The only reason this was a huge story was because Bartman was a scrawny little guy that the fans could pick on. If Bartman was 6'8", about 280 (almost the size of Peppers) and his friends were the same, you would've never heard of this story after the next day.
@Smuug I didnt miss anything Smuug I thought it was just a dumb comment and it humored me so I replied back with a dumb comment. And now you follow back with if Brtman was 6'8" and "about" 280 we would have never heard about this. NEWSFLASH BUDDY..you clearly arent a Cubs fan. Doesnt matter what his size was. We have suffered over a century of futility. This still would have been all over the news cause it brings back curse talk and thats great for the media/news. 6'8" 280..knock it off lolol
Give Steve Bartman a break! Its not his fault the Cubs suck so much cock they havent even won a pennant since 1945. Fuck the Cubs! I hope they never win a World series ever again and fuck their fans for supporting such a sad, pathetic, piece of shit team!!
@gutterrat101 Redsox blame their curse on a bad trade that really back fired. Philadelphia had the curse of William Penn a monument. Cubs fans blame a goat. What a load of crap.
@SCARLEMSCARS You are a moron. The Cubs destroyed their season by choking hard themselves. That has nothing to do with one poor guy trying to catch a foul ball, not to mention Alou wouldn't have caught the ball to begin with.
When the Cubs win the world series everyone will get off Steve Bartman and he will become the most popular man in Chicago plus he'll throw out the first pitch the next season
There were mobile phones back in the '80s. Back in the '80s yuppies like stock brokers and lawyers had them. They were pretty bulky, expensive, charge didn't last long, and not everybody and their grandmothers had cell phones back then like we do now.
One has to wonder what would have happened if the foul ball had gone way into the stands and Alou had had no chance to catch it. It would just have been another foul ball, no one would've cared, they are still up 3-0 with just 5 more outs needed.
Did not getting that foul ball cost the Cubs a run or a hit or even the chance to get the guy the plate out on the very next pitch? No
The Cubs let it get to them, they were frustrated and as a result they lost focus on the game.
So the Cubs let it get to them, but it did not cost the Cubs a run or a hit, or made an error because of it? You contradict yourself. You don't know what you talkin about
@janiwan27 You misunderstand. My point was, it didn't not literally cost them anything, so why did they get so worked up about it? Maybe if they hadn't gotten so annoyed about a foul ball, they might not have given up 8 runs.
Any fan in the same situation as him would've done the same thing.
Your team is on the verge of the NL pennant for the first time in your lifetime and now a foul ball is coming your way! You have the chance to get a souvenir from this potentially historic game!
I live two hours outside of chicago and i hate fucking cubs fans.Im glad it happen.I hope they never fucking win a world series.They sold out sammy sosa after riding him for YEARS.And then they scapegoated batmen to cover up the fact that theyve been godman choke artist for the list 60 years.If i was bartmen i would have become a sox fan and i would throw out the first pitch every time the cubs play the soxs at comisky.
All you northsiders quit crying. Just cuz you've gone 100 years without a World Series, you take out your frustration on one guy? Typical of Cub fan yuppies. Hopefully karma gives you all 100 more years of sucking ass. And Moises Alou isn't good enough to even catch that ball so I don't know what he was thinking. Go Cards! we'll always have ur number cub douches.
Hey Chicago, yer a bunch of cunts. You got to watch the GREATEST basketball player of ALL TIME for over a DECADE. SIX NBA CHAMPIONSHIPS. SO MANY YEARS OF SUCCESS.
Maybe not all bulls fans are cubs fans. But I PROMISE there are plenty of cross overs. People from Chitown are like that, I know because my mother was born and raised there, and Ive spent a good deal of time in the city. You fucks crucified one that was NOT one of your own. Why isnt he one of you? Because he LOVED his team
@AppleCrisp233 yea he was lucky to escape with his life but it wasnt his fault they lost. no1 shud be killed over a baseball game. if u were at the game u wud hav done the same thing n stuck ur hand out
Marvellous series this 30 for 30. Have seen all of the TV episodes and The Senna movie. Thank you for the upload as well. Subscribed in the hope of new uploads when the next episode premiers. :)
As a Cubs fan, I've never blamed it on bartman. It was Alex Gonzalez, he's the one who botched what would have been an inning ending double play ball. Instead it was bases loaded and one out, and the Marlins poured it on.
Why this guy hasn't been crowned by the media as the new Bill Buckner, I have no idea.
Bartman is remarkable in how he has not cashed in on this financially or for fame. ... I don't know why Gibney has to insert himself in this doc. Very egotistical
i hate how ppl tlk shit abt this guy. if you were there at that game you would hav done the same thing. look at the ppl around him they tried to catch the ball too. so get off his dick
Cubs fan could blame him all they want but when you look at it, the Cubs themselves blew the game. Also there were more people going after the ball than him.
cubs fan...... blaming something else as usual... it's awesome that a fan gets more blame than the actual players, you know, the players are the ones who play the game?
People need to think how they act in a crowd. Today people were calling a d-back fan a-hole for catching Prince's homerun, but I yelled at everyone to shut up & talked to the guy, who was just as normal as you or me. Pisses me off how angry people can get about such stupid stuff. If I didnt even know steve and i was at the game, i would have fought every ahole fan that threw beer and threatened him.
Excuse me, but did Steve Bartman fumble that double play ball? Was Bartman any of those 3 pitchers that choked up 8 runs in the 8th inning? Exactly. Now dont get me wrong, I seriously do hope that the Cubs do win a world series sooner rather than later. BUT GET OFF BARTMAN ALREADY!! Just remember, if your reading this, and your a cubs fan, and were sitting in Bartmans seat, YOU WOULDVE DONE THE EXACT SAME THING!!
@mistamadscientist Excuse you. One of the White Sox final outs to win the World Series was a foul ball deep in the stands at Houston. No Houston fan interfered with Uribe. All Cubs fans are just simply STUPID LOSERS!
@mistamadscientist lemme add another a couple more, he also didnt blow a 3-1 series lead and there was Game 7 but fans signaled the end before it even started.
@mistamadscientist The typical cub fan does not know these basic fundamentals of the game, so they will use bartman as an easy scapegoat. Also you forgot that Dusty Baker didnt get off his fat butt while a 23 year old pitcher was a little rattled in the biggest game of his life. Plus, Bartman is a secret agent sent by the south side disguised a typical cubbie fan in glasses, classic cub hat, headphones and turtle neck to throw the game knowing that the cubs would collapse with his "help". lol jk
@gotthepanzershreck Hmmm, thats actually a good point. I remember watching that game 8 years ago wondering "ok, Baker, you can go to the bullpen already!" lol. Also I forgot to mention that Bartman didnt choke away the 5-3 lead they had in game 7 either.
@mistamadscientist OH MY GOSH! THANK YOU! My family says this all the time! People just want to play the blame game when something doesn't go their way.
@mistamadscientist I agree that it shouldn't be all on Bartman, but he does desrve some of the blame. The most of the blame should go on Dusty for not paying attention to the play, becuase he could've challenged Mike Everitt's call & had it reversed to fan interference. Also, you gotta remember that in baseball, more than other sports, momentum plays a huge factor in every game. Had that play been called an out, there wouldn't have been as much pressure on Gonzalez to get the 3rd out.
@bhawksaddict LOL, you never have been able to "challenge a play" in baseball. Right now the only thing that can be reviewed, is a home run. In which the umpires make the decision, whether to review it or not. It's not like football... Also, it was not fan interference. Alou reached into the stands, to get the ball. A fan is allowed to touch the ball at that point. He just can't reach onto the field of play, when the ball is in still in play.
And also, most fans probably would go for it, had this not happened, but I think a lot of people learned from this & are probably more cautious when they see a fly ball fly in their direction if they're sitting in the front row.
@mistamadscientist That's not true at all. Myself, along with many people I know have been in that situation, and actually put out there arms to make sure no one interfered with the outfielder. Anybody who has been around baseball, and knows the game well enough would not have done that. However, I do agree with most everything else you said. Even though, I must say.... if Alou catches that ball, they do win that game.
I'm a sports fan and i'll get frustrated and upset. But never would I do something like cubs fans and some of the media outlets did to Steve Bartman. They should be embarrassed of how they ruined and changed Bartman's life forever. Amazing how Alex Gonzalez doesn't get any blame. I guess to fans it was easier to blame Bartman.
Bob Stanley fucking LOSER, Buckner is a border line HOF'er, should be in the HOF. Stanley never did shit. Throwing his teammate under the bus. What a pussy, and an asswipe. The game was already TIED because of his wild pitch.
GialloHorror 3 days ago
This video shows you how irrational some, most, fans are. The game was 3-0 with one out and nobody out. This play did not mean SHIT! It's not like it was 3-2 with the bases loaded, and two out, and on the next pitch the dude smacked a grand slam.
Blame Alex Gonzalez, blame Kyle Farnsworth, but to blame a fan? LOL! Biggest bucn of shit I've ever seen in my life. Bunch of pussies too. I wonder if Bartman was 6'6 265 if anyne would said, or thrown shit at him.
SIX people reached for that ball
GialloHorror 3 days ago
If ever I needed another reason to hope the Cubs never win another World Series, this would be it. Cubs fans are pathetic for the way they treated Bartman. He did what any one of you douchebags would have done in his place. You see a ball coming your way, you don't stop to think "Oh maybe the outfielder has a chance to make the play." You just try to catch the ball yourself. They showed this special on ESPN again last night and it refueled my anger toward Cubs fans. Bartman did not deserve this.
GreenDay1981 3 days ago
How is that (SS) Alex Gonzalez doesn't get grief for his blunder?
JSRFandNarutoGangsta 4 days ago
@JSRFandNarutoGangsta He's the main reason they lost that game. If he turns that double play. Bartman is not a name, and The Cubs probably play The Ynkees in The World Series.
Nobody blames Farnsworth either. Farnsworth gives up the 3 run double to fucking Mike Mordecai LOL! All he's gotta do is get that out and it's 4-3, not a big deal.
Also, Baker left Prior in too long. After Pierre singled, Baker should've taken Prior out. Especially after the error. Many mistakes by The Cubs
GialloHorror 3 days ago
Every Cubs fan that was there should be feeling 100% Guilt everyday of their lives for how they acted. There is no excuse for treating a person that way to where his life has been changed forever. Moises Alou had a hand in that as well and its his fault thanks to his outburst and focusing in on Bartman.
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BlackScorpio64 1 week ago
The Red Sox pitcher is more to blame for the loss in 1986, not Buckner. I can't believe Schiraldi sat in the locker room and blamed the whole loss on Buckner! E.R.A in the world series: 13.50
Tony10790 1 week ago
how F****NG DARE they compare boston's tragedy to the cubs debacle! The cubs could have gotten the next out and then another out and held on in the 9th to win! The red sox, if buckner comes up with that ball and runs to first, the runner is out by 30 feet and all over!!
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british87 1 week ago
Bob Stanley is a douche, notice how quick he was to deflect the blame, keep the heat off him, even though he (and schiraldi) had as much to do with the loss. Way to pass the buck(ner) there Stanley.
watchutoob1 2 weeks ago
Buckner is a psychic
manchesteru1989 4 weeks ago
Sports fans are manchildren.
Joe402 1 month ago
Watching this after my 49ers lost the NFC Championship Game, in large part because of Kyle Williams' two fumbles...watched it in a sports bar with friends...
Just like Wrigley here, it was as friendly an environment as could be...I was relaxed...
Just like Wrigley here, it was FULL of angry shouts... including mine...after he fumbled...
But NO ONE SHOULD SEND THESE GUYS DEATH THREATS.
Buckner, Bartman, Williams...you can be frustrated, but don't lose sight of the fact, THEY'RE ONLY HUMAN. :/
obiwanobiwan13 1 month ago 8
@obiwanobiwan13 and not only that all those three wasn't responsible for the whole game.
Sephiroth766 3 weeks ago
@obiwanobiwan13 Some sports fans who felt more of these guys, would get emotional. I would cry for them, honestly. It's despicable of how those death threats by other fans geared towards the "scapegoats" that lost the game for the team.
GSanchez200 2 weeks ago
the funny thing is no one remembers all the errors teh cubs committed after that incident. they botched a inning ending double play after that....
SGVknarf 1 month ago
Looking back, I think if Alou didn't explode the way he did, things might've turned out differently
If Alou had simply shrugged it off like it was nothing and went back to playing ball, the atmosphere wouldn't have been disturbed and people wouldn't have had the feeling of dread that things were going to collapse and have a self fulfilling prophecy
So all this came from the Alou rant which when things went downhill in the game, the media and other Cub fans focused on Bartman as the scapegoat
JDubs878 1 month ago
Buckner, hold your head up. Damn with all of those fanatics. What about Stanley's wild pitch? What about all of the meat that was thrown out there prior to that. You fanatics need to get a life and quit living through others. Yes, I love sports, and I do get pissed off at times, but in the end....it's just a game. No matter how much money it generates. These people have lives. Oh yeah, Bartman, keep hope alive.
chesjack 1 month ago 3
@chesjack "I love sports, and I do get pissed off at times, but in the end....it's just a game. No matter how much money it generates.".....very true indeed and I agree.
no40 1 month ago
I watched this the other day and it just goes to show that the cubs and their fans will never win a world series until they learn how to except responsibility for their own meltdowns and not pin them on irrational things.
thehotcrossbunsmusic 2 months ago
so much red sox bullshit.
ashburn247 2 months ago
Bob Stanley is a cocksucker and a piece of shit for deflecting the blame. What an asshole! If I was Buckner, I woulda punched the fucker after what he said to the reporters. Once it was tied, there's a good chance they woulda lost anyways even if Buckner makes the play due to the massive momentum shift.
snag66 2 months ago
@snag66 Right you are. The Red Sox lost game 6 the moment the Mets tied it on that wild pitch. Momentum had shifted and the outcome was sealed. The Buckner play was almost irrelevant at that point.
JanBurton2011 1 month ago
The Cubs suck anyway so it wasn't his fault
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Thanks for putting the whole thing up. When it first aired, I was only able to see the last 20 minutes or so because I was busy with other commitments, but I wanted to see it in its entirety. Any way you could post other 30 for 30 videos in the near future (namely, "June 17, 1994" and "Fab Five")? Thanks.
UnitedBucks09 2 months ago
@UnitedBucks09 Fab five is already up there. but i really want to see june 17th again
dayjob77 1 month ago
Second geatest comeback Ever!
hAHA
2011 Cardinals baby. 11 in 11'
PeeEssThree 2 months ago
@PeeEssThree The Pujols curse, you will never win a WS again. mark my words.
FlashyLifeTV 2 months ago
@FlashyLifeTV Except Pujols left on his own terms.
Ruth was traded away against his will.
Card will be better without him, noone deserves a 10 year contract at 31, the Angels will never win a world series with him. Because they have no firepower around him so he will just be repeatedly walked.
Mark my words.
PeeEssThree 2 months ago
people need someone to blame, it comforts humans
HipHopiz4Real 2 months ago
That Poor guy jeez. Some people are just royal assholes...
cadeorade22 2 months ago
i was at that game and would have been 7 years old. i didn't actually see bartman go for the ball because everyone stood up to see it but i remember everything else perfectly. people were shouting words that i didn't even know at the time haha. beer and food was flying even where i was sitting (third base line). people left their seats to go beat the shit out of bartman haha. i was a scary but fun experience and i will always remember it.
iProDetox 2 months ago
See here's my take on this. It wasn't Bartman' fault. He was going for the ball like any other fan would. The person I feel bad for is the camera guy on FOX Sports who filmed Bartman during that play. I understand how all the Cubs fans blamed it all on Bartman for the loss of the series, but I don't think it was why they lost. The Cubs team was frustrated and they couldn't get anything under control and the Marlins captalized on that. Just imagine if Bartman didn't go for the ball.
thekyleinlodishow 2 months ago
This was the most exciting game iv ever watched on tv, it was even more exciting then the Marlins beating the Yankees in the WS, just something about this game that was so Wierd, Paranormal, and exciting, for Marlin Fans anyway....
tealmarlin 2 months ago
the crowd shouting asshole caused bad tension which made the Cubs fuck up
stocker104 2 months ago
sports are great but fans suck
luxy009 2 months ago
I remember watching this game I was 14 at the time and I felt so bad for Steve Bartman. Really unfortunate situation that he got caught in.
BullzOnParade17 2 months ago
Funny thing is, you claim yourself a world champion but You are the only ones who play it ;)
And don't fuck with me, because I am World Champion in masturbating while covered in jello listening to nelly furtado songs.
Iameverything 3 months ago
sports are the opiate of a declining America. mass immigration is destroying the west.
knightschwartz 3 months ago
its important to ask bartman for forgiveness, buts its more important to look within on why we got there and how society can break down through pure emotion, leaving reason.
iam0ny0utu8e 3 months ago
its more important to look at our social response that pure emotion took over, and that its more important that how we act in situatuions dont control us by emotion. we cant be led by what we feel and not use reason to help us. people dont look at this when they see this night. they ask bartman for forgiveness or even arrogantly give bartman forgiveness.. its not the point, he is the effect of the cause of human emotion, he is the barrer of the human breakdown.people focus on bartman too much.
iam0ny0utu8e 3 months ago
i think people focus on bartman in this situatuion too much, yes he affected the game weather that was positive or negative isnt the point. Yes the people of that night were in the wrong by the things they said and did to steve as he was at that game. but i think the most important thing people neglect to talk about when they review this night is our social state. how in the world did society break down this bad? no one wants to look at how we got to this point and how we can stay from goin back
iam0ny0utu8e 3 months ago
Marlins were boss that year so dont blame him on the cubs last blame the cubs pitching
morgasmMLG 3 months ago
@morgasmMLG What is really sad is that Chicagoans acted like it was a team of destiny...the Cubs were the 4TH best team in the National League that year, winning only 88 GAMES! Marlins won 91 games, but finished 2nd to the Braves in the NL East...Marlins were a VERY good team and no supposed interference can change that...Chicago, I would say grow up, but you have been like this for the last 20+ years...
Tyrunner0097 3 months ago
@Tyrunner0097 are you mentally retarded im agreeing with you dip ass
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oliviabell78 3 months ago
Congratulation to the Florida Marlins for winning the 2003 World Series.
xhemexx 3 months ago
8:21 does anyone know who said that?
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@oogieboogiedoogie1 hahahahahaha
0011vintage 3 months ago
@oogieboogiedoogie1 I think Costas knew who it was, but won't say to protect that player's honor...Just my opinion...
Tyrunner0097 3 months ago
@Tyrunner0097 yeah your right....i just wanted to know who it was
oogieboogiedoogie1 3 months ago
Leave it to ESPN to take a Midwestern event and make it all about Boston!
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@duckman531 - The author of the film, Alex Gibney, grew up in Boston and clarified in the beginning of the documentary of his "round about" method in conveying the story.
RustyRazor2010 3 months ago
Bartman should be thrilled he didn't do this in Philly, New York, or Boston. They might have actually beat him to death. It amazes me how 9 innings and only one moment in the game can be blamed for a collapse.
Salvatore403 3 months ago
i blame gedman, that wasnt that wild of a pitch
disneyfannrkrb 3 months ago
I wish I was at that game. I mean that was a crazy moment in cubs history. I hate the cub fans. We know that I would and everyone would of went after that ball. I don't care if a Hall of Famer was coming towards the sideline. I'm gonna catch that ball
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notice the Bose noiseless headphones on the presenter 2:49 they are EXCELLENT..great doco by the way..one thing that bugs me if what about the pitching? sure the fan was a dodo..but what about the pitchers & batters who had a chance to make outs and score runs? nobody talks about that...
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newellgirl 3 months ago
I'm a Braves fan but I grew up on the Cubs because they were always the daytime game on after I got out of school. I want to see the Cubs win a World Series, hell just win the NL would be awesome but they can't blame this guy for collapsing in Game 6 and playing like crap in Game 7.
bammybound 4 months ago
Can you imagine the craziness/aftermath of the Buckner play if we'd had the internet, Twitter, Facebook, etc. back in 1986???
VirgoGal74 4 months ago
I cant watch this first part on the redsox with out thinking my my dear rangers :(***
TheZoostudio13 4 months ago
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I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING
NineInchLongSchlong 4 months ago
Half the people shouting "asshole" would've done the same thing if they were sitting where Bartman was sitting. This is why I think professional sports exists only so losers can for a couple of hours pretend that they are winners.
merrimac291 4 months ago 27
@merrimac291 ...then why are you watching this?
litojonny 3 months ago
@merrimac291 so everyone who is a sports fan is a loser wanting to win?
forevercuz 2 months ago
@forevercuz A large number of them are. I didn't say all of them.
merrimac291 2 months ago
@merrimac291 Winners & losers... what in thee hell are talking about? Generalizing thousands of people,all walks of life represented ? I'm guessin your a "winner" in your own mind . The losers were the Cubs for EPIC collapse period !
tjfreak 2 months ago
@merrimac291 It was the umps fault not the Steve's fault is should have been a fan interference.
ChaoticDarkShadow 1 month ago
@merrimac291 I completely agree, on the replay you see at least 15 people reach for the ball. And then they flip out on Bartman!
Tony10790 1 week ago
If Farnsworth didn't pitch like shit, we wouldn't be having this conversation
dart1285 4 months ago 3
bahsten fans are fucking idiots
InternetAesHole 4 months ago
i remenber watching this game when i was 12 years old and i was so mad at that guy that i started crying and cursing at the tv. now i look back and i see this fans acted just like me...like a child!!!!
gavidia1991 4 months ago 35
game 6 of 86 shows the evil power of the media. the bosox lost game 6 with game 7 still to go. yet they scapegoated buckner unfairly.
reh629 4 months ago
Who i really feel sorry for here is are the Cubs and their fans because is this how desperate theyve beome that they would blame steve for starting an EIGHT RUN RALLY?! wow.
jrmixtapes 4 months ago
the guy next to him was trying to do the same exact thing. you fags dont know who to blame it on.
arkoe310 4 months ago 2
And guess who Bill Buckner played for from '77 yo '84 before he went to Boston?.....The Cubs are cursed.....
parkman35 4 months ago
@parkman35 And , the game was tied when Buckner made his error. Even if he makes the play it doesn't mean the Sox win....
knoxjay 4 months ago
they couldn't get a cubs fan to direct this? you had to turn this into a boston story? they've won TWO championships since then. shame on you.
npxmnpxm 4 months ago
Its amazing how the media has do much control over put the spotlight on one single event that supposedly caused a particular collapse when that moment in time builds up from within. Team sports lose games as a team even if it is true in some nature cause of one ball players misplay.
lennon041285 4 months ago
Thanks for posting this....been looking for this
lennon041285 4 months ago
We love you in miami steve your welcomed to throw the first ball in R new stadium in 2012
3zer05 4 months ago
There were other people around him trying to catch the ball just like him!
GreenGhost1996 4 months ago
Damn this video takes so long to load..
iRideThePinkPony69 4 months ago
8 years ago today Steve Bartman was like any normal young baseball player/fan who woke up and said "im gonna go to the NLCS game in Wrigley and watch my cubs go to the world series. He had a foul ball coming his way and just like what any other human being would do, he went for it and his life changed.
If ur gonna say u wouldnt have gone for that ball ask urself this, "its the NLCS and my favorite team is about to go to the world series. Why shouldnt i catch it?"
AverageJoeNJ 4 months ago
The "Pardon the Interruption" guys did a good job of making asses of themselves when discussing Bartman.
altratronic 4 months ago
Cub fans need to forgive him
KWCline91 4 months ago
Bartman had every right to try and catch that ball, I think Moises blew it completely out of proportion, and besides Bartman was no where near game 7, what happen there CUBS fans?
MrKing8050 4 months ago
Funniest thing is there were two or three other people right there that were all trying to catch it too but it happened to hit him
leafs3113 4 months ago
This is a great documentary about mob mentality. The fact that this all took place in a baseball-game setting is almost incidental to that.
altratronic 4 months ago in playlist Catching Hell - Steve Bartman
"I blame Steve Bartman!"
"I blame Moises Alou!"
"I blame Mark Prior!"
"I blame Bernie Mac!"
"I blame the billy goat!"
"I blame the black cat!"
"I blame Leon Durham!"
Aaah, the joys of being a Cubs fan.
mistamadscientist 4 months ago
@mistamadscientist Why not blame the idiots who run this organization or the fans who pack Wrigley every afternoon even when the team is awful, giving the owners and GM no reason to improve??? Thom Brennaman was right, the Cubs and their fans blame everyone and everything (curses) but themselves for the yearly failure of this team.
WillMatic40 4 months ago
@WillMatic40 thats a great point! those fans should threaten to boycott games in the future if the team doesnt start winning. thats what I would do. its almost like theyve accepted losing.
mistamadscientist 4 months ago
Blaming the failure of a team/franchise on one guy trying to catch a foul ball is absolutely ridiculous. The Cubs choked, not Bartman. You should be embarassed of yourself if you ever blamed Bartman for the Cubs' failure.
crazywind28 4 months ago
he cant catch a break obviously
entertainmentlab101 4 months ago
If Steve Bartman was Julius Peppers (Chicago Bears defensive end)...and the rest of the Bears defensive line went to watch the game with him (as did Bartman's friends), this would've never been a story. Every single wuss who picked on Bartman and threw something at him wouldn't have said crap! Bunch of losers!
Smuug 4 months ago
@Smuug this is the dumbest comment ever. If the whole Bears Bears D-line would have went to watch the game with Bartman no one would have picked on him?. Yea and if Julius Peppers played first base for the Red Sox instead of Buckner in '86 no one would have picked on him either. And maybe if Mike Ditka were the coach for the Red Sox in '86 instead of the Bears they would have won! And hey maybe if Walter Payton was playing left field instead of Alou he would have caught the ball!!
maintain1750 4 months ago in playlist catching hell
@maintain1750 Walter Payton? He was dead by then?
buc555 4 months ago
@maintain1750 u missed my point. The only reason this was a huge story was because Bartman was a scrawny little guy that the fans could pick on. If Bartman was 6'8", about 280 (almost the size of Peppers) and his friends were the same, you would've never heard of this story after the next day.
Smuug 4 months ago
@Smuug I didnt miss anything Smuug I thought it was just a dumb comment and it humored me so I replied back with a dumb comment. And now you follow back with if Brtman was 6'8" and "about" 280 we would have never heard about this. NEWSFLASH BUDDY..you clearly arent a Cubs fan. Doesnt matter what his size was. We have suffered over a century of futility. This still would have been all over the news cause it brings back curse talk and thats great for the media/news. 6'8" 280..knock it off lolol
maintain1750 3 months ago
@Smuug hahaha. Yeah. The fans would've been like "To bad you didn't catch the ball Julius. It's ok". I'm in Chicago. That whole thing made me sick.
THEBLACKBELT 4 months ago
Is it just me or does Bob Costas wear a tupe?
7475flyersfan 4 months ago
Give Steve Bartman a break! Its not his fault the Cubs suck so much cock they havent even won a pennant since 1945. Fuck the Cubs! I hope they never win a World series ever again and fuck their fans for supporting such a sad, pathetic, piece of shit team!!
gutterrat101 4 months ago
@gutterrat101 Redsox blame their curse on a bad trade that really back fired. Philadelphia had the curse of William Penn a monument. Cubs fans blame a goat. What a load of crap.
7475flyersfan 4 months ago
This is just like what happened in the bottom of the 9th inning in Game 6 of the 1985 World Series between the Royals and the Cardinals.
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SCARLEMSCARS 4 months ago
@SCARLEMSCARS You are a moron. The Cubs destroyed their season by choking hard themselves. That has nothing to do with one poor guy trying to catch a foul ball, not to mention Alou wouldn't have caught the ball to begin with.
crazywind28 4 months ago
When the Cubs win the world series everyone will get off Steve Bartman and he will become the most popular man in Chicago plus he'll throw out the first pitch the next season
turtlejerky09 4 months ago
How does the guy at 10:43 have a cell phone?? Footage can't be of 1986 World Series.
elderlyjr 4 months ago
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There were mobile phones back in the '80s. Back in the '80s yuppies like stock brokers and lawyers had them. They were pretty bulky, expensive, charge didn't last long, and not everybody and their grandmothers had cell phones back then like we do now.
jkbezo 4 months ago
One has to wonder what would have happened if the foul ball had gone way into the stands and Alou had had no chance to catch it. It would just have been another foul ball, no one would've cared, they are still up 3-0 with just 5 more outs needed.
Did not getting that foul ball cost the Cubs a run or a hit or even the chance to get the guy the plate out on the very next pitch? No
The Cubs let it get to them, they were frustrated and as a result they lost focus on the game.
buc555 4 months ago
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So the Cubs let it get to them, but it did not cost the Cubs a run or a hit, or made an error because of it? You contradict yourself. You don't know what you talkin about
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buc555 4 months ago
@janiwan27 You misunderstand. My point was, it didn't not literally cost them anything, so why did they get so worked up about it? Maybe if they hadn't gotten so annoyed about a foul ball, they might not have given up 8 runs.
buc555 4 months ago
Any fan in the same situation as him would've done the same thing.
Your team is on the verge of the NL pennant for the first time in your lifetime and now a foul ball is coming your way! You have the chance to get a souvenir from this potentially historic game!
Who wouldn't want it?
buc555 4 months ago
I live two hours outside of chicago and i hate fucking cubs fans.Im glad it happen.I hope they never fucking win a world series.They sold out sammy sosa after riding him for YEARS.And then they scapegoated batmen to cover up the fact that theyve been godman choke artist for the list 60 years.If i was bartmen i would have become a sox fan and i would throw out the first pitch every time the cubs play the soxs at comisky.
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cause you are a fucking asshole.
janiwan27 4 months ago
All you northsiders quit crying. Just cuz you've gone 100 years without a World Series, you take out your frustration on one guy? Typical of Cub fan yuppies. Hopefully karma gives you all 100 more years of sucking ass. And Moises Alou isn't good enough to even catch that ball so I don't know what he was thinking. Go Cards! we'll always have ur number cub douches.
rcockstar 4 months ago in playlist Catching Hell
LOVED his sport, and didnt care about fame or fortune. Yet an angry mob descended upon him and ruined his life. Go fuck yourself chicago.
MadDog243 4 months ago
Hey Chicago, yer a bunch of cunts. You got to watch the GREATEST basketball player of ALL TIME for over a DECADE. SIX NBA CHAMPIONSHIPS. SO MANY YEARS OF SUCCESS.
Maybe not all bulls fans are cubs fans. But I PROMISE there are plenty of cross overs. People from Chitown are like that, I know because my mother was born and raised there, and Ive spent a good deal of time in the city. You fucks crucified one that was NOT one of your own. Why isnt he one of you? Because he LOVED his team
MadDog243 4 months ago
Hello people I'm Steve Bartman
Sephiroth766 4 months ago
Lol...any person who threw a beer or swear word at Bartman is a a fucker LOSER.
It's a game.Grown men get paid millions and y'all watch.GET A LIFE.Lol
Ps-fuck the cubbies!!:)
arizonastyle 4 months ago
@AppleCrisp233 yea he was lucky to escape with his life but it wasnt his fault they lost. no1 shud be killed over a baseball game. if u were at the game u wud hav done the same thing n stuck ur hand out
asdfjkl884 4 months ago
Great upload!
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Isn't the point of this documentary that bartman prevented Alou from making the play? Silly bitch....
ricky100593 4 months ago
Cubs fans suck. Im a yankee and im sure that we wont be that mean. We'll be mad, yes, but we'll get over it the NEXT DAY.
Sephiroth766 4 months ago
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yeah sure. Alright. I'm a yankees fan and even I know that statement is not true.
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Marvellous series this 30 for 30. Have seen all of the TV episodes and The Senna movie. Thank you for the upload as well. Subscribed in the hope of new uploads when the next episode premiers. :)
peaboss 4 months ago
There's gonna be the Bartman curse on the Cubs. Mark my words they wont win a world series in our lifetime.
JoeyCrackProductions 5 months ago
As a Cubs fan, I've never blamed it on bartman. It was Alex Gonzalez, he's the one who botched what would have been an inning ending double play ball. Instead it was bases loaded and one out, and the Marlins poured it on.
Why this guy hasn't been crowned by the media as the new Bill Buckner, I have no idea.
getclutch72 5 months ago
Why not give Moises Alou hell for not making the play? Silly Cubs fans....
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ricky100593 4 months ago
MANY TRIED TO CATCH IT IF THEY DONT WANT FANS THAT CLOSE DONT PUT SEATS THERE
Obelisk2290 5 months ago
Bartman is remarkable in how he has not cashed in on this financially or for fame. ... I don't know why Gibney has to insert himself in this doc. Very egotistical
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I love Vin Scully.
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i hate how ppl tlk shit abt this guy. if you were there at that game you would hav done the same thing. look at the ppl around him they tried to catch the ball too. so get off his dick
asdfjkl884 5 months ago
daem he went to my h.s
asdfjkl884 5 months ago
Cubs fan could blame him all they want but when you look at it, the Cubs themselves blew the game. Also there were more people going after the ball than him.
jet4212006 5 months ago
cubs fan...... blaming something else as usual... it's awesome that a fan gets more blame than the actual players, you know, the players are the ones who play the game?
SoutheGarden 5 months ago
People need to think how they act in a crowd. Today people were calling a d-back fan a-hole for catching Prince's homerun, but I yelled at everyone to shut up & talked to the guy, who was just as normal as you or me. Pisses me off how angry people can get about such stupid stuff. If I didnt even know steve and i was at the game, i would have fought every ahole fan that threw beer and threatened him.
tonygunshow19 5 months ago
@tonygunshow19 People are just sick and inconsiderate.
Baw123888 5 months ago
I would have tried to catch it too. Hey media, leave Steve alone.
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kyokonkyochin 5 months ago
Excuse me, but did Steve Bartman fumble that double play ball? Was Bartman any of those 3 pitchers that choked up 8 runs in the 8th inning? Exactly. Now dont get me wrong, I seriously do hope that the Cubs do win a world series sooner rather than later. BUT GET OFF BARTMAN ALREADY!! Just remember, if your reading this, and your a cubs fan, and were sitting in Bartmans seat, YOU WOULDVE DONE THE EXACT SAME THING!!
mistamadscientist 5 months ago 65
@mistamadscientist Excuse you. One of the White Sox final outs to win the World Series was a foul ball deep in the stands at Houston. No Houston fan interfered with Uribe. All Cubs fans are just simply STUPID LOSERS!
kyokonkyochin 5 months ago
@mistamadscientist lemme add another a couple more, he also didnt blow a 3-1 series lead and there was Game 7 but fans signaled the end before it even started.
Xavier1215 4 months ago
@mistamadscientist The typical cub fan does not know these basic fundamentals of the game, so they will use bartman as an easy scapegoat. Also you forgot that Dusty Baker didnt get off his fat butt while a 23 year old pitcher was a little rattled in the biggest game of his life. Plus, Bartman is a secret agent sent by the south side disguised a typical cubbie fan in glasses, classic cub hat, headphones and turtle neck to throw the game knowing that the cubs would collapse with his "help". lol jk
gotthepanzershreck 4 months ago
@gotthepanzershreck Hmmm, thats actually a good point. I remember watching that game 8 years ago wondering "ok, Baker, you can go to the bullpen already!" lol. Also I forgot to mention that Bartman didnt choke away the 5-3 lead they had in game 7 either.
mistamadscientist 4 months ago
@mistamadscientist Much love to Bartman, well done. I only wish, i was sitting in that seat....
gotthepanzershreck 4 months ago
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NO I WOULD HAVE NOT.
janiwan27 4 months ago
@mistamadscientist Best thing I've ever read about this whole situation! Nicely done man!
kwb18 4 months ago
@kwb18 Thanks, its the truth, and had to be said sooner or later.
mistamadscientist 4 months ago
@mistamadscientist well said.
Supersonicsfan12 4 months ago
@mistamadscientist OH MY GOSH! THANK YOU! My family says this all the time! People just want to play the blame game when something doesn't go their way.
twimkletoes45 4 months ago
@mistamadscientist I agree that it shouldn't be all on Bartman, but he does desrve some of the blame. The most of the blame should go on Dusty for not paying attention to the play, becuase he could've challenged Mike Everitt's call & had it reversed to fan interference. Also, you gotta remember that in baseball, more than other sports, momentum plays a huge factor in every game. Had that play been called an out, there wouldn't have been as much pressure on Gonzalez to get the 3rd out.
bhawksaddict 4 months ago
@bhawksaddict LOL, you never have been able to "challenge a play" in baseball. Right now the only thing that can be reviewed, is a home run. In which the umpires make the decision, whether to review it or not. It's not like football... Also, it was not fan interference. Alou reached into the stands, to get the ball. A fan is allowed to touch the ball at that point. He just can't reach onto the field of play, when the ball is in still in play.
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And also, most fans probably would go for it, had this not happened, but I think a lot of people learned from this & are probably more cautious when they see a fly ball fly in their direction if they're sitting in the front row.
bhawksaddict 4 months ago
@mistamadscientist That's not true at all. Myself, along with many people I know have been in that situation, and actually put out there arms to make sure no one interfered with the outfielder. Anybody who has been around baseball, and knows the game well enough would not have done that. However, I do agree with most everything else you said. Even though, I must say.... if Alou catches that ball, they do win that game.
RGlennChicago 4 months ago
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skyfein 5 months ago
I'm a sports fan and i'll get frustrated and upset. But never would I do something like cubs fans and some of the media outlets did to Steve Bartman. They should be embarrassed of how they ruined and changed Bartman's life forever. Amazing how Alex Gonzalez doesn't get any blame. I guess to fans it was easier to blame Bartman.
AHawkins25 5 months ago
@AHawkins25 You're not Cub fan so one wouldn't expect you to understand.
Promoney22 5 months ago
@AHawkins25 the would have one the game, the word series if he didn't interfere.
toXns 5 months ago