Left wing atheists who defend Islam are guilty of stockholm syndrome
I think the reason is that they hate the religious right so much they simply like everything they oppose without a second thought. Christians who attack Islam while having there own crazy beliefs may be hypocrites but that doesn't make there statements about Islam's nature wrong. Wake up
I am leftist and I no longer defend Islam. I guess thought it was just another religion, but I have since realised that Islam should not even be classified as a religion.
Saudi Arabia is not a poor country and spawns many violent extremists. Whereas the Kurds historically have been poor mulims and generally don't export terror and extremism.
@charlesvan13 i am in S.A. right now, and let me tell you, this country is full of shit, and by full of shit, i mean that it is full of muslim EXTREMISTS !!
Watching this, I remembered something from my youth. America once operated under a policy that claimed we "do not negotiate with terrorists." We refused to recognize their power & demanded people come to a table like adults to deal with us. Sure, we did negotiate with terrorists behind closed doors, but not openly.
I believe we dropped the ball by declaring "war" on terror. How childish. It's as if America fed the troll & now we are in an argument we cannot win because they aren't rational.
My favorite is the liberals that pin all the worlds ills on old white men, then rightfully bash the catholic church as a sexist racist oppressive organization, then turn around and put their overused racist label on anyone that speaks ill of Islam.
Unfortunately, America cannot speak out, or single out Muslim extremists because they would be accused of religious prejudice. America as a nation is religiously tolerant because of it's own religious beliefs that are equally unsubstantiated. If instead, America would oppose and stop unsubstantiated and irrational belief, it might be able to stop the irrational outcomes.
Wtf man.. what liberals are making excuses for fundamentalists? Especially the Muslim ones? I'm pretty liberal, but I carry a gun, I don't make excuses for suicide killings, i'm pro-choice, I support gay marriage... but I hate how the media groups all liberals into one group. Not all liberals are the same. Just like not all conservatives are the same. Labels suck.
@zamardii12 Then your not of the ilk he is talking about. There are MANY, MANY liberals who think this very way. Labels do suck, and they are often misleading.
@zamardii12 Then don't add yourself to the group. I hold many, if not mostly liberal beliefs, but am I a "Liberal?" I wouldn't identify myself that way, because there's a lot of baggage that goes along with it.
I'm pretty scared of Christian Fundamentalists, moreso than Muslims because they live in the same community I do and I'm a gay man.
If it weren't for the gay rights movement, the Christian Fundis, not the Muslims, would be the ones threatening me with violence. They'd be the ones killing us and subjecting us to imprisonment and violations of our bodies in the name of their God.
I'm a progressive and I like Sam. I agree that radical Islam must be taken seriously and not rationalized. That is NOT to say that all Muslims are to be hated or in any way discriminated against... There are Muslims fighting for our country and some that have died for our country.
OTOH, When you add Ann Coulter, you lose me. She's simply a female baboon feigning human speech.
According to prominent Jewish rabbis in Israel and the U.S., Talmudic Orthodox Judaism condones blowing a elderly man out of a wheelchair with explosives launched from helicopter warship missiles (as in the case of Israel's assassination of Sheik Ahmed Yassin on 3-22-04).
In which forum shall we look to find you wringing your hands over this particularly repulsive spectacle of Jewish extremism, Sam??? Ye hypocrites!
Hey Dr. Harris, when are you going to provide us with a sneering polemic against Judaism, as you have done in the case of both Christianity and Islam since, as we all know, you think that all religion is bullshit?
Oh, I forgot, Jewish fanaticism gets a free pass, being that you're a nice Jewish boy who wouldn't dream of saying anything that might call into question the prevailing myth of the Holy Chosen Pimples and the need for us all to support their blood-soaked apartheid state for Jew ONLY!
@MrArokOleary Then you're not a Liberal. You're a Conservative who's too embarrassed to admit it. That's a good sign. Look at the ridiculously superstitious Republican Presidential contenders. If I were a Conservative, I'd be embarrassed too.
@ndrthrdr1 That may very well be; however, I think I subscribe more to the definition of Liberalism in that I believe in equal rights for all. I'm pro gay marriage, pro-choice (I'm pro choice but I believe you should choose life) but I tend to be fiscally conservative in that I don't think the government should hand out as much free lunches as they do.
@ndrthrdr1 And I agree with you, the Republican Presidential contenders are utterly pathetic. Bachman is a retard without any help from religion but then religion even finds a way to make her seem dumber. Perry used his position to promote a christian prayer meeting to ask god to fix the things he was elected to fix but couldn't. Herman Caine is a bigot because his religion tells him too. And finally Romney the mormon.... ya, mormon.... enough said.
I think you are just part of the Americans that decided to highjack political terms. You can be a liberal and not give damn about the poor. However, liberals seems to mean social democrat in the US (2 ideologies that are actually miles apart) for some reason and it's hard to claim you are a social democrat and don't care about the poor. Liberalism is an economic right and social left movement (free markets and individual freedom), not what the US makes it out to be.
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH In the United States you're referring to classical liberalism. Your labels are irrelevant in the US, just as ours are irrelevant to you.
Let's assume I became a male nurse, and said that , since all nurses are females, I would like to be called a serial killer. Then I go around telling people to change the definition of serial killer to male nurse. When there is something about an actual serial killer on the news, I go around saying that he can't possibly be a real serial killer because he never studied nursing. Would that make any sense to you?
2:21 typical liberal Sam Harris defends the terrorists (unwittingly of course), claiming they are under some actual hypnotic religious spell, and defends liberals' refusal to admit the truth claiming liberals are just too perfect to understand such craziness.
3:43 typical liberal Sam Harris blames competing religious views - not islam - for terrorism, just like his fellow muslims have been doing all along.
Wake up you liberals and you perverted Christians who profess Jesus by mouth only but do not live as Jesus lived and preached.
Muslims attacks rightly western civilization because now this civilization profess: immorality, homosexuality, abortions, free love, without any responsibility sexuality and so on. God will use radical Muslims to punish perverted Christians, liberals and all evildoers.,similarly when in the old time God permitted Babilonians, Assyrians to punish Jews when they disobey
@franciszek8D :S btw jesus never existed... plus we dont want a world whr ppl live like jesus did, sacrificial and teaching your kids of suicide ..?? hell no
@franciszek8D No they attacked America because of it's "Christian Nation" aspirations and because we keep protecting Israel and getting in the middle of their business.
Why is this god of yours so bent on punishing and torturing people who don't agree with him?
@MrArokOleary Nope. Wrong. They attacked you because you're a "filthy infidel." I suggest you brush up on the Quran, the ahadith, the sirah, the classical Muslim writers and commentaries. Jihad is not a new idea, nor is it a "perversion" or "hijacking" of Islam. It IS Islam.
@MojaveViper29 II know it's not hijacking Islam, I know Islam is a religion of violence. This does not change the premises of my original argument. perhaps I was incorrect in stating theses were the primary motivations for their attacks; however, I think the reasons I stated are secondary if not tertiary motivations. I have no desire to read the absurd doctrines of the muslim faith.
The word "homosexual" is more appropriate and accurate than the word "gay".
A person does not need religion, hatred or any kind of phobia in order to acknowledge important, qualitative differences between heterosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption and homosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption.
Homosexual activists, with support from the media, have succeeded at framing themselves as noble victims and martyrs; it's an effective way to push a social agenda.
Sam Harris' Letter to a Christian nation' is an excellent book. For similar great thoughts try Dan Barker, John W. Loftus, Robert M Price, Valerie Tarico, Victor Stenger, Bart Ehrman, Ken Humphreys, Richard Carrier, Ken Pulliam, Keith Parsons, Gary Greenberg, Robert Ingersoll, Thomas Paine, Mark Twain, Earl Doherty, Israel Finkelstein, Daniel Dennett, C Dennis Mckinsey, Joseph Wheless, Bertrand Russell, Christopher Hitchens
We should have no qualm about scorning the self deluded, irrational, parasitic, cowardice religious. They deserve no respect, only ridicule, disdain, and contempt. Their ridicules beliefs are 1st century ignorance and fear at its worst. It is of the utmost importance for the health of civilization to eradicate the god virus and drag the indoctrinated feeble minded fools into the 21st century.
I fucking love Sam Harris - the difference between he and Ann Coulter is that he does not speak hatred, but sincere concern for human well being. Ann Coulter will take any excuse to speak hatred against people who don't look or think like her. She was just correct on this one issue, but most of her points are nonsense.
@SpearofDestiny0 -I would also strongly recommend that everybody check out the the article "The Old, New Atheism" by Jackson Lears in the May 2011 issue of the New Republic. Just a brilliant, insightful well-reasoned polemic all around
All attacks on Americans took place outside America, so yes when you send your troops overseas to slaughter innocent Muslim indiscriminately; they (Muslims) fight back with stones, knifes, suicide bombers..Etc. to learn more
See the truth for yourself. Dr. Norman Finkelstein is not a mug like Sam Harries.
I'm not sure you can say it's indiscriminate/deliberate. Negligent/careless, yes. Also, Muslims are also in the bag with Americans when it comes to warmongering. We see Americans who think their country is innocent of crime, and that the troops are angels, and Muslims who have their priorities twisted by bitching about gays whilst their brethering are killing kuffar in the name of Allah. And how is Sam a mug, please do provide justifications for your claim.
@Munzer1977 The US doesn't send troops overseas to indiscriminately slaughter Muslims. We learned a painful lesson about civ'l casualties in Viet Nam, and, having served in the military I can tell you first hand that from an operational standpoint, no other nation places as many self-restrictions on collateral damage. It could further be argued that the US has committed troops (and sacrificed many lives) to DEFEND Muslims, whether starving in Somalia, or facing slaughter in Kosovo and Kuwait.
@BigNOLAdude and still you manage to kill your own, allies or civilians on a ridiculous scale. when military personel are having special education how to indentify friendlies, there's a big problem...
u.s. pretty much fails where ever it goes, a farcry from professionalism
@BigNOLAdude "We learned a painful lesson about civ'l casualties in Viet Nam" Did it hurt killing a million Vietnamese? What kind of a lesson did you learn from that, exactly?
@MunfyKun Usually when I hear him talk about liberals- he's talking about the wishy washy politically correct liberals- I wish he'd make it more clear who exactly he's talking about as the vagueness kinda puts the more reality skewed liberals off :P I'm liberal on most things myself and I find it irritating too :D Gosh, I'm conservative on war- it should only be the last resort, I'm liberal on sex, conservative on crime- meh, these labels aren't so helpful anymore.
It was a special delight watching Sam Harris insult the religious right (and therefore, his interviewer) right to his face while the interviewer thought Mr. Harris was on his side.
@MrGeorgedubya You can list a similar, without a doubt waaaayyyy longer, series of american attacks in other countries and on other cultures...yet it's not called terrorism. How many innocent iraqis have died now? hundreds of thousands? they're not muslim extremists. Put the two lists side by side and a few building and boats blown up will seem pretty ridiculous in comparison. I'm not advocating violence on either side, just don't get all excited because some biased facts are put out.
@MarcoArsenault You're forgetting the fact that there is an unbelievable base of authors, politicians, and the public that openly criticize and recognize the terrible things our military has done. There is no military guidebook to perpetrating terrorist activity, so an outside perspective can be taken. With religion, everyone can create their own brand of fanatical theology and act violently without the critique of their fellow ideologues.
@RussianAssassin21 well compared to Fox or CNN yes. maybe its a bit liberal biased come to think of it, but i mean they're showing this side of the story as well so.. ya i duno maybe not
I agree with my fellow atheist Sam Harris. Personally i think liberals are supportive of Muslims because they see what the right wing US foreign policy has done to the people of Iraq and Afghanistan and realize that most of the people dieing are innocent civilians. So on top of that they really don't want to talk smack about their religion because that's just kicking them when their down. But still Muslims and the most radical of religions. So thumbs up for speaking out.
Anne Coulter said it started with destruction of our embassy, why did'nt she figure out why? she only cares about the who. She may be right, but then again we can also say 100% of terrorism on abortion clinics is by Christian Extremists, or homosexual murder, or the reason why we have regulation of morality. so i dont think she understands the message she has sent
Sam Harris is a clueless dick. He claims to be an atheist and a rationalist but then starts yammering on about how Eastern religions can help us in our 'spiritual lives' and how neuroscience supports Buddhism. He's a New Age moron, not a liberal atheist.
@VanDoodah LOL dude your an idiot. He's NEVER said anything about neuroscience supporting Buddhism. He's studied Buddhism and meditation but he's very adamament about not letting religious dogma or silly metaphysics intrude apoun the real benefits of things like introspection and meditation. There are REAL benefits of those practices, you don't have to be a Buddhist or some new age quack to look know this. He is an atheist, go learn more about him before you open your ignorant ass mouth.
Apologists for islamic violence are not "liberals" they are "Hippies" who call themselves liberal. The american and french revolutions were FOUGHT by liberals. They killed or expelled the people opposed to their views on freedom. They did NOT enter into a dialogue on interfaith understanding.
Freedom is not about inviting people who want to kill you to a love-in.
Liberal Muslims should be willing to fight against these monsters, not apologize for them.
@Tlevids Coulter is a creep and a lunatic. But while I don't agree with here politics, or her right to breath for that matter, The connection between Islam and violence is not really disputable, OMHO. I see what they call "extremists" as the people who actually believe the the Koran is the word or god. They are the devout, not extreme at all.
Well I'm a Liberal and I make no excuses for Religious fanatics. Whether they are Muslim or Christian though I do admitt the Muslims are the craziest Religous fanatics on the planet.
Of course Islam isn't a religion of peace but all religions are stupid... And don't ever kid yourself thinking that Christianity isn't the same... they just had their violent extremisms a few hundred years ago, against what was then the intellectual powerhouse and the freest lands in the world in Arabia ... its just the Islamists turn now ... having said that it doesn't mean we have to tolerate it.
07:40 "100% of the terrorist attacks on US airlines for 20 years have been commited by muslims. when there is a 100% chance, it ceases to be a profile, it's called a description of the suspect."
We have these problems in Europa too, but we call these people 'progressive liberals'. The fact that they will be killed first if it is up to the very extremist they protect make that they also go by the name of 'usefull idiots'.
We now have something new to be scared of: Obama is arming more terrorists because they're our friends for now...This is TRULY unprecedented stupidity...Except:
Iran-Contra
Iraq
Afghanistan
Mexico
In all those cases, when the terrorists got what they wanted, they turned our own weapons against Americans. Granted, using proxies is a pussy move, but we're not allowed to exterminate our enemies anymore due to...Rules of Engagement, that they don't feel like following!
This shit is stupid for stupid people if we cant stop a man living in a mud hut from boarding a plane and flying thousands miles across ocean to blow us up we deserve it dont let the gov. scare you losers. And if our fbi, homeland security,cia and on and on and on cant protect us from some yah hoo home grown terrorist than something is very very wrong open your eyes people. Theres a reason why we are killing muslims and it has to do with globalization of a one world government
Research done in 12 Muslim countries. QUESTION: Is suicide bombing in defense of Islam justifiable? The % of those who answered YES are as follows: ❶Lebanon 73% ❷Ivory Coast 56% ❸Nigeria 47% ❹Bangladesh 44% ❺Jordan 43% ❻Pakistan 33% ❼Mali 32% ❽Ghana 30% ❾Uganda 29% ❿Senegal 28% 11) Indonesia 27% 12) Turkey 13% Source: The End of Faith - Sam Harris pg. 122
Many liberals and ALL muslims denounce violent passages in the bible. OK...but how many x-ians are rioting and murdering? How many x-ians are selling their 10 year old daughters to old men? How many x-ians are blowing themselves and innocent bystanders up? How many x-ians hi-jack airplanes and fly them into office buildings? HOW MANY??? Those who apologise for muslim atrocities are either blind,stupid, or both. (an atheist)
@meemoonses The fact that Harris and others ignore on this point is that if you're a Christian in America who wants to kill Muslims you join the army and hope to get sent to Iraq or Afghanistan... or Libya... Muslims have no officially recognized army in any country to join where they have a good possibility of killing Christians, therefore they can only do it via terrorism, so take down your straw men. (a pacifistic atheist)
@meemoonses and ps- I'm not apologist for any kind of terrorism or Islam, I just don't like misrepresentative arguments, and this is the only one I've ever seen Sam make.
Diane Sawyer says the riots are the results of that idiot preacher's "message of hate". The UN mission chief says that idiot preacher should "feel guilty". Too many liberals smugly agree. I wonder how many of them have actually read the koran? I have. READ IT. It's short and clearly written.Read any version translated BEFORE 1980. Theft,lying,pedophelia,slavery, and murder are ALL legitimate acts under islam. I'm lying? READ THE DAMN THING and stop guessing and "believing". KNOW!
@cheeseschrister This is really bias, people are being put in jail for saying anti xewish speech but they harp on the one complaint about the cartoon. The media made the cartoon bigger than it was in order to have the fake war going on. Notice these guys are pro creator of the universe? but r against Jesus and Muhhamad. That is called noahide law.
muslim isn't a description that can be profiled. You can't say to someone, "my, you look quite muslim today." Arab is a description, persian is a description indonesian is a description. All of these cases would be racial profiling. I think this is what coulter means but maybe isn't intelligent enough to realize what she's advocating. Just as long she's able to be stupid in new and exciting ways is she happy.
@ivanmikhailov Arab IS a description...Are you saying then, that there isn't a pattern to terrorists? Paki in Times Square, Saudi Arabians in 9/11, some other Arab in Portland...At what point does Racial Profiling stop being "racist", and start being a good idea to keep more Americans alive at the risk of alienating...countries that already hate us enough to want to blow up our civilians, but bitch if their own civilians get killed?
@ivanmikhailov To avoid Racial Profiling, they're groping slender bimbos with fake tits and little old ladies. If the world was FAIR and terrorists were truly random, that would be acceptable, even commendable. Instead, though, it's a waste of efforts trying to be "equal", when SO FAR, most of the terrorists come from ONE area of the world with readily distinguishable features and vocal patterns. Therefore, it would seem beneficial to focus THE MAJORITY of our efforts on people from that area!
@EPGAH and if you're dealing with some yocal who has never left the US and really has no clue what a muslim "looks" like you'll have him stopping every light skin brownish person that talks funny.Sorry but you have to have probable cause to search someone."I'm scared of the Darkies" ain't enough to justify it.
@ivanmikhailov Or of course, if information tech is fast enough, they could just run down someone's history and associations, and see if they have been to any terrorist training camp recently...
C'mon, do you really think they're dumb enough to put that on their FaceBook page or some other open source?
I know we "only catch the stupid ones", but that's asking too much!
Sam Harris is a hero for believing, and lecturing on, what he believes.
Yet ..... is Tucker going to claim to be a secularist, a NON-BELIEVER /
He has to pretend to believe in GOD; otherwise, there goes his right-wing pedigree.
Much like the black intellectual who's trotted-out and interviewed on " race issues " ( and that alone ), Mr. Harris was being used, of course. If Tucker & Co., had their way ( or, at least, what they profess to believe ) Harris would NOT speak.
@CBlargh he was not a christian, and his act was most certainly not an act conducted out of Christianity, source .. go to 1:50 of this video /watch?v=p2DC3eYkAZo
-SURE Timothy McVeigh was not a true Christian, just like all those Muslims Ann mentioned are not true Muslims... right? So why go through a litany of "Muslim" extremism and ignore "Christian" extremism unless you are attempting to whitewash your own cult's activities and incite hatred against the members of some other cult?
@CBlargh Tim McVeigh openly renounced God and Government before going on his little rampage. For better or worse, Moslems cry out "Allahu Akbar" (In the Will of Allah) before they blow shit up.
Therefore, Moslem bombings can be linked to their Cult, while McVeigh did his all by himself!
-McVeigh did not believe in the Christian god? What's your source? I note in advance the failure to provide a reputable one, and also note that "moderate" Muslims say the same damn thing about Muslim terrorists... so what's the difference between you and a Muslim? What are any of you doing but whitewashing extremism?
-"Allahu Akbar" (Aloha Snackbar) does not mean "In the will of Allah", it means "Thegod is great". Is anything you say based on fact?
@CBlargh If your last act is to renounce God, that would be one thing, but if your last act in this world is to proclaim your cult's God, that indicates you're killing in your God's name.
As to proving McVeigh was an atheist, there's Guardian, CS Monitor, HuffPost (BEFORE they got taken over by AOHell), which of those sources will you accept, and which were obvious plants by conservatives?
-I would accept data from any of those outlets, but the outlets themselves can't be a source. You have to provide me some more detailed information, like this:
-Timothy McVeigh claimed to be a Catholic, and claimed to believe in a god in an interview with Time Magazine in 2001.
-Timothy McVeigh was found in possession of "The Turner Diaries", racist terrorist literature popular with the Christian Identity movement.
-The KKK burns crosses. How much more obvious do you need it to be?
@CBlargh You can go to Wal-Mart right now and buy a sheet of cross stickers, slap one on your forehead, and CALL yourself a Christian. It does not MAKE you one. Did you ever think that he might've "Found God" in prison? Perhaps as a delaying tactic?
Why are you going to such lengths to link Christianity to the works of an atheist? I sent you all 3 links, just for thoroughness. They can't all be lying, McVeigh renounced Government and God!
-True! ... and you can grow a long beard and climb into some PJ's, and it doesn't make you a Muslim. How is your claim different from a Muslim claiming people who blow up buildings aren't true Muslims?
-Why are you going to such great lengths to link atheism to the works of a man who said he believes in god (in a 2001 interview with Time Magazine)? Simply listing news outlets is not a reference. You have to be slightly more specific. Where did you read McVeigh was an atheist?
@CBlargh Because it's ONE incident instead of a PATTERN of incidents. Let's even assume he's a Christian. ONE disillusioned Christian committing an act is more likely to be an Isolated Incident than 15,000 Moslems PER YEAR!
It forms a pattern of behavior, and after a certain point, claims that X is Just An Isolated Incident starts eliciting the response, "Sure, sell me a bridge too, while you're at it!" How many "isolated Incidents" will you accept before you start thinking it's organized?
@CBlargh Actually, I watched it in CNN, and I am not trying to link atheists to McVeigh, just pointing out he IS one. Part of the problem most have with Atheism (Other than that their fundies can get as nuts as any other) is that there is no They, no central group, no central dogma, so you don't know WHAT they are going to do.
Sort of Chaotic Neutral Religious Anarchy, if you will. At least with Moslems, you KNOW what to expect: Their book encourages acts of violence against non-Moslems!
@CBlargh More importantly, the Moslem Cult has not had a Protestant Sect, a Reformation, the Moslem Cult is now what it was 1400 years ago--except arguably with tech&power--and that's never a good mix!
Moreover, the only reason the Moslem Cult doesn't have a Protestant Sect is that they are more ruthless/efficient at killing off their "Protestants", not because their cult is more worthy of tight adherence, or even internal unity They couldn't share a pizza, much less control of a country!
-When buddy? When did you see Timothy McVeigh confirm his atheism on CNN?... because he said he believed in a god in a 2001 interview in Time Magazine. So, we have actual evidence vs. hearsay. Guess which one wins in court?
-Is this not a pattern of behaviour?
watch?v=VI0gnh7ChDw
-What about this?
watch?v=q-MuWDsv5pg
-... and this?
watch?v=exUfpzWLOYw
-What religious symbol were those terrorists burning? It wasn't a moon and star, was it? Isolated incident, my ass...
Yes, Timothy McVeigh WAS a Christian, unless of course you are so ignorant as to not understand that Catholics are technically Christians.. In a March, 1996, interview with Time magazine, McVeigh professed his belief in "a God"... he had "sort of lost touch with" Catholicism, "however I do maintain core beliefs."
Source: Patrick Cole, "A Look Back in TIME: Interview with Timothy McVeigh," March 30, 1996. Retrieved October 19, 2010.
@MrGeorgedubya He was a Christian, and his act was inspired by the Right-wing wackiness that pervades the harder fringes of Conservative Christianity. Maybe you should do some research ?
"I know in my heart that I am right in my struggle, Steve. I have come to peace with myself, my God and my cause."
--Timothy McVeigh, writing to an old schoolfriend.
-When a person says he is Catholic and says he believes in a god (as Timothy McVeigh did in a 2001 interview in Time Magazine), that takes precedence over what some Christian apologist believes his beliefs were... sorry to break it to you.
-I think it's perfectly fine to assume terrorists who say they are Muslim are actually Muslim, but you can't have it both ways. You have to take Christian terrorists at their word as well, or you're a hypocrite.
@CBlargh timmothy mcvey did what he did because of ruby ridge and waco nuttin to do with religion had to do with gov. killing inocent children. I wish he would of thought it through better and not killed innocent people but ones about as good as the other only gov. officials didnt go to prison huh imagine that
-Right, and you could say all of the Muslims that Ann Coulter listed were motivated by wars in the Middle East instead of their religion, as many Muslims do. As far as I'm concerned, Christians, Muslims, and all religious people are providing cover for the barbaric, immoral behaviour of your ridiculous cults, and the majority of reasonable people in this world are starting to wake up to this fact.
-Special privilege time for the mentally ill is now over.
@CBlargh Alls we are doing is global depopulation 500 Billion is the goal and as soon as you look at what is happening with this perspective you will assume governments incompitant when in reality they are doing exactly what the puppet master is telling them. lol wah hahahaha
-lol! Wait, what's the red herring? That Christian terrorist Timothy McVeigh murdered 168 people in 1995? That's less of a herring and more of an empirical fact, my friend.
@CBlargh It is a fact, but one that is totally unrelated to the matter at hand. Thus, a red herring. I'm just saying that, give the content of the video, your statement made no contribution. Served only to change the topic rather than discuss it. Islamites have, as an intrinsic part of their religion, unique, violent motivations. It's NOT the same at other religions. That is the point you missed.
Anne is a wretch and an evil person. That doesn't mean that Islam isn't a vile philosophy.
... but Islam is the same as other religions. There's really nothing special about it despite what Muslims might tell you. It's very similar to Mormonism, actually.
-Islam IS vile... as are all cults, including Christianity.
-Ann Coulter seemed to be suggesting that Muslims are responsible for all terrorism... which is false... as my statement demonstrated... so I'd say my statement actually hewed very closely to the topic.
@CBlargh Glad to see we agree on the broad strokes here. And Coulter is a bigot and a loser, and we can be done talking about her/it.
But, "There's really nothing special about it despite what Muslims might tell you." is a statement that is disagreeable in a number of ways. Firstly, it's not muslims saying this, it's atheists. The Koran is explicitly a political manifesto. Search YT for "religion of piece". McVeigh was not a "Christian Extremist". His motives were secular.
-Some atheists (including Harris) do say that Islam is inherently different from other religions (as do most Muslims), but I don't find this to be the case. There's no fundamental difference between Islamic texts and the stories of old testament conquest, or Joseph Smith's racist pamphlet of manifest destiny. All these books are political manifestos!
-What's the difference between what you said and moderate Muslims saying al Qaeda have secular motives and are not true Muslims?
@CBlargh "What's the difference between what you said and moderate Muslims saying al Qaeda have secular motives and are not true Muslims?" Nothing. It's the same thing. The Koran is very EXPLICIT about how ALL of it is true and literal. There is to be no picking and choosing in islam. And the old testament is just as much a part of islam as it is with christianity.
"moderates" are people who believe a watered down version due to the impact of science and secularism.
-Wait, so you find persuasive the argument that al Qaeda are not true Muslims? If terrorists aren't Islamic, what is your problem with Islam? If you don't find this argument persuasive, why would you find persuasive the argument that Timothy McVeigh and the KKK are not true Christians?
-The Bible and the Torah are very explicit about being true and literal too, and members of these cults claim you cannot pick and choose even as they pick and choose... so what's the difference?
@CBlargh lol... you have it backwards. :) I meant to say that I agree with al qaeda's position that so-called "moderates" are not devout. They are secular. That is just my understanding of the theology. An "extremists" is more devout and more in keeping with the intent of the people/persons which penned the Koran. This "extremists" or "fundamentalists" are simply "old school", not some fringe. Did not mohamed, personally chopped-up other people? That has got to show up in there.
@CBlargh "-If Muslims must obey commands in the Qur'an to murder unbelievers, why mustn't Christians obey commands in the Bible to murder unbelievers?" They must. Who's playing favourites?
"Why do you have different standards for being a "true" Muslim and a "true" Christian?" I don't.
@CBlargh Where did I say McVeigh wasn't a christian? I said that his terrorism wan't Christianity motivated. The fact he was a Christian was totally incidental. The fact that Osama Bin Ladin was Muslim was not incidental to what he was and did. Set McVeigh's list of grievances next to Bin Ladin's list and tell me that they are the same.
I'm sorry to say, but I doesn't seem that you understand that point that Harris was making. His main point wasn't even about islam, but liberal "dogma".
-Oh, sorry, so by following the commands in the Qur'an to murder unbelievers, Osama was being motivated by Islam, but by following the commands in the Bible to murder unbelievers, Timothy McVeigh's actions were secular and his Christianity was completely incidental to his terrorism... That's what you think?
@CBlargh Enough already you're like a broken record. Where do look I online to find about Mcveigh and his explicit christian motivations for killing people? It's not there. You are just saying the same thing again and again. What support do you have for your position? Unless you can find a good source supporting you, then please don't reply. Have you even looked?
-McVeigh was angry about the USA oppressing the "religious freedom" of David Koresh! It was in retaliation for Waco. It's not just similar to Osama bin Laden's reasoning, it's the exact same reasoning!
-I think a bigger and slightly more disturbing question is: if you and Harris and other "skeptical" anti-theists have such a rational opposition to all religion, why are you acting like Christian apologists? Just because a cult is familiar to you doesn't mean it's better...
Where do you come up with this? Bin Laden has no interest in religious freedom. McVeigh's upset was at "big government"... he was a libertarian. About as far from Bin Laden as you can get. Most atheists I know are in favour of religious freedom, so why is it a "christian" act for McVeigh when his politics, and not his religion, motivated it, and any person of any background could agree with his grievance. What does McVeigh himself say?
-Right! Both bin Laden and McVeigh had an interest in "religious freedom", which was less true religious freedom and more death for everyone who didn't believe as they did. Does no one know what quotes mean in this context anymore?
-bin Laden claimed to be avenging the Palestinians (or pick a political grievance) and McVeigh claimed to be avenging David Koresh. Why is one motivated by politics and the other not? Why is one motivated by religion and the other not?
@CBlargh ME: "Bin Laden has no interest in religious freedom. "
You: "Right! Both bin Laden and McVeigh had an interest in "religious freedom""
You " Does no one know what quotes mean in this context anymore?"
Me: ya, you. Now you misrepresent me to me. You're just trolling. I'm finished. You decide that your interpretation is true despite that very words of the people you are talking about. Lie to and waste someone else's time. McVeigh talking his crime in religious terms? No. Troll.
-You think "religious freedom" is the same as religious freedom? Why use quotes then?
-Timothy McVeigh claimed to be avenging David Koresh. bin Laden claimed to be avenging Palestinians. These are the facts. Both men claimed to be avenging their co-religionists, but you claim one person was motivated by faith and the other by politics. Why?
-If that's not what you're claiming, feel free to correct me. If you realise you're wrong, feel free to admit it. I always do. ;)
@CBlargh - Christians have NO such command anywhere in the scriptures to "murder unbelievers". We are instructed to forgive, show mercy, love life , love others and to LOVE GOD more than any other thing. The Bible teaches Christians to be tolerant and to walk in the Love and peace of Jesus; not to use violence or illegitimate vengence against any person (guilty or innocent). We are not perfect, but this is the behavior rooted in Jesus God wants us to emulate.
-lol! Imagine, a Christian who doesn't know what the Bible says:
"the LORD hath sworn that the LORD will have war with Amalek from generation to generation" -Exodus 17:16
"Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live" -Exodus 22:18
"Whosoever ... giveth any of his seed unto Molech; he shall surely be put to death: the people of the land shall stone him with stones" -Leviticus 20:2
@CBlargh - on the contrary, you do understand I hope that the texts you've cited (quite out of context I might add) refer solely & in a very limited manner to the theocratic state of Isreal which has not existed for, well, thousands of years now..Jesus, alternatively taught that we are to love our neighbors (everyone) as ourselves and that God, in fact, LOVES everyone that He sent Jesus so that whoever trusts in Jesus will actually have God in a unique & special way, both now & in all eternity
I think it may also prove helpful to some of the viewers here to try to evaluate many of the more strident claims of the anti-theist critique ("brights") from a ideological/ metaphysics perspective. Check out the recent article by Jackson Lears in the May 16, 2011 issue of the The Nation entitled "Same Old New Atheism" .The article offers a compelling analysis of Sam Harris' works. Consideration is given to general secular social perspectives
...as if Muslims never complain about passages taken out of context... as if Muhammed's theocratic state had not been dead for thousands of years... as if you didn't know that Jesus makes clear the OT is still valid (Matthew 5:17)... as if you didn't know Jesus threatened unbelievers with death (Luke 19:27).
-This is why people say Christians aren't honest: because you aren't. Just like Muslims. Just like Jews. Just like everyone who believes in this imaginary nonsense.
see, your commentary is a perfect example of the defects of illogical arguments. For you to associate theocratic directives and the earthly ministry and teachings of Jesus in this way clearly shows you are willfully ignoring the body of Jesus's thought or you utterly lack any knowledge of the systemic teachings of Jesus and the Gospels. JEsus makes clear that His Kingdom is not of this world & that anyone who trusts in Him will have living water and eternal life- a promise never made to Hebrews
@CBlargh - pls.,... stop {intentionally ?!?] fudging if you would - Everyone is more than aware that Mr. McVeigh was an Kuwaitie war veteran and militiam
disturbing imagery...
theeggwoman 3 weeks ago
Left wing atheists who defend Islam are guilty of stockholm syndrome
I think the reason is that they hate the religious right so much they simply like everything they oppose without a second thought. Christians who attack Islam while having there own crazy beliefs may be hypocrites but that doesn't make there statements about Islam's nature wrong. Wake up
Jimboman300 1 month ago
I am leftist and I no longer defend Islam. I guess thought it was just another religion, but I have since realised that Islam should not even be classified as a religion.
energylots 1 month ago
Ben Stiller is right.
Saudi Arabia is not a poor country and spawns many violent extremists. Whereas the Kurds historically have been poor mulims and generally don't export terror and extremism.
charlesvan13 1 month ago
@charlesvan13 i am in S.A. right now, and let me tell you, this country is full of shit, and by full of shit, i mean that it is full of muslim EXTREMISTS !!
SuperDelusionist 3 weeks ago
Ben Stiller = Sam Harris hahaha
Coteincdr 1 month ago
Watching this, I remembered something from my youth. America once operated under a policy that claimed we "do not negotiate with terrorists." We refused to recognize their power & demanded people come to a table like adults to deal with us. Sure, we did negotiate with terrorists behind closed doors, but not openly.
I believe we dropped the ball by declaring "war" on terror. How childish. It's as if America fed the troll & now we are in an argument we cannot win because they aren't rational.
CrossTheGrigori 1 month ago
My favorite is the liberals that pin all the worlds ills on old white men, then rightfully bash the catholic church as a sexist racist oppressive organization, then turn around and put their overused racist label on anyone that speaks ill of Islam.
nerdwonder 1 month ago 2
Unfortunately, America cannot speak out, or single out Muslim extremists because they would be accused of religious prejudice. America as a nation is religiously tolerant because of it's own religious beliefs that are equally unsubstantiated. If instead, America would oppose and stop unsubstantiated and irrational belief, it might be able to stop the irrational outcomes.
RATIONALMIND001 1 month ago
Tucker is a right wing shill but at least he finally got rid of his clown bow tie.
kaduisaui 2 months ago
Wtf man.. what liberals are making excuses for fundamentalists? Especially the Muslim ones? I'm pretty liberal, but I carry a gun, I don't make excuses for suicide killings, i'm pro-choice, I support gay marriage... but I hate how the media groups all liberals into one group. Not all liberals are the same. Just like not all conservatives are the same. Labels suck.
zamardii12 2 months ago
@zamardii12 Then your not of the ilk he is talking about. There are MANY, MANY liberals who think this very way. Labels do suck, and they are often misleading.
IndubitablyMe1988 2 months ago
@zamardii12 a very small minority do. The exaggeration is a bullshit far right talking point.
lumpheadthump 2 months ago
@zamardii12 Then don't add yourself to the group. I hold many, if not mostly liberal beliefs, but am I a "Liberal?" I wouldn't identify myself that way, because there's a lot of baggage that goes along with it.
stopcicles 2 months ago
I'm pretty scared of Christian Fundamentalists, moreso than Muslims because they live in the same community I do and I'm a gay man.
If it weren't for the gay rights movement, the Christian Fundis, not the Muslims, would be the ones threatening me with violence. They'd be the ones killing us and subjecting us to imprisonment and violations of our bodies in the name of their God.
scyldschefing 2 months ago
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I'm a progressive and I like Sam. I agree that radical Islam must be taken seriously and not rationalized. That is NOT to say that all Muslims are to be hated or in any way discriminated against... There are Muslims fighting for our country and some that have died for our country.
OTOH, When you add Ann Coulter, you lose me. She's simply a female baboon feigning human speech.
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According to prominent Jewish rabbis in Israel and the U.S., Talmudic Orthodox Judaism condones blowing a elderly man out of a wheelchair with explosives launched from helicopter warship missiles (as in the case of Israel's assassination of Sheik Ahmed Yassin on 3-22-04).
In which forum shall we look to find you wringing your hands over this particularly repulsive spectacle of Jewish extremism, Sam??? Ye hypocrites!
djs259 3 months ago
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Hey Dr. Harris, when are you going to provide us with a sneering polemic against Judaism, as you have done in the case of both Christianity and Islam since, as we all know, you think that all religion is bullshit?
Oh, I forgot, Jewish fanaticism gets a free pass, being that you're a nice Jewish boy who wouldn't dream of saying anything that might call into question the prevailing myth of the Holy Chosen Pimples and the need for us all to support their blood-soaked apartheid state for Jew ONLY!
djs259 3 months ago
I'm a liberal and I don't give a damn about the poor and the underprivileged.
MrArokOleary 3 months ago
@MrArokOleary Then you're not a Liberal. You're a Conservative who's too embarrassed to admit it. That's a good sign. Look at the ridiculously superstitious Republican Presidential contenders. If I were a Conservative, I'd be embarrassed too.
ndrthrdr1 3 months ago
@ndrthrdr1 That may very well be; however, I think I subscribe more to the definition of Liberalism in that I believe in equal rights for all. I'm pro gay marriage, pro-choice (I'm pro choice but I believe you should choose life) but I tend to be fiscally conservative in that I don't think the government should hand out as much free lunches as they do.
MrArokOleary 3 months ago
@ndrthrdr1 And I agree with you, the Republican Presidential contenders are utterly pathetic. Bachman is a retard without any help from religion but then religion even finds a way to make her seem dumber. Perry used his position to promote a christian prayer meeting to ask god to fix the things he was elected to fix but couldn't. Herman Caine is a bigot because his religion tells him too. And finally Romney the mormon.... ya, mormon.... enough said.
MrArokOleary 3 months ago
@ndrthrdr1
I think you are just part of the Americans that decided to highjack political terms. You can be a liberal and not give damn about the poor. However, liberals seems to mean social democrat in the US (2 ideologies that are actually miles apart) for some reason and it's hard to claim you are a social democrat and don't care about the poor. Liberalism is an economic right and social left movement (free markets and individual freedom), not what the US makes it out to be.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 2 months ago
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH In the United States you're referring to classical liberalism. Your labels are irrelevant in the US, just as ours are irrelevant to you.
Slipknot808 2 months ago
@Slipknot808
Let's assume I became a male nurse, and said that , since all nurses are females, I would like to be called a serial killer. Then I go around telling people to change the definition of serial killer to male nurse. When there is something about an actual serial killer on the news, I go around saying that he can't possibly be a real serial killer because he never studied nursing. Would that make any sense to you?
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 2 months ago
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH We describe things differently. Get the fuck over yourself, you arrogant prick.
Slipknot808 2 months ago
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2:21 typical liberal Sam Harris defends the terrorists (unwittingly of course), claiming they are under some actual hypnotic religious spell, and defends liberals' refusal to admit the truth claiming liberals are just too perfect to understand such craziness.
3:43 typical liberal Sam Harris blames competing religious views - not islam - for terrorism, just like his fellow muslims have been doing all along.
Note to liberals: the terrorists are bad.
MrShoeguy 3 months ago
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MrShoeguy 3 months ago
Wake up you liberals and you perverted Christians who profess Jesus by mouth only but do not live as Jesus lived and preached.
Muslims attacks rightly western civilization because now this civilization profess: immorality, homosexuality, abortions, free love, without any responsibility sexuality and so on. God will use radical Muslims to punish perverted Christians, liberals and all evildoers.,similarly when in the old time God permitted Babilonians, Assyrians to punish Jews when they disobey
franciszek8D 4 months ago
@franciszek8D :S btw jesus never existed... plus we dont want a world whr ppl live like jesus did, sacrificial and teaching your kids of suicide ..?? hell no
chinamanspeakenlis 4 months ago
@franciszek8D Well, that's. . .just, like . . .your opinion, man . . .
1empathy 3 months ago
@1empathy That rug really tied the room together, man...
MrArokOleary 3 months ago
@franciszek8D No they attacked America because of it's "Christian Nation" aspirations and because we keep protecting Israel and getting in the middle of their business.
Why is this god of yours so bent on punishing and torturing people who don't agree with him?
MrArokOleary 3 months ago
@MrArokOleary Nope. Wrong. They attacked you because you're a "filthy infidel." I suggest you brush up on the Quran, the ahadith, the sirah, the classical Muslim writers and commentaries. Jihad is not a new idea, nor is it a "perversion" or "hijacking" of Islam. It IS Islam.
MojaveViper29 3 months ago
@MojaveViper29 II know it's not hijacking Islam, I know Islam is a religion of violence. This does not change the premises of my original argument. perhaps I was incorrect in stating theses were the primary motivations for their attacks; however, I think the reasons I stated are secondary if not tertiary motivations. I have no desire to read the absurd doctrines of the muslim faith.
MrArokOleary 3 months ago
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The word "homosexual" is more appropriate and accurate than the word "gay".
A person does not need religion, hatred or any kind of phobia in order to acknowledge important, qualitative differences between heterosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption and homosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption.
Homosexual activists, with support from the media, have succeeded at framing themselves as noble victims and martyrs; it's an effective way to push a social agenda.
lightandbeautiful 4 months ago
This is NOT liberal bashing at all. Listen to the CONTEXT. Harris is not using "liberal" like it's a bad word. What a twist.
LARRYLONGSTRETH 4 months ago
@LARRYLONGSTRETH
What twist?
BeBoBli 3 months ago
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Sam Harris' Letter to a Christian nation' is an excellent book. For similar great thoughts try Dan Barker, John W. Loftus, Robert M Price, Valerie Tarico, Victor Stenger, Bart Ehrman, Ken Humphreys, Richard Carrier, Ken Pulliam, Keith Parsons, Gary Greenberg, Robert Ingersoll, Thomas Paine, Mark Twain, Earl Doherty, Israel Finkelstein, Daniel Dennett, C Dennis Mckinsey, Joseph Wheless, Bertrand Russell, Christopher Hitchens
zytigon 5 months ago
Sam Harris is absolutly correct on every point he made.
Flipstick96 5 months ago
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We should have no qualm about scorning the self deluded, irrational, parasitic, cowardice religious. They deserve no respect, only ridicule, disdain, and contempt. Their ridicules beliefs are 1st century ignorance and fear at its worst. It is of the utmost importance for the health of civilization to eradicate the god virus and drag the indoctrinated feeble minded fools into the 21st century.
scotttebben 5 months ago
I fucking love Sam Harris - the difference between he and Ann Coulter is that he does not speak hatred, but sincere concern for human well being. Ann Coulter will take any excuse to speak hatred against people who don't look or think like her. She was just correct on this one issue, but most of her points are nonsense.
SpearofDestiny0 5 months ago
@SpearofDestiny0 I Love him too! He is coming to Australia and I got front row tickets!
factvfiction 5 months ago
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@SpearofDestiny0 -I would also strongly recommend that everybody check out the the article "The Old, New Atheism" by Jackson Lears in the May 2011 issue of the New Republic. Just a brilliant, insightful well-reasoned polemic all around
shieldsff 5 months ago
All attacks on Americans took place outside America, so yes when you send your troops overseas to slaughter innocent Muslim indiscriminately; they (Muslims) fight back with stones, knifes, suicide bombers..Etc. to learn more
See the truth for yourself. Dr. Norman Finkelstein is not a mug like Sam Harries.
Munzer1977 5 months ago
@Munzer1977
I'm not sure you can say it's indiscriminate/deliberate. Negligent/careless, yes. Also, Muslims are also in the bag with Americans when it comes to warmongering. We see Americans who think their country is innocent of crime, and that the troops are angels, and Muslims who have their priorities twisted by bitching about gays whilst their brethering are killing kuffar in the name of Allah. And how is Sam a mug, please do provide justifications for your claim.
TurboDally 5 months ago
@Munzer1977 The US doesn't send troops overseas to indiscriminately slaughter Muslims. We learned a painful lesson about civ'l casualties in Viet Nam, and, having served in the military I can tell you first hand that from an operational standpoint, no other nation places as many self-restrictions on collateral damage. It could further be argued that the US has committed troops (and sacrificed many lives) to DEFEND Muslims, whether starving in Somalia, or facing slaughter in Kosovo and Kuwait.
BigNOLAdude 5 months ago 11
@BigNOLAdude and still you manage to kill your own, allies or civilians on a ridiculous scale. when military personel are having special education how to indentify friendlies, there's a big problem...
u.s. pretty much fails where ever it goes, a farcry from professionalism
Darusdei 2 months ago
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@Darusdei
You obviously have no inkling of what you're talking about, huh?
l3lip 2 months ago
@BigNOLAdude "We learned a painful lesson about civ'l casualties in Viet Nam" Did it hurt killing a million Vietnamese? What kind of a lesson did you learn from that, exactly?
IrelandHotels 2 months ago
I'm sorry, would you mind naming the liberals that are apologizing for Muslim extremists?
Forget everything else- why would I, a liberal, want to support religious societies that are inherently conservative?
MunfyKun 5 months ago
@MunfyKun Usually when I hear him talk about liberals- he's talking about the wishy washy politically correct liberals- I wish he'd make it more clear who exactly he's talking about as the vagueness kinda puts the more reality skewed liberals off :P I'm liberal on most things myself and I find it irritating too :D Gosh, I'm conservative on war- it should only be the last resort, I'm liberal on sex, conservative on crime- meh, these labels aren't so helpful anymore.
TurboDally 5 months ago
It was a special delight watching Sam Harris insult the religious right (and therefore, his interviewer) right to his face while the interviewer thought Mr. Harris was on his side.
MunfyKun 5 months ago 2
no liberals apologize for radical islam
just fox news fear mongering
pandasftuw 6 months ago
@pandasftuw was there anything about or on fox news in this clip?
sp4de69 6 months ago
@sp4de69 nope I was addressing the issue of what liberal apologize for, can you not read?
liberals apologize for the fear mongering of islam that goes on at fox not radical islam,
pandasftuw 6 months ago
@MrGeorgedubya You can list a similar, without a doubt waaaayyyy longer, series of american attacks in other countries and on other cultures...yet it's not called terrorism. How many innocent iraqis have died now? hundreds of thousands? they're not muslim extremists. Put the two lists side by side and a few building and boats blown up will seem pretty ridiculous in comparison. I'm not advocating violence on either side, just don't get all excited because some biased facts are put out.
MarcoArsenault 6 months ago 3
@MarcoArsenault You're forgetting the fact that there is an unbelievable base of authors, politicians, and the public that openly criticize and recognize the terrible things our military has done. There is no military guidebook to perpetrating terrorist activity, so an outside perspective can be taken. With religion, everyone can create their own brand of fanatical theology and act violently without the critique of their fellow ideologues.
MrMisterpickle 6 months ago
muslim extremists are the bad guys?
oh...
where's the news?
Kaeralho 6 months ago
i love MSNBC, it's actually balanced to some degree
Freethinker12341 6 months ago
@Freethinker12341 Meh, not so much.
RussianAssassin21 6 months ago
@RussianAssassin21 well compared to Fox or CNN yes. maybe its a bit liberal biased come to think of it, but i mean they're showing this side of the story as well so.. ya i duno maybe not
Freethinker12341 6 months ago
@Freethinker12341 really thats why this host got fired and replaced with a douchey dyke! lol cmon dude!
WORLDARYANREVIVAL 6 months ago
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We've always been at war with Islam.
We've never been at war with Islam.
caveatemp 6 months ago
I agree with my fellow atheist Sam Harris. Personally i think liberals are supportive of Muslims because they see what the right wing US foreign policy has done to the people of Iraq and Afghanistan and realize that most of the people dieing are innocent civilians. So on top of that they really don't want to talk smack about their religion because that's just kicking them when their down. But still Muslims and the most radical of religions. So thumbs up for speaking out.
timh1982 6 months ago
@packeteer additionally: "officials ruled out any connection to terrorist groups or causes." so your example doesnt apply.
nickleus1977 6 months ago
Cblarh....both did it cause neither one have a clue who God really is. Man has turned from Him since the beginning.
SilverStar40 7 months ago
I hate it when Coulter is right. Fortunately, it's rare.
ClumsyRoot 7 months ago 29
@ClumsyRoot
No it's not.
AgentOfOblivion 3 months ago
@AgentOfOblivion
Well, that settles that... :\
ClumsyRoot 3 months ago
@ClumsyRoot She's not exactly right, she's just part of dichotomy where both sides are wrong.
Herv3 3 months ago
Anne Coulter said it started with destruction of our embassy, why did'nt she figure out why? she only cares about the who. She may be right, but then again we can also say 100% of terrorism on abortion clinics is by Christian Extremists, or homosexual murder, or the reason why we have regulation of morality. so i dont think she understands the message she has sent
MrNormlguy 7 months ago
Thanks for putting up the Sam Harris clip, but why did you add at the end a video of some dude babbling?
scimath42 7 months ago
Sam Harris is a clueless dick. He claims to be an atheist and a rationalist but then starts yammering on about how Eastern religions can help us in our 'spiritual lives' and how neuroscience supports Buddhism. He's a New Age moron, not a liberal atheist.
VanDoodah 7 months ago
@VanDoodah LOL dude your an idiot. He's NEVER said anything about neuroscience supporting Buddhism. He's studied Buddhism and meditation but he's very adamament about not letting religious dogma or silly metaphysics intrude apoun the real benefits of things like introspection and meditation. There are REAL benefits of those practices, you don't have to be a Buddhist or some new age quack to look know this. He is an atheist, go learn more about him before you open your ignorant ass mouth.
Gluumer 7 months ago
Apologists for islamic violence are not "liberals" they are "Hippies" who call themselves liberal. The american and french revolutions were FOUGHT by liberals. They killed or expelled the people opposed to their views on freedom. They did NOT enter into a dialogue on interfaith understanding.
Freedom is not about inviting people who want to kill you to a love-in.
Liberal Muslims should be willing to fight against these monsters, not apologize for them.
no2religions 7 months ago
I agree with Sam Harris and not with the mad woman at the end.
Tlevids 7 months ago
@Tlevids Coulter is a creep and a lunatic. But while I don't agree with here politics, or her right to breath for that matter, The connection between Islam and violence is not really disputable, OMHO. I see what they call "extremists" as the people who actually believe the the Koran is the word or god. They are the devout, not extreme at all.
no2religions 7 months ago
I think it's interesting to see how respectfully Sam is treated by the Christian interviewer.
ConradZaar 8 months ago
I half agree with Harris
Sometimes I think he's a neocon in sheep's clothing tho
JMMG2010duke 8 months ago
What about the abortion clinics bombed by Christian extremists?
johnedwards1968 8 months ago
Well I'm a Liberal and I make no excuses for Religious fanatics. Whether they are Muslim or Christian though I do admitt the Muslims are the craziest Religous fanatics on the planet.
valhala56 8 months ago
Of course Islam isn't a religion of peace but all religions are stupid... And don't ever kid yourself thinking that Christianity isn't the same... they just had their violent extremisms a few hundred years ago, against what was then the intellectual powerhouse and the freest lands in the world in Arabia ... its just the Islamists turn now ... having said that it doesn't mean we have to tolerate it.
pubuman 8 months ago
07:40 "100% of the terrorist attacks on US airlines for 20 years have been commited by muslims. when there is a 100% chance, it ceases to be a profile, it's called a description of the suspect."
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TheALPH4 8 months ago
We have these problems in Europa too, but we call these people 'progressive liberals'. The fact that they will be killed first if it is up to the very extremist they protect make that they also go by the name of 'usefull idiots'.
Math2Anton 9 months ago
@ 5:29 you probably don't know this, but Islam is not a race, just letting you know
l337pwnage 9 months ago
God, ann coulter's voice makes my skin crawl.
andrewm153351 9 months ago
We now have something new to be scared of: Obama is arming more terrorists because they're our friends for now...This is TRULY unprecedented stupidity...Except:
Iran-Contra
Iraq
Afghanistan
Mexico
In all those cases, when the terrorists got what they wanted, they turned our own weapons against Americans. Granted, using proxies is a pussy move, but we're not allowed to exterminate our enemies anymore due to...Rules of Engagement, that they don't feel like following!
EPGAH 9 months ago
This shit is stupid for stupid people if we cant stop a man living in a mud hut from boarding a plane and flying thousands miles across ocean to blow us up we deserve it dont let the gov. scare you losers. And if our fbi, homeland security,cia and on and on and on cant protect us from some yah hoo home grown terrorist than something is very very wrong open your eyes people. Theres a reason why we are killing muslims and it has to do with globalization of a one world government
OregonOutlaw2000 9 months ago
esiosan 9 months ago
Many liberals and ALL muslims denounce violent passages in the bible. OK...but how many x-ians are rioting and murdering? How many x-ians are selling their 10 year old daughters to old men? How many x-ians are blowing themselves and innocent bystanders up? How many x-ians hi-jack airplanes and fly them into office buildings? HOW MANY??? Those who apologise for muslim atrocities are either blind,stupid, or both. (an atheist)
meemoonses 10 months ago
@meemoonses The fact that Harris and others ignore on this point is that if you're a Christian in America who wants to kill Muslims you join the army and hope to get sent to Iraq or Afghanistan... or Libya... Muslims have no officially recognized army in any country to join where they have a good possibility of killing Christians, therefore they can only do it via terrorism, so take down your straw men. (a pacifistic atheist)
ScottBrown666 10 months ago
@meemoonses and ps- I'm not apologist for any kind of terrorism or Islam, I just don't like misrepresentative arguments, and this is the only one I've ever seen Sam make.
ScottBrown666 10 months ago
Diane Sawyer says the riots are the results of that idiot preacher's "message of hate". The UN mission chief says that idiot preacher should "feel guilty". Too many liberals smugly agree. I wonder how many of them have actually read the koran? I have. READ IT. It's short and clearly written.Read any version translated BEFORE 1980. Theft,lying,pedophelia,slavery, and murder are ALL legitimate acts under islam. I'm lying? READ THE DAMN THING and stop guessing and "believing". KNOW!
meemoonses 10 months ago
If u listen to the Japanese clips from WW2, the US said the same thing against the Japanese, the exact same thing as against the Muslims.
TheAmazingamerica 10 months ago
@cheeseschrister This is really bias, people are being put in jail for saying anti xewish speech but they harp on the one complaint about the cartoon. The media made the cartoon bigger than it was in order to have the fake war going on. Notice these guys are pro creator of the universe? but r against Jesus and Muhhamad. That is called noahide law.
TheAmazingamerica 10 months ago
oOne could see harris twitching when the interviewer ended the talk with amen.
Hermoor 10 months ago
Liberals just wont listen,too much living in a modern bubble of security methinks.
Whatever4690 10 months ago
Why call them extremists? They're just Muslims.
Poleschs 10 months ago
muslim isn't a description that can be profiled. You can't say to someone, "my, you look quite muslim today." Arab is a description, persian is a description indonesian is a description. All of these cases would be racial profiling. I think this is what coulter means but maybe isn't intelligent enough to realize what she's advocating. Just as long she's able to be stupid in new and exciting ways is she happy.
ivanmikhailov 11 months ago
@ivanmikhailov Arab IS a description...Are you saying then, that there isn't a pattern to terrorists? Paki in Times Square, Saudi Arabians in 9/11, some other Arab in Portland...At what point does Racial Profiling stop being "racist", and start being a good idea to keep more Americans alive at the risk of alienating...countries that already hate us enough to want to blow up our civilians, but bitch if their own civilians get killed?
EPGAH 11 months ago
@ivanmikhailov To avoid Racial Profiling, they're groping slender bimbos with fake tits and little old ladies. If the world was FAIR and terrorists were truly random, that would be acceptable, even commendable. Instead, though, it's a waste of efforts trying to be "equal", when SO FAR, most of the terrorists come from ONE area of the world with readily distinguishable features and vocal patterns. Therefore, it would seem beneficial to focus THE MAJORITY of our efforts on people from that area!
EPGAH 11 months ago
@EPGAH and if you're dealing with some yocal who has never left the US and really has no clue what a muslim "looks" like you'll have him stopping every light skin brownish person that talks funny.Sorry but you have to have probable cause to search someone."I'm scared of the Darkies" ain't enough to justify it.
gamesmaster35 10 months ago
@gamesmaster35 mcveigh said science was his religion.
TheAmazingamerica 10 months ago
@ivanmikhailov Or of course, if information tech is fast enough, they could just run down someone's history and associations, and see if they have been to any terrorist training camp recently...
C'mon, do you really think they're dumb enough to put that on their FaceBook page or some other open source?
I know we "only catch the stupid ones", but that's asking too much!
EPGAH 11 months ago
SHUT THE FUCK UP LIBERALS!!.
Whatever4690 11 months ago
The host sounds really similar to one guy from The Atheist Experience :O
Krazed2Kraze 11 months ago
@Krazed2Kraze
I bet you're talking about the host Jeff Dee and you're right.
Wordlaw12 11 months ago
Video starts out " Shut the fuck up LIBERALS!"
Then the majority of video is a liberal speaking.... Say what?
bkirk1979 11 months ago
What's the point ?
Sam Harris is a hero for believing, and lecturing on, what he believes.
Yet ..... is Tucker going to claim to be a secularist, a NON-BELIEVER /
He has to pretend to believe in GOD; otherwise, there goes his right-wing pedigree.
Much like the black intellectual who's trotted-out and interviewed on " race issues " ( and that alone ), Mr. Harris was being used, of course. If Tucker & Co., had their way ( or, at least, what they profess to believe ) Harris would NOT speak.
Mr111810 11 months ago 2
@Mr111810 Agreed. Also, I hope everyone commenting realizes Harris is a liberal athiest....
bkirk1979 11 months ago
-In 1995, 168 people were killed and 450 people were injured when the Alfred P. Murrah Building in Oklahoma City was bombed by a Christian extremist.
-Funny how Ann missed that one... and by funny, I mean intentional, xenophobic, racist misrepresentation of obvious facts.
CBlargh 11 months ago 11
@CBlargh he was not a christian, and his act was most certainly not an act conducted out of Christianity, source .. go to 1:50 of this video /watch?v=p2DC3eYkAZo
MrGeorgedubya 11 months ago
@MrGeorgedubya
-SURE Timothy McVeigh was not a true Christian, just like all those Muslims Ann mentioned are not true Muslims... right? So why go through a litany of "Muslim" extremism and ignore "Christian" extremism unless you are attempting to whitewash your own cult's activities and incite hatred against the members of some other cult?
CBlargh 11 months ago
@CBlargh Tim McVeigh openly renounced God and Government before going on his little rampage. For better or worse, Moslems cry out "Allahu Akbar" (In the Will of Allah) before they blow shit up.
Therefore, Moslem bombings can be linked to their Cult, while McVeigh did his all by himself!
EPGAH 11 months ago
@EPGAH
-McVeigh did not believe in the Christian god? What's your source? I note in advance the failure to provide a reputable one, and also note that "moderate" Muslims say the same damn thing about Muslim terrorists... so what's the difference between you and a Muslim? What are any of you doing but whitewashing extremism?
-"Allahu Akbar" (Aloha Snackbar) does not mean "In the will of Allah", it means "Thegod is great". Is anything you say based on fact?
CBlargh 11 months ago
@CBlargh If your last act is to renounce God, that would be one thing, but if your last act in this world is to proclaim your cult's God, that indicates you're killing in your God's name.
As to proving McVeigh was an atheist, there's Guardian, CS Monitor, HuffPost (BEFORE they got taken over by AOHell), which of those sources will you accept, and which were obvious plants by conservatives?
EPGAH 11 months ago
@EPGAH
-I would accept data from any of those outlets, but the outlets themselves can't be a source. You have to provide me some more detailed information, like this:
-Timothy McVeigh claimed to be a Catholic, and claimed to believe in a god in an interview with Time Magazine in 2001.
-Timothy McVeigh was found in possession of "The Turner Diaries", racist terrorist literature popular with the Christian Identity movement.
-The KKK burns crosses. How much more obvious do you need it to be?
CBlargh 11 months ago
@CBlargh You can go to Wal-Mart right now and buy a sheet of cross stickers, slap one on your forehead, and CALL yourself a Christian. It does not MAKE you one. Did you ever think that he might've "Found God" in prison? Perhaps as a delaying tactic?
Why are you going to such lengths to link Christianity to the works of an atheist? I sent you all 3 links, just for thoroughness. They can't all be lying, McVeigh renounced Government and God!
EPGAH 11 months ago
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CBlargh 11 months ago
@EPGAH
-True! ... and you can grow a long beard and climb into some PJ's, and it doesn't make you a Muslim. How is your claim different from a Muslim claiming people who blow up buildings aren't true Muslims?
-Why are you going to such great lengths to link atheism to the works of a man who said he believes in god (in a 2001 interview with Time Magazine)? Simply listing news outlets is not a reference. You have to be slightly more specific. Where did you read McVeigh was an atheist?
CBlargh 11 months ago
@CBlargh Because it's ONE incident instead of a PATTERN of incidents. Let's even assume he's a Christian. ONE disillusioned Christian committing an act is more likely to be an Isolated Incident than 15,000 Moslems PER YEAR!
It forms a pattern of behavior, and after a certain point, claims that X is Just An Isolated Incident starts eliciting the response, "Sure, sell me a bridge too, while you're at it!" How many "isolated Incidents" will you accept before you start thinking it's organized?
EPGAH 11 months ago
@CBlargh Actually, I watched it in CNN, and I am not trying to link atheists to McVeigh, just pointing out he IS one. Part of the problem most have with Atheism (Other than that their fundies can get as nuts as any other) is that there is no They, no central group, no central dogma, so you don't know WHAT they are going to do.
Sort of Chaotic Neutral Religious Anarchy, if you will. At least with Moslems, you KNOW what to expect: Their book encourages acts of violence against non-Moslems!
EPGAH 11 months ago
@CBlargh More importantly, the Moslem Cult has not had a Protestant Sect, a Reformation, the Moslem Cult is now what it was 1400 years ago--except arguably with tech&power--and that's never a good mix!
Moreover, the only reason the Moslem Cult doesn't have a Protestant Sect is that they are more ruthless/efficient at killing off their "Protestants", not because their cult is more worthy of tight adherence, or even internal unity They couldn't share a pizza, much less control of a country!
EPGAH 11 months ago
@EPGAH
-When buddy? When did you see Timothy McVeigh confirm his atheism on CNN?... because he said he believed in a god in a 2001 interview in Time Magazine. So, we have actual evidence vs. hearsay. Guess which one wins in court?
-Is this not a pattern of behaviour?
watch?v=VI0gnh7ChDw
-What about this?
watch?v=q-MuWDsv5pg
-... and this?
watch?v=exUfpzWLOYw
-What religious symbol were those terrorists burning? It wasn't a moon and star, was it? Isolated incident, my ass...
CBlargh 10 months ago
@CBlargh u r an asocial.
TheAmazingamerica 10 months ago
@MrGeorgedubya Timothy McVeigh was raised Roman Catholic.
colerichards6969 8 months ago
@MrGeorgedubya
Yes, Timothy McVeigh WAS a Christian, unless of course you are so ignorant as to not understand that Catholics are technically Christians.. In a March, 1996, interview with Time magazine, McVeigh professed his belief in "a God"... he had "sort of lost touch with" Catholicism, "however I do maintain core beliefs."
Source: Patrick Cole, "A Look Back in TIME: Interview with Timothy McVeigh," March 30, 1996. Retrieved October 19, 2010.
comingatchu 7 months ago
@MrGeorgedubya
Also, before his execution, McVeigh took the Catholic sacrament of the Anointing of the Sick.
Source: "McVeigh took last rites before execution". CNN. June 11, 2001.
comingatchu 7 months ago
@MrGeorgedubya He was a Christian, and his act was inspired by the Right-wing wackiness that pervades the harder fringes of Conservative Christianity. Maybe you should do some research ?
"I know in my heart that I am right in my struggle, Steve. I have come to peace with myself, my God and my cause."
--Timothy McVeigh, writing to an old schoolfriend.
allieron 7 months ago
@CBlargh actually McVeigh was not religious at all, read his biography, "American Terrorist"
ghaayah 10 months ago
@ghaayah
-When a person says he is Catholic and says he believes in a god (as Timothy McVeigh did in a 2001 interview in Time Magazine), that takes precedence over what some Christian apologist believes his beliefs were... sorry to break it to you.
-I think it's perfectly fine to assume terrorists who say they are Muslim are actually Muslim, but you can't have it both ways. You have to take Christian terrorists at their word as well, or you're a hypocrite.
CBlargh 10 months ago
@CBlargh very big difference in mceigh and muslim terrorist they are not even comparable
OregonOutlaw2000 10 months ago
@CBlargh timmothy mcvey did what he did because of ruby ridge and waco nuttin to do with religion had to do with gov. killing inocent children. I wish he would of thought it through better and not killed innocent people but ones about as good as the other only gov. officials didnt go to prison huh imagine that
OregonOutlaw2000 10 months ago
@OregonOutlaw2000
-Right, and you could say all of the Muslims that Ann Coulter listed were motivated by wars in the Middle East instead of their religion, as many Muslims do. As far as I'm concerned, Christians, Muslims, and all religious people are providing cover for the barbaric, immoral behaviour of your ridiculous cults, and the majority of reasonable people in this world are starting to wake up to this fact.
-Special privilege time for the mentally ill is now over.
CBlargh 9 months ago
@CBlargh Alls we are doing is global depopulation 500 Billion is the goal and as soon as you look at what is happening with this perspective you will assume governments incompitant when in reality they are doing exactly what the puppet master is telling them. lol wah hahahaha
OregonOutlaw2000 9 months ago
@CBlargh That's right hippy, throw up a red herring.
no2religions 7 months ago
@no2religions
-lol! Wait, what's the red herring? That Christian terrorist Timothy McVeigh murdered 168 people in 1995? That's less of a herring and more of an empirical fact, my friend.
CBlargh 7 months ago
@CBlargh It is a fact, but one that is totally unrelated to the matter at hand. Thus, a red herring. I'm just saying that, give the content of the video, your statement made no contribution. Served only to change the topic rather than discuss it. Islamites have, as an intrinsic part of their religion, unique, violent motivations. It's NOT the same at other religions. That is the point you missed.
Anne is a wretch and an evil person. That doesn't mean that Islam isn't a vile philosophy.
no2religions 7 months ago
@no2religions
... but Islam is the same as other religions. There's really nothing special about it despite what Muslims might tell you. It's very similar to Mormonism, actually.
-Islam IS vile... as are all cults, including Christianity.
-Ann Coulter seemed to be suggesting that Muslims are responsible for all terrorism... which is false... as my statement demonstrated... so I'd say my statement actually hewed very closely to the topic.
CBlargh 7 months ago
@CBlargh Glad to see we agree on the broad strokes here. And Coulter is a bigot and a loser, and we can be done talking about her/it.
But, "There's really nothing special about it despite what Muslims might tell you." is a statement that is disagreeable in a number of ways. Firstly, it's not muslims saying this, it's atheists. The Koran is explicitly a political manifesto. Search YT for "religion of piece". McVeigh was not a "Christian Extremist". His motives were secular.
no2religions 7 months ago
@no2religions
-Some atheists (including Harris) do say that Islam is inherently different from other religions (as do most Muslims), but I don't find this to be the case. There's no fundamental difference between Islamic texts and the stories of old testament conquest, or Joseph Smith's racist pamphlet of manifest destiny. All these books are political manifestos!
-What's the difference between what you said and moderate Muslims saying al Qaeda have secular motives and are not true Muslims?
CBlargh 7 months ago
@CBlargh "What's the difference between what you said and moderate Muslims saying al Qaeda have secular motives and are not true Muslims?" Nothing. It's the same thing. The Koran is very EXPLICIT about how ALL of it is true and literal. There is to be no picking and choosing in islam. And the old testament is just as much a part of islam as it is with christianity.
"moderates" are people who believe a watered down version due to the impact of science and secularism.
no2religions 7 months ago
@no2religions
-Wait, so you find persuasive the argument that al Qaeda are not true Muslims? If terrorists aren't Islamic, what is your problem with Islam? If you don't find this argument persuasive, why would you find persuasive the argument that Timothy McVeigh and the KKK are not true Christians?
-The Bible and the Torah are very explicit about being true and literal too, and members of these cults claim you cannot pick and choose even as they pick and choose... so what's the difference?
CBlargh 7 months ago
@CBlargh lol... you have it backwards. :) I meant to say that I agree with al qaeda's position that so-called "moderates" are not devout. They are secular. That is just my understanding of the theology. An "extremists" is more devout and more in keeping with the intent of the people/persons which penned the Koran. This "extremists" or "fundamentalists" are simply "old school", not some fringe. Did not mohamed, personally chopped-up other people? That has got to show up in there.
no2religions 7 months ago
@no2religions
-If Muslims must obey commands in the Qur'an to murder unbelievers, why mustn't Christians obey commands in the Bible to murder unbelievers?
-Why do you have different standards for being a "true" Muslim and a "true" Christian?
CBlargh 7 months ago
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@CBlargh "-If Muslims must obey commands in the Qur'an to murder unbelievers, why mustn't Christians obey commands in the Bible to murder unbelievers?" They must. Who's playing favourites?
"Why do you have different standards for being a "true" Muslim and a "true" Christian?" I don't.
no2religions 7 months ago
@no2religions
-Didn't you just say Timothy McVeigh was not Christian? Both Muslims and Christians are commanded by their magic books to murder unbelievers.
-If you don't have a double-standard, why is one terrorist religious and the other not?
CBlargh 7 months ago
@CBlargh Where did I say McVeigh wasn't a christian? I said that his terrorism wan't Christianity motivated. The fact he was a Christian was totally incidental. The fact that Osama Bin Ladin was Muslim was not incidental to what he was and did. Set McVeigh's list of grievances next to Bin Ladin's list and tell me that they are the same.
I'm sorry to say, but I doesn't seem that you understand that point that Harris was making. His main point wasn't even about islam, but liberal "dogma".
no2religions 7 months ago
@no2religions
-Oh, sorry, so by following the commands in the Qur'an to murder unbelievers, Osama was being motivated by Islam, but by following the commands in the Bible to murder unbelievers, Timothy McVeigh's actions were secular and his Christianity was completely incidental to his terrorism... That's what you think?
o_0
CBlargh 7 months ago
@CBlargh Enough already you're like a broken record. Where do look I online to find about Mcveigh and his explicit christian motivations for killing people? It's not there. You are just saying the same thing again and again. What support do you have for your position? Unless you can find a good source supporting you, then please don't reply. Have you even looked?
no2religions 7 months ago
@no2religions
-McVeigh was angry about the USA oppressing the "religious freedom" of David Koresh! It was in retaliation for Waco. It's not just similar to Osama bin Laden's reasoning, it's the exact same reasoning!
-I think a bigger and slightly more disturbing question is: if you and Harris and other "skeptical" anti-theists have such a rational opposition to all religion, why are you acting like Christian apologists? Just because a cult is familiar to you doesn't mean it's better...
CBlargh 7 months ago
@CBlargh
Firstly, your opinion is not a sourse.
Where do you come up with this? Bin Laden has no interest in religious freedom. McVeigh's upset was at "big government"... he was a libertarian. About as far from Bin Laden as you can get. Most atheists I know are in favour of religious freedom, so why is it a "christian" act for McVeigh when his politics, and not his religion, motivated it, and any person of any background could agree with his grievance. What does McVeigh himself say?
no2religions 7 months ago
@no2religions
-Right! Both bin Laden and McVeigh had an interest in "religious freedom", which was less true religious freedom and more death for everyone who didn't believe as they did. Does no one know what quotes mean in this context anymore?
-bin Laden claimed to be avenging the Palestinians (or pick a political grievance) and McVeigh claimed to be avenging David Koresh. Why is one motivated by politics and the other not? Why is one motivated by religion and the other not?
CBlargh 7 months ago
@CBlargh ME: "Bin Laden has no interest in religious freedom. "
You: "Right! Both bin Laden and McVeigh had an interest in "religious freedom""
You " Does no one know what quotes mean in this context anymore?"
Me: ya, you. Now you misrepresent me to me. You're just trolling. I'm finished. You decide that your interpretation is true despite that very words of the people you are talking about. Lie to and waste someone else's time. McVeigh talking his crime in religious terms? No. Troll.
no2religions 7 months ago
@no2religions
-You think "religious freedom" is the same as religious freedom? Why use quotes then?
-Timothy McVeigh claimed to be avenging David Koresh. bin Laden claimed to be avenging Palestinians. These are the facts. Both men claimed to be avenging their co-religionists, but you claim one person was motivated by faith and the other by politics. Why?
-If that's not what you're claiming, feel free to correct me. If you realise you're wrong, feel free to admit it. I always do. ;)
CBlargh 7 months ago
@CBlargh - Christians have NO such command anywhere in the scriptures to "murder unbelievers". We are instructed to forgive, show mercy, love life , love others and to LOVE GOD more than any other thing. The Bible teaches Christians to be tolerant and to walk in the Love and peace of Jesus; not to use violence or illegitimate vengence against any person (guilty or innocent). We are not perfect, but this is the behavior rooted in Jesus God wants us to emulate.
shieldsff 7 months ago
@shieldsff
-lol! Imagine, a Christian who doesn't know what the Bible says:
"the LORD hath sworn that the LORD will have war with Amalek from generation to generation" -Exodus 17:16
"Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live" -Exodus 22:18
"Whosoever ... giveth any of his seed unto Molech; he shall surely be put to death: the people of the land shall stone him with stones" -Leviticus 20:2
-Sounds like killing unbelievers to me...
CBlargh 7 months ago
@CBlargh - on the contrary, you do understand I hope that the texts you've cited (quite out of context I might add) refer solely & in a very limited manner to the theocratic state of Isreal which has not existed for, well, thousands of years now..Jesus, alternatively taught that we are to love our neighbors (everyone) as ourselves and that God, in fact, LOVES everyone that He sent Jesus so that whoever trusts in Jesus will actually have God in a unique & special way, both now & in all eternity
shieldsff 7 months ago
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shieldsff 7 months ago
I think it may also prove helpful to some of the viewers here to try to evaluate many of the more strident claims of the anti-theist critique ("brights") from a ideological/ metaphysics perspective. Check out the recent article by Jackson Lears in the May 16, 2011 issue of the The Nation entitled "Same Old New Atheism" .The article offers a compelling analysis of Sam Harris' works. Consideration is given to general secular social perspectives
shieldsff 7 months ago
@shieldsff
...as if Muslims never complain about passages taken out of context... as if Muhammed's theocratic state had not been dead for thousands of years... as if you didn't know that Jesus makes clear the OT is still valid (Matthew 5:17)... as if you didn't know Jesus threatened unbelievers with death (Luke 19:27).
-This is why people say Christians aren't honest: because you aren't. Just like Muslims. Just like Jews. Just like everyone who believes in this imaginary nonsense.
CBlargh 7 months ago
see, your commentary is a perfect example of the defects of illogical arguments. For you to associate theocratic directives and the earthly ministry and teachings of Jesus in this way clearly shows you are willfully ignoring the body of Jesus's thought or you utterly lack any knowledge of the systemic teachings of Jesus and the Gospels. JEsus makes clear that His Kingdom is not of this world & that anyone who trusts in Him will have living water and eternal life- a promise never made to Hebrews
shieldsff 7 months ago
@CBlargh well of course she would consider him a patriot rising against the fed
MrNormlguy 7 months ago
@CBlargh - pls.,... stop {intentionally ?!?] fudging if you would - Everyone is more than aware that Mr. McVeigh was an Kuwaitie war veteran and militiam