I'd say Linux and FreeBSD are fairly similar performance-wise. The reasons I prefer FreeBSD are documentation (read the handbook, and the man pages are pretty good in comparison to most open source software), organised (man hier), major changes are properly engineered, in fact the whole project has a much more designed feel about it, ZFS!, and more. The committers tend to be older than linux developers, more software engineers and not so many hackers. It is a more mature culture.
Great video, I am a Linux user and have been toying with the idea of trying FreeBSD. I enjoy it on Virtual, I just haven't made the full commitment yet, and nope, I'm not a dual booter, when I run a system I like to give it my all. Thanks again!
@slimgardener Yes because it is a desktop. and the conversation is about Servers. You know the big things locked in cages that make the internet go. If you want to talk about how great linux is as a desktop, have at it, there is a video on that too. so you can troll in the right place...
@BlackwaterOpsDotCom don't take my comment personally, I did a search for FreeBSD and your link popped up first. It's a wonder why you are talking about it but running a different OS? Miss your cornflakes this morning?
@slimgardener Because Free BSD is a Server, and while you can run it as a desktop the only reason to do so is because you do dev that is going to be deployed to FreeBSD.
FreeBSD is nice. I just dont like the community. On the official FreeBSD forum you get banned if you write "i" and not "I" or "im" and not "I'm". They also hate 'noob' quesions and are impatient. And this "My BSD is much better then your Linux" chitchat is anoying. If you look there you cannot talk with these guys. BSD is the best, everything else crap (and Linux is the biggest crap). Sry but nobody needs a community like this.
@Revollti FreeBSD is built to be error free, and reliable. The community there is for the Developers. They are strict because everything that doesn't move them forward holds them back.
@BlackwaterOpsDotCom They should make "Beginners Help" category then the ones with experience can help if they choose so. It's sad if they haven't thought of that yet :P
@Revollti - FreeBSD users use FreeBSD because they love BSD. They don't hate Linux. Linux users love Linux because they hate Windows. FreeBSD users tend to be professionals and serious hobbyists. I've never found that forum unhelpful to anyone.
It was demonstrated, FreeBSD is not faster than Linux anymore... And FreeBSD is a lot behind Linux, they start just to copy code from Linux kernel for most of their drivers(mostly for graphics).
@aliancemd Having done scale testing with both. You are horribly misinformed. There are things Linux is just as fast for, but not all things. and BSD has better uptime numbers by far. That said... the support and documentation makes it harder to deploy.
@LinuxTheBestOs And you wasted my time some more with your comment. And you would have to be an idiot to run Linux as a Desktop. I was talking about servers.
@rikamou If you are doing anything other than using it to write code, or Administer servers, quite possibly. Linux is great, but it can't easily be your only desktop software.
While you can run web apps, and there are some ok office automation tools, but There isn't a good PowerPoint equivalent. The Video Editors for linux are all crap, and if you want to play any games you are SOL. I like linux, but it lacks the consumer software to be a desktop OS
@rikamou I can't win. When someone attacks me and I don't say anything I'm wrong, when I attack back I'm wrong.
YOU asked if I thought you were an idiot for using Linux as a desktop. I explained why you might be. I didn't attack you, I did my best to state my opinion, with basis in fact.
I even gave an "Out" to say there were legit reasons to run linux on a desktop.
@rikamou Actually no. If I used a hammer to eat my Soup, you'd think I was an idiot. If I mowed my lawn with my beard trimmer you'd think I was an idiot.
While as I mentioned there are legit reasons to run Linux as a desktop, they are rare. If you are doing it just to be an elitest, you are an idiot. If you are doing it because it is easier to test code you are working on then you are being efficient.
@rikamou But all that said, the thread started because I was apparently a retard because I ran Windows and therefore couldn't know anything about Linux or FreeBSD. When I defended myself you took up the cause. I view that as an attack, or at minimum trolling.
95% of people who run linux on their desktops do so for idiotic reasons.
Ok, give an example of idiotic reason, it seems that I can't get your point.
I want my OS to run smooth, don't crash random, I don't want to reinstall it every six months and I don't want every fix for a problem to be - reinstall. I don't want viruses.
I want a secure operating system, I want to browser internet without trojan horses poping up from my browser.
And yes, because it also means you gave up functionality. You can't Pop Skyrim or any other modern game in your drive and play it. You can't make a decent powerpoint presentation. You can't edit AVCHD Video, or H.264 MOVs with any sensible workflow.
And you didn't mention that you are doing any Linux Dev/Administration that consumes 90% of your time to where you are "forced" to run Linux on your desktop, or that it makes your life easier.
@rikamou You are running Linux because you are an elitest. You think running linux makes you superior.
I like Linux. I have LOTS of Linux devices, and Servers. I even have a few linux desktops specifically for doing JAVA development and Python Development.
I Hate MAC Os. I want to break my mac in to little pieces on a regular basis. But I have one because there are things that I need it for. But there are reasons to run Mac on your desktop. Lots of them. It is a desktop OS. Linux aint.
@BlackwaterOpsDotCom I can access Google Docs, Skydrive Web Office Apps, SlideRocket, or Zoho to make a "power point" presentation "in the cloud". Not having Microsoft applications is not a limitation for me. I see the same Internet as a Windows person.
@SystemEquation If you are using just the internet applications you aren't using a desktop. That's like saying you can use a terminal server client, and it counts.
I love Citrix, I deploy Citrix. But running Office automation on an iPad through Citrix doesn't really count as using iOS as your primary Operating system.
@Videotubelord your able to spell "retard" well done you !! your mum proud of you? go away and get yourself a life! plus your grammer is shocking!! "called host" nice one ;)
@legitkrillin You once again proved that you are retarded by not knowing that english is not only language in the world by judging me for a bad grammar. Grow up dude...
@Videotubelord so what language are you communicating in /?? irish ?? polish ?? some sort of winglish ?? your the retard man... you need to relax.. oh and fyi i speak 4 languages you must have a sad life my friend ;)
@karlhanso That quote is often taken out of context. It isn't an endorsement. It was a statement that he felt Linux Needed to be built because there was nothing to do what he wanted. Like saying If the world was covered in ice we would have never invented the wheel. He was filling a void. If the void hadn't been there he would have done something else.
I installed FreeBSD but the applications are really out of date. Gnome 2 desktop and acient Firefox, etc. Also I couldn't install it to an extended partition for some reason. Like windows it insisted on a primary?!?
@22ness0hayden I'm on FreeBSD 8.2, latest Firefox (8), flash player 11, all the latest software for my software development, etc. The ports system is the best way to stay up to date, the packages system lags behind ports by a stretch most of the time. :)
@22ness0hayden Free BSD always lags because everything has to be stable and tested. Also it isn't meant as a desktop. You can run it that way but it really shines as a server.
@001JuanManuel Think you should get your Windows 7 and browser icons correct.. :) That's Chrome. Yes, he has an icon for IE, but the showing browser is Chrome for sure.
@robnaj BSD is in essence a UNIX clone, born at UC Berkeley; it's administered by a group of people. By comparison, Linux was inspired by Minix, a UNIX-like associated with a college textbook/course ("Operating Systems Design and Implementation"), and is primarily directed by one person (Linus Torvalds).
I've read somewhere that, "BSD is what you get if UNIXers ported UNIX to PC, but Linux is what you get of PCers tried to copy UNIX". Not sure how illuminating that is, but it's funny. :)
@basmithtx That actually is "BSD is what you get when a bunch of Unix hackers sit down to try to port a Unix system to the PC. Linux is what you get when a bunch of PC hackers sit down and try to write a Unix system for the PC."
BSD is not a Unix clone, it is a Unix derivate, it has Unix code.
@OZPerpetue That is actually just what I wrote, the comment box limitation required some added brevity. A derivative with UNIX code yet not a clone, you say... no, that's not a dubious hair splitting assertion at all.
@basmithtx It is a derivate of Unix, which mean it IS Unix, but developed by other people, it is a derivate from the Unix OS, which is now no more, because Unix is now an specification, so I tell you again, it is not a clone, it IS Unix, a clone would be something like Linux, which works similar to Unix, but has no Unix code, so it can't be Unix.
Linux kernel 2.6 is not a clone of kernel 2.4, it is Linux, even if it has new code, it is Linux.
@basmithtx Actually I retract my Linux comment (linux isn't really a clone, since it isn't identical), but not the BSD comment.
If BSD was a clone, it would be identical (as you affirm) to Unix, but only that, it is not a clone, because even though it is identical, it IS Unix itself, Unix is not BSD, but BSD is Unix, saying BSD is a clone of Unix is like saying that Debian is a clone of Linux.
Remember BSD was vanilla Unix with some extra tools, now it is still Unix, but with much more new tools
I stopped using FBSD and went to NetBSD for a few local servers as my upgrades to the server didnt always like the upgrades unless A. was originally compiled for it as 8yrs ago I would sometimes have to re-compile kernels and if you've done it, you understand why we went to Solaris than now to CentOS but the pre-solaris machines weren't UltraSparx/II Procs, endes up selling the HP servers using BSD and paid out the butt for at the time, Sun Micro UltraSparcII Procs @ 350MHz/Ea?
@ShaneHm2 Not at all. Linux is not a "child" of unix, any more than "Wine" is a child of Windows. FreeBSD and Linux are both "Free" enterprise class Operating Systems. How many people are trying to decide if they should run WordPress, or PHPBB or Wiki or a dozen other choices on BSD or UNIX.
But I like your comments and conclusion - it should be noted that the hardware FreeBSD doesn't support can be categorized as obscure as (almost / >99%) everything in the server section is fully supported - also FreeBSD has ZFS, Linux can't have ZFS because of bad/restrictive licensing.
@ShaneHm2 that is not a god comparison, FreeBSD is a BSD child, BSD was initially a UNIX child from proprietary shared code, but later entirely rewritten to replace that proprietary code. Linux is a UNIX clone, it didn't born from any UNIX code, but only the ideas, as it is a Chinese IPhone clone, only the idea, but not a real iPhone. At the end, both FreeBSD and Linux are made of free/open code, which one has better UNIX-like code? FreeBSD I believe is more innovative.
@m1kl0s I agree that FreeBSD is more open/free than Linux, and it's a complete OS. I've working for more than 10 years in Linux and more than 8 in FreeBSD/NetBSD/OpenBSD, as well as being certified in Solaris 10, it is what I use with at work with big financial, entertainment and some other companies, where I have ZFS in production, and I've been playing OpenSolaris/Sol. Express 11, it is the most inovative OS, a real UNIX CHILD, I'm anger for the release this Wednesday :)
@ShaneHm2 Absolutely false! FreeBSD is a direct descendant of Unix and once contained original ATT Unix code. Linux looked at MINIX, an educational operating system, for its inspiration and is derived from that.
FREEBSD just chooses the best hardware available. No crappy HW on BSD !
mptrax 6 days ago
Very clear explaination. Thanks alot.
ehtaonene 2 weeks ago
I'd say Linux and FreeBSD are fairly similar performance-wise. The reasons I prefer FreeBSD are documentation (read the handbook, and the man pages are pretty good in comparison to most open source software), organised (man hier), major changes are properly engineered, in fact the whole project has a much more designed feel about it, ZFS!, and more. The committers tend to be older than linux developers, more software engineers and not so many hackers. It is a more mature culture.
gr4tuitou5 2 weeks ago
Great video, I am a Linux user and have been toying with the idea of trying FreeBSD. I enjoy it on Virtual, I just haven't made the full commitment yet, and nope, I'm not a dual booter, when I run a system I like to give it my all. Thanks again!
Anonymous0333 3 weeks ago
i noticed this dude is running windows
slimgardener 3 weeks ago 6
@slimgardener Yes because it is a desktop. and the conversation is about Servers. You know the big things locked in cages that make the internet go. If you want to talk about how great linux is as a desktop, have at it, there is a video on that too. so you can troll in the right place...
BlackwaterOpsDotCom 3 weeks ago
@BlackwaterOpsDotCom don't take my comment personally, I did a search for FreeBSD and your link popped up first. It's a wonder why you are talking about it but running a different OS? Miss your cornflakes this morning?
slimgardener 3 weeks ago
@slimgardener Because Free BSD is a Server, and while you can run it as a desktop the only reason to do so is because you do dev that is going to be deployed to FreeBSD.
BlackwaterOpsDotCom 3 weeks ago
@BlackwaterOpsDotCom bullshit my friend. FreeBSD is both a server, and a desktop operating system. and it's not called "Free BSD" (FreeBSD instead).
your evaluation sucks. you'd better perform a benchmark and then we might get to talk.
securezone 1 week ago
@securezone Ok. I just ran FreeBSD vs Windows
Render test in Maya. PC 24s FreeBSD DNF
Bicubic Resize and Save to PNG in Adobe CS5 Photoshop PC 8s FreeBSD DNF
Frame Rate Test Duke Nukem Forever PC 85 FPS FreeBSD DNF :-)
Benchmark complete... Wow FreeBSD didn't do so well.
That's ok it does great serving PHP pages.
BlackwaterOpsDotCom 1 week ago
FreeBSD is nice. I just dont like the community. On the official FreeBSD forum you get banned if you write "i" and not "I" or "im" and not "I'm". They also hate 'noob' quesions and are impatient. And this "My BSD is much better then your Linux" chitchat is anoying. If you look there you cannot talk with these guys. BSD is the best, everything else crap (and Linux is the biggest crap). Sry but nobody needs a community like this.
Revollti 3 weeks ago 2
@Revollti FreeBSD is built to be error free, and reliable. The community there is for the Developers. They are strict because everything that doesn't move them forward holds them back.
BlackwaterOpsDotCom 3 weeks ago
@BlackwaterOpsDotCom They should make "Beginners Help" category then the ones with experience can help if they choose so. It's sad if they haven't thought of that yet :P
asiandawn69 3 weeks ago
@Revollti - FreeBSD users use FreeBSD because they love BSD. They don't hate Linux. Linux users love Linux because they hate Windows. FreeBSD users tend to be professionals and serious hobbyists. I've never found that forum unhelpful to anyone.
drhowarddrfine 2 weeks ago
I love FreeBSD :) Yahoo uses it as server OS. and Microsoft's Hotmail servers run under FreeBSD (so funny :D)
HAGAKUREBUSIDO 4 weeks ago
It was demonstrated, FreeBSD is not faster than Linux anymore... And FreeBSD is a lot behind Linux, they start just to copy code from Linux kernel for most of their drivers(mostly for graphics).
aliancemd 1 month ago
@aliancemd Having done scale testing with both. You are horribly misinformed. There are things Linux is just as fast for, but not all things. and BSD has better uptime numbers by far. That said... the support and documentation makes it harder to deploy.
BlackwaterOpsDotCom 1 month ago
Screw Linux!
I wish there would be Minix 3 Distros! (linux was based on minix 1, not minix 3)
Minix 3 has the best core I've ever seen, it just needs 5% of linux's paid developers and it will have good drivers and be multicore aware.
Minix 3 was made with a paranoia of downtime in mind and it does automatic maintenance. Every linux fan should read the specs and it's god-like.
If you can get it working, it's the best Server OS you can use!
commodore256 1 month ago
@LinuxTheBestOs Was Banned for Using words on the "Things we don't say at blackwateropsdotcom Channel. (More than once).
BlackwaterOpsDotCom 1 month ago
@LinuxTheBestOs And you wasted my time some more with your comment. And you would have to be an idiot to run Linux as a Desktop. I was talking about servers.
BlackwaterOpsDotCom 1 month ago
@BlackwaterOpsDotCom
I'm running Linux as a Desktop. I'm I and idiot too ?
rikamou 1 month ago
@rikamou If you are doing anything other than using it to write code, or Administer servers, quite possibly. Linux is great, but it can't easily be your only desktop software.
While you can run web apps, and there are some ok office automation tools, but There isn't a good PowerPoint equivalent. The Video Editors for linux are all crap, and if you want to play any games you are SOL. I like linux, but it lacks the consumer software to be a desktop OS
BlackwaterOpsDotCom 1 month ago
@BlackwaterOpsDotCom
Well, I've been using Linux for more than 8 years now.
I agree it's not easy to configure it, and find software that will do the best work for specific task.
But once you know your way around in this environment it will repay you big time.
Offending people who does not share your opinion will only make you the idiot.
Best regards!
rikamou 1 month ago
@rikamou I can't win. When someone attacks me and I don't say anything I'm wrong, when I attack back I'm wrong.
YOU asked if I thought you were an idiot for using Linux as a desktop. I explained why you might be. I didn't attack you, I did my best to state my opinion, with basis in fact.
I even gave an "Out" to say there were legit reasons to run linux on a desktop.
BlackwaterOpsDotCom 1 month ago
@BlackwaterOpsDotCom
I'm not attacking you and neither trolling!
There's no winning or losing here.
I just don't think you should address someone "idiot" just because he or she is using something?
Agree?
rikamou 1 month ago
@rikamou Actually no. If I used a hammer to eat my Soup, you'd think I was an idiot. If I mowed my lawn with my beard trimmer you'd think I was an idiot.
While as I mentioned there are legit reasons to run Linux as a desktop, they are rare. If you are doing it just to be an elitest, you are an idiot. If you are doing it because it is easier to test code you are working on then you are being efficient.
BlackwaterOpsDotCom 1 month ago
@rikamou But all that said, the thread started because I was apparently a retard because I ran Windows and therefore couldn't know anything about Linux or FreeBSD. When I defended myself you took up the cause. I view that as an attack, or at minimum trolling.
95% of people who run linux on their desktops do so for idiotic reasons.
BlackwaterOpsDotCom 1 month ago
@BlackwaterOpsDotCom
Ok, give an example of idiotic reason, it seems that I can't get your point.
I want my OS to run smooth, don't crash random, I don't want to reinstall it every six months and I don't want every fix for a problem to be - reinstall. I don't want viruses.
I want a secure operating system, I want to browser internet without trojan horses poping up from my browser.
Does this reasons look idiotic to you?
rikamou 1 month ago
@rikamou I have that. It's called Windows 7.
And yes, because it also means you gave up functionality. You can't Pop Skyrim or any other modern game in your drive and play it. You can't make a decent powerpoint presentation. You can't edit AVCHD Video, or H.264 MOVs with any sensible workflow.
And you didn't mention that you are doing any Linux Dev/Administration that consumes 90% of your time to where you are "forced" to run Linux on your desktop, or that it makes your life easier.
BlackwaterOpsDotCom 1 month ago
@rikamou You are running Linux because you are an elitest. You think running linux makes you superior.
I like Linux. I have LOTS of Linux devices, and Servers. I even have a few linux desktops specifically for doing JAVA development and Python Development.
I Hate MAC Os. I want to break my mac in to little pieces on a regular basis. But I have one because there are things that I need it for. But there are reasons to run Mac on your desktop. Lots of them. It is a desktop OS. Linux aint.
BlackwaterOpsDotCom 1 month ago
@BlackwaterOpsDotCom
Yeah, three comments and you already know me.
I run Linux because I like it.
You run Windows because You like it. It's a choice!
Linux IS as desktop as any other OS, the absent of specific applications does not make it less desktop.
If I'm Iphone elitest I wouldn't call other users idiots because they use Android!
And yes if you eat you soup with a hammer I'll think you're an idiot, running Windows wont make me think you are!
Think about that!
rikamou 1 month ago
@rikamou Absence of applications quite specifically is the definition of "less desktop"
BlackwaterOpsDotCom 1 month ago
@BlackwaterOpsDotCom I can access Google Docs, Skydrive Web Office Apps, SlideRocket, or Zoho to make a "power point" presentation "in the cloud". Not having Microsoft applications is not a limitation for me. I see the same Internet as a Windows person.
SystemEquation 1 month ago
@SystemEquation If you are using just the internet applications you aren't using a desktop. That's like saying you can use a terminal server client, and it counts.
I love Citrix, I deploy Citrix. But running Office automation on an iPad through Citrix doesn't really count as using iOS as your primary Operating system.
BlackwaterOpsDotCom 1 month ago
@BlackwaterOpsDotCom
Oh and I don't play games - I grew up.
rikamou 1 month ago
@rikamou I see now you were just trolling and it didn't matter what I said.
BlackwaterOpsDotCom 1 month ago
he says this with a windows 7 in the background???? MUPPET linux all the way baby
legitkrillin 2 months ago 2
@legitkrillin Win 8, and I think you mean PUPPET
BlackwaterOpsDotCom 2 months ago
@legitkrillin His channel isn't called "LinuxShow" muppet.
Videotubelord 2 months ago
@Videotubelord did i say anything about the name of the show ??
or do you find it necessary to point out the obvious?? deas it make your comment seem better??
legitkrillin 2 months ago
@legitkrillin Now you are really big retard, "Did i say", yes you did! You called host a muppet for a background image.
Videotubelord 2 months ago
@Videotubelord your able to spell "retard" well done you !! your mum proud of you? go away and get yourself a life! plus your grammer is shocking!! "called host" nice one ;)
legitkrillin 2 months ago
@legitkrillin You once again proved that you are retarded by not knowing that english is not only language in the world by judging me for a bad grammar. Grow up dude...
Videotubelord 2 months ago
@Videotubelord so what language are you communicating in /?? irish ?? polish ?? some sort of winglish ?? your the retard man... you need to relax.. oh and fyi i speak 4 languages you must have a sad life my friend ;)
legitkrillin 2 months ago
@legitkrillin I speak in 4 languages too, so what? Do i walk around judging people for bad grammar? You need to relax!
Videotubelord 2 months ago
@Videotubelord lol ok mate if you say so ;)
legitkrillin 2 months ago
how did i get here with the huge amount of programming geeks arguing???
FLAMEZ53 2 months ago
Linus Torvalds said in 1993: "If 386BSD had been available when I started on Linux, Linux would probably never have happened."
karlhanso 2 months ago
@karlhanso That quote is often taken out of context. It isn't an endorsement. It was a statement that he felt Linux Needed to be built because there was nothing to do what he wanted. Like saying If the world was covered in ice we would have never invented the wheel. He was filling a void. If the void hadn't been there he would have done something else.
BlackwaterOpsDotCom 2 months ago
I installed FreeBSD but the applications are really out of date. Gnome 2 desktop and acient Firefox, etc. Also I couldn't install it to an extended partition for some reason. Like windows it insisted on a primary?!?
22ness0hayden 2 months ago
@22ness0hayden I'm on FreeBSD 8.2, latest Firefox (8), flash player 11, all the latest software for my software development, etc. The ports system is the best way to stay up to date, the packages system lags behind ports by a stretch most of the time. :)
Kuckti15 2 months ago
@22ness0hayden Free BSD always lags because everything has to be stable and tested. Also it isn't meant as a desktop. You can run it that way but it really shines as a server.
BlackwaterOpsDotCom 1 month ago
Mac vs. PCENIS
wemakepies 3 months ago
why are you running windows?
and using INTERNET EXPLORER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
001JuanManuel 3 months ago
@001JuanManuel Think you should get your Windows 7 and browser icons correct.. :) That's Chrome. Yes, he has an icon for IE, but the showing browser is Chrome for sure.
Spixe 3 months ago
@Spixe i know the browser he's showing is chrome, but look at the Windows task bar.... IE is obviously running in the background... :)
001JuanManuel 2 months ago
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001JuanManuel 3 months ago
I use Gentoo. In past active use FreeBSD. But when I know about portage in Gentoo Linux, FreeBSD away in deep past :)
perestoronin 3 months ago
What is BSD?
Please do a video on that (maybe comparing to something most people who know)
robnaj 3 months ago
@robnaj BSD is in essence a UNIX clone, born at UC Berkeley; it's administered by a group of people. By comparison, Linux was inspired by Minix, a UNIX-like associated with a college textbook/course ("Operating Systems Design and Implementation"), and is primarily directed by one person (Linus Torvalds).
I've read somewhere that, "BSD is what you get if UNIXers ported UNIX to PC, but Linux is what you get of PCers tried to copy UNIX". Not sure how illuminating that is, but it's funny. :)
basmithtx 3 months ago
@basmithtx That actually is "BSD is what you get when a bunch of Unix hackers sit down to try to port a Unix system to the PC. Linux is what you get when a bunch of PC hackers sit down and try to write a Unix system for the PC."
BSD is not a Unix clone, it is a Unix derivate, it has Unix code.
OZPerpetue 3 months ago
@OZPerpetue That is actually just what I wrote, the comment box limitation required some added brevity. A derivative with UNIX code yet not a clone, you say... no, that's not a dubious hair splitting assertion at all.
basmithtx 3 months ago
@basmithtx It is a derivate of Unix, which mean it IS Unix, but developed by other people, it is a derivate from the Unix OS, which is now no more, because Unix is now an specification, so I tell you again, it is not a clone, it IS Unix, a clone would be something like Linux, which works similar to Unix, but has no Unix code, so it can't be Unix.
Linux kernel 2.6 is not a clone of kernel 2.4, it is Linux, even if it has new code, it is Linux.
OZPerpetue 3 months ago
@OZPerpetue Perhaps you misunderstand what "clone" means.
basmithtx 3 months ago
@basmithtx Actually I retract my Linux comment (linux isn't really a clone, since it isn't identical), but not the BSD comment.
If BSD was a clone, it would be identical (as you affirm) to Unix, but only that, it is not a clone, because even though it is identical, it IS Unix itself, Unix is not BSD, but BSD is Unix, saying BSD is a clone of Unix is like saying that Debian is a clone of Linux.
Remember BSD was vanilla Unix with some extra tools, now it is still Unix, but with much more new tools
OZPerpetue 3 months ago
@OZPerpetue I think the word you're looking for is "fork". FreeBSD is a fork of i386 Unix ?
22ness0hayden 2 months ago
@22ness0hayden That's the word, exactly that, thank you very much.
OZPerpetue 2 months ago
I stopped using FBSD and went to NetBSD for a few local servers as my upgrades to the server didnt always like the upgrades unless A. was originally compiled for it as 8yrs ago I would sometimes have to re-compile kernels and if you've done it, you understand why we went to Solaris than now to CentOS but the pre-solaris machines weren't UltraSparx/II Procs, endes up selling the HP servers using BSD and paid out the butt for at the time, Sun Micro UltraSparcII Procs @ 350MHz/Ea?
lanceseidman 3 months ago
I think you should be more looking at the difference of UNIX vs BSD.
FreeBSD is a child of BSD and Linux is a child of UNIX.
ShaneHm2 3 months ago
@ShaneHm2 Not at all. Linux is not a "child" of unix, any more than "Wine" is a child of Windows. FreeBSD and Linux are both "Free" enterprise class Operating Systems. How many people are trying to decide if they should run WordPress, or PHPBB or Wiki or a dozen other choices on BSD or UNIX.
BlackwaterOpsDotCom 3 months ago
@BlackwaterOpsDotCom
Linux isn't an OS. Linux isn't free.
FreeBSD is an OS. FreeBSD is free.
But I like your comments and conclusion - it should be noted that the hardware FreeBSD doesn't support can be categorized as obscure as (almost / >99%) everything in the server section is fully supported - also FreeBSD has ZFS, Linux can't have ZFS because of bad/restrictive licensing.
m1kl0s 3 months ago
@ShaneHm2 that is not a god comparison, FreeBSD is a BSD child, BSD was initially a UNIX child from proprietary shared code, but later entirely rewritten to replace that proprietary code. Linux is a UNIX clone, it didn't born from any UNIX code, but only the ideas, as it is a Chinese IPhone clone, only the idea, but not a real iPhone. At the end, both FreeBSD and Linux are made of free/open code, which one has better UNIX-like code? FreeBSD I believe is more innovative.
gabojm 3 months ago
@gabojm Linux is only a kernel, not an OS. Linux was written/based on Minix.
FreeBSD is a free OS - the Linux kernel isn't.
m1kl0s 3 months ago
@m1kl0s I agree that FreeBSD is more open/free than Linux, and it's a complete OS. I've working for more than 10 years in Linux and more than 8 in FreeBSD/NetBSD/OpenBSD, as well as being certified in Solaris 10, it is what I use with at work with big financial, entertainment and some other companies, where I have ZFS in production, and I've been playing OpenSolaris/Sol. Express 11, it is the most inovative OS, a real UNIX CHILD, I'm anger for the release this Wednesday :)
gabojm 3 months ago
@ShaneHm2 Absolutely false! FreeBSD is a direct descendant of Unix and once contained original ATT Unix code. Linux looked at MINIX, an educational operating system, for its inspiration and is derived from that.
drhowarddrfine 2 weeks ago
My name is Brandon as well!
TheBdavis2195 3 months ago
Love your videos Brandon!
TheBdavis2195 3 months ago