God knows the heart and if a person is truly sincere and repented, God says in the bible that he wont turn away from a truly repented soul.
Come on you know 100% of the people have broken the law whether it being for speeding or something else but the only difference is that God knows when you brake the law every single time.
You say He is impossibly strict for not making a law to your convenience.He is gracious enough to allow an opportunity for you to be saved by accepting Jesus in your life
Anyone who is smarter than a 5th grader(!) would agree that islam as a religion in general is barbaric, no rights for non-muslims, no rights for women, no rights for muslims if they want to give up their relgion etc., but it is pretty much the same way christianity was about 5, 600 years ago. It might just be a coincendence that islam was founded around 600 years after christianity, but that is something to think about.
Please- elaborate on our "lack of science on how they became". I'm all ears. Be sure to cite your sources.Now- Prophecies, huh? Isiah 17:1-Damascus is still inhabited by millions- FAILED prophecy. Isaih 52:1- there are people living in Israel who are uncircumcised, right NOW. FAIL. EZ:29 10-11 NEVER has Egypt in it's long histore been uninhabited. Matt26: 64- The high priest id LOOOONG dead, and still jesus has not returned. Shall I continue? Go ahead, CHECK MY SOURCES! Isn't this FUN???
Find me a verse in the bible where it says Christians or followers of Christ, kill the non believers. God had a plan for the Jews in the old testament, all the nations hated the Jews and they wanted to destroy them so they had to rise up and protect themselves, thats the reason there are still Jews right know.
@YourWrong951 People of the old testament were commanded to kill on sight anyone they encountered who did not fear god, it also says in revelation to hurt those without the seal of god ( of course this is after the "rapture" starts ) the new testament boasts of how god will eradicate and "punish" ( eternal damnation and hellfire) them. tell me, why did god change his mind? if he is omniscient and also benevolent plus perfect in all ways then why does he have to rectify his own mistakes?
If you consider revelation the entire new testament than the whole new testament talks about Gods judgement, if you read the entire new testament it speaks about salvation and also about future events.God is going to punish sin and its up to us to decide if we want to be living in something God is going to punish.
Everything God has made is perfect, in not giving us a free will would make us robots, Us deciding to separate ourselves from God was our choice, He still is perfect.
God is omniscient, Example- if you watch a recording of an old basketball game of kobe making a buzzer beater and you know the conclusion it still doesnt take away the effort it took to make that shot, all the practice and commitment it took to lead to that shot. Even though God knows whats going to happen it doesnt take away the power u have to decide to make Jesus your savior, He wants to help you and He will and at the very end it was your decision.
@YourWrong951 so by your logic God created adam and eve knowing full well that they would "fall" and cast all of humanity into sin thus separating us from God so that God could "save" us in the end. Thats like starting a fire so that you can save people from that fire... Whats with God and his fucked up affinity for glory? hahahaha
If u fully understand God than God wouldnt be God,no one knows how big the universe is but yet u want answers on the One who created the universe in order to believe, poor excuse for not believing, God left u many things for u to believe and even if your question was answered how you wanted to get answered you will still not believe because it goes beyond the questions you want answered.
@YourWrong951 isnt that just the perfect cop-out, "you cant understand god because he's incomprehensible" i understand that there are things that might never be understood, but to claim that god exists in any form requires massive amounts of substantial evidence. extraordinary claims call for extraordinary evidence, and thus far there has been no such evidence, only more and more claims.
Now i know you believe in the atheist god or gods of worshiping yourselves, so tell me about the great faith you have on science and the evidence they have for life.Maybe no one knows about the mysteries of God but he did leave enough evidence for you to understand that there is a God. Doesnt life today coincides with the bible, just take the 6 or 7 billion people and trace it back to the first humans, it would be thousands of years, not millions.
@YourWrong951 The evidence "THEY" have? I thought you were a scientist, sis. I thought you were "them". Lying to prop your argument is academic dishonesty. You insult those of us who have actually EARNED that title. The fact that your composition is so rife with error is enough to reveal your assertion to being a degreed biologist as being a lie. You mentioned that the bible itself is full of "evidence"; I challenge you to post that "evidence". Let's play!
Prophecies my friend and they are found all over the bible, most have already been fulfilled but many are yet to come and you could see the puzzle pieces coming together.
People on there own dont have the power to predict the future, it takes divine power for prophecies to be fulfilled with such accuracy that the bible gives us.
See, u study organisms that are present but the lack of science on how they became and survived just shows the evidence of God.
@YourWrong951 then i encourage you to put your faith to the test and research all the evidence, and i urge you with the utmost respect for your beliefs to actually read the bible, cover to cover, sit down and solidify your understanding of that which you profess to be true. i was raised from birth to be christian yet only started questioning myself and that which others told me was true in the last few months. its amazing how far true curiousity and the pursuit of the truth can take you.
I need to read 5 more books to finish the bible.There is so many things God has done in my life once i committed and i mean miracles, for me to hear people questioning the word of God is just a shame. Consecration today is different than before, when you decide to leave the pleasures of this world behind thats when God really starts dealing with you, today most christians want to fallow God but not leave the world, thats why there is no power in thats when they start questioning
@YourWrong951 preaching to an atheist is very useless but im glad to hear that life has been good to you. but ask yourself honestly "is this god's doing, or my own?" i know what you're going to think right off the bat, but i implore you to delve deeper into your own thought process and really examine yourself.
Not wanting to believe in God is a concentrated denial of God, deep inside yourself you know theirs a God, Its in our d.n.a.
Research your gods ( scientist ) who many of them have to go out of there way to deny God, the radical theories they have about the existence of life are mathematical impossible but yet it doesnt matter just as long Jesus is not in the picture.
@YourWrong951 Not wanting? How about not ABLE to. as in, "I am unable to believe in god". You posted comments elsewhere asserting that you are a biologist, yet you refer to DNA as "d.n.a.". You are most certainly NOT a degreed biologist. You know that; you know also that I'm right in asserting that you told a blatant LIE. Busted. Go pay penance for your sin, sissy. You're busted.
@YourWrong951 Is it not true that the only difference between the old and the new testiment is the "sacrifice" part, i.e people don't need to sacrifice animals (or people) anymore since jesus was the "ultimate" sacrifice? If that is the case then shouldn't all the other laws that are in the old testiment still apply today?
Jesus said to obey His teachings and whosoever rejects His teachings will be judge by the law.If you fallow Jesus than your under the new covenant (Jesus teachings) and if your also fallowing Jesus teachings than your also fallowing the ten commandments.
Jesus saved that adulterous women from being stoned and under the law(Mosaic law) it was a punishment by stoning. Jesus fulfilled the law for us (His followers) so when that time comes we will be without a blemish
@YourWrong951 couple of things, first there are 613 commandments, not just 10. Second what about verses Matthew 5:17-20? Mark 7:9-10? Here jesus clearly wants people to follow the old law. So this gives justification for the chrisitans to use things in the old testement, which means they can kill the idolaters, people of other faiths etc., (as it says in deuteronomy and other chapters). Then ofcourse they can just say oh sorry jesus and they are good to go, or as you put it without blemish.
Mathew, Jesus speaks about fulfilling the law, and in Mark Jesus is speaking to the Pharisees about the law to show them they are hypocrites.
In Mathew Jesus is explaining how impossible it is to fallow the law,not because the law is not perfect but because we are so weak, remember if you break one of the commandments of the law than the law will condemn you thats why Jesus came to fulfill it,the way we will exceed the righteousness of the Pharisees is to commit to Jesus.
The 10 commandments are the universal moral laws of God.
The Mosaic law was for the Israelis, remember they were really not established at a certain land they escaped the corrupt laws of the Egyptians and to keep order for such a large number of people God give these laws to Moses for his people to keep and not break.
Through time it was impossible for the Israelis to keep the law because how great sin was and thats when Jesus came and open the doors for salvation through Him.
@YourWrong951 "Jesus...fulfilling the law" meaning he is the sacrifice, that doesn't mean the old testement is irrelevent. Which means what is says about killing non-believers is also very relevent, making it no different than quran. As a matter of fact, you now even have a "get out of jail free card" thank to jesus. You can do anything you want and all you have to do is accept jesus and once again be "without blemish". BTW how stupid (or cruel) of god to give a law that is impossible to follow.
Get out of jail card?no.God will discipline His children (followers) when they sin. Just because a person says he is a Christian doesnt mean he is one, a Christian is seen by his actions and a person who just sins because he thinks he is already forgiven never had Jesus in his life but a delusion.
If you follow the law and not break it you would be perfect, thats what God wants you to be.We should hang the government for these stupid laws, were only being punished by them,uh no
@YourWrong951 1. "God will discipline His children" How so? If I commit mass murder today, but then I confess and accept jesus, will I or won't I go to heaven?
2. A chrisitan can use the bible, just as easily as the muslims using the quran to commit murder or acts of terrorism. In fact they used the bible to justify genocide and slavery just a few centuries ago. So in that sense, there isn't a huge difference between the two religions.
3. I am not getting your point about the government.
1.I dont know if He will forgive you He is the the only one who knows your heart,Whats impossible for you is possible for Him, when He was being crucified He said forgive them for they dont know what they do,the very ones crucifying Jesus had a chance to repent and be saved.
2.The day a Christian starts murdering people thats the day he stops being a Christian, Jesus taught to turn the other cheek, were not living in the days of eye for an eye but the days of grace.
1.I dont know if He will forgive you He is the the only one who knows your heart,Whats impossible for you is possible for Him, when He was being crucified He said forgive them for they dont know what they do,the very ones crucifying Jesus had a chance to repent and be saved.
2.The day a Christian starts murdering people thats the day he stops being a Christian, Jesus taught to turn the other cheek, were not living in the days of eye for an eye but the days of grace.
3.The government establishes laws to be obeyed and if there not being obeyed than there is going to be a punishment to correct that certain person which makes since to keep order in the community and i think you would agree with that.
Your criticizing God for having a strict law for the benefit of the people,He new those laws were going to be broken and by His grace He permitted the shedding of animal blood for the forgiveness of the people who still had to repent just like today.
@YourWrong951 1 and 2. "christian starts murdering...stops being christian", sure, but then he can repent and become a christian again though correct, if god doesn't forgive him, then what is the point of jesus? what is the point of confessions etc.,
3. If a govenment makes a law that is impossible to follow then that government is either idiotic or barbaric. Same goes with god. I am not criticizing god for being strict, I am critizing him for being impossibly (in your own words) strict.
@tallliza right from the womb a child is savagely selfish. Wants attention, specific food, toys, others' possessions. If not given to them they rage, and if not for their helplessness their rage would be murderous. This is proof of sin nature.
@tallliza on your comment from 4 days ago, you made the claim that my son doesnt know that hes wrong. Can you prove that a child knows or doesnt know right and wrong?
@tallliza God set nature in order, and by our rebellion, the order is unbalanced, causing awkward weather and quakes. He gave us the choice, and also has allowed us to live with the consequences of our choices.
@tallliza God does not step in and change anything due to that knowledge. There is still an option to choose, and when it is time for judgment, even though he wants a relationship with the unbeliever, he will give them what theyve wanted: separation
@tovadaq So you think ALL OF CHRISTIANITY needs to be eliminated, or in your words, "de-legitimised"? What of those people who want to believe in Christianity who are not in office? You are guilty of the same thing you are accusing others of. Anyone can believe whatever they want, whether in office or not. In someone in office does not believe in the Christian God, that is their choice. That's fine. If they do, you think it's wrong. You are the one in the wrong
@tovadaq this may be true for some, but whoever says this does not understand the truth of God. God has given us free will to either choose Him or not choose Him, and if He is not chosen, it is because they do not want Him, and so in the end He will give them what they want and eternally allow them to be separated from Him. here in america, anyone can choose to believe whatever they want, but essentially no 1 view should be favored, including evolution and big bang in education.
@MrPs103 Those who believe in an omniscient god ,have NO free will. Once the outcome of our actions is known beorehand, we are just puppets. If it were possible to deviate from god`s vision , or were able to force another outcome as the one foreseen by god, than this god is no longer omniscient. Only theologians( the art of word-smithing) can find a way around this.
You can't successfully criticize Christian beliefs by misrepresenting them in a straw man attack. So let me correct you.
God doesn't send His (your inference) "children" to hell. God ALLOWS those who are NOT His children to go there on their own volition. But He offers ALL PEOPLE the free gift of adoption as his children, with eternal life, if they choose to accept it. This is quite different from your portrayal.
Also, the Koran diametrically opposes the bible on many key points.
@UncleIrv --God ALLOWS those who are NOT His children to go there on their own volition. What loving father om earth would do that, allow his children to wander to their destruction, when he can easily prevent it?? There is NO LOVING god. Period.
@UncleIrv Don`t you have free will because because your goverment imposes a lot of restrictions ? What has free will to do with the protection or not of the innocent ? I do not choose to deny god. That`s your biased imagination. I find no evidence for a deity. Period.
Your comments are incoherent. You are also changing the subject.
Don't try to squirm out of it. It's very clear what you said. You claimed that the fact that we have a free will to either accept God or reject Him is evidence that "There is no loving God"---your words.
I pointed out the illogicality of your argument. Now you're attempting to equivocate.
Are you a person of integrity? There is no shame in simply admitting that your previous argument is more than a bit ironic.
@UncleIrv Your comments are irrelevant and besides the point. Show me how you can believe in an almighty , loving, caring god. yet when 100.000 INNOCENT children are dying he looks the other way.
@stephjh2006 That`s again totally besides the point ? How can you talk about and defend the idea of a loving, compassionate, caring, just god, who lets the INNOCENT suffer. Why create lifes, let them be loved by their families and then cut them down before adulthood ? Can there be any loving purpose behind this ?
@tallliza If there is good, you are assuming there is evil. if you do not have any bad in your life then you also will know no good. you might benefit from looking into more of ravi zacharius's videos or looking up c.s. lewis's the problem of pain. the answers are really obvious when you take the time to research them. suffering is part of the human condition, the bible says we will suffer and no christian is claiming that suffering isn't part of the deal
@suddenlysarah I have enough of this theological bullshit. Does god have the elements under his control, yes or no ? Is god omnipotent ? Is your god loving, caring, compassionate ? Yes or no !!Then why do innnocent children have to suffer. A loving caring compassionate earthly father would not allow that to happen.
@tallliza it's not theological b.s., it's your answer. would you ask a question about astrology to an astrology student and then respond to his answer with "i have enough of this astrological b.s."? If you aren't willing to accept the truth then you aren't looking for an answer at all. you must do the research to find the answers and when you find god life becomes so much easier. without suffering there would be no pleasure. every evaluative has a positive and a negative side to it.
"But pain insists upon being attended to. God whispers to us in our pleasures, speaks in our conscience, but shouts in our pains: it is His megaphone to rouse a deaf world." --C.S. Lewis from The Problem of Pain
@suddenlysarah That`s very romantic, but like " Snowwhite and the 7 Dwarfs " it has nothing to do with reality. If god shouts throug pain, this loving god has a lot of shouting to do. So to rouse a deaf world, 100 000 innocent kids have to preish. What a loving father !! Give me a reasonable answer, why god would allow 100.000 lifes to be created, and loved by their families, to cut them down before reaching adulthood ?
@tallliza in this comment, you are making an assumption that God pulls His hand away and allows for the 100,000 to perish. do you not know that we have been given free will? to choose Him, or to not choose Him? to sin, or to not sin? when man has been given free will, and has opportunity to do as he pleases, then if he feels the 100,000 should perish, God will not take away that free will which He had set in order, until the end of time.
@MrPs103 What the hell has "free will" to do with earthquakes, or any natural desastre ? So, 100.000 innocent children in Haiti have to perish, because we have free will ? Do you have all your marbles man ? Besides, you believe in " free will " or you believe in an" omniscient god" . You can`t have them both. Once the outcome of our actions is known beforehand, we are just puppets.
@suddenlysarah I ask you clear questions, but you prefer to hide behind theological blablabla. Because if you answer my questions you must conclude, that there can be no loving, caring, compassionate, just,almighty god . Unless his caring and loving is totally different and has no human aspect. If this god does not have the elements under his control, why are Christians praying for rain, why are the praying for the sick, for pregnancies, whatever ?
@suddenlysarah--- without suffering there would be no pleasure. --- What an immature uneducated statement. Thus you can`t enjoy the summer without remembering the Winter, How silly. You are indeed bleating theological bullshit.
@tallliza good and bad are evaluative statements. when you place value on something there is a negative and a positive almost always, and if you do not accept that fact then you must atleast acknowledge that there is an opposite to each evaluative. suffering is the opposite evaluative of pleasure. if you want to argue language we can go on like this for day, but the fact remains that you are the one taking the meaning out of words and then trying to acuse me of the b.s.
@suddenlysarah Well, all I can do is wish you a lot of pain and suffering, so that you can enjoy a lot of happiness. You have carefully tiptoed around the question of... the suffering of the innocent.... because you have no answer.
@tallliza honestly, and in love, cursing will not improve your statement, or encourage someone to believe your statement. i ask for the sake of any truthful points you may make and for the sake of the people who will read your comments, please show consideration and love in your statements. with that out of the way, i agree that without pain, pleasure would only be the norm, and it would not be special anymore.
@tallliza you assume we are innocent. i don't know you personally, so i don't know if you've ever had a child, but have you ever seen, that even so very little time passes after the child leaves the womb that they become compulsive and entirely selfish? my son had not been on the earth for 2 years yet before he told his first lie in english! sin is integral to us, so no one is innocent. also you are using morals for your statement, saying this is bad, but denying the reason for moral law.
@MrPs103 Your assumption is wrong. I do not assume that we are innocent. I assume that children under the age of discerment are innocent.. Your son of 2 years old, does not know what he is doing and he is innocent. That`s why the law does not convict children. Your comment is dumb and goes against the universal definition of guilt or innocence. Show me ONE instance where children are considered guilty.!! What moral law are you referring to? In what book is this moral law written down. ?
Religion is not the voice of God. "Man" created religion and it was his perspective that has directed religion and its tenents. If we all followed the "golden rule" ..."do unto others as you would have others do unto you" we would all be much more understanding and generous with one another...much less "judgemental".
I am a Muslim&I think your relationship between you& your God isn't anyone's business. Seriously if you follow Islam Christianity Hinduism,Judaism or nothing it's no ones business. Lately these so called 'leaders' have been teaching the wrong things from religions! Oh God said this God said that when honestly they are the ones that are making it up I live my life as a Muslim& yes it isn't easy but who said life in general was&I respect others believes. Treat others the way you want to be treated
@saammaahh He never said that it was necessary. He is saying that you should be free to either have one or to not. And if you do have one, you should be free to change it when you wish.
The persons who are lying are Muslims. They say there is no compulsion in religion, but they don't tell you that verse has been ABROGATED, meaning null and void, in Islam.
@lisssmike true...Why didn't God or Allah write it correctly the first time? If he was all knowing and seeing he would have not brought down verses that he later had to change.
[Jer. 19:7]Lord said, "I will cause them2eat da flesh of their sons& the flesh of their daughters,&they shall eat every one the flesh of his friend.[Lev. 26:14] If you will noyt hearken to me21 I will bring a sword upon you29 you shall eat flesh of your sons & daughters.[Lam. 2:20] Look O Lord, and see! With whom you have done that: Should women eat their fruit and children of a span long??[Lam. 4:10] the hands of the compassionate women have boiled their own children they became their food.
I am not accountable to jesus because I don't see in the bible that jesus asked his followers to worship him not he claims to be God, So my response is that I don't have to answer to jesus and he can't hold me accoutable of something he never asks. if jesus never asked me to worship him then why you guys asking us to worship him, give me a textual reference from the bible that tells me " I am your God and worship me" !!
@mehadal John 3:16-21 and John 20:26-29.The exact statement you are looking for is not word for word in the bible. But the evidence is considerable regarding the number of times he is worshiped in the same way only reserved for God and he never rebukes those that do so. God Bless
@Pist0l1 "No one takes [my life] from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father." John 10:18
The peoples in this place were worshiping 'molek', a false god and burning their children in fires to this false god. Remember, The LORD thy GOD is a Holy and Righteous God and will pass judgement on all who don't repent!
aftazita - you take passages out of context and don't understand them.
[Lk. 19:27] jesus said "for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them before me.[Lk. 14:26] if anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children, and brothers and sisters yes even his own life: he cannot be my disciple. Said Jesus!Moses said, Have you save all the women alive? Now kill every male among the little ones & kill all the girls who have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
Lk 19:27 is the end of a parable. When Jesus comes back in the end times all enimes of God Will be judged. Lk 14:26 Jesus is telling all those that are following Him that they and their families might be persicuted for following Him. He helps them understand the cost of following Him. You are taking these passages out of context. You lack understanding or are against the truth.
[Mat. 10:34] Jesus said, Do not think I have come2make peace on earth?I have cum not2bring peace but a sword.For I have cum2set a man againts his father&daughter against her mother.I came to cast fire upon the earth, and would that it were already kindleddo you think I have come to give peace on earth? No, I tell you, but rather division: in1house ther ll b5divided,3against2, 2against3they ll b divided, father against son,son against father, mother against daughter,daughter against mother."
Deuteronomy 20:10 When thou comest nigh unto a city2 fight against it, then proclaim peace unto it. And if it will make no peace with thee, but will make war against thee, then thou shalt besiege it: And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword. But the women,& the little ones, and the cattle&all that is in the city, [even] all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself;& thou shalt eat spoil of thine enemies,
[Ezek. 9:5] and the Lord said, Go through the city and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have you pity. Slay utterly old and young, both maids and little children, and women.[Num. 31:1] and the Lord said unto Moses, Avenge the children of Mid-an-nitesthey warred against the Mid-an-nites, as the Lord commanded Moses, and they slay all the males.
And they took all women as captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks,& all their goods.
Kamaji, there is no fundamental difference between sunni or shia from a quranic basis. And before u respond, find out out what fundamental means. The difference between these two is just on leadership after the prophet, so not any fundamental aspect of islam.
Natsala, you are only proving my point further. Just as wecant consider hitler a representative of christianity only because he considers himself a catholic, similarly, you cant judge islam, by looking at a muslim, good or bad. You hv to look at the divine scripture that defines that religion, islam or anything else.
Hitler hated Christianity for its Jewish root.and he admired Islam for the similarity of hatred towards Jews...i guess evil attracts evil..he even had his own Mufti....Hitlers Mufti....
Xerome, your comments are full of ignorance, make a useful argument please. The question posed is on islam, not islamic countries or mere muslims, hv u even watched the video?
Freedom to disbelieve? I was born in the US. I have lived here all my life. My father fought for our freedom half a century ago, my grandfather before him in WWI, my ancesters fought for that freedom in the Civil War, War of 1812 and in the American Revolution. Yet just a few years ago I was arrested for not singing God Bless America at an air show in New England. Officially I was charged with disorderly conduct. I was told it was disorderly of me not to say the words "God Bless America."
For your info, this was NOT a private venue. It took place at a United States Air Base. It was hosted by the Air National Guard of the United States. I paid admission. All the aircraft and personel were paid for with tax money which I contributed to. I also never said I was an atheist. What I said is that I simply did not sing the song. I have the legal, moral and ethical right not to participate in a religious activity. And I was not disorderly, I simply stood still and silent.
As it happens I have very deep, personal beliefs including a strict prohibition of public prayer. Matthew 6:6, "But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly." Publicly requesting God's blessings, even in the form of song, is contrary to the word of Jesus. Demanding such a blessing is blasphemy. I was arrested for refusing to sin.
I also won my case in federal court. How dare you acuse me of being atheist? You automatically assume that because my religious beliefs happend to be a little different than yours that I must therefore be an atheist. This is why we have the first Amendment. Every person believes that their religion is the only correct one. Our founding fathers in their wisdom wished to protect citizens from enforced religious beliefs. Enforced belief is NEVER true belief.
Obviously you did not bother to take the time to read my post or you would know it was US government property on which the United States constitution is in full force. This was not a private party. This was at a military base which was open to the public for the air show. As for case number, I decline your request, as the case file includes my legal name, address and phone number, however, I may reconsider if you first post here your personal information.
u won ur case in federal court bcos u had the freedom to question and stand wat u believe, this is the freedom hes talking about which the Islamic countries don't have.
The difference between you and I is that you believe that people who do not believe as you are bad. I do not. So I have a message for you, from the very begining of the history of this country, we have had a pluralistic society. My ancestors included both puritans and the quakers they executed for being quakers. They were but two of HUNDREDS of denominations and religions believed and practiced. Open your eyes, yours is NOT the only valid belief.
... and renders the purifying dues; and [truly pious are] they who keep their promises whenever they promise, and are patient in misfortune and hardship and in time of peril: it is they that have proved themselves true, and it is they, they who are conscious of God.
... and spends his substance - however much he himself may cherish - it - upon his near of kin, and the orphans, and the needy, and the wayfarer, and the beggars, and for the freeing of human beings from bondage; and is constant in prayer, and...
... and spends his substance - however much he himself may cherish - it - upon his near of kin, and the orphans, and the needy, and the wayfarer, and the beggars, and for the freeing of human beings from bondage; and is constant in prayer, and...
The Quranic standard of salvation is provided by chater 2:177 :
True piety does not consist in turning your faces towards the east or the west - but truly pious is he who believes in God, and the Last Day; and the angels, and revelation, and the prophets; and spends his substance...
If u believe in God, that you cannot ignore what may be be a message from God. Coz u hv to ask urself what if it is from God? Can u , as a believer, afford to ignore what may be another message from God?
I will not argue that the bible or torah are now lost since the surviving texts are narrations or translations of the original and not the original itself, since i am no expert in this matter. But i will instead urge that you read the Quran yourself and gv it a sincere attempt before u reject it.
If you base the Bible's truth on its prophecies, then you cannot ignore the prophecies, and the scientific details (which could not hv been known at the time of Muhammad), by which the Quran proves itself as God's word. The Quran does not disclaim the Bible or the Torah.
So moving on, you will understand that there can be no salvation except that which God grants. If you dont believ in afterlife, then salvation will not make sense to u. Since afterlife is a universal truth (whethr u believ in it or not), so are the standards of achieving salvation, and this universal standard is what God, in the Quran, provides.
The Truth in the Quran is the Quran itself, the word of God himself, and not a narration of his message. The word of God, the creator of knowledge, is therefore knowledge most pure and true. So if you move on from this, you can understand that there can be no salvation except that which God grants.
Aburningpromise, so we are both saying the same thing. Ofcourse i dont believe hitler was christian, nomore than i believe Osama (if he exists) is a muslim. What defines christianity is the bible, and therefore u hv to afford Islam the same respect, and use the Quran to judge it.
Aburningpromise, i am not blaming christianity for hitler, please read all my comments in order. My point is (and this is my third time explaining this to a third person) that you cant judge Islam by usibg the worst supposed muslim, just like christians wpnt like anyone using hitler to judge christianity since he was a professed christian.
So granted that God exists, we hv to consider every claim on behalf of God (judaism, christianity, islam, hinduism, buddhism), incase we miss what God wants to say to us. Ignoring this is equivalent to ignoring God, your creator, your provider, and tge One you will return to. In short, Ignorance.
Will i hv to define ignorance for you now? The context of this discussion should gv u a hint. The Truth is that The God exists as proven by every sincere scientific, philosophical, rational and religious effort to understand the universe and the existence of man.
The Bible and Christianity. Only God knows the future. There is no other book on the planet like the Bible that contains not one, not two, not three, but over 2000 highly specific and detailed predictions (prophesies), proving that it is the one true Word of God. Jesus Christ is the only way to heaven and to a relationship with God.
GodMarley... in response to what u posted further down about Religion =control, etc. You r correct. Jesus Christ (& the Bible) speaks more against religion than any other book... look at the New Testament & what Jesus says to the religious leaders of his time (the Pharisees). He called them whitewashed tombs... men who look good on the outside but are filled w/ dead mens bones. They used religion to oppress people, & Jesus was outraged by their sin! God wants a relationship w/ u, not religion!
I see you're bent on refusing to see the truth and what im trying to get across. It says alot about your tolerance. Please stick to the topic, and read my comments again, you keep missing the point. I hv not made any comparision between Islam and buddhism. You are welcome to your beliefs my friend. But do your research and learn about Islam before judging it. Then only can i take you seriously.
Eventhough Islam clearly forbids compulsion, what is so hard to understand about parents hvin the ryt to protect their kids from what they believe to be something wrong, whether it be buddhism or narcotics? And as a freedom and democracy believer you cannot impose muslim parents on what to believe.
Finally i hv proved already that Islam forbids compulsion in religion (In the Quran and as Ravi says as well) now should i judge christianity through the bible (which created christianity) or am i free to use the worst christian that lived (Hitler) to judge christianity? Obviously i should use the bible, so why cant you do the same for Islam?
Just to be clear, Hitler was not a Christian. He rejected the faith, please research more on your claims before you make them. Yes, he was a Catholic but it is documented in several accounts where he has made atheistic statements. He wasn't a true Christian who believed salvation through Jesus Christ, if he was I'm pretty sure he wouldn't turn out to be the person he became.
I hv already answered ravi's attacks on the apostasy killing misrepresentation. It is not sanctioned by Islam, and the Quran clearly forbids harming apostates unless their apostasy amounts to treason as well and that too only applies when there is a war going on (Quranic references for this was given in earlier posts). Now tell me which democratic nation today does not hv the death penalty for treason?
Islam (therefore God) has said that the Kaabah mosque in mecca is a Holy site, originally constructed by Abraham, and God forbids dis-believers from this mosque (and this one only) in the Quran (9:28). So muslims are non likely to fuss with God for the sake of jews (who hv no interest or business in a muslim holy site). Saudis hv expanded this rule to the entire mecca city for obvious political reasons which allow better management on the original rule for the mosque.
Is that Jeff Foxworthy?
isOneRight 2 months ago
@isOneRight pretty sure it is. He is a devout Christian after all :D
Italianboy225 2 months ago
God knows the heart and if a person is truly sincere and repented, God says in the bible that he wont turn away from a truly repented soul.
Come on you know 100% of the people have broken the law whether it being for speeding or something else but the only difference is that God knows when you brake the law every single time.
You say He is impossibly strict for not making a law to your convenience.He is gracious enough to allow an opportunity for you to be saved by accepting Jesus in your life
YourWrong951 4 months ago
Anyone who is smarter than a 5th grader(!) would agree that islam as a religion in general is barbaric, no rights for non-muslims, no rights for women, no rights for muslims if they want to give up their relgion etc., but it is pretty much the same way christianity was about 5, 600 years ago. It might just be a coincendence that islam was founded around 600 years after christianity, but that is something to think about.
mythcontrolpill 4 months ago
i think i just became smarter than a 5th grader
RomaZeal 5 months ago
Please- elaborate on our "lack of science on how they became". I'm all ears. Be sure to cite your sources.Now- Prophecies, huh? Isiah 17:1-Damascus is still inhabited by millions- FAILED prophecy. Isaih 52:1- there are people living in Israel who are uncircumcised, right NOW. FAIL. EZ:29 10-11 NEVER has Egypt in it's long histore been uninhabited. Matt26: 64- The high priest id LOOOONG dead, and still jesus has not returned. Shall I continue? Go ahead, CHECK MY SOURCES! Isn't this FUN???
homeostasis4me 5 months ago
the bible says to kill non believers, so if i go kill a muslim am i not justified?
Deuteronomy 17: 2-5
2 Chronicles 15:12-13
Deuteronomy 13:13-19
sk8terman246 6 months ago
@sk8terman246
Find me a verse in the bible where it says Christians or followers of Christ, kill the non believers. God had a plan for the Jews in the old testament, all the nations hated the Jews and they wanted to destroy them so they had to rise up and protect themselves, thats the reason there are still Jews right know.
YourWrong951 6 months ago
@YourWrong951 People of the old testament were commanded to kill on sight anyone they encountered who did not fear god, it also says in revelation to hurt those without the seal of god ( of course this is after the "rapture" starts ) the new testament boasts of how god will eradicate and "punish" ( eternal damnation and hellfire) them. tell me, why did god change his mind? if he is omniscient and also benevolent plus perfect in all ways then why does he have to rectify his own mistakes?
sk8terman246 6 months ago
@sk8terman246
If you consider revelation the entire new testament than the whole new testament talks about Gods judgement, if you read the entire new testament it speaks about salvation and also about future events.God is going to punish sin and its up to us to decide if we want to be living in something God is going to punish.
Everything God has made is perfect, in not giving us a free will would make us robots, Us deciding to separate ourselves from God was our choice, He still is perfect.
YourWrong951 5 months ago
@sk8terman246
God is omniscient, Example- if you watch a recording of an old basketball game of kobe making a buzzer beater and you know the conclusion it still doesnt take away the effort it took to make that shot, all the practice and commitment it took to lead to that shot. Even though God knows whats going to happen it doesnt take away the power u have to decide to make Jesus your savior, He wants to help you and He will and at the very end it was your decision.
YourWrong951 5 months ago
@YourWrong951 so by your logic God created adam and eve knowing full well that they would "fall" and cast all of humanity into sin thus separating us from God so that God could "save" us in the end. Thats like starting a fire so that you can save people from that fire... Whats with God and his fucked up affinity for glory? hahahaha
sk8terman246 5 months ago
@sk8terman246
If u fully understand God than God wouldnt be God,no one knows how big the universe is but yet u want answers on the One who created the universe in order to believe, poor excuse for not believing, God left u many things for u to believe and even if your question was answered how you wanted to get answered you will still not believe because it goes beyond the questions you want answered.
YourWrong951 5 months ago
@YourWrong951 isnt that just the perfect cop-out, "you cant understand god because he's incomprehensible" i understand that there are things that might never be understood, but to claim that god exists in any form requires massive amounts of substantial evidence. extraordinary claims call for extraordinary evidence, and thus far there has been no such evidence, only more and more claims.
sk8terman246 5 months ago
@sk8terman246
Now i know you believe in the atheist god or gods of worshiping yourselves, so tell me about the great faith you have on science and the evidence they have for life.Maybe no one knows about the mysteries of God but he did leave enough evidence for you to understand that there is a God. Doesnt life today coincides with the bible, just take the 6 or 7 billion people and trace it back to the first humans, it would be thousands of years, not millions.
YourWrong951 5 months ago
@YourWrong951 The evidence "THEY" have? I thought you were a scientist, sis. I thought you were "them". Lying to prop your argument is academic dishonesty. You insult those of us who have actually EARNED that title. The fact that your composition is so rife with error is enough to reveal your assertion to being a degreed biologist as being a lie. You mentioned that the bible itself is full of "evidence"; I challenge you to post that "evidence". Let's play!
homeostasis4me 5 months ago
@homeostasis4me
Prophecies my friend and they are found all over the bible, most have already been fulfilled but many are yet to come and you could see the puzzle pieces coming together.
People on there own dont have the power to predict the future, it takes divine power for prophecies to be fulfilled with such accuracy that the bible gives us.
See, u study organisms that are present but the lack of science on how they became and survived just shows the evidence of God.
YourWrong951 5 months ago
@sk8terman246
what ever you believe in, doesnt matter what it is, there is more evidence in the bible than anything else and thats just a fact.
YourWrong951 5 months ago
@YourWrong951 then i encourage you to put your faith to the test and research all the evidence, and i urge you with the utmost respect for your beliefs to actually read the bible, cover to cover, sit down and solidify your understanding of that which you profess to be true. i was raised from birth to be christian yet only started questioning myself and that which others told me was true in the last few months. its amazing how far true curiousity and the pursuit of the truth can take you.
sk8terman246 5 months ago
@sk8terman246
I need to read 5 more books to finish the bible.There is so many things God has done in my life once i committed and i mean miracles, for me to hear people questioning the word of God is just a shame. Consecration today is different than before, when you decide to leave the pleasures of this world behind thats when God really starts dealing with you, today most christians want to fallow God but not leave the world, thats why there is no power in thats when they start questioning
YourWrong951 5 months ago
@YourWrong951 preaching to an atheist is very useless but im glad to hear that life has been good to you. but ask yourself honestly "is this god's doing, or my own?" i know what you're going to think right off the bat, but i implore you to delve deeper into your own thought process and really examine yourself.
sk8terman246 5 months ago
@sk8terman246
Totally from God, trust me.
Not wanting to believe in God is a concentrated denial of God, deep inside yourself you know theirs a God, Its in our d.n.a.
Research your gods ( scientist ) who many of them have to go out of there way to deny God, the radical theories they have about the existence of life are mathematical impossible but yet it doesnt matter just as long Jesus is not in the picture.
How sad.
YourWrong951 5 months ago
@YourWrong951 Not wanting? How about not ABLE to. as in, "I am unable to believe in god". You posted comments elsewhere asserting that you are a biologist, yet you refer to DNA as "d.n.a.". You are most certainly NOT a degreed biologist. You know that; you know also that I'm right in asserting that you told a blatant LIE. Busted. Go pay penance for your sin, sissy. You're busted.
homeostasis4me 5 months ago
@sk8terman246 Well put.
homeostasis4me 5 months ago
@YourWrong951 Is it not true that the only difference between the old and the new testiment is the "sacrifice" part, i.e people don't need to sacrifice animals (or people) anymore since jesus was the "ultimate" sacrifice? If that is the case then shouldn't all the other laws that are in the old testiment still apply today?
mythcontrolpill 4 months ago
@mythcontrolpill
Jesus said to obey His teachings and whosoever rejects His teachings will be judge by the law.If you fallow Jesus than your under the new covenant (Jesus teachings) and if your also fallowing Jesus teachings than your also fallowing the ten commandments.
Jesus saved that adulterous women from being stoned and under the law(Mosaic law) it was a punishment by stoning. Jesus fulfilled the law for us (His followers) so when that time comes we will be without a blemish
YourWrong951 4 months ago
@YourWrong951 couple of things, first there are 613 commandments, not just 10. Second what about verses Matthew 5:17-20? Mark 7:9-10? Here jesus clearly wants people to follow the old law. So this gives justification for the chrisitans to use things in the old testement, which means they can kill the idolaters, people of other faiths etc., (as it says in deuteronomy and other chapters). Then ofcourse they can just say oh sorry jesus and they are good to go, or as you put it without blemish.
mythcontrolpill 4 months ago
@mythcontrolpill
Mathew, Jesus speaks about fulfilling the law, and in Mark Jesus is speaking to the Pharisees about the law to show them they are hypocrites.
In Mathew Jesus is explaining how impossible it is to fallow the law,not because the law is not perfect but because we are so weak, remember if you break one of the commandments of the law than the law will condemn you thats why Jesus came to fulfill it,the way we will exceed the righteousness of the Pharisees is to commit to Jesus.
YourWrong951 4 months ago
@mythcontrolpill
The 10 commandments are the universal moral laws of God.
The Mosaic law was for the Israelis, remember they were really not established at a certain land they escaped the corrupt laws of the Egyptians and to keep order for such a large number of people God give these laws to Moses for his people to keep and not break.
Through time it was impossible for the Israelis to keep the law because how great sin was and thats when Jesus came and open the doors for salvation through Him.
YourWrong951 4 months ago
@YourWrong951 "Jesus...fulfilling the law" meaning he is the sacrifice, that doesn't mean the old testement is irrelevent. Which means what is says about killing non-believers is also very relevent, making it no different than quran. As a matter of fact, you now even have a "get out of jail free card" thank to jesus. You can do anything you want and all you have to do is accept jesus and once again be "without blemish". BTW how stupid (or cruel) of god to give a law that is impossible to follow.
mythcontrolpill 4 months ago
@mythcontrolpill
Get out of jail card?no.God will discipline His children (followers) when they sin. Just because a person says he is a Christian doesnt mean he is one, a Christian is seen by his actions and a person who just sins because he thinks he is already forgiven never had Jesus in his life but a delusion.
If you follow the law and not break it you would be perfect, thats what God wants you to be.We should hang the government for these stupid laws, were only being punished by them,uh no
YourWrong951 4 months ago
@YourWrong951 1. "God will discipline His children" How so? If I commit mass murder today, but then I confess and accept jesus, will I or won't I go to heaven?
2. A chrisitan can use the bible, just as easily as the muslims using the quran to commit murder or acts of terrorism. In fact they used the bible to justify genocide and slavery just a few centuries ago. So in that sense, there isn't a huge difference between the two religions.
3. I am not getting your point about the government.
mythcontrolpill 4 months ago
@mythcontrolpill
1.I dont know if He will forgive you He is the the only one who knows your heart,Whats impossible for you is possible for Him, when He was being crucified He said forgive them for they dont know what they do,the very ones crucifying Jesus had a chance to repent and be saved.
2.The day a Christian starts murdering people thats the day he stops being a Christian, Jesus taught to turn the other cheek, were not living in the days of eye for an eye but the days of grace.
YourWrong951 4 months ago
@mythcontrolpill
1.I dont know if He will forgive you He is the the only one who knows your heart,Whats impossible for you is possible for Him, when He was being crucified He said forgive them for they dont know what they do,the very ones crucifying Jesus had a chance to repent and be saved.
2.The day a Christian starts murdering people thats the day he stops being a Christian, Jesus taught to turn the other cheek, were not living in the days of eye for an eye but the days of grace.
YourWrong951 4 months ago
3.The government establishes laws to be obeyed and if there not being obeyed than there is going to be a punishment to correct that certain person which makes since to keep order in the community and i think you would agree with that.
Your criticizing God for having a strict law for the benefit of the people,He new those laws were going to be broken and by His grace He permitted the shedding of animal blood for the forgiveness of the people who still had to repent just like today.
YourWrong951 4 months ago
@YourWrong951 1 and 2. "christian starts murdering...stops being christian", sure, but then he can repent and become a christian again though correct, if god doesn't forgive him, then what is the point of jesus? what is the point of confessions etc.,
3. If a govenment makes a law that is impossible to follow then that government is either idiotic or barbaric. Same goes with god. I am not criticizing god for being strict, I am critizing him for being impossibly (in your own words) strict.
mythcontrolpill 4 months ago
@tallliza right from the womb a child is savagely selfish. Wants attention, specific food, toys, others' possessions. If not given to them they rage, and if not for their helplessness their rage would be murderous. This is proof of sin nature.
MrPs103 7 months ago
@tallliza on your comment from 4 days ago, you made the claim that my son doesnt know that hes wrong. Can you prove that a child knows or doesnt know right and wrong?
MrPs103 7 months ago
@tallliza will you debate instead of throwing labels?
MrPs103 7 months ago
@tallliza God set nature in order, and by our rebellion, the order is unbalanced, causing awkward weather and quakes. He gave us the choice, and also has allowed us to live with the consequences of our choices.
MrPs103 7 months ago
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@MrPs103 Do you have more of this nonsensical bible-school talk ?
tallliza 7 months ago
@tallliza my apologies i didnt know you were talking about the haitian quake with your comment
MrPs103 7 months ago
@tallliza God does not step in and change anything due to that knowledge. There is still an option to choose, and when it is time for judgment, even though he wants a relationship with the unbeliever, he will give them what theyve wanted: separation
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youneekk 7 months ago
Just cause Jeff was on the video, i have a greater respect for him.
Omnipharious 10 months ago
was the first guy in the video- Jeff Foxworthy?
Omnipharious 10 months ago
The campus is not a church.
Anyone can believe whatever they want in the US, except for anyone in office.
They have to believe in the christian God.
this is wrong, and that's why Christianity needs to be "de-legitimised".
tovadaq 10 months ago
@tovadaq So you think ALL OF CHRISTIANITY needs to be eliminated, or in your words, "de-legitimised"? What of those people who want to believe in Christianity who are not in office? You are guilty of the same thing you are accusing others of. Anyone can believe whatever they want, whether in office or not. In someone in office does not believe in the Christian God, that is their choice. That's fine. If they do, you think it's wrong. You are the one in the wrong
nephilimwatcher63 8 months ago
@tovadaq this may be true for some, but whoever says this does not understand the truth of God. God has given us free will to either choose Him or not choose Him, and if He is not chosen, it is because they do not want Him, and so in the end He will give them what they want and eternally allow them to be separated from Him. here in america, anyone can choose to believe whatever they want, but essentially no 1 view should be favored, including evolution and big bang in education.
MrPs103 7 months ago
@MrPs103 Those who believe in an omniscient god ,have NO free will. Once the outcome of our actions is known beorehand, we are just puppets. If it were possible to deviate from god`s vision , or were able to force another outcome as the one foreseen by god, than this god is no longer omniscient. Only theologians( the art of word-smithing) can find a way around this.
tallliza 7 months ago
What did the Kid ask?
soulmage11 11 months ago
Kid at the end: "I like turtles..."
Ratchet25 1 year ago
Why is Jeff Foxworthy moderating for Ravi Zacharias...? lol
ElasticGiraffe 1 year ago 2
Where is this from? I want to see the rest of it!
AGBuir 1 year ago
Amen what Ravi said @5:50, I don't believe in a theocracy either, Men are too wicked and will twist religion selfishly as a bludgeon for power.
Judgement220 1 year ago
How different is a God who sends disbelieving children to hell in comparison with a father who will kill a disbelieving daughter?
How is the Islam he berates not in a time-warp that is from the very scriptures Ravi believes in?
tafxkz 1 year ago
@tafxkz
You can't successfully criticize Christian beliefs by misrepresenting them in a straw man attack. So let me correct you.
God doesn't send His (your inference) "children" to hell. God ALLOWS those who are NOT His children to go there on their own volition. But He offers ALL PEOPLE the free gift of adoption as his children, with eternal life, if they choose to accept it. This is quite different from your portrayal.
Also, the Koran diametrically opposes the bible on many key points.
UncleIrv 1 year ago
@UncleIrv --God ALLOWS those who are NOT His children to go there on their own volition. What loving father om earth would do that, allow his children to wander to their destruction, when he can easily prevent it?? There is NO LOVING god. Period.
tallliza 1 year ago
@tallliza
So you would rather be a ROBOT, pre-programmed to believe in God, without any choice? Would that be meaningful to God?
The irony is that YOU YOURSELF are choosing to deny God's existence---while at the same time condemning God for giving you that choice!
This is the insane stupidity of so much atheism.
UncleIrv 1 year ago
@UncleIrv Don`t you have free will because because your goverment imposes a lot of restrictions ? What has free will to do with the protection or not of the innocent ? I do not choose to deny god. That`s your biased imagination. I find no evidence for a deity. Period.
tallliza 1 year ago
@tallliza
Your comments are incoherent. You are also changing the subject.
Don't try to squirm out of it. It's very clear what you said. You claimed that the fact that we have a free will to either accept God or reject Him is evidence that "There is no loving God"---your words.
I pointed out the illogicality of your argument. Now you're attempting to equivocate.
Are you a person of integrity? There is no shame in simply admitting that your previous argument is more than a bit ironic.
UncleIrv 1 year ago
@UncleIrv Your comments are irrelevant and besides the point. Show me how you can believe in an almighty , loving, caring god. yet when 100.000 INNOCENT children are dying he looks the other way.
tallliza 1 year ago
@tallliza and so do we
stephjh2006 1 year ago
@tallliza So do you believe God should just let all in? Or is there to be a standard? Is there any justification for excluding some?
stephjh2006 1 year ago
@stephjh2006 That`s again totally besides the point ? How can you talk about and defend the idea of a loving, compassionate, caring, just god, who lets the INNOCENT suffer. Why create lifes, let them be loved by their families and then cut them down before adulthood ? Can there be any loving purpose behind this ?
tallliza 1 year ago
@tallliza If there is good, you are assuming there is evil. if you do not have any bad in your life then you also will know no good. you might benefit from looking into more of ravi zacharius's videos or looking up c.s. lewis's the problem of pain. the answers are really obvious when you take the time to research them. suffering is part of the human condition, the bible says we will suffer and no christian is claiming that suffering isn't part of the deal
suddenlysarah 1 year ago
@suddenlysarah I have enough of this theological bullshit. Does god have the elements under his control, yes or no ? Is god omnipotent ? Is your god loving, caring, compassionate ? Yes or no !!Then why do innnocent children have to suffer. A loving caring compassionate earthly father would not allow that to happen.
tallliza 1 year ago
@tallliza it's not theological b.s., it's your answer. would you ask a question about astrology to an astrology student and then respond to his answer with "i have enough of this astrological b.s."? If you aren't willing to accept the truth then you aren't looking for an answer at all. you must do the research to find the answers and when you find god life becomes so much easier. without suffering there would be no pleasure. every evaluative has a positive and a negative side to it.
suddenlysarah 1 year ago
"But pain insists upon being attended to. God whispers to us in our pleasures, speaks in our conscience, but shouts in our pains: it is His megaphone to rouse a deaf world." --C.S. Lewis from The Problem of Pain
suddenlysarah 1 year ago
@suddenlysarah That`s very romantic, but like " Snowwhite and the 7 Dwarfs " it has nothing to do with reality. If god shouts throug pain, this loving god has a lot of shouting to do. So to rouse a deaf world, 100 000 innocent kids have to preish. What a loving father !! Give me a reasonable answer, why god would allow 100.000 lifes to be created, and loved by their families, to cut them down before reaching adulthood ?
tallliza 1 year ago
@tallliza in this comment, you are making an assumption that God pulls His hand away and allows for the 100,000 to perish. do you not know that we have been given free will? to choose Him, or to not choose Him? to sin, or to not sin? when man has been given free will, and has opportunity to do as he pleases, then if he feels the 100,000 should perish, God will not take away that free will which He had set in order, until the end of time.
MrPs103 7 months ago
@MrPs103 What the hell has "free will" to do with earthquakes, or any natural desastre ? So, 100.000 innocent children in Haiti have to perish, because we have free will ? Do you have all your marbles man ? Besides, you believe in " free will " or you believe in an" omniscient god" . You can`t have them both. Once the outcome of our actions is known beforehand, we are just puppets.
tallliza 7 months ago
@suddenlysarah I ask you clear questions, but you prefer to hide behind theological blablabla. Because if you answer my questions you must conclude, that there can be no loving, caring, compassionate, just,almighty god . Unless his caring and loving is totally different and has no human aspect. If this god does not have the elements under his control, why are Christians praying for rain, why are the praying for the sick, for pregnancies, whatever ?
tallliza 1 year ago
@suddenlysarah--- without suffering there would be no pleasure. --- What an immature uneducated statement. Thus you can`t enjoy the summer without remembering the Winter, How silly. You are indeed bleating theological bullshit.
tallliza 1 year ago
@tallliza good and bad are evaluative statements. when you place value on something there is a negative and a positive almost always, and if you do not accept that fact then you must atleast acknowledge that there is an opposite to each evaluative. suffering is the opposite evaluative of pleasure. if you want to argue language we can go on like this for day, but the fact remains that you are the one taking the meaning out of words and then trying to acuse me of the b.s.
suddenlysarah 1 year ago
@suddenlysarah Well, all I can do is wish you a lot of pain and suffering, so that you can enjoy a lot of happiness. You have carefully tiptoed around the question of... the suffering of the innocent.... because you have no answer.
tallliza 1 year ago
@tallliza honestly, and in love, cursing will not improve your statement, or encourage someone to believe your statement. i ask for the sake of any truthful points you may make and for the sake of the people who will read your comments, please show consideration and love in your statements. with that out of the way, i agree that without pain, pleasure would only be the norm, and it would not be special anymore.
MrPs103 7 months ago
@tallliza you assume we are innocent. i don't know you personally, so i don't know if you've ever had a child, but have you ever seen, that even so very little time passes after the child leaves the womb that they become compulsive and entirely selfish? my son had not been on the earth for 2 years yet before he told his first lie in english! sin is integral to us, so no one is innocent. also you are using morals for your statement, saying this is bad, but denying the reason for moral law.
MrPs103 7 months ago
@MrPs103 Your assumption is wrong. I do not assume that we are innocent. I assume that children under the age of discerment are innocent.. Your son of 2 years old, does not know what he is doing and he is innocent. That`s why the law does not convict children. Your comment is dumb and goes against the universal definition of guilt or innocence. Show me ONE instance where children are considered guilty.!! What moral law are you referring to? In what book is this moral law written down. ?
tallliza 7 months ago
The fact of the matter, reality always prevail over assumptions: youtube.com/watch?v=y-wb9Fu25JI
mehadal 1 year ago
gsdg
mehadal 1 year ago
Religion is not the voice of God. "Man" created religion and it was his perspective that has directed religion and its tenents. If we all followed the "golden rule" ..."do unto others as you would have others do unto you" we would all be much more understanding and generous with one another...much less "judgemental".
porchfronthomes 1 year ago
lol jeff foxworthy!!!!
ptpiano600 1 year ago
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Jesus is the ONLY way.
AubreyFire 1 year ago
I am a Muslim&I think your relationship between you& your God isn't anyone's business. Seriously if you follow Islam Christianity Hinduism,Judaism or nothing it's no ones business. Lately these so called 'leaders' have been teaching the wrong things from religions! Oh God said this God said that when honestly they are the ones that are making it up I live my life as a Muslim& yes it isn't easy but who said life in general was&I respect others believes. Treat others the way you want to be treated
MayMoon922010 1 year ago
i don't know what is more outstanding.....ravi zacharias' answer.....or the random appearance of jeff foxworthy lol =)
JJacob23 1 year ago
is that jeff foxworthy?
Trelli28 1 year ago
Woa, is that Jeff Foxworhty?
botwindfish 1 year ago
Oh my, that IS Jeff!
xdairybastardx 1 year ago
google Doe's Account, its mindblowing.
Candypain1 1 year ago
Is that Jeff Foxworthy?
keithbassing 1 year ago
Can this old man tell me WHY it is necessary to have a religion?
saammaahh 1 year ago
Religion is not a must but Christ is?
mutant96 1 year ago 2
@mutant96 Christ is not religion! Christ is a new life and a new understanding!
lisssmike 1 year ago
@saammaahh He never said that it was necessary. He is saying that you should be free to either have one or to not. And if you do have one, you should be free to change it when you wish.
lisssmike 1 year ago
Was that Jeff Foxworthy at the beginning?
sorenkierkegaard2008 2 years ago
@aftazita
You are taking these passages out of context. Just so you know. Jesus is the only to salvation.
krinorik 2 years ago
Why Christian feel they have to lie in order to make a point?
falcon02012 2 years ago
What lie?
krinorik 2 years ago
The persons who are lying are Muslims. They say there is no compulsion in religion, but they don't tell you that verse has been ABROGATED, meaning null and void, in Islam.
So Muslims are lying to you.
00ismaeL001 1 year ago
@00ismaeL001 How can the "word of God" be abrogated? If they claim that its from God, then how can it be voided?
lisssmike 1 year ago
@lisssmike true...Why didn't God or Allah write it correctly the first time? If he was all knowing and seeing he would have not brought down verses that he later had to change.
00ismaeL001 1 year ago
@00ismaeL001 Well thats exactly what i'm saying.
lisssmike 1 year ago
Jeff Foxworthy?
One of the best short answers i'v heard from Ravi, i think he can be comparable to Paul of Tarsus! He is educated and passionate!
GabrielGroverMan 2 years ago
[Jer. 19:7]Lord said, "I will cause them2eat da flesh of their sons& the flesh of their daughters,&they shall eat every one the flesh of his friend.[Lev. 26:14] If you will noyt hearken to me21 I will bring a sword upon you29 you shall eat flesh of your sons & daughters.[Lam. 2:20] Look O Lord, and see! With whom you have done that: Should women eat their fruit and children of a span long??[Lam. 4:10] the hands of the compassionate women have boiled their own children they became their food.
aftazita 2 years ago
Jesus is worthy of our praise
Jesus Alone can Save
Jesus Alone Can Give You Peace
kamajiboy 2 years ago 15
I am not accountable to jesus because I don't see in the bible that jesus asked his followers to worship him not he claims to be God, So my response is that I don't have to answer to jesus and he can't hold me accoutable of something he never asks. if jesus never asked me to worship him then why you guys asking us to worship him, give me a textual reference from the bible that tells me " I am your God and worship me" !!
mehadal 1 year ago
@mehadal John 3:16-21 and John 20:26-29.The exact statement you are looking for is not word for word in the bible. But the evidence is considerable regarding the number of times he is worshiped in the same way only reserved for God and he never rebukes those that do so. God Bless
Draous1 1 year ago
upon ur book and beleif, Jesus couldnt svae him self so how can he save u, u r deluted my friend by accepting this consept
Pist0l1 1 year ago
@Pist0l1 "No one takes [my life] from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father." John 10:18
Owned.
mickdukes 1 year ago
The peoples in this place were worshiping 'molek', a false god and burning their children in fires to this false god. Remember, The LORD thy GOD is a Holy and Righteous God and will pass judgement on all who don't repent!
aftazita - you take passages out of context and don't understand them.
krinorik 2 years ago
[Lk. 19:27] jesus said "for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them before me.[Lk. 14:26] if anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children, and brothers and sisters yes even his own life: he cannot be my disciple. Said Jesus!Moses said, Have you save all the women alive? Now kill every male among the little ones & kill all the girls who have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
aftazita 2 years ago
Lk 19:27 is the end of a parable. When Jesus comes back in the end times all enimes of God Will be judged. Lk 14:26 Jesus is telling all those that are following Him that they and their families might be persicuted for following Him. He helps them understand the cost of following Him. You are taking these passages out of context. You lack understanding or are against the truth.
krinorik 2 years ago
@aftazita ...the dirty begger.....
HOMEnHIGH 1 year ago
[Mat. 10:34] Jesus said, Do not think I have come2make peace on earth?I have cum not2bring peace but a sword.For I have cum2set a man againts his father&daughter against her mother.I came to cast fire upon the earth, and would that it were already kindleddo you think I have come to give peace on earth? No, I tell you, but rather division: in1house ther ll b5divided,3against2, 2against3they ll b divided, father against son,son against father, mother against daughter,daughter against mother."
aftazita 2 years ago
Deuteronomy 20:10 When thou comest nigh unto a city2 fight against it, then proclaim peace unto it. And if it will make no peace with thee, but will make war against thee, then thou shalt besiege it: And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword. But the women,& the little ones, and the cattle&all that is in the city, [even] all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself;& thou shalt eat spoil of thine enemies,
aftazita 2 years ago
[Ezek. 9:5] and the Lord said, Go through the city and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have you pity. Slay utterly old and young, both maids and little children, and women.[Num. 31:1] and the Lord said unto Moses, Avenge the children of Mid-an-nitesthey warred against the Mid-an-nites, as the Lord commanded Moses, and they slay all the males.
And they took all women as captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks,& all their goods.
aftazita 2 years ago
no matter how hard u assholes try,yet islam will conquer the world.amin!
aftazita 2 years ago
So silly this notion of god. If ther is a god, he hides himself well.
Ramshobraja 2 years ago
or we deceive ourselves well
piama18 2 years ago
Jesus is the answer
kamajiboy 2 years ago 14
Yes he is!
piama18 2 years ago
Is that Jeff Foxworthy in the background?
98nafets 2 years ago 2
Kamaji, there is no fundamental difference between sunni or shia from a quranic basis. And before u respond, find out out what fundamental means. The difference between these two is just on leadership after the prophet, so not any fundamental aspect of islam.
UmarRM75 2 years ago
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kamajiboy 2 years ago
Natsala, you are only proving my point further. Just as wecant consider hitler a representative of christianity only because he considers himself a catholic, similarly, you cant judge islam, by looking at a muslim, good or bad. You hv to look at the divine scripture that defines that religion, islam or anything else.
UmarRM75 2 years ago
Hitler hated Christianity for its Jewish root.and he admired Islam for the similarity of hatred towards Jews...i guess evil attracts evil..he even had his own Mufti....Hitlers Mufti....
muhammadsucksmycock1 2 years ago
Xerome, your comments are full of ignorance, make a useful argument please. The question posed is on islam, not islamic countries or mere muslims, hv u even watched the video?
UmarRM75 2 years ago
Freedom to disbelieve? I was born in the US. I have lived here all my life. My father fought for our freedom half a century ago, my grandfather before him in WWI, my ancesters fought for that freedom in the Civil War, War of 1812 and in the American Revolution. Yet just a few years ago I was arrested for not singing God Bless America at an air show in New England. Officially I was charged with disorderly conduct. I was told it was disorderly of me not to say the words "God Bless America."
shatros 2 years ago
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kamajiboy 2 years ago
For your info, this was NOT a private venue. It took place at a United States Air Base. It was hosted by the Air National Guard of the United States. I paid admission. All the aircraft and personel were paid for with tax money which I contributed to. I also never said I was an atheist. What I said is that I simply did not sing the song. I have the legal, moral and ethical right not to participate in a religious activity. And I was not disorderly, I simply stood still and silent.
shatros 2 years ago
As it happens I have very deep, personal beliefs including a strict prohibition of public prayer. Matthew 6:6, "But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly." Publicly requesting God's blessings, even in the form of song, is contrary to the word of Jesus. Demanding such a blessing is blasphemy. I was arrested for refusing to sin.
shatros 2 years ago
I also won my case in federal court. How dare you acuse me of being atheist? You automatically assume that because my religious beliefs happend to be a little different than yours that I must therefore be an atheist. This is why we have the first Amendment. Every person believes that their religion is the only correct one. Our founding fathers in their wisdom wished to protect citizens from enforced religious beliefs. Enforced belief is NEVER true belief.
shatros 2 years ago
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kamajiboy 2 years ago
Obviously you did not bother to take the time to read my post or you would know it was US government property on which the United States constitution is in full force. This was not a private party. This was at a military base which was open to the public for the air show. As for case number, I decline your request, as the case file includes my legal name, address and phone number, however, I may reconsider if you first post here your personal information.
shatros 2 years ago
u won ur case in federal court bcos u had the freedom to question and stand wat u believe, this is the freedom hes talking about which the Islamic countries don't have.
xerome07 2 years ago
yes true, but in a truly free country I would not have needed to go to court in the first place.
shatros 2 years ago 2
The difference between you and I is that you believe that people who do not believe as you are bad. I do not. So I have a message for you, from the very begining of the history of this country, we have had a pluralistic society. My ancestors included both puritans and the quakers they executed for being quakers. They were but two of HUNDREDS of denominations and religions believed and practiced. Open your eyes, yours is NOT the only valid belief.
shatros 2 years ago
This is just a glimpse of what the Quran says about piety as a standard for salvation. Hope you guys see something here and try to read the Quran.
UmarRM75 2 years ago
Jesus Alone Can Save
Jesus Alone Can Give You Peace
kamajiboy 2 years ago 2
... and renders the purifying dues; and [truly pious are] they who keep their promises whenever they promise, and are patient in misfortune and hardship and in time of peril: it is they that have proved themselves true, and it is they, they who are conscious of God.
UmarRM75 2 years ago
Jesus is God manifest in the flesh
kamajiboy 2 years ago
... and spends his substance - however much he himself may cherish - it - upon his near of kin, and the orphans, and the needy, and the wayfarer, and the beggars, and for the freeing of human beings from bondage; and is constant in prayer, and...
UmarRM75 2 years ago
... and spends his substance - however much he himself may cherish - it - upon his near of kin, and the orphans, and the needy, and the wayfarer, and the beggars, and for the freeing of human beings from bondage; and is constant in prayer, and...
UmarRM75 2 years ago
The Quranic standard of salvation is provided by chater 2:177 :
True piety does not consist in turning your faces towards the east or the west - but truly pious is he who believes in God, and the Last Day; and the angels, and revelation, and the prophets; and spends his substance...
UmarRM75 2 years ago
If u believe in God, that you cannot ignore what may be be a message from God. Coz u hv to ask urself what if it is from God? Can u , as a believer, afford to ignore what may be another message from God?
UmarRM75 2 years ago
I will not argue that the bible or torah are now lost since the surviving texts are narrations or translations of the original and not the original itself, since i am no expert in this matter. But i will instead urge that you read the Quran yourself and gv it a sincere attempt before u reject it.
UmarRM75 2 years ago
If you base the Bible's truth on its prophecies, then you cannot ignore the prophecies, and the scientific details (which could not hv been known at the time of Muhammad), by which the Quran proves itself as God's word. The Quran does not disclaim the Bible or the Torah.
UmarRM75 2 years ago
So moving on, you will understand that there can be no salvation except that which God grants. If you dont believ in afterlife, then salvation will not make sense to u. Since afterlife is a universal truth (whethr u believ in it or not), so are the standards of achieving salvation, and this universal standard is what God, in the Quran, provides.
UmarRM75 2 years ago
The Truth in the Quran is the Quran itself, the word of God himself, and not a narration of his message. The word of God, the creator of knowledge, is therefore knowledge most pure and true. So if you move on from this, you can understand that there can be no salvation except that which God grants.
UmarRM75 2 years ago
Aburningpromise, so we are both saying the same thing. Ofcourse i dont believe hitler was christian, nomore than i believe Osama (if he exists) is a muslim. What defines christianity is the bible, and therefore u hv to afford Islam the same respect, and use the Quran to judge it.
UmarRM75 2 years ago
Aburningpromise, i am not blaming christianity for hitler, please read all my comments in order. My point is (and this is my third time explaining this to a third person) that you cant judge Islam by usibg the worst supposed muslim, just like christians wpnt like anyone using hitler to judge christianity since he was a professed christian.
UmarRM75 2 years ago
So granted that God exists, we hv to consider every claim on behalf of God (judaism, christianity, islam, hinduism, buddhism), incase we miss what God wants to say to us. Ignoring this is equivalent to ignoring God, your creator, your provider, and tge One you will return to. In short, Ignorance.
UmarRM75 2 years ago
Will i hv to define ignorance for you now? The context of this discussion should gv u a hint. The Truth is that The God exists as proven by every sincere scientific, philosophical, rational and religious effort to understand the universe and the existence of man.
UmarRM75 2 years ago
Marley, try this one:
Allah = Quran = Islam = Truth = Knowledge = Deliverence from Ignorance = Hope = Purpose = Salvation = Allah the only Saviour
Islam is not a religion, its The Truth from The God. You sure you want to ignore and deny your creator who is also your daily provider?
UmarRM75 2 years ago
Please do include what the truth or knowledge is needed written in the Quran, that is essential for salvation?
I think it would be helpful in understanding this equation.
aburningpromise 2 years ago
With religion is the one true religion?
GodMarley666 2 years ago
The Bible and Christianity. Only God knows the future. There is no other book on the planet like the Bible that contains not one, not two, not three, but over 2000 highly specific and detailed predictions (prophesies), proving that it is the one true Word of God. Jesus Christ is the only way to heaven and to a relationship with God.
azgirl777 2 years ago
Religion = Control = Content for Ignorance = unaware of Ignorance = Religion
GodMarley666 2 years ago
What is this equation mean? What factor does ignorance represent? Ignorance of what? Otherwise, this equation makes no sense to me. Care to explain?
aburningpromise 2 years ago
GodMarley... in response to what u posted further down about Religion =control, etc. You r correct. Jesus Christ (& the Bible) speaks more against religion than any other book... look at the New Testament & what Jesus says to the religious leaders of his time (the Pharisees). He called them whitewashed tombs... men who look good on the outside but are filled w/ dead mens bones. They used religion to oppress people, & Jesus was outraged by their sin! God wants a relationship w/ u, not religion!
azgirl777 2 years ago
I see you're bent on refusing to see the truth and what im trying to get across. It says alot about your tolerance. Please stick to the topic, and read my comments again, you keep missing the point. I hv not made any comparision between Islam and buddhism. You are welcome to your beliefs my friend. But do your research and learn about Islam before judging it. Then only can i take you seriously.
UmarRM75 2 years ago
An adult muslim is free to take up buddhism, and if he does so, then Islamic rules dont apply to him anyway, compulsion or no compulsion.
UmarRM75 2 years ago
Eventhough Islam clearly forbids compulsion, what is so hard to understand about parents hvin the ryt to protect their kids from what they believe to be something wrong, whether it be buddhism or narcotics? And as a freedom and democracy believer you cannot impose muslim parents on what to believe.
UmarRM75 2 years ago
who are you to say buddah is wrong?
why are you so close minded about other religions?
islam is no better than hinduisim or budahisim
kamajiboy 2 years ago
Finally i hv proved already that Islam forbids compulsion in religion (In the Quran and as Ravi says as well) now should i judge christianity through the bible (which created christianity) or am i free to use the worst christian that lived (Hitler) to judge christianity? Obviously i should use the bible, so why cant you do the same for Islam?
UmarRM75 2 years ago
Hitler? a Christian? I don't think so. Maybe the meanest human being is more like it. :)
Why would you use a mere human being to make your judgements about all Christians anyway? ( so weird )
aburningpromise 2 years ago
Just to be clear, Hitler was not a Christian. He rejected the faith, please research more on your claims before you make them. Yes, he was a Catholic but it is documented in several accounts where he has made atheistic statements. He wasn't a true Christian who believed salvation through Jesus Christ, if he was I'm pretty sure he wouldn't turn out to be the person he became.
natsala 2 years ago
I hv already answered ravi's attacks on the apostasy killing misrepresentation. It is not sanctioned by Islam, and the Quran clearly forbids harming apostates unless their apostasy amounts to treason as well and that too only applies when there is a war going on (Quranic references for this was given in earlier posts). Now tell me which democratic nation today does not hv the death penalty for treason?
UmarRM75 2 years ago
Islam (therefore God) has said that the Kaabah mosque in mecca is a Holy site, originally constructed by Abraham, and God forbids dis-believers from this mosque (and this one only) in the Quran (9:28). So muslims are non likely to fuss with God for the sake of jews (who hv no interest or business in a muslim holy site). Saudis hv expanded this rule to the entire mecca city for obvious political reasons which allow better management on the original rule for the mosque.
UmarRM75 2 years ago