Thanks a lot babylonianman for those awesome comments. I discovered Xenakis a while ago and loved since then what he does, now I start to understand a bit better the why thanks to you.
If you have any idea where i can learn more about it, please do!
I first came across this piece about two years ago. I have tried to listen to the whole thing about three times and have got further and further as I have. This time I got to1:44. See you next year. Sincerely, a terrified Rachel.
A while back I was babysitting my roommate's six-year-old daughter and she asked me to play some "scary" music for her. I played this. Within a minute and a half she was crying, her hands to her ears, begging me to turn it off. How's that for a musical review! (I love this piece, by the way).
I can't say it's bad, I don't think it's bad, but it's not what I would describe as music, not by a conventional sense. To me, this just sounds like a tension track from a horror film. Nothing more than sounds to put the listener on edge or increase susceptibility to a sudden shock.
@AxelLeJeff And you're implying that the music used in horror films doesn't count as music? Music can be anything its composer wants it to be. All music requires is sound, and even silence can be a useful tool in music. You just don't appreciate it because it's so different from what you're used to hearing. I'm not trying to insult you, but this is thoroughly musical, but it's different.
Well the experience of a shock might be what he wanted to express. But as you have mentioned, sounds of terror are recognizable as such because when we hear them we connect them subconsciously with a zombie or a serial killer. A guy in the 50's not having seen any movies at all would have a tottaly diferrent opinion about this track!
@AxelLeJeff Trust me, many people don't, he used to play with algorithmes, Iannis was too experimental, here are some enviromental sounds put in order, despite we missunderstood this, it makes sense, try to research for Stochastic Music
I first heard Starvinsky's "Rite of Spring" when I was 7 years old. It sounded like noise to me. I could not get a 'handle' on it. Although at a higher level of abstraction, it evoked in me a feeling every bit as confusing and unnerving as trying to listen to music through a blown speaker cone. I could not avoid it; every few years I found myself re-exposed to "Rite of Spring", and it never made sense to me. Then one day, through no activity on my part, my perception evolved, and it did.
Listening to music or experiencing any form of art is individual and subjective-I like this, I will listen to it again,that is my experience and desire.
@MustNotRead, Nature and the Universe are full of Fibonacci sequence and "Golden Mean". Why would you blame an artist for using the natural world as a guide to compose something, be it a visual artist or musician? If Mozart (yawn) were alive today, what makes you think he wouldn't compose something on a synth or computer anyway? Our universe is an incomprehensibly violent place by its own nature, to humans and life in case you haven't learned yet. Do you find THAT pleasing to think about?
@TubaTones Big deal. I find him boring, you find Mozart music exciting. Who really cares? In the whole scheme of things it really isn't all that important unless of course someone forces you against your will to listen to gawd awful Mozart (yawn) music. Then it becomes a human rights issue. . . but in my case, if someone tried to torture me by such horrible means, I would probably fall asleep anyway. Do you find every piece of music you've ever heard or played exciting? I doubt it.
Not a bad piece; however I still find all those mathematic references in music pretentious and (as for today) overused. I get it, Xenakis wrote this one in the 50's, but how many times will we have to read all the "we based the song on the Fibonacci sequence" bullshit?
@europeandouchebag You don't have to read all that "bullshit" if you don't want to. You can just to the piece. Some people are curious about how he wrote the piece and want to read about the mathematical references. Similarly, some people are curious about how Bach wrote the Well-Tempered Clavier and would thus read a "pretentious" Shenkerian analysis, while others may just want to listen to it. If you don't want to read the explanation then don't click the "read more" button.
@Nullstellensatz I know I don't have to read anything. You don't have to read my comments either. I also said that I don't mind Xenakis but I despise all those contemporary artists who still think "maths based songs" (which is, by the way, as close to actual mathematics as, say, numerology) are super kewl and edgy.
the best part about listening to these tracks off of youtube is reading all these comments by people who can't tell the difference between their music taste and an objective worldview of what qualifies music
well, if there's one thing that Xenakis proved it is that computers should never be allowed to "create" (calculate) music for humans. this piece is a rambling incoherent mess of sound. I'm sure you can detect the Fibonacci sequence floating around in there somewhere, but is it pleasant to the human ear? not particularly. does it stir emotions and tell a story? perhaps if you're a mathematician it does, otherwise - no.
@MustNotRead "but is it pleasant to the human ear?" To mine. Is yours broken? -- "does it stir emotions and tell a story?" Hell yeah it does.
Your concept of "intuition" is pretty funny. I didn't "get" this music on first listen, but I didn't "get" Bach, Brahms, or Debussy either. Mozart, in all honestly, sounded overly aristocratic and stodgy when I first heard him. Then again, I did "get" Chopin and Schoenberg right away, but that doesn't make their music "objectively" more appealing.
We could translate the screenplay for the Godfather into machine language and then shoot radiation through the hard drive and hang the resulting scatterplot in a museum.
And some hapless graduate student would have to write his thesis about it. Sigh.
It's interesting to read the reactions to this piece. This music is based on advanced mathematics models, statistics mainly, concerning probability. It's like a science experiment beeing measured. I've read the same reactions to recorded sounds from the Solar system planets radio signals ("planet songs"). Why are you so scared? This is the closest to the actual sound of the Universe. It's awsome!
What's interesting is that "Metastasis" was the finale of a multi-movement piece titled "Anastenaria" (?), recorded for the first time on Col Legno a few years ago. Xenakis felt it was such an advance that he abandoned the earlier movements, and it became his first acknowledged piece. The earlier movements are actually very interesting, they have elements that possibly relate to his controversial late work and show his oeuvre to be wholly unified.
Algo complejo y tenebroso!!!, sin centro tonal waw!!, me causa mucha curiosidad elq ue estubo pensando Xenakis al crear esto??? es sumamente compejo tratar de entender
In regards to comment by DrBoomy: This music is far from emotionless. Its intricate use of chromatic harmony conjurs complex emotions that are inspired by Xenakis' memory of the sounds of warfare. Even assuming that your analysis of the piece as 'cold' is accurate (which I don't necessarily agree with) its status as a meaningful, expressive work of art should not be questioned. You are clearly not qualified to comment on the matter if you consider 'cold' as a subject not be expressed in art.
BRAINGASM!!!!! I Love this! It's everything I'm into - all wrapped up in ONE! Many thanks to my Audio-Brother, "229095" for sending me incredible video!
I find this music to be cold and emotionless which are not elements that 'art' are meant to express. It is a interesting concept to make music based on math but it comes out sounds like crap.
As to Threnody for the Victims of Hiroshima 5, that song invoked confusion discuss and horror but not because it felt as is it meant. Because it just sounded so bad. That sad, it is an excellent representation of the bombing of Hiroshima.
Generally speaking, art is meant to express the ideas of the artist. As Xenakis was trying to convey Einstein's view of spacetime, he probably intended for it to be emotionless.
Why isn't "cold" an emotion that can be expressed in art? If you can feel it (even the absence of feeling is still a feeling, just like black is absence of light, but still a color) you can express it.
I guess what I trying to say is that this music is highly enjoyable. It sad that sounds that are so enjoyable and displeasing to the ear are sysmbolic of Einstein's veiw of space and time..... wait... I get it! I guess I hear it now; I hear how it could be symbolic of that. I understand. I guess with that understanding I get why this can be enjoyed.
I don't see why DrBoomy guy is being given the thumbs down for expression HIS oppinion which it clearly was "I don't get it", "I find this music..." if everyone liked every piece of art then it wouldn't be art. Get off your high horses.
"(Not because it felt as it meant...) Because it just sounded so bad" *to you*. With, honestly what kind of appears to be not really curious or trained ears or a very open mind. What is musical art 'supposed' to express in your estimation?
"An excellent representation of...", well that'd be a photgraph or a field recording wouldn't it.
You don't get it. There are undoubtedly reasons for this.
of course music isn't *supposed* to represent anything absolute. but as you suggest, to appreciate this incoherent mess of sound, would require significant mental gymnastics to the point of deluding oneself. perhaps if you were a robot, you could instantly enjoy this "music" - otherwise you will have to train/brainwash your perceptions for many years to be able to enjoy this. i guess "real" music by, say fe, Mozart, doesnt require such faith. it is naturally appealing.
Your seem to unclear on the concept of 'intution'. You are pushing your cultural, learned norm onto something which doesn't fit it. Which doesn't work.
Mozart isn't naturally appealing to me, It's alien-sounding. It would require cultural brainwashing I never fully accepted. I understand it entirely, I'm trained in european harmony - which subverts *natural* harmonic pheneomena rather dramatically, This takes some *knowledge of the object* to understand, as opposed to this largely subjective preference you are pretending is wholly objective.
Read the info on this video, it is is insightful. It can help the uninitiated, inexperienced people. As far as its classification.......radical pop or jazz? Richtomes is obviously one of the above mentioned. This IS the fine art of composition and at its finest. The concept of using sound masses of huge clusters was coined in this piece, and this piece also inspired Penderecki's Threnody for the Victims of Hiroshima 5 years after. Both pieces have been played by numerous world class orchestras.
Audible frequenices will impact our ears and elicit emotional responses. Film sountracks do just this. The capacity, not to understand or define, but to let a series of sounds permeate your being and generate an emotion, transport you, that's the soul and purpose of music. The merit here is the selection of non-standard formulas for this purpose. Does this composition not elicit an emotion in you? Perhaps your deaf, not in the ears but in your capacity to open up...
People rightly get annoyed when this kind of thing is held up as if it were somehow related to or equal to the great works of the 400 year old tradition of classical music. It belongs more appropriately with radical pop or jazz. The Jesus and Mary Chain for instance used to turn up all their amps and just have feedback for a whole 'song'. It was art of a kind. We should give this kind of stuff a new name - sonic theater, or sonic design, not to confuse it with the fine art of composition.
What a quaint old expression - and the best thing about it from your point of view is it that it gives you the sensation of having delivered a profound truth without having had to use your brain or expressive abilities at all. Rather like this kind of adiabatic 'music'.
Thanks. Xenakis is the greatest. What's interesting to me about the spectral view is that it often resembles graphical scores that composers in the 60s devised intuitively. Indeed, if you have a certain type of mind, visualization is superfluous -- you perceive all the shapes & colors within the audio itself. But, for many others, visualizations can really assist w/ understanding abstract music.
Indeed - it speeds up the understanding of a pattern/message. May depend on how 'visual' one's mind is. Perhaps those who can 'hear' the details of the spectrum would find the visualization excessive? Not me though :) Thanks, babylonianman.
Thanks a lot babylonianman for those awesome comments. I discovered Xenakis a while ago and loved since then what he does, now I start to understand a bit better the why thanks to you.
If you have any idea where i can learn more about it, please do!
DEEPYANN 1 day ago
waoh, I don't know what to think of it, this comes from another world
HEARTIUS 1 week ago
Μου θυμιζει septic flesh με τα χορωδιακα.
pizzacastello 3 weeks ago
1:42 Part scared me... Amazing... Simply amazing...
franciscodls3 3 months ago
I first came across this piece about two years ago. I have tried to listen to the whole thing about three times and have got further and further as I have. This time I got to1:44. See you next year. Sincerely, a terrified Rachel.
rachelseagroatt 4 months ago 2
1:04 oh my god
doutorronaldo 4 months ago
....ouch,scared music,genius!
BanjoDelivrance 5 months ago
Wich key is this in?
BigRed4231 5 months ago
@BigRed4231 Key of H-flat
BagelBites48 4 months ago
@BagelBites48
the first partt is in H flat, the second part is on J double flat locran
karoloandria 1 month ago
@BigRed4231 I guess this kind of music does not deal with the concept of key in the same way the music you know.
gustavoturm 4 months ago
Revolution 9!!!!!!!!!!!!
oxLINKxo 6 months ago
17 ατομα επαθαν μετασταση καρκινου. πως γινεται να μην σου αρεσει μια τοσο ωραια μουσικη ?
painkiller901901 7 months ago
@painkiller901901
koita an to les sovara mallon berdeveis to protoporiako gia thn epoxhvpeirama, me thn mousikh.. afto to pragma den einai mousikh.. eleos
an pali oxi me sygxwreis
mehegama 3 months ago
Oh my god , what is this ? These notes dont even exist !
hetfield15 7 months ago
A while back I was babysitting my roommate's six-year-old daughter and she asked me to play some "scary" music for her. I played this. Within a minute and a half she was crying, her hands to her ears, begging me to turn it off. How's that for a musical review! (I love this piece, by the way).
Bnjolly 8 months ago
how many samples were used in the FFT window of this analysis?
LinearReshape 8 months ago
beyond belief!
juampyjuarez 9 months ago
Terribly wonderful :p
rocktothebone91 9 months ago
how did you make this representation?
robinschavoir 10 months ago
@robinschavoir FL Studio got a plugin called WaveCandy, it seems very similar. Search YT for "FL Studio 9: Wave Candy Guitar"
gustavoturm 9 months ago in playlist Piano
Metastasis is scary: The growth of secondary malignant tumors away from the primary one. I can totally feel the terror of the oncoming death.
guildwarshobo 10 months ago
My favorite Xenakis piece and one of my few favorite orchestral pieces.
searchfgold6789 11 months ago
about the THX sound of 1983 it was a cover most inspired by the song "Loom" from YMO made in 1981.
But i also agree that this "Metastasis" was the original inpiration of the Ryuichi Sakamoto and Haruomi Hosono song.
Meteotrance 11 months ago
I don't... Understand this.
I can't say it's bad, I don't think it's bad, but it's not what I would describe as music, not by a conventional sense. To me, this just sounds like a tension track from a horror film. Nothing more than sounds to put the listener on edge or increase susceptibility to a sudden shock.
AxelLeJeff 11 months ago
@AxelLeJeff And you're implying that the music used in horror films doesn't count as music? Music can be anything its composer wants it to be. All music requires is sound, and even silence can be a useful tool in music. You just don't appreciate it because it's so different from what you're used to hearing. I'm not trying to insult you, but this is thoroughly musical, but it's different.
krakhaid 11 months ago
@AxelLeJeff
Well the experience of a shock might be what he wanted to express. But as you have mentioned, sounds of terror are recognizable as such because when we hear them we connect them subconsciously with a zombie or a serial killer. A guy in the 50's not having seen any movies at all would have a tottaly diferrent opinion about this track!
McmFxCx 10 months ago
@AxelLeJeff Trust me, many people don't, he used to play with algorithmes, Iannis was too experimental, here are some enviromental sounds put in order, despite we missunderstood this, it makes sense, try to research for Stochastic Music
danielstevan26 10 months ago
@AxelLeJeff The only conventional sense for music is: "Sounds and silences in a timeline". =)
gustavoturm 10 months ago
i think I heard a vuvuzela !
GranulatedStuff 1 year ago
May everyone have an unspeakable Feb 4. Long remembrance of Xenakis.
NevinJarek 1 year ago
I first heard Starvinsky's "Rite of Spring" when I was 7 years old. It sounded like noise to me. I could not get a 'handle' on it. Although at a higher level of abstraction, it evoked in me a feeling every bit as confusing and unnerving as trying to listen to music through a blown speaker cone. I could not avoid it; every few years I found myself re-exposed to "Rite of Spring", and it never made sense to me. Then one day, through no activity on my part, my perception evolved, and it did.
SherwinGooch 1 year ago
This is excellent. Thanks for posting it.
goodtwitch 1 year ago
Listening to music or experiencing any form of art is individual and subjective-I like this, I will listen to it again,that is my experience and desire.
newtondecoy 1 year ago
this should be on guitar hero.
ryanquist1 1 year ago 20
i dont wonder - i have it seen in vienna - great genious
kordinia 1 year ago
I don't think he's as good as Justin Bieber.
justinbieberforking 1 year ago
@justinbieberforking Justin Bieber, good? O,o you gotta be joking; unless....... please tell you're on an acid trip... x3
Edhelistar 1 year ago
@justinbieberforking lol
Dionasa 3 months ago
wish it was louder
DillonDemas 1 year ago
συγκλονιστικο!
angellight2012 1 year ago
in darkness and with my headphones on
ereignisfelder 1 year ago
@MustNotRead, Nature and the Universe are full of Fibonacci sequence and "Golden Mean". Why would you blame an artist for using the natural world as a guide to compose something, be it a visual artist or musician? If Mozart (yawn) were alive today, what makes you think he wouldn't compose something on a synth or computer anyway? Our universe is an incomprehensibly violent place by its own nature, to humans and life in case you haven't learned yet. Do you find THAT pleasing to think about?
deecee10000 1 year ago
@deecee10000 I'm sorry, but "Mozart (yawn)"? Come on, your point was so good until you had to bag out Mozart.
TubaTones 1 year ago
@deecee10000 I'm sorry, but "Mozart (yawn)"? Come on, your point was so good until you had to bag out Mozart.
TubaTones 1 year ago
@TubaTones Big deal. I find him boring, you find Mozart music exciting. Who really cares? In the whole scheme of things it really isn't all that important unless of course someone forces you against your will to listen to gawd awful Mozart (yawn) music. Then it becomes a human rights issue. . . but in my case, if someone tried to torture me by such horrible means, I would probably fall asleep anyway. Do you find every piece of music you've ever heard or played exciting? I doubt it.
deecee10000 1 year ago
@deecee10000 The nice thing about you was how you were able to make your inability to appreciate classical music sound like a good thing.
Benrictee 1 year ago
Now we know where the THX theme came from.
xylenz 1 year ago 36
One more horror movie... Freddie Kruger is killing composition teachers one by one... :-)
claudiogoldman 1 year ago
They cut out the "I'd love to turn you on" at the beginning.
ringu 1 year ago 2
Not a bad piece; however I still find all those mathematic references in music pretentious and (as for today) overused. I get it, Xenakis wrote this one in the 50's, but how many times will we have to read all the "we based the song on the Fibonacci sequence" bullshit?
europeandouchebag 1 year ago
@europeandouchebag You don't have to read all that "bullshit" if you don't want to. You can just to the piece. Some people are curious about how he wrote the piece and want to read about the mathematical references. Similarly, some people are curious about how Bach wrote the Well-Tempered Clavier and would thus read a "pretentious" Shenkerian analysis, while others may just want to listen to it. If you don't want to read the explanation then don't click the "read more" button.
Nullstellensatz 1 year ago
@Nullstellensatz I know I don't have to read anything. You don't have to read my comments either. I also said that I don't mind Xenakis but I despise all those contemporary artists who still think "maths based songs" (which is, by the way, as close to actual mathematics as, say, numerology) are super kewl and edgy.
europeandouchebag 1 year ago
I wish the THX theme continued into this!
MatthewBearne 1 year ago
the best part about listening to these tracks off of youtube is reading all these comments by people who can't tell the difference between their music taste and an objective worldview of what qualifies music
ugh
Hurtdeer 1 year ago 2
Interesting sounds reminiscent of the old THX promo.
hamlinmark1 1 year ago
well, if there's one thing that Xenakis proved it is that computers should never be allowed to "create" (calculate) music for humans. this piece is a rambling incoherent mess of sound. I'm sure you can detect the Fibonacci sequence floating around in there somewhere, but is it pleasant to the human ear? not particularly. does it stir emotions and tell a story? perhaps if you're a mathematician it does, otherwise - no.
MustNotRead 1 year ago
@MustNotRead "but is it pleasant to the human ear?" To mine. Is yours broken? -- "does it stir emotions and tell a story?" Hell yeah it does.
Your concept of "intuition" is pretty funny. I didn't "get" this music on first listen, but I didn't "get" Bach, Brahms, or Debussy either. Mozart, in all honestly, sounded overly aristocratic and stodgy when I first heard him. Then again, I did "get" Chopin and Schoenberg right away, but that doesn't make their music "objectively" more appealing.
TheRealLordRama 1 year ago 3
This is so...different.
LastRowKid 1 year ago
i dont understand the science-math "drawing" the music nonsense but it sounds FUCKING AWESOME.
vaiority 1 year ago
reminds me of the music from the last half hour from 2001: a space odyssey
MylesMoore 1 year ago
@MylesMoore Yep clearly. Also some rude brass hits and psychotic strings like in "planet of the apes" ost
Settoken 1 year ago
We could translate the screenplay for the Godfather into machine language and then shoot radiation through the hard drive and hang the resulting scatterplot in a museum.
And some hapless graduate student would have to write his thesis about it. Sigh.
hymnofashes 1 year ago
real art real science unreal music.we bow you to your superior mind.
connectwithyourusers 1 year ago
cool ... and hot
btw ... it depends on own perceptive sensibility i guess, right?
telemacohomewwod 2 years ago
cool..but cold music anyway
supersaiayin666 2 years ago
I'm doing a paper on this guy right now and it's fucking miserable.
livetoriga 2 years ago
@livetoriga
Go to hell! Xenakis is God!
sixstringking6 1 year ago
It's interesting to read the reactions to this piece. This music is based on advanced mathematics models, statistics mainly, concerning probability. It's like a science experiment beeing measured. I've read the same reactions to recorded sounds from the Solar system planets radio signals ("planet songs"). Why are you so scared? This is the closest to the actual sound of the Universe. It's awsome!
solnegrolunaroja 2 years ago
What's interesting is that "Metastasis" was the finale of a multi-movement piece titled "Anastenaria" (?), recorded for the first time on Col Legno a few years ago. Xenakis felt it was such an advance that he abandoned the earlier movements, and it became his first acknowledged piece. The earlier movements are actually very interesting, they have elements that possibly relate to his controversial late work and show his oeuvre to be wholly unified.
Enantiodromialist 2 years ago
What the fuck... That was genuinely terrifying.
MattF012 2 years ago 2
This is excellent! Thank you!
synthwerk 2 years ago
This is a fine example of investigative journalism.
hurryupandw8t 2 years ago
I like this one!!
8251Michael 2 years ago
Yes, awesome.
Othaeg 2 years ago
ah so much tension and never a release, i love it.
echoplus2020 2 years ago
this fuckin scares me, awesome
DreadFugitiveMind 2 years ago 6
O_o
yuseroner 2 years ago
che spettacolo
giampieroification 2 years ago
...
Yuligard 2 years ago
wow 4 min onwards looks like a forest on fire..... the "light purple" are like trees
jazzfunk1992 2 years ago
this will just make a horror film even better!! LOVE IT!
nelsyeung 2 years ago
this is perfect for a Stanley Kubrick movie.
Paran0idblues 2 years ago 4
Algo complejo y tenebroso!!!, sin centro tonal waw!!, me causa mucha curiosidad elq ue estubo pensando Xenakis al crear esto??? es sumamente compejo tratar de entender
Spailot 2 years ago 2
Um terror, horrível.
Mateusrcp 2 years ago 2
Tens bom remédio, não oiças.
rubenximenes 2 years ago
This is fantastic. On another note though, do I spy a transcode? Probably just at the fault of Youtube quality, but...
DDRpwnerer 2 years ago 2
amazing.
EmperorKlytus 2 years ago
this is disturbing.
and I love it.
egyptianghetto56 2 years ago 19
,,sounds like the Shining.
PupuTheClown 2 years ago 2
awesome
Quoyled 2 years ago
Completely writing some code and this song completely screwed me up. Like impossible to concentrate on something with this playing...but I like it
AE117 2 years ago
In regards to comment by DrBoomy: This music is far from emotionless. Its intricate use of chromatic harmony conjurs complex emotions that are inspired by Xenakis' memory of the sounds of warfare. Even assuming that your analysis of the piece as 'cold' is accurate (which I don't necessarily agree with) its status as a meaningful, expressive work of art should not be questioned. You are clearly not qualified to comment on the matter if you consider 'cold' as a subject not be expressed in art.
CozmoQakes 2 years ago
BRAINGASM!!!!! I Love this! It's everything I'm into - all wrapped up in ONE! Many thanks to my Audio-Brother, "229095" for sending me incredible video!
TenshihanQuinn 2 years ago 3
Beautiful<3
twitchcoe 2 years ago
Thanks - nice write-up, and an intriguing way of "looking at" the piece.
gvvt 2 years ago
barbaric, wonderful and refreshing!
I'm glad that this work has 5 stars, would have never expected that.
lorenzarthur91 2 years ago
I don't get it...
I find this music to be cold and emotionless which are not elements that 'art' are meant to express. It is a interesting concept to make music based on math but it comes out sounds like crap.
As to Threnody for the Victims of Hiroshima 5, that song invoked confusion discuss and horror but not because it felt as is it meant. Because it just sounded so bad. That sad, it is an excellent representation of the bombing of Hiroshima.
DrBoomy 2 years ago
Who's to say what art is meant to express?
Generally speaking, art is meant to express the ideas of the artist. As Xenakis was trying to convey Einstein's view of spacetime, he probably intended for it to be emotionless.
utley72 2 years ago
Why isn't "cold" an emotion that can be expressed in art? If you can feel it (even the absence of feeling is still a feeling, just like black is absence of light, but still a color) you can express it.
Coldband24 2 years ago
I guess what I trying to say is that this music is highly enjoyable. It sad that sounds that are so enjoyable and displeasing to the ear are sysmbolic of Einstein's veiw of space and time..... wait... I get it! I guess I hear it now; I hear how it could be symbolic of that. I understand. I guess with that understanding I get why this can be enjoyed.
DrBoomy 2 years ago 2
I don't see why DrBoomy guy is being given the thumbs down for expression HIS oppinion which it clearly was "I don't get it", "I find this music..." if everyone liked every piece of art then it wouldn't be art. Get off your high horses.
k1ngross 2 years ago 2
@DrBoomy you suck
JPXU1966 1 year ago
@DrBoomy
"(Not because it felt as it meant...) Because it just sounded so bad" *to you*. With, honestly what kind of appears to be not really curious or trained ears or a very open mind. What is musical art 'supposed' to express in your estimation?
"An excellent representation of...", well that'd be a photgraph or a field recording wouldn't it.
You don't get it. There are undoubtedly reasons for this.
jancivil 1 year ago
@jancivil
of course music isn't *supposed* to represent anything absolute. but as you suggest, to appreciate this incoherent mess of sound, would require significant mental gymnastics to the point of deluding oneself. perhaps if you were a robot, you could instantly enjoy this "music" - otherwise you will have to train/brainwash your perceptions for many years to be able to enjoy this. i guess "real" music by, say fe, Mozart, doesnt require such faith. it is naturally appealing.
MustNotRead 1 year ago
@jancivil
i think even you have to admit that this video's "music" is more an intellectual audio curiosity than what your intuition would tell you is "music".
MustNotRead 1 year ago
@MustNotRead
Your seem to unclear on the concept of 'intution'. You are pushing your cultural, learned norm onto something which doesn't fit it. Which doesn't work.
jancivil 1 year ago
@jancivil
i wouldn't call this music, it's more like an intellectual audio curiosity.
MustNotRead 1 year ago
@MustNotRead
Mozart isn't naturally appealing to me, It's alien-sounding. It would require cultural brainwashing I never fully accepted. I understand it entirely, I'm trained in european harmony - which subverts *natural* harmonic pheneomena rather dramatically, This takes some *knowledge of the object* to understand, as opposed to this largely subjective preference you are pretending is wholly objective.
jancivil 1 year ago
great to see this video!
Vangelis, Xenakis some of the greatest composers
HELLENIGMA 2 years ago
brilliant,,bizzarre and so beautiful
markmando333 2 years ago
Read the info on this video, it is is insightful. It can help the uninitiated, inexperienced people. As far as its classification.......radical pop or jazz? Richtomes is obviously one of the above mentioned. This IS the fine art of composition and at its finest. The concept of using sound masses of huge clusters was coined in this piece, and this piece also inspired Penderecki's Threnody for the Victims of Hiroshima 5 years after. Both pieces have been played by numerous world class orchestras.
10centguitar 2 years ago 4
how trippy!!!!!!!!! lol looove it. its so different!!
freakymusicperson 2 years ago
wonderfull!!!
bebetallica 2 years ago
I never listened to something like that. It weird, but great! (:
edstug 2 years ago 3
Audible frequenices will impact our ears and elicit emotional responses. Film sountracks do just this. The capacity, not to understand or define, but to let a series of sounds permeate your being and generate an emotion, transport you, that's the soul and purpose of music. The merit here is the selection of non-standard formulas for this purpose. Does this composition not elicit an emotion in you? Perhaps your deaf, not in the ears but in your capacity to open up...
apazeia 2 years ago 3
Thanks! =D
TrekkieFromVulcan 3 years ago
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People rightly get annoyed when this kind of thing is held up as if it were somehow related to or equal to the great works of the 400 year old tradition of classical music. It belongs more appropriately with radical pop or jazz. The Jesus and Mary Chain for instance used to turn up all their amps and just have feedback for a whole 'song'. It was art of a kind. We should give this kind of stuff a new name - sonic theater, or sonic design, not to confuse it with the fine art of composition.
richtomes 3 years ago
Stop posting this everywhere. If you don't like it, don't listen to it.
scottturner1994 3 years ago 4
well assuming that your educated u would know why it is atonal music
festershred 2 years ago
i dont think u realize how far ur head is up ur own ass buddy
GuhGuhGuh 2 years ago
What a quaint old expression - and the best thing about it from your point of view is it that it gives you the sensation of having delivered a profound truth without having had to use your brain or expressive abilities at all. Rather like this kind of adiabatic 'music'.
richtomes 2 years ago
the horn blast at 1:43 is absolutely monstrous
sisterenrodentia 3 years ago 4
Incredible piece, especially the beginning with all the glissandi. Thanks for posting!
skrodl 3 years ago
Excellent! What software did you use to create that spectrogram?
NitramZiarreh 3 years ago 5
I used Adobe Audition to create it.
babylonianman 3 years ago
you should do this with a few other pieces. Ionization or some rhythmic stuff too.
matthewlesco 1 year ago
Very important, perfect, thank you.
christopherfulkerson 3 years ago
Outstanding.
regnar666 3 years ago
Este video es un aporte inmenso a la comprension de esta musica.
guacanagari 3 years ago 2
Wow!!! this is so great!!! just recently I discovered this kind of music, wow!! how did I miss this for so many years???
Definetely faved, 5 stars... very good job! and thanks for the graphic... it's just amazing...
BraedenX 3 years ago 4
sheperd tone in the beginning
Ravenpulse 3 years ago
Thanks. Xenakis is the greatest. What's interesting to me about the spectral view is that it often resembles graphical scores that composers in the 60s devised intuitively. Indeed, if you have a certain type of mind, visualization is superfluous -- you perceive all the shapes & colors within the audio itself. But, for many others, visualizations can really assist w/ understanding abstract music.
santanko 3 years ago 4
i think without the video this loses a lot of its appeal as a pure piece of music
LackingLack0 3 years ago
This is excellent! Thanks for sharing.
MadamTampini 3 years ago 4
Fine, fine. Nice work.
Leibo07 3 years ago 3
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Okay, I watched and listened to this.
Can I have my 8 minutes and 29 seconds back now?
Balancement 3 years ago
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I gave you a thumb up... they don't have any sense of humor :)
JohnThePetru2 3 years ago
Great work. Thank you for making this and putting it on youtube; it very much enhances my understanding of this piece.
p0lyph0ny 3 years ago 4
1.06 to 1.09 sounded very creepy
great.
jameshetfield25 3 years ago 3
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this is a fucking trash, I lose my time and my ears listen for this, a waste of time, no music, no talent, only a wreck sound.
rekinil21 3 years ago
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He should have made this for a wind only ensemble. The strings are very annoying.
parquar 3 years ago
are you kidding? they sound amazing
whitesuns 3 years ago 4
that was interesting, thank you!
Timrath 3 years ago 3
This is awesome!
datramte 3 years ago 3
it really helps to appreciate the music more.
theo9952 3 years ago 3
Indeed - it speeds up the understanding of a pattern/message. May depend on how 'visual' one's mind is. Perhaps those who can 'hear' the details of the spectrum would find the visualization excessive? Not me though :) Thanks, babylonianman.
GroovingClockwork 3 years ago 3
interesting
nebula32 3 years ago
Muy bueno.
misaelmusic 3 years ago
This is GREAT. Thanks a bunch for sharing. :-)
frolll 3 years ago
fuckin wierd
aaron62688 3 years ago 2
I'm a huge Xenakis fan, and that's the way I like it!
SweetSweetWaldo 3 years ago 4
what software did you use to generate the spectral vid? thanks for posting.
shenaniganstv 3 years ago
I used Adobe Audition to play the piece in spectral view and then screen captured it.
babylonianman 3 years ago
yo could aslo use Isotope RX Complete audio resoration and spectrum soft.
try before you buy tho ;D
dawoof 3 years ago
can anyone recomend me some dimilar videos? music and image.
evillano 3 years ago
Not bad, really. This is a lot better than Xenakis's other works.
MarchiolyTorma 3 years ago
The parallel lines especially prominent near the beginning I'm guessing are harmonics from the violin?
tubulard 3 years ago
Ψηλά το λάβαρο της Ελληνικής Διανόησης! Ξενάκης-Χρήστου-Σκαλκώτας στον τομέα της Σύγχρονης Μουσικής!
5 αστέρια απο μένα!
HellenicMagic 3 years ago 2
γεια σου Ιαννη Ξενακη
ειμαστε υπερηφανοι για σενα
greekalphabet 3 years ago 3
Very good music .The video is very appropiate for this kind of music .I never heard Xenakis music before .Thanks for posting it .
Sylviamarta 3 years ago
excellent explnation of the video. Thanks for adding it. This has been one of the more interesting videos I have seen on you tube.
alejandro15187 3 years ago
he is from athens mpravo:D apo tin greece
he is a war hero and is born in 1922-2001 died
unforttunately am from skopja,yugoslavija and i dig yanni music and i know that he cuted tape lentgh for electronic uziq respect
katosushi 3 years ago
Merci for posting ! Excellent indeed. And Rosbaud conducting, too !
Leibo07 4 years ago
beautiful - wonderful. thank you
mommama 4 years ago
Thank you for posting this video. I love the Music.
almaguerjoel 4 years ago
I'm glad I'm getting some positive response because this kind of music is rather difficult for the average listener.
babylonianman 4 years ago
this is an excellent video... thank you for posting this
jiolsmolimassunemo 4 years ago
apo ton papa8anasiou ston xenaki e?
mpravo :D
ironexmaiden 4 years ago