Just phenomenal, completely amazing anybody who says this is lacking musicality does not understand how each of these techniques could be implemented in a normal piece, and shown all in one setting is more impressive. All I've gotta say is fantastic, and as for Redman not being able to reach the partial at the very end, I've been there before and by that time I'm sure his reed had called it quits.
I just asked a professional plate I know who some good "crazy players" were. Coincidentally these were the first two name's he gave me. I always thought I was the only knew who played like that because I've never heard anything so brilliant in my life. from the sound of this performance I think they play two different styles so people shouldn't be saying one smoked the other. However each one does have qualities that appear to be more represented in this video. I was really digging the mid rang
this duo is the shit... they can swing with the best of them... proud to say I've seen them both perform... wish I had seen them together... thanks for posting!
sorry, didn't make it past 5:40. and don't feed me no elitist jazz talk, i love jazz, swing and big band, just got tired of the two trying to showboat one another. and if i had to choose, I was a little more moved by carter's playin, though i usually like redman.
"If you got the technique and I got a good sound, I'll beat you every time. You can play a thousand notes and I can play one note and wipe you out." That's what Dewey Redman said. All About It....
The negative comments tell me that good music is beyond many unfortunates who will sadly never get it. Listen to the notes and you may discover magic but then maybe you won't. Instead of disliking, go back to your electronica and metal. This is real live acoustic music, brilliantly played and you are obviously on the wrong channel.
@daverow49 So basically is what you are saying is that you are better than everyone else, because you enjoy watching two guys masturbate musically on stage
I like a lot this video!!! What a body has the sound of James Carter, it blows away Joshua Redman!!! Incredible!!! I never see Carter plays like this.....I feel more american the sound of Carter, I don´t know if he uses here an american horn but it seems to do it....
No real musicality here, just athletics. Its admirable that these guys have such control over their instruments, but they should be ashamed for performing in such a tasteless manner
@TheAdawg1789 Don't be such a prude. They're just doing some JATP style shredding. It's all in good fun and certainly there is heaps of musicality to be found here.
@qsaras1 In the JATP recordings which i believe you are referencing one can hear the musicians developing new avenues of improvisation in real time. In my opinion this is what makes those recordings so exciting. It's quite the opposite here; both musicians are using the vocabulary of past masters, and not in a particularly innovative fashion. Not that there is anything particularly wrong with this, but it means that more attention should go towards crafting logical, concise solos
JC is blowing a 'BLASHAUS' 1926/27 Conn New Wonder hybrid with Yamaha/Custom keys by Martin Suter on a Pan Am neck with custom Buck Rogers octave mech on a lawton 7* bb. JC now blows a Lawton 11*BB 'special' (bronze).Crazy stuff but dead easy with the best gear. J
Woah.... Both of those guys are true masters on the tenor. Very different from each other, but both masters in their own right. I feel lucky to live in the same time as these greats.... I've got no words to describe that video. All that I can even do to react is to go play tenor until dawn.....
Has anyone transcribed this yet? And what sax is Carter playing on? At first I thought this was a Conn (because of the split bell keys) but it has a modern G# cluster.
A certain empathy between these two great musicians. Note Carter's copy of double-note playing at 2:30 to mimic Redman's earlier use of them. His ears (and feet) are listening intently while Redman is playing! Awesome playing by both men who are capable of feeding off each other.
@bashong122 disagreed sorry. i think the brain has to be involved at a conscious level. that's how we generate ideas, decide where we're heading next melodically and how you're going to construct a solo. without that you're playing just ends up being a whole bunch of lick and patterns you've practiced the shit out of, not true improvisation IMO
@Muse333 But this way the projected rivalry entices more views. Who wouldn't want to see a sax battle between two greats? The more people who get to hear this, the better. But it truly is a straight up jam. They're just chillin
both of these guys are two of the best jazz musicians on the planet... however i see a difference between them... redman seems to be more into the musicality of the solo, where as carter is completely devoted to the technical difficulty of his solos.
Carter has better sound effects and follows the scales up and down, but Redman has better syncopation, jazzy rythmns and scale jumping ability in my opinion. Both are top notch players. I love when Redman smiles at 5:22 because he knows he'd be battling Carter on his "turf" if he tried to keep up "tit for tat" on the sound effects. Each resort to their own "mastery" which makes this song more complete as a whole. Fanjazztic!
This performance really demonstrates the difference between these two. Redman is a musician, Carter is a performer. I go to shows to hear musicians. I go to the circus to see performers.
And I bet James Carter wasn't happy that Redman also knew every single one of his smoke-and-mirrors tricks.
Carter has that lack of inhibition that reminds me so much of Sonny Rollins. Like there's no brain involved whatsoever (in the best way possible), everything just comes out without getting clouded by overthinking, just raw, unbridled musicality. Having said that, Redman has done some of the best recordings of the last ten years. Some might view it as a "battle," I view it as one of the greatest delights on Earths.
@bashong122 can you tell 2 things well 3 !!! ? what is that touching of the reed that carter does everytime he rest ?. 2- why does joshua laughs when carter does a crazy sound in 5:25 ? 3. do you know how to make thee sax laugh like James does in 6:29 ?
@bashong122 I disagree about Redman making the best records in the last ten years. He's made some good to really good ones, but in my opinion he hasn't knocked anything out of the park.
Both great players, but Carter can be an amazing madman. I'm thinking of his soprano sax solo on 'Along Came Betty" which gets further and further over the top; every time you think he's run out of things to say, he goes one better... That said, I think "cutting contests" basically are not much about art, more about testosterone.
Aunque Joshua tiene un sonido mucho más bonito que James Carter, pero es mucho más convencional, mucho de lo de siempre. James Carter, en cambio, tiene un sonido mucho más personal, más vivo y juega con unas posibilidades más interesantes que Joshua, lo que es más apropiado para estos tiempos en los que interesa innovar. Sin embargo, como decía nuestro compañero en los comentarios " dos estilos diferentes pero compatibles..." Se pueden necesitar ambos estilos. Muchas gracias.
two very different cats, different styles and approaches, but both being absolute virtuosity on their instruments, amazing harmonic knowledge and both of course having impeccable ears on them
carter has the licks and the technique. Redman tried to emulate it... pulled it off a lot of the time but Carter comes out on top there. Carter wasn't as much melody friendly in this one. tells less of a story than redman. Carter did repeat some lines - not Redman.. but Carter does have a more range on the instrument. Would love to see a rematchh!!
@Gatorsfreak21 Well, just for the record, this is done before in a much better way by there ancestors. Listen to 'Mingus at Carnegie Hall' from 1974, especially 'Perdido' (22') with, hold your breath: George Adams, Hamiet Bluiett, Roland Kirk, John Handy, Ch. McPherson and John Faddis. They are only backed up by Mingus, Don Pullen and Dannie Richmond. And listen how Roland Kirk copies George Adams exact solo on 'C Jam Blues' (24'). Mingus called it: "He was cuttin' him at his own shit". Harsh!
Carter's got the technical ability, but Redman has the soul. Both are a hell of a lot better than me and I don't really see a loser, just two guys having a sick jam session
it's the band arrangement that sounds over-the-top to me.......how can anyone have a cutting contest like THAT????
a bit like two men running out and having a pistol duel on a hill that's being blasted by artillery.....what's the point when everything's going to hell anyway? (like this arrangement)
you know, I've been playing for three years, and I can do most of the things that James Carter exhibits in this video. The real talent (although both of them are amaing) lies with Redman. He not only exhibits an excellent tone, and mastery of his instrument (as it is way harder to play in the smooth flowing style that he does), but he "speaks" the language. His Improv contains words, ideas, and sentences whereas Carters contain squeaks.
Josh talked about this in a masterclass at Stanford Jazz Residency, he said he wouldn't do it again if he got called and that he found the whole concept of the tenor "battle" to be anti musical and that he'd tried to make the best of the experience, and also that he has huge respect for James.
I realize this isn't exactly a duel to prove the talent of one musician or another, but James Carter clearly overshadows Joshua Redman in this video. Carter makes it look so effortless. Redman is an outstanding saxophone player, but Carter is just so perfectly fluid. I've never heard a tenor player that can hit such amazingly high octave slurs and drop right down into a low C/Bb without even flinching. Incredible.
except the point "this is a great video" I totally disagree with adawg1789! they both don't "beat" each other, but interact and complement each other! you saw them smiling at 5:20 and thereafter? that has nothing to do with "gladiators"!
@MrKenobe Well I can't really prove this, but to me Redman's smiles look uncomfortable as though he realizes that the way they are playing is musically unconscionable, and James Carter's smile are clearly for the crowd and demonstrate what a "showman" he is.
I liked SOME of that stuff...but turned into a serious jerking off session... Some interesting sounds and technique..here and there.. Have to admit..it had me smilin'..? ..not exactly sure why..
@saxmaster25 Billie's Bounce at 2:29, I Mean You at 2:55. There are some other tune in there too, but I can't name them off the top of my head right now.
soooo this video is kind of like having ella fitzgerald sing next to janis joplin. ella sounds amazing while janis sings like she's got a cock in her mouth right? much like carter's tone. haaaahahahaha
soooo this video is kind of like having ella fitzgerald sing next to janis joplin. ella sounds like amazing while janis sings like she's got a cock in her mouth right? much like carter's tone. haaaahahahaha
Okay I have read many of the commnets, and let me clue some of you in. Tenor battles has been a jazz tradition for many years. The tenor sax is to jazz what the guitar is to country music. In jazz such duels are called "cutting heads". You had Rollins/Coltrane, Gordon/Ammons, Young/Hawkins and on and on. And don't think for one moment, that during any of those battles, the axe men were not playing to the crowd. After all it is the crowd who crowns the next Boss Tenor.
Of course it's only you're opinion, once again of what a "legit" musician is. I'm sure no "legit" Jazz musician such as the above, Trane, Lacy, Mingus etc. would give two pickles what you or your "legit" musicians looked down upon. Jazz has never been a extremely popular music anyhow, nor based on euro-centric music ideology. Continue peering down and the brothers and sisters will continue with the music as normal. I'm watching the vid. where Trane kicks Getz's ass - I mean share a moment. Ciao
@outersun All I meant was that saying that Trane or Sonny played to the crowd demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of their true legacy. If we truly consider jazz to be an art form, then we ought to hold jazz musicians to the same standard to which we hold other artists. The notion that jazz musicians simply should play "soulful" music divorced from the intellect and engineered to work the unthinking masses into a frenzy demonstrates belittles the music and those who create it
Good playing! Carter was meant to be the next "Great" in jazz some years back. His technique, range, knowledge of the tradition, and multi-instrumental mastery were unmatched. Good to see Redman step out of the soporific confines of MOR jazz and show that he is his father's son.
Both sound awesome. I've yet to experience Carter (only because I haven't bought any of his stuff), but I'm a huge Redman fan. I think I just became a Carter fan as well.
Redman destroyed Carter, no competition. In my opinion, Carter should stick to bari. His tone on bari is unmatched, but you cannot beat Redman when it comes to tenor. Tone alone wins it, not to mention substance.
In terms of technical mastery, I'd say that Carter wins. Personally though, I like Redman. His solos sound better as a whole. Carter does have his moments, but his solo feels more segmented. Like he finds a good idea, but he doesn't roll with it, he just drops it and goes for something else. They're both amazing, its really just a judgment call.
1st to 2nd chorus by Joshua in key of F. Hah.
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radleyholla71b 1 week ago
Just phenomenal, completely amazing anybody who says this is lacking musicality does not understand how each of these techniques could be implemented in a normal piece, and shown all in one setting is more impressive. All I've gotta say is fantastic, and as for Redman not being able to reach the partial at the very end, I've been there before and by that time I'm sure his reed had called it quits.
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ignaciofulle49 3 weeks ago
i find joshua's parts much more interesting
icmjazz 3 weeks ago
Two words: Bad Ass.
learnsomejazz 1 month ago
Why is there a random picture of Paul Gonsalves at 3:00?
Thundermonkeyms 1 month ago
3:25 joshua quotes a sonny rollins lick from a recording of tenor madness. found it as interesting...
djjjamin 1 month ago
I just asked a professional plate I know who some good "crazy players" were. Coincidentally these were the first two name's he gave me. I always thought I was the only knew who played like that because I've never heard anything so brilliant in my life. from the sound of this performance I think they play two different styles so people shouldn't be saying one smoked the other. However each one does have qualities that appear to be more represented in this video. I was really digging the mid rang
chazzles93 1 month ago
Toma no meu viu...
LJPSAX99 1 month ago in playlist sonny rollings, james carter, kanny garret....
Come on guys, can't we leave the judgments aside and just see two amazing musicians (they are) having a hell of a time?
Soulive25 2 months ago
Carter smokes redman...
saxophile1 2 months ago
本格的なジャズのフルバンドの演奏がユーチューブできけるとは？
感激
za90271 2 months ago
they aren't competing, those cats are just boppin'
Patsax251 3 months ago
this duo is the shit... they can swing with the best of them... proud to say I've seen them both perform... wish I had seen them together... thanks for posting!
debash1234 3 months ago 2
The look on Redman's face at 5:25 haha
Coronas135 3 months ago 2
Its clear those 30 dislikes, are people who pissed their pants while playing a solo on the sax
mrsmedols 4 months ago
James Carter is my cousin seriously
0rYEm 4 months ago 2
sorry, didn't make it past 5:40. and don't feed me no elitist jazz talk, i love jazz, swing and big band, just got tired of the two trying to showboat one another. and if i had to choose, I was a little more moved by carter's playin, though i usually like redman.
sachary 4 months ago
ı saw that
ayteksermet1 4 months ago
Excellente version de ce standard avec 2 solistes exceptionnels!
Jean2449 5 months ago
"If you got the technique and I got a good sound, I'll beat you every time. You can play a thousand notes and I can play one note and wipe you out." That's what Dewey Redman said. All About It....
Buszu00 5 months ago
The negative comments tell me that good music is beyond many unfortunates who will sadly never get it. Listen to the notes and you may discover magic but then maybe you won't. Instead of disliking, go back to your electronica and metal. This is real live acoustic music, brilliantly played and you are obviously on the wrong channel.
daverow49 5 months ago
@daverow49 So basically is what you are saying is that you are better than everyone else, because you enjoy watching two guys masturbate musically on stage
TheAdawg1789 4 months ago
I wish Carter's studio work represented his abilities better.
ledzepfan11 6 months ago
The Impossible!! :)
Kubissax 6 months ago
The insanity starts at 6:18. Lol, they're just goofing off. XD
I wish I could do that.
Thundermonkeyms 6 months ago
the back rounds are way to loud
lenardsimpson 6 months ago
1:06 Donna Lee quote.
TheIzzysteve 7 months ago
Absolutely raw....Love it.
drumz47 7 months ago
I like the expression on JC's face when he hits the #11 at 0:59 ...he's like, 'yeah, you like that, don't you, bitch' haha
djkcel 7 months ago
3:25 awesome:D flageolets ftw;)
Lixxe1 7 months ago
what we need is carter vs redman vs chris potter :D
walsh93jazz 7 months ago 12
@walsh93jazz no, what we need is carter vs redman vs chris potter vs eric alexander
dsaxman71 3 months ago
@walsh93jazz chris potter would destroy them both! but that would be sick
nunchuckification 4 days ago
At 6:18 they go crazy, at 6:49 the band leader's face says everything, no more comment necessary...
gerithebiker 7 months ago
I like a lot this video!!! What a body has the sound of James Carter, it blows away Joshua Redman!!! Incredible!!! I never see Carter plays like this.....I feel more american the sound of Carter, I don´t know if he uses here an american horn but it seems to do it....
FerCarranza2 7 months ago
at 5:29 the lead trumpet was probably passing out...
pebblefrog196 7 months ago
Un régal pour les oreilles ces 2 solistes!
Jean2449 8 months ago
No real musicality here, just athletics. Its admirable that these guys have such control over their instruments, but they should be ashamed for performing in such a tasteless manner
TheAdawg1789 8 months ago
@TheAdawg1789 Don't be such a prude. They're just doing some JATP style shredding. It's all in good fun and certainly there is heaps of musicality to be found here.
qsaras1 8 months ago
@qsaras1 In the JATP recordings which i believe you are referencing one can hear the musicians developing new avenues of improvisation in real time. In my opinion this is what makes those recordings so exciting. It's quite the opposite here; both musicians are using the vocabulary of past masters, and not in a particularly innovative fashion. Not that there is anything particularly wrong with this, but it means that more attention should go towards crafting logical, concise solos
TheAdawg1789 8 months ago
@TheAdawg1789 Thats so untrue. Athletics without musicality is Kenny G. :P
Thundermonkeyms 7 months ago
JC is blowing a 'BLASHAUS' 1926/27 Conn New Wonder hybrid with Yamaha/Custom keys by Martin Suter on a Pan Am neck with custom Buck Rogers octave mech on a lawton 7* bb. JC now blows a Lawton 11*BB 'special' (bronze).Crazy stuff but dead easy with the best gear. J
jonviol 8 months ago
Who is the men that appear in the minute 3:02?
carxofanvinagra 9 months ago
@carxofanvinagra It is Paul Gonsalves of Duke Ellington fame.
rgs1940 8 months ago
Woah.... Both of those guys are true masters on the tenor. Very different from each other, but both masters in their own right. I feel lucky to live in the same time as these greats.... I've got no words to describe that video. All that I can even do to react is to go play tenor until dawn.....
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Carter just screams, but Redman knows what to talk :)
juliosax93 9 months ago
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Carter just screams, but Redman knows what to talk :)
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juliosax93 9 months ago
Carter is the epitomy of great improvisation, highest caliber of playing and unrival emotional content.
lettmusic 9 months ago
Has anyone transcribed this yet? And what sax is Carter playing on? At first I thought this was a Conn (because of the split bell keys) but it has a modern G# cluster.
jazzmann1984 9 months ago
@jazzmann1984 I think its a Chu Berry with Yamaha keywork? Could be wrong though
jazzaces294 9 months ago
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jkrendel 9 months ago
Fail of the video in 2:20!!!! hahaha who's playing the solo?? Carter or Redman? :)
Marinauer 10 months ago 3
@Marinauer its both of them
mike197592 9 months ago
@mike197592 No, it's in the solo of Redman, look for the minute and see it
Marinauer 9 months ago
@mike197592 No, it's in the solo of Redman, look for the minute and see it
Marinauer 9 months ago
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mtownboy13 10 months ago
Two of the best.
britteach 10 months ago
5:25 - Redman realises he's completely out-ridiculoused
DomPusey 10 months ago
A certain empathy between these two great musicians. Note Carter's copy of double-note playing at 2:30 to mimic Redman's earlier use of them. His ears (and feet) are listening intently while Redman is playing! Awesome playing by both men who are capable of feeding off each other.
ricmalclew 10 months ago
That transition from a Bb blues to F (when Josh starts his solo) throws me off for the first few bars every time lol
SelmerSaxMan 10 months ago
Does anyone else notice that it's James Carter playing at 2:20 and then it switches back to Redman?
bbbiggs 11 months ago 42
@bbbiggs haha what a bad edit...
SelmerSaxMan 10 months ago
@bbbiggs I never noticed that before XD I'm usually looking at the creepy conductor
teejay5962 10 months ago
@bbbiggs ya whats up with that?
fighterdude83 7 months ago
@bbbiggs Ha!!!! That's funny...!
saxmanian 6 months ago
JC soundmaster!
MrReboper 11 months ago
Redman blows Carters jive shit out of the water
oober349 11 months ago
2:29 Billie's Bounce!
anwachukwu 11 months ago
5:12 Now's the Time!
anwachukwu 11 months ago
3:07 Perhaps!
anwachukwu 11 months ago
these guys are both such beasts.
K checking Yoshi's schedule again, K Checking wallet again ;P
BeatsNKarats 1 year ago
You must like this comment if the entire video you were thinking, "I need to go practice, after I'm done wiping the drool from my face."
SupahflyJazzguy 1 year ago 2
@bashong122 disagreed sorry. i think the brain has to be involved at a conscious level. that's how we generate ideas, decide where we're heading next melodically and how you're going to construct a solo. without that you're playing just ends up being a whole bunch of lick and patterns you've practiced the shit out of, not true improvisation IMO
walsh93jazz 1 year ago
Slide Hampton on 3rd bone xD man that lead trumpet is like the annoying fly lol
xDiArtsx 1 year ago
I love how Redman keeps cool and calm while Carter goes nuts. Different approaches.
FishWhale19 1 year ago
That was fucking amazing.
**Find fucked**
jessparkerrrr 1 year ago
realmente incrível! eles são os melhores!
deenhoou 1 year ago
remove versus from the title. they are just jammin' :D
Muse333 1 year ago
@Muse333 But this way the projected rivalry entices more views. Who wouldn't want to see a sax battle between two greats? The more people who get to hear this, the better. But it truly is a straight up jam. They're just chillin
hugleberthumperdink 1 year ago
both of these guys are two of the best jazz musicians on the planet... however i see a difference between them... redman seems to be more into the musicality of the solo, where as carter is completely devoted to the technical difficulty of his solos.
SuperTooboy 1 year ago
Redman gets my vote.
spidermagic 1 year ago
Music at its best!!!
Eszter888 1 year ago
The trumpet lead is off his head .... Higher Higher aaaaaaa squeeeeeeek awsome !
tubzinblu 1 year ago
Carter has better sound effects and follows the scales up and down, but Redman has better syncopation, jazzy rythmns and scale jumping ability in my opinion. Both are top notch players. I love when Redman smiles at 5:22 because he knows he'd be battling Carter on his "turf" if he tried to keep up "tit for tat" on the sound effects. Each resort to their own "mastery" which makes this song more complete as a whole. Fanjazztic!
jrbluejr 1 year ago
Redman is a fucking groovemaster.
fruitydickhole 1 year ago 3
2:20
joeman342 1 year ago
carter fantastic!
Eljosuch 1 year ago
Who is this conductor?!
benisherenow 1 year ago
26 people do not have a sole, we really are living amongst the dead!
rishsn 1 year ago
@rishsn I could just as easily that 685 people are unthinking morons. Try to remember that nothing is absolute, especially not in art
adawg1789 1 year ago
btw what year was this?
xDiArtsx 1 year ago
who the hell is that in lead trumpet? amazing
xDiArtsx 1 year ago
Chills down my spine. Amazing!
bob10921 1 year ago
Wow....Amazing. All I can say.
But the lead trumpet is a monster too!
saxdrummer92 1 year ago
They can, but choose not to.
fergman333 1 year ago
Beautifuly Amazing! Wow! Redman Highly Simple, Carter Highly classy! More than a gift... A Blessing!
MrsTigerlover 1 year ago
1:10- sax fart of epic proportions
alsharpton666 1 year ago
O Carter deu um Laço no Joshua, kkkkkkkkkkk
dessa vêz pelomenos.....
01FilipeCardoso 1 year ago
joshua the best !!
bragaivo 1 year ago
i heard these gentlemen used to 'experiment' at summer camp? can anyone confirm this? it's a good thing there is a conductor.
herbienichols 1 year ago
Man Joshua's laugh at 5:25 is very telling.....
Both monster players, my vote goes for Redman though.
smoothbabic 1 year ago
Awesome performance!
xCelsius451x 1 year ago
This performance really demonstrates the difference between these two. Redman is a musician, Carter is a performer. I go to shows to hear musicians. I go to the circus to see performers.
And I bet James Carter wasn't happy that Redman also knew every single one of his smoke-and-mirrors tricks.
fergman333 1 year ago 2
@fergman333 if James Carter is so "smoke-and-mirrors," then how come nobody else in the world can play like James Carter?
ZIdanerfox0010011 1 year ago
haha whats the sound at 1:10? a real low note??
xCelsius451x 1 year ago
Tanto o Joshua quanto o Carter,
são influências indiscutíveis,
muito bom o vídeo !
meninuprodigio 1 year ago
Was waren denn das für 26 Idioten, die den Falschen Button gedrückt haben?
mobasiberklan099034 1 year ago
Carter has that lack of inhibition that reminds me so much of Sonny Rollins. Like there's no brain involved whatsoever (in the best way possible), everything just comes out without getting clouded by overthinking, just raw, unbridled musicality. Having said that, Redman has done some of the best recordings of the last ten years. Some might view it as a "battle," I view it as one of the greatest delights on Earths.
bashong122 1 year ago 31
@bashong122 @bashong122 Perhaps but listen to Carter with the World Sax Quartet playing alto. Not really sonny rollins at all
brwdoit 1 year ago
@bashong122 can you tell 2 things well 3 !!! ? what is that touching of the reed that carter does everytime he rest ?. 2- why does joshua laughs when carter does a crazy sound in 5:25 ? 3. do you know how to make thee sax laugh like James does in 6:29 ?
drsantoss 7 months ago
@bashong122 I disagree about Redman making the best records in the last ten years. He's made some good to really good ones, but in my opinion he hasn't knocked anything out of the park.
This video is a great time had by ALL!
musesearch 6 months ago
Both great players, but Carter can be an amazing madman. I'm thinking of his soprano sax solo on 'Along Came Betty" which gets further and further over the top; every time you think he's run out of things to say, he goes one better... That said, I think "cutting contests" basically are not much about art, more about testosterone.
blueyedboymrdeath 1 year ago
Aunque Joshua tiene un sonido mucho más bonito que James Carter, pero es mucho más convencional, mucho de lo de siempre. James Carter, en cambio, tiene un sonido mucho más personal, más vivo y juega con unas posibilidades más interesantes que Joshua, lo que es más apropiado para estos tiempos en los que interesa innovar. Sin embargo, como decía nuestro compañero en los comentarios " dos estilos diferentes pero compatibles..." Se pueden necesitar ambos estilos. Muchas gracias.
Emperadorpriego 1 year ago
also that right there is an excellent conductor
anwachukwu 1 year ago
they're really talking to each other during 3:21-4:15
anwachukwu 1 year ago 2
two very different cats, different styles and approaches, but both being absolute virtuosity on their instruments, amazing harmonic knowledge and both of course having impeccable ears on them
two great modern players
stephenbythmusic 1 year ago 2
carter has the licks and the technique. Redman tried to emulate it... pulled it off a lot of the time but Carter comes out on top there. Carter wasn't as much melody friendly in this one. tells less of a story than redman. Carter did repeat some lines - not Redman.. but Carter does have a more range on the instrument. Would love to see a rematchh!!
danos1011 1 year ago
this has to be one of the best jazz preformances. ever.
Gatorsfreak21 1 year ago
@Gatorsfreak21 Well, just for the record, this is done before in a much better way by there ancestors. Listen to 'Mingus at Carnegie Hall' from 1974, especially 'Perdido' (22') with, hold your breath: George Adams, Hamiet Bluiett, Roland Kirk, John Handy, Ch. McPherson and John Faddis. They are only backed up by Mingus, Don Pullen and Dannie Richmond. And listen how Roland Kirk copies George Adams exact solo on 'C Jam Blues' (24'). Mingus called it: "He was cuttin' him at his own shit". Harsh!
mleroy1956 1 year ago
at 2:20 it's supposed to be joshua playing but it shows james instead haha.
calicakes111 1 year ago
Why do these guys even HAVE a band behind them?
Vitruvian42 1 year ago
this is conversation
bayuisman 1 year ago
Carter's got the technical ability, but Redman has the soul. Both are a hell of a lot better than me and I don't really see a loser, just two guys having a sick jam session
jazzaces294 1 year ago 2
@idymface Redman is half black half Jewish
jazzaces294 1 year ago
Bonito documento, dos estilos diferentes pero compatibles...
pesoj07 1 year ago
Bonito documento, dos estilos diferentes pero compatibles...
pesoj07 1 year ago
sick
iamthesaxmaster 1 year ago
i wish the big band would shut the fuck up! so i can hear the saxes damn!
redhouse7 1 year ago
it's the band arrangement that sounds over-the-top to me.......how can anyone have a cutting contest like THAT????
a bit like two men running out and having a pistol duel on a hill that's being blasted by artillery.....what's the point when everything's going to hell anyway? (like this arrangement)
Vocadagio 1 year ago
Two cornball motherfuckers in suits
brambau 1 year ago
Dewey was better than both of them anyway
jumpsteady1 1 year ago 18
@jumpsteady1
Who is Dewey?
JH5251 10 months ago
@JH5251 Dewey Redman, great sax player and father of Joshua.
DomPusey 10 months ago
you know, I've been playing for three years, and I can do most of the things that James Carter exhibits in this video. The real talent (although both of them are amaing) lies with Redman. He not only exhibits an excellent tone, and mastery of his instrument (as it is way harder to play in the smooth flowing style that he does), but he "speaks" the language. His Improv contains words, ideas, and sentences whereas Carters contain squeaks.
sigmayacht 1 year ago
@sigmayacht
but technique wise, they are almost even
but who cares about that.
I prefer redman here but.
They both are very good but with their own styles
chuns00 1 year ago
@sigmayacht
plus
carter has a really resistant setup that takes up a whole lot of air.
chuns00 1 year ago
so awesome!! two niggas at one night!!!
7thTreasure 1 year ago
so cool!! two niggas....hahahaha....
7thTreasure 1 year ago
Josh talked about this in a masterclass at Stanford Jazz Residency, he said he wouldn't do it again if he got called and that he found the whole concept of the tenor "battle" to be anti musical and that he'd tried to make the best of the experience, and also that he has huge respect for James.
altair003 1 year ago
Redman destroys.....clearly
JacobShulman 1 year ago
Dont forget the Tenor battles of the past. This aint a new phenomenon its just part of jazz music .
decus69 1 year ago
My,my!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
jazzyla9 1 year ago
WOW fantastic! nothing like retro jazz... all real sound!
shadeofblue2004 1 year ago
I realize this isn't exactly a duel to prove the talent of one musician or another, but James Carter clearly overshadows Joshua Redman in this video. Carter makes it look so effortless. Redman is an outstanding saxophone player, but Carter is just so perfectly fluid. I've never heard a tenor player that can hit such amazingly high octave slurs and drop right down into a low C/Bb without even flinching. Incredible.
AudioFreakGLS 1 year ago
except the point "this is a great video" I totally disagree with adawg1789! they both don't "beat" each other, but interact and complement each other! you saw them smiling at 5:20 and thereafter? that has nothing to do with "gladiators"!
MrKenobe 1 year ago
@MrKenobe Well I can't really prove this, but to me Redman's smiles look uncomfortable as though he realizes that the way they are playing is musically unconscionable, and James Carter's smile are clearly for the crowd and demonstrate what a "showman" he is.
adawg1789 1 year ago
AMAZING SLAPTONGUE POWERZ!!!!!!!!!!!!
jazzsaxmaniac 1 year ago
I liked SOME of that stuff...but turned into a serious jerking off session... Some interesting sounds and technique..here and there.. Have to admit..it had me smilin'..? ..not exactly sure why..
winesax 1 year ago
YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES! This is sexy!
tjc197 1 year ago
@adawg1789, man, if you think the point of music is to "beat" other players with technique, i can only feel sorry for you.
jesjes21 1 year ago
LOL Carter playing at 2:20
jazzman1988 1 year ago
you can only hear the sraight no chaser part
saxmaster25 1 year ago
@saxmaster25 Billie's Bounce at 2:29, I Mean You at 2:55. There are some other tune in there too, but I can't name them off the top of my head right now.
Bebopopotamus 1 year ago
who so you think won that battle beetween redman and carter??
saxmaster25 1 year ago
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soooo this video is kind of like having ella fitzgerald sing next to janis joplin. ella sounds amazing while janis sings like she's got a cock in her mouth right? much like carter's tone. haaaahahahaha
JazzTime251 1 year ago
soooo this video is kind of like having ella fitzgerald sing next to janis joplin. ella sounds like amazing while janis sings like she's got a cock in her mouth right? much like carter's tone. haaaahahahaha
JazzTime251 1 year ago
@adawg1789
I don't see how your response have anything to do with my comment. Please explain.
BossTenor 1 year ago
what was that thing carter did at 6:30?
seerskater 1 year ago
Okay I have read many of the commnets, and let me clue some of you in. Tenor battles has been a jazz tradition for many years. The tenor sax is to jazz what the guitar is to country music. In jazz such duels are called "cutting heads". You had Rollins/Coltrane, Gordon/Ammons, Young/Hawkins and on and on. And don't think for one moment, that during any of those battles, the axe men were not playing to the crowd. After all it is the crowd who crowns the next Boss Tenor.
BossTenor 1 year ago
@BossTenor If what you say is true, then "legit" musicians are completely justified in looking down on jazz
adawg1789 1 year ago
Of course it's only you're opinion, once again of what a "legit" musician is. I'm sure no "legit" Jazz musician such as the above, Trane, Lacy, Mingus etc. would give two pickles what you or your "legit" musicians looked down upon. Jazz has never been a extremely popular music anyhow, nor based on euro-centric music ideology. Continue peering down and the brothers and sisters will continue with the music as normal. I'm watching the vid. where Trane kicks Getz's ass - I mean share a moment. Ciao
outersun 1 year ago
@outersun All I meant was that saying that Trane or Sonny played to the crowd demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of their true legacy. If we truly consider jazz to be an art form, then we ought to hold jazz musicians to the same standard to which we hold other artists. The notion that jazz musicians simply should play "soulful" music divorced from the intellect and engineered to work the unthinking masses into a frenzy demonstrates belittles the music and those who create it
adawg1789 1 year ago
@outersun Also for the record, I agree that Coltrane is a greater improvisor than Getz, but probably not for the same reasons as you
adawg1789 1 year ago
cool
BossTenor 1 year ago
it's the fatcat session of my nightmares
RobinsonWith 1 year ago
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RobinsonWith 1 year ago
Good playing! Carter was meant to be the next "Great" in jazz some years back. His technique, range, knowledge of the tradition, and multi-instrumental mastery were unmatched. Good to see Redman step out of the soporific confines of MOR jazz and show that he is his father's son.
derritrane 1 year ago
¡Wow... estupendo ! me sorprende la sonoridad de Carter se aprecia el trabajo de horas de estudio en las famosas notas largas
politoojete 1 year ago
what big band is this?
MCroach1 1 year ago
That wasn't a Duel! that was an Execution!!! someone Got Played into the Shed !
Zero1RR 1 year ago
That was all the way L I V E !!!!!!!
Our generation is still producing great axe men !
AltoSaxBoss 1 year ago
Great footage !!!
AltoSaxBoss 1 year ago
Both sound awesome. I've yet to experience Carter (only because I haven't bought any of his stuff), but I'm a huge Redman fan. I think I just became a Carter fan as well.
cm0220ster 1 year ago
Redman destroyed Carter, no competition. In my opinion, Carter should stick to bari. His tone on bari is unmatched, but you cannot beat Redman when it comes to tenor. Tone alone wins it, not to mention substance.
kylegeee 1 year ago
In terms of technical mastery, I'd say that Carter wins. Personally though, I like Redman. His solos sound better as a whole. Carter does have his moments, but his solo feels more segmented. Like he finds a good idea, but he doesn't roll with it, he just drops it and goes for something else. They're both amazing, its really just a judgment call.
Paradox484 1 year ago
@Paradox484
LOL ! Carter over Redman in technical mastery??? Sure, if you consider honks, squeaks, squawks, and other sound effects as " technical mastery".
Redman is the superior saxophonist any way you look at it IMO.
20Ksuper 1 year ago 2