In my opinion spirituality is a condition of the heart and cannot be accomplished by study or piety and by looking for the truth you first have to learn to be sincere toward yourself
@marcelia3 ... U.G Krishnamurti, not to be confused with Jiddu Krishnamurti, was quite a character. He was obsessed with knowing "truth." He's definitely not for everyone because of his brash nature. Most seekers who visited him did not find a gentle guru.
Some of his quotes can send you for a loop, they did me anyway but i realize we're all different and he may not appeal to you. I'll send U a link.
I think I finally have UG figured out. He sought his entire life for enlightenment and never achieved it so he became frustrated and gave up which became his "transition" which is nothing more than another word for enlightenment or freedom. He freed himself from his desires to be free which never should have existed in the first place if he had truly understood the teachings of Buddhism. His story is very similar to the Buddha's which is suspicious indeed. That said I do agree with UG alot
@MentalHygieneMusic I disagree. I met him several times, and he definitely was enlightened. I don't think you have begun to understand what enlightenment is.
there is only this, and trying to explain "IT" which is unexplainable, most people only say- NO! So consumed with everything trying to reach a goal, when it is where your feet are planted... people then walk out the door in search of making their belief tangible find themselves miserable... except for you. U.G. said he is an ordinary man. When you put him on a pedestal, you have made a misery. There are many in this "state" THAT DON'T EVEN KNOW THEY ARE. searching... searching... dead
every single being (even though that doesn't exist) who "reaches" "his" state of consciousness will intuitively know that no one has ever done anything. even UGK was a puppet, controled by the whole, or "God" so to say, like my writing right now is being controlled by the wholeness of being, not by "me" - and no one can ever know this, because no one exists separated from this wholeness in which EVERYTHING takes place. need a sleep now.
The single most important message I've ever seen online... and like as he calls him - Krishnamurti says... the word isn't the thing... all the talk about "it"... isn't it at all, but what UG and Jiddu were talking about - talking FOR - was just to point to it... to attempt - with futility most times - to cause a change in someone... to spark something that sets a person on the right path. It IS as if it comes by chance... by luck... and it came here too. And it's nothing like I could've imagined
@sonofthedestroyer good question - no idea... is a god in control of this, or, was it set up by a god? maybe... I'm not one to say... Not one to say one didn't either. For whatever reason - it's available to us. It takes some wisdom to get there... some "work", but it can come quite easily too...
About the calamity: It sounds like he might have had a stroke. Those appear to be some of the symptoms of a stroke, the inner experience of a stroke. I also wonder if he had studied any of the Western initiates, like Goethe, Rudolf Steiner and paths such as Rosicrucianism. The human is tripartite: Body, Soul and Spirit.
U.G. was even more radical then Jiddu. Both from the Theosophist background. I love the way he says the body is supposed to control the intellect and the intellect should defer to the body. The "Children's Cafeteria Experiment" in Psych 101 is evidence of this. We were not intellect dominant as kids and were healthier and happier.
U.G. was even more radical then Jiddu. Both from the Theosophist background. I love the way he says the body is supposed to control the intellect and the intellect should defer to the body. The "Childrens Cafeteria Experiment" in Psych 101 is evidence of this. We were not intellect dominant as kids and were healthier and happier.
The only way to be "awakened" is by purging what you think all this is about. As long as we form some kind of abstraction, it is instantly unattainable because you are forming a concept out of abstraction someone else has put before you. That is why UG rejected everyone else. Not just because he thought they were wrong, but as long as you are putting someone else "above" you, you are missing the point. his is also why UG says each person is "unique" and "unparalleled" because all things....
There are no secrets to be shared by UG or Jiddu. He was not nasty, you are nasty and push it on him. He was not bitter with humanity. Secrets, Nasty, Bitter, all these imply knowledge. There is no knowledge involved in this matter. UG was free from all of that. This calamity has nothing to do with conciousness either. There is nothing to understand!
@nasafakedit you said his limitation was that he didn't want to help people, and my question was - What is there to help? You say people but what exactly do you mean by people. Either you see for yourself that the mind is false or you don't. You want UG to be everybodys crutch to lean on?
@nasafakedit I'm not pretending to be a guru, but why exactly do you want UG to help people. I don't understand how you want him to help people. Why don't you help people? As far as the mind, I think there is probably just one mind. How can I say this is my mind when I had to acquire it?
@nasafakedit I just meant how can I say I have some individual meaning or substance without the knowledge I have gained from others? For example, If you tell a child it is a good one, it has no idea what you are talking about until you tell it what a bad child is. Its the same with Love/Hate, Meaning/Meaningless, etc. Right?
He obviously "enjoyed" answering the questions regardless of his expression. when the student is ready the teacher appears. take these tools new or not, and like him use thee concepts to continue your high. He couldn't explain it to a deaf man. i'ts an illusion, play with it, or shut the f8ck up & bounce. what you imagine "is" real, though still an illusion. micro/macrocosm>reaction>continuity.
and for real it's a perceptive interpretation>>> we don't know sure constant.
Funny to me, and to you ... that UG and Osho seemed to have animosities for each other ... While Osho was open to anyone, UG seemed to have no big interest in people to encounter his freedom from systems and believes. Though he obviously was of the same kind and quality, his own way was of a certain bitterness towards beginners and seekers on the path, with whom he felt no friendly or helping mood to trick them into this very moment. But OK.
If i listen to one thousand lectures and read one thousand books whilst doing the best i can to be peaceful, then will i recieve complimentary enlightment. No. If enlightment is something that happens to people as if a gift from God as it were and God Being the deliverer of enlightment why not give it to all. It's funny how those that have ended the search due to enlightment are leading those still searching, saying to them... don't follow me.
Hi sagetube. I watched a fair few vids of JK when I was living at the Krishnamurti centre in England a few years ago (where they have an extensive library of recordings) and his voice, manner, style of reasoning and habitual phrases soon became very familiar to me. The voice and message in this video are definitely from a different person - if there is such a thing :)
UGK is easier to approach and understand when dealing with him on an aphoristic basis. But, to come at him from a systematic point of view is VERY difficult. This, however, is one of the better UGK videos on Youtube. Thanks very much for posting.
Yes, a very nice video i hadn't seen/heard before.
Much appreciated-btw if you are truly in such a state-you have way of giving it to another. It is very dangerous in using such words enlightened since it creates a following. Being so concerned of achieving it leads to illusions of being. If you want it you can't have it, if you have it some say "you will not want this".
as the word enlightenment exists then surely the state of enlightenment exists too. UG admits to an Awakening. Why can't one call that State Enlightenment? If he refuses to use that word then that implies he knows what enlightenment is. If he doesnt know what it means then why push it aside? Being Awakened surely is to be enlightened? Although the ego is enlightened as it can be when one says 'oh yes now I see what you mean'. No that is not enlightenment. Maybe that is what he meant.
if all you wanted was inlightenmet i could give it to you.
but would you do what is realy reqired to get it?
just watch your self constantly, shift your primary attention to looking at your self!
watch your self thinking, working, playing, always just waching. at first you will say ohh''i stoped agen!!! in and out you will go,,,but then you willnot have to think about it one day it will happen all on its oun, and bam!!! you come alive agen, everything new 4 the first time, you are alive.
I am new at this....he actually shows a lot of respect to K which came as a surprise to me.
So what "good" is this state. JK said that if you don't anchor in this state that you have really wasted your life...UG seems to say....well anyone please help ?
ug says that this state is an illusion, to get to it by "training" for years (for your live) is a waste of time.
but i think you have to find out youself.
...you are the one who has to decide either to work all your life to get to this very state ("enlightenment") and be disapointed (all your life) if you don't. or you don't want to have such a special goal and so try to be a relaxed person who just wants to be himself.
I think what is interesting is the difference in his tone by comparison with later lectures. Here, he is more moderate and willing to align his own experiences with classic notions of eastern spirituality. If he is actually awakened, then this shows that the mind can develop considerably from the point of awakening. It's as if, after awakening, the mind ripens.
@sonofthedestroyer Either that...possible that and or... frustration from feeling as if he had failed with those closest to him..or just a feeling like he should have done more...men like him..have been lecturing for ages..and the ones that need to listen to these messages the most usually don't...or they simply aren't getting it...litte has changed..
I hear him engage in criticism, a kind of comparison which causes him dislike. A reaching out to discredit another previous mentor. I observe from this speaker these comments that place division between humans. His words abstract a physical experience he describes; and beyond that similar statements to his mentor. However I do not observe any observation from him, of the intellectual processes which dominate the minds focus, and dull the senses so. Do you others see these aspects also?
Ive been in america a long time,there isnt any with spiritual anything,now the natives,years ago,in that incarnation knew some shit.I gotta lean towards the hindis who live on the fringe, now thats bad ass!
One can 'become enlightened gradually' through 'letting go'. Or through the experience of great suffering one can make the sudden 'jump'. At least this is how it is perceived in space/time by the individual. A pile of sand cannot collapse unless it is first built up. Yet it is best not to focus on the build up of the sand nor the collapse. Thoughts are 'transcended' not stopped or rejected. U.G did not with volition try to stop his brain. He spoke from the heart to those ready to understand.
U.G. was a unique person, reading about his biography is unbelievable.. he was one of a few, who managed to live without wanting anything,... let him rest in peace.
This truely is an inspiring and useful talk. Thanks so much AmberFlame1 for posting it. Like Jiddu his spiritual elder brother U.G was I feel in my heart genuinely 'awakened'. My much loved late spiritual teacher Sadhujivin (Mettaloka Sangha)was 'awakened' and often explained to me in the same vein his UNIQUE experience of awakening. I am currently receiving techings from another 'awakened' teacher David Smith (Dharma Mind Group)
Yes but thoughts come from thoughts in your mind from gurus they come from the soul or the totality of the universe a high perspective not a fragmented thing called thoughts perspective actually its pretty possible for you to experience it if you just turn your attention 100% into yourself stop every thought about anything at all and see what happens you will explode into fear then peace will arrive rest then in peace.. free.. thanx byebye
J. Krishnamurti A few days before his death, in a final statement, he emphatically declared that "nobody" - among his associates, or the general public - had understood what had happened to him (as the conduit of the teaching), nor had they understood the teaching itself.
You can't say that about Ipsa's views, People, because judging by your comments, you HAVEN'T GOT A CLUE what Ipsa's saying. And you haven't got the good sense to admit it.
Asylum SENSES (he's got enough mother wit for that) that Ipsa doesn't agree with revered master UG (how or why is beyond him) and out come the buzzwords 'brainwashed', you're this and you're that. Pathetic little devotee.
"You are using logic to continue the separative structure, that is all. Your questions are again thoughts and therefore reactive. All thought is reactive. You are desperately protecting this armor, this shield of thought, and are frightened that the movement of life might smash your frontiers."
Ipsa, this asylumguy is out of his depth and doesn't know it. I think he is perfectly sincere in calling you pseudo-intellectual. He honestly hasn't got a clue what you're talking about. :)
Lol, a not too bright guy, armed with a shibboleth (UG SAID). But what do you do when someone finally says "Let's talk about the issue". You think (sigh): Let's try one more time!
Apparently, UG Krishnamurti may not be contradicted, or Peopleasylum will start moaning about 'lying gurus' and will keep repeating what UG said without a single time addressing any of the arguments. I didn't appeal to any authority, PA. That's your hangup.
1. Ok, let's. My previous comments were all trying to make the very same point, so I could refer u to them or make the same point again in a different way. Here goes: people can claim they're merely the body, the physical organism, the play of atoms/molecules, but they can never step outside their own consciousness. U can cut off ur legs or cut out ur liver and still look at urself and call urself urself. U CAN'T shut down ur consciousness and still regard urself as urself. The reason why.....
2....this is often overlooked is because it's so basic that it almost becomes banal or at least strikes us as banal and uninteresting. But it's still true, I think. And that's why I think it's simply not correct to say (or absurd rather) 'I am merely the body'. The 'you' is always simply where 'you' are and how 'you' are and when 'you' are, namely in the conscious experience of 'you'. Does it make sense to identify the experience of the body with the body itself?
IMHO, UG was simply trying to say that the body (with its sensual activity) is in the "mainstream of life" (is life itself), while the sense of "I" is "a squatter there" [UG], conjuring up what is experienced as reality and taking it for truth.
When this is realised and the sense of "I" drops away ("the machinations of the mind have come to a stop" [UG]), what remains can only be described in "pure and simple physical and physiological terms" [UG] -- hence his statement 'I am merely the body'.
There are thousands of people telling you that they *experience* their soul. There are thousands of people nowadays who consciously practice to go out of the first phisical body, and *experience* at will other realitie - and you dismmiss it all.
I'm afraid it is you who is closed in your thoughts. Think about it deeply, if you like...
UG is very revealing to me. As I read and listen to a variety of people talk about this topic it becomes evident that one's personality before such a change profoundly affects one's experience of the change. Compare UG to JK to Ramana to Nisargadatta to Osho to de Mello. Each reflects a special insight and awareness in their own unique way. UG's happened to be somewhat depressive and pessimistic. Ramamna's and de Mello's were filled with love. Osho's seemed to be lust. It's all very interesting.
Now you're assuming. Did my comment really give u the idea that I was stupid? I know very well that he said that the body was IT and that the so-called spiritual world is a hoax. My comment below argues that separating the concept 'body' from the concept 'spirit' is just not tenable. They're correlative concepts in a very basic sense, namely in the sense that subject and object are correlatives. An object is an object FOR a subject. There is no object without a subject.
They're not assumptions, People. It's a philosophical argument. You may agree or disagree, but your comment is hardly helpful. Do you agree with me that a body, or indeed any object, is perceived in consciousness? That its presence, its reality cannot be established outside of consiousness? If that is the case, describing anything merely in terms of material processes is a simplification, an abstraction from the full immediate experience. Useful in science, but not the ultimate truth.
UG was mistaken. Describing his own spiritual development as a merely 'physical phenomenon' makes no sense. The body is always perceived in consciousness, whether we're materialists or not, saint or sinner, we are, if we are anything, consciousness. He has replaced the illusion of spiritual growth through the ego with another illusion, the supposedly disillusioned illusion of just being this physical organism.
His spiritual development was facilitated by purely physical events. When the brain stops (which is the goal of at least half of all spiritual practice), then the normal functioning of the physical senses is powerful enough to fill one with limitless bliss and beauty and love.
the liberation of the senses alone is enough to make one feel as if he is in heaven for the rest of his life.
Hi Diatonic, as I argued before, there are no 'purely physical events'. You can't abstract the physical from the subject who perceives (physical) objects as objects.2. If stopping the brain is 'at least half of all spiritual practice', it's the mistaken half. The brain isn't meamt to be stopped. No one would aspire to stop their kidneys from functioning, or their heart or lungs. The natural way for the brain's activities to subside is during sleep. The brain's just as ok as the senses.
3. "As if" he is in heaven. We ARE in heaven. Maybe UG is speaking from authentic experiences but didn't care too much about expressing himself in a way that is philosophically tenable. I have my doubts however. I think there's something in his manner that reeks of the guru, (arrogant, brooking no contradiction).
IpsaPaphum it's impossible to explain the upper echelon of spiritual experiences in a philosophically tenable way. That can be likened unto describing the sun to a blind person, the only difference being that philosophers are not blind, they refuse to look.
The limitations of language are matched by the limitations of the audience's understanding. You must listen to what he means, not what he says.
What we've witnessed here is an impression of enlightenment of witch there is no equivalent nore are there any parameters to messure qualities of enlightenment like there is no measurement of qualifing art. So...don't compare and be your self.
Yes, and who comes back? It's as if he almost found himself through an exceptional form of psychological asceticism, but then failed to recognize what was left after shedding all his illusions.
He must be very attractive to some people who have to confirm there atheism or materialism...so much so that they even give ears to such a ''teaching''!
Yes, there must be a tremendous change in all the education, yes... for better, not for worst. Where love is, not where ugliness is.
Just hear the other Krishnamurti... saying to the children Beauty is truth!
once you get anywhere with yourself all this is rubbish, words and words, and have no meaning whatsoever. Id much rather watch UG the porno movie than hear this parot.
once you get anywhere with yourself you probably won't be so enchanted with porno, for crying out loud, watching people pleasure themselves...maybe once in a while, if they are happy people, but as a fetish. Hahaha. Get real!
Yes, because he meant that all of those "miracle" visions happenings occult powers etc. was all in the mind, and that mind is a myth according to him.
I've read everything about UG online on his website and it appears that he: had many out of the body experience, had visions of many saints(including Buddha, Jesus), could say past and future of any person just by looking at him/her, in childhood had a ghost friend which appeared everytime he wanted, etc etc. As he said "even if I saw some miracle happen before me, I didn't accept that at all".
Now I have the same feeling that the two Krishnamurtis are like two brothers and that they are saying the same thing.(The skepticism about this tape come beecause UG wanted to leave man hanging with no hope) I would like to see a reply to this made by one of UG friends.
I was not a friend of UG... However I stumbled on this man long time ago when I was seeking JK's teachings.
Even though at first, their words sound the same. These two man could not be any more different. UG's actions were in synch with his words. JK's life contradicted his 'teachings'. There is no path... yet he wanted to teach a new way.
UG, as i see it, emphasizes the absurdity of using the mind, to understand the mind. Whatever analysis we make of our lives prevents us from being alive.
there is another early talk by UG on his site, go to Audio Archive 3, it is called "Talk At Institute-of-world-Culture". check it out. It is also quite extraordinary.
well sir your guess is as good as mine, I kinda like this talk so yes it actually would be nice to know if it is authentic, altough it says that it is
I hate to be the "on duty skeptic" but what it is hard to believe that UG made the imprudence of saying these words. This is an audio tape posted on the official site and the suspicion is that someone faked this tape. Perhaps Mr. Chandrasekhar who in the book "Stopped in our tracks" ( I believe I'm not mistaking the book) writes about one morning when UG spoke about J.K. appearing to him telling him to "water down his teachings".
I see So, apparently you are completely unaware that Oprah Winfrey just finished a 2 month plus online class with Tolle and that 5 million plus people watched the webcast because you are in England and don't get Oprah.And I guess that you are unaware that Tolle's association and acceptance of endorsement by a pop culture TV show host is a huge discredit to him.I assure you, if you are an intelligent man, which I doubt, and were more familiar with Oprah, you would find her endorsement insulting.
easonrevant, Why you are my daddy of course! Actually, I wish I hadn't been such a jerk to haldor. We resolved our differences awhile ago and now combat the same common enemy together. Haldor is one smart cat and I retract all pervious statements that I made here.
haldol, So, now that you are an Oprah Winfrey College graduate with an AA in New-agey Pop Psycholosophy, I wonder what quasi-spiritual "fad wagon" you are planning to climb on next. Perhaps Dr. Phil will have Tom Cruise teach an online class in Scientolgoy. That sounds up the your alley.
Haldol, Oh no I'm not all that annoyed really. I mean, you are probably an annoying person, but throughout my conversation with you and your girlfriend, you have provided me with all the vapidity that I would expect out of your average moron hippie. Very reassuring! Really quite satisfying in some ways. I think my favorite is, "you lost fireplug when you said you didnt read tolle's book." But, coming in at a close second is, "You are just as right as I am and just as wrong" I mean WTF
Y'know, you really have little understanding of these 'wisdom sayings' you like to trot out and your end result is always more redirection and total confusion. Now, tell me that you weren't hitting the pipe again when you thought how poignant and sharp you would sound by just answering "yes."
haldol, "yes"? Really? You think so huh. Well then lets play by your rules and "turn your statement around" You would end up saying the following to yourself: Ehem, "I (haldol) still don't realize that every word I speak in criticism about anyone else is actually addressed to myself." I'm glad that you are humble enough to admit your own lack of understanding concering this. Im just not sure why you need to inform others about something that you admit to being totally ignorant of. Its a puzzler!
In my opinion spirituality is a condition of the heart and cannot be accomplished by study or piety and by looking for the truth you first have to learn to be sincere toward yourself
marcelia3 1 month ago
@marcelia3 ... U.G Krishnamurti, not to be confused with Jiddu Krishnamurti, was quite a character. He was obsessed with knowing "truth." He's definitely not for everyone because of his brash nature. Most seekers who visited him did not find a gentle guru.
Some of his quotes can send you for a loop, they did me anyway but i realize we're all different and he may not appeal to you. I'll send U a link.
withholeyshoes1 1 month ago
@withholeyshoes1 Well the "truth" is usually not very gentle don't you agree? :-) Thanks,I will go to your link
marcelia3 1 month ago
@withholeyshoes1 Well,the "truth"usually isn't very gentle don't you agree? Thanks I will go to your link now
marcelia3 1 month ago
I think I finally have UG figured out. He sought his entire life for enlightenment and never achieved it so he became frustrated and gave up which became his "transition" which is nothing more than another word for enlightenment or freedom. He freed himself from his desires to be free which never should have existed in the first place if he had truly understood the teachings of Buddhism. His story is very similar to the Buddha's which is suspicious indeed. That said I do agree with UG alot
MentalHygieneMusic 2 months ago
@MentalHygieneMusic I disagree. I met him several times, and he definitely was enlightened. I don't think you have begun to understand what enlightenment is.
Vierotchka 1 month ago
still gives me chills
TheMagicEast 2 months ago
got it!!! :)
jasonkc91 3 months ago
um can someone tell me what is the title to the background music?
jasonkc91 3 months ago
there is only this, and trying to explain "IT" which is unexplainable, most people only say- NO! So consumed with everything trying to reach a goal, when it is where your feet are planted... people then walk out the door in search of making their belief tangible find themselves miserable... except for you. U.G. said he is an ordinary man. When you put him on a pedestal, you have made a misery. There are many in this "state" THAT DON'T EVEN KNOW THEY ARE. searching... searching... dead
Oneversal 4 months ago
Ug Krishnamurti is the man!
daysilu 6 months ago
every single being (even though that doesn't exist) who "reaches" "his" state of consciousness will intuitively know that no one has ever done anything. even UGK was a puppet, controled by the whole, or "God" so to say, like my writing right now is being controlled by the wholeness of being, not by "me" - and no one can ever know this, because no one exists separated from this wholeness in which EVERYTHING takes place. need a sleep now.
fossegrim91 7 months ago
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fossegrim91 7 months ago
this background sound still gives his speech a mysterious touch, even though he refuses talking any mystical shit... damn
fossegrim91 7 months ago
Excellent. Thanks U G and you! :-)
advadhuta 7 months ago
'it' must be inevitable then; at that point when one is disposed between volition and passive.
satsumamoon 7 months ago
The single most important message I've ever seen online... and like as he calls him - Krishnamurti says... the word isn't the thing... all the talk about "it"... isn't it at all, but what UG and Jiddu were talking about - talking FOR - was just to point to it... to attempt - with futility most times - to cause a change in someone... to spark something that sets a person on the right path. It IS as if it comes by chance... by luck... and it came here too. And it's nothing like I could've imagined
thaipulsedotcom 8 months ago
@thaipulsedotcom,
So is that chance what we call 'gods will'?
sonofthedestroyer 7 months ago
@sonofthedestroyer good question - no idea... is a god in control of this, or, was it set up by a god? maybe... I'm not one to say... Not one to say one didn't either. For whatever reason - it's available to us. It takes some wisdom to get there... some "work", but it can come quite easily too...
thaipulsedotcom 7 months ago
About the calamity: It sounds like he might have had a stroke. Those appear to be some of the symptoms of a stroke, the inner experience of a stroke. I also wonder if he had studied any of the Western initiates, like Goethe, Rudolf Steiner and paths such as Rosicrucianism. The human is tripartite: Body, Soul and Spirit.
28janya22 8 months ago
U.G. was even more radical then Jiddu. Both from the Theosophist background. I love the way he says the body is supposed to control the intellect and the intellect should defer to the body. The "Children's Cafeteria Experiment" in Psych 101 is evidence of this. We were not intellect dominant as kids and were healthier and happier.
astroyt1 9 months ago
U.G. was even more radical then Jiddu. Both from the Theosophist background. I love the way he says the body is supposed to control the intellect and the intellect should defer to the body. The "Childrens Cafeteria Experiment" in Psych 101 is evidence of this. We were not intellect dominant as kids and were healthier and happier.
astroyt1 9 months ago
He's mono-polar, I guess it's better than bipolar disorder.
ricsenTV 10 months ago
I listen to this clip mainly because it's so cool. It's like a movie trailer the way it builds up. I know it was not intended that way..
heeelmooi 10 months ago
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TheHolyMolyPoly 11 months ago
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Aeranlaes 1 year ago
I do not recommend to push the reset button without a reboot program.
wernertrptube 1 year ago
He speaks about Jiddu in a kinder fashion here, i think he is a very useful guide, although towards the end he went a bit ponky ha ha.
mrmusicclassics 1 year ago
forget it you tube isnt friendly with megg.hg
LMasonBeats 1 year ago
The only way to be "awakened" is by purging what you think all this is about. As long as we form some kind of abstraction, it is instantly unattainable because you are forming a concept out of abstraction someone else has put before you. That is why UG rejected everyone else. Not just because he thought they were wrong, but as long as you are putting someone else "above" you, you are missing the point. his is also why UG says each person is "unique" and "unparalleled" because all things....
LMasonBeats 1 year ago
i like the font...
OceanOfHeart 1 year ago
UG Krishnamurthy is the single greatest person to have walked on earth in the last 4.54 billion years.
rangsar 1 year ago 12
@rangsar That's a huge exaggeration!
Vierotchka 1 month ago
best ug tape
dylanskriloff 1 year ago
Keep chattering away. Idiots.
farisha13 1 year ago
There are no secrets to be shared by UG or Jiddu. He was not nasty, you are nasty and push it on him. He was not bitter with humanity. Secrets, Nasty, Bitter, all these imply knowledge. There is no knowledge involved in this matter. UG was free from all of that. This calamity has nothing to do with conciousness either. There is nothing to understand!
MaverickZ 1 year ago
@MaverickZ
dude, he even looked nasty...denial's a bitch
dylanskriloff 1 year ago
one thing is for sure is if all people where like him the world be conflict free.
bucketbotable 1 year ago
Its sad after the calamity he still mentions the authentic "soul".
The strange thing is that the calamity happened to him the same day after
he went to a JK talk.
UG was an amazing man but he too had his limitations as he did not want
to help people evolve, rather a selfish phenomenon.
JK also was an amazing guy but he talked too much and in the end contradicted himself and never shared the secrets either
nasafakedit 1 year ago
@nasafakedit what is there to help?
twjames18 1 year ago
@twjames18 what are your talking about?
nasafakedit 1 year ago
@nasafakedit you said his limitation was that he didn't want to help people, and my question was - What is there to help? You say people but what exactly do you mean by people. Either you see for yourself that the mind is false or you don't. You want UG to be everybodys crutch to lean on?
twjames18 1 year ago
@twjames18 stop pretending to be a guru lol
what do u know about the mind?
nasafakedit 1 year ago
@nasafakedit I'm not pretending to be a guru, but why exactly do you want UG to help people. I don't understand how you want him to help people. Why don't you help people? As far as the mind, I think there is probably just one mind. How can I say this is my mind when I had to acquire it?
twjames18 1 year ago
@twjames18 i do help people
"..How can I say this is my mind when I had to acquire it? .."
what does that mean in english?
nasafakedit 1 year ago
@nasafakedit I just meant how can I say I have some individual meaning or substance without the knowledge I have gained from others? For example, If you tell a child it is a good one, it has no idea what you are talking about until you tell it what a bad child is. Its the same with Love/Hate, Meaning/Meaningless, etc. Right?
twjames18 1 year ago
@twjames18 stop posting nonsense
What do you know of your mind?
nasafakedit 1 year ago
He obviously "enjoyed" answering the questions regardless of his expression. when the student is ready the teacher appears. take these tools new or not, and like him use thee concepts to continue your high. He couldn't explain it to a deaf man. i'ts an illusion, play with it, or shut the f8ck up & bounce. what you imagine "is" real, though still an illusion. micro/macrocosm>reaction>continuity.
and for real it's a perceptive interpretation>>> we don't know sure constant.
r0xstar69 1 year ago
Sounds like he's full of shit
coolioto 1 year ago
@coolioto
lol, all humans are full of shit
nasafakedit 1 year ago
Funny to me, and to you ... that UG and Osho seemed to have animosities for each other ... While Osho was open to anyone, UG seemed to have no big interest in people to encounter his freedom from systems and believes. Though he obviously was of the same kind and quality, his own way was of a certain bitterness towards beginners and seekers on the path, with whom he felt no friendly or helping mood to trick them into this very moment. But OK.
TomGarn 1 year ago
maybe he was bitter at humanity, thats understandable
nasafakedit 1 year ago
If i listen to one thousand lectures and read one thousand books whilst doing the best i can to be peaceful, then will i recieve complimentary enlightment. No. If enlightment is something that happens to people as if a gift from God as it were and God Being the deliverer of enlightment why not give it to all. It's funny how those that have ended the search due to enlightment are leading those still searching, saying to them... don't follow me.
RealityofThings 1 year ago
who is god?
nasafakedit 1 year ago
@nasafakedit John Doe
RealityofThings 1 year ago
Thank you!
truthbeyondbelief 1 year ago
sorry , i could be wrong but this sounds like j.krishnamurti
sageutube 1 year ago
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Hi sagetube. I watched a fair few vids of JK when I was living at the Krishnamurti centre in England a few years ago (where they have an extensive library of recordings) and his voice, manner, style of reasoning and habitual phrases soon became very familiar to me. The voice and message in this video are definitely from a different person - if there is such a thing :)
criticalbil1 1 year ago
no, it's u.g. he even talks about jiddu krishnamurti here.
Escombo 1 year ago
Thanks for posting! How interesting that people insist on
deconstructing his talks in order to get at his REAL meaning!
realityparticles 2 years ago
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hdgdtrdggd 2 years ago
@hdgdtrdggd Sounds like U.G to me
spiritoftibet777 2 years ago
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hdgdtrdggd 2 years ago
I want this sound track...please..music playing in the background...
324507 2 years ago
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GoldenBoughTrader 2 years ago
UGK is easier to approach and understand when dealing with him on an aphoristic basis. But, to come at him from a systematic point of view is VERY difficult. This, however, is one of the better UGK videos on Youtube. Thanks very much for posting.
GoldenBoughTrader 2 years ago
Yes, a very nice video i hadn't seen/heard before.
Much appreciated-btw if you are truly in such a state-you have way of giving it to another. It is very dangerous in using such words enlightened since it creates a following. Being so concerned of achieving it leads to illusions of being. If you want it you can't have it, if you have it some say "you will not want this".
jdflash 2 years ago
@jdflash
Uh. OK. Why are you responding to me? I made a very specific comment. What does this have to do with what I said?
GoldenBoughTrader 2 years ago
as the word enlightenment exists then surely the state of enlightenment exists too. UG admits to an Awakening. Why can't one call that State Enlightenment? If he refuses to use that word then that implies he knows what enlightenment is. If he doesnt know what it means then why push it aside? Being Awakened surely is to be enlightened? Although the ego is enlightened as it can be when one says 'oh yes now I see what you mean'. No that is not enlightenment. Maybe that is what he meant.
happygolucky2000 2 years ago
if all you wanted was inlightenmet i could give it to you.
but would you do what is realy reqired to get it?
just watch your self constantly, shift your primary attention to looking at your self!
watch your self thinking, working, playing, always just waching. at first you will say ohh''i stoped agen!!! in and out you will go,,,but then you willnot have to think about it one day it will happen all on its oun, and bam!!! you come alive agen, everything new 4 the first time, you are alive.
DANTHETUBEMAN 2 years ago
extra-ordinary video!.... very well done - THANKS!!!
COSMICBUM 2 years ago
I am new at this....he actually shows a lot of respect to K which came as a surprise to me.
So what "good" is this state. JK said that if you don't anchor in this state that you have really wasted your life...UG seems to say....well anyone please help ?
AIMANALI 2 years ago
ug says that this state is an illusion, to get to it by "training" for years (for your live) is a waste of time.
but i think you have to find out youself.
...you are the one who has to decide either to work all your life to get to this very state ("enlightenment") and be disapointed (all your life) if you don't. or you don't want to have such a special goal and so try to be a relaxed person who just wants to be himself.
adragonro 2 years ago
wow totally cool
i've subscribed to you
your papaji one was a delight too
did you add the rain and chanting?
utherenow 2 years ago
I think what is interesting is the difference in his tone by comparison with later lectures. Here, he is more moderate and willing to align his own experiences with classic notions of eastern spirituality. If he is actually awakened, then this shows that the mind can develop considerably from the point of awakening. It's as if, after awakening, the mind ripens.
coolioto 2 years ago 5
UG grew very nasty towards his latter days before he died.
His message was still the same though. Perhaps he got fed up with people asking him the same things over and over
sonofthedestroyer 2 years ago 16
@sonofthedestroyer perhaps, he was negating himself finally and completely,so he could never be set up as a false idol, the final roar of Mahakala
spiritoftibet777 2 years ago
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asana1973 7 months ago
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@sonofthedestroyer Either that...possible that and or... frustration from feeling as if he had failed with those closest to him..or just a feeling like he should have done more...men like him..have been lecturing for ages..and the ones that need to listen to these messages the most usually don't...or they simply aren't getting it...litte has changed..
asana1973 7 months ago
@sonofthedestroyer It is not possible to understand him. From him I learnt to look within.
satsumamoon 7 months ago
exactly, I just watched how he responded to his interview with Byron Katie. Wow, so defensive at the idea of sharing an experience...
rooruffneck 2 years ago
Jed and UG seem not to hesitate in telling the truth without using water to down it down.
dpmduran 2 years ago
who is jed?
joshrain1 2 years ago
Jed McKenna....
dpmduran 2 years ago
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IndividualityMonarch 2 years ago 2
Yes, correct!
dpmduran 2 years ago
Jiddu you mean.
IndividualityMonarch 2 years ago
marvellous! thank you :)
InvisibleNeedle 2 years ago 3
I hear him engage in criticism, a kind of comparison which causes him dislike. A reaching out to discredit another previous mentor. I observe from this speaker these comments that place division between humans. His words abstract a physical experience he describes; and beyond that similar statements to his mentor. However I do not observe any observation from him, of the intellectual processes which dominate the minds focus, and dull the senses so. Do you others see these aspects also?
dougmarkham 2 years ago
Ive been in america a long time,there isnt any with spiritual anything,now the natives,years ago,in that incarnation knew some shit.I gotta lean towards the hindis who live on the fringe, now thats bad ass!
creten69 2 years ago
Juddy wanna be
Cadmusproject 2 years ago
E=Mc2!
007zz 2 years ago
interesting video
can somebody tell me the names of the music in the background, i liked her voice?
cheers
Kemetprince1 2 years ago
One can 'become enlightened gradually' through 'letting go'. Or through the experience of great suffering one can make the sudden 'jump'. At least this is how it is perceived in space/time by the individual. A pile of sand cannot collapse unless it is first built up. Yet it is best not to focus on the build up of the sand nor the collapse. Thoughts are 'transcended' not stopped or rejected. U.G did not with volition try to stop his brain. He spoke from the heart to those ready to understand.
norrisonthespot 2 years ago
U.G. was a unique person, reading about his biography is unbelievable.. he was one of a few, who managed to live without wanting anything,... let him rest in peace.
vlado1308 2 years ago 4
Didn't connect with K until this video talk. Now that is as clear as it gets Thanks for sharing, and helping me to finally understand this man.
dpmduran 2 years ago
This truely is an inspiring and useful talk. Thanks so much AmberFlame1 for posting it. Like Jiddu his spiritual elder brother U.G was I feel in my heart genuinely 'awakened'. My much loved late spiritual teacher Sadhujivin (Mettaloka Sangha)was 'awakened' and often explained to me in the same vein his UNIQUE experience of awakening. I am currently receiving techings from another 'awakened' teacher David Smith (Dharma Mind Group)
norrisonthespot 2 years ago
I don't think he hated JK. He just said "Don't listen to anyone overall." Naturally people want to compare the two and he wouldn't allow it.
rabbitshirt 2 years ago
You cant but thanks for challenging me...:)
im just observing :D
Wulfgar12 3 years ago
I want my banana!
BesACB 3 years ago
Wulfgar12 3 years ago
actually this is the truth i cant believe how people cant see that their unconcious actually..
feel your soul
anyways, bye
Wulfgar12 3 years ago
any negative thought you get from others
can be accepted as a truth from someone else than YOU the one truth..
because I feel negative is here to learn us to be positive,
in all situations.
so if you are positive and one day
find someone making you feel bad,
its just a way of teaching you how to Overcome that negativity so that you can be with it without being affected by it.
happy.
ever
after
Wulfgar12 3 years ago
Exactly right on on absolute truth
TomTIGER69 3 years ago
Superb music. What is it called?
sonofthedestroyer 3 years ago
see description
AmberFlame1 3 years ago
J. Krishnamurti A few days before his death, in a final statement, he emphatically declared that "nobody" - among his associates, or the general public - had understood what had happened to him (as the conduit of the teaching), nor had they understood the teaching itself.
TomTIGER69 3 years ago
It's true.
the ones who comprehend the teaching are the ones that have already experienced it, and therefore don't need to hear it.
Diatonic135 2 years ago
I love this video, UG described that perfect and indescribable state. Thank you! Check out some of my videos also if you like...same theme
ahab1972 3 years ago
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Proverbs 1:24-28
Because I have called and you refused, I have stretched out my hand and no one regarded,
Because you disdained all my counsel, And would have none of my rebuke,
I also will LAUGH at your calamity; I will MOCK when your terror comes
When your terror comes like a storm, And your destruction comes like a whirlwind, When distress and anguish come upon you
enddoggmanow 3 years ago
You can't say that about Ipsa's views, People, because judging by your comments, you HAVEN'T GOT A CLUE what Ipsa's saying. And you haven't got the good sense to admit it.
BesACB 3 years ago
Asylum SENSES (he's got enough mother wit for that) that Ipsa doesn't agree with revered master UG (how or why is beyond him) and out come the buzzwords 'brainwashed', you're this and you're that. Pathetic little devotee.
BesACB 3 years ago
"You are using logic to continue the separative structure, that is all. Your questions are again thoughts and therefore reactive. All thought is reactive. You are desperately protecting this armor, this shield of thought, and are frightened that the movement of life might smash your frontiers."
1noen1 3 years ago
Ipsa, this asylumguy is out of his depth and doesn't know it. I think he is perfectly sincere in calling you pseudo-intellectual. He honestly hasn't got a clue what you're talking about. :)
BesACB 3 years ago
Lol, a not too bright guy, armed with a shibboleth (UG SAID). But what do you do when someone finally says "Let's talk about the issue". You think (sigh): Let's try one more time!
IpsaPaphum 3 years ago
Never argue with a disciple! ;)
BesACB 3 years ago
Apparently, UG Krishnamurti may not be contradicted, or Peopleasylum will start moaning about 'lying gurus' and will keep repeating what UG said without a single time addressing any of the arguments. I didn't appeal to any authority, PA. That's your hangup.
IpsaPaphum 3 years ago 4
1. Ok, let's. My previous comments were all trying to make the very same point, so I could refer u to them or make the same point again in a different way. Here goes: people can claim they're merely the body, the physical organism, the play of atoms/molecules, but they can never step outside their own consciousness. U can cut off ur legs or cut out ur liver and still look at urself and call urself urself. U CAN'T shut down ur consciousness and still regard urself as urself. The reason why.....
IpsaPaphum 3 years ago 6
2....this is often overlooked is because it's so basic that it almost becomes banal or at least strikes us as banal and uninteresting. But it's still true, I think. And that's why I think it's simply not correct to say (or absurd rather) 'I am merely the body'. The 'you' is always simply where 'you' are and how 'you' are and when 'you' are, namely in the conscious experience of 'you'. Does it make sense to identify the experience of the body with the body itself?
IpsaPaphum 3 years ago 5
IMHO, UG was simply trying to say that the body (with its sensual activity) is in the "mainstream of life" (is life itself), while the sense of "I" is "a squatter there" [UG], conjuring up what is experienced as reality and taking it for truth.
When this is realised and the sense of "I" drops away ("the machinations of the mind have come to a stop" [UG]), what remains can only be described in "pure and simple physical and physiological terms" [UG] -- hence his statement 'I am merely the body'.
scrubks 3 years ago
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just like UG ur all a bunch of asslicking homosexual dogs
homoporno 3 years ago
peopleasylum
There are thousands of people telling you that they *experience* their soul. There are thousands of people nowadays who consciously practice to go out of the first phisical body, and *experience* at will other realitie - and you dismmiss it all.
I'm afraid it is you who is closed in your thoughts. Think about it deeply, if you like...
encoberta 3 years ago
UG is very revealing to me. As I read and listen to a variety of people talk about this topic it becomes evident that one's personality before such a change profoundly affects one's experience of the change. Compare UG to JK to Ramana to Nisargadatta to Osho to de Mello. Each reflects a special insight and awareness in their own unique way. UG's happened to be somewhat depressive and pessimistic. Ramamna's and de Mello's were filled with love. Osho's seemed to be lust. It's all very interesting.
benway813 3 years ago 4
Have u even tried to understand me? Or is everything that you don't understand by definition PSEUDO-intellectual?
IpsaPaphum 3 years ago 4
Now you're assuming. Did my comment really give u the idea that I was stupid? I know very well that he said that the body was IT and that the so-called spiritual world is a hoax. My comment below argues that separating the concept 'body' from the concept 'spirit' is just not tenable. They're correlative concepts in a very basic sense, namely in the sense that subject and object are correlatives. An object is an object FOR a subject. There is no object without a subject.
IpsaPaphum 3 years ago 3
if you die,,the hole body dies, not just a part of it. so we must live in the entire body.
DANTHETUBEMAN 2 years ago
They're not assumptions, People. It's a philosophical argument. You may agree or disagree, but your comment is hardly helpful. Do you agree with me that a body, or indeed any object, is perceived in consciousness? That its presence, its reality cannot be established outside of consiousness? If that is the case, describing anything merely in terms of material processes is a simplification, an abstraction from the full immediate experience. Useful in science, but not the ultimate truth.
IpsaPaphum 3 years ago 3
UG was mistaken. Describing his own spiritual development as a merely 'physical phenomenon' makes no sense. The body is always perceived in consciousness, whether we're materialists or not, saint or sinner, we are, if we are anything, consciousness. He has replaced the illusion of spiritual growth through the ego with another illusion, the supposedly disillusioned illusion of just being this physical organism.
IpsaPaphum 3 years ago 4
UG was not mistaken, IpsaPaphum.
His spiritual development was facilitated by purely physical events. When the brain stops (which is the goal of at least half of all spiritual practice), then the normal functioning of the physical senses is powerful enough to fill one with limitless bliss and beauty and love.
the liberation of the senses alone is enough to make one feel as if he is in heaven for the rest of his life.
Diatonic135 2 years ago
Hi Diatonic, as I argued before, there are no 'purely physical events'. You can't abstract the physical from the subject who perceives (physical) objects as objects.2. If stopping the brain is 'at least half of all spiritual practice', it's the mistaken half. The brain isn't meamt to be stopped. No one would aspire to stop their kidneys from functioning, or their heart or lungs. The natural way for the brain's activities to subside is during sleep. The brain's just as ok as the senses.
IpsaPaphum 2 years ago
3. "As if" he is in heaven. We ARE in heaven. Maybe UG is speaking from authentic experiences but didn't care too much about expressing himself in a way that is philosophically tenable. I have my doubts however. I think there's something in his manner that reeks of the guru, (arrogant, brooking no contradiction).
IpsaPaphum 2 years ago
IpsaPaphum it's impossible to explain the upper echelon of spiritual experiences in a philosophically tenable way. That can be likened unto describing the sun to a blind person, the only difference being that philosophers are not blind, they refuse to look.
The limitations of language are matched by the limitations of the audience's understanding. You must listen to what he means, not what he says.
Diatonic135 2 years ago 2
If you are familiar with UG this is him.
PatrickNSAL 3 years ago
People who hate UG are lost in the woods...
homoporno 3 years ago
What we've witnessed here is an impression of enlightenment of witch there is no equivalent nore are there any parameters to messure qualities of enlightenment like there is no measurement of qualifing art. So...don't compare and be your self.
perothing 3 years ago 2
I can only pity him, this guy. He lost God - he lost his intelligence also!
He searched, and then he comes back to say there's nothing... only a body. Hahahahaha, let me laugh. What nonsense, what sheer nonsense.
encoberta 3 years ago 5
Yes, and who comes back? It's as if he almost found himself through an exceptional form of psychological asceticism, but then failed to recognize what was left after shedding all his illusions.
IpsaPaphum 3 years ago 5
This guy is the opposite of what happens when we're coming closer to God - that we're full of love.
Without love there's no possibility that anything whatsoever on this earth gets better at all. Only an even greater disaster.
God is that Love. God is the very Goodness, the very Conscioussness.
encoberta 3 years ago
He must be very attractive to some people who have to confirm there atheism or materialism...so much so that they even give ears to such a ''teaching''!
Yes, there must be a tremendous change in all the education, yes... for better, not for worst. Where love is, not where ugliness is.
Just hear the other Krishnamurti... saying to the children Beauty is truth!
encoberta 3 years ago
if you don't have a capacity to understand it, don't comment, you're just showing the shallowness of your thinking.
vlado1308 3 years ago
same shit.
different asshole.
alllman2000 3 years ago
once you get anywhere with yourself all this is rubbish, words and words, and have no meaning whatsoever. Id much rather watch UG the porno movie than hear this parot.
homoporno 3 years ago
once you get anywhere with yourself you probably won't be so enchanted with porno, for crying out loud, watching people pleasure themselves...maybe once in a while, if they are happy people, but as a fetish. Hahaha. Get real!
dylanskriloff 3 years ago
"Its better to masturbate than to meditate" UG.K
homoporno 3 years ago
woot!
ananm1 3 years ago
Everything thought is a lie, including this one.
Dooality 3 years ago
well made amberflame1. nicely done.
thurlesubba 3 years ago 4
Yes, because he meant that all of those "miracle" visions happenings occult powers etc. was all in the mind, and that mind is a myth according to him.
DivineNatureAwakens 3 years ago
I've read everything about UG online on his website and it appears that he: had many out of the body experience, had visions of many saints(including Buddha, Jesus), could say past and future of any person just by looking at him/her, in childhood had a ghost friend which appeared everytime he wanted, etc etc. As he said "even if I saw some miracle happen before me, I didn't accept that at all".
forgottencure 3 years ago
it was of no importance he said
DivineNatureAwakens 3 years ago
Now I have the same feeling that the two Krishnamurtis are like two brothers and that they are saying the same thing.(The skepticism about this tape come beecause UG wanted to leave man hanging with no hope) I would like to see a reply to this made by one of UG friends.
3raskolnikov3 3 years ago
I was not a friend of UG... However I stumbled on this man long time ago when I was seeking JK's teachings.
Even though at first, their words sound the same. These two man could not be any more different. UG's actions were in synch with his words. JK's life contradicted his 'teachings'. There is no path... yet he wanted to teach a new way.
UG, as i see it, emphasizes the absurdity of using the mind, to understand the mind. Whatever analysis we make of our lives prevents us from being alive.
Chalchis123 3 years ago 5
I think he emphasized that mind is a mere illusion, and that there is nothing to understand about that mind because it is a myth...
BuddhaAmnesia 3 years ago
They are not saying the same thing they are using different concepts to point to that ONE same
BuddhaAmnesia 3 years ago
Ok you made a very precise comment. Still my question stads on its own : Did UG actuallly recorded this tape or it's a fake tape?
3raskolnikov3 3 years ago
there is another early talk by UG on his site, go to Audio Archive 3, it is called "Talk At Institute-of-world-Culture". check it out. It is also quite extraordinary.
1amFake 3 years ago
well sir your guess is as good as mine, I kinda like this talk so yes it actually would be nice to know if it is authentic, altough it says that it is
BuddhaAmnesia 3 years ago
I hate to be the "on duty skeptic" but what it is hard to believe that UG made the imprudence of saying these words. This is an audio tape posted on the official site and the suspicion is that someone faked this tape. Perhaps Mr. Chandrasekhar who in the book "Stopped in our tracks" ( I believe I'm not mistaking the book) writes about one morning when UG spoke about J.K. appearing to him telling him to "water down his teachings".
3raskolnikov3 3 years ago
Beautiful! So what happened to this guy?
IamThatyam 3 years ago
yes what happened indeed.
BuddhaAmnesia 3 years ago
another interesting take by UG!
don't give a shit either way, though
i do get alot out of anything i explore, flower language or not :)
luv both J. and U.G., they were and still are both unique and awesome teachers (not gurus)
thanks for posting this
monkeysdemons 3 years ago
haldol, Not sure why you haven't seen my age on my profile. I work for the state too.
fireplug111 3 years ago
I see So, apparently you are completely unaware that Oprah Winfrey just finished a 2 month plus online class with Tolle and that 5 million plus people watched the webcast because you are in England and don't get Oprah.And I guess that you are unaware that Tolle's association and acceptance of endorsement by a pop culture TV show host is a huge discredit to him.I assure you, if you are an intelligent man, which I doubt, and were more familiar with Oprah, you would find her endorsement insulting.
fireplug111 3 years ago
hey fireplug: who is your daddy, and what does he do?
easonrevant 3 years ago
easonrevant, Why you are my daddy of course! Actually, I wish I hadn't been such a jerk to haldor. We resolved our differences awhile ago and now combat the same common enemy together. Haldor is one smart cat and I retract all pervious statements that I made here.
fireplug111 3 years ago
haldol, So, now that you are an Oprah Winfrey College graduate with an AA in New-agey Pop Psycholosophy, I wonder what quasi-spiritual "fad wagon" you are planning to climb on next. Perhaps Dr. Phil will have Tom Cruise teach an online class in Scientolgoy. That sounds up the your alley.
fireplug111 3 years ago
Haldol, Oh no I'm not all that annoyed really. I mean, you are probably an annoying person, but throughout my conversation with you and your girlfriend, you have provided me with all the vapidity that I would expect out of your average moron hippie. Very reassuring! Really quite satisfying in some ways. I think my favorite is, "you lost fireplug when you said you didnt read tolle's book." But, coming in at a close second is, "You are just as right as I am and just as wrong" I mean WTF
fireplug111 3 years ago
That high road your on is really a valley pal.
fireplug111 3 years ago
Or in other words, you're completely retarded.
fireplug111 3 years ago
Y'know, you really have little understanding of these 'wisdom sayings' you like to trot out and your end result is always more redirection and total confusion. Now, tell me that you weren't hitting the pipe again when you thought how poignant and sharp you would sound by just answering "yes."
fireplug111 3 years ago
haldol, "yes"? Really? You think so huh. Well then lets play by your rules and "turn your statement around" You would end up saying the following to yourself: Ehem, "I (haldol) still don't realize that every word I speak in criticism about anyone else is actually addressed to myself." I'm glad that you are humble enough to admit your own lack of understanding concering this. Im just not sure why you need to inform others about something that you admit to being totally ignorant of. Its a puzzler!
fireplug111 3 years ago
Haldor72, are you not yourself making a critical assessment when you say that another's criticism "is actually addressed to yourself."?
fireplug111 3 years ago
Great presentation! Wonderful to hear him talking like this . A real, "Useless Guy".
blufire33 3 years ago 2
If you've read myth of mind, you could be interested by the writings of FM Alexander