BTW, I went rushing off to google, to see if Ms. Cornford made any response to Chesterton -- I didn't see that she had, but I did find a parody of her poem by Housman. It's not nearly as good as Chesterton's, & certainly not as humane, but it did make me laugh. O why do you walk through the fields in boots, Missing so much and so much? O fat white woman whom nobody shoots, Why do you walk through the fields in boots, When the grass is soft as the breast of coots And shiver
I hope I can still add a response, all these years later -- I just discovered your vlog yesterday. And I have to admit, I'll have to think a while before I can come up with anything to match this. A specific response to a specific poem just isn't leaping to mind.
However, here's a poetic response to someone's whole opus.
Although it is not a rejoinder in the literal sense, "The Last of the Light Brigade" by Kipling immediately springs to mind. It is written as a postscript to "The Charge of the Light Brigade" by Tennyson and... well, you'll have to read it to find out exactly what it is.
Marcus Valerius Martialis aka Martial, I don't know if he would be quite this same concept, but his poetry consists of witty responses to people both ordinary and those in power in his time.
What a wonderful representation of Chesterton......as a fan of his I could picture the delight he took in creating this poem. You certainly did it justice. Bravo young lady. May your enthusiasm grow forever.
Chesterton was a prolific writer and in my book a mind like no other. He influences Tolkien and C.S. Lewis. He believed that in order to enjoy life a person needs to be a mystic or else one will be too calculating and ultimately dull and avoided by people on the streets. Despite all of my reading I had never read that poem and although I did not think it was possible my admiration for him has grown even more...saw your music tastes did not see Roxy Music--check out "in every dream home".......
Second time someone has recommended Roxy Music to me this week..and before that I'd somehow never heard of them! Thank you! :) Will definitely explore their music and that particular song ;)
You may want to steer clear of that particular song. I had forgotten the subject matter but the performance of the song itself is truly unique to say the least. Maybe "Mother of pearl" by Roxy would be better. By the way Raven give Alam Parson's "Tales of mystery and imagination" a listen.............stay well and follow your bliss!
To the question of whether poetry or art can incite overzealous action, and whether the poet can thus be held accountable in some way for taking a side with the politics of the day the response by W.H. Auden to Yeats' 'Easter, 1916":
For poetry makes nothing happen: it survives
In the valley of its making where executives
Would never want to tamper, flows on south
From ranches of isolation and the busy griefs,
Raw towns that we believe and die in; it survives,
I have to say that after my rather long absence from the lands of Youtube it was an absolute pleasure to return and find in your electronic manor this delightful little video about these two intersecting poems. Your interpretation of both, needless to say, is flawless, and they are fascinating pieces of literature indeed. I'm quite glad you have brought them to my attention. Respectfully yours:
I had to move to a different apartment this weekend and I was sick with swine flu and an ear infection this week. T_T Will do a response when I catch up with my work.
the first poem sounds like shes criticizing a wealthy women for being too classy to allow her naked hands to touch the grass. poetry is not something i am familiar with, though.
I love watching your videos they're very entertaining and I feel I learn something new everytime. I'm very interested in finding more poetic rejoinders. I thought the one you read was quite cute.
I always enjoy your videos on u-tube because I always come away with a thought, idea or image. This reminded me how much I enjoy the wit and anti establishment views of GK Chesterton. It also reminded me that no poet should think they are supperior, or slag off characters in their poetry.
I guess in their own way, the poetic rejoinder was the 19th century version of a comment flame war. I wonder if you read it in Lolspeak if the analogy would be clearer!
From memory, wasn't there some sort of a running argument between Banjo Paterson and Henry Lawson that took this form? I wonder in that case who was the first to run foul of Godwin's Law?
I love this video by you, I honestly never even heard those kind of poems existed, I have learned a lot since I've been watching you so thank you for that.
PS: Two quick comments.. A) You look stunning, (as always). B) I appreciate the scholarly Videos, full of people and topics I know nothing about. Jen, you always force me to get off my behind, dust of the Wikipedia, and look things up! like lord Chesterton, for example, and the whole topic of "rejoinders" That's why I love your channel. Every topic is inviting and open-ended. : ) -Mr. B.
I don't have a "poetic" rejoinder on my finger tips just now, but I'll keep my mind open for one and maybe one will pop in. But I do have a favorite rejoinder:
Lady Astor became annoyed at an inebriated Winston Churchill, who was pontificating on some topic. Reaching the end of her patience, she blurted out, "Winston, if you were my husband, I'd put poison in your coffee." Churchill famously replied: "Nancy, if you were my wife, I'd drink it." Ha Ha ^^ : ) -Brian.
I had heard that quote a long while ago and forgotten it - how delightfully cheeky he was, hehe! Thank you for bringing it back from my lost memories =)
I added an annotation in the video with a note about that term "Old Dutch" now =) I looked it up too back when I first read the poem a few years ago, hehe
BTW, I went rushing off to google, to see if Ms. Cornford made any response to Chesterton -- I didn't see that she had, but I did find a parody of her poem by Housman. It's not nearly as good as Chesterton's, & certainly not as humane, but it did make me laugh. O why do you walk through the fields in boots, Missing so much and so much? O fat white woman whom nobody shoots, Why do you walk through the fields in boots, When the grass is soft as the breast of coots And shiver
deirdreaj1 3 months ago
Thank you ~~ this is brilliant!
I hope I can still add a response, all these years later -- I just discovered your vlog yesterday. And I have to admit, I'll have to think a while before I can come up with anything to match this. A specific response to a specific poem just isn't leaping to mind.
However, here's a poetic response to someone's whole opus.
My grasp of what he wrote and meant
Was only five or six %.
The rest was only words and sound--
My reference is to Ezra £.
- Flann O'Brien
deirdreaj1 3 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
i would fuck her
tomhark88 3 months ago
Although it is not a rejoinder in the literal sense, "The Last of the Light Brigade" by Kipling immediately springs to mind. It is written as a postscript to "The Charge of the Light Brigade" by Tennyson and... well, you'll have to read it to find out exactly what it is.
nohonor89 1 year ago
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nohonor89 1 year ago
Marcus Valerius Martialis aka Martial, I don't know if he would be quite this same concept, but his poetry consists of witty responses to people both ordinary and those in power in his time.
AidanTAKFW 1 year ago
What a wonderful representation of Chesterton......as a fan of his I could picture the delight he took in creating this poem. You certainly did it justice. Bravo young lady. May your enthusiasm grow forever.
Strollmanx 1 year ago
Thank you very much, Strollmanx! :)
TheRavenOfPoe 1 year ago
Chesterton was a prolific writer and in my book a mind like no other. He influences Tolkien and C.S. Lewis. He believed that in order to enjoy life a person needs to be a mystic or else one will be too calculating and ultimately dull and avoided by people on the streets. Despite all of my reading I had never read that poem and although I did not think it was possible my admiration for him has grown even more...saw your music tastes did not see Roxy Music--check out "in every dream home".......
Strollmanx 1 year ago
Second time someone has recommended Roxy Music to me this week..and before that I'd somehow never heard of them! Thank you! :) Will definitely explore their music and that particular song ;)
TheRavenOfPoe 1 year ago
You may want to steer clear of that particular song. I had forgotten the subject matter but the performance of the song itself is truly unique to say the least. Maybe "Mother of pearl" by Roxy would be better. By the way Raven give Alam Parson's "Tales of mystery and imagination" a listen.............stay well and follow your bliss!
Strollmanx 1 year ago
To the question of whether poetry or art can incite overzealous action, and whether the poet can thus be held accountable in some way for taking a side with the politics of the day the response by W.H. Auden to Yeats' 'Easter, 1916":
For poetry makes nothing happen: it survives
In the valley of its making where executives
Would never want to tamper, flows on south
From ranches of isolation and the busy griefs,
Raw towns that we believe and die in; it survives,
A way of happening, a mouth.
spydermojo 2 years ago
Dear miss Jennifer:
I hope this missive finds you in good health.
I have to say that after my rather long absence from the lands of Youtube it was an absolute pleasure to return and find in your electronic manor this delightful little video about these two intersecting poems. Your interpretation of both, needless to say, is flawless, and they are fascinating pieces of literature indeed. I'm quite glad you have brought them to my attention. Respectfully yours:
Rui Leite ;)
flan984 2 years ago
I had to move to a different apartment this weekend and I was sick with swine flu and an ear infection this week. T_T Will do a response when I catch up with my work.
ThreeofThree 2 years ago
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Mattsam1000 2 years ago
wait, I said: "sexy" but the comment got deleted?
Will1471987 2 years ago
no it's still there, hehe
If you click "See All Comments" you should be able to find it ;)
TheRavenOfPoe 2 years ago
interesting stuff. nicely done.
dmio2 2 years ago
hey, you're a cutie XD
joemanses 2 years ago
and do you realy like history ? :)
Mattsam1000 2 years ago
yes, very much so!
TheRavenOfPoe 2 years ago
what part of anchint history do you like? i like greek hope all is well
Mattsam1000 2 years ago
I find it all quite fascinating, but specialized in ancient Athens and Rome
TheRavenOfPoe 2 years ago
yeah it is all good and i like rome too and good choice :P hope all is good
Mattsam1000 2 years ago
great vid 5***** as allways and hope all is good
Mattsam1000 2 years ago
sexy.
Will1471987 2 years ago
I like it so much and so much.
5*****
all the best
Kean
keanghiero 2 years ago
the first poem sounds like shes criticizing a wealthy women for being too classy to allow her naked hands to touch the grass. poetry is not something i am familiar with, though.
rlvowell 2 years ago
Battle Poems should be a TV show.
frumpyframpton 2 years ago
hehe, I would be interested in watching that ;)
I guess the freestyle rap battles are already there ^^
TheRavenOfPoe 2 years ago
I love watching your videos they're very entertaining and I feel I learn something new everytime. I'm very interested in finding more poetic rejoinders. I thought the one you read was quite cute.
bbstaraimee 2 years ago
I loved your selections here and the connectivity between the two. Fascinating.
faved
Robby
robby63 2 years ago
Oh, I love this! I'm glad that he gave her a voice. The first poem seemed rather rude and pompous. That woman deserved to be heard. :)
yowee1234 2 years ago
many thanks for this....this it did it send me into bliss
I'm no poet & you know it, but you Angel are a delight
I feel contrite for my lack of, but feel bright
for your words are a kiss that I hope never to miss!! Gary :--)
ivebeenthere1 2 years ago
nice poem, gary!
dadasopher 2 years ago
thank you Gary, hehe! =)
TheRavenOfPoe 2 years ago
Charming Miss Raven. Your humour and choice are inscrutably unique.
5*s
Angelo
ASAngelo 2 years ago
thank you =)
TheRavenOfPoe 2 years ago
Eek! Now, I realize I will have to find the one I'm thinking of. T_T
ThreeofThree 2 years ago
I will do a response next weekend. :D I have a test, a quiz, two papers, and...I don't know what else this week.
ThreeofThree 2 years ago
goodluck with the quiz and essays! I look forward to your response! =)
TheRavenOfPoe 2 years ago
I find your timing to seem instinctual yet excellently executed.
shortymir 2 years ago
thank you very much!
TheRavenOfPoe 2 years ago
Very good video, very interesting.. I wish I hadn't given up on poetry so much. I actually wrote a poem in Ukraine, I'll have to send it to you ;)
blueastcoast 2 years ago
yes please! =)
TheRavenOfPoe 2 years ago
Very interesting! thanks for sharing :)
janeczka 2 years ago
13 hours later and I STILL can't think of a witty response to this video :P
5*/faved
DavidRandallCurtis 2 years ago
lol! That in itself was witty, David!
TheRavenOfPoe 2 years ago
I always enjoy your videos on u-tube because I always come away with a thought, idea or image. This reminded me how much I enjoy the wit and anti establishment views of GK Chesterton. It also reminded me that no poet should think they are supperior, or slag off characters in their poetry.
Thanks for posting this,
Kind regards, Peter
nordicsky 2 years ago
lol I really enjoyed that and it was interesting. Thanks Jennifer :)
Sugartalker 2 years ago
Thanks ST! =)
TheRavenOfPoe 2 years ago
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Mattsam1000 2 years ago
that is a very clever and interesting reply, as she has a voice, as you say.
thanks for posting.
benzone50 2 years ago
I guess in their own way, the poetic rejoinder was the 19th century version of a comment flame war. I wonder if you read it in Lolspeak if the analogy would be clearer!
From memory, wasn't there some sort of a running argument between Banjo Paterson and Henry Lawson that took this form? I wonder in that case who was the first to run foul of Godwin's Law?
zebidee55 2 years ago
hehe 19th century flamewar for certain ;)
I'll have to look into that Paterson/Lawson argument ^^
TheRavenOfPoe 2 years ago
I love this video by you, I honestly never even heard those kind of poems existed, I have learned a lot since I've been watching you so thank you for that.
ripley4O77 2 years ago
Thank you for the encouragment too! =)
TheRavenOfPoe 2 years ago
Always a Pleasure to hear from you! No mincing words there!...Fat headed poet that nobody reads! Ha!
-Dennis
wdciii 2 years ago
That is my favourite line of all, hehe!
TheRavenOfPoe 2 years ago
Very amusing, that was. The original certainly was blunt and rather unjustifiably rude. Where does Corny get off writing something like that?
TheRealGentleman 2 years ago
There was a young lady from Ealing...lol its a winner ;) honest ..
ZED74 2 years ago
Who liked to sip on Darjeeling
She said, "how are you feeling"
I said "why are you reeling"
oink! little piggy, start squeeling.
wizardeal 2 years ago
hehe!
TheRavenOfPoe 2 years ago
What's so special about poems?
OdeToNecrophilia 2 years ago
that was really cool, I had never heard of such a thing like this:) thanks for sharing
jeffwolfheart 2 years ago
Ouch! Smacked about the head and neck with sharply crafted words.
What a fantastic way to be combative and cultured at the same time.
I was unfamilliar with this form of poetry; thank you for teaching me something new.
MARSHOMEWORLD 2 years ago 2
I agree! And you're quite welcome =)
TheRavenOfPoe 2 years ago
PS: Two quick comments.. A) You look stunning, (as always). B) I appreciate the scholarly Videos, full of people and topics I know nothing about. Jen, you always force me to get off my behind, dust of the Wikipedia, and look things up! like lord Chesterton, for example, and the whole topic of "rejoinders" That's why I love your channel. Every topic is inviting and open-ended. : ) -Mr. B.
LoveMattersMost 2 years ago
Thank you very much, your words always hearten me =)
TheRavenOfPoe 2 years ago
I don't have a "poetic" rejoinder on my finger tips just now, but I'll keep my mind open for one and maybe one will pop in. But I do have a favorite rejoinder:
Lady Astor became annoyed at an inebriated Winston Churchill, who was pontificating on some topic. Reaching the end of her patience, she blurted out, "Winston, if you were my husband, I'd put poison in your coffee." Churchill famously replied: "Nancy, if you were my wife, I'd drink it." Ha Ha ^^ : ) -Brian.
LoveMattersMost 2 years ago
I had heard that quote a long while ago and forgotten it - how delightfully cheeky he was, hehe! Thank you for bringing it back from my lost memories =)
TheRavenOfPoe 2 years ago
Thanks for posting. I sometimes like Chesterton.
mft1234 2 years ago
Was that rejoinder flagged as spam?
twin7819 2 years ago
My thoughts exactly! (see main comment below)
zebidee55 2 years ago
did the other author hear the rejoinder
JoshieWellsy 2 years ago
I would be interested to know that too! :)
TheRavenOfPoe 2 years ago
Hi Jen,
That is a clever rejoinder indeed.
I do not have any for you to enjoy, I do not read poetry.
PerthPete1 2 years ago
Thanks!
If someone is as puzzled as I was by the Old Dutch this might help: theohreally (.) com/?p=1240
telofy 2 years ago
I added an annotation in the video with a note about that term "Old Dutch" now =) I looked it up too back when I first read the poem a few years ago, hehe
TheRavenOfPoe 2 years ago
that was good
MakotoShishio5 2 years ago
That was great. I love how the style of the original poem was incorparated into the rejoinder.
xpoc 2 years ago
So do I! I think that is why it is one of my favourites =)
TheRavenOfPoe 2 years ago
O girl with braided hair, how sweet to listen, echoes of long ago brought to life, vivid,as if just yesterday. :)
moob744 2 years ago
thank you :)
TheRavenOfPoe 2 years ago
That was great, i like to listen to you reading poetry
:-)
twish1999 2 years ago
thank you Twish!
TheRavenOfPoe 2 years ago