Is this real?? I attended this training in 1991 as a Naval Aviator, was beaten, brainwashed, and humiliated. However, after this training I was more than ready for combat.
@CRs4Life Well, then you understand that the training you underwent was RESISTANCE + SURVIVAL training - it wasn't training to torture your enemy. Correct?
Obviously the SERE instructor is an 'expert' and I think his testemony that it is torchure is valid. To the question 'what kind of a nation are we that would resort to the use of waterboarding?. I could only argue that the waterboarding of Khalid uncovered the Philipine airline terrorist attacks and twarted them, thereby saving hundreds of human lives. What kind of nation would not use waterboarding to save its people as long as its used with discretion and purpose?
sere training will save your life, its brutal and intense but if you get captured by the enemy especially our enemy right now who does not follow the loac, its gonna be a 100 times worse.
@admiralcrash1 At the time that we found out about unit 731, the United States had just nuked 2 civilian cities, not to mention all of the villages that we fire bombed. Those attacks were necessary to win the war, and in the end saved lives, but pointing out civilian deaths still wasn't popular back then.
i bet you wrote that paragraph and you just wanted to use his name cuz i really bet that a navy seal would write to you.... i dont get people like you.
Ok this is just one persons opinion of water boarding. If the author is who he says he is he most defiantly would not have written this paper. If he is who he says he is than he would know that there is no long term damage either and it is not torture it is a conditioning process combined with other methods of conditioning to gain a desired outcome. Torture consist of a managed application of pain to gain a desired response which is neither usable reliable reproducible information.
I agree the title is misleading. But that is her ilks intent, to mislead.
i don't understand these liberals. they want the US to be some kind of leader in morality, yet vote a guy into office who has lead nothing and continues not to lead 2 years later. Liberalism is truly a mental disorder.
if i wanted to hear someone reading off a book i would have bought a fucking audio book... your title is misleading.. you should change it to ( old lady reads off a book for 10 minutes....)
I agree with our training doctrine to be prepared for torture if it is inflicted. As a nation of virtues which guarantee human rights & freedom ... I do not condone or support any form of torture. Water-boarding is indeed torture unless they are using it as an interrogation technique by law enforcement officials on fellow citizens (which I'm completely unaware of in this instance).
you should see what Russian equivalent of SERE training looks like, american one would seem like a trip to disneyland, and this dumb bitch keeps preaching...torture is part of warfare for thousands of years ....so lady get a grip with reality and find another hobby
@Cardan011 You don't know what the fuck you are talking about, I went through SERE after Ranger school. Waterboarding is the LEAST of what they do. I was locked in a 4x4 foot cage for days, I was starved, beaten, blasted with a fire hose, locked in a little black box in the hot sun for hours. the only food we had was the bugs that wandered into our cages. They don't let you sleep. You have to piss and shit in your little cage, it goes on and on dude, so don't act like you know, cause you don't.
HAHAHA!! Doesn't stop until you break? "High level operator"?? "Operator J"?? Um, NO. You have nothing to do with spec ops, I guarantee it. You would never post your occupation and would certainly never state things that don't happen. I guess on the internet we can be whoever we want lololol
@Zombpocalypse Why is it my business? When my own govt is in support of torture (I'm not talking about the SERE training, which is specifically designed to RESIST torture), then it's very much my business as a concerned citizen + human being. And it should be yours as well, unless you simply don't care.
@55ella2007k oh, i certainly do care. i cared enough to enlist in the Marine Corps and serve my country. what have you ever done for America besides bitch about it?
@Zombpocalypse I cared for the soldiers returning home, via my job in nursing. You do realize, I hope,, that many vets are totally forgotten once they've served - with the exception of ceremonies - which do not even begin to address the problems of returning vets. Please do not pre-judge me. I would highly recommend the book PACKING INFERNO, written by a Marine. It is gripping + you will be able to relate to many situations described therein. Please read it. It was not written by a liberal.
@55ella2007k well then i thank you for your service to our troops.
but let me explain the workings of the military to you. everything is done for a reason. although it may not be apparent to a civilian, the military knows what it's doing. it's had a long time to experiment. and as a side note - is torture ugly? yes. but so is war. and war is black and white.
@55ella2007k If the US Government is waterboarding al qaeda,why do you get upset about it.You aren't looking at it fairly.Look at it from the other way.If it were up to the Al Qaeda, or the Taliban,you would be dead were you stand.These people have killed innocent civilians.Do you not realize that, 2,000 innocent people were killed, for no reason what so ever.Just this morning 22 DEVGRU's 3 CCT's and 7 160th SOAR's were killed, out of unjust act of hatred.
As a former Special Operator, I was absolutely apalled at Abu Gharib. Most of the elite military forces were. Why, you ask? Did they not do worse to us? Did they not do worse to their own? Yes, they did. But many people, especially ground troops, forget one of our guiding principles -- "We're better than that."
The nations of the World are in your debt for your service; but let us not lose sight of our honored purpose, brother. We are instruments of **humanity**
Pig snot! It amazes me how blissfully ignorant most Americans can be. Any experienced operator would much rather a water board to having their teeth crushed with pliers or shards of wood being hammered under their finger nails or their toes smashed etc. Water boarding is nothing compared to most of war's depravity. SERE instructors are NOT operators. They do not go into harm's way. Hey Malcolm Nance, soldier up and have the stones to air your grievance in person.
Pig snot! It amazes me how blissfully ignorant most Americans can be. Any experienced operator would much rather a water board to having their teeth crushed with pliers or shards of wood being hammered under their finger nails or their toes smashed etc. Water boarding is nothing compared to most of war's depravity. SERE instructors are NOT operators. They do not go into harm's way. Hey Malcolm Nance, soldier up and have the stones to air your grievance in person.
The Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape training is used specifically to train high-risk combat operators how to survive in a hostile area of operations without support, evade opposing forces until rescue, resist interrogation and imprisonment by opposing forces, and escape from the area of operations. High-risk operators are put through this training in order to prepare them in the case they are ever trapped in a hostile AO without support or evac.
@55ella2007k So you also realize that people put through torture in SERE have volunteered to be there? They can stop it at any time and it does not stop until they break, at least for high-level operators. There are different protocols in place to handle operator training at different skill and clearance levels as well. I can tell you that no high-level operator or operative will use torture as a means to gain information. It is too unreliable, though many would argue otherwise.
@variabl3 Yes, very much so. In other words, there is a HUGE difference between volunteering to undergo torture, under controlled circumstances, and being subjected to it by hostile forces. An acquaintance of mine is an F-15 pilot who went through the SERE program. He explained it more or less in detail to me. And yes, he considers water boarding to be torture, and he agrees, that torture is a highly unreliable 'tool' for extracting truthful information from anybody.
Are you serious?? This woman shouldn't be speaking on behalf of a man who would not post it himself. This woman is a bleeding heart liberal so why don't you quit crying. Did he send this to you personally? Why are you going about it to fit your agenda? I find it sad and could go on but I couldn't get my point across since you wouldn't understand.
@TheBertsch : He did post it himself, check out the sidebar. The SmallWarJournal is hardly a bleeding heart liberal publication. From the looks of your channel, you have a devotional video up. You support torture and call yourself a Christian?
I would not question his Christianity. I actually agree with you, waterboarding goes too far. But questioning this man's devotion to God is beside the issue.
Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth. I've been waterboarded at San Diego SERE. I KNOW it is a great technique to get people to talk. If us using it saves American lives, then we should employ it to its fullest.
@Palanthon: I have no doubt, that it's a great technique to get people to talk - but you'll also get that person to say anything you WANT to hear, just to make it stop. It's torture, plain + simple + forbidden by US law. SERE training was set up to RESIST torture, was it not? So, the entire purpose of it is quite different. Besides, by torturing your enemy you'll only create more enemies down the line.
Really? Look here we go giving MORE rights to Terrorists... They don't deserve rights. They deserve to die slow painful deaths. Did the terrorists care that the people who didn't die on impact or in the collapse of the twin towers who had to lay there to die from blood loss, crush syndrome, suffocation, and or asphyxiation. Fuck the Terrorists and the bleeding heart people who feel bad for them.
i am all for bad guys getting it in the ass but anyone can be categorized as a terrorist like a bank robber, the purse snatcher, the rapist, even politicians can be terrorist look at Obama/Bush they is a terrorist, so is Stalin and Hitler. mater of fact government has been the biggest terrorist organization of the 20th century. over 600,000,000 souls have been lost due to governments sponsored terror called war and they are not done yet just you wait and see at their next act.
Its not baby murder its a womans right to choose,They are not terrorists they are insurgents,its not legal deportation of illegal southern border crossers its rascism,its not an invasion of an Islamic nation its a war on terrorism to protect us,those arent spy or survielance cameras those are security cameras,its not a total economic melt down its just a really long recession, you are not losing your freedoms you are gaining security,you are not an slave you are a servant, water boarding is ok
@vmpslr2 SERE training, just like any other high-level training, is monitored and tailored to fit the personnel tasked with completing it. In other words, they may be training a platoon of Rangers or a single, deep-cover counter intelligence operative. During the resistance phase, different means of interrogation are used for different prisoners. You would not interview a PFC in the same manner you would a high-level operator or operative. Not many countries are that amateur any more.
Let's not forget we let Japanese Unit 731 go unnoticed. America was bought off by the information provided by the horrible physical and mental experiments the Japanese did to the Chinese as well as US POW's. Money talks, not humanity.
ANd let's not forget how kind we were to Japanese Americans on our soil by putting 100,000 into internment camps for the duration of the war because of their heritage and appearance.
America didn't invent these. The enemy did. Lucky we have Americans with the guts to use em when they need to. Freedom...is not free.
RFWUSA 4 months ago
Is this real?? I attended this training in 1991 as a Naval Aviator, was beaten, brainwashed, and humiliated. However, after this training I was more than ready for combat.
CRs4Life 4 months ago
@CRs4Life Well, then you understand that the training you underwent was RESISTANCE + SURVIVAL training - it wasn't training to torture your enemy. Correct?
55ella2007k 4 months ago
Obviously the SERE instructor is an 'expert' and I think his testemony that it is torchure is valid. To the question 'what kind of a nation are we that would resort to the use of waterboarding?. I could only argue that the waterboarding of Khalid uncovered the Philipine airline terrorist attacks and twarted them, thereby saving hundreds of human lives. What kind of nation would not use waterboarding to save its people as long as its used with discretion and purpose?
gerry301 5 months ago
"Torture" is necessary to break someone, especially if they have vital info that could save lives in my opinion.
diabeticmonkey 6 months ago
sere training will save your life, its brutal and intense but if you get captured by the enemy especially our enemy right now who does not follow the loac, its gonna be a 100 times worse.
aptxxxtimmy 6 months ago
@admiralcrash1 At the time that we found out about unit 731, the United States had just nuked 2 civilian cities, not to mention all of the villages that we fire bombed. Those attacks were necessary to win the war, and in the end saved lives, but pointing out civilian deaths still wasn't popular back then.
Toarn 6 months ago
i bet you wrote that paragraph and you just wanted to use his name cuz i really bet that a navy seal would write to you.... i dont get people like you.
lildude10100 6 months ago
You are the reason the govt keeps secrets from it's people. Humans as a species are intelligent, however people as a whole are stupid, ie. you.
gunny0321 9 months ago
Ok this is just one persons opinion of water boarding. If the author is who he says he is he most defiantly would not have written this paper. If he is who he says he is than he would know that there is no long term damage either and it is not torture it is a conditioning process combined with other methods of conditioning to gain a desired outcome. Torture consist of a managed application of pain to gain a desired response which is neither usable reliable reproducible information.
mragland755 10 months ago
I agree the title is misleading. But that is her ilks intent, to mislead.
i don't understand these liberals. they want the US to be some kind of leader in morality, yet vote a guy into office who has lead nothing and continues not to lead 2 years later. Liberalism is truly a mental disorder.
SuperBigblue19 11 months ago
if i wanted to hear someone reading off a book i would have bought a fucking audio book... your title is misleading.. you should change it to ( old lady reads off a book for 10 minutes....)
TheBassgorilla 1 year ago
I agree with our training doctrine to be prepared for torture if it is inflicted. As a nation of virtues which guarantee human rights & freedom ... I do not condone or support any form of torture. Water-boarding is indeed torture unless they are using it as an interrogation technique by law enforcement officials on fellow citizens (which I'm completely unaware of in this instance).
njneopatriot 1 year ago
you should see what Russian equivalent of SERE training looks like, american one would seem like a trip to disneyland, and this dumb bitch keeps preaching...torture is part of warfare for thousands of years ....so lady get a grip with reality and find another hobby
Cardan011 1 year ago
@Cardan011 You don't know what the fuck you are talking about, I went through SERE after Ranger school. Waterboarding is the LEAST of what they do. I was locked in a 4x4 foot cage for days, I was starved, beaten, blasted with a fire hose, locked in a little black box in the hot sun for hours. the only food we had was the bugs that wandered into our cages. They don't let you sleep. You have to piss and shit in your little cage, it goes on and on dude, so don't act like you know, cause you don't.
Nakor420ish 7 months ago
HAHAHA!! Doesn't stop until you break? "High level operator"?? "Operator J"?? Um, NO. You have nothing to do with spec ops, I guarantee it. You would never post your occupation and would certainly never state things that don't happen. I guess on the internet we can be whoever we want lololol
coricidincrush 1 year ago
why did you post this video? how is any of this your business?
Zombpocalypse 1 year ago
@Zombpocalypse Why is it my business? When my own govt is in support of torture (I'm not talking about the SERE training, which is specifically designed to RESIST torture), then it's very much my business as a concerned citizen + human being. And it should be yours as well, unless you simply don't care.
55ella2007k 1 year ago
@55ella2007k oh, i certainly do care. i cared enough to enlist in the Marine Corps and serve my country. what have you ever done for America besides bitch about it?
Zombpocalypse 1 year ago 4
@Zombpocalypse I cared for the soldiers returning home, via my job in nursing. You do realize, I hope,, that many vets are totally forgotten once they've served - with the exception of ceremonies - which do not even begin to address the problems of returning vets. Please do not pre-judge me. I would highly recommend the book PACKING INFERNO, written by a Marine. It is gripping + you will be able to relate to many situations described therein. Please read it. It was not written by a liberal.
55ella2007k 1 year ago 4
@55ella2007k well then i thank you for your service to our troops.
but let me explain the workings of the military to you. everything is done for a reason. although it may not be apparent to a civilian, the military knows what it's doing. it's had a long time to experiment. and as a side note - is torture ugly? yes. but so is war. and war is black and white.
Zombpocalypse 1 year ago
@55ella2007k If the US Government is waterboarding al qaeda,why do you get upset about it.You aren't looking at it fairly.Look at it from the other way.If it were up to the Al Qaeda, or the Taliban,you would be dead were you stand.These people have killed innocent civilians.Do you not realize that, 2,000 innocent people were killed, for no reason what so ever.Just this morning 22 DEVGRU's 3 CCT's and 7 160th SOAR's were killed, out of unjust act of hatred.
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colombianowil4 1 year ago
@Zombpocalypse get a fucking life devil dog.
docshuck 11 months ago
@Zombpocalypse
As a former Special Operator, I was absolutely apalled at Abu Gharib. Most of the elite military forces were. Why, you ask? Did they not do worse to us? Did they not do worse to their own? Yes, they did. But many people, especially ground troops, forget one of our guiding principles -- "We're better than that."
The nations of the World are in your debt for your service; but let us not lose sight of our honored purpose, brother. We are instruments of **humanity**
bdtrap 6 months ago
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Pig snot! It amazes me how blissfully ignorant most Americans can be. Any experienced operator would much rather a water board to having their teeth crushed with pliers or shards of wood being hammered under their finger nails or their toes smashed etc. Water boarding is nothing compared to most of war's depravity. SERE instructors are NOT operators. They do not go into harm's way. Hey Malcolm Nance, soldier up and have the stones to air your grievance in person.
WhiskeyKilo60 1 year ago
Pig snot! It amazes me how blissfully ignorant most Americans can be. Any experienced operator would much rather a water board to having their teeth crushed with pliers or shards of wood being hammered under their finger nails or their toes smashed etc. Water boarding is nothing compared to most of war's depravity. SERE instructors are NOT operators. They do not go into harm's way. Hey Malcolm Nance, soldier up and have the stones to air your grievance in person.
WhiskeyKilo60 1 year ago
SERE school is a tough coarse, they know what their getting into. So suck it up.
Darkatanforever 1 year ago
The Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape training is used specifically to train high-risk combat operators how to survive in a hostile area of operations without support, evade opposing forces until rescue, resist interrogation and imprisonment by opposing forces, and escape from the area of operations. High-risk operators are put through this training in order to prepare them in the case they are ever trapped in a hostile AO without support or evac.
variabl3 1 year ago
@variabl3 Exactly.
55ella2007k 1 year ago
@55ella2007k So you also realize that people put through torture in SERE have volunteered to be there? They can stop it at any time and it does not stop until they break, at least for high-level operators. There are different protocols in place to handle operator training at different skill and clearance levels as well. I can tell you that no high-level operator or operative will use torture as a means to gain information. It is too unreliable, though many would argue otherwise.
- Operator J
variabl3 1 year ago
@variabl3 Yes, very much so. In other words, there is a HUGE difference between volunteering to undergo torture, under controlled circumstances, and being subjected to it by hostile forces. An acquaintance of mine is an F-15 pilot who went through the SERE program. He explained it more or less in detail to me. And yes, he considers water boarding to be torture, and he agrees, that torture is a highly unreliable 'tool' for extracting truthful information from anybody.
55ella2007k 1 year ago
Are you serious?? This woman shouldn't be speaking on behalf of a man who would not post it himself. This woman is a bleeding heart liberal so why don't you quit crying. Did he send this to you personally? Why are you going about it to fit your agenda? I find it sad and could go on but I couldn't get my point across since you wouldn't understand.
TheBertsch 1 year ago
@TheBertsch : He did post it himself, check out the sidebar. The SmallWarJournal is hardly a bleeding heart liberal publication. From the looks of your channel, you have a devotional video up. You support torture and call yourself a Christian?
55ella2007k 1 year ago 2
I would not question his Christianity. I actually agree with you, waterboarding goes too far. But questioning this man's devotion to God is beside the issue.
holyfire232 1 year ago
Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth. I've been waterboarded at San Diego SERE. I KNOW it is a great technique to get people to talk. If us using it saves American lives, then we should employ it to its fullest.
Palanthon 2 years ago
@Palanthon: I have no doubt, that it's a great technique to get people to talk - but you'll also get that person to say anything you WANT to hear, just to make it stop. It's torture, plain + simple + forbidden by US law. SERE training was set up to RESIST torture, was it not? So, the entire purpose of it is quite different. Besides, by torturing your enemy you'll only create more enemies down the line.
55ella2007k 2 years ago
Where the hell is this essay. I'll just read it on my own.
kgunby 2 years ago
kgunby: the link to the essay is in the side bar.
55ella2007k 2 years ago
Have you forgotten 9/11?
BornInAmerica 2 years ago
@BornInAmerica inside job
mechanicalbu11 1 year ago
Really? Look here we go giving MORE rights to Terrorists... They don't deserve rights. They deserve to die slow painful deaths. Did the terrorists care that the people who didn't die on impact or in the collapse of the twin towers who had to lay there to die from blood loss, crush syndrome, suffocation, and or asphyxiation. Fuck the Terrorists and the bleeding heart people who feel bad for them.
bananacakes9 2 years ago 12
Amen Brother!
OutBack206 2 years ago
@bananacakes9
i am all for bad guys getting it in the ass but anyone can be categorized as a terrorist like a bank robber, the purse snatcher, the rapist, even politicians can be terrorist look at Obama/Bush they is a terrorist, so is Stalin and Hitler. mater of fact government has been the biggest terrorist organization of the 20th century. over 600,000,000 souls have been lost due to governments sponsored terror called war and they are not done yet just you wait and see at their next act.
mechanicalbu11 1 year ago
Its not baby murder its a womans right to choose,They are not terrorists they are insurgents,its not legal deportation of illegal southern border crossers its rascism,its not an invasion of an Islamic nation its a war on terrorism to protect us,those arent spy or survielance cameras those are security cameras,its not a total economic melt down its just a really long recession, you are not losing your freedoms you are gaining security,you are not an slave you are a servant, water boarding is ok
KNIGHTJUMPS 2 years ago
whats a sere instructor or a seal know about that?
vmpslr2 2 years ago
@vmpslr2 SERE training, just like any other high-level training, is monitored and tailored to fit the personnel tasked with completing it. In other words, they may be training a platoon of Rangers or a single, deep-cover counter intelligence operative. During the resistance phase, different means of interrogation are used for different prisoners. You would not interview a PFC in the same manner you would a high-level operator or operative. Not many countries are that amateur any more.
- J
variabl3 1 year ago
thank you for sharing this powerhouse Ella. fantastic find. faved.
cv1122 2 years ago
This is a really hard hitting essay. I appreciate you sharing it.
theCharmingDeviant 2 years ago
Lets not forget that we executed Japanese for waterboarding our US military captives in WWII.
polidic 2 years ago 5
Let's not forget we let Japanese Unit 731 go unnoticed. America was bought off by the information provided by the horrible physical and mental experiments the Japanese did to the Chinese as well as US POW's. Money talks, not humanity.
admiralcrash1 2 years ago 5
I hear ya... There is a lot wrong today that needs to be fixed.
polidic 2 years ago
ANd let's not forget how kind we were to Japanese Americans on our soil by putting 100,000 into internment camps for the duration of the war because of their heritage and appearance.
cowboycarl04 2 years ago
Thanks for the series, I sent them out. A lot of controversy on these issues. I appreciate this information.
ApocalypticFervor 2 years ago 3