1) true that one shud not use "JEWS"when talk about "Israel" because its secular .
but its like India is hindu land . that way so be liberal and accept it jews maketh the Israel.
2) zion is not terrorist but one of the best religion like hindu and christians if some one hates zion or hindu or christians then he is real evil. and if any oneof these hate each other they have no political mind.who donthave it cannevr be friend to anyone.even friendship needs balance.
may i get some jew friends ? i am true as truth honest as honesty and patriot i am an indian if u ask my religion born hindu . i love busienss i do it . and a revoltuionry who haveoly one dream to rule world anyhow. iam hated because iam ambitious . our old saying make friends then equal status. but nothinglike that but yes in realit it helps./ ALSO I HAVE TO FORM POL PARTY WORLDWIDE .SO WANT ALLIES OR PEOPLE WHO HAVE VISION OR WANT GOODOF THEIR COUTNRY SUCH PEOPLE I ALWAYS SEARCH .
One of the most beautiful and exciting place on earth. The Birthplace of the the monotheistic religions. The core of Western religion and Western society.
As Isaiah prophesied in Chapter 2: 3 And many peoples shall go and say: 'Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and He will teach us of His ways, and we will walk in His paths.' For out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
my parents went to croatia, italy, france, israel. and egypt 1 week ago. There favorites were croatia and israel (completely green). They said egypt was such a poor shithole; people were living on the streets on the dirt.
@123zero123abc123 arabs stole palestine from the romans after the fall of rome who stole it from the jews in the judeo-roman wars. all we did was take it back the same way the arabs took it after the fall of rome. only difference is we had it first. also we have the best looking women
@ihmen You claim that you people where the first in Palestine do you have any proof other then your bible no you simply do not also what do you mean by "we" had it first who your great great 1 hour latter great grandfather ? so you claim you own Palestine because your great grandfather might have lived in it thousand and thousand of years ago do you know the meaning of logic ? and we have the best looking women ok lol to bad you guys got the ugliest looking men as well.
@123zero123abc123 the ruins of the ancient jewish temples is proof we were there before anyone else. there is no ruins underneath those so they were the first city built there. it got named palestine by the romans as a roman state which was inhabited by romans (not arabs). then in the 7th century after the fall of rome the arabs stole it from the real palestinians, then in the 20th century we took it back from the arabs. it was never theirs, they just took it from the romans
If you think about the amounts of children murdered by jews in Palestine. the jewish establishment in the middle-east has claimed thousands of victims. If the jewish population was NOT reduced imagine just how many people would be suffering now? Look at Gaza for goodness sake.
Well, despite you being a racist scum, I will respond. No one ever takes into account all the Israelis killed by Arabs, before Gaza, before 67, before 48. No one cares but us, and we will stand strong against both animals like this guy, and against the new antisemites, brainwashed by propaganda and hate.
Why? They are non-democracies, anti human-rights, muslim fundamentalists who are hell bent on Israel's destruction. Why should we care about their lies?
@mirilion79 The Gaza Flotilla boats were not bent on Israel's destruction. In fact all they wanted is to deliver food and supplies to Gaza but Israel killed (and several at point blank range) at least 10 people. Israel then stole the video evidence and lied about the details.
I understand, like many people around the world, you automatically treat Israeli announcements as lies, even though we are a self-criticizing democracy, while treating the Islamic fundamentalists as truth-speakers, even though they are allowed to use lies and propaganda as part of their barbaric and unending Jihad.
Have you ever asked yourself why there was trouble ONLY on the Marmara?
Of course not. Why think when you can blame Israel?
@mirilion79 I don't automatically treat Israeli or Palestinian announcements as anything but try to corroborate by independent sources. And Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and Doctors without Borders help corrobrate the story.
Israel denies entry for Doctors Without Borders, Oxfam, Save the Children, etc.
watch?v=bCIzN_cxmbM
Israel Destroys UN Headquarters in Gaza
watch?v=ch1G8doybSc
Israeli Media Blackout Protest Against Gaza Flotilla Massacre
Israel has no reason to allow known anti-Israeli and pro-arab organizations into it's territories. There are clear videos showing the terrorists preparing weapons, attacking the troops, while the camera shows PAINT GUN ROUNDS as blood. You claim these are doctored without proof, and then change the subject? Why is that?
In addition, where were you when the Hamas bombed our cities for years? Of course we have the right to retaliate, and the UN HQ was destroyed because Hamas used the area (with the full support of the UN, i'm sure, although there's never any proof) as launching grounds. Israel apologized for that and payed a fee, even though it was done in perfect accord with all war laws. We have a right to protect our lives against Islamic fundamentalists.
@mirilion79 Hamas offered a cease fire several times but Israel breaks the cease fire. Israel has never lifted the blockade even when there was a cease fire in effect. They even blocked food and humanitarian supplies from Gaza.
Israel breaks cease fire July 2, 2008
haaretzXcom/hasen/spages/997665Xhtml
After 43 years of occupation, Israel has lost the right to be called a state of law
And as for the protests, you are totally wrong. There was a huge protest (of Israeli leftists and their pro-arab friends, carrying Turkish flags in the middle of Tel Aviv) a few days after, and it was all right there on the news, available for everyone.
Oh, I noticed the cry on your site against APARTHEID, which is one of the most brainless cries pro-arabs pick up. You know there are Arab parliament members in Israel, right? Even though there proudly proclaim themselves Palestinian and oppose Israel on every turn, delegitimizing and demonizing us, they still serve freely as elected members of the Knesset (parliament). Another little known fact - the wall, with all it's injustices, managed to stop the horrible SUICIDE BOMBINGS.
@mirilion79 I am not defending the Palestinians that attack Israel but they are not all the same. Just as not all Jews are the same: Starving 700k Children Is Not My Judaism 8rVICjC0t-Y Richard Falk: "Shameful Thing" in Gaza ynK2sIe9rwI Australian Jews Stand Up To Israeli Apartheid beFCpXLZXB4 Israeli Tells about Apartheid Israel 8m9rWBI3o0w Goldstone: Israel's Invasion of Gaza IDM5VxrOnwo Finkelstein: Israel is a Lunatic State VzxgpLEEnYs
Of course, liberal artists like Roger Walters don't really care about LITTLE ISRAELI KIDS GROWING IN FEAR OR PREGNANT WOMEN BLOWING UP. They just want to have their pictures taken, raising a hammer against the wall. You hypocrites make me sick, just sick. Israel is strong, and it will continue to defend itself against physical enemies, and against murderous (or suicidal) pro-Arab liberals such as yourself.
1. Who is talking about Roger Walters? How is he related to what I was saying?
2. Yes, Israel will defend itself against an 85 year old holocaust survivor, American ambassador Ann Rice, 2 German politicians, 17 members of parliament from Ireland, Bulgaria and Sweden and a Nobel Peace Prize recipient - all passengers Gaza Flotilla.
You are a liar and a manipulator. The fact that you fight so hard to bring links and proof, and yet forget to mention the IHH activists on the Marmara, shows who you really are. Israel broke the cease fire? And as proof you bring broken links to Haaretz, the most anti-Israeli newspaper in the country?
Israel broke no ceasefire. You have no proof. Every country has a legal right to act against an invading ship in international waters if it's destination is known - except Israel.
@mirilion79 You offered no links and no proof. I offered links from many different sources. The fact that you don't have the intelligence to use the link is not my problem.
If the ship is in International waters and is not going to your country then by definition, it is not "invading." You really do need a brain transplant.
@mirilion79 Again, the blockade predated Hamas winning the election. So you can't blame them for blockade. Furthermore you cannot block food, school books, crayons, etc. Things which Israel was doing. Then Israel breaks cease fires:
Israel breaks cease fire July 2, 2008
haaretzXcom/hasen/spages/997665Xhtml
After 43 years of occupation, Israel has lost the right to be called a state of law
@saadasim Israel of course do not blame only Hamas in the naval blockade, but also the fact that put weapons are transferred into Gaza without Hamas in government or with, which greatly endangers our security.
In the past Israel has blocked what you said, but has already announced the ease of the blockade and now the only thing that cannot be entered Gaza is weapons.
huffingtonpost (dot) com/2010/06/20/israel-eases-gaza-blockade_n_618716 (dot) html
Blockade predated the Hamas? Amazing, maybe because THE ATTACKS PREDATED THE HAMAS?! I have no more willpower to debate this with you. Have a nice week.
Hamas did offer "ceasefires", to re-arm itself, as it has done several times in the past. Israel has the right to defend the lives of it's citizens, disregarding blatant Arab lies and propaganda.
The video clearly shows that the only shots fired before boarding the boat where PAINT SHOTS. PAINT. But wait, why do I even bother, yours is the way of lies and deceit, as is written in the Koran. You can continue your fight, but know that Israel will always stand vigilant.
@mirilion79 Even with cease fire, Israel restrict arms from coming into Gaza. All Palestinians want is to let them fish and farm on their waters and on their land which Israel denies them. Then it also denies food, school books, crayons, etc. all in the name of self defense.
Why shoot paint shots before boarding? It doesn't make sense. And how would the passengers know that IDF is not using real guns and defend themselves further? You, sir, are the one full of lies.
Oh please, "why shoot paint"?! are you insane? We obviously Didn't want to HURT anyone!!! You use every excuse to demonize us.
These same poor Palestinians elected the Hamas AFTER ISRAEL LEFT GAZA FOREVER. Everything sent through goes right to Hamas stopiles, NOT TO THE POPULATION. The Hamas wants to exetend Palestinian suffering in order to preserve the Jihad against Israel. We still have to supple them with electricity, though. ELECTRICITY.
@mirilion79 You didn't want to hurt anyone but you killed 9 and injured many more for the act of bringing food and humanitarian supplies to Gaza! Many you killed, you killed at point blank range while they were lying down. Many you injured you did not allow doctors on board to tend to them even though doctors on board tended to your wounded and crying IDF soldiers without their weapons. I don't demonize Israel. Facts demonize Israel.
After Israel left Gaza and Lebanon, we expected peace. Instead we got brutally attacked by the Hizballah and the Hamas, using rockets and horrible, inhuman suicide bombings and other terror attacks. This went on for YEARS, with people like you silently cheering them on. It's only natural that now, when Israel defends itself, you cry out, spreading blatant lies using poorly-edited photographs and videos. It won't help you, we are here to stay.
@mirilion79 But you never left Gaza or Lebanon. You still occupy Lebanon and you regularly attack Gaza and prevent Gazans from leaving for medical care. You have Gaza as you personal outdoor prison.
If you stop telling lies, I'll stop telling the truth about Israel.
1. You said Israel left Lebanon. Now you admit that you occupy part of Lebanon. Plus Israel routinely violates Lebanese airspace.
2. You said you left Gaza. But you never ended the Naval Blockade. A Naval Blockade is an act of war. So Israel never left Gaza in peace. Even now Israel shoots anyone who comes within a mile of the Apartheid Wall. So not only does the wall occupy Gaza land, you take a mile more. And then Israel routinely violates Gazan's airspace also.
@saadasim 1. We don't need a piece of land from Lebanon. The problem is that we should leave there with guarantee that Hezbollah won't take place and attack us from there. You understand? Now that we left you see what happened. Israel will do everything for the security of its citizens, in this case northern residents.
2. This is not aimed to be apartheid, you see there are plenty of Arabs inside Israel. Problem is that almost all from Gaza to Israel are terrorists. Who needs to work has a permit to cross the checkpoints. Believe me that Israel will do everything to get rid of Gaza. The siege is not a siege but actually a filtering system of arms. Everything can be transferred into Gaza, but through Israel, because that's the only way to make sure there are no weapons there.
@idanrm I just showed you that Israel's blockade of food and humanitarian supplies is illegal by any standards and Israel has never let up on the blockade even when there were no rockets being fired. I have no problem with Israel building an Apartheid Wall but it should do it on its own land not on others land and then start shooting at anyone who comes within a mile range of it.
@saadasim I want you to tell me what's our interest to do this? Whatever done in Gaza by Israel is for maintaining Israel's national security. I don't know who told you that Israel has built a wall inside Gaza. Before the checkpoints, every day I heard on the news about three buses that terrorists committed suicide with an explosive belt in them, and of course Israel can not afford 15-20 deaths a day. Hope that this reality will change one day and we'll be able to afford a border without a wall.
@saadasim Not that I understood what you asked, but if you ask about the occupied territories, then Israel should certainly give them back, but should be a promise it would not become a hotbed of terrorists like Gaza is. So now peace talks are held to reach a permanent solution. Regarding the settlements, I'm afraid the Prime Minister continues them against his will because if not, a large number of right-wing cabinet members will topple his government.
@idanrm The Arab peace plan of 2002 offered full recognition of Israel with security if Israel would live in peace with its neighbors. Israel refused to accept or even offer a counter proposal to the peace plan. The best peace is when you do trade with your neighbors because then you both have a stake in stability. That is what Turkey is doing and it's economy has grown. But I agree with you, part of the problem is extremist on both sides.
@saadasim I'll tell you the truth, it annoys me. I remember when I heard the news about this proposal I and all Israel rejoiced. That's what we want. Peaceful relations with our Arab neighbors is a vision of us all. I remember at that time got a lot of voices saying that Israel should follow this suggestion and even initiate. I think the problem is that the proposal sought to return the Arab refugees, which of course is worth the destruction of the Israel.
@saadasim Israel made a mistake by that and I hope that the current opportunity, the peace talks with Mahmoud Abbas, will lead to a better future for all of us.
@idanrm How can Abbas effect peace when Israel is still evicting Arabs and still build apartheid colonies in the West Bank? Furthermore Hamas, the official winner of the democratic elections is not even invited to negotiation talks.
How can Israel effect peace when Abbas still demans a Palestine that will cover all of Israel? Furthermore, how do people want one country free of Jews, and one country with Jews and Arabs, and to be taken seriously?
@mirilion79 You really are a moron! Where does Abbas say he wants a Palestine that will cover all of Israel? Who wants a country free of Jews? Free of Israel maybe but not necessarily free of Jews. Jews used to live peacefully in Palestine before Israel.
Gaza has a border with Egypt, without a connection to Israel. Please, when you deal with all the other facts that disprove your claims, deal with this fact too.
@mirilion79 According to the Oslo Peace Accords, Egypt has to agree also to a blockade of Gaza. Israel also monitors that crossing. Furthermore, Egypt is ruled by dictatorship which is actually worse than Israel.
Israel is not afraid anymore. We will answer violence with violence, as can be seen on the Marmara. You still didn't answer why all the other ships docked peacefully, while the one with the IHH terror activists was hit hard. Your real aim is to destroy Israel, you and your people do not want peace, and slowly people in Israel, Europe and the US are waking up from their liberal dreams.
@mirilion79 Of course Israel is not afraid anymore. It can do anything it wants and if anyone complains then pull out the old anti-semite or self-hating Jew card. Israel with the assistance of AIPAC can do whatever it wants and no one will dare raise a finger against it. Heck, politicians in US have to pledge their allegiance to Israel in order to get elected but Arabs in their own land have to also pledge allegiance to Israel no matter that they are second hand citizens there.
I did my best. Arabs tried so hard to kill us all, now you have just shifted gears. Some still try to fire rockets into Israel, and at the same time others like you whine about how cruel we are.
The facts are these: You are one of the new anti-semites. You twist and lie and ommit facts to make it suit your world view. Israel isn't perfect, but it has the right to defend itself against muslim terror attacks. When the terror stops, the blockade will end.
They want all Israel, they want everything, and they say so ALL THE TIME. The fact that you try to present me as a liar will not change the truth. The Arab world will never stop using the Palestinians as an excuse to gain political power, it's their interest to keep them poor and fighting. They die so that Arab leaders can gain more power, and that's how you like it. Instead of blaming others for your trouble, first have a good look into yourself.
@mirilion79 You have been exposed as a liar and a deceiver. The Arab peace plan of 2002 offered full recognition of Israel with security if Israel would live in peace with its neighbors. Israel refused to accept or even offer a counter proposal to the peace plan. The best peace is when you do trade with your neighbors because then you both have a stake in stability. That is what Turkey is doing and it's economy is growing without American welfare money.
ha ha ha ha ha okay i respect muslims of israel becaus eisrael ismy love so evry israel shudbe respected justice demands it and so i say it.
PRIMOSFUDGE 10 months ago
1) true that one shud not use "JEWS"when talk about "Israel" because its secular .
but its like India is hindu land . that way so be liberal and accept it jews maketh the Israel.
2) zion is not terrorist but one of the best religion like hindu and christians if some one hates zion or hindu or christians then he is real evil. and if any oneof these hate each other they have no political mind.who donthave it cannevr be friend to anyone.even friendship needs balance.
PRIMOSFUDGE 10 months ago
may i get some jew friends ? i am true as truth honest as honesty and patriot i am an indian if u ask my religion born hindu . i love busienss i do it . and a revoltuionry who haveoly one dream to rule world anyhow. iam hated because iam ambitious . our old saying make friends then equal status. but nothinglike that but yes in realit it helps./ ALSO I HAVE TO FORM POL PARTY WORLDWIDE .SO WANT ALLIES OR PEOPLE WHO HAVE VISION OR WANT GOODOF THEIR COUTNRY SUCH PEOPLE I ALWAYS SEARCH .
PRIMOSFUDGE 10 months ago
Now THAT is a Pop-Up Book!
IWannabeJew 1 year ago
Who is the enemy here?
YOU SHOULD NOT USE THE TERM "THE JEWS" WHEN SPEAKING ABOUT ISRAEL.
Israel is a terrorist ZIONIST state.
Israel CLAIMS to be the state of the Jews but it isn't. It only brings them SHAME.
Zion is the Judaic "promised laned"
...BUT ZIONISTS WANT IT NOW... ...AND WILL FLATTEN ANYTHING IN THEIR PATH. They wish to FORCE the hand of God.
WRITE to the Whitehouse & Number 10
MAKE them take action
Break Israel's aparteid
BlackRoof 1 year ago
One of the most beautiful and exciting place on earth. The Birthplace of the the monotheistic religions. The core of Western religion and Western society.
As Isaiah prophesied in Chapter 2: 3 And many peoples shall go and say: 'Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and He will teach us of His ways, and we will walk in His paths.' For out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
HolylandIsraelTours 1 year ago 3
my parents went to croatia, italy, france, israel. and egypt 1 week ago. There favorites were croatia and israel (completely green). They said egypt was such a poor shithole; people were living on the streets on the dirt.
redarrowhead2 1 year ago
Go to hell Israel there is only Palestine all that this video showed is Palestine land
123zero123abc123 1 year ago
@123zero123abc123 arabs stole palestine from the romans after the fall of rome who stole it from the jews in the judeo-roman wars. all we did was take it back the same way the arabs took it after the fall of rome. only difference is we had it first. also we have the best looking women
ihmen 1 year ago
@ihmen You claim that you people where the first in Palestine do you have any proof other then your bible no you simply do not also what do you mean by "we" had it first who your great great 1 hour latter great grandfather ? so you claim you own Palestine because your great grandfather might have lived in it thousand and thousand of years ago do you know the meaning of logic ? and we have the best looking women ok lol to bad you guys got the ugliest looking men as well.
123zero123abc123 1 year ago
@123zero123abc123 the ruins of the ancient jewish temples is proof we were there before anyone else. there is no ruins underneath those so they were the first city built there. it got named palestine by the romans as a roman state which was inhabited by romans (not arabs). then in the 7th century after the fall of rome the arabs stole it from the real palestinians, then in the 20th century we took it back from the arabs. it was never theirs, they just took it from the romans
ihmen 1 year ago
If you think about the amounts of children murdered by jews in Palestine. the jewish establishment in the middle-east has claimed thousands of victims. If the jewish population was NOT reduced imagine just how many people would be suffering now? Look at Gaza for goodness sake.
jew2Hitler 1 year ago
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mirilion79 1 year ago
@jew2Hitler
Well, despite you being a racist scum, I will respond. No one ever takes into account all the Israelis killed by Arabs, before Gaza, before 67, before 48. No one cares but us, and we will stand strong against both animals like this guy, and against the new antisemites, brainwashed by propaganda and hate.
mirilion79 1 year ago
I definitely will come back to Israel to see some of this, really interesting.
pyramidelm 1 year ago
Why is there so much anti-Zionism on the internet?
BECAUSE WE SEE THROUGH YOU!!!
Is World War 2 not over?
IF NOT, I HAVE TO MURDER SOME FRENCH FOR 1066
Let's do the old "eye for an eye" test.
Who's account isn't paid up yet!
ZIONIST ISRAEL, YOUR ACCOUNT IS CLOSED UNTIL YOU'VE PAID ME BACK THE BLOOD YOU'VE SPILLED!!!
YOU ARE THE CRY BABY MURDERERS. You plead for pity whilst decimating civilian neighbourhoods, killing civilians and children.
I CURSE YOU!
BlackRoof 1 year ago
Now if it could just make peace with its neighbors it would be worth visiting.
saadasim 1 year ago
@saadasim
Why? They are non-democracies, anti human-rights, muslim fundamentalists who are hell bent on Israel's destruction. Why should we care about their lies?
mirilion79 1 year ago
@mirilion79 The Gaza Flotilla boats were not bent on Israel's destruction. In fact all they wanted is to deliver food and supplies to Gaza but Israel killed (and several at point blank range) at least 10 people. Israel then stole the video evidence and lied about the details.
saadasim 1 year ago
@saadasim
I understand, like many people around the world, you automatically treat Israeli announcements as lies, even though we are a self-criticizing democracy, while treating the Islamic fundamentalists as truth-speakers, even though they are allowed to use lies and propaganda as part of their barbaric and unending Jihad.
Have you ever asked yourself why there was trouble ONLY on the Marmara?
Of course not. Why think when you can blame Israel?
mirilion79 1 year ago
@mirilion79 I don't automatically treat Israeli or Palestinian announcements as anything but try to corroborate by independent sources. And Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and Doctors without Borders help corrobrate the story.
Israel denies entry for Doctors Without Borders, Oxfam, Save the Children, etc.
watch?v=bCIzN_cxmbM
Israel Destroys UN Headquarters in Gaza
watch?v=ch1G8doybSc
Israeli Media Blackout Protest Against Gaza Flotilla Massacre
watch?v=drLJgea7Ftg
saadasim 1 year ago
@saadasim
Israel has no reason to allow known anti-Israeli and pro-arab organizations into it's territories. There are clear videos showing the terrorists preparing weapons, attacking the troops, while the camera shows PAINT GUN ROUNDS as blood. You claim these are doctored without proof, and then change the subject? Why is that?
mirilion79 1 year ago
@mirilion79
1. The Gaza Aid Flotilla was not going crossing into Israeli water. It was attacked in International waters and then dragged INTO Israel.
2. The video even from the IDF showing them attacking first before even boarding. Why does Israel only have the right of self defense but no one else.
3. Where do I claim the videos as doctored? I claim that Israel stole and did not release all the video evidence.
You need a course in logic and clear thinking,
saadasim 1 year ago
@saadasim
In addition, where were you when the Hamas bombed our cities for years? Of course we have the right to retaliate, and the UN HQ was destroyed because Hamas used the area (with the full support of the UN, i'm sure, although there's never any proof) as launching grounds. Israel apologized for that and payed a fee, even though it was done in perfect accord with all war laws. We have a right to protect our lives against Islamic fundamentalists.
mirilion79 1 year ago
@mirilion79 Hamas offered a cease fire several times but Israel breaks the cease fire. Israel has never lifted the blockade even when there was a cease fire in effect. They even blocked food and humanitarian supplies from Gaza.
Israel breaks cease fire July 2, 2008
haaretzXcom/hasen/spages/997665Xhtml
After 43 years of occupation, Israel has lost the right to be called a state of law
haaretz
Norman Finkelstein: Israel broke cease fire
normanfinkelsteinXcom/articleXphp?pg=11
saadasim 1 year ago
@saadasim
And as for the protests, you are totally wrong. There was a huge protest (of Israeli leftists and their pro-arab friends, carrying Turkish flags in the middle of Tel Aviv) a few days after, and it was all right there on the news, available for everyone.
mirilion79 1 year ago
@saadasim
Oh, I noticed the cry on your site against APARTHEID, which is one of the most brainless cries pro-arabs pick up. You know there are Arab parliament members in Israel, right? Even though there proudly proclaim themselves Palestinian and oppose Israel on every turn, delegitimizing and demonizing us, they still serve freely as elected members of the Knesset (parliament). Another little known fact - the wall, with all it's injustices, managed to stop the horrible SUICIDE BOMBINGS.
mirilion79 1 year ago
saadasim 1 year ago
@saadasim
Of course, liberal artists like Roger Walters don't really care about LITTLE ISRAELI KIDS GROWING IN FEAR OR PREGNANT WOMEN BLOWING UP. They just want to have their pictures taken, raising a hammer against the wall. You hypocrites make me sick, just sick. Israel is strong, and it will continue to defend itself against physical enemies, and against murderous (or suicidal) pro-Arab liberals such as yourself.
mirilion79 1 year ago
@mirilion79
1. Who is talking about Roger Walters? How is he related to what I was saying?
2. Yes, Israel will defend itself against an 85 year old holocaust survivor, American ambassador Ann Rice, 2 German politicians, 17 members of parliament from Ireland, Bulgaria and Sweden and a Nobel Peace Prize recipient - all passengers Gaza Flotilla.
saadasim 1 year ago
@saadasim
You are a liar and a manipulator. The fact that you fight so hard to bring links and proof, and yet forget to mention the IHH activists on the Marmara, shows who you really are. Israel broke the cease fire? And as proof you bring broken links to Haaretz, the most anti-Israeli newspaper in the country?
Israel broke no ceasefire. You have no proof. Every country has a legal right to act against an invading ship in international waters if it's destination is known - except Israel.
mirilion79 1 year ago
@mirilion79 You offered no links and no proof. I offered links from many different sources. The fact that you don't have the intelligence to use the link is not my problem.
If the ship is in International waters and is not going to your country then by definition, it is not "invading." You really do need a brain transplant.
saadasim 1 year ago
@saadasim
But it proudly declared it's intention to break Israel's perfectly legal naval blockade. Why a blockade? THEY ARE FIRING ROCKETS AT US.
mirilion79 1 year ago
@mirilion79 Again, the blockade predated Hamas winning the election. So you can't blame them for blockade. Furthermore you cannot block food, school books, crayons, etc. Things which Israel was doing. Then Israel breaks cease fires:
Israel breaks cease fire July 2, 2008
haaretzXcom/hasen/spages/997665Xhtml
After 43 years of occupation, Israel has lost the right to be called a state of law
haaretz
Norman Finkelstein: Israel broke cease fire
normanfinkelsteinXcom/articleXphp?pg=11
saadasim 1 year ago
@saadasim Israel of course do not blame only Hamas in the naval blockade, but also the fact that put weapons are transferred into Gaza without Hamas in government or with, which greatly endangers our security.
In the past Israel has blocked what you said, but has already announced the ease of the blockade and now the only thing that cannot be entered Gaza is weapons.
huffingtonpost (dot) com/2010/06/20/israel-eases-gaza-blockade_n_618716 (dot) html
idanrm 1 year ago
@idanrm Without knowing the truth you will be always locked. mirilion79 claimed:
1. Israel has the right not to allow Doctors w/o borders, Oxfam, Save the Children, etc. into Gaza.
2. Israel broke no cease fire even though several independent organizations say they did.
3. That I am anti-semite by criticizing Israel even though my links are honorable Jews who have said the same thing.
In general he slanders the messenger rather than looking at the message objectively.
saadasim 1 year ago
@saadasim
Blockade predated the Hamas? Amazing, maybe because THE ATTACKS PREDATED THE HAMAS?! I have no more willpower to debate this with you. Have a nice week.
mirilion79 1 year ago
@mirilion79 Thanks for agreeing that Israel broke the ceasefire repeatedly and refused to allow food and humanitarian supplies into Gaza.
saadasim 1 year ago
@saadasim
Hamas did offer "ceasefires", to re-arm itself, as it has done several times in the past. Israel has the right to defend the lives of it's citizens, disregarding blatant Arab lies and propaganda.
The video clearly shows that the only shots fired before boarding the boat where PAINT SHOTS. PAINT. But wait, why do I even bother, yours is the way of lies and deceit, as is written in the Koran. You can continue your fight, but know that Israel will always stand vigilant.
mirilion79 1 year ago
@mirilion79 Even with cease fire, Israel restrict arms from coming into Gaza. All Palestinians want is to let them fish and farm on their waters and on their land which Israel denies them. Then it also denies food, school books, crayons, etc. all in the name of self defense.
Why shoot paint shots before boarding? It doesn't make sense. And how would the passengers know that IDF is not using real guns and defend themselves further? You, sir, are the one full of lies.
saadasim 1 year ago
@saadasim
Oh please, "why shoot paint"?! are you insane? We obviously Didn't want to HURT anyone!!! You use every excuse to demonize us.
These same poor Palestinians elected the Hamas AFTER ISRAEL LEFT GAZA FOREVER. Everything sent through goes right to Hamas stopiles, NOT TO THE POPULATION. The Hamas wants to exetend Palestinian suffering in order to preserve the Jihad against Israel. We still have to supple them with electricity, though. ELECTRICITY.
mirilion79 1 year ago
@mirilion79 You didn't want to hurt anyone but you killed 9 and injured many more for the act of bringing food and humanitarian supplies to Gaza! Many you killed, you killed at point blank range while they were lying down. Many you injured you did not allow doctors on board to tend to them even though doctors on board tended to your wounded and crying IDF soldiers without their weapons. I don't demonize Israel. Facts demonize Israel.
saadasim 1 year ago
@saadasim
Lies. We killed terrorists who attack our troops. Deal with it.
mirilion79 1 year ago
@mirilion79 I didn't know that taking pictures of what Israel was doing was attacking Israel. Thanks for clarifying.
saadasim 1 year ago
@saadasim
After Israel left Gaza and Lebanon, we expected peace. Instead we got brutally attacked by the Hizballah and the Hamas, using rockets and horrible, inhuman suicide bombings and other terror attacks. This went on for YEARS, with people like you silently cheering them on. It's only natural that now, when Israel defends itself, you cry out, spreading blatant lies using poorly-edited photographs and videos. It won't help you, we are here to stay.
mirilion79 1 year ago
@mirilion79 But you never left Gaza or Lebanon. You still occupy Lebanon and you regularly attack Gaza and prevent Gazans from leaving for medical care. You have Gaza as you personal outdoor prison.
If you stop telling lies, I'll stop telling the truth about Israel.
saadasim 1 year ago
@saadasim
We occupy "Lebanon", or half of one village, AFTER THE MASSIVE HIZBOLLAH MISSLE ATTACK ON NORTHERN ISRAEL!!!
We hava a naval blockade on Gaza. As usual, you forget that Gaza has a border with EGYPT, and they can do there whatever they like.
mirilion79 1 year ago
@mirilion79
1. You said Israel left Lebanon. Now you admit that you occupy part of Lebanon. Plus Israel routinely violates Lebanese airspace.
2. You said you left Gaza. But you never ended the Naval Blockade. A Naval Blockade is an act of war. So Israel never left Gaza in peace. Even now Israel shoots anyone who comes within a mile of the Apartheid Wall. So not only does the wall occupy Gaza land, you take a mile more. And then Israel routinely violates Gazan's airspace also.
saadasim 1 year ago
@saadasim 1. We don't need a piece of land from Lebanon. The problem is that we should leave there with guarantee that Hezbollah won't take place and attack us from there. You understand? Now that we left you see what happened. Israel will do everything for the security of its citizens, in this case northern residents.
idanrm 1 year ago
@idanrm Whether Israel "needs" a piece of land is not my point. My point is that you are a liar and have been exposed as such.
saadasim 1 year ago
@saadasim
2. This is not aimed to be apartheid, you see there are plenty of Arabs inside Israel. Problem is that almost all from Gaza to Israel are terrorists. Who needs to work has a permit to cross the checkpoints. Believe me that Israel will do everything to get rid of Gaza. The siege is not a siege but actually a filtering system of arms. Everything can be transferred into Gaza, but through Israel, because that's the only way to make sure there are no weapons there.
idanrm 1 year ago
@idanrm I just showed you that Israel's blockade of food and humanitarian supplies is illegal by any standards and Israel has never let up on the blockade even when there were no rockets being fired. I have no problem with Israel building an Apartheid Wall but it should do it on its own land not on others land and then start shooting at anyone who comes within a mile range of it.
saadasim 1 year ago
@saadasim I want you to tell me what's our interest to do this? Whatever done in Gaza by Israel is for maintaining Israel's national security. I don't know who told you that Israel has built a wall inside Gaza. Before the checkpoints, every day I heard on the news about three buses that terrorists committed suicide with an explosive belt in them, and of course Israel can not afford 15-20 deaths a day. Hope that this reality will change one day and we'll be able to afford a border without a wall.
idanrm 1 year ago
@saadasim and I must say that also your beloved country Iran and any other country shoots at people who enter the borders illegally.
idanrm 1 year ago
@idanrm But what are Israel's borders and can it stay within it's border?
saadasim 1 year ago
@saadasim Not that I understood what you asked, but if you ask about the occupied territories, then Israel should certainly give them back, but should be a promise it would not become a hotbed of terrorists like Gaza is. So now peace talks are held to reach a permanent solution. Regarding the settlements, I'm afraid the Prime Minister continues them against his will because if not, a large number of right-wing cabinet members will topple his government.
idanrm 1 year ago
@idanrm The Arab peace plan of 2002 offered full recognition of Israel with security if Israel would live in peace with its neighbors. Israel refused to accept or even offer a counter proposal to the peace plan. The best peace is when you do trade with your neighbors because then you both have a stake in stability. That is what Turkey is doing and it's economy has grown. But I agree with you, part of the problem is extremist on both sides.
saadasim 1 year ago
@saadasim I'll tell you the truth, it annoys me. I remember when I heard the news about this proposal I and all Israel rejoiced. That's what we want. Peaceful relations with our Arab neighbors is a vision of us all. I remember at that time got a lot of voices saying that Israel should follow this suggestion and even initiate. I think the problem is that the proposal sought to return the Arab refugees, which of course is worth the destruction of the Israel.
idanrm 1 year ago
@saadasim Israel made a mistake by that and I hope that the current opportunity, the peace talks with Mahmoud Abbas, will lead to a better future for all of us.
idanrm 1 year ago
@idanrm How can Abbas effect peace when Israel is still evicting Arabs and still build apartheid colonies in the West Bank? Furthermore Hamas, the official winner of the democratic elections is not even invited to negotiation talks.
saadasim 1 year ago
@saadasim
How can Israel effect peace when Abbas still demans a Palestine that will cover all of Israel? Furthermore, how do people want one country free of Jews, and one country with Jews and Arabs, and to be taken seriously?
mirilion79 1 year ago
@mirilion79 You really are a moron! Where does Abbas say he wants a Palestine that will cover all of Israel? Who wants a country free of Jews? Free of Israel maybe but not necessarily free of Jews. Jews used to live peacefully in Palestine before Israel.
saadasim 1 year ago
@saadasim
Gaza has a border with Egypt, without a connection to Israel. Please, when you deal with all the other facts that disprove your claims, deal with this fact too.
mirilion79 1 year ago
@mirilion79 According to the Oslo Peace Accords, Egypt has to agree also to a blockade of Gaza. Israel also monitors that crossing. Furthermore, Egypt is ruled by dictatorship which is actually worse than Israel.
saadasim 1 year ago
@mirilion79 VIVA ISRAEL
FreeHeathen 1 year ago
@saadasim
Israel is not afraid anymore. We will answer violence with violence, as can be seen on the Marmara. You still didn't answer why all the other ships docked peacefully, while the one with the IHH terror activists was hit hard. Your real aim is to destroy Israel, you and your people do not want peace, and slowly people in Israel, Europe and the US are waking up from their liberal dreams.
mirilion79 1 year ago
@mirilion79 Of course Israel is not afraid anymore. It can do anything it wants and if anyone complains then pull out the old anti-semite or self-hating Jew card. Israel with the assistance of AIPAC can do whatever it wants and no one will dare raise a finger against it. Heck, politicians in US have to pledge their allegiance to Israel in order to get elected but Arabs in their own land have to also pledge allegiance to Israel no matter that they are second hand citizens there.
saadasim 1 year ago
@saadasim
Now that's just your true face revealed. These are the new blood libels right there. Hate us, demonize us, it won't help you.
mirilion79 1 year ago
@mirilion79 That's not blood libel. This is blood libel. Except it's true:
Eight Israelis charged with trafficking human organs
watch?v=JODTp2Liw60
saadasim 1 year ago
@saadasim
Here are your precious peace activists.
wwwXhaaretzXcom/news/diplomacy-defense/islamic-jihad-leader-israel-must-be-wiped-out-of-existence-1.321874
mirilion79 1 year ago
israel rocks,it transfare to bigest power in middle east ever,
marshallhwa 1 year ago
@marshallhwa I think you meant to say:
Israel rockets terrorize every power in middle east and beyond.
saadasim 1 year ago
@saadasim
I did my best. Arabs tried so hard to kill us all, now you have just shifted gears. Some still try to fire rockets into Israel, and at the same time others like you whine about how cruel we are.
The facts are these: You are one of the new anti-semites. You twist and lie and ommit facts to make it suit your world view. Israel isn't perfect, but it has the right to defend itself against muslim terror attacks. When the terror stops, the blockade will end.
mirilion79 1 year ago
@saadasim
They want all Israel, they want everything, and they say so ALL THE TIME. The fact that you try to present me as a liar will not change the truth. The Arab world will never stop using the Palestinians as an excuse to gain political power, it's their interest to keep them poor and fighting. They die so that Arab leaders can gain more power, and that's how you like it. Instead of blaming others for your trouble, first have a good look into yourself.
mirilion79 1 year ago
@mirilion79 You have been exposed as a liar and a deceiver. The Arab peace plan of 2002 offered full recognition of Israel with security if Israel would live in peace with its neighbors. Israel refused to accept or even offer a counter proposal to the peace plan. The best peace is when you do trade with your neighbors because then you both have a stake in stability. That is what Turkey is doing and it's economy is growing without American welfare money.
saadasim 1 year ago