Forget the mangled history and enjoy the song. These boys are true artists. I was listening to the Ian Campbell version of "Baron O'Brackley" (superb) based on a real incident and subsequently found it was based on 2 incidents 80 years apart and the wife was respectably married to a Dr a few years later! So please enjoy it as a cracking song and leave the history lessons to other sites.
I also think that we need to remain a united nation, but all this is a song about a battle long long ago, of whom many many great men died for nowt but lead us to unite, against oppression which was the formation of the UNITED KINGDOM.
@pawnbrocker00 plenty pro British videos my channel,because I,m BRITISH AND PROUD,this sort of guff breeds anti English sentiment as you,ve just proved,any spelling mistakes in that bawbag?
@pawnbrocker00 plenty pro British videos my channel,because I,m BRITISH AND PROUD,this sort of guff breeds anti English sentiment as you,ve just proved,any spelling mistakes in that bawbag.
Jacobite propaganda,end of story,doesn,t matter if it,s a tune or not,the entire lyrics are a lie,and therefore makes the song something that the scots are good at,avoiding reality.
@theneil100 you have about a million pro-england videos, regularly put rubbish in video comments, and cant write sentences or spell properly. Nice! I'm not going to argue with your comment because i know you will just make a shit roll. A good song is a good song, even if you think it is rubbish.
@gemmahanson The reason there is so much debate is that these events still have a profound effect on Scotland to this day. As P.H Scott said (the failure of the Jacobites and passage of Union has produced), "a sense of weariness, of the absence of hope and of lacerating self-contempt". Piper boy is an immature, swagger and bullshit internet hardman who couldny hit water if he fell out a boat.
My absolutely favourite by the Corries...I know it since 1976! First I thought must be Horse of Cromdale until a Scottish student came to our communitiy and slept in our house. I took him up by car! And he said to me: "Haughs of Cromdale"....!
I have here about 6 CD's of the Corries.
The Corries will lead Scotlland to be a nation once again. As the time has come now! go and make a Nation Once Again. England ist on the loose!
@MrGorebhoy you really are a tit the song has nothing to do with scotish freedom. There as a scotish king on the thrown of britain. This was a battle over relgion. And Oh in case you are wondering Montrose was a royalist
@RapeJesusWithAStick Most such Jacobite songs were written in the late 18th and 19th centuries as a way of expressing sympathise for nationalist and radical politics, but in such a manner as to avoid reprisal from Unionist authorities. Burns' "Scots Wha Hae", for example, was written as a radical anthem, using William Wallace as a stand-in for the the exiled radical leader Thomas Muir and the Bruce's army as the Scottish radicals of the day.
@Traitorfish Not that 'Scots Wha Hae' was a Jacobite song. The period it alludes to is about 400 years earler. Cromdale is a good song but the lyrics make little sense. The real battle was Scot v Scot in the first Jacobite Rising. Yet this song seems to be about a battle between an army led by Montrose and a Cromwellian English army. Never happened - and if it did it wouldn't be a Jacobite song! Those guys lived about 50 years before the first Jacobite Rebellion.
Why do people have to comment on politics and winning/losing great historic battles. Why can people not listen to the song for what it is, a song! Great words, great rythm and over all great voices combined brilliantly together!
@gemmahanson Some of us just like to fight, the blood starts to boil, you snap that bayonet on the end of your rifle inside your head and you just want to kill. You either have that blood in you or you don't. Any excuse for a fight, verbal or otherwise, can't be helped. We fight wars, our fathers fought wars, our fathers fathers, etc. etc.
Here I come back months later to rest something. Montroses spirit rang thru these battles, with tune and fair to Montrose. He was "spirit" guidance for many of the volunteers and trained fighters. Aye for a good tune and great compnay.
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Montrose was dead himself years before the Cromdale battles began, and his last line kin and grand kin were well after the years of battle ready-ness by about 10-15 years (60-80) so why would Montrose be quoted and stated in this song?
who cares guys! stop thinking so much! this song is playing on emotions and if you don`t want your emotions played upon in the first place don`t listen to it! It is an incredible song and I for one think the Scottish won a great deal more battles than they are given credit for because as we all know the victor, in the end, writes the history books we all learned from... Was Montrose there? nope.. but who is to say the song is referring to only one time period? Burns was creative..he gets respect
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Montrose was dead himself years before the Cromdale battles began, and his last line kin and grand kin were well after the years of battle ready-ness by about 10-15 years (60-80) so why would Montrose be quoted and stated in this song? I dont mind, Montrose won many a battle and will forever have a place in my heart!
A fine song, but as agreyfox says, it's not historically accurate. There WAS a battle at Cromdale in 1690 in which the clan were routed, but the follow-up "victory" never happened, and both Montrose and Cromwell were 40 years in the past at that time. I think the 2nd battle that the song describes represents wishful thinking of what MIGHT have happened if Montrose had still been around in 1690. Still, it's a fine rousing song!
Not made up so much as confused, perhaps? I think it conflates two different battles fought at the same place, which should, like you say, have had much longer between them.... ?
anyway. didn't say i didn't enjoy the song......just pointed out it wasn't historically correct for all those "90 minute" nationalists who know nothing of their history!!
I love this tune, I am stationed in Iraq and play this one on my pipes when the wogs mortar and rocket us. The don't get close enough to spear them on the bayonet, my preferred responce (no claymore available) but I hope they can hear the Haugh's O'Cromdale.
The wogs as you call them are proud warriors ya feckin prick. Scottish and proud know yer enemy ya baw bag. You took the Queens shilling like i did don't confuse who the enemy is.
Let me gie you a bit of a history lesson ya plum. We left the suez with our tail between our legs when the yanks told us to bolt or they were going to bankrupt us by stopping to support the pound which was on the slide. Your dads 303 had feck all to do with it brave as he and all his comrades were. Just as your 7.62 rounds will do us no good in in Helmund, read your history books my friend before spouting pish.
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I am sorry, what with me living in the real world and not just reading about it, I was confused. I read up on the proud warriors who try to blow me up on a weekly basis and their glory is without equal. Here are some of the most proud wog moments in battle, Pan Am 103 (killed a girl I grew up with), Rape of 50 girls then used as suicide bombers lead by Samira Ahmed Jassim, Iraq, (I guess the men were busy fighting someplace else, proud as they are).
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then we have the twin towers, fighting the pork eating devils. I think we should build a statue to every brave wog, right on the Somme, if you get on that I will start handing out the black sheets for all females to cover up in.
ps just so as you don't make an even bigger prick of yourself the last scottish forces eg raf regiment pulled out of basra this week. we aint been ducking mortars and rockets for months now you silly boy. I think you are just another keyboard hardman to scared to open your mouth in the real world as you know fine someone would fill it for you.
as a Member of the Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry with two combat tours to Afghanistan I must say that we call our rear Ech WOGs (with out Guts) however the proud warriors sorry walkie I have yet to see any unless they were Americans, Brits (Scots included), Aussies or Canadians.
Don't be bitter about taking the shilling clearly you did not have a good time prehaps it was that attitude of yours
I'm reading a very good book about the heros of Kohima (Burma campaign) the hill tribes from India who you would call wogs were most certainly proud warriors and fought along side us against the Japanese. You haven't seen them as you live with your eyes and your mind closed. Check out the WW1 grave sites in France and Belgium and see how many wogs died there defending the empire not just Aussies and Canadians who also heeded the call. Cheers.
@walkie311 Honestly, and with an open mind, they are just awful awful soldiers, braver here than in Iraq by a little but train train train and they still just hold the AK up over their head, look the other way and shoot in the air everytime we get into it for real. I would trade them all for 3 Argyll's and a drunk Marine.
@alastairppcli Hey, I have been fighting now in Afghan for 10 months (winter was slow) these clowns are even worse soldiers than the douche bags in Iraq. I stood in the middle of the road shooting and they couldn't hit me from 100 meters.
George Findlater VC (16 February 1872, Mill of Turriff, Aberdeenshire 4 March 1942, Turriff, Aberdeenshire) was a Scottish recipient of the Victoria Cross, the highest and most prestigious award for gallantry in the face of the enemy that can be awarded to British and Commonwealth forces.
He was 25 years old, and a Piper in the 1st Battalion, The Gordon Highlanders, British Army during the Tirah Campaign which took place in the North-West Frontier Province of British India.
On 20 October 1897 during the attack on the Dargai Heights, Tirah, Piper Findlater, after being shot through both feet and unable to stand, propped himself against a boulder and went on playing the regimental march under heavy fire, to encourage the advance.
Whilst it is officially recorded that he played the regimental march - Cock o'the North - during the advance, this is often disputed. Findlater himself later commented that he was not sure what to play, and chose a strathspey, Haughs of Cromdale, as more fitting to the pace of the advance - a charge, not a march.
He later achieved the rank of Pipe-Major.
His Victoria Cross is displayed at the Gordon Highlanders Museum (Aberdeen, Scotland).
British nationalism ain't. Scots have just as strong a say as the English and the crown of a united Britain began with the Scottish line.
also anyone claiming scotland as a colony are morons as the scots played a great show in building the British empire - india, africa, america, australia et cetera.
Scotland's contribution to the British Empire ends at Whisky. More people migrate from Scotland than any other place in Europe!Why? Because it's a shithole. Full of jailbait losers and imbred pissheads
HaHa ya fools - can't ye see it? - we Scots rule the UK!! look at Parliament! never mind splitting from the UK - take the UK over and expand Scotland's name and power!
OOH!! get her! what are you daein' listening tae the composers of "Flower of Scotland" singing about an English defeat by Scottish forces? By the way how are things in the Championship? Oh wait a minute - it's League 1 now right enough!
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LOL! "an English defeat by Scottish forces"?! The song's about the Battle of Cromdale you thick jock twat. I recently went for a quite drink in the pub in Cromdale and got into a spot of bother with the locals for letting them know my thoughts !
The song also mentions Montrose who fought in the English Civil War, and died 41 years before the battle of Cromdale. Oliver Cromwell is also mentioned at the end of the song as being defeated by Montrose. So its like the name of a Jacobite battle is used to describe events of the English Civil War 40 years earlier.
My family name is what this song is about. We were grahams and got ran out. Afraid we would all be killed we reversed our name to MAHARG. Over time we added some letters and now are the McHargues. We are accepted in the Graham clan.
you go to a folk bar and sit in a session and then someone from special branch starts harrassing you because of separatism and nationalism undermining national security ...
so the supression continues. what a surprise. I am a folk musician living in Australia and would gladly take a beating every night from authorities if it meant keeping this stuff alive. It is a part of history, and I and my band will continue to keep the Jacobite cause alive so long as we breathe.
To bad music like this is viewed as "nerdy", in modern America, and indeed even in Scotland. THIS is music, the shit kids listen to these days is nothing, it has no meaning or soul, and because of this our youth have no spirit, no heritage. My son will know real music when he grows, or I'll be damned.
Well said Yealdin . You'll be giving your son a great strength of character as he grows . The evil influence of mtv and rap etc will overpower him , but teach him to fight it, and keep the soul stirring ballads of old fresh in his heart. It's a pity Roy is now dead . I saw them in 1987 in my town and I'll never forget that night . I came out of the theatre with melodies swirling round in my head . They have never left me .
keep the jewish mtv influence of your children indeed. stimulate their creativity and give them the chance to learn to play and appreciate music and develop themselves individually. these days you only see groups of people. very few stick out.
You got that right, I blame TV personally. Why read, compose songs, or tell tales when a big plastic box tells you what's funny, hip, and interesting?
Don't like them missing the end of 6th verse and the beginning of 7th, where more Highland clans mentioned: ...M'Intosh played a bloody game Upon the haughs of Cromdale. The M'Gregors fought like lions bold, M'Phersons, none could them control, M'Lauchlins fought like loyal souls Upon the haughs of Cromdale. M'Leans, M'Dougals, and M'Neils, So boldly as they took the field, And made their enemies to yield Upon the haughs of Cromdale. The Gordons boldly did advance...
the spirit of the song and celebration isn't about reciting an encyclopaedia of scottish clans .. its about conveying the art and the music ... this 'don't like them' idea of yours needs to expand ... whatever clans you want in .. there are surely a hundred more ... its the spirit of the song that counts
anyone know where you can download corrie songs onto mp3 as an mp3 file i ripped some of a cd but all my other fave corrie songs are on about 7 different cassetes somewhere in my room
This song is two battles brought into one, the jacobite defeat at Cromdale in 1689 and the jacobite victory at Auldearn in 1645. The great Montrose was the commander at Auldearn and had died well before 1689. Still some tune tho
its about clavers victory (and alas death at killiekrankie) so instead of the dunkeld defeat the writer has ressurected the duke of montrose to win victory for james VII. nice jacobite sentiment
this song could get me to go into battle. :) its slightly too bad such things start to get lost over time through the generations. *sigh* I like such songs ayway. :)
One thing I hate to mention, because I love this song so much is that this battle never happened this way. The actual battle at Cromdale was a Jacobite defeat, and the Marquis of Montrose had been dead for several years when it took place.
Wrong battle of Cromdale- perhaps you didn't notice that Cromwell (who the losing side were fighting for) had also been dead for quite some time, i.e. the battle your reffering to was 32 years after Cromwells death and, would suggest that the song claims that royalist were fighting for him. Not happening.
First off, even today the British troops are still known as "Cromwell's Men" circa "Men behind the Wire" a '70s protest song. Secondly check the facts jack, Google "haughs o'cromdale, first link should be to a page called scotsindependent, bottom of the page, it's a combo of Auldearn and the Jacobite defeat at Cromdale.
"A battle took place on 30 April, 1690, in which a Jacobite force was routed on the low ground (haughs) at Cromdale in Morayshire by government forces."
James Hogg, the Ettrick shepherd, later wrote a song about the defeat which became very popular. But then an unknown bard, unhappy with the story of a lost battle, added an exaggerated description of Montrose's victory over the Covenanters at Auldearn in 1645. Despite the muddled history and the fact that Montrose had been dead for 40 years before the conflict at Cromdale, the ballad remained popular.
Its about regional pride, and the effectiveness of a small force on a larger one if the belief is there. Many excellent books on the Marquis of Montrose, he was one of the greatest military generals the UK has seen. (And hands on)
you have to understand that is is of the fight the battle of being defeated once and not giving up of continuing the fight, My Ancestors though not of the Camerons or the Gordons fought for them tracable to the first war, take up that fight, that ancient quarrel and see it through and it is that combat that drive that is what the song is driving at.
Cameron's did their standards join, this part of the song always gives me a chill, no matter what stance you take on the nationality issue, as a soldier
Forget the mangled history and enjoy the song. These boys are true artists. I was listening to the Ian Campbell version of "Baron O'Brackley" (superb) based on a real incident and subsequently found it was based on 2 incidents 80 years apart and the wife was respectably married to a Dr a few years later! So please enjoy it as a cracking song and leave the history lessons to other sites.
Asiseeit13 1 month ago
I also think that we need to remain a united nation, but all this is a song about a battle long long ago, of whom many many great men died for nowt but lead us to unite, against oppression which was the formation of the UNITED KINGDOM.
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@pawpawbear02 so you like being dictated to by england
Phantom6051 3 weeks ago
The sounds of the Corries filled oor hoose everyday as I grew up gr8 jist gr8 !!!!!!!
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@pawnbrocker00 plenty pro British videos my channel,because I,m BRITISH AND PROUD,this sort of guff breeds anti English sentiment as you,ve just proved,any spelling mistakes in that bawbag?
theneil100 4 months ago
@pawnbrocker00 plenty pro British videos my channel,because I,m BRITISH AND PROUD,this sort of guff breeds anti English sentiment as you,ve just proved,any spelling mistakes in that bawbag.
theneil100 4 months ago
Jacobite propaganda,end of story,doesn,t matter if it,s a tune or not,the entire lyrics are a lie,and therefore makes the song something that the scots are good at,avoiding reality.
theneil100 4 months ago
@theneil100 you have about a million pro-england videos, regularly put rubbish in video comments, and cant write sentences or spell properly. Nice! I'm not going to argue with your comment because i know you will just make a shit roll. A good song is a good song, even if you think it is rubbish.
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braw!guid ang like!
superraptor65 9 months ago
@gemmahanson The reason there is so much debate is that these events still have a profound effect on Scotland to this day. As P.H Scott said (the failure of the Jacobites and passage of Union has produced), "a sense of weariness, of the absence of hope and of lacerating self-contempt". Piper boy is an immature, swagger and bullshit internet hardman who couldny hit water if he fell out a boat.
bachinlennon67 10 months ago
Such a shame, scotland is dominated by colonists and now the natives speak english or a creole language.
Pawnbroker00 1 year ago
My absolutely favourite by the Corries...I know it since 1976! First I thought must be Horse of Cromdale until a Scottish student came to our communitiy and slept in our house. I took him up by car! And he said to me: "Haughs of Cromdale"....!
I have here about 6 CD's of the Corries.
The Corries will lead Scotlland to be a nation once again. As the time has come now! go and make a Nation Once Again. England ist on the loose!
1234Krueger 1 year ago 2
Crackin tune, was brought up near cromdale, really reminds me o hame
trootoo11 1 year ago 2
the grand mckenzie it gets the f#9)&Q blood bubblin
boabmax 1 year ago
a total fiction, bit fit an affa guid sang!
klmklm194 1 year ago
great song
tomhamilton8 1 year ago
scotland will br free
MrGorebhoy 1 year ago
@MrGorebhoy you really are a tit the song has nothing to do with scotish freedom. There as a scotish king on the thrown of britain. This was a battle over relgion. And Oh in case you are wondering Montrose was a royalist
RapeJesusWithAStick 1 year ago
@RapeJesusWithAStick Most such Jacobite songs were written in the late 18th and 19th centuries as a way of expressing sympathise for nationalist and radical politics, but in such a manner as to avoid reprisal from Unionist authorities. Burns' "Scots Wha Hae", for example, was written as a radical anthem, using William Wallace as a stand-in for the the exiled radical leader Thomas Muir and the Bruce's army as the Scottish radicals of the day.
Traitorfish 1 year ago
@Traitorfish Not that 'Scots Wha Hae' was a Jacobite song. The period it alludes to is about 400 years earler. Cromdale is a good song but the lyrics make little sense. The real battle was Scot v Scot in the first Jacobite Rising. Yet this song seems to be about a battle between an army led by Montrose and a Cromwellian English army. Never happened - and if it did it wouldn't be a Jacobite song! Those guys lived about 50 years before the first Jacobite Rebellion.
gaconnochie 9 months ago
Why do people have to comment on politics and winning/losing great historic battles. Why can people not listen to the song for what it is, a song! Great words, great rythm and over all great voices combined brilliantly together!
gemmahanson 1 year ago
@gemmahanson Some of us just like to fight, the blood starts to boil, you snap that bayonet on the end of your rifle inside your head and you just want to kill. You either have that blood in you or you don't. Any excuse for a fight, verbal or otherwise, can't be helped. We fight wars, our fathers fought wars, our fathers fathers, etc. etc.
pipes0987 1 year ago 2
LOVE this song
SPARTANDUDE123 1 year ago
RIP Roy Williamson (1936-1990)
98jejq 1 year ago 6
The Haughs O' CRUSTY
ftryew 1 year ago
This is one of the greatest song in the world! (my opinion ^^)
Can anyone maybe send me the cords or tabs for this song?
Because i cant find it on the world wide web ;)
VincentValentin12345 2 years ago 2
As the corries said themselves the lyrics are artistic licence stretched to limit!
take two battles about 50 years apart ,reverse the order they happened in and then condense the story into a 24hr period!!
Geniusss
cathod999 2 years ago 5
Here I come back months later to rest something. Montroses spirit rang thru these battles, with tune and fair to Montrose. He was "spirit" guidance for many of the volunteers and trained fighters. Aye for a good tune and great compnay.
bradhorn14 2 years ago
BSFLRT007 call me this is dave
BIGxDAVE77 2 years ago
No,the original ending is 500 men,not 5000
grumpybloke 2 years ago
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RemusChocolade 2 years ago
thanx for the share man! I heard and bought their lp's in 1982 and bought their cd's in the 90's!
thanks again from Norway
gunthaarz 2 years ago 14
Rosswat and japanRussell get it. Good music and good listening.
ZieEarendilKonig 2 years ago 4
Montrose was long gone... Who cares.. Enjoy the song already. The musical artistry here is in top form.
ZieEarendilKonig 2 years ago 6
japanRussell is right. Just listen to the honking song and enjoy it ya?!
LastvanLichtenGlorie 2 years ago 6
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Montrose was dead himself years before the Cromdale battles began, and his last line kin and grand kin were well after the years of battle ready-ness by about 10-15 years (60-80) so why would Montrose be quoted and stated in this song?
So what???????
1234Krueger 2 years ago
who cares guys! stop thinking so much! this song is playing on emotions and if you don`t want your emotions played upon in the first place don`t listen to it! It is an incredible song and I for one think the Scottish won a great deal more battles than they are given credit for because as we all know the victor, in the end, writes the history books we all learned from... Was Montrose there? nope.. but who is to say the song is referring to only one time period? Burns was creative..he gets respect
japanrussell 2 years ago 34
WELL SAID SIR
johnny65 2 years ago
so fuckin what just enjoy the tune an stop bein anal
rosswatt1979 2 years ago 3
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Montrose was dead himself years before the Cromdale battles began, and his last line kin and grand kin were well after the years of battle ready-ness by about 10-15 years (60-80) so why would Montrose be quoted and stated in this song? I dont mind, Montrose won many a battle and will forever have a place in my heart!
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bradhorn14 2 years ago
A fine song, but as agreyfox says, it's not historically accurate. There WAS a battle at Cromdale in 1690 in which the clan were routed, but the follow-up "victory" never happened, and both Montrose and Cromwell were 40 years in the past at that time. I think the 2nd battle that the song describes represents wishful thinking of what MIGHT have happened if Montrose had still been around in 1690. Still, it's a fine rousing song!
bandz08 2 years ago
Wishful thinking, but a great song anyway. Had Montrose been there...
JeannieTomlin 2 years ago
A great song... but as greyfox says, historically it's bunkum!!
bandz08 2 years ago
song is made up history.....montrose died 40 years before......its hokum!
agreyfox 2 years ago
Not made up so much as confused, perhaps? I think it conflates two different battles fought at the same place, which should, like you say, have had much longer between them.... ?
I do like the song, though.
FatalBellman 2 years ago 3
is a song twerp, just enjoy it
BroodofLoki 2 years ago
"it" is a song twerp is what i think you were trying to say.........who's the twerp now!!
agreyfox 2 years ago
anyway. didn't say i didn't enjoy the song......just pointed out it wasn't historically correct for all those "90 minute" nationalists who know nothing of their history!!
scottishkendo 2 years ago 2
the corries are the best folk group I have ever heard!
DaretaeDream 3 years ago
the Corries were just amazing
gataflacha 3 years ago 3
scotland forever
jimmybhoy4 3 years ago 2
I love this tune, I am stationed in Iraq and play this one on my pipes when the wogs mortar and rocket us. The don't get close enough to spear them on the bayonet, my preferred responce (no claymore available) but I hope they can hear the Haugh's O'Cromdale.
pipes0987 3 years ago
The wogs as you call them are proud warriors ya feckin prick. Scottish and proud know yer enemy ya baw bag. You took the Queens shilling like i did don't confuse who the enemy is.
walkie311 3 years ago
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Proud at how fast they can run from me or my dads .303 in the Suez.
pipes0987 3 years ago
Let me gie you a bit of a history lesson ya plum. We left the suez with our tail between our legs when the yanks told us to bolt or they were going to bankrupt us by stopping to support the pound which was on the slide. Your dads 303 had feck all to do with it brave as he and all his comrades were. Just as your 7.62 rounds will do us no good in in Helmund, read your history books my friend before spouting pish.
walkie311 3 years ago 3
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I am just glad to have a war to play my bagpipes in, it matters not to them who hears the sound or why.
pipes0987 3 years ago
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I am sorry, what with me living in the real world and not just reading about it, I was confused. I read up on the proud warriors who try to blow me up on a weekly basis and their glory is without equal. Here are some of the most proud wog moments in battle, Pan Am 103 (killed a girl I grew up with), Rape of 50 girls then used as suicide bombers lead by Samira Ahmed Jassim, Iraq, (I guess the men were busy fighting someplace else, proud as they are).
pipes0987 3 years ago
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then we have the twin towers, fighting the pork eating devils. I think we should build a statue to every brave wog, right on the Somme, if you get on that I will start handing out the black sheets for all females to cover up in.
pipes0987 3 years ago
You sound like a silly little racist who has never served in the army in their life.
walkie311 3 years ago 4
ps just so as you don't make an even bigger prick of yourself the last scottish forces eg raf regiment pulled out of basra this week. we aint been ducking mortars and rockets for months now you silly boy. I think you are just another keyboard hardman to scared to open your mouth in the real world as you know fine someone would fill it for you.
walkie311 3 years ago
I respect your opinions, I am infact in Iraq at this moment but can't say where or what I do, and hope we can just agree to disagree. cheers
pipes0987 2 years ago
LOL the typical ambiguous poser response.
CheechMarin4TW 2 years ago
@CheechMarin4TW I haven't forgotten. Your mom smells like cheese.
pipes0987 7 months ago
as a Member of the Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry with two combat tours to Afghanistan I must say that we call our rear Ech WOGs (with out Guts) however the proud warriors sorry walkie I have yet to see any unless they were Americans, Brits (Scots included), Aussies or Canadians.
Don't be bitter about taking the shilling clearly you did not have a good time prehaps it was that attitude of yours
alastairppcli 2 years ago
I'm reading a very good book about the heros of Kohima (Burma campaign) the hill tribes from India who you would call wogs were most certainly proud warriors and fought along side us against the Japanese. You haven't seen them as you live with your eyes and your mind closed. Check out the WW1 grave sites in France and Belgium and see how many wogs died there defending the empire not just Aussies and Canadians who also heeded the call. Cheers.
walkie311 2 years ago
@walkie311 Honestly, and with an open mind, they are just awful awful soldiers, braver here than in Iraq by a little but train train train and they still just hold the AK up over their head, look the other way and shoot in the air everytime we get into it for real. I would trade them all for 3 Argyll's and a drunk Marine.
pipes0987 7 months ago 3
@pipes0987 There needs to be a way to like a comment more than once.
Cadeyrnable 4 months ago
LOL And this relates to the Haughs O'Cromdale How? Guys, rein in all that testosterone.
JeannieTomlin 2 years ago 2
@alastairppcli Hey, I have been fighting now in Afghan for 10 months (winter was slow) these clowns are even worse soldiers than the douche bags in Iraq. I stood in the middle of the road shooting and they couldn't hit me from 100 meters.
pipes0987 7 months ago
George Findlater VC (16 February 1872, Mill of Turriff, Aberdeenshire 4 March 1942, Turriff, Aberdeenshire) was a Scottish recipient of the Victoria Cross, the highest and most prestigious award for gallantry in the face of the enemy that can be awarded to British and Commonwealth forces.
He was 25 years old, and a Piper in the 1st Battalion, The Gordon Highlanders, British Army during the Tirah Campaign which took place in the North-West Frontier Province of British India.
pekoe67 3 years ago 2
On 20 October 1897 during the attack on the Dargai Heights, Tirah, Piper Findlater, after being shot through both feet and unable to stand, propped himself against a boulder and went on playing the regimental march under heavy fire, to encourage the advance.
pekoe67 3 years ago 2
Whilst it is officially recorded that he played the regimental march - Cock o'the North - during the advance, this is often disputed. Findlater himself later commented that he was not sure what to play, and chose a strathspey, Haughs of Cromdale, as more fitting to the pace of the advance - a charge, not a march.
He later achieved the rank of Pipe-Major.
His Victoria Cross is displayed at the Gordon Highlanders Museum (Aberdeen, Scotland).
-Wikipedia
pekoe67 3 years ago
Play nice my friends. ?
RUNRIGFAN99 3 years ago
now thats a song!
murrayrrfc 3 years ago 2
Great track, however Nationalism is a fools erand
jabborn01 3 years ago
British nationalism ain't. Scots have just as strong a say as the English and the crown of a united Britain began with the Scottish line.
also anyone claiming scotland as a colony are morons as the scots played a great show in building the British empire - india, africa, america, australia et cetera.
willyrobinson 3 years ago
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Scotland's contribution to the British Empire ends at Whisky. More people migrate from Scotland than any other place in Europe!Why? Because it's a shithole. Full of jailbait losers and imbred pissheads
leeds101 3 years ago
then scotland should be head of state and the english colonies should be treated as such... colonies....
spr65 3 years ago
HaHa ya fools - can't ye see it? - we Scots rule the UK!! look at Parliament! never mind splitting from the UK - take the UK over and expand Scotland's name and power!
billyconnearly 3 years ago
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You rule fuck all you Jock arsehole. Scotland's a sad grey place where men drink by day and bugger each other by night.
leeds101 3 years ago
neither do u unless yer a jew
rosswatt1979 3 years ago
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I am Jewish. Now bow down and open your mouth.
leeds101 3 years ago
we shall be free from english ruls alba am brath
jimmybhoy4 3 years ago 4
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No you shall not you silly jock prick!
leeds101 3 years ago
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tarrboy 3 years ago
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Will they meet us on the battle field? NO. Too scared.
leeds101 3 years ago
Oh NO?? We took ye up tae Ibrox and skelped yer arse - then we came doon tae Elland Road and shoved it right up ye again! haha
billyconnearly 3 years ago
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It's all arses with you eh?! Bent jock bastard! Benefit cheats and piss heads, that's Scotland's other contribution to Europe
leeds101 3 years ago
OOH!! get her! what are you daein' listening tae the composers of "Flower of Scotland" singing about an English defeat by Scottish forces? By the way how are things in the Championship? Oh wait a minute - it's League 1 now right enough!
billyconnearly 3 years ago
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LOL! "an English defeat by Scottish forces"?! The song's about the Battle of Cromdale you thick jock twat. I recently went for a quite drink in the pub in Cromdale and got into a spot of bother with the locals for letting them know my thoughts !
leeds101 3 years ago
he said the composers of flower of scotland
rosswatt1979 3 years ago
Great song & perfomance - but the lyrics are a fiction - the Jacobites lost the battle of cromdale
AlanBreck 3 years ago
The song also mentions Montrose who fought in the English Civil War, and died 41 years before the battle of Cromdale. Oliver Cromwell is also mentioned at the end of the song as being defeated by Montrose. So its like the name of a Jacobite battle is used to describe events of the English Civil War 40 years earlier.
tkwasny1 3 years ago
Celts will rise again, Scotland will be free
celticbritain 3 years ago 3
I certainly do hope so...
godofsdrnr 3 years ago 3
I'd rather Scotland be free of third world immigrants than free of the English. ;-)
Yealdin 3 years ago 6
Haha, last time I walked in London I didn't saw any Englishman at all.
celticbritain 3 years ago 7
By the way, it's more realistic to get Scotland free of the English than free of immigrants :-)
celticbritain 3 years ago 7
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idiot
glaschris08 3 years ago
My family name is what this song is about. We were grahams and got ran out. Afraid we would all be killed we reversed our name to MAHARG. Over time we added some letters and now are the McHargues. We are accepted in the Graham clan.
ohmy502 3 years ago
Draw ye swords brothers..For the Mother of all battles draws near.!!
lt4490g 3 years ago
I'm thrilled to find this on You Tube I'm married to a Heilan' Man and never been happier!
MQS02 3 years ago
there's hardly a peice of open land in Scotland that hasent had Scotish blood split on it !!
pawpawbear02 3 years ago
Great Stuff!!
vengencemonger 3 years ago
this is amazing!!!
drunkensailor112 3 years ago 2
these songs don't get sung in scotland anymore and if you do you tend not to get a gig
outshore 3 years ago
That makes me sad outshore. =(
Yealdin 3 years ago
you go to a folk bar and sit in a session and then someone from special branch starts harrassing you because of separatism and nationalism undermining national security ...
I just don't go and play these places anymore
outshore 3 years ago 3
so the supression continues. what a surprise. I am a folk musician living in Australia and would gladly take a beating every night from authorities if it meant keeping this stuff alive. It is a part of history, and I and my band will continue to keep the Jacobite cause alive so long as we breathe.
Love you Corries.
reagrds to you all,
Jamie
miloshy01 3 years ago 2
Some Scotish folk and a nice beer after dinner doesn't get any better than that.
Time to have another listen.
willyrobinson 3 years ago
I hope it's some nice dark Scottish ale yer drinking! =) I myself looovvee dark creamy Scottish ale.
Yealdin 3 years ago
yea some Oatmeal stout
JD1985 3 years ago
To bad music like this is viewed as "nerdy", in modern America, and indeed even in Scotland. THIS is music, the shit kids listen to these days is nothing, it has no meaning or soul, and because of this our youth have no spirit, no heritage. My son will know real music when he grows, or I'll be damned.
Yealdin 3 years ago
try that tune SoH did 'Roots'
willyrobinson 3 years ago
Well said Yealdin . You'll be giving your son a great strength of character as he grows . The evil influence of mtv and rap etc will overpower him , but teach him to fight it, and keep the soul stirring ballads of old fresh in his heart. It's a pity Roy is now dead . I saw them in 1987 in my town and I'll never forget that night . I came out of the theatre with melodies swirling round in my head . They have never left me .
123strauss 3 years ago
keep the jewish mtv influence of your children indeed. stimulate their creativity and give them the chance to learn to play and appreciate music and develop themselves individually. these days you only see groups of people. very few stick out.
drunkensailor112 3 years ago 3
Only nerdy to the uncultured, unintelligent lemming of the modern era.
JD1985 3 years ago 3
You got that right, I blame TV personally. Why read, compose songs, or tell tales when a big plastic box tells you what's funny, hip, and interesting?
Yealdin 3 years ago 3
wasn't the battle of cromdale a crushing defeat for the jacobites?
dregmaster 3 years ago
well this song is a glorious victory for scotsfolk!
willyrobinson 3 years ago 2
MorangRus 4 years ago 2
the spirit of the song and celebration isn't about reciting an encyclopaedia of scottish clans .. its about conveying the art and the music ... this 'don't like them' idea of yours needs to expand ... whatever clans you want in .. there are surely a hundred more ... its the spirit of the song that counts
outshore 4 years ago
Get over it dude, they can't make a 15 minute song.
JD1985 3 years ago
anyone know where you can download corrie songs onto mp3 as an mp3 file i ripped some of a cd but all my other fave corrie songs are on about 7 different cassetes somewhere in my room
airfixbuilder 4 years ago
donno about that.....does anyone know where i can get the words to this song?
highlandstag 4 years ago
if u type the song name on google it should come up with the lyrics on about a thousand websites
airfixbuilder 4 years ago
If you go to any bit torrent site you should usually find 1 or 2 to download. I've found the albums:
Live Alive O
Heritage
Peat Fire Flame
The Comedy Collection
all on differing bit torrent sites
ScottishBlackWatch 3 years ago
This song is two battles brought into one, the jacobite defeat at Cromdale in 1689 and the jacobite victory at Auldearn in 1645. The great Montrose was the commander at Auldearn and had died well before 1689. Still some tune tho
bashertie3 4 years ago
its about clavers victory (and alas death at killiekrankie) so instead of the dunkeld defeat the writer has ressurected the duke of montrose to win victory for james VII. nice jacobite sentiment
nagraimachMor 4 years ago
this song could get me to go into battle. :) its slightly too bad such things start to get lost over time through the generations. *sigh* I like such songs ayway. :)
BlumenStrasse01 4 years ago
Could go into battle to this song,wouldn't want that audience behind me though
rebelsoulbhoy 4 years ago
Lol at Klingons...
Awa' an' bile yer heid, pataQ!
Oh, God! I'm going to dance myself to death!
SaraCampbell0 4 years ago
the macdonalds they returned again ??
sounds ominous for good interstellar cuisine
outshore 4 years ago
Another great Klingon battle song.
ClothytheCat 4 years ago
Ta for putting this up here. It's historical veracity pales into insignificance beside the fact that I like roaring it like a fanny.
campbellonia 4 years ago
fuckin braw patriotism, these guys know how to rile the spirit, through the deeds of past escapades!!!
buachailleheid 4 years ago
yeah one nil for pragmatism ... but basically its a song about the scottish spirit
of resilience and endurance ... in a thousand years from now it will still be getting sung ... though maybe substituting
star systems for the clan names :)
outshore 4 years ago
Pete your Gay...
u05mja3 4 years ago
...Alas, my lord, your not so strong,
You scarcely have two thousand men,
And there's twenty thousand on the plain,
Stand rank and file on Cromdale.
Thus the great Montrose did say,
I say, direct the nerest way,
For I will o'er the hills this day,
And see the Haughs o' Cromdale.
(Missing Verse 4)...Mega
u05mja3 4 years ago
One thing I hate to mention, because I love this song so much is that this battle never happened this way. The actual battle at Cromdale was a Jacobite defeat, and the Marquis of Montrose had been dead for several years when it took place.
Sarisb 5 years ago
Wrong battle of Cromdale- perhaps you didn't notice that Cromwell (who the losing side were fighting for) had also been dead for quite some time, i.e. the battle your reffering to was 32 years after Cromwells death and, would suggest that the song claims that royalist were fighting for him. Not happening.
CiB42 4 years ago
First off, even today the British troops are still known as "Cromwell's Men" circa "Men behind the Wire" a '70s protest song. Secondly check the facts jack, Google "haughs o'cromdale, first link should be to a page called scotsindependent, bottom of the page, it's a combo of Auldearn and the Jacobite defeat at Cromdale.
Sarisb 4 years ago
QED, Pwn3d
Aleesb 4 years ago
The haughs of cromdale predates that reference by a couple of centuries. Secondly, seriosly, you can't believe everything you read on the net.
CiB42 4 years ago
Then try a different site, all of them agree, or better yet try "1715" The Great Jacobite Rebellion
Furthermore, how can a cromwell reference predate a jacobite song by centuries?
Sarisb 4 years ago
More stuff
Better yet, check wikipedia also. Maybe you shouldn't believe everything on the net, but you should believe this.
Sarisb 4 years ago
"A battle took place on 30 April, 1690, in which a Jacobite force was routed on the low ground (haughs) at Cromdale in Morayshire by government forces."
Sarisb 4 years ago
James Hogg, the Ettrick shepherd, later wrote a song about the defeat which became very popular. But then an unknown bard, unhappy with the story of a lost battle, added an exaggerated description of Montrose's victory over the Covenanters at Auldearn in 1645. Despite the muddled history and the fact that Montrose had been dead for 40 years before the conflict at Cromdale, the ballad remained popular.
Sarisb 4 years ago
four comments in a row, back to back? Wow, someone doesn't know how to shut up
gothicpiper 4 years ago
Its about regional pride, and the effectiveness of a small force on a larger one if the belief is there. Many excellent books on the Marquis of Montrose, he was one of the greatest military generals the UK has seen. (And hands on)
Rathardican 5 years ago
you have to understand that is is of the fight the battle of being defeated once and not giving up of continuing the fight, My Ancestors though not of the Camerons or the Gordons fought for them tracable to the first war, take up that fight, that ancient quarrel and see it through and it is that combat that drive that is what the song is driving at.
alastairppcli 5 years ago
Cameron's did their standards join, this part of the song always gives me a chill, no matter what stance you take on the nationality issue, as a soldier
alastairppcli 5 years ago