JDS vs Overeem would be great but first, Overeem must get past Brock in a very convincing fashion. A KO won't hurt. Cain, JDS, and Alistair, these are the real kings in the HW division, maybe add Shane Carwin in the mix if he puts in better cardio and more variation other than his "one punch" wonder.
JDS doesn't seem to check kicks very well, but his boxing is good enough to overwhelm anyone who isn't a high level boxer or kickboxer (Crocop doesn't count because his striking is VERY rusty compared to what it was back in his K-1 days). Let's not forget JDS has huge power, and it doesn't take very much for him to put someone in the hospital. I hope he will beat Cain senseless this Saturday.
No offense, but that is probably one of the dumbest things I have ever read. JDS is really good standing up, but he has obvious holes in his striking, considering how Shogun managed to land kicks all day. Crocop was a MUCH harder kicker, and it's very obvious that his striking was watered down heavily by the time he was competing in UFC. He was a much better wrestler, but sacrificed his standup greatly for it. Crocop took out some elite guys in K-1.. JDS could not.
So to conclude, learn a bit more about striking, look at how JDS' striking is compared to elite strikers in their prime (such as those competing in K-1, It's Showtime or WMC) and then realize that you should punch yourself in the face for being so ignorant. It's really shameful when someone who most likely does not keep up with the striking scene and only pays attention to MMA begins to compare an MMA striker to a high level kickboxer in his prime. I pity your ignorance.
@HugoTheSavant what do u mean could not? cro cops striking got exposed when he decent competition... guys who know how to block kicks and pressure him so he cant just throw them whenever he feels like it. when he came to the ufc he JUST won the pride GP so u cant say his striking was watered down.
You're a moron. He won Pride having trained for MMA, but his striking was already weakening because he had concentrated so heavily on other areas of fighting, especially wrestling and submission defense. Even stupider of you is to comment on his striking without paying attention to his activity as a kickboxer: he last competed in K-1 in 2002 (not including the Bob Sapp fight; you don't have to train to beat him), and he entered UFC in 2007.. FIVE YEARS LATER.
Do you have any idea how insanely difficult it is for someone to keep their striking at K-1 level while having to learn TONS OF NEW SHIT? Unlike Overeem, who was a mixed martial artists before entering kickboxing, Crocop was a kickboxer from the start, and he had to learn grappling from the bottom up. To be competent in MMA and not be submitted easily, one would have to be well rounded; guys like Reem had time to develop their grappling, unlike Crocop who later had to focus on it.
Him winning Pride does not mean his striking was at its best, I have no clue why you keep bringing up "he did this in MMA, that in MMA, so his striking wasn't watered down" bs. Clearly you did not read anything I wrote earlier, including how he had to focus very heavily on grappling in order to do better in MMA, and how he neglected his striking for that.
In K-1 he competed at the highest level, amassed a record of 16-7 (70% win rate), and beat some of the top guys.
You really need to reconsider what you're going to say, especially how little relevance someone's success in MMA has to how good of a striker one is. To be at your best in something, you have to train it hardcore. Guys who began as MMA fighters have the advantage of being able to work on various skillsets at once, giving them the opportunity to develop themselves in mutliple ways until they find something to specialize in. Crocop grappled late; his kickboxing career ended in 2002
@HugoTheSavant Im bringing up mma because u said cro cop (a mixed martial artist) is a better striker than jds (a mixed martial artist). cro cop mixes is up more while jds likes to box and throw knees.. but jds has much more effective, powerful, and explosive striking.
and who did he fight in his k1 career that was any good other than an old peter aerts?
Yes, and you kept trying to bring up Crocop's presence and performance in the UFC - which was WAY AFTER he stopped concentrating so hard on his kickboxing and began to focus heavily on grappling - as reasoning that he would be outstriked by JDS, which is absolutely stupid.
Old Aerts? What the fuck are you on? Back then, Aerts was only 31 - 32 at best, proof that you don't know what the fuck you are talking about!! He also defeated LeBanner KO'd Bernardo and destroyed Bojansky
He also won against Mark Hunt (super-close fight), landing a major point-scoring headkick that only the Super Samoan could've survived. Crocop also made it to the WGP final against Ernesto Hoost, which is a very big accomplishment in itself. Let's not forget that only 1 year after Crocop stopped competing in kickboxing (still sharp, not like 5 years later in UFC and rusty), he knocked out Vovchanchyn (61-2 kickboxing) in an MMA match.
I am probably going to conclude with this: If you don't know anything, you better keep your mouth shut. Don't argue about something you can't keep up with intelligently, factually, or both.
@HugoTheSavant Crocop is one of the most overrated strikers. You also act like he just straight up stops training kickboxing when he went into mma. Watch some of his old interviews he says he spends a lot of time practicing his kicks still.
So you are saying that Cro cop when he was in k1 would beat jds striking? jds would back up cro cop and pick him apart. cro cop showed that he is weak when pressured.
Look at what you resort to when I shut down EVERYTHING you have said. You made yourself look especially ignorant (and stupid) with the "old Aerts" comment which took away all credibility you might've ever had because you obviously DON'T KNOW WTF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT!
He never abandoned his striking, but he stopped focusing on it because he had to improve on grappling A LOT. You said JDS would outstrike prime CC, but CC's striking prime was in K-1 back when he focused on it..
For you to say that Crocop's peak standup was when he was in MMA is absolutely retarded. He maintained his kickboxing at top level when he was competing in K-1. He was strictly standup before 2003, and he did very well with it. You are completely stupid for comparing MMA Crocop who focused A LOT of his time on grappling because he had no choice or he'd get takendown or submitted to K-1 Crocop (striking peak).
Anyone reading this convo would see how much of an idiot you are!
To conclude yet again, you are very ignorant and never know what the hell you are talking about. Training for MMA fights and K-1 fights require different levels of focus, and for someone who transitioned to MMA but ONLY knew how to kickbox, he had to sacrifice much kickboxing time to learn grappling instead. By the time Crocop because a decent wrestler/submission fighter, his striking was no longer the same, especially to what it once was when he ONLY focused on it.
I seem to be repeating myself, but you lack the common sense to comprehend anything beyond the first three words of a sentence. I am almost wasting my time arguing with someone as pathetically stupid as you.
JDS began as an MMA fighter and developed various areas of fighting (standup, clinch, ground) during his career. He never had to focus a huge amount of time on one area because he was too lacking in another, unlike Crocop who had no clue how to grapple when he entered MMA.
P.S. - someone's chin has nothing to do with how good of a striker someone is. Dan Henderson has one of the best - if NOT the best - chins MMA has ever seen. Does that make him any better or any worse of a striker? No, it just means he can take a lot of cranial punishment and still keep going. Even a Neanderthal could take a lot of punishment, but that has no influence on skill whatsoever.
Seriously, stop talking out of your ass! You lack common sense and relevance in argument.
@HugoTheSavant Dude you know your replying your comments to yourself right and not me? ..and chins do matter for striking. If you cant take a shot.. gl.
Youre just a mad cro cop fan and you cant admit to yourself that HE WAS OVERRATED AND LOST TO A LOT OF SCRUBS IN K1.
Good chins are valuable but have no influence on skill, and having a mediocre or poor chin does not in any way mean that someone will be OUTSTRUCK by another.
I actually am NOT a Crocop fan, instead I respect him for what he is and what he has done. If I'm a fan of anyone in MMA, it would be Anderson Silva, Overeem, Jose Aldo, and I dunno who else. Oh yeah, and Fedor, although by now he should retire instead of continuing. He's going Crocop's route - older, slower, rusty.
I should end with this: If you thought Crocop lost to "scrubs" in K-1, think again. He has losses against various top-level fighters, including Andy Hug, Ernesto Hoost, Mike Bernardo. His only non-toptier losses were against were against McDonald and Bajrami, and even they are still decent. You're just a hater who doesn't know shit, brings up the stupidest arguments such as "he beat an old Aerts" when Aerts was 31-32 back then, and compares MMA striking to K-1 striking.
@HugoTheSavant fedor should still be competing. he looked good against monson... in strikeforce he was just exposed to a better level of competition so he struggled to adapt. Hes got a lot of fight left in him.
Let me also add one more thing in case you try to bring up the whole "Shogun KO'd Overeem, JDS > Shogun, so JDS > K-1" rubbish. Overeem fought in K-1 very sporadically from 1999 to 2007, and he only began to compete regularly from 2008 onwards. His last loss to Rua was back in 2007, and there was a HUGE difference in Reem's striking once he began to dedicate A LOT more time to kickboxing (hence his regular competition). His K-1 record improved greatly after 2008, so...
@ThyChrysanthemum I was thinking the same thing. Shogun just flows with his strikes using all limbs, JDS's leg kicks look more forced and way less technical.
this video kinda gave me false hope. i really thought that shgun was going to beat jon jones. He'll be back, he just proved that the first fight he had with forrest was a complete fluke
to all those guys who want t say JONES DIS OR DAT TELL, WAT BIG NAMES HAS JONES FOUGHT (PLZ DNT SAY COZ WE ALL KNO HE WAS OUT OF CONDITION & AS BADLY CONDITIONED AS HE WAS, KEPT GETTIN UP; JONES CUDNT PUT SHOGUNS LIGHTS OUT).
Nw JDS on the other hand has put how many ppl 2 bed? lol plz do no match bones to JDS or try to say jones is athletic bla bla bla, if u cut the cage off from jones wat can jones do? jones has never been put in a corner.... & JDS hands r too quik for jones to set up anythn
@BillingsNorteno JDS is not even in top ten when it comes to pure stiking, maybe in mma. But not in the leagues of the likes Pacquiao, Maywather Jr, Klitschko brothers, Buakaw and Bonjasky the list goes on
@ZePangsta JDS is pretty much in the middle of those people considering the type of fighters he has fought. I agree with Buakaw and possibly Floyd. But the Bitchsko's are just lumbering bums. they havent fought any real competition who would actually bring them a fight.
Pacman is neither here or there. his offense is his only weapon. he would be easy to counter-strike if there was someone would could.
regardless, JDS is at least in the top 15 as far as striking.
I think shogun is definitely got a step up in technique. But dos santos got that gorilla killa power. I love how they actually spar instead of trying to hurt each other. Brilliant.
I see a lot of discussion about Jon Jones VS Dos Santos. Jones would most likely win. He's far more athletic than Junior, and would use his enormous reach to batter him.
@glic7236 bahahahahahahha get off jones lol hahahahahah lmao so why isnt jones in the HW chasin JDS lol nxt your gona tell me jones can beat up a wall lmao get outta here
Jones will hopefully move to HW once he cleans the entire LHW division out. Notice how Shogun handles JDS in this video, and think about what Jones did to Shogun. Jones would easily defeat JDS. I think Cain would still beat Jones, but in time Jones can make it a good fight. I think Cain is the 2nd best HW ever behind Fedor.
@bduv21 you are entitled to your opinion; but 1 thing even you must admit: Shogun didn't look anything like his former self. Possibly the long lay-off in unison with his previous recurring injuries, and the plain fact that Jones is a highly skilled dangerous opponent too.
junior is very very good. one of my favorites. he is throwing a fair amount of kicks during this sparring session. i wish he would do that in his fights.
most of MMA fans watch the sport for Pure violence and powerful strikes, they dont know that the most violent part stands on the ground, I love technique more than pure violence. But i am shure that all those trashtalker never took a lesson or are simply bad at their gym. I practice mma and all the fighters deserve recognition for what they have reached
light sparring means you have to start off light but we all know that one guy will hit de other guy clean and he will want payback and light sparring turns into two guys trying to take each others head off
@racingmylife15 jon nigger jones is a pussy. He's a natural hw, but is too afraid to fight at HW, because he knows he'll get fucked up. Nigger probably starves himself like his family in africa. No fried chicken for the monkey,
@racingmylife15 jon nigger jones is a pussy. He's a natural hw, but is too afraid to fight at HW, because he knows he'll get fucked up. Nigger probably starves himself like his family in africa. No fried chicken for the monkey,
@ManKiIIer I'm not hating, he's super good & a beast, its just funny how rashad & vera are smaller but started off heavyweights. Jones prolly the biggest lhw in the the top 10. JDS is the same size with less reach but for some reason JDS looks smaller haha. He not scared but hes a big wrestling bully in lhw but its cool, hopefully one day he steps up to hw & he'll get a real challenge if no one stops him.
@gundam2388 the diffrence between JDS & jones is that JDS walked straight to the HW with no fear, werby jones decided to stay bc in the LW division lol props to jds
I thought the same thing.. The flying knee and high kick in round one gassed shogun.. He'll be back stronger than ever and will reclaim his title. WAR SHOGUN!
what a complete waste of time & talent for Shogun to be fighting under this bogus "unified rules" format promulgated by Vana white, marc RATner, ufc & their little cronies in these corrupt commissions Stateside.
Jon Jones should be thanking his lucky stars to be fighting Shogun with half his arsenal deemed illegal.
'You have to understand that the UFC MMA rules wouldn't have been legalized nationwide hadn't they kept those rules'
Also, there was a Pride event in the states, using non UFC rules, with stomping, soccerkicks but oh, no elbows to a grounded opponent. UFC rules are bullshit and you know it. Elbows rarely ever cause knockouts but ALWAYS cause cuts which may cause doctor stoppages.
let me put it in simply language since you have trouble understanding. Had they taken off the rules that made stomping illegal from the UFC, which they couldn't legalize to begin with. UFC wouldn't have been approved. What state are you from by the way
I didn't need you to throw all of your grammar out of the window for that comment. I can read. But hey, if you're too retarded to realise there where pride shows in the states, then I feel sorry for you and I don't want to argue with a retard. Cya.
That's painful stuff coming from a 12 year old with severe mental retardation and an inability to understand basic English.. Learn to read you faggot, and grow the fuck up.
@judaschongo soccer kicks and stomps tot he head wuld not have stopped him from losing. if u see the fight he wulda never got the oppurtunity. even under pride rules.
@vespaman101 your absolutely correct in this instance; Shogun looked terrible in all honesty. Could of been the long lay off coupled with his recurring injuries? and that's not taking anything away from Jones who's highly skilled & dangerous. But you can't help but think that Shogun didn't help his own cause; he simply was not there; and is capable of so much more.
@judaschongo yeah i still think he wuld have lost tho to be honest. Even if he was healthy. Once jones put the fight ont he ground it wuld be same old same old. shoguns bjj is good but jones wuld be hard for even the best to submit.
@judaschongo im a shogun fan but sorry to say, knee and stomps to the face of a grounded opponent wouldn't have helped shogun, it probably would have just enabled bones to decimated shogun even more.
@DcN51791 I agree with you statement! but doesn't change the fact that Shogun gassed early and didn't help his own cause. Simply put, it was a terrible performance; and he is capable of so much more.
@J7G2006 Hey man, Im a Jones Hater and a Shogun lover, but it didnt matter if that fight was in a ring, cage, or a high school football field. Shogun got outclassed from the first few seconds when that flying knee hit him to the end where he wobbled to the end of the cage and got dropped. Shogun was getting fucking rocked on the feet and on the ground. He looked gassed after the first round. But I agree with you, the Lay and praying is getting old, but jones is far from that.
@judaschongo Your points are valid from a purist fan's point of view. But Dana and UFC is also a business. We all wish UFC was like the original UFC 1, 2, and 3, or like Pride, but in order for MMA to make it with the general American public and the politicians, it has to be watered down. The opposition still consists of old school guys who characterize MMA as "human cock fighting," which forces people like Dana to play up MMA as a legit looking sport that's safe and humane.
@TeMpOuK1 It is really the Gracies who made MMA what it is. The Gracie's invented UFC (original) and Pride FC. Not sure if you knew that or not. New UFC rules are not for me. Too much advantage for wrestlers. I think soccer kicks should be allowed to give strikers a chance over wrestlers. At least soccer kicks to the body.
@Polarcupcheck Think About It Dude...Strikers Already Have The Biggest Advantage Over Any Style Of Fighter, They Can End A Fight In 1 Or 2 Hits. Submission Fighters Can End The Fight With A Few Quick Moves Too. If UFC's Rules Weren't The Way They Are Wrestlers Would Have No Chance Vs. Strikers And Submission Fighters.
Wrestlers Have To Do The Most Work To Win A Fight: If They Can Avoid Getting KOed Or Submitted, Score Takedowns, Control The Fight, And Score Some Strikes They Deserve To Win.
Kick at 1:36 is crazy.
UFCShogun1 4 days ago
all these combos shogun is throwing.. why wasn't he seemed to be using them in the fights against jon jones, forrest griffin and dan henderson?
asuras75 1 week ago
Fedor was bad ass but lost it, Monson??? That guy is not even in the same box JDS with 1 arm would ko his ass out
Z7EXTREMEBABY 1 month ago
anyone know what they weighted here?
7117Rocker 1 month ago
@7117Rocker I believe Rua is around 225-230 and Santos is 245.
StepXX 1 month ago
Keyboard warriors....
MegaShadowPhantom 2 months ago
Check the leg kick!
rockstr56 2 months ago
JDS vs Overeem would be great but first, Overeem must get past Brock in a very convincing fashion. A KO won't hurt. Cain, JDS, and Alistair, these are the real kings in the HW division, maybe add Shane Carwin in the mix if he puts in better cardio and more variation other than his "one punch" wonder.
595703 3 months ago
JDS landed more punches
Shogun landed more kicks
hell of a spar
WAR SHOGUN AND WAR CIGANO
naraic1020 3 months ago
sexy boy
boizluv4ever 3 months ago
God damn..
milotheamazing 3 months ago
JDS doesn't seem to check kicks very well, but his boxing is good enough to overwhelm anyone who isn't a high level boxer or kickboxer (Crocop doesn't count because his striking is VERY rusty compared to what it was back in his K-1 days). Let's not forget JDS has huge power, and it doesn't take very much for him to put someone in the hospital. I hope he will beat Cain senseless this Saturday.
HugoTheSavant 3 months ago
@HugoTheSavant junior would take "prime" cro cop easily in a stand up fight tbh.
imgonnadrinkcoke 3 months ago
@imgonnadrinkcoke
No offense, but that is probably one of the dumbest things I have ever read. JDS is really good standing up, but he has obvious holes in his striking, considering how Shogun managed to land kicks all day. Crocop was a MUCH harder kicker, and it's very obvious that his striking was watered down heavily by the time he was competing in UFC. He was a much better wrestler, but sacrificed his standup greatly for it. Crocop took out some elite guys in K-1.. JDS could not.
HugoTheSavant 3 months ago
@HugoTheSavant
So to conclude, learn a bit more about striking, look at how JDS' striking is compared to elite strikers in their prime (such as those competing in K-1, It's Showtime or WMC) and then realize that you should punch yourself in the face for being so ignorant. It's really shameful when someone who most likely does not keep up with the striking scene and only pays attention to MMA begins to compare an MMA striker to a high level kickboxer in his prime. I pity your ignorance.
HugoTheSavant 3 months ago
@HugoTheSavant what do u mean could not? cro cops striking got exposed when he decent competition... guys who know how to block kicks and pressure him so he cant just throw them whenever he feels like it. when he came to the ufc he JUST won the pride GP so u cant say his striking was watered down.
imgonnadrinkcoke 3 months ago
@imgonnadrinkcoke
You're a moron. He won Pride having trained for MMA, but his striking was already weakening because he had concentrated so heavily on other areas of fighting, especially wrestling and submission defense. Even stupider of you is to comment on his striking without paying attention to his activity as a kickboxer: he last competed in K-1 in 2002 (not including the Bob Sapp fight; you don't have to train to beat him), and he entered UFC in 2007.. FIVE YEARS LATER.
You're an idiot.
HugoTheSavant 3 months ago
@HugoTheSavant
Do you have any idea how insanely difficult it is for someone to keep their striking at K-1 level while having to learn TONS OF NEW SHIT? Unlike Overeem, who was a mixed martial artists before entering kickboxing, Crocop was a kickboxer from the start, and he had to learn grappling from the bottom up. To be competent in MMA and not be submitted easily, one would have to be well rounded; guys like Reem had time to develop their grappling, unlike Crocop who later had to focus on it.
HugoTheSavant 3 months ago
@HugoTheSavant 2006 cro cop wins open weight grand prix. 2007 he gets knocked out by gabriel gonzaga in the ufc.
Also ur overrating his striking a lot. wasnt he like 15-9 in k1?
imgonnadrinkcoke 3 months ago
@imgonnadrinkcoke
Him winning Pride does not mean his striking was at its best, I have no clue why you keep bringing up "he did this in MMA, that in MMA, so his striking wasn't watered down" bs. Clearly you did not read anything I wrote earlier, including how he had to focus very heavily on grappling in order to do better in MMA, and how he neglected his striking for that.
In K-1 he competed at the highest level, amassed a record of 16-7 (70% win rate), and beat some of the top guys.
HugoTheSavant 3 months ago
@HugoTheSavant
You really need to reconsider what you're going to say, especially how little relevance someone's success in MMA has to how good of a striker one is. To be at your best in something, you have to train it hardcore. Guys who began as MMA fighters have the advantage of being able to work on various skillsets at once, giving them the opportunity to develop themselves in mutliple ways until they find something to specialize in. Crocop grappled late; his kickboxing career ended in 2002
HugoTheSavant 3 months ago
@HugoTheSavant Im bringing up mma because u said cro cop (a mixed martial artist) is a better striker than jds (a mixed martial artist). cro cop mixes is up more while jds likes to box and throw knees.. but jds has much more effective, powerful, and explosive striking.
and who did he fight in his k1 career that was any good other than an old peter aerts?
bob sap?
imgonnadrinkcoke 3 months ago
@imgonnadrinkcoke
Yes, and you kept trying to bring up Crocop's presence and performance in the UFC - which was WAY AFTER he stopped concentrating so hard on his kickboxing and began to focus heavily on grappling - as reasoning that he would be outstriked by JDS, which is absolutely stupid.
Old Aerts? What the fuck are you on? Back then, Aerts was only 31 - 32 at best, proof that you don't know what the fuck you are talking about!! He also defeated LeBanner KO'd Bernardo and destroyed Bojansky
HugoTheSavant 3 months ago
@HugoTheSavant
He also won against Mark Hunt (super-close fight), landing a major point-scoring headkick that only the Super Samoan could've survived. Crocop also made it to the WGP final against Ernesto Hoost, which is a very big accomplishment in itself. Let's not forget that only 1 year after Crocop stopped competing in kickboxing (still sharp, not like 5 years later in UFC and rusty), he knocked out Vovchanchyn (61-2 kickboxing) in an MMA match.
You don't know shit.. why are you arguing?
HugoTheSavant 3 months ago
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@HugoTheSavant
I am probably going to conclude with this: If you don't know anything, you better keep your mouth shut. Don't argue about something you can't keep up with intelligently, factually, or both.
HugoTheSavant 3 months ago
@HugoTheSavant Crocop is one of the most overrated strikers. You also act like he just straight up stops training kickboxing when he went into mma. Watch some of his old interviews he says he spends a lot of time practicing his kicks still.
So you are saying that Cro cop when he was in k1 would beat jds striking? jds would back up cro cop and pick him apart. cro cop showed that he is weak when pressured.
also cro cop has no chin. (randleman) 2004.
imgonnadrinkcoke 3 months ago
@imgonnadrinkcoke
Look at what you resort to when I shut down EVERYTHING you have said. You made yourself look especially ignorant (and stupid) with the "old Aerts" comment which took away all credibility you might've ever had because you obviously DON'T KNOW WTF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT!
He never abandoned his striking, but he stopped focusing on it because he had to improve on grappling A LOT. You said JDS would outstrike prime CC, but CC's striking prime was in K-1 back when he focused on it..
HugoTheSavant 3 months ago
@HugoTheSavant
For you to say that Crocop's peak standup was when he was in MMA is absolutely retarded. He maintained his kickboxing at top level when he was competing in K-1. He was strictly standup before 2003, and he did very well with it. You are completely stupid for comparing MMA Crocop who focused A LOT of his time on grappling because he had no choice or he'd get takendown or submitted to K-1 Crocop (striking peak).
Anyone reading this convo would see how much of an idiot you are!
HugoTheSavant 3 months ago
@HugoTheSavant
To conclude yet again, you are very ignorant and never know what the hell you are talking about. Training for MMA fights and K-1 fights require different levels of focus, and for someone who transitioned to MMA but ONLY knew how to kickbox, he had to sacrifice much kickboxing time to learn grappling instead. By the time Crocop because a decent wrestler/submission fighter, his striking was no longer the same, especially to what it once was when he ONLY focused on it.
Common sense?
HugoTheSavant 3 months ago
@HugoTheSavant
I seem to be repeating myself, but you lack the common sense to comprehend anything beyond the first three words of a sentence. I am almost wasting my time arguing with someone as pathetically stupid as you.
JDS began as an MMA fighter and developed various areas of fighting (standup, clinch, ground) during his career. He never had to focus a huge amount of time on one area because he was too lacking in another, unlike Crocop who had no clue how to grapple when he entered MMA.
HugoTheSavant 3 months ago
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HugoTheSavant 3 months ago
@HugoTheSavant
P.S. - someone's chin has nothing to do with how good of a striker someone is. Dan Henderson has one of the best - if NOT the best - chins MMA has ever seen. Does that make him any better or any worse of a striker? No, it just means he can take a lot of cranial punishment and still keep going. Even a Neanderthal could take a lot of punishment, but that has no influence on skill whatsoever.
Seriously, stop talking out of your ass! You lack common sense and relevance in argument.
HugoTheSavant 3 months ago
@HugoTheSavant Dude you know your replying your comments to yourself right and not me? ..and chins do matter for striking. If you cant take a shot.. gl.
Youre just a mad cro cop fan and you cant admit to yourself that HE WAS OVERRATED AND LOST TO A LOT OF SCRUBS IN K1.
imgonnadrinkcoke 3 months ago
@imgonnadrinkcoke
Good chins are valuable but have no influence on skill, and having a mediocre or poor chin does not in any way mean that someone will be OUTSTRUCK by another.
I actually am NOT a Crocop fan, instead I respect him for what he is and what he has done. If I'm a fan of anyone in MMA, it would be Anderson Silva, Overeem, Jose Aldo, and I dunno who else. Oh yeah, and Fedor, although by now he should retire instead of continuing. He's going Crocop's route - older, slower, rusty.
HugoTheSavant 3 months ago
@HugoTheSavant
I should end with this: If you thought Crocop lost to "scrubs" in K-1, think again. He has losses against various top-level fighters, including Andy Hug, Ernesto Hoost, Mike Bernardo. His only non-toptier losses were against were against McDonald and Bajrami, and even they are still decent. You're just a hater who doesn't know shit, brings up the stupidest arguments such as "he beat an old Aerts" when Aerts was 31-32 back then, and compares MMA striking to K-1 striking.
Imbecile
HugoTheSavant 3 months ago
@HugoTheSavant fedor should still be competing. he looked good against monson... in strikeforce he was just exposed to a better level of competition so he struggled to adapt. Hes got a lot of fight left in him.
imgonnadrinkcoke 3 months ago
@HugoTheSavant
Let me also add one more thing in case you try to bring up the whole "Shogun KO'd Overeem, JDS > Shogun, so JDS > K-1" rubbish. Overeem fought in K-1 very sporadically from 1999 to 2007, and he only began to compete regularly from 2008 onwards. His last loss to Rua was back in 2007, and there was a HUGE difference in Reem's striking once he began to dedicate A LOT more time to kickboxing (hence his regular competition). His K-1 record improved greatly after 2008, so...
K-1 >JDS.
HugoTheSavant 3 months ago
2 of the baddest brazilians in the world
denzel70 3 months ago
2:20 go to sleep shogun
206sole 4 months ago
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206sole 4 months ago
@MarcoGullible conditioning wasnt there ps jone jones can only hide from JDS for so long; that will be the day
Jeccidah 5 months ago
@Jeccidah More like Anderson Silva can only hide from Jon Jones for so long.
Jenkins1997 5 months ago
Shogun is so fluid and smooth with that leg-kick.
ThyChrysanthemum 5 months ago 2
@ThyChrysanthemum I was thinking the same thing. Shogun just flows with his strikes using all limbs, JDS's leg kicks look more forced and way less technical.
Jenkins1997 5 months ago
JDS is HUGE... man... I'd shit my pants if I saw that hunk in the cage with me. I've stood next to Shogun and felt small enough, JDS just owns it.
seaFoodSifu 5 months ago
this video kinda gave me false hope. i really thought that shgun was going to beat jon jones. He'll be back, he just proved that the first fight he had with forrest was a complete fluke
FFVII1992 5 months ago
to all those guys who want t say JONES DIS OR DAT TELL, WAT BIG NAMES HAS JONES FOUGHT (PLZ DNT SAY COZ WE ALL KNO HE WAS OUT OF CONDITION & AS BADLY CONDITIONED AS HE WAS, KEPT GETTIN UP; JONES CUDNT PUT SHOGUNS LIGHTS OUT).
Nw JDS on the other hand has put how many ppl 2 bed? lol plz do no match bones to JDS or try to say jones is athletic bla bla bla, if u cut the cage off from jones wat can jones do? jones has never been put in a corner.... & JDS hands r too quik for jones to set up anythn
Jeccidah 5 months ago
shogun flashy
Jeccidah 5 months ago
"And in a fight are known to kick with there legs" Russian has some smooth kicks.
JCYN602 6 months ago
2:58 is how you turn the session up a notch
ManKiIIer 6 months ago 19
ai wanna see JDS sparring with Lyoto Machida
jvrdlc 6 months ago
I love Shogun's Combos.
T0ASTYWAG1992 6 months ago 15
@T0ASTYWAG1992 flashy guy jus his whole style is fly
Jeccidah 5 months ago
yea hes to strong and weights alot more.
goofybastard89 6 months ago
junior is the best striker in the world
BillingsNorteno 6 months ago
@BillingsNorteno JDS is not even in top ten when it comes to pure stiking, maybe in mma. But not in the leagues of the likes Pacquiao, Maywather Jr, Klitschko brothers, Buakaw and Bonjasky the list goes on
ZePangsta 6 months ago
@ZePangsta bonjasky ???????? he punch like a little girl
TheBonkermen 6 months ago
@ZePangsta yea he would kill all those pukes idc wat u say
BillingsNorteno 6 months ago
@ZePangsta JDS is pretty much in the middle of those people considering the type of fighters he has fought. I agree with Buakaw and possibly Floyd. But the Bitchsko's are just lumbering bums. they havent fought any real competition who would actually bring them a fight.
Pacman is neither here or there. his offense is his only weapon. he would be easy to counter-strike if there was someone would could.
regardless, JDS is at least in the top 15 as far as striking.
SamuraixJack 6 months ago
this is a great spar
1994RTK 7 months ago
They have good nice controlled sparring. No one gets injured.
RVBOY2 7 months ago
at 2:20 shogun looks pissed and kicks a bit harder
polkikk1 7 months ago
Shogun is a fuckin beast
benny7 7 months ago
JDS would probably KO jon BONE jones. stronger around same height and better boxing
TheGrizzzle 7 months ago
I think shogun is definitely got a step up in technique. But dos santos got that gorilla killa power. I love how they actually spar instead of trying to hurt each other. Brilliant.
saskls8388 8 months ago
I see a lot of discussion about Jon Jones VS Dos Santos. Jones would most likely win. He's far more athletic than Junior, and would use his enormous reach to batter him.
glic7236 8 months ago
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J7G2006 7 months ago
@glic7236 bahahahahahahha get off jones lol hahahahahah lmao so why isnt jones in the HW chasin JDS lol nxt your gona tell me jones can beat up a wall lmao get outta here
Jeccidah 5 months ago
@Jeccidah
Jones will hopefully move to HW once he cleans the entire LHW division out. Notice how Shogun handles JDS in this video, and think about what Jones did to Shogun. Jones would easily defeat JDS. I think Cain would still beat Jones, but in time Jones can make it a good fight. I think Cain is the 2nd best HW ever behind Fedor.
glic7236 5 months ago
@glic7236 this was jus b4 the coleman fight, JDS has improved so much in these past 3yrs
Jeccidah 5 months ago
@Jeccidah
He's improved, but he's going to be exposed when he faces a "striker" instead of just a boxer in Cain Velasquez. Trust me, Cain will win.
glic7236 5 months ago
Damn, they really picked it up there for a while. Given Shogun's history with Chute Box though, I can see why.
travesham 8 months ago
@bduv21 you are entitled to your opinion; but 1 thing even you must admit: Shogun didn't look anything like his former self. Possibly the long lay-off in unison with his previous recurring injuries, and the plain fact that Jones is a highly skilled dangerous opponent too.
judaschongo 8 months ago
two of my favourites!
JDS`s striking is outstanding and shogun`s kicks are vicious...
omilio 8 months ago
junior is very very good. one of my favorites. he is throwing a fair amount of kicks during this sparring session. i wish he would do that in his fights.
6Fresh6Till6Death6 9 months ago
Its old.At the present time jds can whoop that ass.Sorry shogun...
ofsaf 9 months ago
most of MMA fans watch the sport for Pure violence and powerful strikes, they dont know that the most violent part stands on the ground, I love technique more than pure violence. But i am shure that all those trashtalker never took a lesson or are simply bad at their gym. I practice mma and all the fighters deserve recognition for what they have reached
llOoXxACExXoOllAS 9 months ago
@TheCorrigan93
Lol yeah it's so funny, literally like a day or two after I called it too
Gaskal1365 9 months ago
@TheCorrigan93 hahaha
theguybelowmefarted 9 months ago
no wonder machida got his ass handled 2
raff2112 9 months ago
Man I want to see JDS vs Shane Carwin, what an awesome fight that would be.
Gaskal1365 9 months ago
light sparring means you have to start off light but we all know that one guy will hit de other guy clean and he will want payback and light sparring turns into two guys trying to take each others head off
oxygenisbrill 9 months ago
@oxygenisbrill if your a retard and don't know how to parry and move
master4441 9 months ago
@master4441 wether you know how to parry and move or not everywan gets hit
oxygenisbrill 8 months ago
@oxygenisbrill If they suck
master4441 8 months ago
@oxygenisbrill and Im not saying i disagree. Im just saying you can avoid harder punches
master4441 8 months ago
shogun better work on his conditioning cause after the year off hes gonna be a shitty fighter.
ghns1133 10 months ago
The fastest strikers in both weightclasses
applejacktheripper 10 months ago
Idk if any shogun kick can be " light"
applejacktheripper 10 months ago
@applejacktheripper he even kix in his sleep lol
Jeccidah 5 months ago
Junior has control but shogun got a little carried away with the leg kicks.
breeeee100 10 months ago
@breeeee100 Yeah it really seems JDS is keeping it light. Easy to get carried away in sparring though...we've all been there haha
achillez88 10 months ago
ik its sparring but dos santos lost,if it was a real full blast fight dos santos would win but from what i saw here shogun just killed him with kicks
dsettleascii 10 months ago
JDS would destroy Jon Jones...!!!!!!!! =D
gundam2388 10 months ago 28
@gundam2388 JDS is a HW...Jon Jones is a LHW....
racingmylife15 8 months ago
@racingmylife15 if he would move up to HW..then JDS will destroy him!!
gundam2388 8 months ago
@racingmylife15
no shit sherlock.
TheTriangularSquare 8 months ago
@racingmylife15 jon nigger jones is a pussy. He's a natural hw, but is too afraid to fight at HW, because he knows he'll get fucked up. Nigger probably starves himself like his family in africa. No fried chicken for the monkey,
Ockap1812 5 months ago
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@racingmylife15 jon nigger jones is a pussy. He's a natural hw, but is too afraid to fight at HW, because he knows he'll get fucked up. Nigger probably starves himself like his family in africa. No fried chicken for the monkey,
Ockap1812 5 months ago
@gundam2388 no shit
rsbdalycity 8 months ago
@gundam2388 probably cause JDS is a heavyweight...
22rperez 7 months ago 21
@22rperez so is bones, he just scared to go to heavyweight right now.
J7G2006 6 months ago
@J7G2006 ... or he's LHW champ right now...
haters..
ManKiIIer 6 months ago
@ManKiIIer I'm not hating, he's super good & a beast, its just funny how rashad & vera are smaller but started off heavyweights. Jones prolly the biggest lhw in the the top 10. JDS is the same size with less reach but for some reason JDS looks smaller haha. He not scared but hes a big wrestling bully in lhw but its cool, hopefully one day he steps up to hw & he'll get a real challenge if no one stops him.
J7G2006 6 months ago
@22rperez JJones comes in 10lb lighter then JDS on fight night...
FazKOkid 6 months ago
@22rperez JDS has been fighting HW since he was 22, give him his credit, jones is 24 fighting in LW lol JDS is PRO jon johns is weak
Jeccidah 5 months ago
@gundam2388 no shit !!!!!!!!=D JDS IZ HW
chazzl3 7 months ago
they have same smile ?
chazzl3 7 months ago
@gundam2388 oh shit lmao im a dumb ass i thot it sed shogun lmao but yeah i think jds wud fuck jones up XD
chazzl3 7 months ago
@gundam2388 the diffrence between JDS & jones is that JDS walked straight to the HW with no fear, werby jones decided to stay bc in the LW division lol props to jds
Jeccidah 5 months ago
I would def. not want to meet anyone of these guys in a dark alley....
freakman707 10 months ago
Se entra a sequência dos 3:00 min. numa luta de verdade, era lona pro Shogun!
WAR Cigano!!!!
RodericKMFA 10 months ago
Two brilliant fighters, and top class athletes in action. Great to see.
warriorprince1010 10 months ago
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muay thai vs boxing
FootballFanatic141 10 months ago
@bduv21 Shogun was outta shape and just comin off an injury, otherwise Shogun would've killed Jones
shadow2002 11 months ago
@andyb2389
I thought the same thing.. The flying knee and high kick in round one gassed shogun.. He'll be back stronger than ever and will reclaim his title. WAR SHOGUN!
SkyrimOwns 11 months ago
looks fun, im gettin back in the octagon
darkNovaskar 11 months ago
Nice flow.
COMBATSENTE 11 months ago
nice sparring!
agostinho1234 11 months ago
3:00 to 3:05 felt some sparks there hahahaha , my 2 fav fighters
Larztt 11 months ago
he must be training for jones.he is ggod skilled that rua,probably knockout some heavy weights,they may be stronger but he would
tigerbeast777 11 months ago
Nice vid, thanks. Keep 'em coming.
devildawgg67 11 months ago
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Fedor was caught sleeping with female newsreporters from strikeforce thats and was caught on tape when girl kissed him.
That angered his wife and his having trouble in his marriage, thats why he is losing lately cause hes not concentrated on fights
gelira123 11 months ago
1:15 was that ernesto hoost?
Turk3YbAstEr 11 months ago
ufc is a reality show SCAM!
what a complete waste of time & talent for Shogun to be fighting under this bogus "unified rules" format promulgated by Vana white, marc RATner, ufc & their little cronies in these corrupt commissions Stateside.
Jon Jones should be thanking his lucky stars to be fighting Shogun with half his arsenal deemed illegal.
ufc is NOT MMA!
judaschongo 11 months ago 6
@judaschongo
you have to understand that the UFC MMA wouldn't have been legalized nationwide hadn't they kept those rules
sdeevooo 11 months ago
@sdeevooo
MMA was legal in the states during the Pride days, except for New York and one or two others.
SkyrimOwns 11 months ago
@SkyrimOwns
i never talked about mma being illegal in the states?
sdeevooo 11 months ago
@sdeevooo
'You have to understand that the UFC MMA rules wouldn't have been legalized nationwide hadn't they kept those rules'
Also, there was a Pride event in the states, using non UFC rules, with stomping, soccerkicks but oh, no elbows to a grounded opponent. UFC rules are bullshit and you know it. Elbows rarely ever cause knockouts but ALWAYS cause cuts which may cause doctor stoppages.
SkyrimOwns 11 months ago
@SkyrimOwns
let me put it in simply language since you have trouble understanding. Had they taken off the rules that made stomping illegal from the UFC, which they couldn't legalize to begin with. UFC wouldn't have been approved. What state are you from by the way
sdeevooo 11 months ago
@sdeevooo
I didn't need you to throw all of your grammar out of the window for that comment. I can read. But hey, if you're too retarded to realise there where pride shows in the states, then I feel sorry for you and I don't want to argue with a retard. Cya.
SkyrimOwns 11 months ago
@SkyrimOwns
butthurt
sdeevooo 11 months ago
@sdeevooo
That's painful stuff coming from a 12 year old with severe mental retardation and an inability to understand basic English.. Learn to read you faggot, and grow the fuck up.
SkyrimOwns 11 months ago
@sdeevooo in simply language?
IBOOZLOTZ9919 11 months ago
@IBOOZLOTZ9919
google "typo". You'll learn something new today
sdeevooo 11 months ago
@sdeevooo haha all im saying is if youre going to try to be a smart guy atleast make sure everything is correct
IBOOZLOTZ9919 11 months ago
@IBOOZLOTZ9919
actually i dumbed myself down to his level. i had to pay the price you see :D
sdeevooo 11 months ago
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IBOOZLOTZ9919 11 months ago
@sdeevooo haha i believe it was unnecessary but i guess you did what you had to do
IBOOZLOTZ9919 11 months ago
@judaschongo
Dana white doesn't make the decision you dumbnut
the athletic commission does
Proudtobefilipino033 8 months ago
@Proudtobefilipino033 Vana white has had a big part in promulgating this little SCAM here Stateside called "unified rules"!
International Rules: 10min 1st rd., 4point attacks etc. over unified rules any day!
judaschongo 8 months ago
@judaschongo
ufc is mma the end
pettibone311 8 months ago
@pettibone311 ufc is a watered down version of MMA!
judaschongo 8 months ago
@judaschongo
jon jones, shogun, couture, machida, gsp, and millions of fans would completely disagree with your opinion.
ufc is mma the end.
pettibone311 8 months ago
@judaschongo soccer kicks and stomps tot he head wuld not have stopped him from losing. if u see the fight he wulda never got the oppurtunity. even under pride rules.
vespaman101 8 months ago
@vespaman101 your absolutely correct in this instance; Shogun looked terrible in all honesty. Could of been the long lay off coupled with his recurring injuries? and that's not taking anything away from Jones who's highly skilled & dangerous. But you can't help but think that Shogun didn't help his own cause; he simply was not there; and is capable of so much more.
judaschongo 8 months ago
@judaschongo yeah i still think he wuld have lost tho to be honest. Even if he was healthy. Once jones put the fight ont he ground it wuld be same old same old. shoguns bjj is good but jones wuld be hard for even the best to submit.
vespaman101 8 months ago
@judaschongo im a shogun fan but sorry to say, knee and stomps to the face of a grounded opponent wouldn't have helped shogun, it probably would have just enabled bones to decimated shogun even more.
DcN51791 8 months ago
@DcN51791 I agree with you statement! but doesn't change the fact that Shogun gassed early and didn't help his own cause. Simply put, it was a terrible performance; and he is capable of so much more.
judaschongo 8 months ago
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J7G2006 7 months ago
@J7G2006 Hey man, Im a Jones Hater and a Shogun lover, but it didnt matter if that fight was in a ring, cage, or a high school football field. Shogun got outclassed from the first few seconds when that flying knee hit him to the end where he wobbled to the end of the cage and got dropped. Shogun was getting fucking rocked on the feet and on the ground. He looked gassed after the first round. But I agree with you, the Lay and praying is getting old, but jones is far from that.
DcN51791 7 months ago
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J7G2006 7 months ago
@judaschongo Your points are valid from a purist fan's point of view. But Dana and UFC is also a business. We all wish UFC was like the original UFC 1, 2, and 3, or like Pride, but in order for MMA to make it with the general American public and the politicians, it has to be watered down. The opposition still consists of old school guys who characterize MMA as "human cock fighting," which forces people like Dana to play up MMA as a legit looking sport that's safe and humane.
FlexWheeler2nd 7 months ago
@judaschongo UFC MADE MMA WHAT IT IS TODAY ARE YOU STUPID OR WHAT ?
TeMpOuK1 7 months ago
@TeMpOuK1 It is really the Gracies who made MMA what it is. The Gracie's invented UFC (original) and Pride FC. Not sure if you knew that or not. New UFC rules are not for me. Too much advantage for wrestlers. I think soccer kicks should be allowed to give strikers a chance over wrestlers. At least soccer kicks to the body.
Polarcupcheck 6 months ago
@Polarcupcheck Think About It Dude...Strikers Already Have The Biggest Advantage Over Any Style Of Fighter, They Can End A Fight In 1 Or 2 Hits. Submission Fighters Can End The Fight With A Few Quick Moves Too. If UFC's Rules Weren't The Way They Are Wrestlers Would Have No Chance Vs. Strikers And Submission Fighters.
Wrestlers Have To Do The Most Work To Win A Fight: If They Can Avoid Getting KOed Or Submitted, Score Takedowns, Control The Fight, And Score Some Strikes They Deserve To Win.
07liberian 5 months ago
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J7G2006 7 months ago
@sunnymunch id give that to aldo but shogun has better hands and ground either way BRASIL!
maocapoeira 11 months ago
..Shogun is clearly the better striker of the 2, but JDS probably has more power.
Dungarth 11 months ago
even in light sparring, I wouldn't wanna get kicked by Rua....
kai0shin 1 year ago
@kai0shin lmao
maocapoeira 11 months ago
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V1N1V2 9 months ago
best hw,and best lhw in the cage,SHOGUN,DOS SANTOS,BIG NOG,WANDY,PALHARES,MAIA,ROGER GRACIE,MOUSASI,JACARE,FEDOR, favourite fighters=)
fedorwand 1 year ago
ai o shogun peida!!!
torço pra ele pq é brasileiro mas... achu q esse cinturão vai pro jones
cesartorsil 1 year ago
If I had to pick, I'd say that Shogun would win more than 5 fights out of 10 against Dos Santos. Dos Santos is incredible but Shogun is unreal.
zkandinawia 1 year ago
shogun's movement is fantastic
portypete11 1 year ago
i bet jds legs were sore the next day
reiseufc131191 1 year ago
pause at 4:10
ihatebobsaget1989 1 year ago
"cigano" translated for those who doesn't know: Gipsy
capiti1234 1 year ago