@mensch454 That makes him sound overrated. Surely it was the planning of his generals and the planned invasion of France from WWI updated for WWII. Also Gerd von Rundstedt was the one who lead and conquered the French, Dutch Belgians, and Luxembourgers. At the same time he urged Hitler to negotiate with Britain, and not invade Russia, but the Fuhrer's ambitions got the better of him in the end. Adolf should have stopped at Greece and built the Camps.
@MrJfunk187 why should we concern ourselves with every European war. Last time I checked, we live in North America. Europe should be left to be governed by the Europeans, Americans shouldn't have to step in to win your wars. Besides, considering the fact that the Allies would have been defeated without our help, I don't think you are in much of a position to be picky about when and how you recieve our help. Beggars can't be choosers, and when America joined the war, England was a beggar.
@MrJfunk187 well good for you lot, but in the end, Australia's contribution in the war didn't equal the contribution America gave. I dont say that to insult the 27,000+ Australians that died, I say that because between D-day (we easily suffered the most on Omaha), supplying the Soviets with much needed supplies throughout the war, and ending the war in the Pacific without an invasion, we more than put in our fair share for Europe's war. Although you did send your air force to help on D-Day
@DeaneMMFlaherty im not insulted... remember austalia is a young country with a small population and lost a generation of men.. and rest assured im porud of the anzus alliance and pleased of the recent increase of co-operation between our nations.. mutually benefitcial...and we've been with you in every war since
we are very sun tzu like anytime we fight with the enemies of the communists and when we try to fight communists we are consistently out matched by the wily sun tzu reading communists generals.Continue this is a very interesting program.It's really nice to have the chinese and soviets drudge up in great detail our wars and pick at every ones old wounds.
In this situation, you can use the feint strategy. You send decoy ships in first row to be shoot at while the real army are right behind as second row. Not only will the German waste bullet and energy, they will also be confuse. They would wonder why there are no enemy.Then, the second line of ship dock in. Bam. Now fight to the dead, the soldier are still in a fight or die situation. There is no such thing as running away. Courage? wrong. Self-preservation? right
If you ever visit stalingrad it will change your view of Russia. I am pretty sure any group of soldiers you throw into a "Die or move forward" sitiuation will do "heroic" things. Not just American soldiers.
they should've turned those fucking boats and went home. Sure the operation would've been flushed but who gives a fuck? There would be another chance at some other point to do something smarter.
lol! but that's not the point. You don't go to wars to kick ass. You go to wars to achieve strategic goals. People like you keeps me thinking that US will never win in the Middle East.
Dude the 30s ? It was the 49s dumbass and besides i am right. A north veitnamese general said after the war that the americans won the battles but the public was a bunch of numbskulls and didn't like it
Phhh we didnt get our ass wouped in vietnam. You wont get what it was like. I wont get what its like. We won all the battles but we pulled out. While we were there we were wouping their ass
its kinda funny of the U.S. uses good techniques against germans in the 30's then all of sudden in the 60's in vietnam the U.S. they almost got there ass kicked lol smh doesnt make sense
@TheSchola3000 The Commander of the US Army in Vietnam fought in WW2. He didn't realize that what happened in WW2 only partially applied to Vietnam. Also, the VC was willing to lose a lot more than we were willing to. The VC won by turning Vietnam into one big death trap.
I really respect America for its action in WW2 to get the world out of evil claws of Nazis except the destruction caused by A bomb which has finally put the nations into armrace now we are sitting on the piles of bombs enough to destroy humanity1000 times
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@NullArc555 Your grammar is not perfect either. His point stands regardless of his mastery of English. I do think this contains too little about Sun Tzu and far too much 'Glorified' American war history to be of proper educational value. Of course, if you're American this could be teh shizzle to boost your already skewered perception of the world and make you jizz your pants with patriotic nationalistic pride. Misplaced pride.
Lol, this is utterly american propaganda. So little about Sun Tzu, so much about "american heroism". Americans dont have shame, brag brag brag, have you really that small dicks?
But Americans taught Sun Tzu at West Point plus other masterpiece. It really up to the general to employ which methods, what style that suit him. Know thyself, know thy enemy.
The D-Day Campaign was most suicidal invasion in World War II and caused 30,000 of deaths and casualties it self it was like hell.... oh God... RIP to those soldiers who died
I hate how they call the Germans Nazis. They're saying that everyone was a Nazi. Nazis was a political party. That's like calling American troops "Democrats" since a Democrat is running the country. "The Democrat troops are attacking here." it's fucked up
@dlMrINSPECTORlb. Art of War is an amazing book, but this documentary doesnt do justice to it. History Channel is just taking statements from Art of War, and finding makeshift events from WW2 to support them. It really is a lame effort. At times, this documentary even contradicts itself. WW2 was way too complicated with too many variables. Sun Tzu's principles are too broad and basic to account for all these factors of WW2. Its like trying to solve Quantam Physics with Algebra 1 math.
The invasion of Normandy was different from Stalingrad. At Normandy, momentum was kept by the American Army but at Stalingrad, the nazi's had a great amount of momentum but lost it because the Russians used guerilla warfare and the nazi's eventually lost momentum and their attack was countered.
In most strategic games you could still use this art principles and still win, such as my favorite game: empire earth 1-2, shogun 2, Rome total war and age of empire 3.
and what if they do? they were facing mines, artilleries, machine guns, rifles, stick grenades thrown at them, in the "garden of death", many of them didn't even have the chance to get off the landing craft
Well, Alexander is also a good inspirational leader, but if you study his campaigns you see that he had EXTREME luck.
At Gaugamela forexample the Persian cavalry managed to break through at one point of Alexanders army. Instead of attacking Parmenions left flank, they attacked the Macedonian camp, because theyr commander was fore fixed upon self promotion isntead of winning.
Sun Tzu was different, he won because of skill and loooong time waging the possiblities of war. (Sorry for my english)
@eacans Actually between 1939-1941 General Field Marshal Walther von Brauchitsch was in command of all German forces before Hitler, being a lowly foot soldier who never went to Officer Candidate School, took over. That post should have been filled by a proper, seasoned commander than a politician; ergo, the Fuhrer was not such a leader of troops after all.
@eacans lol. If Hitler had not killed the Jews and built those concentration camps, he would never had an intercontinental revolt in the first place as Aeneas Tacticus and Onasander also said that murdering innocent people during occupation creates rebellion and loss of territory; plus those camps were a waste of resources as they could have saved those materials to build bases during the conquest of the USSR. In short, Hitler squandered his chances at winning and took credit from others.
@quote3000 Anther thing, he should have just stayed at the rear lines the whole time designing and planning with Albert Spear to rebuild Europe in a classical style. Hitler was more visionary when it came to politics, but utterly arrogant when it came to military matters. On the contrary, the invasion of France was planned as early as 1914 and modified when carried out in 1940. Thus Hitler doesn't deserve the attention that Rommel, von Rundstedt, and von Brauchitsch put their efforts into.
@quote3000 you moron, he used the captured Jews and Poles as a cheap labour input for Germany's war time industry. He was a shrewd man, so no need to pose his as an incompetent General, he knew what he was doing. Call him evil and we can agree, but call him incompetent, then I diagree. He was very competent at what he did.
@eacans But still it is against military logic to mistreat conquered peoples in occupied territories for this will give rise to armed insurgents. If the Nazis were to avoid such useless labor then their war production would have gone smoothly. Besides, who knows how many weapon prototypes those slaves sabotaged; not to mention the amount of damage done to railroad tracks and tunnels. Again, mistreating and slaughtering civilians will inspire insurgency as it happened in Vietnam.
@quote3000 When the Germans invaded the Soviet Union, they were welcomed by many of the local population who were eager to get away from Stalin's purges. However they were being mistreated by the Germans as they were the Untermensch or subhumans under Nazi racial definition. Slavic peoples were being treated as subhumans. In the end, many of the local population returned to support Stalin as he was now seen as the lesser evil than the Nazis.
@MrLantean Thank you for correcting me. If not for their blind ideals, they could have won the war with moral influence. In the end, breaking the principal of focusing on victory, i.e. winning the war and brushing aside one's ambitions, would've achieved Germany's status as a superpower.
considering how the german were "deceived" that normandie wasnt the actual landing point... it is quite incredible to see what the american troops had to go through. the amount of guys who died b4 they even got off the boat.... WW2 must have been the most important and closest war of all time. If these and other brave guys would have not decided to give their everything i dont want imagine what could have been!
@lloveComedy Any environment detail is relevant where the battle will be fought. Wars may be fought with minds. But it's the physical forces that terminate a person whose mind is hell bent on terminating you.
yeah of course the only thing that was on there minds when they were getting off the boats was "for america!!" i think it was more like: "holy fucking shit run shoot hide" or something.
2:40 Jesus and today people say the Japanese were nuts with their banzai attacks and wtf was this, despite all the sea and air bombardment, they had to charge into MGs?
@TheWoodstock2009 first thing your name makes you a hippy, second thing I LOVE AMERICA MORE THAN YOU KNOW, i know since 1976 the general american lifestyle has been going down, but still, america. does anyone know that happend internationally in 1976, i was watching government in gnenral approval rates, and it went down in 1976.
But Hitler showed that one failed artist and an underweight soldier can take over a large number of engineers and scientists and young people who could fight just with his political talent and luck. Hitler would had died while running across the front lines.
Its not that utah, juno, gold and sword encountered light resistence as the program claims. Its that the DDTs (the floating Sherman tanks) capsized in the ocean off of omaha beach, which denied the Americans critical tank support.
Well, if you paid any attention to the program, you would realize that the principles in warfare haven't changed since Man first started organizing groups to kill each other. Sun Tzu's implications are EXTREMELY broad, and the principles he teaches have and will win wars of modern times. I'd like to see you take an army of 10,000 men and face up against 100,000 and see how well you do without following Sun Tzu.
@ColonelMarksman i dont have to follow sun tzu cause i have 10,000 men with guns and facing 100,000 men with swords. and my men are well trained ever since they were born. sometime in wars it also depends on the technology advantages of you and youe enemy and how brave and hard your men fight.
@life40123 what if sun tzu have guns.......duh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.sun tzu is not talking about technology....he is talking psychology and human nature in which he emphasizes in his book the art of war.You have guns but u aint smart and strategic technology is useless.And u rely too much on techonolgy cuz u aint smart,creative and strategic but u r lazy stupid and dumb
@lifes40123 a person who rely too much on technology,disregards strategic knowledge, smarts, creativity and who underestimates his enemy and overestimates himself/herself just like u will get his ass whooped by sun tzu or any other person who is smart and strategic relying on his wits and creativity as history proved it over and over again.Just like sun tzu said "do not rely on sheer military power alone!!!"
@lifes40123 soo yeah buddy keep it up and hold unto ur subjective and baseless beliefs u idiot!!! and lets see how far u cant get in ur life.......in other words............YOU FAIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!....big time
"reduced to zero"? That's attrition warfare again. Sun Tzu did not preach attrition. He'd do maneuvers to undermine the enemy's ability to fight, e.g. break its will through frustration. If you do it right you can defeat the enemy without any killing whatsoever - that's his idea of a perfect victory,
@lifes40123 :) You explanation proves why Americans lost Iraq, Vietnam and now losing Afghan. You forget that your enemies don't care about their numbers and weapons, they want to win the damn wars, not to fight.
@ColonelMarksman There is a saying "Over a period of time technology changes, but the soldiers remain the same." A lot of people believe technology is most important factors. None of those people are military generals, or leaders!
well, it it were me + the panzers, for sure would have kept most where they could have been most effective, i figure this would have been on or near the coast.
Yet if you really dont know where the enemy is coming from, best wait until you can make a decent counter attack.
if hitler just listen to what rommel said about his prediction of allied invasion and concentrated the panzers division in strategic spots along french cost line may be the blunder of normandy would not be happened...instead hitler executed one of the greatest general in history...
It wasn't heroism but the ruthless plan of Eike to open up a beachhead at cost of these white trash low-lives......These poor ppl were driven to their death as the russians were doing the same in Eastern front by using their own ppl to clear up mines and other traps on the battlefield.
the western front of WW2 applys mainly the teachings of Sun Tzu the Eastern front does not
the soviet union lacked enough officers to properly lead there armys, beacause of Stalins "purges", thus they resorted to the "human wave" doctrine turing the war into an attrition based battle causeing the death of millions of soldiers.
Huh, WW2 Applies mainly the teachings of Sun Tzu on ALL THE ALLIES. Whilst the Axis concentrated the bulk of their military resources on the Eastern front, as did Japan on much of its borders. The Western Allies outflanked the enemy on its flank ( Normandy ) just like the Japs being outmaneuvered and spent on all fronts.
both the kingdom of yue finally defeated wu .... long live the ethnic of yue(hokkien)! .... what we use?!money!mopney!money!~ mauahahhaha ... sun tzu ... you will never predict that ... even your closest friend became your next replacement as prime minister in wu .... but wu still lose to yue .... hahha ... but you also will not predict the the soledier in wu has become lazy after your retretment from military adminisstration of wu .... just read this word again ... sun tzu ...guo xin chang dang
Why use WWII as an example? It is NOT a good example. It was still a war of attrition, even without an actual Verdun. Without the British, Americans and Soviets churning out enough tanks and airplanes to bury Germany, no spy is going to land you on Normandy and into the continent. The Soviets pretty much paved a road with tanks, thousands and thousands of tanks, from Moscow to Berlin.
Though it was a war of attrition many of Sun Tzu's principles can be applied. Also as this documentary shows we had more troops, guns, tanks and bombs in the Vietnam War than the North Vietnamese and we still lost.
I thought the Soviets only won because the Germans had to pull forces to fight in France and Italy. Can you send us all some link to prove that plz? By the way are you a historian or what?
Interesting idea. Ignorant, but curious... what can lead to such conclusion? Do you have ANY information about, what you call, Eastern front? Have you bothered to look at the force Nazis amassed against Soviets? Have you compared it to what Nazis brought to Italy? Do you truly believe that 40000 Germans send to Sicily in 1943 or 100000 Germans sent to Italy in 1944 would make much difference fighting against Soviets.
Hint: in battle of Kursk (1943) Germans lost half a million men. Operation Bagration (1944) Germans lost 700000 men. Which holes would "italian" Germans plunge? By the time Allies managed to organized any meaningful military offences against Germans - Soviets were steamrolling across Europe.
Question was not "whether Soviets would win or lose" but WHEN Soviets would win.
Not saying that it wasn't a great victory. You can't argue with results. But, it would be nice to stop looking at youtube videos and seeing people try and relive the old days of the Red Banner especially on videos that don't even mention the Soviets.
I really think the Russians have caused more damage and trouble to the world as a whole than any other nation anywhere, ever. And the funniest thing is that they don't seem to realize that.
well, it was ideal for their sort of structure and for the enemy they were dealing with. It was the ideal time to fight aggressively with unbreakable momentum. And anyway the Germans were cooperating so it does the job well.
Yes, they could have been smarter but they don't know how.
Well, you got to give it to the US since they did do a good on the landing. But still they didnt finish WWII. It's the mother land who did. They owned the entire German army. It was they who pushed into Berlin and the end the war once and for all.
lol there wasn't just Americans, so by saying that being at Omaha will change your view of Americans is wrong, because they take all the glory for themself
@TitusLabienus i would dissagree seriously u guys fought only this one fight against germans becouse berlin was already takin by soviets.
and yes u guys do skip alot of info about that d-day was alliance not usa move .
You have to remeber that england was last place in europe were all kinds of soldiers came after their countrys were conquered by germany .So for them was just notural to be part of d-day would mean freeing their country.
@Killare2 you have to remember he only mentioned omaha cause its wear the most casualties had occured compared to the other landings which had little resistance.
@MareBellator Lol notice that in both world wars Britain was the stronger part of the allies taking the haviest toll and America jsut comes in to profit of things when its starter to turn sides and then glorificering themselves through hollywood.
@MareBellator Ofc i do not mean the individual soldier but the politicians as head o the nation. I would also just like to correct my comment above as i meant of the western allies.
@Killare2 The Americans are the ones who landed at Omaha. The British, Canadian, and other American forces landed on the other beaches. So he was correct in saying it will change your view of Americans just the other beaches may do so for the other forces.
@Killare2 He wasn't speaking for the entire Allies; he was sharing his views as an American about his countrymen (Patriotism) and country. He never said that Americans were the only ones there.
@Killare2 He wasn't speaking for the entire Allies; he was sharing his views as an American about his countrymen (Patriotism) and country. He never said Americans were the only ones there.
@Killare2 He wasn't speaking for the entire Allies; he was sharing his views as an American about his countrymen (Patriotism) and country. He never said Americans were the only ones there.
@swegricht i just re-listened to it, and yes he does. the way he puts the emphasis on "it will change your whole view about america ". U dont mention just one country if u dont mean that one. If u think of another to be equal of you, is by placing yourself on the same level. Its the same as he was talking about how americans were winning constantly in vietnam. Its pure biased patriotisme. however, hes seen pretty bad things so has every right to do so imo. :p
Heroes man
blackthought123 1 month ago
@mensch454 That makes him sound overrated. Surely it was the planning of his generals and the planned invasion of France from WWI updated for WWII. Also Gerd von Rundstedt was the one who lead and conquered the French, Dutch Belgians, and Luxembourgers. At the same time he urged Hitler to negotiate with Britain, and not invade Russia, but the Fuhrer's ambitions got the better of him in the end. Adolf should have stopped at Greece and built the Camps.
quote3000 1 month ago
4 people are Neo-nazi lol
niggaplezlol 1 month ago
where was your american heroism for the first 3 years of ww2 or for the first 2 years of ww1...
MrJfunk187 3 months ago
@MrJfunk187 why should we concern ourselves with every European war. Last time I checked, we live in North America. Europe should be left to be governed by the Europeans, Americans shouldn't have to step in to win your wars. Besides, considering the fact that the Allies would have been defeated without our help, I don't think you are in much of a position to be picky about when and how you recieve our help. Beggars can't be choosers, and when America joined the war, England was a beggar.
DeaneMMFlaherty 3 months ago
@DeaneMMFlaherty im not english.. australian... it wasnt our war either but we honor'd our obligation to freedom and peace and to our allies..
MrJfunk187 3 months ago
@MrJfunk187 well good for you lot, but in the end, Australia's contribution in the war didn't equal the contribution America gave. I dont say that to insult the 27,000+ Australians that died, I say that because between D-day (we easily suffered the most on Omaha), supplying the Soviets with much needed supplies throughout the war, and ending the war in the Pacific without an invasion, we more than put in our fair share for Europe's war. Although you did send your air force to help on D-Day
DeaneMMFlaherty 3 months ago
@DeaneMMFlaherty im not insulted... remember austalia is a young country with a small population and lost a generation of men.. and rest assured im porud of the anzus alliance and pleased of the recent increase of co-operation between our nations.. mutually benefitcial...and we've been with you in every war since
MrJfunk187 3 months ago
we are very sun tzu like anytime we fight with the enemies of the communists and when we try to fight communists we are consistently out matched by the wily sun tzu reading communists generals.Continue this is a very interesting program.It's really nice to have the chinese and soviets drudge up in great detail our wars and pick at every ones old wounds.
Johndoe2point0 3 months ago
In this situation, you can use the feint strategy. You send decoy ships in first row to be shoot at while the real army are right behind as second row. Not only will the German waste bullet and energy, they will also be confuse. They would wonder why there are no enemy.Then, the second line of ship dock in. Bam. Now fight to the dead, the soldier are still in a fight or die situation. There is no such thing as running away. Courage? wrong. Self-preservation? right
TheBBoyPhysicx 4 months ago in playlist the art if war
If you ever visit stalingrad it will change your view of Russia. I am pretty sure any group of soldiers you throw into a "Die or move forward" sitiuation will do "heroic" things. Not just American soldiers.
TheShinestofSunnys 4 months ago 17
they should've turned those fucking boats and went home. Sure the operation would've been flushed but who gives a fuck? There would be another chance at some other point to do something smarter.
BigDog91527 4 months ago
"While we were there, we were wouping their ass"
lol! but that's not the point. You don't go to wars to kick ass. You go to wars to achieve strategic goals. People like you keeps me thinking that US will never win in the Middle East.
thedukeofpotato 4 months ago 8
Dude the 30s ? It was the 49s dumbass and besides i am right. A north veitnamese general said after the war that the americans won the battles but the public was a bunch of numbskulls and didn't like it
madpigz777 5 months ago
Phhh we didnt get our ass wouped in vietnam. You wont get what it was like. I wont get what its like. We won all the battles but we pulled out. While we were there we were wouping their ass
madpigz777 5 months ago
@madpigz777 i said >ALMOST< got there ass kicked dumass...READ!!
TheSchola3000 5 months ago
its kinda funny of the U.S. uses good techniques against germans in the 30's then all of sudden in the 60's in vietnam the U.S. they almost got there ass kicked lol smh doesnt make sense
TheSchola3000 5 months ago
@TheSchola3000 The Commander of the US Army in Vietnam fought in WW2. He didn't realize that what happened in WW2 only partially applied to Vietnam. Also, the VC was willing to lose a lot more than we were willing to. The VC won by turning Vietnam into one big death trap.
paulerate 5 months ago
@paulerate so your telling me the dumbass commander didnt even realize how him and his army won WW2?! you mean it was just pure luck? hahahaha smfh!!
TheSchola3000 5 months ago
@TheSchola3000 ...Just watch all 9 videos and pay attention. Don't just watch all of them once, watch as many goddamn times as you can.
paulerate 5 months ago
@paulerate LMAOOOO
TheSchola3000 5 months ago
hahaha
TheSchola3000 5 months ago
I really respect America for its action in WW2 to get the world out of evil claws of Nazis except the destruction caused by A bomb which has finally put the nations into armrace now we are sitting on the piles of bombs enough to destroy humanity1000 times
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TheServiceWeb 6 months ago
Sun Tzu's Art of War is one of the greatest work by the Chinese, and possibly humankind!
lol
UnitedPebbles 6 months ago
If you are going to troll pleas use proper grammar at least ,doing otherwise makes you look like a redneck.
NullArc555 6 months ago
@NullArc555 Your grammar is not perfect either. His point stands regardless of his mastery of English. I do think this contains too little about Sun Tzu and far too much 'Glorified' American war history to be of proper educational value. Of course, if you're American this could be teh shizzle to boost your already skewered perception of the world and make you jizz your pants with patriotic nationalistic pride. Misplaced pride.
OtakuViking 6 months ago
Lol, this is utterly american propaganda. So little about Sun Tzu, so much about "american heroism". Americans dont have shame, brag brag brag, have you really that small dicks?
Tordenguden 7 months ago
@Tordenguden
But Americans taught Sun Tzu at West Point plus other masterpiece. It really up to the general to employ which methods, what style that suit him. Know thyself, know thy enemy.
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tonyg0123 7 months ago
The D-Day Campaign was most suicidal invasion in World War II and caused 30,000 of deaths and casualties it self it was like hell.... oh God... RIP to those soldiers who died
xktwnxl4zlx213 7 months ago
@xktwnxl4zlx213 I'd say RIP to every soldier that died in war regardless of uniform
Awesomeduud 7 months ago
I hate how they call the Germans Nazis. They're saying that everyone was a Nazi. Nazis was a political party. That's like calling American troops "Democrats" since a Democrat is running the country. "The Democrat troops are attacking here." it's fucked up
Awesomeduud 7 months ago
Sun Tzu's principles are actually very simple, they're just right on.
HipHop42297 7 months ago
wow, i feel great respect for the americans who fought at d-day.
ervin920 7 months ago
"there are two different groups staying on this beach, the dead and the ones who are going to die!" I think thats the best way to sum up death ground
kezDXX 8 months ago
i'm really amazed with the author of the art of war.
lilsm555 9 months ago
The Art of War had nothing to do with WW2. fucking retards. Cant believe History Channel would come with such a worthless documentary.
all4music86 10 months ago
can't believe u would be dumb enough to say something like this
death8dealer 9 months ago
@all4music86 ignorance is not an excuse kid. The art of war is taught in many military schools.
jwang604 9 months ago
@all4music86 you might be right, but you can't say that they gave a bad example of it..
wobby117 9 months ago
@all4music86 please explain why not because your stupidity is blocking your argument
dlMrINSPECTORlb 8 months ago
@dlMrINSPECTORlb. Art of War is an amazing book, but this documentary doesnt do justice to it. History Channel is just taking statements from Art of War, and finding makeshift events from WW2 to support them. It really is a lame effort. At times, this documentary even contradicts itself. WW2 was way too complicated with too many variables. Sun Tzu's principles are too broad and basic to account for all these factors of WW2. Its like trying to solve Quantam Physics with Algebra 1 math.
all4music86 8 months ago
The invasion of Normandy was different from Stalingrad. At Normandy, momentum was kept by the American Army but at Stalingrad, the nazi's had a great amount of momentum but lost it because the Russians used guerilla warfare and the nazi's eventually lost momentum and their attack was countered.
SgtBorsht 10 months ago
In most strategic games you could still use this art principles and still win, such as my favorite game: empire earth 1-2, shogun 2, Rome total war and age of empire 3.
Juinor 10 months ago
umm that guy twitching eye is distracting as hell
kaindrg 10 months ago
Thanks to Star Craft I have discovered this wonderful art!
hck112 10 months ago
"because they take all the glory for themself"
and what if they do? they were facing mines, artilleries, machine guns, rifles, stick grenades thrown at them, in the "garden of death", many of them didn't even have the chance to get off the landing craft
they well deserved all the glories
newtestube 10 months ago
@newtestube you missed the point the American's weren't the only "Allies" on the beaches of omaha...
swoshwosh 10 months ago
@swoshwosh
Check your facts.
Out of the 5 landings, Omaha beach had _ONLY_ US military land on its shores.
There was no "beaches of Omaha".
It was a single beach which 43,000 US infantry landed and engaged roughly 8000 Nazi German troops.
Totalannhilation1 10 months ago
@swoshwosh not the only, but the main force
newtestube 7 months ago
Well, Alexander is also a good inspirational leader, but if you study his campaigns you see that he had EXTREME luck.
At Gaugamela forexample the Persian cavalry managed to break through at one point of Alexanders army. Instead of attacking Parmenions left flank, they attacked the Macedonian camp, because theyr commander was fore fixed upon self promotion isntead of winning.
Sun Tzu was different, he won because of skill and loooong time waging the possiblities of war. (Sorry for my english)
VictumRoManius 11 months ago
I wonder what would happen if Sun Tzu met Alexander the Great on a battle field. who else thinks that would be interesting?
brOWNRicE1525 1 year ago
@brOWNRicE1525 Sun Tzu lived 200 years before Alexander's time, unfortunately.
CosmoShidan 11 months ago
@CosmoShidan yeahhhhh i know, but dude that would be pretty intense :D
brOWNRicE1525 11 months ago
@brOWNRicE1525 Though it would be interesting if Sun Tzu battled Darius the Great of Persia.
CosmoShidan 11 months ago
Hitler may be a horrible human being, but a naive General, this is western bias.
eacans 1 year ago
@eacans Actually between 1939-1941 General Field Marshal Walther von Brauchitsch was in command of all German forces before Hitler, being a lowly foot soldier who never went to Officer Candidate School, took over. That post should have been filled by a proper, seasoned commander than a politician; ergo, the Fuhrer was not such a leader of troops after all.
quote3000 3 months ago
@quote3000 just shut up please...look at you talk..just shut up..
eacans 3 months ago
@eacans lol. If Hitler had not killed the Jews and built those concentration camps, he would never had an intercontinental revolt in the first place as Aeneas Tacticus and Onasander also said that murdering innocent people during occupation creates rebellion and loss of territory; plus those camps were a waste of resources as they could have saved those materials to build bases during the conquest of the USSR. In short, Hitler squandered his chances at winning and took credit from others.
quote3000 3 months ago
@quote3000 Anther thing, he should have just stayed at the rear lines the whole time designing and planning with Albert Spear to rebuild Europe in a classical style. Hitler was more visionary when it came to politics, but utterly arrogant when it came to military matters. On the contrary, the invasion of France was planned as early as 1914 and modified when carried out in 1940. Thus Hitler doesn't deserve the attention that Rommel, von Rundstedt, and von Brauchitsch put their efforts into.
quote3000 3 months ago
@quote3000 you moron, he used the captured Jews and Poles as a cheap labour input for Germany's war time industry. He was a shrewd man, so no need to pose his as an incompetent General, he knew what he was doing. Call him evil and we can agree, but call him incompetent, then I diagree. He was very competent at what he did.
eacans 3 months ago
@eacans But still it is against military logic to mistreat conquered peoples in occupied territories for this will give rise to armed insurgents. If the Nazis were to avoid such useless labor then their war production would have gone smoothly. Besides, who knows how many weapon prototypes those slaves sabotaged; not to mention the amount of damage done to railroad tracks and tunnels. Again, mistreating and slaughtering civilians will inspire insurgency as it happened in Vietnam.
quote3000 3 months ago
@quote3000 "To capture the land intact, is much better then to destroy it."
- Sun Tzu.
VictumRoManius 2 months ago 3
@quote3000 When the Germans invaded the Soviet Union, they were welcomed by many of the local population who were eager to get away from Stalin's purges. However they were being mistreated by the Germans as they were the Untermensch or subhumans under Nazi racial definition. Slavic peoples were being treated as subhumans. In the end, many of the local population returned to support Stalin as he was now seen as the lesser evil than the Nazis.
MrLantean 1 month ago
@MrLantean Thank you for correcting me. If not for their blind ideals, they could have won the war with moral influence. In the end, breaking the principal of focusing on victory, i.e. winning the war and brushing aside one's ambitions, would've achieved Germany's status as a superpower.
quote3000 1 month ago
considering how the german were "deceived" that normandie wasnt the actual landing point... it is quite incredible to see what the american troops had to go through. the amount of guys who died b4 they even got off the boat.... WW2 must have been the most important and closest war of all time. If these and other brave guys would have not decided to give their everything i dont want imagine what could have been!
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x1XofflineX1x 1 year ago
"The greatest enemy of a good plan is the dream of a perfect one"
vidhun107 1 year ago
Sun Tzu said weather is one important aspect of war....
lloveComedy 1 year ago
@lloveComedy Any environment detail is relevant where the battle will be fought. Wars may be fought with minds. But it's the physical forces that terminate a person whose mind is hell bent on terminating you.
Sun6Tzu 1 year ago
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@Sun6Tzu - I understand, thank you for correcting my view.
lloveComedy 1 year ago
"Respect my athauritoritau" from Eric Cartmen
Agomongo1235 1 year ago
Couldnt they just burn the hedgerows down to the ground. Then roll over the ashes
azulalover97 1 year ago
@azulalover97 not the most stealthy approarch and those hedgegrows are pretty :P
Kr4zyAc3 1 year ago
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Flamethrowers would give away a unit's position.
Kanjilearner 1 year ago
yeah of course the only thing that was on there minds when they were getting off the boats was "for america!!" i think it was more like: "holy fucking shit run shoot hide" or something.
frikodian 1 year ago
The answer to Terran mech: Hedgegrows. GG =D
stepmanianub 1 year ago
history is a trip..america was a british colony now they`re allies..it`s like beating up the bullies enemy
blackberrycobbler4me 1 year ago
2:40 Jesus and today people say the Japanese were nuts with their banzai attacks and wtf was this, despite all the sea and air bombardment, they had to charge into MGs?
PanterausfG 1 year ago
HOW THE HELL DID WE WIN?!?!?! THOSE GERMANS ARE WAR GODS!
warobsessive 1 year ago
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i lol'd at the idiots standing in front of the boards
phalluses 1 year ago
heres my art of war tip: any true american hates commies. if your american, you should not only hate them, you should know who they are.
QwukeStudioz 1 year ago
@TitusLabienus The only thing that has damaged the world more then the US is the UK (no offense brits)
Epicsaursus 1 year ago
Australia would of taken the beach without a shoot because the axis powers where affraid of the aussie
dabarron21 1 year ago 2
@dabarron21 not just the Nazi's. Aussies scare the shit out of me
toberses11 9 months ago
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@TitusLabienus,DracoMalfoy87 The only thing that has damaged the world more than Russia and United States is GREED
ShirtyDogg 1 year ago
@TitusLabienus the only thing that damaged the world more then the US is Russia+US+nazi germany+imperialistic japan
TheWoodstock2009 1 year ago
@TheWoodstock2009 first thing your name makes you a hippy, second thing I LOVE AMERICA MORE THAN YOU KNOW, i know since 1976 the general american lifestyle has been going down, but still, america. does anyone know that happend internationally in 1976, i was watching government in gnenral approval rates, and it went down in 1976.
QwukeStudioz 1 year ago
umm, who is missing at 6:10? Rhymes with.. Rommell. His post was commander of the Atlantic wall.
xKCBEx 2 years ago
in short hitler didn't know what he was doing!!
EnzoGriffen 2 years ago
But Hitler showed that one failed artist and an underweight soldier can take over a large number of engineers and scientists and young people who could fight just with his political talent and luck. Hitler would had died while running across the front lines.
goodluckpeace44 2 years ago
all right, I see your point
EnzoGriffen 2 years ago
Its not that utah, juno, gold and sword encountered light resistence as the program claims. Its that the DDTs (the floating Sherman tanks) capsized in the ocean off of omaha beach, which denied the Americans critical tank support.
Smashingnin 2 years ago
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What a waste all over what some Dead china man wrote ages ago
LottsaLasagna 2 years ago
Well, if you paid any attention to the program, you would realize that the principles in warfare haven't changed since Man first started organizing groups to kill each other. Sun Tzu's implications are EXTREMELY broad, and the principles he teaches have and will win wars of modern times. I'd like to see you take an army of 10,000 men and face up against 100,000 and see how well you do without following Sun Tzu.
ColonelMarksman 2 years ago 50
Just about any idiot can kill....Every war is a failure
LottsaLasagna 2 years ago
@ColonelMarksman i dont have to follow sun tzu cause i have 10,000 men with guns and facing 100,000 men with swords. and my men are well trained ever since they were born. sometime in wars it also depends on the technology advantages of you and youe enemy and how brave and hard your men fight.
lifes40123 2 years ago
you must play too much video game
T1000579 2 years ago
@life40123 what if sun tzu have guns.......duh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.sun tzu is not talking about technology....he is talking psychology and human nature in which he emphasizes in his book the art of war.You have guns but u aint smart and strategic technology is useless.And u rely too much on techonolgy cuz u aint smart,creative and strategic but u r lazy stupid and dumb
staticx76 1 year ago
u talk like a nerd. u fat dick thinking your cool
lifes40123 1 year ago
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staticx76 1 year ago
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@lifes40123 a person who rely too much on technology,disregards strategic knowledge, smarts, creativity and who underestimates his enemy and overestimates himself/herself just like u will get his ass whooped by sun tzu or any other person who is smart and strategic relying on his wits and creativity as history proved it over and over again.Just like sun tzu said "do not rely on sheer military power alone!!!"
staticx76 1 year ago
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@lifes40123 soo yeah buddy keep it up and hold unto ur subjective and baseless beliefs u idiot!!! and lets see how far u cant get in ur life.......in other words............YOU FAIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!....big time
staticx76 1 year ago
and besides sun tzu is not gonna attack u head on.he's gonna use guerilla tactics on u until u r reduced to zero.....hahahahahaha
staticx76 1 year ago
"reduced to zero"? That's attrition warfare again. Sun Tzu did not preach attrition. He'd do maneuvers to undermine the enemy's ability to fight, e.g. break its will through frustration. If you do it right you can defeat the enemy without any killing whatsoever - that's his idea of a perfect victory,
LordBifford 1 year ago
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staticx76 1 year ago
@LordBifford sorry my bad,But ur right though.......thanks for the correction:)
staticx76 1 year ago
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staticx76 1 year ago
@lifes40123 :) You explanation proves why Americans lost Iraq, Vietnam and now losing Afghan. You forget that your enemies don't care about their numbers and weapons, they want to win the damn wars, not to fight.
hck112 10 months ago
@ColonelMarksman My thoughts exactly.
LawlessLaw 1 year ago
@ColonelMarksman Love ya comment dude..
Juinor 10 months ago
@ColonelMarksman There is a saying "Over a period of time technology changes, but the soldiers remain the same." A lot of people believe technology is most important factors. None of those people are military generals, or leaders!
chris96kalonji 9 months ago
well, it it were me + the panzers, for sure would have kept most where they could have been most effective, i figure this would have been on or near the coast.
Yet if you really dont know where the enemy is coming from, best wait until you can make a decent counter attack.
bodunchar 2 years ago
if hitler just listen to what rommel said about his prediction of allied invasion and concentrated the panzers division in strategic spots along french cost line may be the blunder of normandy would not be happened...instead hitler executed one of the greatest general in history...
IndoAtheist 2 years ago
yeeah but if hitler had done something wrong the allies would have just adapted like they akways did one way or another
angler1029 2 years ago
The allied generals (with the exception of eike) were hardly unconstrained! Monty was continuosly muzzled.
sollibop 2 years ago
It wasn't heroism but the ruthless plan of Eike to open up a beachhead at cost of these white trash low-lives......These poor ppl were driven to their death as the russians were doing the same in Eastern front by using their own ppl to clear up mines and other traps on the battlefield.
21156590 2 years ago
the western front of WW2 applys mainly the teachings of Sun Tzu the Eastern front does not
the soviet union lacked enough officers to properly lead there armys, beacause of Stalins "purges", thus they resorted to the "human wave" doctrine turing the war into an attrition based battle causeing the death of millions of soldiers.
nilloc93 2 years ago
Huh, WW2 Applies mainly the teachings of Sun Tzu on ALL THE ALLIES. Whilst the Axis concentrated the bulk of their military resources on the Eastern front, as did Japan on much of its borders. The Western Allies outflanked the enemy on its flank ( Normandy ) just like the Japs being outmaneuvered and spent on all fronts.
THIS IS CALLED COMBINED EFFORT.
PhilipineMan 2 years ago 3
both the kingdom of yue finally defeated wu .... long live the ethnic of yue(hokkien)! .... what we use?!money!mopney!money!~ mauahahhaha ... sun tzu ... you will never predict that ... even your closest friend became your next replacement as prime minister in wu .... but wu still lose to yue .... hahha ... but you also will not predict the the soledier in wu has become lazy after your retretment from military adminisstration of wu .... just read this word again ... sun tzu ...guo xin chang dang
lumianic 2 years ago
still sun tzu was a great miltary leader.
oh yes and then chu defeated yue.
sharingundragon 2 years ago
then you are now in the enemy's trap .... a good food to be eaten by the predators ..... remember ... don't ever be deceived...
lumianic 2 years ago
Why use WWII as an example? It is NOT a good example. It was still a war of attrition, even without an actual Verdun. Without the British, Americans and Soviets churning out enough tanks and airplanes to bury Germany, no spy is going to land you on Normandy and into the continent. The Soviets pretty much paved a road with tanks, thousands and thousands of tanks, from Moscow to Berlin.
Pellenarian 2 years ago
Though it was a war of attrition many of Sun Tzu's principles can be applied. Also as this documentary shows we had more troops, guns, tanks and bombs in the Vietnam War than the North Vietnamese and we still lost.
PalaceofDallas 2 years ago 4
what we doing in the middle east then eh? tell me that? Do our armies like eating sand or what?
bodunchar 2 years ago
Just to glorify the yankee doodles lol.
21156590 2 years ago 4
The ONLY thing that has damaged the world more is human beings.
So your BOTH wrong AND right.
Dictator300 2 years ago
I thought the Soviets only won because the Germans had to pull forces to fight in France and Italy. Can you send us all some link to prove that plz? By the way are you a historian or what?
DracoMalfoy87 2 years ago
there's no such thing as a historian nemore just ppl with opinions who think they have facts to back it up
de4th1snt3nough 2 years ago
Interesting idea. Ignorant, but curious... what can lead to such conclusion? Do you have ANY information about, what you call, Eastern front? Have you bothered to look at the force Nazis amassed against Soviets? Have you compared it to what Nazis brought to Italy? Do you truly believe that 40000 Germans send to Sicily in 1943 or 100000 Germans sent to Italy in 1944 would make much difference fighting against Soviets.
IgorRusland 2 years ago
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IgorRusland 2 years ago
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Hint: in battle of Kursk (1943) Germans lost half a million men. Operation Bagration (1944) Germans lost 700000 men. Which holes would "italian" Germans plunge? By the time Allies managed to organized any meaningful military offences against Germans - Soviets were steamrolling across Europe.
Question was not "whether Soviets would win or lose" but WHEN Soviets would win.
IgorRusland 2 years ago
Not saying that it wasn't a great victory. You can't argue with results. But, it would be nice to stop looking at youtube videos and seeing people try and relive the old days of the Red Banner especially on videos that don't even mention the Soviets.
patsfreak 2 years ago 3
There are 5 factors, according to Sun Tzu, that are essential to victory-
Weather
Terrain Leadership
Military Doctrine
Moral influence
Soviets had all of this, including timing and momentum. Sun Tzu would have been proud.
lacuestajs 2 years ago 8
NOT factors, FUNDAMENTAL factors.
Factors imply a part, while fundamental factors imply the imperative beginning of something. A primary doing of sorts.
Dictator300 2 years ago
@lacuestajs How did they have moral influence? The people of Russia hated Stalin
Smoothbluehero 10 months ago
Kinda shitpicking, but why are there Kriegsmarine flags at 1:26 to represent Nazi Germany ground troops?
Kman21192 2 years ago 3
so sun tzu would say its irreveleant?
de4th1snt3nough 2 years ago 3
I really think the Russians have caused more damage and trouble to the world as a whole than any other nation anywhere, ever. And the funniest thing is that they don't seem to realize that.
DracoMalfoy87 2 years ago
well, it was ideal for their sort of structure and for the enemy they were dealing with. It was the ideal time to fight aggressively with unbreakable momentum. And anyway the Germans were cooperating so it does the job well.
Yes, they could have been smarter but they don't know how.
soccom8341576 2 years ago
Well, you got to give it to the US since they did do a good on the landing. But still they didnt finish WWII. It's the mother land who did. They owned the entire German army. It was they who pushed into Berlin and the end the war once and for all.
SX2190 2 years ago 4
lol there wasn't just Americans, so by saying that being at Omaha will change your view of Americans is wrong, because they take all the glory for themself
Killare2 2 years ago 25
There is some true in your words.
TitusLabienus 2 years ago 8
@TitusLabienus i would dissagree seriously u guys fought only this one fight against germans becouse berlin was already takin by soviets.
and yes u guys do skip alot of info about that d-day was alliance not usa move .
You have to remeber that england was last place in europe were all kinds of soldiers came after their countrys were conquered by germany .So for them was just notural to be part of d-day would mean freeing their country.
sexyxrs 1 year ago
@Killare2 you have to remember he only mentioned omaha cause its wear the most casualties had occured compared to the other landings which had little resistance.
donjuandonjuan 1 year ago
@Killare2 i meant where and not wear my bad.
donjuandonjuan 1 year ago
@Killare2 Yea but, most were American and without us it would have never been taken. So yea, we can take almost all credit for that.
MareBellator 1 year ago
@MareBellator Lol notice that in both world wars Britain was the stronger part of the allies taking the haviest toll and America jsut comes in to profit of things when its starter to turn sides and then glorificering themselves through hollywood.
Blizzardthomas 1 year ago
@Blizzardthomas Say that to the dead soldiers who didnt fight for money.
MareBellator 1 year ago
@MareBellator Ofc i do not mean the individual soldier but the politicians as head o the nation. I would also just like to correct my comment above as i meant of the western allies.
Blizzardthomas 1 year ago
@Killare2 most soldeirs were americans
josalazar18 1 year ago
@Killare2 somewhat true however we did the Majority of the work.
Lelouch799 1 year ago
@Killare2 The Americans are the ones who landed at Omaha. The British, Canadian, and other American forces landed on the other beaches. So he was correct in saying it will change your view of Americans just the other beaches may do so for the other forces.
FeMan26 1 year ago
@Killare2 American troops made up the majority of the attack onOmaha but you are right if you refer to the entire invasion of Normandy
AngelSilasTV 1 year ago
@Killare2 He wasn't speaking for the entire Allies; he was sharing his views as an American about his countrymen (Patriotism) and country. He never said that Americans were the only ones there.
swegricht 1 year ago
@Killare2 He wasn't speaking for the entire Allies; he was sharing his views as an American about his countrymen (Patriotism) and country. He never said Americans were the only ones there.
swegricht 1 year ago
@Killare2 He wasn't speaking for the entire Allies; he was sharing his views as an American about his countrymen (Patriotism) and country. He never said Americans were the only ones there.
swegricht 1 year ago
@swegricht i just re-listened to it, and yes he does. the way he puts the emphasis on "it will change your whole view about america ". U dont mention just one country if u dont mean that one. If u think of another to be equal of you, is by placing yourself on the same level. Its the same as he was talking about how americans were winning constantly in vietnam. Its pure biased patriotisme. however, hes seen pretty bad things so has every right to do so imo. :p
DeliriumzzZ 11 months ago