tilt-rotor V-22 Osprey

[v22crewchief]

you crack me up.

I love your posts all they are is reguritation from a news article ill leave you at this because really I don't give a shit to waste my time typing out the obvious.

You really think that we couldn't deploy V-22s to that POS country until concrete pads were built?? then believe what you want I can not and will not change your mind be sure to believe everything in the news and I don't care where it comes from.

[KentAllard]

With the V-22 weighing as much or more than a CH-53, how will a LHA & LHD embark a sufficient quantity to replace the CH-46?

[v22crewchief]

@KentAllard

Vmm-162 deployed with V-22s on a LHD last fall with 10 MV-22s and VMM-162 deployed this spring with a POS the ship I hate the most the USS Nassau and that is a Lowly LHA.

They took 10 MV-22s

[SangheiliSniper11]

The V-22 needs a nose mounted chain gun

[red33410]

Chinook not so good for long-hauls. Transport planes can't land unless there's an airstrip. Osprey tackles BOTH these issues

[v22crewchief]

@KentAllard

where did you get that from? just because we are on concret doesnt mean its a requirment.

I have landed with grunts in the back in the desert and I have taken off with grunts in the back from the desert floor.

A rolling take off is only for weight reasons usually about 65000 lbs or you are seeing training every pilot needs to learn to rolling take offs and landings most training flights we would do some.

[KentAllard]

@v22crewchief

Well for one they couldn't deploy them in Afghanistan until concrete landing fields had been built for them

Speaking of which how is Task Force Pegasus doing? The Army helicopter brigade put together to provide air support for Marines in Afghanistan because they can't do the job themselves what with retiring so many CH-46 and the ten V-22 not being up to the job-and are those ten spending most of their time broken down?

[Tairaa2]

Osprey is pretty cool looking aircraft..

I don't know if it's functionality is worth it's cost, but hey, it looks phat as hell. :P

IMO though, the extra problems associated with this helicopter/plane hybrid aren't necessary, since a regular helicopter, and a regular plane can carry out the rolls they are supposed to better than this.

Answer me this: What is wrong with the chinook? Or the CH46? Or the Blackhawk?

Update them if they're old.

Plus, no fan of the composite material they use.

[v22crewchief]

chinooks don't have the blade fold capibility and are to big for ship usage ie storage, upgrade the ch-46s? we have been for the last 40 years the airframes are tired and boeing sold the contract to kawasaki many years ago and ch-46s are now composite check out the canada and japan military for these, H-60s I dont know why the Marine Corps didn't want them but doesnt matter we have this and its staying

but a regular helicopter cant fly this fast and a plane cant go into the same landing zones.

[KentAllard]

@v22crewchief

Should be a simple process of making modified CH-47 with folding rotors and salt resistant components and other necessary modifications

As for too big for ship storage, well the V-22 fails that by a wide margin

The speed is useless when it is escorted at all times by Cobras and Hueys

[v22crewchief]

VRS vortec ring state STFU your regergitating nothing but media BS, I have landed plenty fast into a ZONE the worst thing we need to wory about in a desert environment is the dirt kicking up from the rotor wash not Vortec ring state jesus, your such a tool.

stick to things you know. Not real things that real men take part in.

[KentAllard]

@v22crewchief

>the worst thing we need to wory about in a desert environment is the dirt kicking up from the rotor wash

And where does the USA insist on fighting...

[KentAllard]

@v22crewchief

I was quoting you

[v22crewchief]

@KentAllard

My bad I thought you were saying it for some reason I read it fast thats all.

[KentAllard]

@v22crewchief

>the ch-47 is, a heavy lift the v-22 is a medium lift.

empty weight:

CH-47F: 24,000lb

CH-53K: 35,000lb

MV-22B: 36,500lb

[v22crewchief]

@KentAllard

thats gross aircraft weight it has nothing to do with the designation of heavy or medium lift.

Heavy or medium lift has to do with what the aircaft can pick up as in a CH-43E can pick up another CH-53E not many helicopters can come close to that no matter what they wieght or how many ponies the engine puts out.

[KentAllard]

@v22crewchief

it will have a lot to do with how many can be embarked, even more so than the dimensions

[anurangax27]

they should make it an attack helicopter/plane...

like the ac-130 but can be deployed faster ;]

[KentAllard]

no, it cant fire out of the sides due to the engine nacels and prop rotors, I'm sure v22crewchief can explain it in detail. So currently its got a lone gun in the back. There is a plan for it to carry a belly turret mounting a .50 but this will further increase its weight, further reduce the number of troops it can carry and create an interesting delay since it has to fold up into the craft before it can land.

The AC-130 js getting replaced by the AC-27.

[KentAllard]

@KentAllard

slight update on that: they've given up trying to put a .50 in the belly, thats now in the rear and the 7.62 has been been placed in the belly turret. Still same effect on weight increase and troop decrease.

also theres been some sort of funding procurement delay for both the C-27 and its ground attack variant. I guess between Iraq & Afghanistan and bogus spending even the absurd sums the military gets can become stretched.

[v22crewchief]

@KentAllard

once again you don't give your source....

As far as that stupid belly gun If they did what I and every other Combat veteran that was in the V-22 probram told them to do we wouldn't EVER have Had a belly gun and we would have Had the Ramp mounted 50 cal like the 53E guys have. No one wanted to listen to all of the Combat veteran CH-46E guys who fought in Iraq for multiple tours, someone just had to have a damn belly gun, biggest waste of money I have ever seen.

[KentAllard]

@v22crewchief

53E guys also have side guns, ditto the 47

[v22crewchief]

@KentAllard

you seriously think you are telling me something I did not know??

real quick have you ever even seen one of these planes and im talking the Marine corps aircraft any of them in person??? a CH-53 and CH-46?? any of them Ive flown on both them I worked on both.

I have even flown on CH-46s In Australia I was down there in 1999 down in brizbane and then flew up to rockhampton for a little training and I have to say I loved baging your chicks!

[v22crewchief]

@KentAllard

Someone LtCOl placing his mark on the corps so they could retire comfortable without listening to the guys who were on the side mounted 50 cals in Iraq and know they are just about usless because our bigest threat is from the rear IE ramp of the aircraft and thats a fact!

[KentAllard]

@v22crewchief

>Someone LtCOl placing his mark on the corps so they could retire comfortable

just like all the generals who signed of on the V-22 retiring to jobs with the contractors...

[v22crewchief]

@KentAllard

I recieved more enemy fire from the 5 o'clock to the 7 o'clock positions on my CH-46s than anywhere else thats why I wanted a ramp gun, and every other crew chief see I didn't just start out on V-22s But that POS thing they came up with that crazy ass mount and we had to use the 240 D firing 7.62 was usless.

[scooter642]

kentallard, can you please explain to me what an engine filter is? ive never replaced one before on a turbine engine. must be a new mod. also they are obviously not in a hot zone, thus no need to descend quickly.

[KentAllard]

sure is nice of them to wait like that for gunners on the ground

[KentAllard]

Standard Marine Corps helicopter assault tactics land six CH-46Es in a football field sized LZ, yet only two V-22s can safely land in that size LZ at the same time. They must select a hard surface LZ, lest their heavy downwash clog their engine filters. They must land very slowly to avoid VRS. They can get three in the LZ if one lands first.

[v22crewchief]

Kent are you smoking crack?

We can only put 2 V-22s in a football size field, yet you have put 6 CH-46s in the same size field, you might want to inert that foot into mouth when you dont have a clue.

And I have yet to see or change one of these ENGINE FILTERS OH YEAH WE DON'T HAVE A ENGINE FILTER.

I can not stand when someone without a clue posts shit as fact, I used to fly on CH-46Es and I now fly on V22 opsreys unreal

[KentAllard]

enjoy the delay waiting for the V22 to land because it has to stow its belly turret

[v22crewchief]

tell me how long does it take to stow it since you know more than me and I only fly on this bitch.

That gun is a band aid for the crittics I dont want that damn thing Id be more than happy with a Ramp mounted 50 Cal, but the airforce bitched about it and we ended up with the 240, and Since I have been to war in the past decade I was shot at 95% of the time from the rear of my aircraft so Im all about a rear gun, "hot:LZs" unless absolutly nessasary. Not like Vietnam where it happend everyday.

[TexasKoz]

Love the Osprey..check out my Osprey video

[casiopilot]

y wood ir b clasafide

[framecut]

COOL! Futuristic!

[PubPundits]

sweet Ospreys!