".... lot of uchi deshi say: "O´sensei in the last time did koshinage with the foot togerther..."
I thing, he did koshinage with foot together, because he was already old)) Uchi deshi do not know how he did koshinage when was younger and stronger)))
Having trained in other styles such as muay thai / muay boran, western boxing, wing chun kung fu, kyokushin karate as well as grappling arts such as bjj, judo, etc I can categorically state for those people that say aikido is ineffective and a soft martial art, they should try Iwama ryu/Yoshinkan/Yoseikan aikido. Just imagine being thrown onto your head by koshinage or kaitenage from a punch in a street setting? These waza can be devastating and deadly, but Ueshiba's way was one of peace.
Aikido, what a beautiful art form. Who cares about effectiveness, if that is what you're after train Kickboxing/ Muay Thai along with Brazilian jiu jitsu. Then go prove how good you are by hurting another human being, see how effective a human being you feel after that.....just not anywhere near me please!
I still remember the first time I tried this I intuitively didn't join my feet. But then with practice I've learnt how to execute it right, and when you do you can easily take on someone double your weight.
In regard of effectivness, aikido have a longer learning curve, and of course if I fail its me, on no way it will be aikido :)
Quasi: What's the one of the first concepts of Aikido? Ai: Harmony. Can you just step out of the way of the attacking energy, let it pass you by, and then just carry on your way? If you think it's about defeating your opponent, you've already lost your Aikido. Unless a "decent pugilist" has me trapped in a corner, I'm just going to walk away and let it pass me by. The moment he starts running after me, he's no longer a boxer... :-)
Aikido is a moving meditation. Don't get lost in the story.
the problem with aikido dreamers is that they think the techniques will work 'most' of the time. reality is that they will only work the majority of the time with normal people with lacking stand-up ie wrestlers or grabbers. this is why aikido is pretty much useless against boxers or other decent pugilists. it isn't meant for quick in&out type of fighters(which is usually most ordinary folks). people need to study and learn what aikido/qinna was meant for. it's not art, just but a segment.
@TinQuasimodo You sir, are quite mistaken. It is not the aikido techniques that will not work against quick in and out figters. It is the people using them. You can not say a martial art is bad or good. And that one martial art is superior to other. It is how they are used and who uses them. In every martial art there is a Ki. Aikido is just one of the many ways to train it and use it in case of need.
@DarkGranit Really? Tell me this...get 100 ordinary folks to train in Aikido for a year and also get 100 ordinary folks to train in boxing for a year. Now get these people into a squabble. Are you honestly telling me that you think the Aikido trained people will be on equal footing in executing self-defense?
Yeah, I thought so. Aikido can work; just in "unusual" needs as you say. Why have you never heard of success in the real world with this martial art consistently? It's too 'soft' IMO.
@TinQuasimodo Yes 100 ordinary folks would excell a lot faster and deeper into boxing for 1 year than the 100 ordinary people training Aikido for the same time. This does not mean Aikido is soft. Nor that they are least prepared for self defence.On the contrary. If you apply Aikido techniques without being properly trained you can permanently disable your opponent. I do not want to imply that boxing is not effective.
@TinQuasimodo Sorry if I have offended you or neglected the fact that you obviously do like another martial art better, but I can not stand someone expressing such harsh oppinion regarding something that Aikido is, without having deeper knowledge. The fact that you havent heard Aikido to have consistently "success" in real fights is because it is not competative. The moment you attack someone you have already lost. No matter what cause had driven you into attack. Aikido=the path for inner piece
@DarkGranit It's cool. I understand you like Aikido, I like aikido, but I also know that it isn't 'as' effective in live fighting. It's not dynamic in Japan, it's a traditionalist's dream art, it's pretty archaic. I can suplex someone without training and hurt them as well....you don't have to worry about implying that boxing is not effective; nobody in their right mind would follow that thought. I have friends who do aikido, I studied in Japan for years...I've seen it's use mostly not work.
Muy bueno! Por ahí alguien criticó que realizaba la técnica con los pies juntos, pues bien intenta realizar la proyección con los pies separados a una persona que pese 30 40 kgs mas que tú Teniendo como base ambos pies, es mas fácil y rápido realizar la técnica.
I could do without the fifteen seconds of effects titles and irrelevant graphics at the beginning, that stifles the usefulness of this video as a tool to those who are trying to learn, especially those who want to re-watch it multiple times, but I guess this is meant to be primarily an advertisement?
hola se agacha para quedar por debajo del hara de uke, es como en judo se hace o goshi, sode suri Kumi goshi,
Ya ke koshi o goshi significa cadera... para el que no lo sabe.
ReI para todos y este tessier viendolo me da ganas de aprender varis tecnicas de aikido, de hecho con mi hermano practicamos koshinague, pero con zuki, si agarre de brazo pero veo que se puede agarrar el brazo tb. gracias, mi hermano es aikidoka.
recuerda que cada sensei tiene sus movimientos y tiempos favoritos, pero en el caso de sensei Tissier, 7mo Dan Aikido Aikikai, y siendo un Shihan entrenado en el Hombu Dojo en Japon, tendra sus razones para agacharse, la verdad es que como me gustaria ir a un seminario con este sensei
I'm not saying that the techniques are soft. I was just complaining about excessive soft movement. I'm talking about people that do techniques that are suppose to be used when your life is at stake, like a walk in the park. As if the opponent was going to defeat itself. I really cant express my self better in english. I don't think I'm going to be able to explain what I really meant. Not talking about the techniques being soft, but they being applied with no martial spirit by some.
yes,true! seoi nage was one of ju jitsu technics imported to Judo, koshi nage remind some judo's throws anyway. especially reminds sode tsurikomi goshi throw of Judo
Suppose hip throws are very old. They were in use in the early "Ju Jitsu" However - they seems to be integral part of Aikido and judo mainly.Anyway :Aikido's throws techniques are more smooth and less rough preferably.
They can be very hard too, if want them to be. I have a personal view that you must learn the hard way to achieve the softness. Ueshiba learned daito ryu which have very hard movements. He develop his own style of martial art and trained as a warrior. Later, as he became more skilled and more wise, he switched his focus from war to peace. I think this is a natural path that all martial artists must follow.
I don't like when people start teaching soft techniques to beginners. Because beginners don't know what a real combat is. I think you must learn about war and feel war. Then transcend war and feel peace. I mean, how can you stop war if you don't know what war is? How can someone stop a raging attacker if one was never attacked with rage? You must first learn to stop the attacker in any way you can. Then you can develop the ability to stop him without violence. Just my opinion though.
The Problem is, that aikido techiques arent quite that "soft" if applied to an untrained partner, that doesnt know how to evade the tension (Ukemi). Much of it is about Tension to weak points such as wrists or ellbows. If u do it fast in the very beginning it can not only hurt it can seriously damage. And this is not what u want to do in Training.
Whats the talking about "soft Techiniques" anyway? Whats so soft with a broken wrist?
@kackbrocken IF YOU PRACTICE SOFT, THE TECHNIQUES ARE SOFT, is like karate is so "square", doesn't work for real life" ... is ridiculus, you can't say soft or hard
@kackbrocken "Soft" vs "hard" isn't about the damage done, but HOW it's done. Aikido utilizes smooth, flowing, efficient, and powerful movements, as do Tai Chi Chuan, Systema, etc. Karate, Kickboxing, Wing Chun, etc use explosive, high-energy (but still usually powerful) movements.
I´m not a fans from Tissier, BUT you can not say "he did not do koshinage right. Watch o´senei..foot steps." 1th there are a lot of form to do Koshinage. 2nd You are right the most of videos of O´Sensei the foot step are in hanmi, but a lot of uchi deshi say: "O´sensei in the last time did koshinage with the foot togerther ". And in the modern aikido a lot of school teach koshinage with the foot together. Tissier is 7° Dan of Aikido and have proved his Koshinage all over the world. And you???
Agreed - what the hell does it matter. Just look at it and think "here is a different way!" We do it differently as well, but this gave me some ideas....isn't that what it is all about
If you are a black bell of aikido, do you know that there is a lot of forms to see if a techniques work of not... that have nothing to do with the rules of a MMA fight or playing on the ring...
Why the hell does everyone need to prove themselves by "stepping into the ring". The attitude of fighting people for fame and money is actually against the philosophy of many traditional martial arts...like almost all of them, hence no competition sparring.
@patodefuego It`s not all about where the foot goes or the hand grabs at the level Tissier is at that`s just the beginers mind trying to make sense of it all :)
Why should I speak to those who do not know? And what should I say to those who do?
sarosh92 1 month ago
Somebody knows the name of the song? I'd be really grateful.
PiLLiSTeR 2 months ago
@PiLLiSTeR Chasing Shadows from Yanni.
ReViv4L 2 months ago
@ReViv4L
Thank you very much.
PiLLiSTeR 2 months ago
Tissier is good, I like it)))
".... lot of uchi deshi say: "O´sensei in the last time did koshinage with the foot togerther..."
I thing, he did koshinage with foot together, because he was already old)) Uchi deshi do not know how he did koshinage when was younger and stronger)))
aleco58 2 months ago
Martial artists really have horrendous taste in music.
jrdx 6 months ago 2
Christian Tissier's techniques are the most graceful and smooth I've seen.
And I think the music goes well with this video too :)
duncanmcloed1 6 months ago
Having trained in other styles such as muay thai / muay boran, western boxing, wing chun kung fu, kyokushin karate as well as grappling arts such as bjj, judo, etc I can categorically state for those people that say aikido is ineffective and a soft martial art, they should try Iwama ryu/Yoshinkan/Yoseikan aikido. Just imagine being thrown onto your head by koshinage or kaitenage from a punch in a street setting? These waza can be devastating and deadly, but Ueshiba's way was one of peace.
martialway100 6 months ago
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martialway100 6 months ago
Aikido, what a beautiful art form. Who cares about effectiveness, if that is what you're after train Kickboxing/ Muay Thai along with Brazilian jiu jitsu. Then go prove how good you are by hurting another human being, see how effective a human being you feel after that.....just not anywhere near me please!
yellowbluepetals 8 months ago
I still remember the first time I tried this I intuitively didn't join my feet. But then with practice I've learnt how to execute it right, and when you do you can easily take on someone double your weight.
In regard of effectivness, aikido have a longer learning curve, and of course if I fail its me, on no way it will be aikido :)
ReViv4L 9 months ago
Dibujo de Sensei Zucco 6Dan Aikikai Italia
laburritaisa 9 months ago
ese dibujo inicial es de Sensei Zucco Domennico 6Dan Aikikai Italia!
laburritaisa 9 months ago
Great vid.
rupertmja1 1 year ago
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DarkGranit 1 year ago
Quasi: What's the one of the first concepts of Aikido? Ai: Harmony. Can you just step out of the way of the attacking energy, let it pass you by, and then just carry on your way? If you think it's about defeating your opponent, you've already lost your Aikido. Unless a "decent pugilist" has me trapped in a corner, I'm just going to walk away and let it pass me by. The moment he starts running after me, he's no longer a boxer... :-)
Aikido is a moving meditation. Don't get lost in the story.
johnfitzw 1 year ago
the problem with aikido dreamers is that they think the techniques will work 'most' of the time. reality is that they will only work the majority of the time with normal people with lacking stand-up ie wrestlers or grabbers. this is why aikido is pretty much useless against boxers or other decent pugilists. it isn't meant for quick in&out type of fighters(which is usually most ordinary folks). people need to study and learn what aikido/qinna was meant for. it's not art, just but a segment.
TinQuasimodo 1 year ago
@TinQuasimodo You sir, are quite mistaken. It is not the aikido techniques that will not work against quick in and out figters. It is the people using them. You can not say a martial art is bad or good. And that one martial art is superior to other. It is how they are used and who uses them. In every martial art there is a Ki. Aikido is just one of the many ways to train it and use it in case of need.
DarkGranit 1 year ago
@DarkGranit Really? Tell me this...get 100 ordinary folks to train in Aikido for a year and also get 100 ordinary folks to train in boxing for a year. Now get these people into a squabble. Are you honestly telling me that you think the Aikido trained people will be on equal footing in executing self-defense?
Yeah, I thought so. Aikido can work; just in "unusual" needs as you say. Why have you never heard of success in the real world with this martial art consistently? It's too 'soft' IMO.
TinQuasimodo 1 year ago
@TinQuasimodo Yes 100 ordinary folks would excell a lot faster and deeper into boxing for 1 year than the 100 ordinary people training Aikido for the same time. This does not mean Aikido is soft. Nor that they are least prepared for self defence.On the contrary. If you apply Aikido techniques without being properly trained you can permanently disable your opponent. I do not want to imply that boxing is not effective.
DarkGranit 1 year ago
@TinQuasimodo Sorry if I have offended you or neglected the fact that you obviously do like another martial art better, but I can not stand someone expressing such harsh oppinion regarding something that Aikido is, without having deeper knowledge. The fact that you havent heard Aikido to have consistently "success" in real fights is because it is not competative. The moment you attack someone you have already lost. No matter what cause had driven you into attack. Aikido=the path for inner piece
DarkGranit 1 year ago
@DarkGranit It's cool. I understand you like Aikido, I like aikido, but I also know that it isn't 'as' effective in live fighting. It's not dynamic in Japan, it's a traditionalist's dream art, it's pretty archaic. I can suplex someone without training and hurt them as well....you don't have to worry about implying that boxing is not effective; nobody in their right mind would follow that thought. I have friends who do aikido, I studied in Japan for years...I've seen it's use mostly not work.
TinQuasimodo 1 year ago
Muy bueno! Por ahí alguien criticó que realizaba la técnica con los pies juntos, pues bien intenta realizar la proyección con los pies separados a una persona que pese 30 40 kgs mas que tú Teniendo como base ambos pies, es mas fácil y rápido realizar la técnica.
aedojudo 1 year ago
I could do without the fifteen seconds of effects titles and irrelevant graphics at the beginning, that stifles the usefulness of this video as a tool to those who are trying to learn, especially those who want to re-watch it multiple times, but I guess this is meant to be primarily an advertisement?
superesonator 1 year ago
I think C. Tiessier is 5 dan while this vid was shot.. still amazing :)
sunreaper2 1 year ago
That is a very cool demonstration.
Derukugi2 2 years ago
Good stuff! He's still got great Aikido today.
AikidoTV 2 years ago
super, yo no entiendo mucho pero como dice ritomo viene en diciembre y el grupo en que está mi hija tendrán una clase con el sensei Tissier, bacán
cynthiacarolina14 2 years ago
i hate the 80's music... they sound so gay...
afiqsince86 2 years ago
beautiful move.. he do it in a really nice way
pangeranWalet 2 years ago
hola se agacha para quedar por debajo del hara de uke, es como en judo se hace o goshi, sode suri Kumi goshi,
Ya ke koshi o goshi significa cadera... para el que no lo sabe.
ReI para todos y este tessier viendolo me da ganas de aprender varis tecnicas de aikido, de hecho con mi hermano practicamos koshinague, pero con zuki, si agarre de brazo pero veo que se puede agarrar el brazo tb. gracias, mi hermano es aikidoka.
royu1581 2 years ago
vaya koshinages mas raros...
porque se agacha el tori???
tendria que mantener su figura y descomponer la del uke, no al reves...
souseinoaquarion 2 years ago
Si, son rarisimos.... Pero por lo bien hechos que estan, es que man
da guevos las tonteria que se leen
aikixander 2 years ago 2
shh bobo
herialos 2 years ago
recuerda que cada sensei tiene sus movimientos y tiempos favoritos, pero en el caso de sensei Tissier, 7mo Dan Aikido Aikikai, y siendo un Shihan entrenado en el Hombu Dojo en Japon, tendra sus razones para agacharse, la verdad es que como me gustaria ir a un seminario con este sensei
un saludo
w3asel01 2 years ago
Estara en diciembre en Chile
ritomo 2 years ago
sabelotodo anda a dormir..
MrMartinsdk 2 years ago
the technique at 1 02 is a judo seoinage
browinng45 3 years ago
I'm not saying that the techniques are soft. I was just complaining about excessive soft movement. I'm talking about people that do techniques that are suppose to be used when your life is at stake, like a walk in the park. As if the opponent was going to defeat itself. I really cant express my self better in english. I don't think I'm going to be able to explain what I really meant. Not talking about the techniques being soft, but they being applied with no martial spirit by some.
haschid 3 years ago 3
at 2 04 you can see soinage which is a judo techniques
browinng45 3 years ago
seoinage is older than judo.
haschid 3 years ago
yes,true! seoi nage was one of ju jitsu technics imported to Judo, koshi nage remind some judo's throws anyway. especially reminds sode tsurikomi goshi throw of Judo
123xxrobertx 3 years ago
older schools emphasized hip throws, because it was very difficult to do a good ukemi in armor.
haschid 3 years ago
Suppose hip throws are very old. They were in use in the early "Ju Jitsu" However - they seems to be integral part of Aikido and judo mainly.Anyway :Aikido's throws techniques are more smooth and less rough preferably.
123xxrobertx 3 years ago
They can be very hard too, if want them to be. I have a personal view that you must learn the hard way to achieve the softness. Ueshiba learned daito ryu which have very hard movements. He develop his own style of martial art and trained as a warrior. Later, as he became more skilled and more wise, he switched his focus from war to peace. I think this is a natural path that all martial artists must follow.
haschid 3 years ago
I don't like when people start teaching soft techniques to beginners. Because beginners don't know what a real combat is. I think you must learn about war and feel war. Then transcend war and feel peace. I mean, how can you stop war if you don't know what war is? How can someone stop a raging attacker if one was never attacked with rage? You must first learn to stop the attacker in any way you can. Then you can develop the ability to stop him without violence. Just my opinion though.
haschid 3 years ago
The Problem is, that aikido techiques arent quite that "soft" if applied to an untrained partner, that doesnt know how to evade the tension (Ukemi). Much of it is about Tension to weak points such as wrists or ellbows. If u do it fast in the very beginning it can not only hurt it can seriously damage. And this is not what u want to do in Training.
Whats the talking about "soft Techiniques" anyway? Whats so soft with a broken wrist?
kackbrocken 3 years ago 21
@kackbrocken If you break their wrist, then you did the technique incorrectly. Unless of course they break it from the fall.
signedlongint 1 year ago
@kackbrocken IF YOU PRACTICE SOFT, THE TECHNIQUES ARE SOFT, is like karate is so "square", doesn't work for real life" ... is ridiculus, you can't say soft or hard
edelihu 10 months ago
@kackbrocken "Soft" vs "hard" isn't about the damage done, but HOW it's done. Aikido utilizes smooth, flowing, efficient, and powerful movements, as do Tai Chi Chuan, Systema, etc. Karate, Kickboxing, Wing Chun, etc use explosive, high-energy (but still usually powerful) movements.
dgaflord 10 months ago
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If you want to learn love, get a condom and then you go to war!
philoposos 2 years ago
aikido cames from aikijitsu but ueshiba its founder elimined a lot of techniques.Here you can see seoinage .Its judo not aikido
browinng45 3 years ago
its not aikido its a jujitsu technique
browinng45 3 years ago
Read where Aikido came from, then adjust your response.
Lechelover 3 years ago
Great aikido - shame about the music!
JesseYuki 3 years ago
pauvre petit :)
aikikavs 3 years ago
Great exibition, very well performed. I was just admiring the much variation this technique has, not to mention their applications on escape.
ramirosuarez 3 years ago
tissier sensei is awesome. whats with the crap about not doing what right?! this guy no longer needs a map, he has found his way.
Ganjeez 3 years ago 2
Hehe nice metaphore.
DonxxSollozzo 3 years ago
no joda, yo quiero ser como tissier en mi aikido. Aunque me lleve muchas vidas, jajaja
aikiguerrero 4 years ago 2
Ja! yo tambien! ^_^
hadronica 3 years ago
No such thing as right, if you have not seen Tissier Sensei, you have no idea.
theonlyunit 4 years ago
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he did not do koshinage right.Please watch o'sensei koshinage.foot steps are differnt.
gokmengirgin 4 years ago
actually their are different ways to perform a technique
MrPinoy91 4 years ago
actually their are different ways to perform a technique
MrPinoy91 4 years ago 3
I´m not a fans from Tissier, BUT you can not say "he did not do koshinage right. Watch o´senei..foot steps." 1th there are a lot of form to do Koshinage. 2nd You are right the most of videos of O´Sensei the foot step are in hanmi, but a lot of uchi deshi say: "O´sensei in the last time did koshinage with the foot togerther ". And in the modern aikido a lot of school teach koshinage with the foot together. Tissier is 7° Dan of Aikido and have proved his Koshinage all over the world. And you???
patodefuego 4 years ago 16
Agreed - what the hell does it matter. Just look at it and think "here is a different way!" We do it differently as well, but this gave me some ideas....isn't that what it is all about
mattymojo911 4 years ago
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What do you mean he has "Proved his" Koshinage? Has he stepped into the ring for a real MMA fight?
entity3sf 3 years ago
We are spiking about aikido and not about MMA...
If you are a black bell of aikido, do you know that there is a lot of forms to see if a techniques work of not... that have nothing to do with the rules of a MMA fight or playing on the ring...
patodefuego 3 years ago
In primis: Koshhinage is the basic projections in the MMA.
Secundis: the mma is a sport with his rules, not the reference of a real fight.
2 NOT REAL men fight in a NOT REAL AREA, with a NOT REAL judge and, foundamental, READY to fight.
There are only few techics usefull with this parameters.
If you would speak about rality, talk about Iraq or Afghanistan...
fabiobranno 3 years ago
Why the hell does everyone need to prove themselves by "stepping into the ring". The attitude of fighting people for fame and money is actually against the philosophy of many traditional martial arts...like almost all of them, hence no competition sparring.
Seankwondo87 3 years ago
How can you put "ring" and "real" in the same sentence?
haschid 3 years ago
Good point. An oversight on my part.
entity3sf 3 years ago
u just did
anirudhkrishnamani 3 years ago
hi haschid
very well put i hope u dont mind if i borrow that : )
i also agree 100% with what u say on the matter of fighting
a warrior must know how to damage and only then can he choose pacifism
lezmos 3 years ago
@patodefuego It`s not all about where the foot goes or the hand grabs at the level Tissier is at that`s just the beginers mind trying to make sense of it all :)
RedTailedTuna 1 year ago
RHUBARB
colmtrim 3 years ago
fantastic!
aikikavs 4 years ago
el mejor!
facuabogado 4 years ago
So many koshinage, so beautiful.
MaxBrains 4 years ago