I liked this type of fusion--when composition took up 50%+ of the pieces. Other groups like the Yellow Jackets didn't have very inspiring compositions--they got old real fast. And the only really loose improv-fusion band that worked was Weather Report, in my opinion.
This is clearly on of the best groups EVER. It's just a bit too bad that the technicians running the video didn't know the difference between someone "comping" and an inhuman solo (e.g. Al DiMeola's). Suggestion: run all cameras, have someone who knows what they're doing combine it AFTERWARDS.
Amis batteurs , observez Lenny white! souvent il donne l'impression de ne pas frapper fort ses futs! pourtant il a un impact extrêmement précis! belle leçon de gestuelle! on peut être précis et avoir un super son, sans pour cela taper fort! à retenir... merci cher LENNY pour ce que vous m'avez donné! mes amitiés sincères! IDIDIER D'AGOSTINO "shamanRHYTHMAN" BATTEUR/ COMPOSITEUR ?PROFESSEUR DE BATTERIE, Vidéos sur YOUTUBE et DAILYMOTION
@dagostinoification Lenny a effectivement un jeu très élégant, un vrai bonheur de le voir, à une époque où ça bastonnait dur chez Mahavishnu, que ce soit Cobham (très beau son, mais je l'ai vu à l'Olympia, valait mieux pas être à côté) ou Walden (phénoménal mais le son...). Je ne soupçonnais pas ce toucher très jazz à l'écoute de l'album. J'ai pris conscience aussi en regardant The Romantic Warrior que ces gars là pouvaient jouer totalement acoustique avec un son fabuleux !
@dagostinoification Sa tenue timbalier à l'ancienne (pouce en haut) explique peut-être cela. C'est une posture nulle si on joue avec les poignets (attention les lunettes !) mais elle permet de jouer avec les doigts plus facilement que les pouces face à face (ça, il n'y a que Simon qui y arrive). En fait Lenny joue en posture chabada quasiment tt le temps. L'inconvénient est que les pouces sont très sollicités et avec l'âge... Au moins aura t-il épargné ses oreilles !
Fantastic this was the best song of this group and all the songs were great. Also I love this line up Chick, Al, Stanley and Lenny outstanding. Nine dislikes must be brain dead.
@spankyxc0re The main objection was and is the electronics... Even pre-fusion, Dizzy caught tons of flak for using electric bass players. His retort as to why was, "I can hear it!" Even further back, Freddie Green wanted to go with electric guitar in Basie's band back in the late '30's & the guys in the band kept sabotaging his amp... For a long time, the Fender-Rhodes was anathema to most jazz fans, even though jazz was almost its exclusive use for many years.
@TheGWFrog interesting, thanks for the input. it makes sense, i just cant understand who would dislike this music just based on the fact that electric instruments are used. but then again, people tend to shun things that they are not used to.
@spankyxc0re In essence, it all came down to people rejecting both the totality of ecectronics in fusion and the idea that jazz could be "fused" to rock...
Some stupid people would say that Al Di Meola plays too fast but it's just that they listen too slowly. This song is so great it makes me regret to be living in my era. Anyone knowing when was this shot?
It's in the mid 70's, since none of them are fat and have gray hair. LOL! I never thought Al Dimeola played fast but that he played what was necessary to make his point.
I can't stand it when crappers ruin great songs, it's sacrilege to mess with this. Crappers should stick to taking crappy songs & making them crappier, leave this alone.
This is one of the best jazz bands of all time. I recently saw them play live in Los Angeles. What sheer magic it was. There is no-one else quite like them. Virtuoso musicianship combined with brilliant music composition. What more can anyone ask for.
why am i hearing shit about sampling on a truly sacred music site.what these guys did intheir context has not been equaled.The samplers would not b allowed to wipe RTF's musical asshole in the musical god's hall of fame restroom
Di Meola in RTF must be the consummate band guitarist. He contributes searing leads, funky rhythms, and part doubling, all with his distinctive stamp, but never taking away from any of the other musicians. Absolutely brilliant.
Honestly I can't speak for hip hop on a whole because is something different. It's not all the same. You'll hear a frampton sample on one song paired up with a heatwave piece. The innovation and thought process behind every producer is so different that you can't even compare it.
although freein2339 and OneRyt present compelling arguments, both of you miss each others point. Hip hop has a respect for music such as this and bob james and steely dan because it as an entirety lacks musicianship with a few exceptions. OneRyt is trying to explain that to you. However, in the same return, It's hard for the previous generation to like the preceding generations music. It's always been. Im a roger and zapp fan but new people prefer akon and tpain..(yes, im aware of frampton)
@jynxtouch What hip hop does is "borrow" from previous eras but what good is that.?.Where has hip hop taken music..?? What can a young musician that has studied music and took the time to develope a sound need hip hop for..??..Hip hop takes the musician OUT of the equation and replaces him/her with sampling...That's why the sound is so sterile and cold...There no emotion or soul put in the hip hop because it's not being played....There is more music inside you then anything you can sample
@freein2339.....but where rock only listens to rock and classical only listens to classical....hip hop listens to all. Your not going to sample Emerson, Lake and Palmer unless you listen to it. And then when you find a sample from whomever your sampling, you end up listening to their entire collection. For instance, when I found out Kanye sampled Steely Dan's "Kid Charlemenge" for the "Champion" song, I looked for the sample and ended up buying the whole royal scam album because it is sic
@jynxtouch What makes you think rock doesn't listen to say...jazz or R&B..?? Music is music and "real" musician appreciate the styles of other musicians...Miles loved Aretha Franklin, Sly, and Hendrix.Sampling is done because that person has no writing talent but your point about listening to music because of sampling is like living in the past...Where is the future music coming from if sampling is the source..? Like I said before..there is more nusic inside you then ANYTHING you can sample
@freein2339....if they didn't sample they would not enjoy the music before. Plus, I think your getting Hip hop and Rap confused. You should listen to producers such Madlib, who far exceeds what your looking for in a musician and an artist. Nicolay from sweden is a ridiculous keyboardist. And of course questlove and the roots. You would be surprised. There is a big difference between Mos Def and Lil Wayne
@jynxtouch I don't like Lil Wayne or Mos Def..and I never heard of Nicolay..but the point is if he is sooo good...why can't he write his own music..Remember there are hundreds of music students graduating from colleges each year but does that make them good writers..???..They may be great "players" but writting and arranging is another skill on to itslef and hip hop does not use that skill...therefore music as a whole suffers because the "journey within" is not happening...
@freein2339....so what your saying is that Mongo SantaMaria should not of done his version of "Watermelon Man" by Herbie Hancock. You mean to tell me people don't listen to other museic to get ideas. To improve on what they do or don't know. What is growth if you don't remember how musicians got there. Songs have been remade over and over again. To say that hip hop can't sample is like saying you no one can remake Rene Costy's "Scramble", and that has been remade over and over.
@jynxtouch Doing a "version" of a song is different then sampling a song...If you STUDIED music you would know that....By the way ....sampling does not improve anything..all it does is show how lazy and how untalented some people are...Like I said before..."there is more music inside you than anything you can sample"...Now what does that mean..???
@freein2339.....why don't you look up Yesterday's new quintet, Madlib, Nicolay, Jdilla, soulquarians, raphael saadiq, and take notice....especially Madlib, who you will find out is all 5 members of yesterdays new quintet and the music producer for adult swim on cartoon network
@freein2339......your as narrow as the birth canal you traveled down. Nevermind.....obviously your position is your position and your refusal to see outside your box has given me the insight on what type of mind you have. The music within you should probably stay there.....and I don't sample.....I play the piano and the guitar....I as a musician know what your talking about but to discredit things automatically brings into question your own music within......dont expand....stay the course
luckily my 13 year old son loves this stuff + Gentle Giant, Spaced Out, Bon Duen, Porcupine Tree, Jethro Tull, etc. My daughter likes the Giant, but the instrumental stuff she's no so fond of.
Thanks for posting these videos. I saw them in 1983 and it was one of the best shows I have ever seen!
freein2339 said it best !! Man ..... i discovered these cats in high school.......started with Stanley Clarke and SCHOOL DAYS !! ....then RETURN TO FOREVER at my local record shop.......... takes me back to the BEST days of my life !!! we need a RETURN..... ( pun intended .....my daughters are 11 and 8 ....can't wait to share these ALBUMS and CDs with them ...... hahahaha
@ gtrDan1963: Yeah, I seen that tour also & I just couldn't believe I was watching RTF, it was kind of dreamlike for me. I had seen Al D a few times & the first time I seen him & he was signing my cd after the show, I asked him if an RTF reunion would ever happen & he just smiled and said: "Yeah, it just might." So, to say the least, I walked out of that show with high hopes hearing that from Al.
I enjoyed reading the comments of this video, especially by some of the folk 7, 8 and 9 months ago who were lucky enough to seen the band perform the songs live. If you want a good background on the group, and this last album , check out the wikipedia articles on each. I love the album. The "exactness" of every note of every song, the composition, timing, finesee on the album is amazing. This live performance gives you a glimpse of the brilliance, but doesnt give the album justice.
I have to say I really prefer RTF to Mahavishnu, when I hear MO play I always think there's something missing that the other super groups got right, the bass player. RTF had Stanley, Weather Report had Jaco, Mahavishnu had Rick Laird, who seem to lack passion for the style of music they were playing.
@manb4war MO didn't need a bass player, they had Billy Cobham, Jerry Goodman, John Mclaughlin, they wrote amazing music, the only thing missing is your ability to see that.
@svenghoulieil Not necessarily... Yes, the Minimoog was known for it's tuning instabilities, but the Arp Odyssey and most other Arps had rock solid oscillators...
Young Al Dimeola on guitar. I was there to see them and saw them just recently both days of the NY leg of their tour. It was like being transported back in time. I still remembered every note and riff. Crazy to see all these old folks (me too) that were there to take a great trip down memory lane. Loved it.... They still brought down the house years later....
Stanley is groovin so hard on this track.... listen @ 1:46 ; you know the track is gonna be big when your bassist drops a bent-vibrato this early on... this is a classic, all time fav for sure!
I'm fourteen and absolutely love RTF. i just got into them this year, as i started getting into Stanley Clarke. I play bass in a band and our main goal is to be like the second return to forever, and we're probably not the only kids digging this amazing music. I don't think people should give up on modern music just yet.
Awesome. Keep going. Modern music has hope if people like you go back and listen to what's been done and then add YOUR flavor to it. You're into Stanley Clarke? Be sure and check out Marcus Miller and Jaco Patorius, James Jamerson and the Motown thing... it's all there for you to learn from. Git it in your body. Don't just play rock. Play EVERYTHING. Try upright bas. Rule the galaxy!! Seriously, go for yours. God Bless!
True that Funk, Jazz, soul and blues are progressive. Hip Hop is also innovative, but you can't listen to the modern guys and come to that conclusion. All the 80's and 90's guys laid the foundation Can't lump all of hip hop into this category of sex and money. Gangsta thing was good b/c people didn't know about what was happening out there. Seems overated now b/c record labels go for what sells. Innovators are overshadowed by what's "popular".
i'm not a fan of hip hop but today i was thinking about how a lot of rock guys used to call rap crap because of how they used samples and i think that's funny coming from a bunch of uncreative numbnuts recycling the same tired blues licks and chord progressions. this RTF track is off the meat hook by the way.
I agree with you - rock today is a product dude. True that. The one thing that made RTF great is that they knew how to funk. Rock guys don't always get that. Rock is not it's own entity - it's connected (at least, it's supposed to be connected) to blues and jazz.. Rock now is just... I don't even know what you'd call rock now b/c music is so commercial these days.
unfortunately this won't make any big label a whole bunch of money these days....and THESE days its all about musicians like RTF writing 3 note garbage for simpletons like Britney and Miley so that they can get a sliver of the cake after Britney and Miley spread their legs on MTV and hypnotize preteens to BUY BUY BUY.
I want to believe that there are still tons of musicians out there that continue the jazz/fusion legacy - and that they do it on THEIR time and THIER terms.
boy....I see where Vai gets some influence. That intro sounds just like a Vai song. except for the obvious (Vai copied it)...were all guilty of that one though.. even subconsciously.
Much (but not all) rap and hip hop is directed toward a population of listeners who have the attention span of a grasshopper. Whoops, I've said too much.
i think we need more hip hop mate, the old hip hop keeps this great music alive, see i got into rap music at 14, began to wonder where it came from and it opened my eyes to a whole new world of jazz funk and soul...
@freein2339 my band Third Stone Odyssey; we're just a bunch of high schoolers who like to play music. we don't have vids up yet, but we will within the next few months. but one can find us on myspace, myspace.com/ thirdstoneodyssey
@freein2339 my band is Third Stone Odyssey. we're just a bunch of high schoolers who like to play music. we don't have vids up yet, but we will deff plan on uploading some within the next month or two. but one can find us on myspace, myspace.com /thirdstoneodyssey
@freein2339 haven't you ever heard the Mars Volta dude? There's obvious jazz fusion influences there. Also Tera Melos and the Fall of Troy are definitely fusion influenced. There are great young musicians still, it's just that all the fat cat record companies put all the money into bad music like lil wayne and t-pain.
@scolbert1158 Calm down pal...There are young bands out there but nowhere near the number of bands that were playing in the 70s and early 80s...Since that disco bullshit started less and less focus is on the music and more on a "sound".....
@scolbert1158 the Mars Volta is easily the best modern band I've heard. First time I heard them I didn't understand because they were too complex and alien to me. After revisiting them months later I found a few songs I liked. Now a year after first hearing them I have all 5 of their studio albums and I have finally regained my belief in modern music. Plus the Mars Volta is the first band I've heard play Rock, Jazz, Fusion, Latin, and, Punk all in one perfect sound.
@freein2339 I don't think we will ever see a group like this.... you're talking about Chick Corea, Al di Meola, Stanley Clarke, and Lenny White... Even if you pick just a single one you would have troubles trying to match him... ( we could try... Stanley Clarke- Miller/Wooten? Al di Meola Mc Laughlin/Metheny? Lenny White Gadd/Weckl? Chick Corea Hancock/Zawinul??? ) I'm shivering just writing those names... :-) Frank
@iv3shf There have been some bands that had great musicians such as Zawinul, Shorter, Johnson, Ndugu, Ramon or the great jazz groups like Trane, Elvin, McCoy, Jimmy Garrison or Miles,Shorter,Ron Carter, Herbie and Tony Williams....
@freein2339 Your ignorance of the Hip Hop movement and culture is apparent. I forgive you for it, but I do encourage you to look into groups such as The Roots, or Guru's Jazzmatazz albums.
@OneRyt They're funk bands...They grew up on funk , jazz and R&B...and if all you can mention is 2 bands then what does that tell you about the "musical' growth of hip-hop.???..It ain't there because the music is mostly sampled...that's the basis of hip-hop and that's why it sucks...You can't mention hip-hop and fusion without sounding ignorant...tell you what...pick up an instrument...learn some music...then you might have a clue....
@freein2339 I shouldn't have to spoon feed you. It's your choice to remain ignorant and not seek out the opposite of what you feel it is. It's your choice to keep it classified as it is in your mind.
Your perspective is far from the truth, and your lack of realization of what Hip Hop as a sampling art in that aspect of it is, and how it is an art in and of itself is sad.
@OneRyt So does that mean you're too much of a pussy to learn an instrument like REAL MUSICIANS DO...???...Let me know when you summon the courage , the discipline, the devotion , the patience and the talent....
You have a rather large ego, and your approach to people is atrocious. I'm going to venture to say people around you don't like you too much unless they fit your personal "elitist" perspective of how someone should be?
@OneRyt I merely state facts..Hip-hop for all it's influence is nothing more then a sampling of funk and R&B...Your little feelwings got hurt because someone out there doesn't like Hip-hop...Well , get over it ...Some of us appreciate honest , good music , performed by real musicians...Not some idiot yelling into a microphone about nothing...grow up asshole...
@freein2339 But ultimately you're just ignoring the fact that sampling is a growing artform that creates combinations of sounds in ways that never could before, the Universe would be proud of it, because it accomplishes combinations of creation that couldn't have existed without it. Creation is beautiful, point finale, regardless of how it is expressed. You'd do good to learn that.
@OneRyt I have family members that are into that...in this day and age who doesn't..But ultimatly..the creative process suffers because the music itself does not grow....Play an instrument and you'll understand my point....
@OneRyt And your point is what...???...The tune is a regular R&B tune with some rapping on it and Herbie basically "comping chords"...I have heard him sounf a lot better but with that type of tune he really can't play a lot....
@OneRyt Killing can be an art form , just as stealing elections oppressing the masses , cheating on your taxes...etc...So like I said before...learn something about music since you seem to understand so little....
@freein2339 I have no doubt you know a lot about music and creating it, but your close mindedness, and the close mindedness of talented people like you who refuse to entertain the idea of applying these talents to the artform that is hip hop... incorporating live instrumentals with sampled pieces, with poetry in between in a Pink Floyd'esque way... now that would be amazing... but who the fuck wants to do anything original with whats new around us? fuck it, just pine for the good ol days ya putz
@OneRyt What makes you think poetry is just now become a part of a musical performance..?? And where has "hip-hop" taken music..?? Think about that...where are the young innovators of Black music...???..Hip -hop has it's place in history but damn man..call it was it is...a sampling of something else....AND...there is MORE music inside of you then ANYTHING you can sample....Now I see that you are a singer..is that right..??? ..Now how do you found YOUR sound...your voice...your ideas..???
@freein2339 also, your assumption that they speak about nothing is way off base. I've gotten so much good advice through deep words said by people who were writing poetry reflecting from their own life lessons.
There's a massive part of Hip Hop and the culture of it you're plainly ignoring by choice, it's a cultural thing, not just music. It's a political tool, but stuff like this music could VERY easily enhance the message spoken by an emcee.
If I could go back in time, this concert would be my first stop. And my last. And maybe a couple times in between.
enzo275 1 month ago
went to this concert- UNREAL!!!
ProphetessDebb 1 month ago
Lenny White.
1Eu4ic 2 months ago
@1Eu4ic nuff said.
enzo275 1 month ago
9 deep purple fans. . . . . . . .
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What is this all about.Have I that.
ronaldvanderkleij 3 months ago
Forever young at heart
inketu999 3 months ago
left nut : thats what i would give to have been at this show
joeylodes 3 months ago
The best fusion band! I have always found this song so beautiful, exciting, funky and PERFECT
thrashmetalkills 5 months ago
so many new amazing sounds back than. Chick looks like he's in a space ship with all of those keyboards haha
jazzpman 5 months ago
I liked this type of fusion--when composition took up 50%+ of the pieces. Other groups like the Yellow Jackets didn't have very inspiring compositions--they got old real fast. And the only really loose improv-fusion band that worked was Weather Report, in my opinion.
kurd55 5 months ago
Cute little sailor suit.Chick was never a fashion king but boy can he play!!
tommy198359 6 months ago
one of my favorite tunes by them next to the romantic warrior... di meola's a boss corea pwns white kills and clarke is a beast
jonathanguitar27 6 months ago
This is clearly on of the best groups EVER. It's just a bit too bad that the technicians running the video didn't know the difference between someone "comping" and an inhuman solo (e.g. Al DiMeola's). Suggestion: run all cameras, have someone who knows what they're doing combine it AFTERWARDS.
davmaz 6 months ago
@davmaz DiMeola is quite inhuman but so are the rest of them. Well I mean you know that but just making sure haha :-) what a band!
slapthatbass97 6 months ago
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rastaRoss420 7 months ago
Amis batteurs , observez Lenny white! souvent il donne l'impression de ne pas frapper fort ses futs! pourtant il a un impact extrêmement précis! belle leçon de gestuelle! on peut être précis et avoir un super son, sans pour cela taper fort! à retenir... merci cher LENNY pour ce que vous m'avez donné! mes amitiés sincères! IDIDIER D'AGOSTINO "shamanRHYTHMAN" BATTEUR/ COMPOSITEUR ?PROFESSEUR DE BATTERIE, Vidéos sur YOUTUBE et DAILYMOTION
dagostinoification 7 months ago
@dagostinoification Lenny a effectivement un jeu très élégant, un vrai bonheur de le voir, à une époque où ça bastonnait dur chez Mahavishnu, que ce soit Cobham (très beau son, mais je l'ai vu à l'Olympia, valait mieux pas être à côté) ou Walden (phénoménal mais le son...). Je ne soupçonnais pas ce toucher très jazz à l'écoute de l'album. J'ai pris conscience aussi en regardant The Romantic Warrior que ces gars là pouvaient jouer totalement acoustique avec un son fabuleux !
alonzopajo 6 months ago
@dagostinoification Sa tenue timbalier à l'ancienne (pouce en haut) explique peut-être cela. C'est une posture nulle si on joue avec les poignets (attention les lunettes !) mais elle permet de jouer avec les doigts plus facilement que les pouces face à face (ça, il n'y a que Simon qui y arrive). En fait Lenny joue en posture chabada quasiment tt le temps. L'inconvénient est que les pouces sont très sollicités et avec l'âge... Au moins aura t-il épargné ses oreilles !
alonzopajo 6 months ago
Fantastic this was the best song of this group and all the songs were great. Also I love this line up Chick, Al, Stanley and Lenny outstanding. Nine dislikes must be brain dead.
Jomor44 8 months ago
i wish every chick were that musical. not sure bout the mustache though...
odolany 8 months ago
Like all fusion groups, they were too far out there for a lot of folks, but,man, could they swing!!!
TheGWFrog 8 months ago
@TheGWFrog what did people not like about fusion?
spankyxc0re 7 months ago
@spankyxc0re The main objection was and is the electronics... Even pre-fusion, Dizzy caught tons of flak for using electric bass players. His retort as to why was, "I can hear it!" Even further back, Freddie Green wanted to go with electric guitar in Basie's band back in the late '30's & the guys in the band kept sabotaging his amp... For a long time, the Fender-Rhodes was anathema to most jazz fans, even though jazz was almost its exclusive use for many years.
TheGWFrog 7 months ago
@TheGWFrog interesting, thanks for the input. it makes sense, i just cant understand who would dislike this music just based on the fact that electric instruments are used. but then again, people tend to shun things that they are not used to.
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TheGWFrog 7 months ago
@spankyxc0re In essence, it all came down to people rejecting both the totality of ecectronics in fusion and the idea that jazz could be "fused" to rock...
TheGWFrog 7 months ago
no lip sync here ...pure music
greenlantern916 8 months ago
who's the guitarist?
ginddle 9 months ago
@ginddle Al DiMeola.........the one and only
djdiablo8816 8 months ago
and the world today has been reduced to Justin Bieber and Rebecca Black (even though she's hot).......
jonaspeter1 9 months ago
@jonaspeter1 She's 13 years old...
cheifguggletram 9 months ago 5
Wow..........Cool............
TheMitchxxx 10 months ago
wow real music
yosiasz 10 months ago
i envy the man that can shred the jazz, the gnar, and sound fucking awesome doing it. these men have all accomplished this.
haawum 11 months ago
Some stupid people would say that Al Di Meola plays too fast but it's just that they listen too slowly. This song is so great it makes me regret to be living in my era. Anyone knowing when was this shot?
loumaTROM 11 months ago 9
@loumaTROM 1976
MachTwo1 11 months ago
@loumaTROM Probably early 70's
djdiablo8816 8 months ago
@loumaTROM 1976 i believe
spankyxc0re 6 months ago
@loumaTROM
Probably '76 or so...
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It's in the mid 70's, since none of them are fat and have gray hair. LOL! I never thought Al Dimeola played fast but that he played what was necessary to make his point.
Prunepicker5555 4 months ago
@loumaTROM the album was released in 1976. Judging by Stanley Clarke's afro, I'd say this performance is about the same time.. Late 1970s...
photoasylum 4 months ago
@loumaTROM 1976
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loumaTROM 11 months ago
I used to do this tune in a fusion band, way back when I was 19!!! It was 1983...Ah memories!
Hypnus9 11 months ago
Man, I remember this when it came off of the assembly line....
jzzlvrmee 11 months ago
cute sailor suit chick
mercman58 11 months ago
awesome guitar riffs from al dimeola
dwjazz88 11 months ago
I can't stand it when crappers ruin great songs, it's sacrilege to mess with this. Crappers should stick to taking crappy songs & making them crappier, leave this alone.
Bucketbothead007 1 year ago
umm i just pooped my pants.
gbum007 1 year ago
This is one of the best jazz bands of all time. I recently saw them play live in Los Angeles. What sheer magic it was. There is no-one else quite like them. Virtuoso musicianship combined with brilliant music composition. What more can anyone ask for.
nigelgspencer 1 year ago
You know it's old school when you have to make sure your synths are still tuned. ;) This is truly amazing musicianship.
Soekzxqupopo 1 year ago
wow what a song nice chick melodi,if you don´t now nothing and just listen you can hear the chick touch....that´s fine :)
strattan 1 year ago
wow what a song nice chick melodi,if you don´t now nothing and just listen you can hear the chick touch....that´s fine :)
strattan 1 year ago
joy jazz. memories
staticview 1 year ago
why am i hearing shit about sampling on a truly sacred music site.what these guys did intheir context has not been equaled.The samplers would not b allowed to wipe RTF's musical asshole in the musical god's hall of fame restroom
STEVE25406 1 year ago
The best there ever was!!!!
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Di Meola in RTF must be the consummate band guitarist. He contributes searing leads, funky rhythms, and part doubling, all with his distinctive stamp, but never taking away from any of the other musicians. Absolutely brilliant.
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FictionaryMusic 1 year ago
Honestly I can't speak for hip hop on a whole because is something different. It's not all the same. You'll hear a frampton sample on one song paired up with a heatwave piece. The innovation and thought process behind every producer is so different that you can't even compare it.
0709ae 1 year ago
this music is so hard to play, and they make it seem to easy..and flowing and natural and wonderful and...amazing! MUSIC and MUSICIANS!1
jeustor 1 year ago
I love how Stanley Clarke got the song name wrong...still an epic song though and there's no way I can play to his caliber.
metalheadnick555 1 year ago
although freein2339 and OneRyt present compelling arguments, both of you miss each others point. Hip hop has a respect for music such as this and bob james and steely dan because it as an entirety lacks musicianship with a few exceptions. OneRyt is trying to explain that to you. However, in the same return, It's hard for the previous generation to like the preceding generations music. It's always been. Im a roger and zapp fan but new people prefer akon and tpain..(yes, im aware of frampton)
jynxtouch 1 year ago
@jynxtouch What hip hop does is "borrow" from previous eras but what good is that.?.Where has hip hop taken music..?? What can a young musician that has studied music and took the time to develope a sound need hip hop for..??..Hip hop takes the musician OUT of the equation and replaces him/her with sampling...That's why the sound is so sterile and cold...There no emotion or soul put in the hip hop because it's not being played....There is more music inside you then anything you can sample
freein2339 1 year ago
@freein2339.....but where rock only listens to rock and classical only listens to classical....hip hop listens to all. Your not going to sample Emerson, Lake and Palmer unless you listen to it. And then when you find a sample from whomever your sampling, you end up listening to their entire collection. For instance, when I found out Kanye sampled Steely Dan's "Kid Charlemenge" for the "Champion" song, I looked for the sample and ended up buying the whole royal scam album because it is sic
jynxtouch 1 year ago
@jynxtouch What makes you think rock doesn't listen to say...jazz or R&B..?? Music is music and "real" musician appreciate the styles of other musicians...Miles loved Aretha Franklin, Sly, and Hendrix.Sampling is done because that person has no writing talent but your point about listening to music because of sampling is like living in the past...Where is the future music coming from if sampling is the source..? Like I said before..there is more nusic inside you then ANYTHING you can sample
freein2339 1 year ago
@freein2339....if they didn't sample they would not enjoy the music before. Plus, I think your getting Hip hop and Rap confused. You should listen to producers such Madlib, who far exceeds what your looking for in a musician and an artist. Nicolay from sweden is a ridiculous keyboardist. And of course questlove and the roots. You would be surprised. There is a big difference between Mos Def and Lil Wayne
jynxtouch 1 year ago
@jynxtouch I don't like Lil Wayne or Mos Def..and I never heard of Nicolay..but the point is if he is sooo good...why can't he write his own music..Remember there are hundreds of music students graduating from colleges each year but does that make them good writers..???..They may be great "players" but writting and arranging is another skill on to itslef and hip hop does not use that skill...therefore music as a whole suffers because the "journey within" is not happening...
freein2339 1 year ago
@freein2339....so what your saying is that Mongo SantaMaria should not of done his version of "Watermelon Man" by Herbie Hancock. You mean to tell me people don't listen to other museic to get ideas. To improve on what they do or don't know. What is growth if you don't remember how musicians got there. Songs have been remade over and over again. To say that hip hop can't sample is like saying you no one can remake Rene Costy's "Scramble", and that has been remade over and over.
jynxtouch 1 year ago
@jynxtouch Doing a "version" of a song is different then sampling a song...If you STUDIED music you would know that....By the way ....sampling does not improve anything..all it does is show how lazy and how untalented some people are...Like I said before..."there is more music inside you than anything you can sample"...Now what does that mean..???
freein2339 1 year ago
@freein2339.....why don't you look up Yesterday's new quintet, Madlib, Nicolay, Jdilla, soulquarians, raphael saadiq, and take notice....especially Madlib, who you will find out is all 5 members of yesterdays new quintet and the music producer for adult swim on cartoon network
jynxtouch 1 year ago
@jynxtouch Who gives a shyt...???
freein2339 1 year ago
@freein2339......your as narrow as the birth canal you traveled down. Nevermind.....obviously your position is your position and your refusal to see outside your box has given me the insight on what type of mind you have. The music within you should probably stay there.....and I don't sample.....I play the piano and the guitar....I as a musician know what your talking about but to discredit things automatically brings into question your own music within......dont expand....stay the course
jynxtouch 1 year ago
@jynxtouch If you know what I'm talking then you know how great it is to go within and write your own music...try it...then get back to me...
freein2339 1 year ago
luckily my 13 year old son loves this stuff + Gentle Giant, Spaced Out, Bon Duen, Porcupine Tree, Jethro Tull, etc. My daughter likes the Giant, but the instrumental stuff she's no so fond of.
Thanks for posting these videos. I saw them in 1983 and it was one of the best shows I have ever seen!
TENNcaveman 1 year ago
freein2339 said it best !! Man ..... i discovered these cats in high school.......started with Stanley Clarke and SCHOOL DAYS !! ....then RETURN TO FOREVER at my local record shop.......... takes me back to the BEST days of my life !!! we need a RETURN..... ( pun intended .....my daughters are 11 and 8 ....can't wait to share these ALBUMS and CDs with them ...... hahahaha
authentyx 1 year ago
:'C
Coltranized 1 year ago
@ gtrDan1963: Yeah, I seen that tour also & I just couldn't believe I was watching RTF, it was kind of dreamlike for me. I had seen Al D a few times & the first time I seen him & he was signing my cd after the show, I asked him if an RTF reunion would ever happen & he just smiled and said: "Yeah, it just might." So, to say the least, I walked out of that show with high hopes hearing that from Al.
Bucketbothead007 1 year ago
Yeah man this is a classic jam!
Tdubs2u 1 year ago
Where's Part 2??????????????????????????????????
gbgoul 1 year ago
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petermcintyre100 1 year ago
Without a doubt, one of the greatest songs ever written & performed. Pure listening bliss!!!
Bucketbothead007 1 year ago 7
@Bucketbothead007 You are 1000% correct, my friend !
Saw RTF on the 2008 tour and they KILLED!!!
THIS was the encore, no less !
Mind blowing stuff from the GREATEST fusion band of all-time...
gtrDan1963 1 year ago
I enjoyed reading the comments of this video, especially by some of the folk 7, 8 and 9 months ago who were lucky enough to seen the band perform the songs live. If you want a good background on the group, and this last album , check out the wikipedia articles on each. I love the album. The "exactness" of every note of every song, the composition, timing, finesee on the album is amazing. This live performance gives you a glimpse of the brilliance, but doesnt give the album justice.
rundstedt13 1 year ago
this band wouldn't get a deal these days, it's actually music
damhippy69 1 year ago 42
@damhippy69 Isn't it sad that your right?Real music is dead to the masses.
xsamitt 7 months ago
I have to say I really prefer RTF to Mahavishnu, when I hear MO play I always think there's something missing that the other super groups got right, the bass player. RTF had Stanley, Weather Report had Jaco, Mahavishnu had Rick Laird, who seem to lack passion for the style of music they were playing.
manb4war 1 year ago
@manb4war MO didn't need a bass player, they had Billy Cobham, Jerry Goodman, John Mclaughlin, they wrote amazing music, the only thing missing is your ability to see that.
DiatonicSoul 1 year ago
Beautiful. RTF never ceases to amaze me
Heinrick192 1 year ago
This is just incredible, some of the greatest musicians to live
Heinrick192 1 year ago
I love School Day's from Stanley, and also Rocks and Pebbles.....those were the day's!!!
lespaul8287 1 year ago
The musical instruments they used here are better than present too muchh computerized ones.
destroychineseempire 1 year ago
Nice groove and a magnificent theme on simple harmonies.
PhilAroundhits 1 year ago
You think it has some Frank Zappa in there?
plainmuffin 1 year ago
to us, you are in TV land. But did they know about Internet Land!??? :)
cyagnusxi 1 year ago
insane one of my fav !!!!!!!
drumslanga 1 year ago
chick looks like santana
2473739 1 year ago
Real music!
Rege3640 1 year ago
great/interesting drumming technique
blackflagskate 1 year ago
I love their sound.
TheSixo 1 year ago
This sounded so 'futuristic' when it was new. Sounds a bit dated now but still lots of fun.
krustacean99 1 year ago
6.28 O_O
deadzior 1 year ago
Chick sure used many keyboard instruments here...
r3ck0rd 1 year ago
He says duel of the tyrant and the jester in the beginning, not jester and the tyrant?
Bice404 1 year ago 5
@Bice404 thats what i was gonna say..lol
Colombiansoundz 1 year ago
@Bice404 Thank you for sharing that very pertinent piece of information. Now I can sleep peacefully.
keo774 1 year ago
Brave to be a live synth player back then!!
Minimoog, and an ARP! whoah the thermal drift was crazy on those analog synths
svenghoulieil 1 year ago
@svenghoulieil Not necessarily... Yes, the Minimoog was known for it's tuning instabilities, but the Arp Odyssey and most other Arps had rock solid oscillators...
plungerdrum 1 year ago
great
DrGonzoOBoogie 1 year ago
A real jem! Thanks for letting me see this, for I have Return to forever's lps from way backI
Sound4Sense 2 years ago
love lennys tuxedo sirt....he makes me wish i played left handed ride
zebo1er 2 years ago
Ever notice Chick looks a bit like Baba Booey ?
Dan21450 2 years ago
check out steelapleton for some very rare RTF-
amazrand 2 years ago
Ahhh . it stopped. They weren't done yet! That is some wicked footage. They are the best.
TAYLORD 2 years ago
awesome, al dimeola rocks that les paul
Heinrick192 2 years ago
wow these guys are freakin sick, sounds experimental too
cuetip1212 2 years ago
Young Al Dimeola on guitar. I was there to see them and saw them just recently both days of the NY leg of their tour. It was like being transported back in time. I still remembered every note and riff. Crazy to see all these old folks (me too) that were there to take a great trip down memory lane. Loved it.... They still brought down the house years later....
Inwoodrosie 2 years ago 3
Stanley is groovin so hard on this track.... listen @ 1:46 ; you know the track is gonna be big when your bassist drops a bent-vibrato this early on... this is a classic, all time fav for sure!
KavalierII 2 years ago 2
is that walter becker on guitar?
BishopCQ 2 years ago
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Al Di Meola. But Steely Dan is the best.
GDarkstar74 2 years ago
Look at all those keyboards!
casual36 2 years ago
yeah man 70s synths was the best.true sound not like todays keyboards and of course the fender rhodes piano what a monster sound...
MPOURNOUZIS 2 years ago
I'm fourteen and absolutely love RTF. i just got into them this year, as i started getting into Stanley Clarke. I play bass in a band and our main goal is to be like the second return to forever, and we're probably not the only kids digging this amazing music. I don't think people should give up on modern music just yet.
discobassgroove 2 years ago 4
Get your funk on, kid! You just made my day!
Blugrazz 2 years ago
Awesome. Keep going. Modern music has hope if people like you go back and listen to what's been done and then add YOUR flavor to it. You're into Stanley Clarke? Be sure and check out Marcus Miller and Jaco Patorius, James Jamerson and the Motown thing... it's all there for you to learn from. Git it in your body. Don't just play rock. Play EVERYTHING. Try upright bas. Rule the galaxy!! Seriously, go for yours. God Bless!
holygroove2 2 years ago 24
@holygroove2 THAT, my friend, is an awesome frickin' comment. If I could give you two thumbs up, I would.
QueryMeThis 1 year ago
R&B of today is written my nutheads, i dont see a link between the two...?
Funk, Jazz, Soul and Blues is progressive as hell. I love it, people who make this music ARE musicians.
Rappers are poets who love to rap about sex money and gangster lifestyle.
The only thing that could make them musicians is their small feelin for rhythm ,
Thx for introducing me this great band, Love it . Never heard of it until now :D
k1llerinstinct 2 years ago 3
True that Funk, Jazz, soul and blues are progressive. Hip Hop is also innovative, but you can't listen to the modern guys and come to that conclusion. All the 80's and 90's guys laid the foundation Can't lump all of hip hop into this category of sex and money. Gangsta thing was good b/c people didn't know about what was happening out there. Seems overated now b/c record labels go for what sells. Innovators are overshadowed by what's "popular".
holygroove2 2 years ago
i'm not a fan of hip hop but today i was thinking about how a lot of rock guys used to call rap crap because of how they used samples and i think that's funny coming from a bunch of uncreative numbnuts recycling the same tired blues licks and chord progressions. this RTF track is off the meat hook by the way.
MitchTenderness 2 years ago
I agree with you - rock today is a product dude. True that. The one thing that made RTF great is that they knew how to funk. Rock guys don't always get that. Rock is not it's own entity - it's connected (at least, it's supposed to be connected) to blues and jazz.. Rock now is just... I don't even know what you'd call rock now b/c music is so commercial these days.
holygroove2 2 years ago 3
Preach it!!!!
rockjohnson80 2 years ago
look at 4:51. Did you ever see a drummer play so relaxed?
bassrils 2 years ago
Freein2339 you are right. Folks are getting short changed with this mess that passes as music.
christophersheldon 2 years ago 2
unfortunately this won't make any big label a whole bunch of money these days....and THESE days its all about musicians like RTF writing 3 note garbage for simpletons like Britney and Miley so that they can get a sliver of the cake after Britney and Miley spread their legs on MTV and hypnotize preteens to BUY BUY BUY.
I want to believe that there are still tons of musicians out there that continue the jazz/fusion legacy - and that they do it on THEIR time and THIER terms.
eskimoposh 2 years ago 5
hey man, I turn 18 in about 5 hours and ive been into RTF since I was 12.
deadskinmask59 2 years ago
boy....I see where Vai gets some influence. That intro sounds just like a Vai song. except for the obvious (Vai copied it)...were all guilty of that one though.. even subconsciously.
highintel 2 years ago 3
musical sweetness
staticviewer 2 years ago
Where are the young RTF bands...???? We need more musicians and less rapping/hip hop..
freein2339 2 years ago 47
respect.
Peterteh1337 2 years ago 2
Much (but not all) rap and hip hop is directed toward a population of listeners who have the attention span of a grasshopper. Whoops, I've said too much.
billjhyt 2 years ago
indeed not all...grasshoppers might have a massive attention span haha
tarquinblasfamisco 2 years ago 2
rap and hiphop are two different things going in two different directions so you may want to revise your statement a bit.
Thatguy301 2 years ago
i think we need more hip hop mate, the old hip hop keeps this great music alive, see i got into rap music at 14, began to wonder where it came from and it opened my eyes to a whole new world of jazz funk and soul...
tarquinblasfamisco 2 years ago
we're coming back man trust me
TheMullerFan 2 years ago
@freein2339 lol ...okay
silvermtn37 1 year ago
@freein2339 how bout my band?
i know it sounds arrogant of me posting MY own band, but i'm only suggesting because i like RTF
TSOguitarist1993 1 year ago
@TSOguitarist1993 I don't think I heard your band...do you have some vids posted here..??
freein2339 1 year ago
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@freein2339 my band Third Stone Odyssey; we're just a bunch of high schoolers who like to play music. we don't have vids up yet, but we will within the next few months. but one can find us on myspace, myspace.com/ thirdstoneodyssey
TSOguitarist1993 1 year ago
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@freein2339 my band is Third Stone Odyssey. we're just a bunch of high schoolers who like to play music. we don't have vids up yet, but we will deff plan on uploading some within the next month or two. but one can find us on myspace, myspace.com /thirdstoneodyssey
TSOguitarist1993 1 year ago
@freein2339 haven't you ever heard the Mars Volta dude? There's obvious jazz fusion influences there. Also Tera Melos and the Fall of Troy are definitely fusion influenced. There are great young musicians still, it's just that all the fat cat record companies put all the money into bad music like lil wayne and t-pain.
scolbert1158 1 year ago
@scolbert1158 Calm down pal...There are young bands out there but nowhere near the number of bands that were playing in the 70s and early 80s...Since that disco bullshit started less and less focus is on the music and more on a "sound".....
freein2339 1 year ago
@scolbert1158 the Mars Volta is easily the best modern band I've heard. First time I heard them I didn't understand because they were too complex and alien to me. After revisiting them months later I found a few songs I liked. Now a year after first hearing them I have all 5 of their studio albums and I have finally regained my belief in modern music. Plus the Mars Volta is the first band I've heard play Rock, Jazz, Fusion, Latin, and, Punk all in one perfect sound.
hithatrollz 1 year ago
@freein2339 OMG yes, yes, a thousand times yes
MusicManJayD 1 year ago
@freein2339 check out birds and buildings or mats/morgan or deluge grander
austin33309 1 year ago
@freein2339 I don't think we will ever see a group like this.... you're talking about Chick Corea, Al di Meola, Stanley Clarke, and Lenny White... Even if you pick just a single one you would have troubles trying to match him... ( we could try... Stanley Clarke- Miller/Wooten? Al di Meola Mc Laughlin/Metheny? Lenny White Gadd/Weckl? Chick Corea Hancock/Zawinul??? ) I'm shivering just writing those names... :-) Frank
iv3shf 1 year ago
@iv3shf There have been some bands that had great musicians such as Zawinul, Shorter, Johnson, Ndugu, Ramon or the great jazz groups like Trane, Elvin, McCoy, Jimmy Garrison or Miles,Shorter,Ron Carter, Herbie and Tony Williams....
freein2339 1 year ago
@freein2339 We know, we know but today..... will be very difficult for people to even reach those heights...
iv3shf 1 year ago
@freein2339 I was just thinking a fusion of this and the hip hop would be an amazing political tool akin to the impact The Beatles had.
OneRyt 1 year ago
@OneRyt Why hip-hop...they don't use musicians....
freein2339 1 year ago
@freein2339 I would say that is a rather uneducated assumption of yours.
OneRyt 1 year ago
@OneRyt I merely state facts...hip - hop is all about sampling and nothing about actual playing any instruments....
freein2339 1 year ago
@freein2339 Your ignorance of the Hip Hop movement and culture is apparent. I forgive you for it, but I do encourage you to look into groups such as The Roots, or Guru's Jazzmatazz albums.
OneRyt 1 year ago
@OneRyt They're funk bands...They grew up on funk , jazz and R&B...and if all you can mention is 2 bands then what does that tell you about the "musical' growth of hip-hop.???..It ain't there because the music is mostly sampled...that's the basis of hip-hop and that's why it sucks...You can't mention hip-hop and fusion without sounding ignorant...tell you what...pick up an instrument...learn some music...then you might have a clue....
freein2339 1 year ago
@freein2339 I shouldn't have to spoon feed you. It's your choice to remain ignorant and not seek out the opposite of what you feel it is. It's your choice to keep it classified as it is in your mind.
Your perspective is far from the truth, and your lack of realization of what Hip Hop as a sampling art in that aspect of it is, and how it is an art in and of itself is sad.
/watch?v=umig9XhciGs
OneRyt 1 year ago
@OneRyt So does that mean you're too much of a pussy to learn an instrument like REAL MUSICIANS DO...???...Let me know when you summon the courage , the discipline, the devotion , the patience and the talent....
freein2339 1 year ago
@freein2339 /watch?v=PNz98JQE_o8
You have a rather large ego, and your approach to people is atrocious. I'm going to venture to say people around you don't like you too much unless they fit your personal "elitist" perspective of how someone should be?
fascist.
OneRyt 1 year ago
@OneRyt I merely state facts..Hip-hop for all it's influence is nothing more then a sampling of funk and R&B...Your little feelwings got hurt because someone out there doesn't like Hip-hop...Well , get over it ...Some of us appreciate honest , good music , performed by real musicians...Not some idiot yelling into a microphone about nothing...grow up asshole...
freein2339 1 year ago
@freein2339 But ultimately you're just ignoring the fact that sampling is a growing artform that creates combinations of sounds in ways that never could before, the Universe would be proud of it, because it accomplishes combinations of creation that couldn't have existed without it. Creation is beautiful, point finale, regardless of how it is expressed. You'd do good to learn that.
OneRyt 1 year ago
@OneRyt I have family members that are into that...in this day and age who doesn't..But ultimatly..the creative process suffers because the music itself does not grow....Play an instrument and you'll understand my point....
freein2339 1 year ago
@freein2339 /watch?v=umig9XhciGs
OneRyt 1 year ago
@OneRyt And your point is what...???...The tune is a regular R&B tune with some rapping on it and Herbie basically "comping chords"...I have heard him sounf a lot better but with that type of tune he really can't play a lot....
freein2339 1 year ago
@freein2339 My point is that your oppression of an art form is depressing.
OneRyt 1 year ago
@OneRyt Killing can be an art form , just as stealing elections oppressing the masses , cheating on your taxes...etc...So like I said before...learn something about music since you seem to understand so little....
freein2339 1 year ago
@freein2339 I have no doubt you know a lot about music and creating it, but your close mindedness, and the close mindedness of talented people like you who refuse to entertain the idea of applying these talents to the artform that is hip hop... incorporating live instrumentals with sampled pieces, with poetry in between in a Pink Floyd'esque way... now that would be amazing... but who the fuck wants to do anything original with whats new around us? fuck it, just pine for the good ol days ya putz
OneRyt 1 year ago
@OneRyt What makes you think poetry is just now become a part of a musical performance..?? And where has "hip-hop" taken music..?? Think about that...where are the young innovators of Black music...???..Hip -hop has it's place in history but damn man..call it was it is...a sampling of something else....AND...there is MORE music inside of you then ANYTHING you can sample....Now I see that you are a singer..is that right..??? ..Now how do you found YOUR sound...your voice...your ideas..???
freein2339 1 year ago
@freein2339 also, your assumption that they speak about nothing is way off base. I've gotten so much good advice through deep words said by people who were writing poetry reflecting from their own life lessons.
There's a massive part of Hip Hop and the culture of it you're plainly ignoring by choice, it's a cultural thing, not just music. It's a political tool, but stuff like this music could VERY easily enhance the message spoken by an emcee.
OneRyt 1 year ago