I can understand if you have problems with what the Bible says & disagree with Christianity, but you aren't really concerned with true dialogue, you just want to start trouble. You don't even go after people who actually believe this stuff, you go after those who work in a public library. it is actually pretty sad if you ask me. You have no honest intentions at promoting truth, or exposing lies, you just want to stir up trouble. You"re doing atheism a disservice acting this way. Shame on you sir
"He answered, 'Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my father's house, for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.' "Abraham replied, 'They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.' "'No, father Abraham,' he said, 'but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.' "He said to him, 'If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.'" Luke 16:27-31
@zero7090 all of the above... :P But probably in some sort of English Lit section. Actually, I believe there is an ENTIRE section in the Library dedicated to Shakespeare. So what was your point?
how can it be tolerant and ignorant? I think you meant the bibble is Intolerant AND ignorant, just like the religious people who don't really read it.
"Let's see what happens..." A bunch of people looking for various books end up finding a Bible and then wondering "Hey why is there a Bible right here? It must be a sign." and then proceed to check out the Bible.
When she gives him the cart without even asking which books he's trying to reshelf. And then, when he brings it to the front desk's attention, AGAIN no real reaction.
Nilbud- Since youve made attacking Christians your lifes mission and you condone censoring our message then why dont you move to North Korea to be with the rest of your arrogant thugs and murderers? Would anal-retentive control freaks such as yourself who reject civil rights equality for all be happier with your Fearless Leaders mandatory atheism? Get packing.
most of you ant-religious zealots are as bad as the over-religious zealots. if you read the Word you would realize it does instruct tolerance, Love even to thine enemy, and of HIS Grace and mercy even to those against him and those who have strayed from him. to say it is destructive and fictional only accounts to your hypocrisy. if you don't believe that's your choice... you were given free will just don't forget, before the mass persecutions by religion there was mass persecution of religion
you are more intolerant than right wing religious fanatics. i understand your non belief and that's fine... believe what you want. but don't be that hypocrite and push that non-belief on those whom believe that jesus is our lord and savior. you say we are intolerant yet you make intolerant remarks of our religion also by lumping every christian belief structure into one with those who spread perversions of the word. which i'm sure your convictions have lead you to act in kind
Is there a reason you only chose to attack the Bible, and the beliefs of Christ-centered religions? If you're gonna make outrageous claims, at least stay consistent and go against all the "myths" of the world. I want to see the Koran, The Book of Mormon, the Book of Shadows, and more included in your attacks. As a side note, I enjoyed watching the librarians' refusal to be confrontational with you, despite your best attempts.
@Beastaclops How many muslims and mormons are in our country? It would be illogical for him to blast those religions when most of our population is christian.
@asebrookb He didn't break any laws. All he did was move some books. Would it be any different if he moved the Harry Potter books to the history section? Or, perhaps moving the dictionary to the fiction section?
Humans are clearly distinct from animals (and no, I'm not talking about physical differences here). Though I can see how your understanding of the definition of "animal" differs from mine. The same would go with the Hebrew word translated as "bird" to refer to any flying creature. I've proven my point and reject the definition of man derived from a strictly Darwinist mindset. That would be respectful, unlike disturbing order in a public library (which is punishable by law btw).
At least I don't have to invent neologisms to convey my ideas.
A quick Google search reveals that you, "sonykroket", are the only person on the entire Internet (as of 08.12.2011) that's using the term "relimuppet". For your information, I'm not the pope's plaything and the fact I choose to be on Christ's side is a conscious decision based on thankfulness, which is was caused by the belief in my pardon through his sacrifice. You're just being historically ignorant and comfy about it.
I really dont care what you think and at least im original.
You choose to be on christs side eh? Ok, i'm on Spidermans side, he kicks jebus butt everyday
You just dont want to hear about a lack of evidence for the ole hipster. No matter what people say, dorkies like you will always force themselves to believe unproven crap
Superman is a fictional character, created by two guys for a comic book. Historicity of Jesus, on the other hand, is universally agreed upon in scientific circles, even by atheists (with a few exceptions, who would believe just about anything).
Even if he was real, Superman is weak to a rock. Jesus is God and is unbeatable unless it was his plan to be defeated (which thankfully it was).
You won't find any evidence for the same reason a criminal won't find a cop, not that you can't.
Jesus was very likely real...and truely a great philosopher.
It is just unfortunate that those who came after him had to turn it into supernatural propoganda bull crap that only the utterly uneducated would take at face value
If Jesus wasn't God, then his message was that of a liar or a madman, not a "great philosopher". This is how the authorities of that day viewed him and tried to dispose of him, because he called himself God (and proved himself), preformed miracles and was a threat to the reputation of religious leaders everywhere ("god-emperors" included).
It's sad that people keep overlooking how unlikely (if impossible) was that his entire life and its elements where faked (birth, death etc).
If Jesus wasn't God, then his message was that of a religious reforist and exagerted by later followers since we don't have his word on it, only thier interpretations of it.
There is the one side that says ALL TRUUE
Another that says ALL FALSE.
I see the Bible like the Iliad...alot of mystical bullcrap cheapening a true story at its core
Now as to.."This is how the authorities of that day viewed him and tried to dispose of him,"
Judea was constantly in rebelion against the Roman Empire from well before Jesus, and people kept claiming to be the Messiah to spur such rebelions. Rome was sick of it. Here comes yet anthor Jewish laeder with a following, they wanted him gone.
And if he hadn't "desecrated" the temple they wouldn't have had a charge against him
@MichaelGabrielR And all this STILL doesn't change the fact that the probability that the miracle accounts actually happened compared to the probability that it was all a fraud is still X>1:0 in favor of fraud (Until someone can show me evidence by invoking the power of Christ).
That was my entire point - by the rules of the world we live in, miracles cannot happen, ever, not arguments about it, because miracles are by definition supernatural. Since you dismiss all evidence of any outside force or entity, you have a problem, because you limited your thinking by your own worldview. Think outside of the naturalistic box.
@MichaelGabrielR My worldview is that of the observable universe. The one in which we can observe, interact with, and understand. In other words, the only universe that matters. Nature is the physical world, the observable universe....Existence as we know it. So yes, you are correct in saying that God is beyond existence. And obviously I will not waste my time researching something that will yield no results. Science does shit. Therein lies our difference.
Why should we believe that miracles, by definition being supernatural, are possible by nature? We do however believe that miracles have a physical impact on our world, otherwise they would be called "delusions". You are wrong to say that God is beyond existence, because he wouldn't be able to create or reveal himself - nothing doesn't do anything. You have still much to live before you will notice what really matters. Keep that in mind and resume your studies. Life will surprise you.
@MichaelGabrielR You got it.....They ARE delusions. God CAN'T do anything (He hasn't yet, if he indeed exists), at least, not anything we can prove. Why should we believe that miracles, by definitions being supernatural, are possible in our universe...Which consists only of the natural? Those that exists, exists....Those that don't, don't...It's that simple.
Well, that's your honest opinion, but the evidence speaks for itself and you won't change it by believing in the contrary, the same way how the Earth was always spherical, even through people thought it was flat. Your all-natural universe is like that flat earth worldview, which by making a honest observation of reality, becomes obsolete. BTW, that "bronze age" book of "primitive" "delusional" "tent dwellers" speaks of an expanding universe and a round Earth suspended in space.
@MichaelGabrielR The all-natural world view IS the honest view of reality. It is the only world view supported by empirical EVIDENCE (which, by the way, I have yet to see proof of existence for God). It is the ONLY world view supported by science. Science is the methodology we use to the study of NATURE. In case it wasn't obvious enough, we spent the last few posts discussing how there is NO substantial evidence believing in the claims of miracles, much less an omnipotent creator. [CONT]
@MichaelGabrielR Your book DOESN'T explain the expansion of the universe. It makes no attempt to explain dark energy, the stretching of space time, and the big bang theory. There is a reason why people can't just look at the bible and come up with "cosmic expansion" (though they might come up with "frankenstein theory" for abiogenesis). All there is is a vague reference to how the universe popped out from nowhere and is infinitely large...Something a CHILD can tell you w/o knowing anything.
@MichaelGabrielR 1) The bible talks of the 4 corners of the earth. Explain. 2) Earth is in no way perfectly suspended to anything. The frames of reference (distance specifically) with earth relative to every other object in the universe is always changing. 3) We knew the earth was round and that it was in space since the babylonians...And they did it through..Oh guess what? MATH! Did god tell them? Oh, only if God is math.
Well, I agree that "God did it" is not much of an explanation, but it does mention expanding universe. It does explain things like "mountains" under the sea and the hydrological cycle. However, the Bible is a religious book first and foremost, meant to point us towards the Messiah, not to explain everything there is. 1) NEWS 2) hanged on nothing aka not hanged on anything aka in space 3) God included a lot of things in a man, like the concept of good and infinity
@MichaelGabrielR 1) Elaborate. 2) You used the word suspended... Which means held at a constant distant relative to another object. Earth is not suspended to anything, it is falling in the sun's gravitational field and is drawing closer to it. You do realize that the bible was not the first sign of us being disillusioned by the flat earth world veiw? And you realize that anyone who doesnt hold on to flat earth world veiw would have to be an idiot to not realize earth is in space. [CONT]
@MichaelGabrielR 3) What relevance does this have to do with anything I just said? There is nothing even remotely useful in the bible for the progress of science, let alone profound. Like I said, there is a reason it is people pulling vague references from the book after scientific discovery, and not researchers looking at book for discovery. So you read your book, and I'll do my research. :D
Are you an American? I imagine that English became an obstacle for you and you're picking on words. The Bible wasn't even written in English, so we go bats as "birds" etc. 1) North, East, West, South - now and always, the four "corners" of the Earth. 2) See above. 3) Man calculated this with math. Good job, but we where equipped to do so by our creator. People believed in many things, but God was able to show us stuff beyond our knowledge (eg. future), before we got to know them.
@MichaelGabrielR No. I am Asian. However, that is irrelevant, because I wasn't picking on the bible in that instance, I was picking on your misuse of the word suspended. 1) Directions become corners? Thats a stretch, even by translations. 2) It's STILL not suspended to anything. 3) This turns back into a "But God did it"...It doesn't explain anything. Also, pre-recognition doesn't exist. God wasn't able to show us anything we didn't already know. [CONT]
@MichaelGabrielR Like I said, the bible has NO explanatory value to ANYTHING related to science. It makes no attempt to explain the processes. All you have is vague references that *could* potentially refer to another discovery IF you interpret it figuratively...and pull words out of their context. [CONT]
"You have still much to live before you will notice what really matters. Keep that in mind and resume your studies. Life will surprise you." This is what I love about religion...They claim to have an answer to life, in the form of a non answer that has no explanatory power. The things that matter in life (to me) are my relationship with my family, friends, and community and the state of our well being.
true...the only convincing source I have found thus far is Josephus...and he dosn't say much on it at all,
The reason he is convinceing of thier being a Jesus, is that he is discussing the Trail of James and only mentions Jesus as a side note that he and James were Brothers
@whiteowl1415 You do realize that any contradictory stories were omitted? Only "canonized" bits of unrelated,unverified,anonymous text were added to the bible, none of which is independently verifiable.
I don't think there is a single thing in the bible that is independently verifiable outside of itself. If there is, please share. Oh, and bible study groups don't count. The operative word is "independently".
Josephus...not the later editing by the actual origional Josephus work stated that brought to trial was "James, brother of Jesus who some called teh Christ"
This does not verify any miracles, Jesus was a common name at the time so its not odd, and the brief, almost sidenote aspect of it rather than the spotlight we usualy see adds credance.
Don't get me wrong, IF he was real, we are still looking at 90% bulcrap in the story
@sonykroket Oh faitheists, why are you so evidence-blind? I've seen plenty of (hostile) accounts mentioning Jesus and his life. At least they acknowledged him as a real person. Pagan: -Thallus (52AD) -Pliny the Younger (61-113AD) -Suetonius (69-140AD) -Tacitus (56-120AD) -Mara Bar-Serapion (70AD) -Phlegon (80-140AD) -Lucian of Samosata: (115-200 A.D.) -Celsus (175AD) Jewish: -Josephus (37-101AD) -Jewish Talmud (400-700AD) -The Toledot Yeshu (1000AD) I can see why atheists aren't trustworthy.
I have an extraordinary claim and I provide you with supporting evidence. The people where eye witnesses to the events and where dying for something they've actually seen, the creeds where shown too early to be corrupted by myth, it was better for everyone to just shut up, impossible to fake, proven by miracles, prophecy, historical accounts of friend and foe alike.
You believe otherwise - I understand that and I can't fix that, but stop being an asshole.
I've actually looked at the quotes. They've spread contradictory rumors to discredit Jesus, but aside from sounding like any other angry unbeliever, these guys give no doubt too whether Jesus actually existed. Early Christians are a great evidence, because they where Christ's contemporaries, could get killed for their faith, it went against their culture's beliefs, and they had better access to evidence on the spot. Do me a favor and look up "Christ myth theory" on wikiquote.
"They've spread contradictory rumors to discredit Jesus,"
I can personaly verify that Tacitus and Josephus did no such thing as I am very familiar with thier work...the others, I would not pressume to state such a thing on.
"Early Christians are a great evidence"
By that logic early Greeks = Hercules
"it went against their culture's beliefs"
Rome was religiously tolerant, the problem was Christians wouldn't pay taxes and Jews rebeled alot
Do understand that I merely agruse a lack of concrete evidence.
The circumstantial evidence we discuss is enough to convince me of a MAN named Jesus, who was a philisophical revolutionary and I am quite impressed by him...but I find no reason to beleive the tales of devinity
You have a good point. Rumors could have spread, accounts exaggerated and the miracles faked, but I stress the question of how likely is this the case? Who would have profited from it? If it was for material welfare, then they would have not gone through such persecutions? The main message of Jesus was that He is God and the foretold savior. That's what killed him. Based on his sacrificial love, he taught us how to love others. If he wasn't God, he would be a liar or a madman.
As likely as it was for Homer's Iliad. We have evidence there was a Trojan war, but we don't think Odyseus really visted an isle where a witch turned his sailors into animals
"Who would have profited from it?"
The people gathering loayal followers for a religion gather a powerbase along with it
"He is God and the foretold savior'
Actualy the main message was Love thy Neighbor, Ghandi taught taht as well
@MichaelGabrielR Here's what we scientists do, we test stuff. Try spreading rumors, exaggerating accounts, and faking miracles. Then try actually invoking the power of Christ to preform a supernatural feat. Come back and tell me the probability from the ratio in your recorded results. The ratio of divine feats to rumor, exaggeration, and fraud should give you an accurate understanding of the probability. You'll soon realize conspiracy sounds mighty good compared to impossibility.
@MichaelGabrielR I don't know about you, but the ratio of success when I compare fraud to miracles has always proven to be X>1:0 respectively. How is it any more likely for a man to walk on water than it is for people to simply spread a rumor that a man can walk on water?
And then what is more likely - to walk on water or to raise a rotting corpse (Lazarus) from the grave? The unlikeliness of an event doesn't dismiss its occurrence. Furthermore, if done by God, who is able to mess around with his creation as he pleases, we would expect from him things that bend the physical laws. Also, there where numerous miracles preformed on people disabled form their youth and Jesus himself appeared resurrected before hundreds of witnesses, no wonder the news spread.
And what does that make you? After all, what comes from the mouth comes from the heart, they say. Was that the reason you've set up your troll account?
Based on the criteria of identifying a troll account, I might have raised a false alarm. Maybe you are yet another religious* fundamentalist (the real thing, not merely a troll), filled with hatred towards other beliefs (well, not just the beliefs, but other people as well) and, as your channel reveals, pushing your atheistic doctrine to politics, education and science.
*Controversial as it may seem (and as you will see), atheism is recognized as a religion worldwide.
Yes we know relimuppets try to label everyone who doesnt agree with them as trolls.
In the old days you maggots would just kill us but now you cant do that anymore so you play the victim.
You are so full of shit with your atheism being a religion. I understand bible and qurandorkies can only think in terms of reli-labels but guess what.
Well, shame on you then, because below you can see comments far more respectful, coming from an atheist, of all things (who could have just spew the same hateful nonsense I got from you). Take notes and enjoy your inner monologue, because this conversation is over.
The first quote is about how Christianity started and it deals with how likely is to fake one's birth, third (often enemy) parties, mind reading, bringing a rotten corpse to life, getting back to life after going through crucifixion, converting a 1st century "hitler" and going on despite severe persecution.
The second quote is about the possibility of miracles - can't happen if we take the naturalistic view. What explanation there is if they did?
@MichaelGabrielR How can I rip them out of context if I just quote them?
Your first statement was comparing the likelihood of miracles (such as raising the dead and supernatural powers like mind reading) actually happening compared to the likelihood of them being faked. The likelihood of someone faking these accounts COMPARED to the likelihood of these feats actually happening is pretty much X>1:0 in favor of fraud. In that case, we have a 100% probability.
@MichaelGabrielR Your second statement is an attempt to evade the subject; Impossibility vs Conspiracy. Take your pick. If everyone in your family, or even the whole world, told you that your Great-Great Grandpa was a duck, the possibility of your grandpa being a duck is still 0%...Despite what they say. Likewise, claims such as Jesus walking on water vs it just being a hoax or exaggerated follows the same suit.
Yes, you can misrepresent one's position just by using their exact words. It's called "Manipulative Editing". There was a possibility of starting a fake religion, while it's quite impossible to bend physics at your will in 1st century AD. The second backs up the first - if the miracles are real, then his claims where true and there's a reason to believe him.
FYI, we're dealing with the supernatural creator of the universe (not an animal) and walking in the middle of the Sea of Galilee.
@MichaelGabrielR There is no reason to believe the miracles are real. It is not only more plausible that the miracles were hoaxes. Your reason to believe the miracles is because you believe the claims and accounts to be true. Your reason to believe the claims and accounts is you believe the miracles to be true. Circular logic. FYI, we are talking about an analogy. The fact of the matter is truth is not dictated by democracy. You will fall no matter how many people tell you can fly.
Oh, the old argument "the Bible is true because it says so". In fact, God asks people to test whether his words are true. There where several predictions, like the destruction of Jerusalem and Nineveh. This is recorded in ancient history and obviously there where contemporaries to witness these events coming to pass. Then again, I could have believed that all historians are liars and we live in a different world where these cities never existed until now. So who should I trust?
@MichaelGabrielR Right, and all my experiments on his powers in prayer have yet to yield a positive result. He has yet to reconcile with science. Infact, his followers, namely you, do not even believe that his miracles are even possible by nature. There are several whether predictions that are right... And there are more correct weather forcasts than there are prophecies fullfilled in revelations (even those only meet vague interpretations).
@goldenhawk952 You better be trolling. If you really believe in the God because the bible tells you, I may as well believe murder is right, because Charles Manson says so.
So... Can you do everyone a favor and move this video to "animals" section of YouTube? The "I disagree with it" seems to be a reason enough for you and, based on what you believe, you shouldn't be offended anyway...
The bible doesn't belong in the historical section, it belongs in the religious section, sure, it is fiction but the last one was such an asshole thing to do.
I'm all for militant atheism. Some of your work seems a little outlandish. This one borders on the asshole line. I would like to see atheists going door to door with nice ties.
@derman077 it's almost like you have to be an asshole, most christians are so ignorant anything you tell them that questions their beliefs, no matter how logic, is the work of satan.
@NaziJuice Or Allah or Atum, or Ptah or Unkulunkulu or Mbombo or Nanabozho or Virococha or El or Esege Malan or Kamuy or Amenominakanushi or Kotoamatsukami or Izanagi or Marduk or Vishvakarmen or Bor or Rangi/Papa or Brahma or Vinshu or Shiva or Pangu or Waheguru or Nammu or Tiamat or Chaos or Gaia or Ouranos or I could keep going on. Just to be safe though, until we find out for sure, we'll keep these in the fiction section.
@DamienZshadow Oh so you were there, well then tell us what happened. Everyone knows God created Adam and Eve in the garden of eden. They had one rule not to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Of course that was after God created the heavens and the earth and spake "let there be light" then he created an expanse between the water and the air called land.
@NaziJuice Oh no I certainly wasn't there but neither were you. Yet you act as if you know the origin but neither of us do. All we do know is the details after creation by tracing back what we can observe. We can see stars that are older than this planet by many billions of years. That simple fact cannot be denied. Also, I don't care what they believe just as long as they don't try to pass it as an established fact. And I'm sorry but I haven't seen a soul as of yet, can you show me one?
@DamienZshadow "All we do know is the details after creation by tracing back what we can observe." Do you know, really? Or is it an assumption founded on a belief that scientists know/proved this truth? No, I am afraid, nobody will be able to show a soul to you. You have to stay open minded. Start with Plato, and move on. Be smart, stay simple. Best wishes.
At about 2:50 i stopped liking this guy. I like librarians.
AllTimeSnowman 4 days ago
should put them in the can,very badly written
laapache1 6 days ago
These librarians are nothing like the mean witches I used to remember.
sweetsweatyfeet 6 days ago
You sir are a good citizen
NightnGales 6 days ago
I can understand if you have problems with what the Bible says & disagree with Christianity, but you aren't really concerned with true dialogue, you just want to start trouble. You don't even go after people who actually believe this stuff, you go after those who work in a public library. it is actually pretty sad if you ask me. You have no honest intentions at promoting truth, or exposing lies, you just want to stir up trouble. You"re doing atheism a disservice acting this way. Shame on you sir
theantihero420 1 week ago
@theantihero420 so many tears
Gogglezisnumber1 1 week ago
Why are you being confrontational and smug with librarians? Go after the Pat Robertsons or Rick Santorums of the world instead.
thewetflarp 1 week ago
haha awesome!
necronastik 1 week ago
I love libraries! :D
gaudioinventionis98 1 week ago
You sir, are kind of an ass. But, thats ok cause you make very good points and make them entertaining. :3
1001001011011001 1 week ago
"He answered, 'Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my father's house, for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.' "Abraham replied, 'They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.' "'No, father Abraham,' he said, 'but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.' "He said to him, 'If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.'" Luke 16:27-31
KingdomSeeker2012 2 weeks ago
they aren't exactly fiction.. they are the plans of the NWO.. hint: " The NEW Testament"..
iluvlinkinparkxxx 2 weeks ago
Religious antagonism fail. Nobody cared.
hjf3022 2 weeks ago
@hjf3022 yeah, even the librarians think christianity is bullshit
garfrain 2 weeks ago
so where do you put Romeo&Juliet? Fiction? Literature? Drama? Tragedy?
zero7090 2 weeks ago
@zero7090 all of the above... :P But probably in some sort of English Lit section. Actually, I believe there is an ENTIRE section in the Library dedicated to Shakespeare. So what was your point?
1001001011011001 1 week ago
I thought there was a regional section.
toshie534 2 weeks ago
@toshie534 I assume you mean religion
aguyuno 2 weeks ago
@aguyuno yes that one (damn you spell-check why must you lie?)
toshie534 2 weeks ago
I laugh my ass off when ever the Flying Spaghetti Monster pops up in the intro.
UARAF16 2 weeks ago in playlist More videos from religiousantagonist
why not file it under religion?
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I love how the Librarians were so cool with it. They just didn't give a fuck.
MrLunitunz 2 weeks ago 28
Not gonna lie it made me laugh.
SuperBspb 3 weeks ago
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So you call the bible tolerant and ignorant? Take a look at your goofy ass face.
SelectionSeven 3 weeks ago
@SelectionSeven shut up man it´s just for fun.
And you actually taking it seriously makes you the ignorant
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@SelectionSeven No. he didn't call it "tolerant" he called it "intolerant" wich it is. its homophobic, sexist, racist and everything in between.
Langelus95 2 weeks ago 2
@SelectionSeven
how can it be tolerant and ignorant? I think you meant the bibble is Intolerant AND ignorant, just like the religious people who don't really read it.
aegisgfx 2 weeks ago
@SelectionSeven good one, bro, i never knew a face can be "tolerant and ignorant"
77thebob77 2 weeks ago
Hi, my name's Thomas. And you're a fag.
SelectionSeven 3 weeks ago
@SelectionSeven Hi, my name's Ashwin. And fuck you.
liquidfirekan5 2 weeks ago
@SelectionSeven shut up thomas, youre a failed abortion
77thebob77 2 weeks ago
did you check back to see if they relabled them into fiction? i would really like to know what happened after this
weliketoblazeit 3 weeks ago
Legend. I think the troll face should've been superimposed over his face the whole time lol
Avatard6000 3 weeks ago
"Let's see what happens..." A bunch of people looking for various books end up finding a Bible and then wondering "Hey why is there a Bible right here? It must be a sign." and then proceed to check out the Bible.
700bees 4 weeks ago
You accomplished nothing and wasted your time doing so. Very productive, sir.
ledzkreep 4 weeks ago
What?.. nothing happened!. All she says is "Appreciate It " Lame christians...
DontClickOnMyIcon 1 month ago
You should have left one in the restroom, on top of the toilet paper dispenser...
...just in case they run out. *LOL*
TheBiblebyANAtheist 1 month ago in playlist More videos from religiousantagonist
wtf is that scream from 0:42 to 0:48???
cerattos209 1 month ago
funny idea, could have been carried out better i suppose. idk. it was alright i guess
CrikeyTomatoes 1 month ago
This video is a favorite on Male
ogelioholde921r 1 month ago
This guy is either
A. A hubristic sociopath
B. One with fuckin balls!
atherutistgeekzombie 1 month ago
song??
ripsawedcunt 1 month ago
What I find disturbing is how did you managed not to put any bible in the erotic section... don't you have erotic literature in your libraries?
BlizBob 1 month ago
I don't like religions, but this kind of anarchism leads to nuclear holocaust.
wii2050 1 month ago
That was great!
themetalgod66683 1 month ago
Best part of this Video?
When she gives him the cart without even asking which books he's trying to reshelf. And then, when he brings it to the front desk's attention, AGAIN no real reaction.
AngelaJKerns 1 month ago 20
DUDEEE!! HHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAH!!!! YOUR...! SO...! FUCKING...! HILARIOUS...!!!!!! *dies from lack of air*
Quinnotistic 1 month ago
so much win.
30072743 1 month ago
Oh religion...will you EVER make any sense?
dkthg 1 month ago
Nilbud- Since youve made attacking Christians your lifes mission and you condone censoring our message then why dont you move to North Korea to be with the rest of your arrogant thugs and murderers? Would anal-retentive control freaks such as yourself who reject civil rights equality for all be happier with your Fearless Leaders mandatory atheism? Get packing.
ZEDSTODT2 1 month ago
@ZEDSTODT2 sorry, but in North Korea, a dead man is a god. It is just like Christianity
iliveon 1 month ago
This guy is a beast XD!
HybridD91 1 month ago
I would've put them next to Harry Potter
swampskater 2 months ago
shouldnt it be moved to the Crime section?
Barkeroni 2 months ago
Definitely a valuable public service.
sweetmonkeylove1 2 months ago
what happens if you make si-fi out of the bible? Scientology
LordShiding 2 months ago
we need people like this guy :)
naybobdenod 2 months ago
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It's probably a good thing this guy put bibles into the wrong section. Now, there is a greater chance someone will read it. Thanks antagonist guy¡¡¡
tnmusicman1 2 months ago
You could just switch the labels.
thesilentskeptic 2 months ago
hahaha thats awesome,
sled1950 2 months ago
When you live in the dark, the light hurts.
YourLocalRealist 2 months ago
Perhaps you shoudl rename yourself the librarian antagonist.
michalchik 2 months ago
Yeh, but fiction is filed by author or editors. Who do you files them under.
michalchik 2 months ago
Do a follow up when you go back and check if they're still in fiction and complain if they aren't.
TheChefMon 2 months ago
most of you ant-religious zealots are as bad as the over-religious zealots. if you read the Word you would realize it does instruct tolerance, Love even to thine enemy, and of HIS Grace and mercy even to those against him and those who have strayed from him. to say it is destructive and fictional only accounts to your hypocrisy. if you don't believe that's your choice... you were given free will just don't forget, before the mass persecutions by religion there was mass persecution of religion
mellakat 2 months ago
you are more intolerant than right wing religious fanatics. i understand your non belief and that's fine... believe what you want. but don't be that hypocrite and push that non-belief on those whom believe that jesus is our lord and savior. you say we are intolerant yet you make intolerant remarks of our religion also by lumping every christian belief structure into one with those who spread perversions of the word. which i'm sure your convictions have lead you to act in kind
mellakat 2 months ago
Dude, they would get upset no matter what you were moving?
PAVMATHIE 2 months ago
Is there a reason you only chose to attack the Bible, and the beliefs of Christ-centered religions? If you're gonna make outrageous claims, at least stay consistent and go against all the "myths" of the world. I want to see the Koran, The Book of Mormon, the Book of Shadows, and more included in your attacks. As a side note, I enjoyed watching the librarians' refusal to be confrontational with you, despite your best attempts.
Beastaclops 2 months ago
@Beastaclops
Fair enough...ALL THE MYTHS AND RELIGIONS OF THE WORLD ARE IDIOTIC
Christianity gets targeted the most, because in the U.S. it is the one most in our faces pretending to be fact and trying to influence gov policies
whiteowl1415 2 months ago
@Beastaclops How many muslims and mormons are in our country? It would be illogical for him to blast those religions when most of our population is christian.
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LMAO well done mate
Casshyr 2 months ago
Were they seriously in the history section!?!
HomestarRunner20X6 2 months ago
@HomestarRunner20X6
In fairness...
a. The Bible des contain some real god historical reference once you weed out the magical bullcrap.
b. History sections also include World Cultures
whiteowl1415 2 months ago
@HomestarRunner20X6 Excuse the typos
whiteowl1415 2 months ago
Fire the camera guy who's filming the camera guy, hahaha.
LegionIscariot 2 months ago
Ya it is because your puting a religion book of a religious group in a section that discrimates people of that religion in a public place
asebrookb 2 months ago
You just broke the law called Freedom of Religion! I'm filing a police report
asebrookb 2 months ago
@asebrookb He didn't break any laws. All he did was move some books. Would it be any different if he moved the Harry Potter books to the history section? Or, perhaps moving the dictionary to the fiction section?
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Why is this video in the: Entertainment Category.
YouTube needs a Category: Boring
IlluminatiLand 2 months ago
@start12poop
Humans are clearly distinct from animals (and no, I'm not talking about physical differences here). Though I can see how your understanding of the definition of "animal" differs from mine. The same would go with the Hebrew word translated as "bird" to refer to any flying creature. I've proven my point and reject the definition of man derived from a strictly Darwinist mindset. That would be respectful, unlike disturbing order in a public library (which is punishable by law btw).
MichaelGabrielR 2 months ago
@MichaelGabrielR
Despite all the big words you use, you talk like a relimuppet that believes in fairytales
sonykroket 2 months ago
@sonykroket
At least I don't have to invent neologisms to convey my ideas.
A quick Google search reveals that you, "sonykroket", are the only person on the entire Internet (as of 08.12.2011) that's using the term "relimuppet". For your information, I'm not the pope's plaything and the fact I choose to be on Christ's side is a conscious decision based on thankfulness, which is was caused by the belief in my pardon through his sacrifice. You're just being historically ignorant and comfy about it.
MichaelGabrielR 2 months ago
@MichaelGabrielR
I really dont care what you think and at least im original.
You choose to be on christs side eh? Ok, i'm on Spidermans side, he kicks jebus butt everyday
You just dont want to hear about a lack of evidence for the ole hipster. No matter what people say, dorkies like you will always force themselves to believe unproven crap
I feel sorry for you
sonykroket 2 months ago
@sonykroket
Superman is a fictional character, created by two guys for a comic book. Historicity of Jesus, on the other hand, is universally agreed upon in scientific circles, even by atheists (with a few exceptions, who would believe just about anything).
Even if he was real, Superman is weak to a rock. Jesus is God and is unbeatable unless it was his plan to be defeated (which thankfully it was).
You won't find any evidence for the same reason a criminal won't find a cop, not that you can't.
MichaelGabrielR 2 months ago
@MichaelGabrielR
Jesus was very likely real...and truely a great philosopher.
It is just unfortunate that those who came after him had to turn it into supernatural propoganda bull crap that only the utterly uneducated would take at face value
whiteowl1415 2 months ago
@whiteowl1415
If Jesus wasn't God, then his message was that of a liar or a madman, not a "great philosopher". This is how the authorities of that day viewed him and tried to dispose of him, because he called himself God (and proved himself), preformed miracles and was a threat to the reputation of religious leaders everywhere ("god-emperors" included).
It's sad that people keep overlooking how unlikely (if impossible) was that his entire life and its elements where faked (birth, death etc).
MichaelGabrielR 2 months ago
@MichaelGabrielR
If Jesus wasn't God, then his message was that of a religious reforist and exagerted by later followers since we don't have his word on it, only thier interpretations of it.
There is the one side that says ALL TRUUE
Another that says ALL FALSE.
I see the Bible like the Iliad...alot of mystical bullcrap cheapening a true story at its core
whiteowl1415 2 months ago
@MichaelGabrielR
Now as to.."This is how the authorities of that day viewed him and tried to dispose of him,"
Judea was constantly in rebelion against the Roman Empire from well before Jesus, and people kept claiming to be the Messiah to spur such rebelions. Rome was sick of it. Here comes yet anthor Jewish laeder with a following, they wanted him gone.
And if he hadn't "desecrated" the temple they wouldn't have had a charge against him
whiteowl1415 2 months ago
@MichaelGabrielR And all this STILL doesn't change the fact that the probability that the miracle accounts actually happened compared to the probability that it was all a fraud is still X>1:0 in favor of fraud (Until someone can show me evidence by invoking the power of Christ).
Warkiam 2 months ago
@Warkiam
That was my entire point - by the rules of the world we live in, miracles cannot happen, ever, not arguments about it, because miracles are by definition supernatural. Since you dismiss all evidence of any outside force or entity, you have a problem, because you limited your thinking by your own worldview. Think outside of the naturalistic box.
MichaelGabrielR 2 months ago
@MichaelGabrielR My worldview is that of the observable universe. The one in which we can observe, interact with, and understand. In other words, the only universe that matters. Nature is the physical world, the observable universe....Existence as we know it. So yes, you are correct in saying that God is beyond existence. And obviously I will not waste my time researching something that will yield no results. Science does shit. Therein lies our difference.
Warkiam 2 months ago
@Warkiam
Why should we believe that miracles, by definition being supernatural, are possible by nature? We do however believe that miracles have a physical impact on our world, otherwise they would be called "delusions". You are wrong to say that God is beyond existence, because he wouldn't be able to create or reveal himself - nothing doesn't do anything. You have still much to live before you will notice what really matters. Keep that in mind and resume your studies. Life will surprise you.
MichaelGabrielR 2 months ago
@MichaelGabrielR You got it.....They ARE delusions. God CAN'T do anything (He hasn't yet, if he indeed exists), at least, not anything we can prove. Why should we believe that miracles, by definitions being supernatural, are possible in our universe...Which consists only of the natural? Those that exists, exists....Those that don't, don't...It's that simple.
Warkiam 2 months ago
@Warkiam
Well, that's your honest opinion, but the evidence speaks for itself and you won't change it by believing in the contrary, the same way how the Earth was always spherical, even through people thought it was flat. Your all-natural universe is like that flat earth worldview, which by making a honest observation of reality, becomes obsolete. BTW, that "bronze age" book of "primitive" "delusional" "tent dwellers" speaks of an expanding universe and a round Earth suspended in space.
MichaelGabrielR 2 months ago
@MichaelGabrielR The all-natural world view IS the honest view of reality. It is the only world view supported by empirical EVIDENCE (which, by the way, I have yet to see proof of existence for God). It is the ONLY world view supported by science. Science is the methodology we use to the study of NATURE. In case it wasn't obvious enough, we spent the last few posts discussing how there is NO substantial evidence believing in the claims of miracles, much less an omnipotent creator. [CONT]
Warkiam 2 months ago
@MichaelGabrielR Your book DOESN'T explain the expansion of the universe. It makes no attempt to explain dark energy, the stretching of space time, and the big bang theory. There is a reason why people can't just look at the bible and come up with "cosmic expansion" (though they might come up with "frankenstein theory" for abiogenesis). All there is is a vague reference to how the universe popped out from nowhere and is infinitely large...Something a CHILD can tell you w/o knowing anything.
Warkiam 2 months ago
@MichaelGabrielR 1) The bible talks of the 4 corners of the earth. Explain. 2) Earth is in no way perfectly suspended to anything. The frames of reference (distance specifically) with earth relative to every other object in the universe is always changing. 3) We knew the earth was round and that it was in space since the babylonians...And they did it through..Oh guess what? MATH! Did god tell them? Oh, only if God is math.
Warkiam 2 months ago
@Warkiam
Well, I agree that "God did it" is not much of an explanation, but it does mention expanding universe. It does explain things like "mountains" under the sea and the hydrological cycle. However, the Bible is a religious book first and foremost, meant to point us towards the Messiah, not to explain everything there is. 1) NEWS 2) hanged on nothing aka not hanged on anything aka in space 3) God included a lot of things in a man, like the concept of good and infinity
MichaelGabrielR 2 months ago
@MichaelGabrielR 1) Elaborate. 2) You used the word suspended... Which means held at a constant distant relative to another object. Earth is not suspended to anything, it is falling in the sun's gravitational field and is drawing closer to it. You do realize that the bible was not the first sign of us being disillusioned by the flat earth world veiw? And you realize that anyone who doesnt hold on to flat earth world veiw would have to be an idiot to not realize earth is in space. [CONT]
Warkiam 2 months ago
@MichaelGabrielR 3) What relevance does this have to do with anything I just said? There is nothing even remotely useful in the bible for the progress of science, let alone profound. Like I said, there is a reason it is people pulling vague references from the book after scientific discovery, and not researchers looking at book for discovery. So you read your book, and I'll do my research. :D
Warkiam 2 months ago
@Warkiam
Are you an American? I imagine that English became an obstacle for you and you're picking on words. The Bible wasn't even written in English, so we go bats as "birds" etc. 1) North, East, West, South - now and always, the four "corners" of the Earth. 2) See above. 3) Man calculated this with math. Good job, but we where equipped to do so by our creator. People believed in many things, but God was able to show us stuff beyond our knowledge (eg. future), before we got to know them.
MichaelGabrielR 2 months ago
@MichaelGabrielR No. I am Asian. However, that is irrelevant, because I wasn't picking on the bible in that instance, I was picking on your misuse of the word suspended. 1) Directions become corners? Thats a stretch, even by translations. 2) It's STILL not suspended to anything. 3) This turns back into a "But God did it"...It doesn't explain anything. Also, pre-recognition doesn't exist. God wasn't able to show us anything we didn't already know. [CONT]
Warkiam 2 months ago
@MichaelGabrielR Like I said, the bible has NO explanatory value to ANYTHING related to science. It makes no attempt to explain the processes. All you have is vague references that *could* potentially refer to another discovery IF you interpret it figuratively...and pull words out of their context. [CONT]
Warkiam 2 months ago
@MichaelGabrielR Actually, most math was created by Greeks and Muslims.
MrWigglyy 1 month ago
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@MichaelGabrielR
"You have still much to live before you will notice what really matters. Keep that in mind and resume your studies. Life will surprise you." This is what I love about religion...They claim to have an answer to life, in the form of a non answer that has no explanatory power. The things that matter in life (to me) are my relationship with my family, friends, and community and the state of our well being.
Warkiam 2 months ago
@MichaelGabrielR
Again, there is no evidence for jebus outside myth and rumor
I know relimuppets are too brainwashed to face reality but you sure like to lay it on
sonykroket 2 months ago
@sonykroket
There is no reason to think Jesus wasn't a real man, but also no reason to think he was more than that.
whiteowl1415 2 months ago
@whiteowl1415
Well, i like things like evidence
And jebus doesnt seem to have much to prove his existence
sonykroket 2 months ago
@sonykroket
true...the only convincing source I have found thus far is Josephus...and he dosn't say much on it at all,
The reason he is convinceing of thier being a Jesus, is that he is discussing the Trail of James and only mentions Jesus as a side note that he and James were Brothers
whiteowl1415 2 months ago
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To me it's all a bunch of irrelevant reli-nonsense anyways
Who cares, it's the past
sonykroket 2 months ago
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@whiteowl1415 '
To me it's all a bunch of irrelevant reli-nonsense anyways
Who cares, it's the past
sonykroket 2 months ago
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@whiteowl1415 '
To me it's all a bunch of irrelevant reli-nonsense anyways
Who cares, it's the past
sonykroket 2 months ago
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@whiteowl1415 '
To me it's all a bunch of irrelevant reli-nonsense anyways
Who cares, it's the past
sonykroket 2 months ago
@whiteowl1415 You do realize that any contradictory stories were omitted? Only "canonized" bits of unrelated,unverified,anonymous text were added to the bible, none of which is independently verifiable.
I don't think there is a single thing in the bible that is independently verifiable outside of itself. If there is, please share. Oh, and bible study groups don't count. The operative word is "independently".
AlphaDogmatist 2 months ago
@AlphaDogmatist
Josephus...not the later editing by the actual origional Josephus work stated that brought to trial was "James, brother of Jesus who some called teh Christ"
This does not verify any miracles, Jesus was a common name at the time so its not odd, and the brief, almost sidenote aspect of it rather than the spotlight we usualy see adds credance.
Don't get me wrong, IF he was real, we are still looking at 90% bulcrap in the story
whiteowl1415 2 months ago
@AlphaDogmatist
"I don't think there is a single thing in the bible that is independently verifiable"
Also, by this statement I pressume that you are only refering to the Jesus part and not the Bible as a whole...
Much like the works o Homer, the Bible does contain some good history scattered within its mythology,
whiteowl1415 2 months ago
MichaelGabrielR 2 months ago
@MichaelGabrielR
All fuckin fairytales, dorkie. Bronze-age comicbooks written by opiumsmoking petty violent goatherders.
Prove Spiderman™ doesn't exist
sonykroket 2 months ago
@sonykroket
It doesn't work that way.
I have an extraordinary claim and I provide you with supporting evidence. The people where eye witnesses to the events and where dying for something they've actually seen, the creeds where shown too early to be corrupted by myth, it was better for everyone to just shut up, impossible to fake, proven by miracles, prophecy, historical accounts of friend and foe alike.
You believe otherwise - I understand that and I can't fix that, but stop being an asshole.
MichaelGabrielR 2 months ago
@MichaelGabrielR
All anecdotes and hearsay, we can never verify or duplicate it. I can say i've heard monkeys fly out of peoples butts because they told me.
Try again
sonykroket 2 months ago
@MichaelGabrielR
Thallus and Phlegon: No origional mateial, only known through 2 Christian biased sources
Pliny the Younger, Suetonius, and Tacitus: Never Verifiy Jesus...Only that there were Christians (That we know already)
Mara Bar-Serapion: Never mentions Jesus and is not a historian of any type
Lucian, Celsus, Talmud, Toledot Yeshu: All WAY to far removed from the source
Josephus: Only one 1/2 credible
Try looking at sources instead of copy paste
whiteowl1415 2 months ago
@whiteowl1415
I've actually looked at the quotes. They've spread contradictory rumors to discredit Jesus, but aside from sounding like any other angry unbeliever, these guys give no doubt too whether Jesus actually existed. Early Christians are a great evidence, because they where Christ's contemporaries, could get killed for their faith, it went against their culture's beliefs, and they had better access to evidence on the spot. Do me a favor and look up "Christ myth theory" on wikiquote.
MichaelGabrielR 2 months ago
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@MichaelGabrielR
"They've spread contradictory rumors to discredit Jesus,"
I can personaly verify that Tacitus and Josephus did no such thing as I am very familiar with thier work...the others, I would not pressume to state such a thing on.
"Early Christians are a great evidence"
By that logic early Greeks = Hercules
"it went against their culture's beliefs"
Rome was religiously tolerant, the problem was Christians wouldn't pay taxes and Jews rebeled alot
And rebeled alot
Cont.
whiteowl1415 2 months ago
@MichaelGabrielR
Do understand that I merely agruse a lack of concrete evidence.
The circumstantial evidence we discuss is enough to convince me of a MAN named Jesus, who was a philisophical revolutionary and I am quite impressed by him...but I find no reason to beleive the tales of devinity
whiteowl1415 2 months ago
@whiteowl1415
You have a good point. Rumors could have spread, accounts exaggerated and the miracles faked, but I stress the question of how likely is this the case? Who would have profited from it? If it was for material welfare, then they would have not gone through such persecutions? The main message of Jesus was that He is God and the foretold savior. That's what killed him. Based on his sacrificial love, he taught us how to love others. If he wasn't God, he would be a liar or a madman.
MichaelGabrielR 2 months ago
@MichaelGabrielR
'how likely is this the case?"
As likely as it was for Homer's Iliad. We have evidence there was a Trojan war, but we don't think Odyseus really visted an isle where a witch turned his sailors into animals
"Who would have profited from it?"
The people gathering loayal followers for a religion gather a powerbase along with it
"He is God and the foretold savior'
Actualy the main message was Love thy Neighbor, Ghandi taught taht as well
whiteowl1415 2 months ago
@MichaelGabrielR
"If it was for material welfare, then they would have not gone through such persecutions?"
Over time people beleive strong enough for that
"Based on his sacrificial love"
Rome sentenced him for sedition thinking he was stirring rebelion, not a sacrifice.
He didn't resist it, but then neither did Socrates
"he would be a liar or a madman"
I tend towards he was honest but people lied to take advantage of it later.
whiteowl1415 2 months ago
@MichaelGabrielR Here's what we scientists do, we test stuff. Try spreading rumors, exaggerating accounts, and faking miracles. Then try actually invoking the power of Christ to preform a supernatural feat. Come back and tell me the probability from the ratio in your recorded results. The ratio of divine feats to rumor, exaggeration, and fraud should give you an accurate understanding of the probability. You'll soon realize conspiracy sounds mighty good compared to impossibility.
Warkiam 2 months ago
@Warkiam
This ratio is quite interesting, because that might give a reasonable answer to why the majority of religions are wrong.
MichaelGabrielR 2 months ago
@MichaelGabrielR I don't know about you, but the ratio of success when I compare fraud to miracles has always proven to be X>1:0 respectively. How is it any more likely for a man to walk on water than it is for people to simply spread a rumor that a man can walk on water?
Warkiam 2 months ago
@Warkiam
And then what is more likely - to walk on water or to raise a rotting corpse (Lazarus) from the grave? The unlikeliness of an event doesn't dismiss its occurrence. Furthermore, if done by God, who is able to mess around with his creation as he pleases, we would expect from him things that bend the physical laws. Also, there where numerous miracles preformed on people disabled form their youth and Jesus himself appeared resurrected before hundreds of witnesses, no wonder the news spread.
MichaelGabrielR 2 months ago
@MichaelGabrielR
Jesus=lying gay zombie
You=fly on peanut in lying gay zombies turd
sonykroket 2 months ago
@sonykroket
And what does that make you? After all, what comes from the mouth comes from the heart, they say. Was that the reason you've set up your troll account?
MichaelGabrielR 2 months ago
@MichaelGabrielR
I don't have other accounts but i guess you do, projecting bibledorkie. Slip of the tongue there perhaps?
We know relimuppets are lying cheating dipshits and i guess you're just one of em
So again, why are you an idiot and how does it feel to be one
sonykroket 2 months ago
@sonykroket
Based on the criteria of identifying a troll account, I might have raised a false alarm. Maybe you are yet another religious* fundamentalist (the real thing, not merely a troll), filled with hatred towards other beliefs (well, not just the beliefs, but other people as well) and, as your channel reveals, pushing your atheistic doctrine to politics, education and science.
*Controversial as it may seem (and as you will see), atheism is recognized as a religion worldwide.
MichaelGabrielR 2 months ago
@MichaelGabrielR
Yes we know relimuppets try to label everyone who doesnt agree with them as trolls.
In the old days you maggots would just kill us but now you cant do that anymore so you play the victim.
You are so full of shit with your atheism being a religion. I understand bible and qurandorkies can only think in terms of reli-labels but guess what.
We're not all insane like you clowns are
sonykroket 2 months ago
@sonykroket
Well, shame on you then, because below you can see comments far more respectful, coming from an atheist, of all things (who could have just spew the same hateful nonsense I got from you). Take notes and enjoy your inner monologue, because this conversation is over.
MichaelGabrielR 2 months ago
@MichaelGabrielR
I dont give a shit whos a good atheist or not so you can shove your little authoritycrap up ye anus.
Haha, i guess youre a relichicken, who are you to decide if a conversation is over
I see you post crap, i'll adress you to it
sonykroket 2 months ago
@MichaelGabrielR
"Rumors could have spread, accounts exaggerated and the miracles faked, but I stress the question of how likely is this the case?"
"The unlikeliness of an event doesn't dismiss its occurrence." And this, my friend, is called moving the goal-post.
Warkiam 2 months ago
@Warkiam
You're ripping my words out of context.
The first quote is about how Christianity started and it deals with how likely is to fake one's birth, third (often enemy) parties, mind reading, bringing a rotten corpse to life, getting back to life after going through crucifixion, converting a 1st century "hitler" and going on despite severe persecution.
The second quote is about the possibility of miracles - can't happen if we take the naturalistic view. What explanation there is if they did?
MichaelGabrielR 2 months ago
@MichaelGabrielR How can I rip them out of context if I just quote them?
Your first statement was comparing the likelihood of miracles (such as raising the dead and supernatural powers like mind reading) actually happening compared to the likelihood of them being faked. The likelihood of someone faking these accounts COMPARED to the likelihood of these feats actually happening is pretty much X>1:0 in favor of fraud. In that case, we have a 100% probability.
Warkiam 2 months ago
@MichaelGabrielR Your second statement is an attempt to evade the subject; Impossibility vs Conspiracy. Take your pick. If everyone in your family, or even the whole world, told you that your Great-Great Grandpa was a duck, the possibility of your grandpa being a duck is still 0%...Despite what they say. Likewise, claims such as Jesus walking on water vs it just being a hoax or exaggerated follows the same suit.
Warkiam 2 months ago
@Warkiam
Yes, you can misrepresent one's position just by using their exact words. It's called "Manipulative Editing". There was a possibility of starting a fake religion, while it's quite impossible to bend physics at your will in 1st century AD. The second backs up the first - if the miracles are real, then his claims where true and there's a reason to believe him.
FYI, we're dealing with the supernatural creator of the universe (not an animal) and walking in the middle of the Sea of Galilee.
MichaelGabrielR 2 months ago
@MichaelGabrielR There is no reason to believe the miracles are real. It is not only more plausible that the miracles were hoaxes. Your reason to believe the miracles is because you believe the claims and accounts to be true. Your reason to believe the claims and accounts is you believe the miracles to be true. Circular logic. FYI, we are talking about an analogy. The fact of the matter is truth is not dictated by democracy. You will fall no matter how many people tell you can fly.
Warkiam 2 months ago
@Warkiam
Oh, the old argument "the Bible is true because it says so". In fact, God asks people to test whether his words are true. There where several predictions, like the destruction of Jerusalem and Nineveh. This is recorded in ancient history and obviously there where contemporaries to witness these events coming to pass. Then again, I could have believed that all historians are liars and we live in a different world where these cities never existed until now. So who should I trust?
MichaelGabrielR 2 months ago
@MichaelGabrielR Right, and all my experiments on his powers in prayer have yet to yield a positive result. He has yet to reconcile with science. Infact, his followers, namely you, do not even believe that his miracles are even possible by nature. There are several whether predictions that are right... And there are more correct weather forcasts than there are prophecies fullfilled in revelations (even those only meet vague interpretations).
Warkiam 2 months ago
GOD IS REAL DUDE WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT THE BIBLE SAYS THAT GOD NAMED AND KNOWS EVERY STAR AND HE STILL KNOWS YOU FOOLS
goldenhawk952 2 months ago
@goldenhawk952 You better be trolling. If you really believe in the God because the bible tells you, I may as well believe murder is right, because Charles Manson says so.
MrFrakYou 2 months ago 13
they make you look like a douch, those clever librarians
KempsGrl 3 months ago
CHRISTOPHOBIA runs deep in this guys life.
bornagain001 3 months ago
LoL ! That is one way to get Hated by people HAHA! :) I personally wouldn't care that much about this.
2RayneR7 3 months ago
So... Can you do everyone a favor and move this video to "animals" section of YouTube? The "I disagree with it" seems to be a reason enough for you and, based on what you believe, you shouldn't be offended anyway...
MichaelGabrielR 3 months ago
The bible actually belongs to RPG section...what? it's clearly a setting for one messed up RP!
Wharwulif 3 months ago
The bible doesn't belong in the historical section, it belongs in the religious section, sure, it is fiction but the last one was such an asshole thing to do.
offwithurhead 3 months ago
As an atheist I would like to say no matter what don't mess with the library. It is my church.
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I'm all for militant atheism. Some of your work seems a little outlandish. This one borders on the asshole line. I would like to see atheists going door to door with nice ties.
derman077 3 months ago
@derman077 it's almost like you have to be an asshole, most christians are so ignorant anything you tell them that questions their beliefs, no matter how logic, is the work of satan.
G0JETSG0 3 months ago
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(I wanted to say that I like this video but I don't mean to interrupt this lovely conversation. ^^)
LootFragg 3 months ago
Mike is the Chuck Norris of Atheists, I love him.
Thermingt0n 3 months ago
In the beginning God created the Earth. Boom Non-Fiction, its pretty easy brothers.
NaziJuice 3 months ago
@NaziJuice Or Allah or Atum, or Ptah or Unkulunkulu or Mbombo or Nanabozho or Virococha or El or Esege Malan or Kamuy or Amenominakanushi or Kotoamatsukami or Izanagi or Marduk or Vishvakarmen or Bor or Rangi/Papa or Brahma or Vinshu or Shiva or Pangu or Waheguru or Nammu or Tiamat or Chaos or Gaia or Ouranos or I could keep going on. Just to be safe though, until we find out for sure, we'll keep these in the fiction section.
DamienZshadow 3 months ago
@DamienZshadow Oh so you were there, well then tell us what happened. Everyone knows God created Adam and Eve in the garden of eden. They had one rule not to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Of course that was after God created the heavens and the earth and spake "let there be light" then he created an expanse between the water and the air called land.
NaziJuice 3 months ago
@NaziJuice Oh no I certainly wasn't there but neither were you. Yet you act as if you know the origin but neither of us do. All we do know is the details after creation by tracing back what we can observe. We can see stars that are older than this planet by many billions of years. That simple fact cannot be denied. Also, I don't care what they believe just as long as they don't try to pass it as an established fact. And I'm sorry but I haven't seen a soul as of yet, can you show me one?
DamienZshadow 3 months ago
@DamienZshadow "All we do know is the details after creation by tracing back what we can observe." Do you know, really? Or is it an assumption founded on a belief that scientists know/proved this truth? No, I am afraid, nobody will be able to show a soul to you. You have to stay open minded. Start with Plato, and move on. Be smart, stay simple. Best wishes.
UnlimitedStoopidnes 3 months ago